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LSD:A Shortcut to False Samadhi

Acharya Rajneesh

Compilation by:Ma Yoga Laxmi

Edited by:Dolly Diddee

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An interview with Acharya Rajneesh

by Ma Ananda Prem

Instructor, Sivananda Ashram, New York, U. S. A.

on 25th. October 1970, Bombay (India)

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LSD: A Short Cut to FalseSamadhi

Ma Ananda Prem: Acharayaji, before asking aquestion I would like to tell you my experience inmeditation with special reference to controlledLSD-experimentation I underwent.

In New York I used to study psycho-analysis.As a result of that, I became a subject in aGovernment sponsored experiment to study theeffects of LSD. In this experiment, I was givenseven small doses of LSD, over a period of twoyears, in a controlled situation. I had learnedhow to use it to awaken the Kundalini and bringmeditation.

Three times I had a certain experience,which I am sure was Samadhi - of the varietywith seed, in the sixth body, where I became thewhole existence. I would like to describe theexperience to you to get your opinion on whetheror not what I experienced was true cosmicconsciousness.

I sat in a meditative asana, after taking thedrug, and meditated. Shortly, thereafter, theKundalini began coming up the Sushumna fromthe Muladhara. I concentrated on Agna Chakra,and all the energy flowed there. From Agna,some flowed down to Anahat, releasing varioustension knots there. All was very blissful.

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I was aware of four colours: the coloursaffron, like my clothes, was the main one, and Iseemed to be enveloped in it. This was mixedwith a yellow colour. Under the yellow was white,still more subtle. And beyond the saffron,without, was a deep blue. Everything seemed tobe mainly saffron though.

Suddenly, the Kundalini shot up the spine,very fast and powerful, and there was anexplosion in the Agna Chakra. As a result of this,I felt that I became the whole existence, and wasone with everything. Or rather, that I haddissolved completely, and the universe, was allthere was. This I experienced with completeawareness and clarity such as I never hadbefore.

This state was completely desireless, as allthe cravings and desires had melted away. Thefeeling was one of perfect harmony. There wasnothing to be desired, as everything was thereinone vast present. It was as if a fog had lifted, andthat the curtain of subjectivity called ego, thatusually coloured my view of the outer reality,(thus separating me from it), was no longerthere. All barriers and separateness between theinner and the outer were gone.

At that point, I stopped meditating because itfelt as if I had reached the end of meditation andof bliss. It was thus no longer possible tomeditate. My spine seemed melted down to zerotension level. Everything was perfect love, so

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there was no longer any craving for love. For thefirst time, love was not the result of any egoneed, as I had no desires or needs any longer. Allcreation seemed to be a joyous, blissful light-hearted prank. It seemed as if the creationwanted to have fun with itself through itsmultitudes of energy atoms.

I then got up and walked about, but thoughmy body was walking, it was very clear that I wasnot the body but the universe. The body seemedto move in front of me and all identity with it wasgone.

I remained this way some twelve hoursduring each of the three experiences. Then thebody tensions returned, drawing me back to myformer way. However, I had a lot of Kundaliniand very blissful meditation for two months aftereach experiment, such as I have never gottenwith any yoga practice. When I do yoga and theusual meditation, it feels as if these practices aretaking me in the same direction as these LSDexperiences. I see no difference. Also, theseexperiences seem to match all descriptions ofSamadhi with seed, or the Jivanmukta state,that I have ever read.

My questions then are:

1. In your opinion was the experiencegenuine Samadhi, as I feel it was? If not,how does genuine Samadhi at the sixth

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body level differ, other than it beingpermanent?

2. Is there any harm in occasionally usingLSD only for spiritual purposes, in acontrolled situation, to help meditation?

3. Is permanent self-realization possible withthe help of a chemical like LSD?

4. What do the colours mean?

Acharya Rajneesh: It was not genuine. It wasnot Samadhi, but a chemical change. The mindcan project anything it likes to project - even anunconscious desire of Samadhi! So whatsoeveryou have known about Samadhi and have readabout it, will be projected through the chemicalhelp of LSD. LSD or any other chemical drug isnothing but a help to make the mind moreprojective. All the hindrances, all the ordinaryhindrances are withdrawn. The ordinary reasonand conscious mind are withdrawn. You arecompletely in the hold of the unconscious. Butthe unconscious itself will not bring Samadhithrough LSD. It can only be possible, if theunconscious has been fed with conceptions,colours and vital experiences. Everything thathas been put into it can be projected.

