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Sammy HossainWhy should Muslims return to the Qur'an Alone without the Sunnah
October 30 at 3:33am ·
Lol are you guys serious? O man you fools are just hilarious. Jump on the band wagon with the
retarded atheists. You wanna return to Islam alone without the sunnah whereas in the Quran it
clearly mentions that it is Nabi (saw) who will explain the Quran to us. Honestly, if you don't like
Islam then feel free to leave cuz Islam isn't great due to your presence.
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Khidr Amari PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER
ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
October 30 at 3:34am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Put your proof where your mouth is
October 30 at 3:34am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Its obvious you don't like the Qur'an.
October 30 at 3:34am · Like · 4
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Khidr Amari I see you study so it shouldn't take you no time to validate the
outside books called Hadith and Sunnah right?
October 30 at 3:35am · Like · 1
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Sammy Hossain Unlike you buddy I don't have everything ready to be copy and
pasted so please do allow me to my time. Thank you. (Can't say jazakAllahu
Khairan cuz its not in the Quran)
October 30 at 3:38am via mobile · Like · 3
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain don't be mad because I do what Allah ask of us to
verify Surah 17/36
October 30 at 3:47am · Like · 2
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Sammy Hossain 1) Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. (Not sure which ayah
but its there, believe me I'm a Haafizul Quran Alhamdulillah)
2) Surah Baqarah ayah 151. Clearly mentions that the Messenger will teach you
(which will lead to guidance)
3)/4) last ayah of surah Fath juz 26
Don't tell me I don't love the Quran. I've got the whole thing memorized and
devoted 3 yrs to it and for the past 6 yrs I been studying it Alhamdulillah.
First off, apparently, you're denying the whole concept of a Rasool. A Rasool is
sent so that he can show us the way and so we can follow him.
Second, your english grammar sucks! You really expect me to or anyone for that
matter to listen to your illogical arguments?
"so it shouldn't take you no time" 2 negatives equal a positive.
Now my turn
Surah Nahl ayah 44, surah Baqarah ayah 151, surah Aale Imraan ayah 164, surah
jumah ayah 2
All mention that the messenger will explain and teach the Quran to you. How
exactly do you expect that to happen with out hadith? These ayahs are also
indirectly indicating that Allah will protect hadith so that the correct meaning of
the Quran remains.
How exactly do you intend on following the Quran when you have no explanation
for it?
I think what the problem here is that you've misunderstood the contrast between
the compilation of hadith and the actual writing of it.
The writing of hadith was found within the very lifetime of Nabi (saw). The
compilation of Hadith only initiated 3 centuries later.
Just in case you were unaware but the people back then had brains better and
much more advanced then any computer you can find today. Do really think that
Allah will not protect His Deen and on top of that just leave us with the Quran
without any sort of explanation or example?
October 30 at 4:00am via mobile · Like · 7
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Sammy Hossain Surah 17/36? "Do not pursue in such matters which you have no
knowledge of. Verily your hearing and sight and heart, all of it will be
questioned"
Honestly, I have no clue what you mean by that. Plz elaborate. Thank you again
October 30 at 4:03am via mobile · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari I love it when you Sunnis or Shites say obey the messenger means in
translation to follow or believe in Hadith. You are so predictable. You remind me
of Christians who say 'I and the Father are one' when they try to defend their Jesus
is God doctrine.
Obey the messenger only means to obey the message how do we get the message
that was revealed to the Messenger through the message which was nothing but
the Qur'an.
Specifially in Surah 33/1-3 Allah addresses Muhammad as "Prophet' which
differentiated between hims as a 'Messenger' because even Muhammad/the
Prophet had to follow again what was revealed to him which was the Message/the
Qur'an.
“O you prophet, you shall reverence Allah and do not obey the disbelievers and
the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. Follow what is revealed to you
from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant of everything you all do. And put your
trust in Allah…".
Also Allah says,
“We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed in accordance with Allah’s
will…" 4/64
Now how can we today in 2012 'Obey Muhammad?' Hence, Muhammad will
forever be the Messenger of Allah even after his death because being a messenger
only directs us directly to what he conveyed which was the message.
October 30 at 4:07am · Like · 3
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Khidr Amari It does not say the Prophet will wexplain the Qur'an it says he will
make clear to the people not explain. The Qur'an is its own Tafsir/exegesis.
October 30 at 4:09am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari ==> Do not pursue in such matters which you have no knowledge of
<== have you done the research about this Sunnah and Hadith? According to
historical records there was always a split between following Qur'an and
following Hadith. Even Hadith states that the earlier generation of Muslims the
likes of Umar ibn Al Khatab and other so called Caliphs did not follow the
Sunnah. Your own Hadith contradicts Hadith telling us not to follow Hadith. This
Qur'an alone calling is not new.
October 30 at 4:12am · Like · 2
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Sammy Hossain "Obey the messenger only means to obey the message how do
we get the message that was revealed to the Messenger through the message
which was nothing but the Qur'an."
I didn't know you were a mufassir (commentator of the Quran) please do back
that up, using another ayah of the quran.
"
Specifically in Surah 33/1-3 Allah addresses Muhammad as "Prophet' which
differentiated between hims as a 'Messenger' because even Muhammad/the
Prophet had to follow again what was revealed to him which was the Message/the
Qur'an."
The Quran also calls Muhammad (saw) a Rasool in the last ayah of surah Fath. So
right from there your argument is baseless. Then even if we had to agree with
your argument, hypothetically speaking, if Nabi (saw) was in need of guidance
then what makes you think you're not in need of it? The very man who received
Wahi directly from Allah and was bestowed with more knowledge than the whole
of creation needs guidance yet you do not so that is why you've decided to follow
yourself and not Nabi (saw)? Interesting indeed.
By Nabi (saw) following the teachings of the Quran he practically demonstrated it
to us. You said it, not me! Over and over again in the Quran Allah mentions the
stories of the different prophets and what they were requested for by their people
and one of those things was for the prophet to be an angel. Why wasn't an angel
sent down? Well cuz we as humans could nvr relate to being which has no
affiliation whatsoever with us. For an angel to act upon the Quran wouldn't really
mean anything whereas a man would serve as a role model.
“We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed in accordance with Allah’s
will…" 4/64
Please do elaborate on "Allahs will" (again ayah from the Quran that we should
NOT follow Nabi (saw))
"Now how can we today in 2012 'Obey Muhammad?' "
Buddy your question is incorrect. Its more like how can you not obey Muhammed
(saw)? I mean I do it everyday. I'm not having any problems. Please present a
situation wherein one would not be able to obey Muhammad (saw)
"It does not say the Prophet will explain the Qur'an it says he will make clear to
the people not explain."
Check again buddy, I think you've read the english translation wrong.
Surah Nahl ayah 44 clearly mentions the word explain (سانلل نيبتل)
And the rest of the other ayahs that I have presented earlier does not have the
word explain, rather a much stronger and accurate word which is teach. You can
not teach without explaining.
"The Qur'an is its own Tafsir/exegesis." Proof plz (from the quran saying that the
quran will explain itself cuz the last time I checked it clearly said Nabi (saw) will
explain it to the ppl)
"==> Do not pursue in such matters which you have no knowledge of <== have
you done the research about this Sunnah and Hadith?"
NO I have not becuz this is NOT a sunnah or hadith. It is the ayah from the Quran
which you presented earlier on (17/36) and I asked you to explain yourself. Seems
as though you're a tad bit confused.
"According to historical records there was always a split between following
Qur'an and following Hadith. "
O really, which historical records? Proof plz. Btw I'm surprised that a person of
your nature is willing to accept "historical records" written by non muslims and
unauthenticated men (even if they are muslims) as opposed to not accepting
hadith. Did I mention that EVERY single narrator of hadith was scrutinized to the
T.
"Even Hadith states that the earlier generation of Muslims the likes of Umar ibn
Al Khatab and other so called Caliphs did not follow the Sunnah."
Please provide proof.
"Your own Hadith contradicts Hadith telling us not to follow Hadith."
Please provide proof
Listen man, if you wanna discuss/ debate please provide reference and proof for
all your statements. In your case, only Quran would serve as a legitimate source
of proof so good luck!
October 30 at 4:41am via mobile · Like · 4
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain seems your not studying the Qur'an carefully.
A messenger perhaps ‘any’ messenger must have a message to be a messenger,
hence, when you call someone a "messenger" you are directly linking them to the
message, no ifs or buts about it.
Allah says in Surah 4:80 “He who ‘yuti’i’ (obeys) the Messenger, ‘aṭā’a’
(obeyed)Allah. But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their
(evil deeds).”
Now let’s examine the usage of the Arabic word ‘yuṭi’i’ (obeys) in the Qur’an for
further clarity of the matter and how its used.
In Surah 2:285 Allah says, “The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed
to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in
Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they
say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear,‘wa-
aṭa’nā’ (and we obeyed): (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the
end of all journeys."
Remember also the expression:
“He who ‘yuti’i’ (obeys) the Messenger, ‘aṭā’a’ (obeyed) Allah”
This is not a unique expression for the Prophet Muhammad, thus it is for all of the
Prophets of Allah:
In Surah 26:108, Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Noah, "So fear Allah, ‘wa-
aṭī’ūni’ (and obey me)"
Also in Surah 71:3, Noah said, “That ye should worship Allah, fear Him ‘wa-
aṭī’ūni’ (and obey me)…”
Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Hud in Surah 26:126 – “So fear Allah, ‘wa-
aṭī’ūni’ (and obey me)…”
Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Saaleh in Surah 26:144 “fear Allah, ‘wa-aṭī’ūni’
(and obey me) and in Surah 26:150 “fear Allah, ‘wa-aṭī’ūni’ (and obey me)”
Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet LOT in Surah 26:163 “ You shall fear Allah ‘wa-
aṭī’ūni’(and obey me).”
Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Shu’aib in Surah 26:179 – “fear Allah ‘wa-
aṭī’ūni’ (and obey me)”
Allah tells us to OBEY Prophet Jesus in Surah 43:63 “When Jesus came with
Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to
make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah
‘wa-aṭī’ūni’ (and obey me).”
Now compare what the Prophet Muhammad was instructed to say:
"And ‘wa-aṭī’ū (obey) God and ‘wa-aṭī’ū’ (obey) the messenger and be cautious;
but if you turn back, then know that the sole duty of the messenger is the
deliverance (of the message)" Surah 5:92
"And ‘wa-aṭī’ū’ (obey) God ‘wa-aṭī’ū’ (and obey) the messenger, but if you turn
back, then upon Our messenger is the sole duty of the clear delivery (of the
message)" 64:12
“Whoever ‘yuṭi’i (obeys) Allah and his Messenger will be admitted to gardens
beneath which rivers flow to live there (forever), and that will be the great
achievement” (Surah An-Nisa 4:13)
In Surah 3:132 “ ‘wa-aṭī’ū’ (and obey) Allah and the Messenger; that ye may
obtain mercy.”
In Surah 47:33 Allah says, “O ye who believe! ‘wa-aṭī’ū’ (obey) Allah and ‘wa-
aṭī’ū’ (obey) the Messenger, and make not vain your deeds!”
Now if you research the word Messenger, is derived from the word Message. The
duty of a Messenger is to deliver a Message. Now if there was no message there
would be no messenger. Hence, to Obey the Messenger would thus mean to obey
the message he is delivering.
Further research will make it clear in the Qur’an that in the Book of Allah we
never read anywhere in the Quran words like "Obey God and obey Muhammad"
or obey Jesus, or obey Moses as I have shown earlier.
The words used are always "obey the messenger".
This is to emphasize that it is the "message" of Allah that is to be obeyed and not
the personal words or views of the messenger. Again, the word Messenger is
derived from the word Message and if there was no message there would be no
messenger.
Hence, to Obey the Messenger means to obey the message he delivered.
Let’s analyze the Arabic word ‘atwi’ou’ (obey) further the root word is Ta’a
which means:
1) To obey, permit
Tau’an means:
1) With witting obedience
Tau’un means:
1) Obedient
Ta’tun means:
1) Obedience
Ta’i’un means:
Obedient
Tawwa’a means:
1) To permit, consent
Ata’a means:
1) To obey
Muta’un means:
1) Obeyed
When Qur’an instructs us to ‘aṭī’ū’ (obey) God ‘wa-aṭī’ū’ and obey the messenger
it’s not talking about following the Prophet Muhammad in a literal sense and this
is what Christians do when it comes to Prophet Jesus.
Remember Prophet Isa ibn Maryam also said in Surah 43:63 “When Isa came
with Clear Signs, he said:
"Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some
of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah ‘wa-aṭī’ūni’ (and obey
me).”
October 30 at 4:46am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said,
The Quran also calls Muhammad (saw) a Rasool in the last ayah of surah Fath. So
right from there your argument is baseless. Then even if we had to agree with
your argument, hypothetically speaking, if Nabi (saw) was in need of guidance
then what makes you think you're not in need of it? The very man who received
Wahi directly from Allah and was bestowed with more knowledge than the whole
of creation needs guidance yet you do not so that is why you've decided to follow
yourself and not Nabi (saw)? Interesting indeed. By Nabi (saw) following the
teachings of the Quran he practically demonstrated it to us. You said it, not me!
Over and over again in the Quran Allah mentions the stories of the different
prophets and what they were requested for by their people and one of those things
was for the prophet to be an angel. Why wasn't an angel sent down? Well cuz we
as humans could nvr relate to being which has no affiliation whatsoever with us.
For an angel to act upon the Quran wouldn't really mean anything whereas a man
would serve as a role model.
@Sammy, see Allah tells us that the Messenger is to be obeyed and yes the
Qur'an says Muhammad is the messenger because he had a message. Had he not
had to deliver the message he would not have been a messenger.
When Qur’an instructs us to ‘aṭī’ū’ (obey) God ‘wa-aṭī’ū’ and obey the messenger
it’s not talking about following the Prophet Muhammad in a literal sense and this
is what Christians do when it comes to Prophet Jesus. Remember Prophet Isa ibn
Maryam also said in Surah 43:63 “When Isa came with Clear Signs, he said:
"Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some
of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah ‘wa-aṭī’ūni’ (and obey
me).”
What do you mean if the Prophet was in need of guidance he was in need of
guidance didn't Allah find him lost according to the Qur'an? We are all in need of
guidance and the Qur'an alone provides it.
Allah makes it clear:"Say: "Allah's guidance is THE Guidance" [2:120, 3:73,
6:71]
"Allah has revealed the most beautiful hadith in the form of a Book, consistent
with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who
fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the
celebration of Allah's praises. Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah: He guides
therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to
guide." [39:23]
You want to follow Hadith follow the Best Hadith, the Qur'an:
==> Allah has revealed the most beautiful hadith in the form of a Book <==
==> Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah <==
October 30 at 4:54am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said,
Surah Nahl ayah 44 clearly mentions the word explain (سانلل نيبتل)
Again @Sammy you should study the Qur'an carefully.
"bil-bayināti (With clear arguments) and scriptures; and We have revealed to you
the Reminder that litubayyina (you may make clear) to people what has been
revealed to them, and that haply they may reflect." 16/44
So here we have:
bil-bayināti (With clear arguments)
litubayyina (you may make clear)
The word does not mean explain anything it means to make clear, obvious so
where are you learning your Arabic from? Do you want more proof?
"And when their messengers came to them And when their messengers came to
them bil-bayināti (with clear proofs), they [merely] rejoiced in what they had of
knowledge, but they were enveloped by what they used to ridicule." 40/83
"And thus do We diversify the verses so the disbelievers will say, "You have
studied," walinubayyinahu (and so We may make it clear) for a people who
know." 6/105
It is Allah, who is the ‘Mufasir’ i.e commentator of the Qur’an, and the Tafsir of
one verse was provided by the revelation of other verses which would throw
light on the subject under discussion.
Thus it is said:
"Ar-Rahmaan (The Beneficent God). It is He who teaches the Qur’an." (55:1-2)
Not only was the revelation, compilation and protection of the Book taken up by
Allah himself, but also its explanation. As we are informed:
"Do not move your tongue with this (Qur'an) to make haste with it. Surely on Us
(devolves) the collecting of it and the reciting of it. Therefore when We have
recited it, follow its recitation. Again on Us (devolves) the explaining of it."
(75:16-19)
It was not the Prophet Muhammad's job to explain anything Allah clearly said that
Allah will explain His Book.
" See how We repeat the verses that they may understand." (6:65)
"See how We repeat the verses, yet they turn away (from the truth rendered by
recurrence of Ayat)." (6:46)
~Khidr~
October 30 at 5:04am · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain again don't worry about my research I can give you
a link to my information. Just worry about refutting the Qur'an and providing your
evidence from Qur'an that validates your outside books called Hadith.
October 30 at 5:05am · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said,
Buddy your question is incorrect. Its more like how can you not obey Muhammed
(saw)? I mean I do it everyday. I'm not having any problems. Please present a
situation wherein one would not be able to obey Muhammad (saw)
@Again Sammy, if you at the beach and the life guards name was Tommay
would you expect the sign to read:
1) Obey the lifeguard
or
2) Obey Tommy
Never does the Qur'an say Obey Muhammad there is a big difference between the
two it is always Obey the Messenger.
October 30 at 5:08am · Edited · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Sammy said,
"Proof plz (from the quran saying that the quran will explain itself cuz the last
time I checked it clearly said Nabi (saw) will explain it to the ppl)"
I just provided the proof in the above ayats but here is more:
<unzur kaifa nusarriful a_ya_ti la'allahum yafqahu_n>
"See how We repeat the verses that they may understand." (6:65)
<Wa laqad sarrafna_ lin na_si fi ha_zal qur'a_ni min kulli masal(in), fa aba_
aksarun na_si illa_ kufu_ra>
"And certainly We have repeated for mankind in this Quran, every kind of
similitude, but the majority of mankind do not consent to aught but denying."
(17:89)
"And thus do We repeat the verses and that they may say: You have read; and that
We may make it clear to a people who know." (6:108)
The messenger gave Dars ul Qur-an, by this manner, and the Qur’an was clarified
by the Qur’an itself. This is further supported in Surah Al-Furqan, where a certain
objection of the unbelievers is identified:
<Wa qa_lal lazina kafaru_ lau la_ nuz zila alaihil qur a_nu jumlataw wa_hidah
kaza_lika linusab bita bihi fu a_daka wa rat talna_hu tartila_Wa la_ yatu_naka
bimasalin il la_ jina_ka bil haq qi wa ahsana tafsira>
"The unbelievers say: "Why is not the Qur'an revealed to him all at once? Thus (is
it revealed gradually) that We may strengthen thy heart thereby and We have
rehearsed it to thee in slow well-arranged stages gradually. And no example do
they bring to thee but We bring to thee the truth and the best explanation." (25:32-
33)
“…We have revealed to you tib'yānan (as a clarification) this book likulli (of
every) shayin (thing) wahudan (and a guidance) waraḥmatan (and mercy)
wabush'rā (and glad tidings)..." 16:89
Tibyaan means to clarify something which requires clarification and explanation.
Yet, something which is inherently clear doesn’t require elucidation, lest any
excessive explanations amount to curiosity and mere prattle for which we have no
need.
Do you want more?
~Khidr~!
October 30 at 5:15am · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said,
O really, which historical records? Proof plz. Btw I'm surprised that a person of
your nature is willing to accept "historical records" written by non muslims and
unauthenticated men (even if they are muslims) as opposed to not accepting
hadith. Did I mention that EVERY single narrator of hadith was scrutinized to the
T.
"Even Hadith states that the earlier generation of Muslims the likes of Umar ibn
Al Khatab and other so called Caliphs did not follow the Sunnah."
Please provide proof.
"Your own Hadith contradicts Hadith telling us not to follow Hadith."
Please provide proof
Listen man, if you wanna discuss/ debate please provide reference and proof for
all your statements. In your case, only Quran would serve as a legitimate source
of proof so good luck!
@ok Sammy you want more proof then proof you have it.
Hence, just three days before the demise of Prophet, the Messenger of Allah
asked for pen and paper in order to state his last will.
According to Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim an opposition group among the
companions emerged, whose leader was Umar, It is narrated in Sahih Muslim
that: Ibn Abbas said: “Thursday! And how tragic that Thursday was!” Then Ibn
Abbas cried severely so that his tears flowed to his cheeks. Then he added
Prophet said: “Bring me a flat bone or a sheet and an ink so that I could write
(order to write) a statement that will prevent you people to go astray after me.”
They said: “Verily the messenger of Allah is talking no sense.” Reference: Sahih
Muslim, Chapter of “Kitabul-Wasiyyah” in section “Babut-Tarkil-Wasiyyah”,
1980 Edition, Arabic version (Saudi Arabia), v3, P1259, Tradition (#1637/21).
The other version is given by al-Bukhari and Muslim which indicates the role of
Umar in that catastrophe: Sahih al-Bukhari Hadiths: 9.468 and 7.573 Narrated Ibn
‘Abbas:
When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men
in the house, and among them was ‘Omar Ibn al-Khatttab, the Prophet said:
“Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray.”
‘Umar said: “The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Qur’an, so Allah’s
Book is sufficient for us.” The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of
them said, “Come near so that Allah’s Apostle may write for you a writing after
which you will not go astray,” while the others said what ‘Omar said. When they
made much noise and quarreled greatly in front of the Prophet, he said to them,
“Go away and leave me.” Ibn `Abbas used to say: “It was a great disaster that
their quarrel and noise prevented Allah’s Apostle from writing a statement for
them. The above tradition can also be found in Sahih Muslim, Chapter of
“Kitabul- Wasiyyah” in section “Babut-Tarkil-Wasiyyah”, 1980 Edition, Arabic
version (Saudi Arabia), v3, p1259, Tradition (#1637/22). Sahih al-Bukhari
Hadith: 5.716 Narrated Ibn Abbas: Thursday! And how tragic that Thursday was!
The ailment of Allah’s Apostle became worse (on Thursday) and he said “Bring
me something so that I (order) to write for you something after which you will
never go astray.” The people (present there) quarreled in this matter, and it was
not right to quarrel in front of prophet. They said, “What is wrong with him? (Do
you think) he is talking no sense (delirious)?” The above tradition is also in Sahih
Muslim, Chapter of “Kitabul-Wasiyyah” in section “Babut-Tarkil-Wasiyyah”,
1980 Edition, Arabic version, (Saudi Arabia), v3, pp 1257-58, tradition
(#1637/20).=========
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7: 573
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
When Allah’s Apostle was on his death-bed and in the house there were some
people among whom was ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab, the Prophet said, “Come, let me
write for you a statement AFTER WHICH you will not go astray.” ‘Umar said,
“The Prophet is seriously ill and you have the Qur’an; so the Book of Allah is
enough for us.”
; The people present in the house differed and quarrelled. Some said “Go near so
that the Prophet may write for you a statement after which you will not go astray,”
while the others said as Umar said. When they caused a hue and cry before the
Prophet, Allah’s Apostle said, “Go away!” Narrated ‘Ubaidullah: Ibn ‘Abbas used
to say, “It was VERY UNFORTUNATE that Allah’s Apostle was prevented from
writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise.”
Major Points
(a) Muhammad wanted to give something of utmost theological importance which
would keep Muslims in the right path and prevent them from going astray.
(b) Muhammad implied that whatever they had until then (Quran and other
sayings of Muhammad) was not sufficient; but his final new teachings were
required AFTER WHICH he was sure that Muslims will not go astray.
(c) Umar did not allow these most important teachings of Muhammad to be
delivered by Muhammad.
(d) Umar said Quran was sufficient even though Muhammad wanted to give
something more.
(e) Umar and his group justified their decision by saying that Muhammad was
delirious and in a state of unconsciousness.
(f) Ibn Abbas used to cry much realizing that this was a heavy loss.
(g) Muhammad died without completing his mission without delivering
everything that he was supposed to teach.
Now it seems that Umar and those who agreed with Umar was quarreling against
those who wanted Hadith. Umar was write they had the BOOK OF ALLAH and
this is the same argument we are saying today in 2012.
Now those who was for the Book of Allah versus wanting Hadith were some of
the companions of Muhammad who were supposedly the most pious Muslims
who would not allow Prophet Muhammad a sick and dying man to express
himself, it raises some serious concerns.
More addresses for similar traditions: Sahih al-Bukhari, in the chapter named
“The Book of Knowledge” (Kitabul-Ilm), also in the chapter named “The Book of
Medicine” (Kitabut-Tib), also in the chapter named “Kitabul Itisam bil Kitab was-
Sunnah”. Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1,pp 232, 239, 324f, 336, 355. And much
more…
Also as indicated above (Sahih al-Bukhari Hadiths: 9.468 and 7.573), `Umar said:
“The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Qur’an, so Allah’s Book is
sufficient for us.” `Umar and those who supported him prevented prophet from
writing ordering to write that statement, by accusing him of ‘talking no sense’.
This is SERIOUS!!! Umar and some of the Prophet’s closest companions accused
the Prophet Muhammad when he was on his death bed after the Prophet requested
that they bring him something to write with so they won’t go astray, he was called
talking none sense, or speaking delirious.
Food for thought….
But wait there is more where this came from Sammy.
October 30 at 5:26am · Like
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Khidr Amari This is your own Hadith I do the same with Christians using their
own Bible.
October 30 at 5:27am · Edited · Like
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Khidr Amari Reference: http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_9_92.php
October 30 at 5:33am · Like
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Khidr Amari The rules for hadith science were not developed until the early 11th
century, by Al-Hakim (d.1014) who developed 52 categories, and then Ibn al-
Salah (d.1245) who developed 65 categories.Science of hadith perfect? Science of
hadith came about because of mass corruption in the fidelity of hadith.
The Six authoritative (Sahih) hadith are compiled by:
Sahih Bukhari (810-870); Sahih Muslim (817-874); Daud (817-888); al-Tirmidhi
(821-892); al-Nasai (d.915); al-Darimi (797-868); and Ibn Maja (824-886).
Muhammad’s authority following the Sunnah was developed posthumously,
invented by the religious scholars as a device to wrestle power out of the hands of
the Caliph.
The idea that Muhammad’s political power passed to the Caliph was invented at a
later period (the early Abbasid- post 750 AD), when the idea of Muhammad's
Sunnah was used to undermine the positions of the Caliphs (1986:26).
Besides, when I say that the writing of Hadith is not allowed, I don't take this
information from the Hadith itself. Instead I take it from the authentic data of
Islamic history. The fact that the according to their own sources of Hadith, it's
stated that the Prophet forbade people to write down his words, and also the fact
that during the reign of Abu Bakr Siddiq and Umar bin Khattab thousands of
Hadith were destroyed (BURNED) by them is well known and is found
everywhere in Islamic history.
Majority of the Hadith narrations either have no link with the important values of
the Qur'aan or they altogether clash with the ethics of the Qur'aan. Only a small
amount of narrations conform with the Quraanic dictates. But even concerning
few of those narrations that might conform with the Qur'aan, there is no reason to
presume that these were mentioned by the Prophet is those words.
What came to be regarded by the Sunnites as the `Six Authentic Books' compiled
by Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Daud, Ibn Maja, Tirmidhi and al-Nasa`i.
The four Shi'ite compilations are by al-Kulaini, Ibn Babuwayh, al-Murtada and
Ja`afar Muhammad al-Tusi did not exist at the time of the Prophet's death, as the
Quran did, but were made between 210 and 410 years later. Why were the
compilations not made earlier?
Several modern hadith scholars claim that they possess new evidence to prove
that the hadith were written down at the time of the Prophet. They were
memorized and handed down from generation to generation until the second and
third Islamic centuries when the official compilations were made.
The still unanswered question, even if we were to accept the claim, is this:
"Why was the official compilation not made earlier, especially during the time of
the righteous caliphs when the first reporters, i.e., the eye witnesses, were still
alive and could be examined?"
~Khidr~
October 30 at 5:37am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari During the second caliph Abu Bakr's administration, Abu Bakr
himself ordered the Prophet's secretary, Zaid ibn Thabit, to compile the Quran
into book form, taking care that all its contents were corroborated by two or more
witnesses.
When the third caliph, Uthman, prepared his official version of the Quran for
dissemination throughout the length and breadth of Islam, he based it on this
version. Thus, the Quran fully satisfies the requirements of a well-corroborated
text.
Why was Hadith forbidden?
There are several hadiths that say Prophet Muhammad forbade his sayings from
being recorded.
Abu Saeed al-Khudri said, “We exerted our best to get the Messenger of Allah to
allow us to write his hadith but he refused.” Recorded by Al-Baghdadi in Taqyid
al-Ilm
Narrated Zayd ibn Thabit:
Al-Muttalib ibn Abdullah ibn Hantab said:
Zayd ibn Thabit entered upon Mu'awiyah and asked him about a tradition. He
ordered a man to write it. Zayd said: The Apostle of Allah ordered us not to write
any of his traditions. So he erased it. [Sunan of Abu-Dawood Book 25, Number
3640:]
The reason most often given by Hadith followers as to why it was forbidden is
formulated by Ramhurmuzi (d. 360 A.H.) as follows:
“Apparently the prohibition was in the beginning to make their attention to the
Qur’an only and to distinguish the recording of the Qur’an from the sunnah
(traditions) of the Prophet and to keep things safe from any kind of mixture or
confusion.”
Muslims claim that in order for one to be a Muslim, one must uphold both the
Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith) of Muhammad. Yet at the same time they claim
that the Sunnah was not written down to prevent it from mixing with the Quran.
It seems to me that for the followers of the hadiths, Quran and Sunnah (Hadith)
are one in the same. Any difference seems to be merely lip service. In reality,
there is no distinction drawn, since both are equally binding according to them.
However, in reality, as per the laws of Allah, it is only the Quran that is binding.
Some more hadith narrations which itself confirm the illegality of the Hadith
institution, by confirming that the Prophet (pbuh) gave orders not to write
anything except the Quraan.
1) Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said,
"Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN. Anyone who wrote anything
other than the Quran shall erase it."
The following is reported to have happened 30 years after the death of the Prophet
Muhammed and shows that the Prophet never allowed anyone to write anything
except the Quraan till the end.
Those hadiths that claim or indicate that the Prophet later changed his mind and
allowed the companions to write his sayings are considered fabricated or weak by
the hadith scholars themselves.
But the following which was narrated 30 years after the passing away of the
Prophet (pbuh) is enough to conclude the Prophet Muhammed never authorized
the writing of the hadiths since the time he told his followers not to write anything
except the Quran.
(2) From Ibn Hanbal:
Zayd Ibn Thabit (The Prophet's closest revelation writer) visited the Khalifa
Mu'aawiyah (more than 30 years after the Prophet's death), and told him a story
about the Prophet. Mu'aawiyah liked the story and ordered someone to write it
down. But Zayd said. " the messenger of God ordered us NEVER to write
anything of his hadith,"
(3) The famous book, "Ulum Al-Hadith" by Ibn Al-Salah, reports a hadith by Abu
Hurayra in which Abu Hurayra said the messenger of God came out to us while
we were writing his hadiths and said; "What are you writing?" We said, "Hadiths
that we hear from you, messenger of God."
He said, "A book other than the book of God ?!" We said, "Should we talk about
you?" He said, Talk about me, that would be fine, but those who will lie will go to
Hell. Abu Hurayra said, we collected what we wrote of Hadiths and burned them
in fire.
(4) In the famous book, "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Hurayra said, the messenger of
God was informed that some people are writing his hadiths. He took to the pulpit
of the mosque and said, "What are these books that I heard you wrote? I am just a
human being. Anyone who has any of these writings should bring it here. Abu
Hurayra said we collected all these and burned them in fire.
(5) Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad book, narrates a hadith in which Abdullah Ibn Omar
said, "the messenger of God one day came out to us as if he was going to depart
us soon and said, "When I depart you (die), hold to the book of God, prohibit
what it prohibits and accept as halal what it makes halal."
No mention of the Sunnah.
(6) Again, in the book "Taq-yeed Al-Ilm", Abu Saeed Al-Khudry said, " I asked
the messenger of God a permission to write his hadiths, but he refused to give me
a permission."
(7) The farewell Pilgrimage of the Prophet Muhammad is a corner stone in the
Muslim history. The Final Sermon given by the Prophet during this pilgrimage
was witnessed by tens of thousands of Muslims. Yet there are THREE versions of
this sermon in the Hadith books. This by itself reflects the degree of corruption of
the Hadith books as this is the most witnessed speech of the prophet Muhammad.
Prominent figure who was a rejector of Hadith
Abu Bakr at one point was not sure whether to keep what he knows of hadiths or
not. He had collected 500 Hadiths during very long companionship of the Prophet
Muhammed, but he could not sleep the night until he burned them.
Prominent figures who was rejectors of Hadith, if Muslims follow Hadith, why
don't Muslims follow Hadith that prohibit Hadith?
https://www.facebook.com/notes/why-should-muslims-return-to-the-quran-alone-
without-the-sunnah/prominent-figures-who-was-rejectors-of-hadith-if-muslims-
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October 30 at 5:39am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr.... Why was the prophet saw sent?
October 30 at 5:58am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan what does the Qur'an say?
The Qur'an clearly says Prophet Muhammad was sent toward an-naas (4:170,
7:158, 34:28) to bring an-naas out of darkness (14:1), to warn an-naas (14:44,
22:49), to judge between an-naas (4:105) by the Book that was sent towards an-
naas (4:105, 10:57, 10:108), and to read the Quran to an-naas (17:106).
~Khidr~
October 30 at 6:02am · Like
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Naqash Ahmed lol what fitnah, may Allaah save the ummah from such things,
ignorance and arrogance are two deadly combinations.
October 30 at 6:02am · Like
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Khidr Amari Yes, may Allah destroy the books of tales of the ancients its no
wonder the Messenger will say on that day my people have abandoned the Qur'an,
Surah 25/30.
October 30 at 6:04am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan 2: do you consider Hadith as revelation? Because the Quran
does.
October 30 at 6:04am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan where does the Qur'an say outside books by
written compiled by Persian Imams Divine Revelation?
October 30 at 6:06am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan If yes then 3: why did Allah consider his speech قطن as wahi in
the opening verses of Surah najm if Quran was enough?
October 30 at 6:07am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan answer my question Hadith are not Divine
Revelation.
October 30 at 6:08am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari There is a clear distinction according to the Qur'an from Wahi and
his Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)
October 30 at 6:09am · Like
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Khidr Amari Everything that the Prophet said was not according to Wahi.
October 30 at 6:10am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Ur statement that there's a difference in wahi and speech of
Nabi... Where's the proof that there diff? And you haven't answered my question
as to why has the prophet come to us?
October 30 at 6:16am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan And the Persian imams only recorded what the prophet said,
don't go of subject please
October 30 at 6:17am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari I did answer your question please read above and read carefully
October 30 at 6:18am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Connection didn't allow, answer my questions beside that one
please
October 30 at 6:21am via mobile · Like
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Why should Muslims return to the Qur'an Alone without the Sunnah Mufti Taha
Khan again I presented what the Qur'an said the Propohet was sent for. I also
presented proof that not all of the Prophet's speech was according to Wahi.
October 30 at 6:23am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan The q was, where's your proof of saying one is wahi and
prophets speech is not?
October 30 at 6:23am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, Ur statement that there's a difference in wahi
and speech of Nabi... Where's the proof that there diff? And you haven't answered
my question as to why has the prophet come to us?
@Mufti you want proof according to Qur'an here you have it.
how do you explain these mistakes by the Prophet?
Error No 1
8:67 And it was not for any prophet to take prisoners until he is bound by a
campaign. You desire the materials of this world, while God wants the Hereafter
for you. God is Noble, Wise.
8:68 Had it not been previously ordained from God, then a severe punishment
would have afflicted you for what you took.
Error No 2
9:43 God pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you
who are truthful, and who are lying?
Error No 3
33:37 And you said to the one who was blessed by God, and blessed by you:
Keep your wife and reverence God, and you hid inside yourself what God wished
to proclaim. And you were concerned with the people, while God was more
deserving that you be concerned with. So when Zayd ended his relationship with
his wife, We had you marry her, to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the
believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended.
And the command of God is always done.
Error No 4
66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for
you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Error No 5
80:1 He frowned and turned away.
80:2 When the blind one came to him.
Error No 6
9:113 It is not for the prophet and those who believe that they should seek
forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they are relatives, after it has been made
clear to them that they are the dwellers of Hell.
~Khidr~
October 30 at 6:24am · Like · 1
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Naqash Ahmed In essence, “Hadith” refers to an act done, word spoken or a
confirmation given by Rasulullah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam). “Hadith” has
been accepted as a source of Islamic law, after the Quran. Its status has remained
undisputed throughout the centuries aside from some individuals who have
separated themselves from the mainstream of the Muslim population. Its authority
is evident from the Quran. The Quran repeatedly reminds the believers to follow
Rasulullah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam).
In order to fulfill the injunctions of the Quran, one is required to accept the
authority Hadith. If one denies the authority of Hadith, it is impossible for him to
fulfill and carry out the injunctions of the Quran, for example, we are commanded
in the Quran to perform salat. But the Quran does not explain the methodology of
salat. The Hadith explains to us the methodology of salat. If one had to rely
simply on following the Quran, and not the hadith, he would not know the
methodology of salat. Therefore, we are required to follow both, the Quran and
Hadith. The Sahaba, Tabi’een and all the pious predecessors were staunch follows
of Rasulullah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam)
Hereunder are a few verses proving the authority of Hadith:
ا ل ن ط ا
“And obey Allah and the Messenger so that you may be shown mercy” (3:132)
ت ي ا
“And whoever obeys Allah and his messenger, Allah shall admit him in the
gardens underneath which rivers flow” (4:13)
“And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest
error” (33:36)
The Muhadditheen (experts in Hadith) have dedicated their lives in the various
sciences of Hadith in order to preserve the authenticity of Ahadith. You may read
more on the subject matter from a book “Authority of Sunnah” by Mufti Taqi
Uthmani Saheb.
And Allah knows best
-http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/16635
October 30 at 6:26am · Like · 6
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Mufti Taha Khan Your point would have been valid only if Allah did not correct
his Nabi, but he did, reason for making some errors was to show that the prophet
is human and a dependent of Allah.... Also I don't see that u have answered why
the speech of Nabi is not considered wahi, then explain the meaning of the ayah
where Allah calls the speech of Nabi as wahi?????
October 30 at 6:28am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan you said the Prophet's SPEECH was Wahi which
indicates everything he said was of divine Guidance. I exposed you as being
wrong. Allah corrected him because of some of his speech and actions that were
not according to wahi. Yes, he was human and we are not told to follow the
speech of Muhammad, we are told to obey and follow the Messenger. Never does
Allah correct the Messenger at any time why because as a Messenger he was
perfect at conveying the message.
October 30 at 6:31am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Wow... U so lack intellect, the question has not been answered,
u only said why it can't be wahi. U didn't answer why Allah calls it wahi?
October 30 at 6:35am via mobile · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Allah calls what was revealed to him Wahi.
October 30 at 6:48am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Down the road there's gonna be allot coming your way, even
that Hadith rejectors and different versions of the last sermon of prophet saw,
your not going anywhere, imma have you delete me block me like your other
cousin or brother, absolutely no respect for our prophet saw!
October 30 at 6:51am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan A side thing! Question still remains! Then according to u even
Allah made mistakes, there were many things that were abrogated, didn't Allah
know better?!?!?
October 30 at 6:58am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again produce your proof about Hadith just one
ayat put your proof where your mouth is.
October 30 at 6:58am · Like
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Khidr Amari The Hadith alone has no respect for our Prophet have you read your
Hadith lately?
October 30 at 6:58am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Bro u trapped urself in answering my question, wahi is what
was revealed to him u said... قطني ام the maa in Arabic is to make something
general and its related to speech and nutq, hence it covers everything the prophet
speaks of, provided evidence, if you still think there's a problem in calling the
prophets speach wahi then give evidence from Quran that its not, not from Hadith
because to u it's not important and the Quran is enough, or provide evidence from
Hadith aswell, if you say that the prophet saw don't write from me.. It dosent
answer the question, if you say the prophet erred... Won't answer it either cuz ur
telling me why it can't be wahi but not why Allah called it wahi, also then Allah
erred in numerous places... ANSWER MY QUESTION cuz ur about to get
puzzled
October 30 at 11:44am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Side thing, we thought salafis were retarted for wanting only
what's in Hadith, this joker goes further in saying only quran and nothing else, I
don't know what religion u follow cuz not much left if u discard Hadith... An that
ull c in just abit
October 30 at 11:57am via mobile · Like · 4
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Mufti Taha Khan Just a reminder... I gave evidence from Quran that prophets
speech is considered wahi, u say no its not, time for u to give evidence supporting
ur claim
October 30 at 12:08pm via mobile · Like
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Sammy Hossain Your whole thing about "obeying" just substantiated our view
that you're supposed to obey Nabi (saw).