If you have not known anything aboutKundalini, it is impossible to feel it through LSD.A person who is suffering from any Phobia willproject his phobia. A person who is under somesuppressed fear will feel the actual phenomenonto take place. So LSD will bring differentexperiences to different persons.

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LSD can only be a help to project whatsoeveris in the seed form of your unconscious mind. Ifit is love, then love will be projected - if it ishatred, then hatred will be projected. LSD is anexpanding drug; whatsoever is in the seed formwill be expanded into a tree. You could feelKundalini, you could feel Chakras, and youcould feel harmony or the totality, only becausethese are the seeds already in your unconsciousmind. If they are not there, then LSD will notproject these.

The projection is because of LSD, but this isnot Samadhi. Samadhi comes from yourunconscious longing. If you have longed for itthen LSD will help you. LSD can be a help toanything unconscious, to be psychically realised,but it is not a spiritual revelation. What you haveseen is something which you wanted to realize,projected on the psychic canvas, so it is notSamadhi and it is not genuine. It is neither; andit is nothing else than dreaming. It is just adreaming phenomenon.

In the night you dream because theconscious barriers are withdrawn. So whateverin your mind is suppressed, desired, longed for,begins to take shape and form and begins to beimagined. But when you are in a dream, younever know that it is a dream. It is so lifelike, itis so real. It seems so authentically real, that youcan never conceive within a dream that you aredreaming. LSD is a chemical way of dreaming. It

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is not a natural way of dreaming, but a chemicalway of dreaming.

So you can see things which you have neverseen, know things that you have not known,realise things that you have never realised. Butall these realisations are only apparentrealisations. They are not real. They arebeautiful; they have their own charm, just likenice dreams. But LSD can project a nightmarealso. It depends on you, not on LSD. If yourmind is hallucinating and is suffering from someuntoward images, these will be projected. Sothere are persons who have seen hell in theirLSD trip, and there are persons who have seendemons. It depends on persons. All that chemicaldrugs can do is to project whatsoever is there tobe projected.

So do not mistake it for samadhi and do notcling to such experiences, otherwise they will beobstructions in meditation. You have felt somuch in LSD dreams that, when you go in realmeditation it is faint. It is not so vital that thefeeling is not of such a great upsurge. Comparedto your dream experiences meditation will lookfaint. This will create a depressive mood. You willfeel something is being lost. You have knownsomething and this something is not comingthrough meditation. Then the mind will say,“LSD is better”. And if you go on taking LSD yourmind will become less and less meditative. Andmeditation and its experiences will go on

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becoming fainter and fainter. So don't take LSDagain.

Ma A. P.: It was just an experiment.

Acharya Rajneesh: Yes it was, but it has madean impact on your mind. And the impact isdangerous because you will always becomparing. The comparison will always be there.The real meditation will seem unreal becauseunreal has appeared to you as authentic.

Ma A. P.: I can't find the real difference?

Acharya Rajneesh: There are so many things.First, the comparison can never be accurate. Itcan never be right; because what you have seenin your LSD trip you cannot remember exactlywhen you are awakened. You cannot remember adream exactly when you are out of your dream.The dream is again imagined. You add much toit. It is not the same; because when you are outof LSD, you cannot remember it exactly as itwas. Only a faint feeling of blissfulness will bethere. And now you will imagine the wholeexperience again. This is not exactly theexperience that it was. It can never be. You havea feeling that you have known something. Thatfeeling is illusory and you will again imaginewhat you have seen, what you have known in theexperience itself. But there will be a blissfulness,because of revelation through the chemicaldrugs.

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You are totally relaxed. Your tensions at thatmoment are withdrawn. They are not non-existential; they are awaiting you to come back.But they are not in focus, so you are relaxedtotally. The revelation is so great; you will have ablissful feeling afterwards. You will feel it. Thehangover bliss will be there. In this bliss you willimagine again what you have seen, what youhave known.