"Obey" is used in a general context. If you want to specify to a certain type of
obedience you'll need proof for that.
Over and over again Allah is saying OBEY, OBEY, OBEY. Show me one place
where Allah is saying DO NOT OBEY the messenger? Again you're sorta
confused. For a min there I thought I was arguing with the wrong guy.
Honestly I don't know what you're trying to prove from these ayahs. All you
mentioned was let's see how the word "obey" was used. Plz do clarify your exact
point cuz I'm definitely not picking it up.
"Further research will make it clear in the Qur’an that in the Book of Allah we
never read anywhere in the Quran words like "Obey God and obey Muhammad"
or obey Jesus, or obey Moses as I have shown earlier.
The words used are always "obey the messenger"."
As you said the Quran is an Explanation for its self. Allah says messenger and
also clarifies who the messenger is. How much explicit do you want it to get??
"This is to emphasize that it is the "message" of Allah that is to be obeyed and not
the personal words or views of the messenger. Again, the word Messenger is
derived from the word Message and if there was no message there would be no
messenger."
So by some1 following the Messenger, he will be contradicting the Quran? Wow
makes lots of sense. The Man that was sent down as a messenger to convey it to
us will lead us to misguidance but our english translated versions of the Quran
won't. You claim to be directly following the Quran but in reality you're fooling
yourself by following the man who ever came up with all these ideas. And mind
you, this concept of yours only cropped up not too long ago. Think about it, from
the sahaba till now everyone is following Islam in the wrong method and all of a
sudden out pops the weasel in the last century and claims to have the correct
understanding of deen? Honestly you're a clown!
And btw I think you should show some respect to the man who was the
messenger of Allah. Without him you wouldn't have a Quran.
"When Qur’an instructs us to ‘aṭī’ū’ (obey) God ‘wa-aṭī’ū’ and obey the
messenger it’s not talking about following the Prophet Muhammad in a literal
sense "
You keep on saying not in a literal sense then in what sense is he supposed to be
obeyed?
What was the point of sending down a messenger and taking 23 yrs for its
revelation. Why not just send the book down with an angel? That would have
satisfied everyone. How exactly do you even follow the Quran without the
guidance of Nabi (saw)? How do offer salah? Zakah? Hajj? What was the purpose
of Nabi (saw) then?
"What do you mean if the Prophet was in need of guidance he was in need of
guidance didn't Allah find him lost according to the Qur'an? We are all in need of
guidance and the Qur'an alone provides it. "
What I mean is, and ill be really clear, if Nabi (saw) was in need of guidance then
who are you to not be in need of guidance? Nabi (saw) received wahi whenever
he made a "mistake" so what wahi are you receiving? The Quran alone can not be
guidance cuz not everything is clear cut in the Quran. You need some1 to explain
it. Going back to my point, if the very messenger of Allah needed guidance
despite the fact that he had the Quran what makes you think that you won't err?
Why didn't Nabi (saw) just refer back to the Quran and make the right decision?
""Allah has revealed the most beautiful hadith in the form of a Book, consistent
with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who
fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the
celebration of Allah's praises. Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah: He guides
therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to
guide." [39:23]"
This doesn't prove your argument of not following Nabi (saw). So by following
Nabi (saw) you won't get guidance? You'll be mislead to kufr if you had to follow
Nabi (saw)?
Regarding bayinaat. You've just connected the 2 together whereas they are two
complete different things. One is talking about the messenger clarifying and the
other one is about cleat signs. What need would there be to clarify a clear sign?
" See how We repeat the verses that they may understand." (6:65)
Man you are a nut. The word ayah here is not referring to quranic verses. How do
we know? Look back to the beginning of verse and you'll clearly see that Allah is
talking about His greatness. Ayah here refers to its actual meaning which is a
sign.
"Again on Us (devolves) the explaining of it." (75:16-19)
It was not the Prophet Muhammad's job to explain anything Allah clearly said that
Allah will explain His Book."
Wait wait wait. Just b4 that you tried proving that its explanation is not needed
and now you're saying it is? And let's agree with you on this one. Plz explain how
exactly Allah has explained everything in the Quran? Where does He explain
salah, hajj, jihad, sawm and etc?
"@Again Sammy, if you at the beach and the life guards name was Tommay
would you expect the sign to read:
1) Obey the lifeguard
or
2) Obey Tommy "
If tommy is the lifeguard then you'll have to obey him! The messenger is clearly
known. Its Muhammad (saw). You said it yourself over a thousand times that
Muhammad is a messenger. So if it says obey the messenger and we know who
the messenger is then that is who you have to obey or is the messenger unknown
according you?
"The messenger gave Dars ul Qur-an, by this manner, and the Qur’an was
clarified by the Qur’an itself"
What was the need of darsul Quran if it was already self evident? What was the
purpose of Nabi then? Why not have just sent down the book on its own?
"Tibyaan means to clarify something which requires clarification and explanation.
Yet, something which is inherently clear doesn’t require elucidation, lest any
excessive explanations amount to curiosity and mere prattle for which we have no
need."
If that's the case then why does the Quran say you will clarify? There's an obvious
contradiction.
October 30 at 3:45pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Sammy Hossain Ill answer the rest of your questions later on.
October 30 at 3:46pm via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said,
Bro u trapped urself in answering my question, wahi is what was revealed to him
u said... قطني ام the maa in Arabic is to make something general and its related to
speech and nutq, hence it covers everything the prophet speaks of, provided
evidence, if you still think there's a problem in calling the prophets speach wahi
then give evidence from Quran that its not, not from Hadith because to u it's not
important and the Quran is enough, or provide evidence from Hadith aswell, if
you say that the prophet saw don't write from me.. It dosent answer the question,
if you say the prophet erred... Won't answer it either cuz ur telling me why it can't
be wahi but not why Allah called it wahi, also then Allah erred in numerous
places... ANSWER MY QUESTION cuz ur about to get puzzled"
@Mufti, I speak from the Qur'an alone you speaking from Hadith know the
difference. You cannot intellectually debate against Allah's Words.
Allah says in the Qur'an,
9:43 God pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you
who are truthful, and who are lying?
Now we have in Surah Tauba, Nabi ==> is admonished <== about the
Munafiqeen (Hypocrites) who were reluctant to struggle in the cause of God with
their lives and possessions:
<Afalla_hu 'ank (a), lima azinta lahum hatta_ yatabayyana lakal lazina sadaqu_
wa ta'lamal ka_zibin(a).>
"Allah pardon you! Why did you give them leave until those who spoke the truth
had become manifest to you and you had known the liars?" (9:43)
In the above ayah Nabi is admonished as to why he had given permission to the
Hypocrites until the truthful people were made distinct from the liars. Had
everything spoken by Nabi been a revelation from Allah, then the above Qur’anic
revelation would not have opposed ==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) <== in
which he had given the permission to the Hypocrites for nonparticipation in Jihad.
Thus this confirms that whatever Nabi uttered is not revelation but his human
speech is separate from Divine revelations.
In Surah Al-Araaf it is mentioned that when Nabi did not bring them a revelation,
the unbelievers objected and this objection of theirs is identified:
<Wa iza_ lam ta'tihim bi a_yatin qa_lu_ lau lajtabaitaha>
"And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen
it?" (7:203)
Once again had everything uttered by Nabi been a revelation from Allah, then in
the above verse it would be meaningless to identify this objection of unbelievers
as to why the messenger has not selected the revelation by himself, as under the
assumption, whatever he speaks is considered as revelation of Allah. Allah has
identified in the above verse that it is the Qur’anic Ayat that are the revelations
that Nabi used to bring to his people, and not everything he uttered as a human
being.
This is further clarified by the rest of the verse:
<qul innama_ attabi'u ma_ yu_ha_ ilayya mir rabbi, ha_za_ basa_'iru mir
rabbikum wa hudaw wa rahmatul liqaumiy yu'minu_n(a).Wa iza_ quri'al qur'a_nu
fastami'u_ lahu_ wa ansitu_ la'allakum turhamu_n(a).
"Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an)
is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that
believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may
obtain mercy." (7:203-204)
See we see from the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) that whatever Nabi spoke was not
revelation, as otherwise Allah would not have identified this aspect when He says:
<Wa iza_ lam ta'tihim bi a_yatin> "
"And when thou bringest not a verse for them"
If everything spoken by Nabi were revelation Allah would never have said the
above as everything uttered by Nabi would have then already be revelations from
Allah. Also notice in verse 203, it is confirmed that whatever Nabi spoke again
dealing with the ==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) <== was not revelation
why because in verse 204, it is being urged that when the Qur’an is being recited
then it should be listened to attentively, thus indicating that it is the Qur’an which
is the only revelation of Allah.
Why not study the Qur'an carefully? We have in Surah At-Tahrim, it is mentioned
that Nabi made something
prohibited on himself, which Allah had made permissible. Does this sound like
wahi ==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) <==
Allah says
"O Nabi! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you;
you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (66:1)
In the above ayat again confirms that whatever Nabi did or acted upon was not
entirely revelation, but he also acted upon his own initiative, otherwise the
admonition from Allah would not have come in which it is said:
<lima tuhar rimu ma_ ahal lal la_hu laka>
"why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you"
From the Qur'an we have te Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) that the Nabi also made
decisions on his own and acted on his own initiative at times instead of the
revelation of Allah, and thus proves that all the decisions and actions of Nabi and
the ==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) <== were not "wahi" or revelation of
Allah.
~Khidr~
October 30 at 4:52pm · Like
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Khidr Amari From the above evidence it is abundantly clear that it is only the
Qur’an which was sent as "wahi" (inspiration) and "nuzuul" (descent or
revelation) from Allah.
In Surah An-Najam where it says that Nabi does not speak of his own desire in
which you Sunnis and Shites love to quote so much that actually speaks against
you you love to quote, but it is "wahi" sent to him, then in this verse the "wahi"
once again refers to ==> the Qur’an alone <== and does not include everything
Nabi uttered in life ==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) <== as the above
verses prove to the contrary and establish the Qur’an to be the only revelation
received by the messenger of Allah.
It says in Surah An-Najam:
"By the evidence of the star when it goes down. Your companion does not err, nor
does he go astray; Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but revelation that
is revealed."
<In huwa il la_ wahyu yu_ha>" (53:1-4)
In the above verse the particular "Nataq-un-Nabi" (Speech of Nabi) is identified
as <In huwa il la_ wahyu yu_ha> "It is naught but revelation that is revealed."
Now what is this "wahi" that is sent to him? Does this include everything he
utters? The evidence from the Qur’an brought to light above says to the contrary,
and identifies that Nabi was given only the Qur’an as revelation. Then what does
this "wahi" refer to? Allah Himself clarifies this matter in Surah Ash-Shoora:
"And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, <auhaina_ ilaika qur a_nan
arabiy yan> that you may warn the mother city and those around it, and that you
may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party
shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire." (42:7)
Not I, but Allah Himself identifies the ==> "wahi" <== sent to Prophet
Muhammed as the Arabic Qur’an, as indicated by the words ==> auhaina_ ilaika
qur a_nan arabiy yan <==
"We revealed to you an Arabic Quran"
So the Qur'an confirmst that the Nabi also testifies as to what consists of the
"wahi" (revelation) that is sent to him, when he says:
"And this Quran has been revealed to me <u_hiya ilayya ha_zal qur'a_n> that
with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches" (6:19)
Bro u trapped urself in answering my question, wahi is what was revealed to him
u said... قطني ام the maa in Arabic is to make something general and its related to
speech and nutq, hence it covers everything the prophet speaks of, provided
evidence, if you still think there's a problem in calling the prophets speach wahi
then give evidence from Quran that its not, not from Hadith because to u it's not
important and the Quran is enough, or provide evidence from Hadith aswell, if
you say that the prophet saw don't write from me.. It dosent answer the question,
if you say the prophet erred... Won't answer it either cuz ur telling me why it can't
be wahi but not why Allah called it wahi, also then Allah erred in numerous
places... ANSWER MY QUESTION cuz ur about to get puzzled"
So you want me to give the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) from the Qur'an here you
have it. Its clear in the Qur'an we have internal evidence from the Qur’an it self
that testifies about what comprises the "wahi" that is revelation on the messenger
of Allah.
The above irrefutable evidence makes it as clear as the shining of the sun that the
human speech of Nabi
==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) <== is separate from ==> wahi/divine
revelations <== and that it is only the Qur’an which is the divine message
bestowed upon him by Allah.
~Khidr~
Check mate...
November 3 at 4:41am · Edited · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said,
Point 1
Your whole thing about "obeying" just substantiated our view that you're
supposed to obey Nabi (saw).
"Obey" is used in a general context. If you want to specify to a certain type of
obedience you'll need proof for that. Over and over again Allah is saying OBEY,
OBEY, OBEY. Show me one place where Allah is saying DO NOT OBEY the
messenger? Again you're sorta confused. For a min there I thought I was arguing
with the wrong guy.
Honestly I don't know what you're trying to prove from these ayahs. All you
mentioned was let's see how the word "obey" was used. Plz do clarify your exact
point cuz I'm definitely not picking it up.
"Further research will make it clear in the Qur’an that in the Book of Allah we
never read anywhere in the Quran words like "Obey God and obey Muhammad"
or obey Jesus, or obey Moses as I have shown earlier.
The words used are always "obey the messenger"."
As you said the Quran is an Explanation for its self. Allah says messenger and
also clarifies who the messenger is. How much explicit do you want it to get??
"This is to emphasize that it is the "message" of Allah that is to be obeyed and not
the personal words or views of the messenger. Again, the word Messenger is
derived from the word Message and if there was no message there would be no
messenger."
@Sammy,
Again, where does Allah says to 'Obey Nabi' Allah once again says 'OBEY THE
MESSENGER'. Prophet Muhammad was the first person to take a hold of the
revelation and follow its guidance, and this is how The Almighty instructed him:
“ittabi (Follow) ūḥiya (what is revealed) ilayka (to you) from your Lord… " 6/106
Another ayat Allah says, “wa-ittabiʿ (and follow) yūḥā (what is revealed) ilayka
(to you), and be patient…" 10/109
Again, Allah says, “wa-ittabiʿ (And follow) ma (what) yūḥā (is revealed) ilayka
(to you) from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant of everything you all do." 33/2
Allah says, “Once we recite it, fa-ittabiʿ *(then follow) its recitation." 75/18
“ Then We put you, on an ordained way concerning the matter; fa-ittabiʿ'hā (so
follow it) and do not tattabiʿ (follow) the inclinations of those who do not know."
45/18
Once again in Surah 33/1-3 Allah addresses Prophet Muhammad as
"Nabi/Prophet' which differentiated between hims as a 'Messenger' because even
Muhammad/the Prophet had to follow again what was revealed to him which was
the Message/the Qur'an.
“yāayyuhā Nabi (O you prophet), you shall reverence Allah and do not obey the
disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. wa-ittabiʿ (And
follow) what yūḥā (is revealed) to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant
of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah…".
So here we have the Nabi/Prophet who is Muhammad being told to obey/follow
what was revealed to him from his Lord. Your the confused one Sammy. I'm
clarifying what Allah is telling you. Allah does not say 'Obey Muhammad' if this
was the case then we would also be obeying ==> "Nataq-un-Nabi" (Speech of
Nabi) <== which is not Wahi/Divine Revelation which is the Qur'an.
the human speech is called the "Nataq-un-Nabi" (Speech of Nabi) as you believe
consist of Hadith so this is not the case in Qur'an. Obeying the Messenger means
to obey the message hence the Qur'an.
Allah makes it clear:
"And for every nation rasūlun (is a messenger). So when their messenger comes,
it will be judged between them in justice, and they will not be wronged." 10/47
"And how can you reject when Allah's revelations are being recited to you
wafīkum (and with you) rasūluhu (is His messenger) And whoever holds firmly to
Allah has been guided to the straight path." 3/101
"Muhammad is not the father of any one of you men; rasūla (he is the) Messenger
of Allah and the seal of the prophets: Allah knows everything." 33/40
"wamā (And not) muḥammadun (is Muhammad) but a messenger, like many
messengers that have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back
on your heels And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm Allah in the
least. And Allah will reward the thankful." 3/144
Also Allah says,
“We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed in accordance with Allah’s
will…" 4/64
So if this is the case that Allah did not send any messenger except to be
obeyed...do we suppose to also follow these messengers human speech of all of
the messengers as well besides the Divine Revelations given to them?
This is why every prophet went to his people as a messenger with a message with
which he used to speak to them, requesting them to obey him on the basis of this
message,
“I am an honest messenger to you. You shall reverence Allah and obey me…”
26:107/108, and 125/126, and 162/163.
Again, do we obey the human speech of each Prophet or do we obey them as a
Messenger which is obeying the message.
Allah says in Surah 3:31, “Say: “If ye do love Allah, ‘fa-ittabi’ūnī’ (then follow
me): Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving,
Most Merciful.”
Now, Allah says, “Say: “If ye do love Allah, ‘fa-ittabi’ūnī’ (then follow me)….”
Hence, to follow definitely does not mean follow the messenger in all his private
matters and hobbies or when he committed mistakes we do the same… and so on
and so on.
Allah makes it clear that the Prophet Muhammad was given a light that was sent
down with him and tells us to follow the light and if we follow it we will prosper.
Allah says,
“Those who ‘yattabi’ūna’ (follow) the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they
find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he
commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as
lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure);
He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon
them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, ‘wa-ittaba’ū’ (and
follow) nūra (the light) which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.”
Surah 7:157
Allah says clearly, “So those who believe in him and respect him and support him
and follow the light which was send down with him are the successful ones”.
Hence, the LIGHT that was sent down with him is the Book of Allah, the Qur’an
alone.
Now before we can ‘ittibaa’ the Prophet Muhammad we have to atwi’ou which
means to ‘obey’.
~Khidr~
October 30 at 5:17pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said,
"The Quran alone can not be guidance cuz not everything is clear cut in the
Quran. You need some1 to explain it. Going back to my point, if the very
messenger of Allah needed guidance despite the fact that he had the Quran what
makes you think that you won't err? Why didn't Nabi (saw) just refer back to the
Quran and make the right decision?"
@Sammy you said and I quote, "The Quran alone can not be guidance cuz not
everything is clear cut in the Quran"
Yet, the Qur'an refutes you entirely. The Qur'an tells the Prophets to follow the
guidance revealed to them.
In Surah 6:90 Allah says, “Those were the (prophets) who received Allah’s
guidance:
‘iq’tadih’ (follow) the guidance they received; Say: “No reward for this do I ask
of you: this is no less than a Message for the nations.”
It is clear that the path and the guidance we are to follow belong to no human
being separate from the message they bring from Allah and this is what we follow
that which the Prophets themselves were instructed to follow.
Prophet Muhammad was instructed to say, “Say:
“I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is
hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I but ‘attabi’u’ (follow) what is revealed to
me.” Say: “Can the blind be held equal to the seeing?” Will ye then consider not?
[6:50]
Prophet Muhammad again was instructed to say:
“Say, “I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen
to me or to you. I only ‘attabi’u’ (follow) what is revealed to me. I am no more
than a profound warner.” [46:9]
So here we have the Prophets including Muhammad being told to follow the
guidance and even Prophet Muhammad himself was told to say that he is no
different from other messengers and that he is only following what was revealed
to him.
Allah makes it clear:
“Say: “Allah’s guidance is THE Guidance” [2:120, 3:73, 6:71]
“You cannot guide whom you love. But it is Allah who guides whom He wills;
and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance. [28:56]
“You are not responsible for guiding anyone. Allah is the only one who guides
whomever chooses (to be guided). [2:272]
“Say, “I possess no power to harm you, or BENEFIT you through GUIDING
you.” [72:21]
If the Prophet Muhammad is told by Allah that even he could not guide whom he
loved only Allah guides then how about Prophet Muhammad's ==> Nataq-un-
Nabi" (Speech of Nabi <== some 1,400 years later?
Allah says that the Prophet Muhammad had no power to harm or benefit or
guiding any one.
“Allah has revealed aḥsana (the best) hadithi (narration) in the form of a Book,
consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of
those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do
soften to the celebration of Allah’s praises. Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah:
He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have
none to guide.” [39:23]
This is the only Hadith the Prophet Muhammad received:
"Allah has revealed aḥsana (the best) hadithi (narration) in the form of a Book,
consistent with itself..."
"Such is THE GUIDANCE of Allah"
The Qur'ana lone is the Best Hadith consistent of itself not the books of Hadith by
Persian Imams that are not consistent of themselves split between two groups
bickering over who has the authentic Hadith of the Prophet Muammad between
the Sunnis and the Shites. Both groups claim to have the Authentic Hadith yet
rejecting each other's authenticity.
“Indeed there has come to you from Allah nūrun (a Light) and a Clear Book. bihi
(With it) Allah guides whoever follows His good pleasure to the ways of peace
and brings them out from the darkness into the light by His permission: He guides
them onto a straight path.” [5:15-16]
Surah 5:15-16 says,
“Indeed there has come to you from Allah nūrun (a Light) and a Clear Book. bihi
(With it) Allah guides whoever ittabaʿa (follows) His good pleasure to the ways
of peace and brings them out from the darkness into the light by His
permission…” corresponds to Surah 7-157 Allah says,
“He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon
them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, ‘wa-ittaba’ū’ (and
follow) nūra (the light) which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.”
Surah 7:157IN
Again, the Qur'an contradicts you Sammy....
~Khidr~
October 30 at 5:30pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said,
Wait wait wait. Just b4 that you tried proving that its explanation is not needed
and now you're saying it is? And let's agree with you on this one. Plz explain how
exactly Allah has explained everything in the Quran? Where does He explain
salah, hajj, jihad, sawm and etc?
@Sammy,
Allah says,
" Lord, make us good Muslims (one who submits himself to God) and from our
descendants make a good Muslim nation. Teach us the rules of worship and
accept our repentance; You are All-forgiving and All-merciful. Our Lord![And]
raise up in them a Messenger from them yatlū (who will recite) ʿalayhim (to
them) āyātika (Your Verses) wayuʿallimuhumu (and will teach them) kitāba (the
Book) wal-ḥik'mata (and the wisdom) wayuzakkīhim
(and purify them)..." (2:129)
Hence, it is also an incontestable fact that the books of traditions called Hadith
that are upheld by varous sects and attributed to the messenger do not contain the
explanation of EACH AND EVERY AYAT of the Qur’an let me make myself
clear on this.
See, a true Sunni or Shia will attest that the Book of Allah, which is free from all
discrepancies, is clear and distinct in its meaning, is applicable in all times but
like you Sammy will say that this same book cannot guide without being
subjected to a body of literature that is contradictory and unreliable.
You Sunnis and Shites who don't agree with your authentic sources believes that
the Qur'an is subjected to man made books called Hadith that are:
1) incomplete,
2) contradictory with itself and established facts of science,
3) is accepted by one sect while rejected by the other, and
4) was compiled and collected by human beings who were not even present
during the period of Qur’anic revelation, but simply compiled there history by
heresy and conjecture.
What exists in those compilations are some ascribed paradoxical reports limited to
certain verses only. No book of tradition called Hadith contains the complete
commentary and explanation of the entire Qur’an from Surah Al-Fatiha, the first
chapter to Surah An-Naas, the last chapter, that it could attribute to the messenger
of Allah this is a fact. How does the Qur'an explain itself?
Allah says,
“…We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything…
(16:89),”
When we study the Qur’an it clears up what it has to clear up, and everything that
requires clarification and elucidation has been clarified and elucidated in the
Qur’an and not through some outside books called Hadith and Sunnah compiled
by Sahih Bukhari/Muslim and company.
And something which doesn’t require elucidation is in no need to be elucidated,
especially in a Book whose verses have been detailed from a Most Wise, Most
Cognizant.
“…We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and
guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters. (16:89)”.
Hence, the explanations of the Qur’an are a “guidance” for the believers who are
seeking guidance amongst a mass of ambiguity and uncertainty. The explanations
found in the Qur’an are also a “mercy” for the believers seeking guidance because
it makes known to him/her what was unknown, and it guarantees him/her security
and divine mercy as well as good news.
The details of the Qur’an are also connected to guidance and mercy.
Allah says,
“We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance,
and mercy for the people who believe. (7:52)”.
Allah informs us that His Book has been kept INDEPENDENT of all sorts of
traditions called Hadith for its exegesis, explanations by indicating that the Qur’an
is its own commentary. The Qur'an is not like an ordinary book, such that most
other books discuss a specific topic at one place and have their subjects compiled
and bifurcated
within specific chapters.
If we were to ascertain as to what Allah's Book says for example about the topic
of divorce we find verses dealing with the subject of divorce in Surah Al-Baqara
which is the second Surah (chapter) of the Qur'an, Surah Al Nisa the fourth
Chapter , then in Surah Al Ahzaab the thirty third chapter and further in Sura At
Tal'aaq which is the sixty fifth chapter of the Qur'an.
By compiling all the verses about the topic of divorce as discussed in all the
locations of the Qur'an we come to know what the Book of Allah has to say about
this subject. And we observe that each verse clarifies and explains the other. Just
like the Arabic words has various meanings and you have to study the ayats and
the context used throughout the Qur'an.
It is by this manner that Allah Himself has dealt with different subjects in His
Book, i.e. by repeating topics in various chapters throughout the Qur'an.
The manner of exegesis is <Tasreef ul Ayaat> or recurrence and repetition of
subjects within the Qur’anic verses, and it is by this method that the Book of
Allah deals with various topics and provides its own explanation. We are
reminded:
<unzur kaifa nusarriful a_ya_ti la'allahum yafqahu_n>
"See how nuṣarrifu (We explain) the verses that they may understand." (6:65)
~Khidr~
October 30 at 6:16pm · Like
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Khidr Amari <Wa laqad sarrafna_ lin na_si fi ha_zal qur'a_ni min kulli masal(in),
fa aba_ aksarun na_si illa_ kufu_ra>
"And certainly ṣarrafnā (We have explained) for mankind in this Quran, every
kind of similitude, but the majority of mankind do not consent to aught but
denying." (17:89)
"And thus do nuṣarrifu (We explain) the verses so the disbelievers will say, "You
have studied," walinubayyinahu (and so We may make it clear) for a people who
know..." 6/105
It is evident from the above that the messenger’s lectures on the Qur’an were
based on <tasreef_ul_ayat> and that is overstanding the ==> recurrence of Ayat
<== to clarify topics within the Qur’an. The messenger gave Dars ul Qur-an, by
this manner, and the Qur’an was clarified by the Qur’an itself.
Allah says,
“The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate
His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. (6:115)”.
The word of God has been made complete for us with the Qur’an, and none can
abrogate His word.
“If all the trees on earth were made into pens, and the ocean supplied the ink,
augmented by seven more oceans, the words of Allah would not run out…
(31:27)”.
The Allah commands us to follow the Qur’an with the exclusion of all else,
“This is My path - a straight one. You shall follow it, and do not follow any other
paths, lest they divert you from His path. These are His commandments to you,
that you may be saved. (6:153)”.
Allah has commanded us to follow the Qur’an, His Straight Path, and has
prohibited us from following any other paths so that the Muslims don’t become
divided and so that they don’t stray far from His Path. What Allah warned us
about has already happened, because the Muslims chose to believe in hadith
falsely between the Sunnis and Shites who attributed to the prophet Muhammad,
and they dispute over the chains of narration. The ‘science of hadith’ attempts to
amend those narrations and the chains of narration.
Its a historical FACT that the rules for hadith science were not developed or
classified until the early ==> 11th century <==, by
1) Al-Hakim (d.1014) who developed 52 categories, and then
2) Ibn al-Salah (d.1245) who developed 65 categories.
This was way late in the centuries the 11 century that is do you know how long
that took after the death of the Prophet in the 6th century.
Also irrefutable facts regardless if you are a Sunni or Shia claiming your Hadith is
authentic or your so called Science of Hadith is water proof the questions that
can’t be answered by either groups is:
1) Does Hadith provide the historical circumstances of each and every verse of
the Qur’an?
2) Is there only one consistent set of data available for this?
3) Does the whole Muslim Ummah have an un errant source for this material or
does every sect have its own version of “Asbaab ul nuzzul”?
What is the ‘Asbaab ul nuzzul’? It suppose to mean the causes of revelation and
historical backgrounds that are attributed to the revelation of verses, are known.
Allah makes it clear that its not upon the Prophet Muhammad to guide any one
basically the Prophet Muhammad COULD NOT GUIDE whom he desired to
guide. If this is the case then how could the Prophet' so called 'Sunnah' guide any
one?
"Not upon you hudāhum (is their guidance), but Allah yahdī (guides) whom He
wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not
except seeking Allah's Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be
repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged." 2/272
How can the Sunnah of Muhammad be the best of the guidance when Allah
clearly says that the Prophet Muhammad cannot guide. The Qur'an says that
Allah's GUIDANCE is the GUIDANCE OF ALLAH.
"Say: "And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow
their millatahum (creed). Say, "Indeed, hudā (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hudā
(IS THE GUIDANCE)." If you were to follow their desires after what has come
to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper." 2/120
"And do not trust except those who follow your dīnakum (way of conduct)." Say,
"Indeed, hudā (THE TRUE GUIDANCE) hudā (IS THE GUIDANCE) of Allah.
lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would
[thereby] argue with you before your Lord?" Say, "Indeed, [all] bounty is in the
hand of Allah - He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing
and Wise." 3/73
"Say, "Shall we invoke instead of Allah that which neither benefits us nor harms
us and be turned back on our heels after Allah has guided us? [We would then be]
like one whom the devils enticed [to wander] upon the earth confused, [while] he
has companions inviting him to guidance, [calling], 'Come to us.' " Say, "Indeed,
hudā (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hudā (IS THE GUIDANCE); and we have
been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds." 6/71
Allah has already said, “…and do not follow any other paths…”
~Khidr~
October 30 at 6:16pm · Like
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Sammy Hossain Ok let's say I agree with all that you have said. How exactly do I
act on the Quran now? What steps would I have to take and how should I conduct
my life?
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Khidr Amari Live the Quranic way of life implementing the Qur'an the Salaat,
Divine System in our lives all day every day.
Allah says in Surah 33/21
"Indeed, in the messenger of Allah us'watun ḥasanatun (a good example) has been
set for you for he who seeks Allah and the Last Day and thinks constantly about
Allah."
What about Prophet Ibrahim Allah tells us clearly,
"Indeed, there is for you us'watun ḥasanatun (a good example) in Ibrahim and
those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of
what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and enmity
and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah
alone-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask
forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on
Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming."
Also in Surah 60/6
"In them, indeed, you have us'watun ḥasanatun (a good example) for everyone
who looks forward to Allah and the Last Day. And if any turns away, Allah is
truly self-sufficient, the One to whom all praise is due."
Now Allah says that Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Ibrahim and his followers in
them we have us'watun hasanatun (a good example) so how can you put Prophet
Muhammad above any other Prophet of Allah.
Allah says,
"Then We inspired to you: "You shall ittabiʿ (follow) millata ibrahima (the way of
Ibrahim), ḥanīfan (upright), and he was not of those who set up partners." 16/123
The infinitive imla’ meaning ‘to dictate’, contains the notion of something which
is dictated from any divine or undivine, mighty or unmighty, holy or non-holy
source. The word milla in its religious sense means a way, a path, or a cult which
is dictated and presented by a divine or perhaps undivine leader or group. Both
cases have been exemplified in the Qur’an:
"Who would abandon millati ib'rāhīma (the creed of Ibrahim) except one who
fools himself? We have selected him in this world, and in the Hereafter, he is of
the reformers." 2/130
Again, Allah is instructing the Prophet Muhammad to call to the millata Ibrahim
(the way of Ibrahim):
"Say, " Allah has told the truth. fa-ittabiʿū (then follow) millata ibrahima (the way
of Ibrahim) inclining toward truth; and he was not of the polytheists." 3/95
"And who is fairer dīnan (in the way) of life than he who submitted his face to
Allah and he is one who is a doer of good wa-ittabaʿa (and follows) millata
ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim), ḥanīfan (upright)? And Allah took Ibrahim to
Himself khalīlan (as a friend)." 4/125
Prophet Yusuf abandoned millita (the way) of his people who didn't belief in
Allah along with rejecting the hereafter:
He said: "There is not any provision of food that will come to you except that I
will tell you of its interpretation before it comes. That is from what my Lord has
taught me. I have just left millata (the way) qawmin (of a people) who do not
believe in Allah, and they are rejecting the Hereafter." 12/37
Again and again we are told by Allah in His Book, the Qur'an to follow what, is it
the Sunnatu Rasoolulllah or the Millata Ibrahim? Prophet Yusuf tells them clearly
who he follows:
Allah says,
"wa-ittabaʿtu (And I follow) millata (the way) ābāī (of my fathers): ib'rāhīma,
Isaac, and Jacob. It was not for us to set up partners with God at all. That is
Allah's blessings over us and over the people, but most of the people are not
thankful." 12/38
All of the above ayats indicates that at Ibrahim’s milla as a divine path and or
way. Hence, since a divine path like that of Ibrahim was revealed and dictated by
Allah, it is called milla in the sense that it is a dictated path that should be
followed by the adherents of that divine dinan (manner of conduct). In either case,
milla in its divine sense is also attributed to the prophet or to the leader of a dinan
(system).
~Khidr~
October 30 at 6:46pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Now if you want specifics straight from Qur'an all we have to do is
study the Qur'an.
Allah instructs the Prophet Muhammad himself to say,
“ ‘Qul’ Say, ‘mā’ (not) ‘kuntu’ (I am) ‘bid'an’ (a new one) ‘mina’ (among) ‘l-
rusuli’ (the Messengers) I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only
follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9]
The Prophet Muhammad once again did not come with a new dinan/system or
'millata/way or sunnah'. The Prophet Muhammad only followed what was
revealed to him from his Lord which was the Qur'an alone.
How do we conduct our life ACCORDING TO THE QUR'AN ALONE?
1. Respect and honour all human beings irrespective of their religion, colour, race,
sex, language, status, property, birth, profession/job and so on [17/70]
2. Talk straight, to the point, without any ambiguity or deception [33/70]
3. Choose best words to speak and say them in the best possible way [17/53, 2/83]
4. Do not shout. Speak politely keeping your voice low. [31/19]
5. Always speak the truth. Shun words that are deceitful and ostentatious [22/30]
6. Do not confound truth with falsehood [2/42]
7. Say with your mouth what is in your heart [3/167]
8. Speak in a civilised manner in a language that is recognised by the society and
is commonly used [4/5]
9. When you voice an opinion, be just, even if it is against a relative [6/152]
10. Do not be a bragging boaster [31/18]
11. Do not talk, listen or do anything vain [23/3, 28/55]
12. Do not participate in any paltry. If you pass near a futile play, then pass by
with dignity [25/72]
13. Do not verge upon any immodesty or lewdness whether surreptitious or overt
[6/151].
14. If, unintentionally, any misconduct occurs by you, then correct yourself
expeditiously [3/134].
15. Do not be contemptuous or arrogant with people [31/18]
16. Do not walk haughtily or with conceit [17/37, 31/18]
17. Be moderate in thy pace [31/19]
18. Walk with humility and sedateness [25/63]
19. Keep your gazes lowered devoid of any lecherous leers and salacious stares
[24/30-31, 40/19].
20. If you do not have complete knowledge about anything, better keep your
mouth shut. You might think that speaking about something without full
knowledge is a trivial matter. But it might have grave consequences [24/15-16]
21. When you hear something malicious about someone, keep a favourable view
about him/her until you attain full knowledge about the matter. Consider others
innocent until they are proven guilty with solid and truthful evidence [24/12-13]
22. Ascertain the truth of any news, lest you smite someone in ignorance and
afterwards repent of what you did [49/6]
23. Do not follow blindly any information of which you have no direct
knowledge. (Using your faculties of perception and conception) you must verify it
for yourself. In the Court of your Lord, you will be held accountable for your
hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning [17/36].
24. Never think that you have reached the final stage of knowledge and nobody
knows more than yourself. Remember! Above everyone endowed with knowledge
is another endowed with more knowledge [12/76]. Even the Prophet [p.b.u.h] was
asked to keep praying, "O My sustainer! Advance me in knowledge." [20:114]
25. The believers are but a single Brotherhood. Live like members of one family,
brothers and sisters unto one another [49/10].
26. Do not make mockery of others or ridicule others [49/11]
27. Do not defame others [49/11]
28. Do not insult others by nicknames [49/11]
29. Avoid suspicion and guesswork. Suspicion and guesswork might deplete your
communal energy [49/12]
30. Spy not upon one another [49/12]
31. Do not backbite one another [49/12]
32. When you meet each other, offer good wishes and blessings for safety. One
who conveys to you a message of safety and security and also when a courteous
greeting is offered to you, meet it with a greeting still more courteous or (at least)
of equal courtesy [4/86]
33. When you enter your own home or the home of somebody else, compliment
the inmates [24/61]
34. Do not enter houses other than your own until you have sought permission;
and then greet the inmates and wish them a life of blessing, purity and pleasure
[24/27]
35. Treat kindly
-Your parents
-Relatives
-The orphans
-And those who have been left alone in the society [4/36]
36. Take care of
-The needy,
-The disabled
-Those whose hard earned income is insufficient to meet their needs
-And those whose businesses have stalled
-And those who have lost their jobs. [4/36]
37. Treat kindly
-Your related neighbours, and unrelated neighbours
-Companions by your side in public gatherings, or public transportation. [4/36]
38. Be generous to the needy wayfarer, the homeless son of the street, and the one
who reaches you in a destitute condition [4/36]
39. Be nice to people who work under your care. [4/36]
40. Do not follow up what you have given to others to afflict them with reminders
of your generosity [2/262].
41. Do not expect a return for your good behaviour, not even thanks [76/9]
42. Cooperate with one another in good deeds and do not cooperate with others in
evil and bad matters [5/2]
43. Do no try to impress people on account of self-proclaimed virtues [53/32]
44. You should enjoin right conduct on others but mend your own ways first.
Actions speak louder than words. You must first practice good deeds yourself,
then preach [2/44]
45. Correct yourself and your families first [before trying to correct others] [66/6]
46. Pardon gracefully if anyone among you who commits a bad deed out of
ignorance, and then repents and amends [6/54, 3/134]
47. Divert and sublimate your anger and potentially virulent emotions to creative
energy, and become a source of tranquillity and comfort to people [3/134]
48. Call people to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful exhortation.
Reason with them most decently [16/125]
49. Leave to themselves those who do not give any importance to the Divine code
and have adopted and consider it as mere play and amusement [6/70]
50. Sit not in the company of those who ridicule Divine Law unless they engage
in some other conversation [4/140]
51. Do not be jealous of those who are blessed [4/54]
52. In your collective life, make rooms for others [58/11]
53. When invited to dine, Go at the appointed time. Do not arrive too early to wait
for the preparation of meal or linger after eating to engage in bootless babble.
Such things may cause inconvenience to the host [33/53]
54. Eat and drink [what is lawful] in moderation [7/31].
55. Do not squander your wealth senselessly [17/26]
56. Fulfil your promises and commitments [17/34]
57. Keep yourself clean, pure [9/108, 4/43, 5/6].
58. Dress-up in agreeable attire and adorn yourself with exquisite character from
inside out [7/26]
59. Seek your provision only by fair endeavour [29/17, 2/188]
60. Do not devour the wealth and property of others unjustly, nor bribe the
officials or the judges to deprive others of their possessions [2/188]
~Khidr~
October 30 at 6:51pm · Edited · Like
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Sammy Hossain But what about jihad? That's clearly mentioned. How could I
know its exact rulings?
What bout the command of salah, zakah, sawm and hajj?
Everything you've said is mentioned in detail in hadith. So how would I be
contradicting any of that if I had to follow hadith?
October 30 at 6:56pm via mobile · Like
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Sammy Hossain What exactly is zina? What is riba?