Now this is all imaginary - 90% of it will beimagination and the greater the distancebetween the experience and the remembrance,the more beautiful, the more blissful, it will lookto you. It will become a cherished memory. Noweach time in meditation you will compare it.Meditation will be a faint thing in comparisonbecause it is real. It is not a dreamland. Theprogress is step by step. It is not so sudden. Itwill never overtake you. You will always beprepared in-between, and the progress is veryslow. It will seem slow because now in the realworld, there is time; but in LSD experiences or inordinary dreams, there is no such time, as itexists in our waking hours. So you can dream ina single moment, a dream that will take yearstogether in reality to pass. So in LSD, the thingis sudden. It is so sudden that it overwhelmsyou. It shatters your total memory. All thetensions are non-existential for the moment. Youare relaxed and the cosmic harmony is felt. Thebarriers are not there. You do not exist as an I;and the world and you have become one. This isso sudden and blissful that you will have a

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cherished memory of it afterwards. And you willgo on adding to it each time you compare it withreality. It will become more and more beautiful,and the reality will become fainter. So don'tcompare it.

Firstly, you cannot compare it, because youare in two states of mind and the memory cannotbe brought from one state to another. It cannotbe brought. Only faint remembrances are there.Secondly, when you compare retro-spectively, itis the same mind which has projected theseexperiences of LSD, the same unconscious mind,the same medium. You have taken LSD and youare meditating. All the time the unconsciousseeds are there which you can project in yourmeditation. The second thing to be rememberedis, don't conceive any pre-formulated, ready-made conceptions. What is to be the result?Don't think about it. To go in meditation is to goin an uncharted sea. You can’t know beforehandwhat is going to happen, and if you know alreadywhat is going to happen, it will begin to happen;and it will still be a projection.

You can project in LSD. You can project inmeditation also, because the unconscious is theprojector. So all the knowledge about Kundalini,all the knowledge of Chakras, all the knowledgethat you have of knowing must be thrown out;because your ordinary mind can also project it.When you are meditating, you can project thesame thing. The process will be slow becausethere is no chemical help. It will take longer

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time but the phenomena is the same. I am notsaying that kundalini is not. I am not saying thatchakras are not. I am not saying that there areno experiences. There are, but you must notknow beforehand, otherwise you will projectthem.

You must be completely unknowing. Youmust be ignorant. There’s a basic condition toproceed further, you must not know beforehand.Each thing must be known directly, must beexperienced, not taken for granted. Informationshould not be made knowledge. So throw awayall information. Cease to know things andproceed as a vacuum. Proceed in ignorance - youdon't know. So everything will be a surprise,everything must be a surprise. If it is not asurprise then you say, “Yes, I have known it, thishas happened before.”

There is a great possibility of self-delusion,for the mind is deceptive. And the unconsciousgoes on playing tricks! It is not only in LSD thatthe deception is possible, even in ordinarymeditation, the deception is possible. Theunconscious is the same. You must change it.You must make it vacant. It must not be aknowing unconscious. It must be openlyvulnerable, ready to face the unknown.Meditation is going into the unknown. So youneed a purge, you need a cleansing, you need acomplete overhaul.

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The unconscious must be cleaned. It mustnot be pre-burdened - it must not have seeds.Sabeej Samadhi is a Samadhi with seeds. ASamadhi with seeds means a Samadhi with yourprojections. It is not a Samadhi at all. It is just aname-sake. There is another term - NirbeejSamadhi, a Samadhi which is seedless. Only aseedless Samadhi is Samadhi, which is authenticbecause there is nothing to be projected. It is notthat you are projecting - something has come toyou. You have encountered something. You haveknown something new, completely fresh,absolutely unknown before, not even imagined;because whatsoever you can imagine you canproject.

So knowledge is a hindrance in Samadhi anda person who is a 'knowing-person', can neverreach Samadhi. You must not go burdened withknowledge. You must reach the door of Samadhicompletely empty handed, naked, vacant, onlythen the authentic thing happens. Otherwise,you are meditating with the projections. Youhave been projecting in meditation, and you havebeen projecting in your LSD experiences. Bothare projections.