October 30 at 6:57pm via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain have you read the Qur'an about what Allah says
about Jihad, Salaat, Zakat, Sawm, Hajj, Zina and riba? The Qur'an needs no
explanation outside of Allah's Book.
October 30 at 7:00pm · Edited · Like
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Khidr Amari You said the Hadith has the detail I will disagree the Hadith
contradict itself especially from Sunnis and Shites point of view and the Hadith
from both groups does not explain the entire Qur'an.
October 30 at 7:01pm · Like
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Khidr Amari The problem is you haven't studied and gave the Qur'an the time as
you have done with Hadith. Its no wonder Allah's Messenger will say on that day,
"And the Messenger has said, "O Lord! Surely my people have taken to
themselves this Qur'an as a thing to be forsaken." 25/30
October 30 at 7:04pm · Like · 2
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Delwar Hossain I was Sunni and have returned to the quran alone. The following
note that I compiled after that, explain why I think the quran is sole source, and
hadith and siras are just raw material of history's study.
The source of Islam is the quran alone:
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=306183099488788
October 30 at 7:15pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Sammy Hossain Sammy Hossain have you read the Qur'an about what Allah says
about Jihad, Salaat, Zakat, Sawm, Hajj, Zina and riba? The Qur'an needs no
explanation outside of Allah's Book.
No I haven't plz enlighten me.
What about the concept of worship? How are we supposed to worship Allah?
And as you have said b4 that Nabi (saw) is a example for us. So shouldn't an
example be followed?
And what you've mentioned only covers a portion of a persons life where as Islam
is complete. Allah says I have completed this deen.
So what about all the fine aspects of life? Where do we turn to guidance for all
that?
October 30 at 7:31pm via mobile · Like
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Sammy Hossain And btw why is it that we've only understood the Quran and
deen now? After soo long? What happened to every1 b4 us that prevented them
from understanding it as you have
October 30 at 7:32pm via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain if you haven't read the Qur'an that is your problem
not mines.
October 30 at 7:40pm · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Sammy decided to drop that one now lol... It's all good there's
still more.. Lol
October 30 at 8:01pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan He will never be able to answer our questions
October 30 at 8:01pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr look back at my question an look what answer u gave, ur
telling me his speech can't be wahi because he erred in some places... My question
to u is why did Allah call it wahi???
October 30 at 8:07pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan On one hand ur saying only Quran. Only Quran only Quran,
then one Quran says something ur rejecting it.. U know how they say its not how
much u love a girl that matters, what matters is if she lives u back or not, your
example is of that guy but I'm sorry even the Quran is not supporting you, how
low can u drop urself?
October 30 at 8:13pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan SO PLEASE ANSWER My unanswered questions...
October 30 at 8:14pm via mobile · Like
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Sammy Hossain I'm asking you to show me cuz I'm unaware of what the Quran
says about salah etc.
Btw gimme the link to your info
October 30 at 8:19pm · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Also khidr, can u tell me the version of that Quran u read, cuz
we read the one where it starts with Fatiha and Surah baqarah and ends with naas..
If that's how ur Quran looks then wasn't Surah alaq first hence u should be reading
that first, in everything u take from Hadith urself but wanna discard it, so 2
questions for u so far besides sammis 1: why QURAN calls it wahi 2: what
version of the Quran do U read cuz the popular qurans surahs order was not set by
Allah...??
October 30 at 8:20pm via mobile · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari lol you both Sammy Hossain and Mufti Taha Khan are failing
miserably to defend your doctrine.
October 30 at 8:49pm · Like
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Khidr Amari I have answered your pointless question Allah differentiates beteeen
the speech of the Nabi and the wahi/divine revelation you haven't been able to
refute what I have said.
October 30 at 8:50pm · Like
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Khidr Amari If you are unware of what the Qur'an says about Salaat then Sammy
Hossain read the Qur'an.
October 30 at 8:50pm · Like
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Khidr Amari I read the Qur'an Mufti Taha Khan don't worry about what
translation I read from or how much Arabic I know.
October 30 at 8:51pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Where is your proof Mufti Taha Khan that the Speech of the Nabi is
Wahi, meaning Hadith. Show one ayat that the Prophet Muhammad received the
Qur'an and Hadith or Sunnah...
October 30 at 8:52pm · Like
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Sammy Hossain You're avoiding my question. I'm asking you what does it say
about salah etc? The only thing I can remember is establish salah.
And no we are not failing miserably. You've just managed to either avoid or twist
a bunch of thing around and claim victory.
October 30 at 8:56pm · Like
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Khidr Amari See Sammy Hossain again you want to bombard me with questions
and once I answer them more questions it doens't work that way.
October 30 at 8:58pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Answer my questions
PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF
THE FOLLOWING:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
October 30 at 8:59pm · Like
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Sammy Hossain I'm sure I've answered those and you helped me substantiate my
view by presenting all those ayahs and then later on twisting up their clear
meanings for your vested interests.
But anyways, what I'd really like to know is that why did it take us so long to
figure the correct version of Islam?
October 30 at 9:01pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain you have not answered one point
October 30 at 9:04pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain
I know you wish you can if you ask me to show you where Millata Ibrahim is
located this is what clear proof is:
"Then We revealed to you, to ittabiʿ (follow) millata ibrahima (the creed of
Ibrahim), ḥanīfan (upright) and he was not of those who associate with Allah."
16/123
"sunnata (That is Our way) for those We had sent before you of Our messengers;
and you will not find lisunnatinā (in Our way) any alteration." 17/77
"sunnata lahi ( This is the established way of Allah) which has occurred before.
And never will you find lisunnati lahi (in the way of Allah) tabdīlan (any
change)." 48/23
Here we have Millta Ibrahim mention by NAME and we have Sunnatu Allah
mention by NAME. Why can't you do the same for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or
Sunnah of Muhammad or Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)?
October 30 at 9:16pm · Edited · Like
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Sammy Hossain What do you mean why I can't do the same? I'm not
understanding your question to be honest
October 30 at 9:18pm via mobile · Like
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Rehaan Waseem This guy just runs and hides and diverts conversations just like
all the other hadith rejectors. Once he gets cornered, he just refuses to answer.
You can see that from both of my posts
October 30 at 9:22pm via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain the simple question is easy...
If you saying that the Prophet Muhammad received revelations other than Qur'an
such as Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi or Sunnatu Rasoolullah then produce the
clear ayat telling us:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
Now I made it clear in terms of what I'm asking you to present or produce. Allah
says if you speak the truth produce the evidence. Where is your evidence from
Qur'an. If I said Allah mentions the millata Ibrahim and tells us throughout the
Qur'an to follow it I can produce the ayat:
"Then We revealed to you, to ittabiʿ (follow) millata ibrahima (the creed of
Ibrahim), ḥanīfan (upright) and he was not of those who associate with Allah."
16/123
If I say that Allah mentions His Sunnah throughout the Qur'an yes Sunnah is
mention but it belongs to Allah I can produce the ayat:
"sunnata (That is Our way) for those We had sent before you of Our messengers;
and you will not find lisunnatinā (in Our way) any alteration." 17/77
"sunnata lahi ( This is the established way of Allah) which has occurred before.
And never will you find lisunnati lahi (in the way of Allah) tabdīlan (any
change)." 48/23
So again, here we have Millta Ibrahim mention by NAME and we have Sunnatu
Allah mention by NAME. Why can't you do the same for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or
Sunnah of Muhammad or Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)?
October 30 at 9:22pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Why does Allah play a mystery game with the Prophet's Sunnah not
mentioned at all yet we have to figure it out and say 'obey the messenger' or
'follow the example' bla bla bla why can't you just produce one clear ayat telling
us to follow the Sunnatu Rasoolullah or believe in the Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of
Nabi) as Divine Revelation? Does Allah run out of words?
October 30 at 9:24pm · Like
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Sammy Hossain You've mentioned is earlier on. "Verily there is beautiful
example for you in the messenger of Allah"
October 30 at 9:27pm via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain again does this mean that the example of the
Prophet is not found in the Best Hadith, the Qur'an? Or should I put down the
Qur'an and go pick up tons of volumes of contridictory Hadith between Sunnis
and Shites.
October 30 at 9:30pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Is not this beautiful pattern not found in the Qur'an?
October 30 at 9:31pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain let us not jump ship back to my previous post:
uswatun hasanah/excellent example does not say to follow Nataq-un-Nabi”
(Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah.
Sammy Hossain the simple question is easy...
If you saying that the Prophet Muhammad received revelations other than Qur'an
such as Nataq-un-Nabi (Speech of Nabi or Sunnatu Rasoolullah then produce the
clear ayat telling us:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
Now I made it clear in terms of what I'm asking you to present or produce. Allah
says if you speak the truth produce the evidence. Where is your evidence from
Qur'an. If I said Allah mentions the millata Ibrahim and tells us throughout the
Qur'an to follow it I can produce the ayat:
"Then We revealed to you, to ittabiʿ (follow) millata ibrahima (the creed of
Ibrahim), ḥanīfan (upright) and he was not of those who associate with Allah."
16/123
If I say that Allah mentions His Sunnah throughout the Qur'an yes Sunnah is
mention but it belongs to Allah I can produce the ayat:
"sunnata (That is Our way) for those We had sent before you of Our messengers;
and you will not find lisunnatinā (in Our way) any alteration." 17/77
"sunnata lahi ( This is the established way of Allah) which has occurred before.
And never will you find lisunnati lahi (in the way of Allah) tabdīlan (any
change)." 48/23
So again, here we have Millta Ibrahim mention by NAME and we have Sunnatu
Allah mention by NAME. Why can't you do the same for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or
Sunnah of Muhammad or Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)?
October 30 at 9:34pm · Like
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Sammy Hossain Its not. "Beautiful example" is left general. So that means an
example for everything. From waking up in the morning to using the bathroom.
Can you show me that in the Quran?
There are no contradictions in Hadith. Sunnis and shias are totally different. You
can not compare the two.
October 30 at 9:36pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari "And who turns away from millati ibrahima (the creed of Ibrahim)
except him who befools himself? Truly, We chose him in this world and verily, in
the Hereafter he will be among the righteous." 2/130
Again, Sammy Hossain this does not answer the question at all. You can't use
==> uswatun hasanah/excellent example <== to say this mean to follow the
Sunnah. You are INFERRING, ASSUMING based upon no clear evidence.
Allah says in Surah 33/21
"Indeed, in the messenger of Allah us'watun ḥasanatun (a good example) has been
set for you for he who seeks Allah and the Last Day and thinks constantly about
Allah."
What about Prophet Ibrahim Allah tells us clearly once again Prophet Ibrahim is
mentioned by NAME as millata Ibrahim and also having uswatun
hasana/excellent example:
"Indeed, there is for you us'watun ḥasanatun (a good example) in Ibrahim and
those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of
what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and enmity
and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah
alone-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask
forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on
Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming."
Also in Surah 60/6
"In them, indeed, you have us'watun ḥasanatun (a good example) for everyone
who looks forward to Allah and the Last Day. And if any turns away, Allah is
truly self-sufficient, the One to whom all praise is due."
Now Allah says that Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Ibrahim and his followers in
them we have us'watun hasanatun (a good example) so how can you put Prophet
Muhammad above any other Prophet of Allah.
Let us go a bit deeper its amazing how you say the Prophet Muhammad is the best
example yet you can't produce one ayat telling us to follow the Sunnatu
Rasoolullah/Sunnah of the Messenger of the Sunnah of Muhammad.
Yet, Allah informs us that Prophet Muhammad was instructed to follow who, the
Millata Ibrahim. Now why is this a problem for those who seem to want to
worship Muhammad? Why is the Prophet Muhammad being instructed to follow
another Prophet of Allah?
This is clear that Prophet Muhammad did not bring anything new of his own.
Why is the Millata Ibrahim mentioned throughout the Qur'an and not one time
does Allah mention in a clear ayat to follow the Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Sunnah of
the Messenger or Sunnah of Muhammad?
Allah says,
"Then We inspired to you: "You shall ittabiʿ (follow) millata ibrahima (the way of
Ibrahim), ḥanīfan (upright), and he was not of those who set up partners." 16/123
The infinitive imla’ meaning ‘to dictate’, contains the notion of something which
is dictated from any divine or undivine, mighty or unmighty, holy or non-holy
source. The word milla in its religious sense means a way, a path, or a cult which
is dictated and presented by a divine or perhaps undivine leader or group. Both
cases have been exemplified in the Qur’an:
"Who would abandon millati ib'rāhīma (the creed of Ibrahim) except one who
fools himself? We have selected him in this world, and in the Hereafter, he is of
the reformers." 2/130
Again, Allah is instructing the Prophet Muhammad to call to the millata Ibrahim
(the way of Ibrahim):
"Say, " Allah has told the truth. fa-ittabiʿū (then follow) millata ibrahima (the way
of Ibrahim) inclining toward truth; and he was not of the polytheists." 3/95
"And who is fairer dīnan (in the way) of life than he who submitted his face to
Allah and he is one who is a doer of good wa-ittabaʿa (and follows) millata
ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim), ḥanīfan (upright)? And Allah took Ibrahim to
Himself khalīlan (as a friend)." 4/125
Prophet Yusuf abandoned millita (the way) of his people who didn't belief in
Allah along with rejecting the hereafter:
He said: "There is not any provision of food that will come to you except that I
will tell you of its interpretation before it comes. That is from what my Lord has
taught me. I have just left millata (the way) qawmin (of a people) who do not
believe in Allah, and they are rejecting the Hereafter." 12/37
Again and again we are told by Allah in His Book, the Qur'an to follow what, is it
the Sunnatu Rasoolulllah or the Millata Ibrahim? Prophet Yusuf tells them clearly
who he follows:
Allah says,
"wa-ittabaʿtu (And I follow) millata (the way) ābāī (of my fathers): ib'rāhīma,
Isaac, and Jacob. It was not for us to set up partners with God at all. That is
Allah's blessings over us and over the people, but most of the people are not
thankful." 12/38
All of the above ayats indicates that at Ibrahim’s milla as a divine path and or
way. Hence, since a divine path like that of Ibrahim was revealed and dictated by
Allah, it is called milla in the sense that it is a dictated path that should be
followed by the adherents of that divine dinan (manner of conduct). In either case,
milla in its divine sense is also attributed to the prophet or to the leader of a dinan
(system).
Thus, milla in its most elementary concept is employed to mean path, rite or
system itself, as it may be applicable to people who follow that rite or way.Allah
instructs us to struggle in His way, and also from Allah Himself tells us that our
millatat (the way) is the way of our father Ibrahim. Thus, people are requested to
recognize and practice the divine way of the prophet Ibrahim:
Allah says,
"And struggle for Allah in a true struggling. He elected you and made not for you
in your way of life any impediment. It is millata abīkum ib'rāhīma (the way of
your father Ibrahim). He named you mus'limīna (the ones who submit) to Allah
before and in this Recitation that the Messenger be a witness over you and you are
witnesses over humanity. So perform the formal prayer and give the purifying
alms and cleave firmly to Allah. He is your Defender. How excellent a Defender
and how excellent a Helper!" 22/78
"Say, ‘My Lord hadānī (has guided me) to ṣirāṭin (a path) mus'taqīmin (straight),
dīnan (system) qiyaman (correct) millata ib'rāhīma (the way of Ibrahim), ḥanīfan
(upright). He was not a polytheist." 6/161
Again and and again Prophet Ibrahim is mentioned by NAME where is this
Sunnatu Rasoolullah?
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Khidr Amari Oh yes I can compare both SECTS claim to follow the authentic
Hadith and Sunnah yet both SECTS rejects each others authenticity. Both sects
are confused about their narrations yet we have one man, Prophet Muhammad
with a clear DIVISION over who he was and what he left.
October 30 at 9:47pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Does Allah run out of words?
October 30 at 9:51pm · Like
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Khidr Amari The Prophet Muhammad once again did not come with a new
dinan/system or 'millata/way or sunnah'. The Prophet Muhammad only followed
what was revealed to him from his Lord which was the Qur'an alone. The Prophet
Muhammad also followed the Millata Ibrahim and did not come with a Sunnah of
his own.
October 30 at 9:55pm · Edited · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain said, Its not. "Beautiful example" is left general. So
that means an example for everything. From waking up in the morning to using
the bathroom. Can you show me that in the Quran? There are no contradictions in
Hadith. Sunnis and shias are totally different. You can not compare the two.
@Sammy,
What does it mean to ‘ittibaa/follow?’ Does ‘ittibaa/follow mean to follow the
messenger in all his
1) private matters and
2) hobbies
Does ittibaa/follow mean to follow the messenger when he committed mistakes
and we should do the same and so on?
Some Muslims have been indoctrinated to believe that ‘Obey the Messenger’
means to follow Hadith of Sahih Bukhari and company and I know it’s hard to
digest this.
“He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80]
I cannot imagine for one second that a great man like the Prophet Muhammad
went around telling people to literally be like him in his personal life.
Would Allah send any Prophet to tell his people to:
1) to look him,
2) act like him,
3) dress like him,
4) think like him,
4) eat like him,
5) sleep like him,
6) drink like him,
7) urinate like him
make love like him
9) stand like him
10 walk like him
11) brush our teeth like him
12) take off our shoes like him
Is this not extreme to obey a human being when Allah tells us not to make any
distinctions from His Prophets? Allah says no Prophet would come and say be a
worshiper but they would call to the worship of Allah. We are told not to make
any distinctions between Allah's Prophets:
“The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the
men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and
His apostles. "We make no ‘nufarriqu’ (distinction) between one and another of
His (Allah's) apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy
forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." [2:285]
“Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham,
Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that
given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no ‘nufarriqu’ (distinction)
between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." [2:136]
“ ‘Qul’ Say, ‘mā’ (not) ‘kuntu’ (I am) ‘bid'an’ (a new one) ‘mina’ (among) ‘l-
rusuli’ (the Messengers) I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only
follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9]
Honestly, we have to ask ourselves does Allah truly want us to be exactly like the
Prophet Muhammad? Sitting on the toiled, eating with our right hand, walking in
the masjid with our right foot?
Is this what Allah wants from us?
Even Allah Himself says that piety is not turning one's face to the east or the west
(i.e. outward actions) but piety is to be a believer, to be kind, charitable, patient
etc.
October 30 at 10:07pm · Edited · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr I answered from Quran, on the other u should haveproof
from Quran saying his speech is not wahi! If you don't have proof please don't
open ur mouth, like the Quran says then give ur proof if u are truthful... So what's
ur proof???
Secondly u said don't worry what version I read totally trying to ignore my
question, coward running away when his butts on fire? This is a debate bro what u
mean don't worry?!?!?!?
October 30 at 10:59pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Up until now u haven't answered my questions, what's ur proof
that Allah didn't call prophets speech wahi, I gave mine from Quran directly that
what the prophets speaks of his wahi. What's ur proof bro???? And secondly
what's the first Surah in the Quran u read and what's the last Surah?
October 30 at 11:01pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Please answer my question and don't tell me don't worry about
it, cuz if u do intellectuals consider that a defeat!
October 30 at 11:02pm via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari 66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made
lawful for you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made
lawful was this wahi?
October 30 at 11:28pm · Like
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Khidr Amari I been answered and refuted your questions a wow ago now answer
my question.
October 30 at 11:29pm · Like
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Sammy Hossain Here's something I advice you read. It'll help you clear out all
your cobwebs.
http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/asunnah1.htm
Btw I'd like the link to where you get all your info.
The Authority of Sunnah
www.central-mosque.com
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain I rather think for myself thank you very much.
October 30 at 11:56pm · Like
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Sammy Hossain Here's another one. Consider it a bonus.
http://www.muftisays.com/forums/the-true-salaf-as-saliheen/6652/-ruling-on-
those-who-reject-ahadith.html
Muftisays Islamic Forums :: Ruling On Those Who Reject Ahadith
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Khidr Amari I advise you to read this one HADITH A RE-EVALUATION By
Kassim Ahmad
http://www.barry-baker.com/Articles/documents/HADITH.pdf
October 31 at 12:00am · Like
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Sammy Hossain Mmmm is that what you read? I though u preferred to think for
yourself?
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Sammy Hossain Btw is that your main source? Cuz if its not then I'd like the link
to your main source.
October 31 at 12:06am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan I answered ur question long time ago, where ever Allah corrects
the Nabi, what the prophet saw said that time was not wahi, what ever the prophet
said and Allah did not refute it is wahi
October 31 at 12:07am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan My question: Allah made mistakes too, first he says something
and then he says no it's this way, I can give u 10 plus examples, so is the Quran
reliable to u now or it's not.. I'm using the same example cuz u said the prophet
made mistakes so he is not reliable, so my question is that allah made mistakes to,
now is the Quran still reliable to u?
October 31 at 12:12am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari You give me i give you back I have read the Qur'an thoroughly for
myself
October 31 at 12:12am · Like
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Khidr Amari lol nah my main sourse is the Best Hadith, The Qur'an
October 31 at 12:12am · Like
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Khidr Amari Can you please answer my question....the Prophet made something
unlawful so as Allah says:
66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for
you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made
lawful was this wahi why did Allah correct him in the Divine Revelation ==>
Wahi <== given to him?
October 31 at 12:14am · Edited · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan I can also prove that the Quran apparently contradicts itself, in
one place Allah says he created the sky before earth, while in another place he
says he created the earth before the sky? I'm saying this cuz u said the Hadith
contradicts itself, so with all this is the Quran reliable or not??????
October 31 at 12:16am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Why or why not!?
October 31 at 12:16am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Answer my question Mufti Taha Khan
66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for
you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made
lawful was this wahi?
October 31 at 12:17am · Like
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Khidr Amari Yes or no
October 31 at 12:17am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Are u blind, scroll up and see the answer, no answer my
question!
October 31 at 12:18am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Till now u haven't answered ANY of my questions!
October 31 at 12:19am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So answer my question now
October 31 at 12:19am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan That the Quran contradicts itself and he keeps changing what he
said, I'm using ur logic, so is the Quran reliable to u or not?
October 31 at 12:21am via mobile · Like
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Sammy Hossain There's still one last question I had which you haven't answered.
If this message is so clear indeed then why did we only stumble upon it a 100 yrs
ago? What happened to the companions of the prophet. What about every1 after
that?
Another thing I'd like to ask is that, considering your statement of Nabi (saw)
speech not being wahi and that it is not any sort of substantial proof, then why
even believe him in the first place? How do we know that Nabi (saw) has actually
given us the entire Quran? What if He threw in a verse of two of His own?
And plz, I'd like straight answers. Not a bunch of ayahs and then have me figure
out exactly what it is that you're trying to say.
October 31 at 12:32am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, I can also prove that the Quran apparently
contradicts itself, in one place Allah says he created the sky before earth, while in
another place he says he created the earth before the sky? I'm saying this cuz u
said the Hadith contradicts itself, so with all this is the Quran reliable or not??????
Mufti, you haven't answered my question also you claim the Qur'an contradicts
itself you need to seriously consider reevaluating your belief.
October 31 at 12:33am · Like
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Khidr Amari Remember Mufti you said:
"Khidr I answered from Quran, on the other u should haveproof from Quran
saying his speech is not wahi! If you don't have proof please don't open ur mouth,
like the Quran says then give ur proof if u are truthful... So what's ur proof???
Secondly u said don't worry what version I read totally trying to ignore my
question, coward running away when his butts on fire? This is a debate bro what u
mean don't worry?!?!?!?"
So you have not answered my question you wanted me to have proof from Qur'an
about his speech/action not being WAHI so there you have it.
Can you please answer my question....the Prophet made something unlawful so as
Allah says:
66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for
you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made
lawful was this wahi why did Allah correct him in the Divine Revelation ==>
Wahi <== given to him?
October 31 at 12:35am · Edited · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan I answered ur question.. Scroll up... Now Allah also contradicts
himself also he changes things like first pray to Jerusalem then sorry turn to the
Kaaba and many more.. So is the Quran reliable to u with all this?
October 31 at 12:38am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan you have not answered any of my questions what
games are you playing?
October 31 at 12:55am · Like
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Khidr Amari You saying the Qur'an contradicts itself you have problems with
your belief....answer my question...
October 31 at 12:56am · Like
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Khidr Amari Can you please answer my question....the Prophet made something
unlawful so as Allah says:
66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for
you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Mufti Taha Khan Allah said that the Prophet made unlawful what Allah made
lawful was this wahi why did Allah correct him in the Divine Revelation ==>
Wahi <== given to him?
October 31 at 12:56am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Lemme answer again, wherever Allah corrected him like this
ayah u mentioned was not wahi, but Allah guided his prophet to what was right
and that was the end of it, everything Else Allah didn't correct is wahi, the proof
for that is that Allah simply didn't correct him elsewhere, if all was rubbish what
prophet was sayin and Allah didn't correct it, then Allah did not do his job
correctly, he could have corrected him while he was making mistakes, also
another proof is that with those errors Allah never told the prophet to shut up or
stop talking!
October 31 at 1:04am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Now don't say I never answered, read it carefully
October 31 at 1:04am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Now answer my question buddy, Allah apparently contradicts
himself. He says he created the earth before the sky, then in Surah naziat he says
he created the sky before the earth? Isn't this a clear contradiction! Then also he
says face here then he says no face Kaaba? So is this Devine revelation acceptable
to u or not?
October 31 at 1:09am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So again my answer is ontop of this comment, and my question
follows here, for Allan's sake don't say I never answered..
October 31 at 1:10am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Hold on Mufti Taha Khan
Remember FIRST Mufti you said:
"Khidr I answered from Quran, on the other u should haveproof from Quran
saying his speech is not wahi! If you don't have proof please don't open ur mouth,
like the Quran says then give ur proof if u are truthful... So what's ur proof???
Now Mufti says:
Lemme answer again, wherever Allah corrected him like this ayah u mentioned
was not wahi, but Allah guided his prophet to what was right and that was the end
of it, everything Else Allah didn't correct is wahi, the proof for that is that Allah
simply didn't correct him elsewhere, if all was rubbish what prophet was sayin
and Allah didn't correct it, then Allah did not do his job correctly, he could have
corrected him while he was making mistakes, also another proof is that with those
errors Allah never told the prophet to shut up or stop talking!
@Mufti,
So now Mufti ADMITS that everything the Prophet said WAS NOT Wahi/Divine
Revelation. This here along proves my point. Regardless if Allah guided the
Prophet to what was right that is not what is in dispute. Point is Mufti, you said
that I should have proof from Qur'an to prove that his personal speech or
everything the Prophet said and did was not ALWAYS according to Wahi/Divine
Revelation.
Another example:
9:43 Allah pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to
you who are truthful, and who are lying?
Again, Allah correct the Prophet for him given them leave before it became clear
that they were hypocrites this was not according to wahi/Divine Revelation.
"Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an)
is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that
believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may
obtain mercy." (7:203-204)
See we see from the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) that whatever Nabi spoke was not
revelation, as otherwise Allah would not have identified this aspect when He says:
<Wa iza_ lam ta'tihim bi a_yatin> "
"And when thou bringest not a verse for them"
If everything spoken by Nabi were revelation Allah would never have said the
above as everything uttered by Nabi would have then already be revelations from
Allah. Also notice in verse 203, it is confirmed that whatever Nabi spoke again
dealing with the ==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) <== was not revelation
why because in verse 204, it is being urged that when the Qur’an is being recited
then it should be listened to attentively, thus indicating that it is the Qur’an which
is the only revelation of Allah.
Why not study the Qur'an carefully? We have in Surah At-Tahrim, it is mentioned
that Nabi made something
prohibited on himself, which Allah had made permissible. Does this sound like
wahi ==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) <==
Allah says
"O Nabi! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you;
you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (66:1)
In the above ayat again confirms that whatever Nabi did or acted upon was not
entirely revelation, but he also acted upon his own initiative, otherwise the
admonition from Allah would not have come in which it is said:
<lima tuhar rimu ma_ ahal lal la_hu laka>
"why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you"
From the Qur'an and from Mufti admitting the truth we have the Bayyinat (Clear
Evidence) that the Nabi also made decisions on ==> his own and acted on his own
<== initiative at times instead of the revelation of Allah, and thus proves that all
the decisions and actions of Nabi and the ==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)
<== were not "wahi" or revelation of Allah.
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr, ur missing the point that Allah corrected him, a builder
constructs a highway, it breaks in the middle, someone else fixes it, according to
intellectuals the highway is complete, according to u it's not!
October 31 at 1:30am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Are u on a bed in the mental hospital typing all this?
October 31 at 1:31am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Again I answered the question, please do tell me what I didn't
answer
October 31 at 1:32am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan PLEASE answer my question now,
October 31 at 1:32am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Is the Quran reliable to you or not with the same type of errors
Allah made?
October 31 at 1:32am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Don't run from our questions
October 31 at 1:33am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan The same errors the prophet made*
October 31 at 1:34am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan your missing the point EVERYTHING the
Prophet said and did was not ALWAYS according to Wahi/Divine Revelation.
October 31 at 1:37am · Like
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Khidr Amari That is why were are not suppose to follow the personal Nataq-un-
Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) but the when he spoke the Wahi/Divine Revelation from
Allah is what we are suppose to obey and follow which was the Qur'an.
October 31 at 1:38am · Like
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Khidr Amari You asked me for proof I proved it
October 31 at 1:38am · Like
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Khidr Amari There are not ERRORS in Qur'an.
October 31 at 1:39am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr. There are way over a billion ahadith, the prophet makes
about 10 errors that Allah CORRECTED, but now even u believe that the rest
where Allah didn't say anything about or didn't correct is wahi!
October 31 at 1:40am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Another question now, what Allah didn't correct from the
prophet saw speech, is that speech wahi to u or not?
October 31 at 1:41am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan the Prophet was HUMAN.
October 31 at 1:41am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari We are not told to follow his human speech or actions we are told to
follow the MESSENGER which his duty was to deliver the MESSAGE. Why
doesn't Allah correct him as a MESSENGER any where throughout the Qur'an?
October 31 at 1:42am · Like
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Khidr Amari As a Prophet he was corrected but never do you see as a
MESSENGER any ayat him being corrected...
October 31 at 1:43am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Question not answered, Allah knew the prophet was speaking
about things that were not in Quran like how to pray and stuff, the things he said
without wahi that were wrong Allah corrected, we both agree up to here, my
concern are those sayings of the prophet that Allah did NOT correct, what is the
status of those according to u? Answer just the question please
October 31 at 1:46am via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur Prophet didn't receive the revelations outside the Quran.
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Khidr Amari ‘The prophet’ is Muhammad; the man himself, in his life, in his
private affairs, in his social relations with those around him, and in his human
conduct. Owing to his human conduct, he was susceptible to rebuke from God
Almighty. For this reason, he used to be rebuked in his capacity as a prophet, e.g.
1) “O you prophet, why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, just
to please your wives?… (66:1)”.
Allah also says on the subject of the prisoners of war of the battle of Badr,
“No prophet shall acquire captives, unless he participates in the fighting. You
people are seeking the materials of this world, while Allah advocates the
Hereafter… (8:67)”.
Allah also says to him,
“Even the prophet cannot take more of the spoils of war than he is entitled to.
Anyone who takes more than his rightful share will have to account for it on the
Day of Resurrection… (3:161)”.
And when he sought forgiveness for some of his relatives, our Lord said to him
“Neither the prophet, nor those who believe shall ask forgiveness for the idol
worshipers, even if they were their nearest of kin, once they realize that they are
destined for Hell. (9:113)”.
Concerning a very hard battle the believers fought, the Allah says
“Allah has redeemed the prophet, and the immigrants (Muhãjireen) and the
supporters who hosted them and gave them refuge (Ansãr), who followed him
during the difficult times. That is when the hearts of some of them almost
wavered… (9:117)”.
Allah also said, instructing the prophet to be reverent of Him, and to follow the
revelation, and to trust in Him, and in prohibiting him from obeying the
disbelievers, He said
“O you prophet, you shall reverence God and do not obey the disbelievers and the
hypocrites. God is Omniscient, Most Wise. Follow what is revealed to you from
your Lord. God is fully Cognizant of everything you all do. And put your trust in
God… (33:1-3)”. All this is addressing him as a prophet.'
The Quranic discussion about the relationship between Muhammad and his wives
– who are the mothers of the believers – also addresses him as a prophet,
“O prophet, say to your wives, “If you are seeking this life and its vanities, then
let me compensate you and allow you to go amicably. (33:28)”, and
“The prophet had trusted some of his wives with a certain statement… (66:3)”.
The Quran was addressing the mothers of the believers, however, it didn’t say
==> ‘O wives of the messenger’ <== its always rather, it said
“O wives of the prophet, if any of you commits a gross sin, the retribution will be
doubled for her. This is easy for God to do. (33:30)”, and
“O wives of the prophet, you are not the same as any other women… (33:32)”.
Hence, the discussion about his relationship with the people around him also
addresses him as a prophet,
“O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that
they shall lengthen their garments… (33:59)”, and
“The prophet is closer to the believers than they are to each other, and his wives
are like mothers to them… (33:6)”, and
“O you who believe, do not enter the prophet’s homes unless you are given
permission to eat… (33:53)” and
“…Others made up excuses to the prophet: “Our homes are vulnerable,”…
(33:13)”, and so on.
In light of this, ‘the prophet’ is Muhammad the man, in his behaviour, in his
private and public social relations, for this reason, he was addressed as the
prophet to follow the revelation.
Now Mufti Taha Khan when the prophet speaks with the Quran from
WAHI/DIVINE REVELATION, he is the messenger who should be obeyed for
the sake of Allah,
“We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed in accordance with God’s
will… (4:64)”, and “Whoever obeys the messenger is obeying God… (4:80)”.
The prophet Muhammad as a human was the first to obey the Quranic revelation,
and the first to implement it on himself. Whenever the prophet himself was
ordered to follow the revelation, the instruction came to obey the messenger, that
is, to obey the prophet when he spoke using the message, i.e. the Quran,
“Say, “Obey God, and obey the messenger.”… (24:54)”.
There does not occur ==> a single instance <== in the Quran of Allah saying
‘Obey Allah, and obey the prophet.’
Obeying the Nabi would mean obeying ==> "Nataq-un-Nabi" (Speech of Nabi)
<== the human speech of the Prophet Muhammad.
This is because obedience is not due to the prophet who is a human, but it is due
to the message, i.e. the messenger, i.e. the word of Allah which was revealed to
the prophet, and which the prophet was the first to obey.
Hence, there does not occur a single instance in the Quran of the messenger being
rebuked or corrected because the Prophet Muhammad as the messenger only
conveyed the wahi/divine revelation.
October 31 at 1:52am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan I was gonna say this later after u answer my questions but u
didn't, imma show u and talpur that Allah revealed to him something, but that
something is not discussed in the Quran showing u that Allah revealed to him
things that are not in the Quran
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I have already proved you wrong. You have to
produce the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) from Qur'an that the Prophet received
MORE THAN THE QUR'AN. I have the clear evidence proving he only recevied
Qur'an alone without quesiton so please if your going to provide us with
assummptions please study the Qur'an more carefully.
October 31 at 2:04am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Check Surah tahreem in the 28 juz, ayah number 3: Allah says
that he shared something with him... Later in the verse he quotes the prophet that
he said my lord told me.. Check the ayah before opening ur mouth. This verse
clearly tells us there were things Allah told the prophet and didn't share it with
people
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan that does not mean anything at all in terms of
bringing it to the WORLD. It wasn't for the WORLD to know about certain
personal matters. This wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation that was suppose to be
conveyed to the WORLD if he did not convey it to the WORLD he would not be
doing his job as a MESSENGER.
"the duty of the Messenger is nothing but to convey (the message). And Allah
knows all that you reveal and all that you conceal." 5/99
"Whether We show you part of what We have promised them or cause you to die,
your duty is only to convey (the message) and on Us is the reckoning." 13/40
"And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order
that he might make (the message) clear for them. then Allah misleads whom He
wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." 14/4
"This is a message for mankind (and a clear proof against them), in order that they
may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is the only One Ilah
(God - Allah) - (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah) - and that men of
understanding may take heed." 14/52
"therefore proclaim openly that which you are commanded, and turn away from
Al-Mushrikun." 15/94
"then, if they turn away, your duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear
way." 16/82
"Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he is only
responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah's message) and you
for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. the
Messenger's duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way." 24/54
"And if you deny, then nations before you have denied (their Messengers). And
the duty of the Messenger is only to convey (the message) plainly." 29/18
Mufti if your alluding to Allah giving the Messenger other revelations and he hid
the message from the people once again he would have failed in his duty as a
messenger. So its clear whatever you are referring to that was between Allah, the
Messenger and his wives wasn't for us to know. The Prophet did his job as a
Messenger by delievering the message, the Qur'an.
Allah confirms:
"Messenger, proclaim everything that has been sent down to you from your Lord-
if you do not, then you will not have communicated His message- and God will
protect you from people. God does not guide those who defy Him." 5/67
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Mufti Taha Khan Second example of that: Surah baqarah ayah number 142: Allah
says they will say what had turned them away from the qiblah they used to face?
No where in the Quran does it say where they used to face? So what was Allah
referring to and give evidence for it
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Mufti Taha Khan Third example: Allah says in Surah jummah ayah number 9: oh
people of faith, when u are called for Jumma prayer then rush to the Jumma. What
does he mean by calling for jummah? Quran dosent speak of it, ur gonna have to
tell me something besides azaan because that's what Hadith tells us. Please do
provide answers for these verses in the QURAN and what Allah means in them
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Mufti Taha Khan It either gonna have to tell me what Allah was referring to or
according to u then the Quran has unpacked holes in it cuz why would Allah share
something but won't discuss it, that defeats the purpose of the QURAN, because
Allah sent it so we practice it and seek guidance from it
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Mufti Taha Khan Wow! Too much stuff for u lets slow it down... Allah said when
u r called to Jumma then rush towards it, my question to u is what was that
calling.. Cuz I like what ur saying that Quran is enough, so I wanna know what
Allah means by "when u r called"?
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Mufti Taha Khan Answer accordingly
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Mufti Taha Khan No one calls me for jummah!
October 31 at 2:26am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again and again you can try to say this and that
was not revealed and that the Prophet was given secret revelation which is not
validated by the Qur'an your facing a losing battle.
"You who have iman! when nūdiya (the call is made) to salat on the Day of
Jumu‘a, hasten to the remembrance of Allah and abandon trade. That is better for
you if you only knew." 62/9
The same word is used:
"yunādūnahum (They will call them), "Were we not with you?" They will say,
"Yes, but you afflicted yourselves and awaited [misfortune for us] and doubted,
and wishful thinking deluded you until there came the command of Allah. And
the Deceiver deceived you concerning Allah." 57/14
"Then be patient for the decision of your Lord, and be not like the companion of
the fish when nādā (he called out) while he was distressed." 68/48
The call can be any call in terms of calling to Allah on the Day of Assembly. You
want me to provide evidence but you have yet to provide me with my answers.
Any of the believers calling out relating the verses of Allah reminding us of Allah
we should always assemble or gather together.
Allah says the remembrance of Allah hearts find rest:
"Those who believed and whose hearts find rest in the remembrance of Allah:
verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest ." 13/28
"O you who believe! Let not your properties or your children divert you from the
remembrance of Allah. And whosoever does that, then they are the losers." 63/9
Allah placed His remembrance above salaat in value by making salaat the means
and remembrance the goal. Allah says,
"Lo! Worship guards one from lewdness and iniquity, but verily, remembrance of
Allah is greater/more important." (29:45)
"He is successful who purifies himself, and remembers the name of his Lord, and
so prays." (87:14-15)
"So establish salaat for My remembrance." (20:14)
So any call that is made rather it be rehearsing the ayats of Allah, peforming
righteous actions for the pleasure of Allah is a call to come togther.
Can you please answer my points if you speak the truth be honest and just say you
don't have the answers.
PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF
THE FOLLOWING:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
Do you have the ANSWERS yes or no? If you give me a clear answer we can
move on.
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Mufti Taha Khan Look I will answer this question of urs aswell, but my simple
question is ur claim is that we don't need sunnah and Hadith, my simple question
now is what calling is Allah referring to? Is it a phone call from Allah we are to
receive before jummah, a text or what...
October 31 at 4:52am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Because according to u we don't need sunnah and the Quran is
enough! Allah is saying when u are CALLED! So what is this calling!