You must unburden yourself. You mustunderstand this. Forget all that you have known.Don't conceive Samadhi in any way. Do notconceive, do not conceptualize, just go like achild in an unknown country. The language isnot known, there is no one acquainted,everything is new and you have no guide book

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with you. Only in this way things will begin tohappen, which are authentic. Otherwise this willtake a long time, and you will go on, encirclingyourself and the projection will go on. In this wayLSD will be more forceful. LSD will be more vital.LSD will be an experience and meditation will besomething faint compared to it. But if youunburden your knowledge, forget all thesenames - 'Kundalini', 'Chakras', etc., everything,put it aside and proceed just like a child, onlythen meditation will happen. Otherwisemeditation too will be imaginary and a dream.

The difference is very subtle. It is reallydifficult to know what the difference is, althoughthere is a difference. But one thing could beunderstood correctly and that is, if things arehappening according to your knowledge, thenyou must not take them seriously; because theycan never happen according to your knowledge.They happen to each individual so differently,that no scripture, no ‘Guru', can exactly saywhat will happen. Everything that is being saidis just a generalization. To no one it happensexactly like that. The seven Chakras or the‘Kundalini' or the passage, are so different, thatthey are bound to be different in each individual.So, if things are happening according to apattern, you must not take them seriously. Youare imagining. Things will be different for you.They will never be the same to anyone else. Thehappening is individual and there are nogeneralizations.

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Everybody's experiences are different andincomparable, and all these things which arebeing said are generalizations. Generalizationsnever happen. We are twenty persons here. Wecan calculate the average age of all here, but noone will be exactly of that age. Average is a myth.It is a generalization. We can have the averageheight; but no one will correspond exactly withit. We can have average knowledge, but no onemay possess it. All the generalizations aremyths. They help to formulate things but theydon't help to be life-springs. They help to makesystems, they help to make scriptures, and theyhelp to make maps. But you can never take amap as a country. You must not. You must haveseen the map of India; but nowhere in India willyou find it. The map is there, with itsformulation. When you enter India, you willnever encounter it. It is just a generalization - ithelps formulation, but it never helps experience.Rather, it becomes obstructive. So knowledgecan be gathered without knowing that knowledgeis dangerous. If it is concerned with outwardinformation, it is all right, it makes no difference;but if it is inner experience, it makes a lot ofdifference. Because the mind projects. It makes alot of difference.

So you begin your meditation as if you havenever heard anything about ‘kundalini', ‘Chakras' - just be without this information.Make it a point - a first condition to entermeditation - that you are not supposinganything, that you do not know anything, that

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you are ready and open to anything thathappens. You have nothing to compare. First,your information (your preconceived ideas) mustgo. You must not cling to them. If you do notcling to them they will go - die. The seed will die.It will burn. But if you cling to it, it will seem likeknowledge, it will seem as a help, it will seem asa guide. So don't cling to them and they willbecome redundant. Then it will not be a livingseed. It will not project itself.

Secondly, forget your LSD experiences asdreams, otherwise they will be coming betweenyou and your meditation and comparison will goon. That comparison will be suicidal. It must notbe compared, otherwise meditation will cease;and you will lean over to LSD. Any chemical helpcan only create psychic phenomena. It can neverbe an authentic realization. Realisation issomething to which you have happened.Realisation is not something which hashappened to you. Realisation is something inwhich you have jumped. It is not that somethinghas penetrated into you.

In LSD you go nowhere; you are just whereyou were. Something happens to you because ofchemical changes; because your ordinary mindis not functioning. It has been de-functioned.The ordinary reasoning, the ordinary checks arenumbed. They are put off and the unconscious isput on. This has been done through a chemicalagent. You are not the controller but thechemical agent is the controller. You are under

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its influence. You are not a free agent - now LSDis free in you and LSD will work something inyou. It is not that you are working, but you arebeing worked upon and something will happen toyou - not that you have happened to something.Realisation means you have happened tosomething - you have jumped, you haveencountered, you have gone! You are not whereyou were. You have changed. This change is aconscious change, with full awareness; and thechange is your effort. Because you have done it,you have traveled, you have gone to some peak,you can be on the Everest. There are two ways:

1. That you are on the Everest but you willbe in your bed. You have gone nowhere;and

2. You can go and the very going is thechange.

The very struggle to go upward will changeyou and the peak will not only be a peak ofEverest; but will also be a peak of your efforts.When you have reached the Everest, you havereached the Everest of your will power. In yourdreams you have gone nowhere, you exist in thesame state, in the same time, only somethinghas happened to you. A dream has come to you.This dream can come in two ways - you cancreate it through LSD. That is why they looksimilar. Both ways you are creating it. Theunconscious must not be a burden - theunconscious with seeds, with projections, withlongings. Only then meditation is possible.