October 31 at 4:54am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari I just answered your questions Mufti Taha Khan as i have answered
many of others please answer mines stop beating around the bush.
October 31 at 4:55am · Like
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Khidr Amari Do you have the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) validating your Hadith
or Sunnah, yes or no....
October 31 at 4:55am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Please tell me where u answered this question
October 31 at 4:56am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari I'll repost and please answer my question...
October 31 at 4:57am · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again and again you can try to say this and that
was not revealed and that the Prophet was given secret revelation which is not
validated by the Qur'an your facing a losing battle.
"You who have iman! when nūdiya (the call is made) to salat on the Day of
Jumu‘a, hasten to the remembrance of Allah and abandon trade. That is better for
you if you only knew." 62/9
The same word is used:
"yunādūnahum (They will call them), "Were we not with you?" They will say,
"Yes, but you afflicted yourselves and awaited [misfortune for us] and doubted,
and wishful thinking deluded you until there came the command of Allah. And
the Deceiver deceived you concerning Allah." 57/14
"Then be patient for the decision of your Lord, and be not like the companion of
the fish when nādā (he called out) while he was distressed." 68/48
The call can be any call in terms of calling to Allah on the Day of Assembly. You
want me to provide evidence but you have yet to provide me with my answers.
Any of the believers calling out relating the verses of Allah reminding us of Allah
we should always assemble or gather together.
Allah says the remembrance of Allah hearts find rest:
"Those who believed and whose hearts find rest in the remembrance of Allah:
verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest ." 13/28
"O you who believe! Let not your properties or your children divert you from the
remembrance of Allah. And whosoever does that, then they are the losers." 63/9
Allah placed His remembrance above salaat in value by making salaat the means
and remembrance the goal. Allah says,
"Lo! Worship guards one from lewdness and iniquity, but verily, remembrance of
Allah is greater/more important." (29:45)
"He is successful who purifies himself, and remembers the name of his Lord, and
so prays." (87:14-15)
"So establish salaat for My remembrance." (20:14)
So any call that is made rather it be rehearsing the ayats of Allah, peforming
righteous actions for the pleasure of Allah is a call to come togther.
Can you please answer my points if you speak the truth be honest and just say you
don't have the answers.
PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF
THE FOLLOWING:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
Do you have the ANSWERS yes or no? If you give me a clear answer we can
move on.
October 31 at 4:57am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan U said calling of Allah are those verses where it says establish
salah etc, but why is jummah mentioned seperately? Hence u didn't answer the
question... Plus establish salah is an order, but that ayah says the calling is before
salah,
October 31 at 4:59am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm not sure if u know what ءادن in the Arabic language means!
October 31 at 5:00am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan U have no idea how to debate. I answer ur questions u say I
didn't, I ask u a question u ask me a diff question..
October 31 at 5:06am via mobile · Like · 3
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Mufti Taha Khan Again.. Nida means to call, not order... What's this calling here
October 31 at 5:13am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Can I call u instead cuz u seem to be dodging my questions, I
will then record our convo and throw it here on FB? Give me ur number lemme
call u
October 31 at 5:15am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Again, Mufti Taha Khan,
"You who have iman! when nūdiya (the call is made) to salat on the Day of
Jumu‘a, hasten to the remembrance of Allah and abandon trade. That is better for
you if you only knew." 62/9
It does not have to mean a specific all as I have indicated through other ayats of
Allah with the same word.
"yunādūnahum (They will call them), "Were we not with you?" They will say,
"Yes, but you afflicted yourselves and awaited [misfortune for us] and doubted,
and wishful thinking deluded you until there came the command of Allah. And
the Deceiver deceived you concerning Allah." 57/14
"Then be patient for the decision of your Lord, and be not like the companion of
the fish when nādā (he called out) while he was distressed." 68/48
Whatever type of calling, bringing together to remember Allah and establishing
the Salaat which has various meanings it also means establishing the Divine
System anything we do to call, to bring together believers to remember Allah is
righteous. Jummah can be a day of gathering to read the ayats of Allah, to
remember Allah.
'ruQ eritne eht tuohguorht desu si i اء an.
"And he gathered fanādā (and called out) " 79/23
"wanādā nūḥun (And Noah called) rabbahu (to his Lord) and said, "My Lord,
indeed my son is of my family; and indeed, Your promise is true; and You are the
most just of judges!" 11/45
So you mean to tell me when Allah says,
"You who have iman! when nūdiya (the call is made) to salat on the Day of
Jumu‘a, hasten to the remembrance of Allah and abandon trade. That is better for
you if you only knew." 62/9
There is a specific way we should call to Salaat other than calling to what is good
come on now.
Nun-Dal-Waw/Ya = proclaim, call, summon, invite, call anyone to convey
something, hail, call out, raising the voice, assembly
Allah says,
"ud'ʿu (Invite/call) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction,
and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of
who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly]
guided." 16/125
"And keep yourself patient [by being] with those who yadʿūna (cal)l upon their
Lord in the morning and the evening, seeking His countenance. And let not your
eyes pass beyond them, desiring adornments of the worldly life, and do not obey
one whose heart We have made heedless of Our remembrance and who follows
his desire and whose affair is ever [in] neglect." 18/28
Dal-Ayn-Waw = to seek, desire, ask, demand, call upon, invoke, ascribe, cry out,
call out to, pray, supplicate, petition, require, need, summon, invite, assert
The way Allah tells us in both words its clear that calling, inviting to Allah rather
they be believers or non believers is righteous deeds. Jummah is day of assembly
so the calling is before the gathering so whenever we call its a gathering for
rememberance of Allah. Salaat is establishing the Divine System in our lives
along with communicating with Allah with no RITUALS attached.
October 31 at 5:20am · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I have posted my points you have not answered
one of them yet....
PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF
THE FOLLOWING:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
Do you have the ANSWERS yes or no? If you give me a clear answer we can
move on.
October 31 at 5:21am · Like
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Khidr Amari No one has dodged your questions I have answered your questions
time and time again any one can see by our comments you have yet to produce
one ayat telling us to follow or believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/
Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
October 31 at 5:22am · Like
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Khidr Amari I answered your questions Mufti Taha Khan i want a clear cut ayat
like I presented to you showing you Sunnatu Allah and Millata Ibrahim is right in
Qur'an by NAME do the same for ==> Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/
Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
October 31 at 5:27am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Give me ur number
October 31 at 5:39am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari I'm not giving you my number Mufti Taha Khan we can continue
our discussion right here in the group.
October 31 at 5:42am · Like
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Khidr Amari I'm still waiting for the Bayyinat (Clear Evidence) for my four
points.
October 31 at 5:42am · Edited · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Ur scared?
October 31 at 5:45am via mobile · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Subhan Allah after all what we have discussed thus far I'm scared it
seems your running trying to evade my questions.
October 31 at 5:46am · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Ur doin that here, but can't on a phone
October 31 at 5:48am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Nah I want people to see our discussions on the telephone wouldn't
be approriate it would be you and I just trying to over talk each other having a
pointless discourse. Here is more organize where we both can express ourselves.
October 31 at 5:50am · Like · 3
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Mufti Taha Khan We are gonna throw it on FB. And debates are done better when
we can hear each othet
October 31 at 5:53am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Nah, either you continue here or you can forget about it ... can you
refer back to my four points and answer them
October 31 at 5:55am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur EYE-OPENER VERSES REGARDING HADITHS.
69:43 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
69:44 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.
69:45 We would have seized him by the right.
69:46 Then, We would have severed his life-line.
69:47 None of you would be able to prevent it.
17:73 And they nearly diverted you from what We inspired to you so that you
would fabricate something different against Us, and then they would have taken
you as a friend!
17:74 And if We had not made you stand firm, you were about to lean towards
them a little bit.
17:75 Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and
double the retribution in death. And then you would not find for yourself any
victor against Us.
October 31 at 5:59am · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm gonna answer them in a question format... The Quran u
quoted in all the verses u named the ayah numbers and sura number... I want to
know what Quran u use meaning what Surah it starts with?
October 31 at 6:01am via mobile · Like
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Ramla Farah we Quran aloners, atheiests? are you kidding me now? do you not
trust in the Quran that much, aithest dont belive in God while those who try to
walk the Quranic path do, the Quran tells us to believe in God, that is a retarded
argument, sorry but I had to put a few cents in
October 31 at 6:04am · Like · 3
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, I just want clear cut ayats, Bayyinat (Clear
Evidence) like I gave you Millata Ibrahim and Sunnatu Rasoolullah...can you
produce the ayats telling us clearly not assuming, not using inferences... I want to
know can you find the ayats that tells us to follow or believe or use as a form of
guidance or that these were revealed to the Prophet....
PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF
THE FOLLOWING:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
Millata Ibrahim is mentioned by NAME so is Sunntu Allah....Allah does not run
out of words I know you can do the same for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Nataq-un-
Nabi” (Speech of Nabi).... show us clearly if you can produce one ayat telling us
to follow or believe in these Hadith/Sunnah of Muhammad I'll follow them.
October 31 at 6:07am · Edited · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan The Quran says what ever the prophet gives u then take it and
what he prevents u from refrain from it!
October 31 at 6:18am via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur This verse is about the war booty. Not about his sayings.
October 31 at 6:22am · Like · 3
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Ramla Farah read the verse with its context Mufti its about war booty, the context
is about war.
October 31 at 6:23am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari I guess Mufti Taha Khan you can't produce the ayat you have to spin
circles around our heads like Christians do believing in inferences indirect ayats
not clear ayats like I have given you that says to follow Millata Ibrahim. That's a
shame that you can't produce one clear ayat telling us to follow the Nataq-un-
Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah.
October 31 at 6:24am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Dear idiots, just because its talking about it does not mean it
can't be used as a general rule
October 31 at 6:26am via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur AND YOU MAY TAKE WHAT THE MESSENGER GIVES
YOU, BUT DO NOT TAKE WHAT HE PROHIBITS YOU FROM TAKING
59:7 Whatever God bestowed upon His messenger from the people of the towns,
then it shall be to God and His messenger, and the relatives, and the orphans, and
the poor, and the wayfarer. Thus, it will not remain monopolized by the rich
among you. And you may take what the messenger gives you, but do not take
what he prohibits you from taking. And be aware of God, for God is mighty in
retribution.
October 31 at 6:27am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan And if the contex is the issue to u,, then Allah says follow me
and follow the prophet..
October 31 at 6:28am via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur Obedience to Allah and his messenger are not two separate
obediences but one obedience.
October 31 at 6:30am · Like · 1
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Ramla Farah When the servant of Allah stands calling on Him, they almost swarm
all over him. Say: 'I call only upon my Lord and do not associate anyone else with
Him.' Say: 'I possess no power to do you harm or to guide you right.' Say: 'No one
can protect me from Allah and I will never find any refuge apart from Him –only
in transmitting from Allah and His Messages. As for him who disobeys Allah and
His Messenger, he will have the Fire of Hell, remaining in it timelessly, for ever
and ever.' So that when they see what they were promised, they will know who
has less support and smaller numbers. Say: 'I do not know whether what you are
promised is close or whether my Lord will appoint a longer time before it.'”
(72:19-25)
And when Our clear communications are recited to them, those who hope not for
Our meeting say: Bring a Qur’an other than this or change it. Say: It is not for me
to change it of myself; I only follow what has been revealed to me; surely I fear, if
I disobey my Lord, the punishment of a mighty day.”
(10:15)
“Say: ‘I am nothing new among the Messengers. I have no idea what will be done
with me or you. I only follow what has been revealed to me. I am only a clear
warner.’” (46:9)
“Say: O people! indeed there has come to you the truth from your Lord (The
Qur’an), therefore whoever receives guidance, he does so only for the good of his
own soul, and whoever goes astray, he goes astray only to the detriment of it, and
I am not a disposer of affairs for you.
And follow what is revealed to you and be patient till Allah should give judgment,
and He is the best of the judges.”
(10:108-109)
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Khidr Amari lol now the name calling begins come on Mufti Taha Khan I know
you can do better than that.
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Khidr Amari Allah does not run out of words Mufti Taha Khan Allah says His
Book is complete, fully detailed and it explains all things in terms of divine
guidance.
October 31 at 6:31am · Like · 1
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Ramla Farah Am I to desire someone other than Allah as a judge when it is He
Who has sent down the Book explained in detail?" Those We have given the
Book know that it has been sent down from your Lord with truth, so on no
account be among the doubters”
(6: 114)
“Surely We have revealed the Book to you with the truth that you may judge
between people by means of that which Allah has taught you; and be not an
advocate on behalf of the treacherous.”
(4:105)
Muhammad warns by the Qur’an, not by his own wisdom: -
“Say: What thing is the weightiest in testimony? Say: Allah is witness between
you and me; and this Qur’an has been revealed to me that with it I may warn you
and whomsoever it reaches. Do you really bear witness that there are other gods
with Allah? Say: I do not bear witness. Say: He is only one Allah, and surely I am
clear of that which you set up (with Him).”
(6:19)
^^^^^^^
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Ramla Farah Allah Decides and the messenger decides the same way, no
separation in this: -
“When Allah and His Messenger have decided something it is not for any man or
woman of the believers to have a choice about it. Anyone who disobeys Allah and
His Messenger is clearly misguided.”
(33:36)
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Saeed Talpur 4:64 We do not send a messenger except to be obeyed with the
permission of God.
And had they come to you when they had wronged themselves
and sought the forgiveness of God,
and the messenger sought forgiveness for them,
they would have then found God to be Pardoning, Merciful.
October 31 at 6:39am · Edited · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan If everything is in the Quran then why does Allah say then the
people will know who do istinbaat and extract rulings from it?!
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Ramla Farah Allah gives us rulings in the Quran
October 31 at 6:40am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari It says Mufti Taha Khan follow the Messenger, even the Prophet had
to follow what was revealed to him.
October 31 at 6:40am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan And if everything is in the Quran then when a woman gets
divorced and she has to spend her iddah and Quran says three periods, the word is
quroo which means both the days she is pure also her periods... Which one is it??
October 31 at 6:42am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan What a stupid answer that the ruling is in the Quran.. The word
extracting rulings is clearly mentioned, why the need for people who extract
rulings?
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Saeed Talpur I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME
6:50 Say: "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of God, nor do I know
the future, nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT
IS INSPIRED TO ME." Say: "Are the blind and the seer the same? Do you not
think?"
10:15 And when Our clear revelations were recited to them, those who do not
wish to meet Us said: "Bring a Qur'an other than this, or change it!" Say: "It is not
for me to change it of my own accord, I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS
INSPIRED TO ME. I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of a great
Day!"
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I guess you give up.
October 31 at 6:48am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Are u forcing a victory????!! I
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm ready to abandon Hadith only if u tell me where Allah says
how much to give zakah and how to perform hajj! He says pray and give zakah
and perform hajj but details are not mentioned. What do I do????
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Saeed Talpur @Mufti Taha Khan
2:228 And those divorced shall wait for three menstruation periods; and it is not
lawful for them to conceal what God has created in their wombs, if they believe in
God and the Last Day. And their husbands would then have just cause to return
together, if they both wish to reconcile. And the obligations owed to them are to
be fulfilled, as are the obligations owed by them. But the men will have a greater
responsibility over them in this. And God is Noble, Wise.
65:4 As for those who have reached menopause from your women, if you have
any doubts, their interim shall be three months - as well as for those who did not
menstruate. And those who are already pregnant, their interim is until they give
birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, How many or how much more Bayyinat (Clear
Evidence) do you want. Have you read the Qur'an in every ayat about Hajj,
Salaat, Zakat, Saum?
Classical Arabic meanings:
= Haa-Jiim-Jiim = to intend to a certain target, aim at, repair, undertake,
repaired/betook himself to or towards a person / place / object of
veneration/respect/honour, went/visit frequently/repeatedly, pilgrimage.
Overcome another by/in argument/evidences/proofs/testimonies, plead,
contend/argue/dispute.
hajja vb.
perf. act. 2:158
n.vb. 2:189, 2:196, 2:196, 2:196, 2:197, 2:197, 2:197, 3:97, 9:3, 22:27
pcple. act. 9:19
hijaj n.f. (pl. of hijjah) 28:27
hujjah n.f. 2:150, 4:165, 6:83, 6:149, 42:15, 42:16, 45:25
hajja vb.
perf. act. 2:258, 3:20, 3:61, 3:66, 6:80
impf. act. 2:76, 2:139, 3:65, 3:66, 3:73, 6:80, 42:16
tahajja vb. (6) impf. act. 40:47
The Basic fundamentals of Salaat:
The Qur'an gives us the main features of salat prayer but I'm sure you wouldn't
have notice this because your too busy abandoning the Qur'an for man made
guesswork called Hadith. In the Qur'an we are given the following:
1) the normal ablution (5:6),
2) the abnormal ablution (4:43),
3) the proper dress (7:31),
4) standing and facing the qiblah (2:144),
5) the times (11:114, 17:78, 24:58, 2:238, 30:17-18 and 20:130),
6) the bowing and prostrating (2:43,125,3:42, 22:77, 48:29),
7) using moderate voice when saying prayers (17:110),
not calling anyone else besides God in prayer (72:18) and
9) modified mode of prayer at unusual times (4:101,103).
I strongly suggest reading what it says about "salah".
Here is every occurrence:
musalla (يلصم) n. m. - 2:125
salat (ةالص) n. f. sing. - 2:3, 2:43, 2:45, 2:83, 2:110, 2:153, 2:177, 2:238, 2:277,
4:43, 4:77, 4:101, 4:102, 4:103, 4:103, 4:103, 4:142, 4:162, 5:6, 5:12, 5:55, 5:58,
5:91, 5:106, 6:72, 6:92, 6:162, 7:170, 8:3, 8:35, 9:5, 9:11, 9:18, 9:54, 9:71, 9:103,
10:87, 11:87, 11:114, 13:22, 14:31, 14:37, 14:40, 17:78, 17:110, 19:31, 19:55,
19:59, 20:14, 20:132, 21:73, 22:35, 22:41, 22:78, 23:2, 24:37, 24:41, 24:56,
24:58, 24:58, 27:3, 29:45, 29:45, 30:31, 31:4, 31:17, 33:33, 35:18, 35:29, 42:38,
58:13, 62:9, 62:10, 70:23, 70:34, 73:20, 98:5, 107:5 salawat (تا لص) nom. gen.
n. plu. - 2:157, 2:238, 9:99, 22:40, 23:9
salla (يلص) vb.II m.
perf. act. 75:31, 87:15, 96:10
impf. act. 3:39, plu. neg. 4:102, plu. 4:102, tusalli (لصت) neg. 9:84, yusallee
plu. 33:56 (ن لصي) sing. 33:43, yusalloona (يلصي)
salli (لص) impv. 9:103, salloo (ا لص) plu. 33:56, 108:2
musalleena (نيلصم) pcple. act. plu. acc. gen. 70:22, 74:43, 107:4
From my research about Zakat here is every occurrence in Al Quran for you to
look through:
zaka vb. (I)
perf. act. - 24:21 (e.g. chapter 24, verse 21)
zakat n.f. - 2:43, 2:83, 2:110, 2:177, 2:277, 4:77, 4:162, 5:12, 5:55, 7:156, 9:5,
9:11, 9:18, 9:71, 18:81, 19:13, 19:31, 19:55, 21:73, 22:41, 22:78, 23:4, 24:37,
24:56, 27:3, 30:39, 31:4, 33:33, 41:7, 58:13, 73:20, 98:5
zakiy n.m. (adj. comp. azka) - 2:232, 18:19, 18:74, 19:19, 24:28, 24:30
zakka vb. (II)
perf. act. - 91:9
impf. act. - 2:129, 2:151, 2:174, 3:77, 3:164, 4:49, 4:49, 9:103, 24:21, 53:32, 62:2
tazakka vb, (V)
perf. act. - 20:76, 35:18, 79:18, 87:14
impf. act. - 35:18, 80:3, 80:7, 92:18
FASTING
1) Allah desires not hardship for fasting, al-Baqarah 2:185
2) during the Hajj, al-Baqarah 2:196
3) during Ramadan, al-Baqarah 2:185,
4) exemptions, al-Baqarah 2:184-185
5) hours of, al-Baqarah 2:187
6) al-Baqarah 2:183-184,196
I suggest you study the Qur'an as Allah instructs us to and stop reading Hadith.