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Another difference: when you have takenLSD, your conscious mind has gone to sleep andyour unconscious mind begins to work over you.But in meditation, your unconscious is notasleep; rather your conscious is expanding andmaking your unconscious also conscious. Thelight of the conscious is going into theunconscious, and a time comes when your wholemind is one. Then meditation has happened. Butin LSD the conscious goes to sleep and yourunconscious takes charge of you.

Ma A.P.: What do the colours and their sequencemean?

Acharya Rajneesh: They have some meaningbut the order is always different for eachindividual. The order is never the same. But theydo have meaning. Colours, perfumes, sounds -everything has a meaning. The first thing that isto be noticed is, the moment you go deepinwards, your each sense has got acorresponding inner organ. We have got an outersense just like eyes. They see what is without;but when we close our eyes they can see what iswithin. Every outward experience is storedinward also. The essence of it is stored.

So all your senses have reservoirs ofexperience in your mind. When you travelinwards, these reservoirs will be met. When youcome to the reservoir of colours, you will seebeautiful colours which you have never seen withyour eyes. But these are essences of all the past

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experiences - just like a painter painting abeautiful woman. This is not any particularwoman. He has seen so many women. This is theessence of them all. All that he has seen, all thathe has known, is being depicted in this onefigure. Something is from somewhere andsomething is from somewhere else. Thisparticular figure is nowhere to be met. It is notimaginary and yet, it is nowhere to be found. It isauthentic because it has been taken fromexperiences and yet, it is just an image. It is realand unreal both.

Our senses have stored all the experiences,not only of this life, but of all the lives that havebeen lived. These are certain essences in us. Theeyes have stored colours, light, etc. Ears havestored sounds, harmonies, silences, etc. All theessences have their store-rooms. Now evenScience confirms this. They say that if you cantouch a particular brain cell with an electrode,then that particular brain cell will explode. Aperson falling down may see stars. The shockmay create stars, if particular brain cells whichstore light-experiences are being touched. Withan electrode, your memories can be touched. Ifwith an electrode I touch a cell which conservesyour memory of childhood, you will again becomea child and everything will be replayed on thecanvas of the mind.

So when you go inwards, these essentialessences will explode; and you will know manythings which are unknown in such sure form in

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the outward world. Outward world is alwaysimpure with substances, but the inward experie-nces are pure essences. There is no impurity ofmatter. They are just electrical phenomena. Asphenomenon is just energy, it is pure, andnothing obstructs it. It is transparent. Don't takethese experiences seriously. They are onlymeaningful as indications that you are goingdeep down. But it is only the way, it is not thedestination. When you really reach deep down,and in, there will be no experiences - neither oflight, nor of sound, nor of anything. Unless allthese experiences cease, you cannot transcendthe mind. It is the psyche which is displaying itsexperiences, conserved through endless lives. Sofirst, each person will feel different thingsbecause each one is differently oriented, as faras his senses are concerned.

Just two days back someone came, who hadno sense of taste; had never known what tastemeans, so he cannot feel in his innerexperiences any feeling of taste. There arepersons who are blind, or colour-blind. Oneperson in twelve is colour-blind. A colour-blindperson means he cannot see a particular colour.He sees everything else but only a particularcolour is not seen by him. Bernard Shaw couldnot see yellow. He could not make any diffe-rence between yellow and green. So he wascolour blind as far as yellow was concerned. Hecould never see yellow in his inner experiences.There was no reservoir of yellow colour. Therewas no essence of yellow. He had never seen it.

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To him it was non-existential. We do not see allthe colours. These seven colours are not all thecolours. We see only up to these seven colours.Beyond them, we are colour-blind. Below theseseven and beyond these seven, there are infiniteranges of colours. We have not seen them, so wewill not feel them in our inward journey;because all that is felt in the store-room, is ofthe without. So, if a musician goes inmeditation, he will know sounds which we canever know. A painter will know colours, whichwe can never know. If Van Gogh goes intomeditation, we cannot conceive what colours hewill see, what new combinations he will know!So this too will differ from individual toindividual. There can be no order. One thing iscertain, when you go deep down in your innerpath, things will begin to happen. You will haveexperiences of colours, sound, perfumes, smells.These are all stored experiences. The wholemind is a storehouse. Every cell is a bundle ofexperiences ready to explode. Go on, touch itand it will explode! This is meaningful as far asit indicates inwardness. But it will become ahindrance if you cling to it. As the feeling islovely, the mind will long to cling to it, to repeatit. Then it will be a hindrance to furtherprogress.

A state of mind is to be reached where thereis no experience. Rather you say - state of mindwith no experience; or you can say - a state ofmind with experience of nothingness.Experience itself is the last barrier. One must

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come to the point where one IS, and there is noexperience. Experience has ceased. Only whenexperience has ceased, duality ceases. Whenyou are experiencing something, duality isthere. You are there, so the experience is there.Something without is there. Even if youexperience oneness with the world, thisexperience is duality.

So in meditation, there will be noexperiences. When meditation takes its fullflowering, there will be no experience at all.YOU WILL BE - and just being is the experience.Nothing is, except just your being - your exis-tence only. And when the experience is not, theexperiencer explodes; because it can exist onlyas a second polarity to experience. When theobject is not, the subject explodes itself. Thereis no subject, no object. Only then theexistential is achieved - only then you can sayGod IS. You are not, and the World is not - GODIS. The very ISNESS is God. So theseexperiences will come, they will come.

Ma A. P.: Acharyaji, I am trying yogicmeditation since a long time, but I am notgetting any clear and basic result. What iswrong with me?

Acharya Rajneesh: There can be so manyreasons. The method used is somewhere wrong;or the way in which it is used is wrong; orneither method, nor the way is wrong, but theunconscious longing behind the method is

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wrong. The unconscious must be changed. Ifyou have been using the method for so manyyears and only getting shallow results, changethe method. There are so many methods - oneshould not cling to one method only. May be themethod is not wrong but just not right for you.The method may be all right, but it is not foryou. As far as you are concerned, it may bewrong.

So change the method. Change is alwayshelpful. Sometimes one becomes accustomed tothe method, and then the experiences will beshallow. Sometimes we become conditioned to amethod, and it becomes a shallow affair. Wherenothing is new, you go on repeating it as aroutine. When it becomes a routine, you willnever achieve anything through it. When amethod becomes a routine, nothing significantcan be achieved. So what I have to say is: if youuse this method, the method itself is such that itcan never become a routine. It is so disorderlyand chaotic, that you can never make it aroutine.

All those methods which have disciplinedand orderly systems behind them always becomeroutine. You must use a chaotic method, so thatyou are never settled in it. It always remainssomething new, something new to be faced eachday. So the method I have been talking to youabout will help you. It is chaotic. And for themodern mind, no disciplined method can behelpful. For the modern mind is basically

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chaotic. It is basically a change in pattern. Theold mind was a non-changing, fixed mind. Aperson was always settled. Today nothing issettled. Two centuries ago a person born aChristian, would die a Christian. Today it is notso. A person born a Christian may become aHindu. Everything becomes chaotic. Hischildhood mind is something else, his youngmind something else. He may become acommunist and then some day, he may come tothe Himalayas to meditate.

Today's mind is a mind which is not fixed. Itis in chaos. So all old methods which were meantfor the fixed minds are out of date. For thechaotic mind a chaotic method is needed. Onlythen, it can lead to deeper realms. Otherwise theresults are bound to be shallow. Once it becomessettled, we will be bored with it. And if you go onprolonging it, it is suicidal. Don’t prolong it. Method is for you. You are not for the method –change it.

Ma A.P.: Acharyaji, then I should use only thismethod for my Sadhana?

Acharya Rajneesh: Yes, you use this methodand awareness of breathing. And in a very shortperiod you will feel the change. But you need achaotic method which should not become aroutine.