Truly get to know Allah's Book.
October 31 at 6:56am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Zakah means purification. Zakah does not mean 2.5 % once in a
year. Term Sadaqat is used in the Quran.
2:219 “..And they ask you how much they are to give, say: "The excess." It is thus
that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.”
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Saeed Talpur The Hajj (Pilgrimage) is a visit to the sanctuary of God, which
every adult Muslim must undertake at least once in their life if they can afford it
and are physically able.
The commandment of Hajj is given in verse 3:97.
3:97 In it are clear signs: the station of Abraham. And whoever enters it will be
secure. And God is owed from the people to make Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary,
whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the
worlds.
IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND USEFUL TIPS FOR HAJJ AND
'UMRAH
Praise and commemorate God; ask for His guidance and forgiveness
continuously. Devote your worship to Him Alone.
There is no special day to begin or end Hajj within the 4 sacred months, including
Friday. Neither is there any 'type' of Hajj with different names and days. Every
pilgrimage has the same value and a Friday ending does not make a Hajj greater
(Akbari).
Once at Mecca, typically the 'Umrah portion can be completed within 2 hours.
The entire pilgrimage (Mecca to Mecca), needs a minimum of 5 days to complete
it comfortably. After 'Umrah, since the present road to 'Arafat goes via Mina, it is
not wrong to halt at Mina on the way, but this halt is not a part of the pilgrimage
steps. After 'Arafat and Muzdalifah, the pilgrim is required to spend at least 2
days at Mina for the animal sacrifice and Jamraat stoning rites.
Be comfortable, cheerful and mentally free from confusion. No religious duty is
meant to be a hardship. Do not deliberately make things hard on yourself or try to
look miserable and burdened. Never innovate religious rules or prohibitions.
Abstain from sexual intercourse and vanities such as shaving and cutting of hair.
Cooperate in matters of righteousness and piety. Avoid arguments, misconduct,
bad language and losing your temper.
Maintain regular hygiene practices such as bathing and washing. It is not wrong to
use soap or brush teeth with toothpaste.
There are no Salat (Contact) Prayers in Islam, except the daily prayers, regardless
of pilgrimage or Ramadan month etc. It is also extremely wrong to prohibit
women from doing the Salat prayer, or performing pilgrimage, or fulfilling any
religious obligation during their menstruation. The religious practices for men and
women are the same.
Kissing of the black stone (Ka'bah) or seeking its blessings is wrong. The stone is
not holy and there is no 'special' side for it.
Touching and commemorating Abraham's supposed footprints (on display) is
wrong and has nothing to do with pilgrimage.
Zam Zam water is not 'magic' or 'holy water'. Ablution or bathing in Zam Zam
water does not enhance your prayer value.
The animal sacrifice offered on the first morning in Mina commemorates God's
intervention to save Ismail and Abraham from Satan's trick. You do not have to
physically sacrifice the animal yourself and can have someone else do it for you.
Rushing to complete the stoning ritual exclusively before noon on the first
morning in Mina is a false belief.
Visiting Madinah or other locations for religious purposes is not part of Islam.
There is only one Sacred Masjid (Ka'bah) designated by God. Offering prayers at
prophet Muhammad's tomb or to commemorate anyone except God is idol
worship (shirk), and nullifies all worship and acts of righteousness in life.
Take measures to keep well and be safe to enjoy and focus on your pilgrimage: It
gets hot in the day. Your skin can blister or you could suffer from heat stroke, so
keep yourself protected accordingly. Water, food, shade and first aid are available
so make appropriate use of them. Stay with your groups to avoid getting lost.
Keep your money and travel documents safely. Watch out for pickpockets and
people posing as guides or officials.
There is no religious Idd (Eid) festival to be celebrated by the world. Obviously,
since there is no particular day to end Hajj. If people want to celebrate completion
of a great obligation to God, it is okay as long as they do not make it a religious
law.
Dealing with certain Hajj and 'Umrah situations. Quran verse 2:196 is self-
explanatory for these situations:
"You shall observe the complete rites of Hajj and`Umrah for GOD. If you are
prevented, you shall send an offering, and do not resume cutting your hair until
your offering has reached its destination. If you are ill, or suffering a head injury
(and you must cut your hair), you shall expiate by fasting, or giving to charity, or
some other form of worship. During the normal Hajj, if you break the state of
Ihraam (sanctity) between `Umrah and Hajj, you shall expiate by offering an
animal sacrifice. If you cannot afford it, you shall fast three days during Hajj and
seven when you return home - this completes ten - provided you do not live at the
Sacred Masjid. You shall observe GOD, and know that GOD is strict in enforcing
retribution."
Clearing misconceptions about going on Hajj or 'Umrah
* Hajj does not wipe out all your past or future sins. It is just one of your religious
duties. You still have to worship God alone, live righteously and uphold His laws
throughout your life.
* Hajj does not mean you are special or blessed for the rest of your life and that
everything will go great thereon.
* Doing Hajj on particular days, especially ending on Fridays or on days which
prophet Muhammad 'apparently' did them does not make any difference. These do
not enhance the value of the pilgrimage. Performing 'Umrah during Ramadan
does not make it better. The 4 sacred months allow for the world to fulfill their
obligations comfortably.
* Proxy Hajj: No one can do a pilgrimage for anyone else, dead or alive, just like
no one can fast or do Salat for someone else. If you cannot make pilgrimage for
whatever reason, you have to pray and wait till God arranges it for you someday,
if He so wills.
* There is also a false belief that a woman can only perform pilgrimage if she is
accompanied by a male relative such as father, brother, son or husband, referred
to as 'Mihrim or 'Mehram'. This means that a spinster who does not have a father
or brother may find it impossible to do Hajj or will have to legally declare a male
to be like her father or brother. This is a falsehood and we look forward to God
changing this soon.
* You must do Hajj when you can afford it. It is not required to sell your assets
and become poor to go on Hajj and spend the rest of your life in debt and misery.
God is Most Merciful.
* You should also consider going on Hajj when you have developed your soul
well so you can relate to this once in a lifetime opportunity. Likewise, just taking
a child on Hajj is not being fair to the child by telling it that it has fulfilled its
obligation for life. Also, passing over 'Arafat in a plane or such absurd ideas does
not mean you have done Hajj.
Remember, a pilgrimage is a once in a lifetime opportunity and a great occasion
to come very close to God and develop your soul. Be well prepared for it
mentally, spiritually and financially. Keep in mind that Satan will try and corrupt
your Hajj as he has already corrupted several rites and laws in the religion. Most
of what you will be told to do at Hajj is from Hadith & Sunnah books (Satanic
innovations) and has no basis in Quran -- God's only book of religious law for
Muslims.
October 31 at 7:10am · Like · 1
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Iam Didiet Mufti Taha Khan...are you really confident to what they call you as
"imam"? pity you...you don't even worth it.
October 31 at 7:11am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur ISLAMIC MONTHS
1. MUHARRAM
2. SAFAR
3. RABI-AL-AWWAL
4. RABI-AL-THANI
5. JUMADA-AL-AWWAL
6. JUMADA-AL-THANI
7. RAJAB
8. SHABAN
9. RAMADAN
10. SHAWWAL
11. ZUL-QAADAH
12. ZUL-HIJJAH
FOUR SACRED MONTHS
1. ZUL-HIJJAH
2. MUHARRAM
3. SAFAR
4. RABI-AL-AWWAL
WHICH IS THE FIRST MONTH FOR HAJJ?
The 12th month of the Islamic calender is called Zu Al-Hijja and that is because it
is the first month of hajj. In 2:31 we read that God taught Adam all the names, or
in other words everything is given its name by God. It is God who called a tree a
tree, and a car a car, and it was also God who named winter as winter and summer
as summer and so on. It follows that it was also God who named the month of
Zhu Al-Hijjah by its name.
The literal meaning of the name Zhu Al-Hijjah is: the (month) of the hajj.
God gave this month this specific name so that we would know that hajj starts
when this arrives.
ARE THE MONTHS FOR HAJJ CONSECUTIVE OR NOT?
Indeed the four months for hajj are consecutive. They are the 12th, 1st , 2nd and
3rd months of the Islamic calendar. They are the months of (Zhu Al-Hijjah,
Muharram, Safar and Rabi I). The consecutive nature of these four months is
confirmed in the following verse:
“Once the “hurum” months have “insalakha” you may kill the idol worshipers
(who continue to attack you) when you encounter them, punish them, and resist
every move they make.” 9:5
The key word in the above verse and which is relevant to this matter is the word
“insalakha”. The word literally means “skinned”. This is the sense of how we skin
a snake for example. The movement of skinning a snake means we would remove
the skin gradually from one end to the other, or in other words; a gradual and
consecutive movement.
God deliberately uses this word in 9:5 in connection to the months of hajj. God
could have simply said: when the (hurum) months have passed. So why did God
deliberately use this word?
It is because the word “insalakha” indicates a consecutive meaning, or in other
words it tells us that the 4 hurum months are consecutive months.
October 31 at 7:11am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Sorry zakah and sadaqah are different.. Both are mentioned in
the Quran ... In hajj no mention if order of actions same with salah I can sajdah
dirst then ruku then stand I guess.. So where's the correct order...
October 31 at 7:42am via mobile · Like
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Yasrael Medjay mufti khan--here is --THE SALAT AND OTHER ISSUES YOU
ASKED FROM A QURAN ALONE
SITEhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=quran%20alone%20islam.org%2
0al%20salat&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http
%3A%2F%2Fwww.quran-islam.org%2Fmain_topics%2Fislam%2Fpillars%2Fal-
salat_(P1192).html&ei=jnWQUPn2L-
TAiwKWtYCgCQ&usg=AFQjCNHeiy71Yc876Pw0zRGBnz_3-Yjj4w
October 31 at 7:58am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Sorry bro but it dosent have the order of salah, and if it was left
for us to determine the order then it defeats the purpose, if Allah can tell us u need
u facing a certain direction then to leave out how to perform salah dosent make
sense.. I'm sorry but it dosent make sence
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Mufti Taha Khan Allah said follow the rasool.. He said in the prophet is the best if
examples, what was the need to say such a thing.. Him saying that is saying that
we must follow the prophet in everything.. Now if u say that that's in the things
Allah sent and ur cutting everything else out then u too will have to provide proof
from Quran saying so making that difference or it saying only follow him in
things I sent AND NOTHING ELSe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This addition is from ur pockets
or provide proif
October 31 at 8:16am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Proof*
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Iam Didiet what you read from the Quran that is properly, if the order is not
mentioned then it is not necessary. so why do you dispute something if Allah not
making the issue?
Do you think God would forget something important to be our guide, as he has
said, "Say:" Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - When He it is Who hath
sent unto you the Book, EXPLAINED IN DETAIL. "They know full well, to
Whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in
truth. Never be then of those who doubt . "6:114
Who does not make sense? You or God?
October 31 at 8:28am · Edited · Like · 1
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Yasrael Medjay interesting debate--how did people think they could debate the
quran and the people of the quran--they think we are new?--I find it strange did
they forget that many of the quran reciters the most learned had died in wars
according to their recording of history?and secondly are they not following their
own hadith in which according to them their hadith--they say rsululah said I am
but a human being like you so I may error except in matters of revelation I do not
error of you must obey----I remember this from when I was salafi and the shia
would argue /no everything the prophet said is revelation he does not error he is
masum/sinless---so I find it actually somwhat funny but serious that now some
salafiyya are now acting like the shia and are going against their own hadith---
when I get home Ill get that hadith--but masH-ALLAH--the book of Allah was
victorious over those who attempted to foist innovation on they should be happy
though,that we do the same as umar al kitab said--JARRIDUL QURAN--keep the
quran bare /away from traditions /hadith--dont they claim they follow sahabah?
then burn the hadiths as they did as abu bakr and umar and as abu haraira did by
force by some other sahabah--you guys always marvelled how some sahabah
were the most pure according to you--well its because they followed the quran
alone and understood its sciences---of course you have other contradictory hadith
too because you have books from which you can support any school of thought--
whatever you desire
October 31 at 8:27am · Like · 2
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Yasrael Medjay khidr may Allah reward you greatly--jazakhallah
October 31 at 8:30am · Like · 4
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Yasrael Medjay here according to their hadith the prophet commits errors of
course when hes not guided by revelation or acting under it--it even falsly says he
will judge people according to how eloquent they are and if a muslum accepts that
judgment then hes eating a piece of fire--is this the natiq of the prophet we are
supposed to obey that if we dont we go to hellfire or is this the natiq we obey his
judgment then we go to the fire?
hmmmmhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20prophet%20said%20i
%20am%20a%20human%20being%20i%20may%20error&source=web&cd=3&
cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infinitelight.org%2Fco
ntent%2Fview%2F6953%2F19%2F&ei=JYyQUJDVM8aiiQLj-
oGQDA&usg=AFQjCNFUhVPhA6fkI6aWbqfK02DAJbIR0w
October 31 at 8:59am · Like · 2
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Lola Parker Okay. It was asked where does the Quran say NOT to follow the
Prophet... Here's the short answer
>>Allah told MANKIND via the Prophet in
5.87 "O you who believe! do not forbid the good things which Allah has made
lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who
exceed the limits.
>>Then Allah told MUHAMMAD specifically in
66:1 "O Prophet, why do you prohibit what Allah has made lawful for you,
seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful"
In this example the question(s) is, did the prophet sin? The answer is clearly YES.
So the real question is, WHERE DOES THE QURAN SAY TO FOLLOW THE
SINS OF ANYONE EVEN PROPHETS?
#Its_been_made_clear_and_easy_to_understand_for_a_reason
October 31 at 9:16am · Like · 2
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Yasrael Medjay here is the hadith i promised according to your hadith at times the
prophet gives orders from the revelation then that is when you are to obey--but if
its his own personal opinion outside of revelation then you dont have to--
http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/158-
Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2030.%20The%20Excellent%20Qualities%20Of%2
0The%20Holy%20Prophet%20(PBUH)%20And%20His%20Companions/14030-
sahih-muslim-book-030-hadith-number-5831.html
October 31 at 9:22am · Edited · Like · 1
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Yasrael Medjay so even in your so called hadith--NOT ALL OF THE
PROPHETS SPEECH ARE DIVINE REVELATION--JUST AS KHIDR
POINTED OUT--WE OBEY THE RASULULAH NOT MUHAMMED AS
ONLY THE HUMAN BEING WHO HAD AN OPINION
October 31 at 9:21am · Like · 1
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Lola Parker Mufti Taha Khan.... I don't mean no harm and I don't mean to
interject but honestly Just like Allah has no partners Allah's word doesn't have or
need partners either in miscellaneous writings of people not mentioned by Allah. I
can see your concern being how do Quran alone Muslims follow the tenets of
Islam from the Book alone but to assert that we can't without hadiths when we in
fact do is ignoring the facts and reason. I read you stating that we shouldn't
indulge in what we know not; but how much don't I know about not only the
authors of the hadiths but the motivation with so many contradicting ideas
running all threw them. I don't think 1% of authentic hadiths so some people think
is true constitutes as what I know.
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Yasrael Medjay again even more
clearerhttp://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/158-
Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2030.%20The%20Excellent%20Qualities%20Of%2
0The%20Holy%20Prophet%20(PBUH)%20And%20His%20Companions/14029-
sahih-muslim-book-030-hadith-number-5832.html
October 31 at 9:24am · Like
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Yasrael Medjay salamu alaikum
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Lola Parker Yasrael.... Heres the thing. It's reasonable to think the prophet was
asked for his opinion in times when he wasn't quote "receiving revelation". And
as a leader it's reasonable that he gave his input in matters based on his own
intellect and understanding. But the issue is where's the line between what we are
obligated to do and what we aren't. I surmise we are not to follow anyone into sin
even if that person is a prophet.
October 31 at 9:31am · Like · 1
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Yasrael Medjay last but not least umar ordered hadiths be burned and also before
that not to write hadith--he even said to other noble sahabah you fight over hadith-
--so dont write them--heres some proofs for you--we are not the first to follow
quran alone--actually many prominent sahabah followed quran alone--umar said
dont past the sayings of the prophet to the next generations or they argue like
youhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=umar%20said%20you%20squabbl
e%20yourselves%20over%20hadith&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQ
FjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tolueislam.org%2FParwez%2Fmh%2Fmh_02
.htm&ei=_5SQUKrRN6GyigL-zYCABA&usg=AFQjCNGUDBekiljE3CV-
VaXqb6pvpvoaXg
October 31 at 9:38am · Like
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Yasrael Medjay im now done as salamu alaikum--salat time
October 31 at 9:38am · Like
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Yasrael Medjay yes lola the salafiyya brothers above said the prophet only spoke
revelation--not his opinion so sunnah hadiths are revelation part of natiq of the
prophet---okay i really have to ---salamu alaikum
October 31 at 9:41am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan I asked for proof where it says dont follow the prophet if he
speaks on anything besides Quran... Please anyone show me this from Quran
where Allah sayin that
October 31 at 11:43am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Please don't say umer said to burn the Hadith, because u don't
believe in them so don't quote it, and he said because of fear that they may add or
subtract from the prophetic sayings.. U didn't quote the contexts as to why umer
said that
October 31 at 11:45am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Also don't bring up that it contradicts itself, cuz the Quran does
aswell.. Quran says earth was created first then sky in bother place he says
opposite ???
October 31 at 11:47am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So 2 questions... 1: where Allah say don't follow Nabi if he
speaks about other them wahi?
October 31 at 11:48am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan 2: what did Allah create first the earth or the sky?
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Saeed Talpur 1. When Prophet was alive it was necessary for the believers to
follow personal commands beside the revelations of God. But main duty of the
messenger was to deliver the Quran.
3:144 And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many messengers who have
passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels? And
whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm God in the least. And God will
recompense the thankful.
2. Heavens were already there but they were connected with earth so God
separated the heavens from the earth.
21:30 Have those who rejected not seen that the heavens and the earth were one
piece, so We split them apart? And that We have made from the water everything
that lives. Will they not believe?
43:9 And if you asked them: Who has created the heavens and the earth? They
will say: They were created by the One who is the Noble, the Knowledgeable.
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Mufti Taha Khan None of the ayat answer the question... They were one but there
different things... Which one of them was first?
October 31 at 8:31pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So hard headed!!!
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Mufti Taha Khan Also the first question not answered either... U guys keep saying
that follow the prophet BUT only in the message, where is this addition in it, I
want a clear bayyinah! The ayah u quoted is also taken out of contex and does not
prove a single thing... Please research properly then answer
October 31 at 8:36pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm marveling ur answer... I asked which one was made first, u
quoted the ayah saying Allah created them, are u in ur right mind?! Everyone in
this page knows Allah created them, u guys just throw in all the verses that have
the word sky or earth in it...
October 31 at 8:39pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan And talpur ur contradicted urself, u said personal commands
were necessary to follow when he was alive, then in his life he said many things
to the people who came much after him in a message format, ur gonna need proof
for that.. I can show u an ayah where it says the prophets are alive in his
grave!!!!!! So ur put of the picture buddy!!!
October 31 at 8:43pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Infact that verse about prophet is our proof... Look at the
meaning of it
October 31 at 8:48pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan And if u want I can break it down for u to show u
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Prophet didn't said to write the his sayings even
the hadiths say don't write beside the Quran.
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Saeed Talpur HADITHS PROHIBITING WRITING HADITHS
Prophet Muhammad only followed the Quran. Hadiths came 200 years later after
the death of the prophet Muhammad. Also prophet prohibited to write any of his
sayings (Hadiths) beside the Quran.
1) Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Muslim, al-Darami (the teacher of Bukhari), al-
Termedhi and Nasaei narrated in their Isnad from Abu-Sa’eid al-Khodri: The
Prophet (P) said: “Do not quote me in other than the Quran. So, whoever has
written anything from me other than the Quran, shall erase it.”
2) Ahmad Ibn Hanbal narrated from Zaid Ibn Thabet: “The Messenger of Allah
(P) prohibited us from writing anything from him and he erased them.”
3) Ahmad Ibn Hanbal narrated from Abu-Horayra: “We were sitting writing what
we had heard from the Prophet (P), when the Prophet (P) arrived. He asked what
we were writing. We said: What we have heard from you. He said: Are you
(compiling) a book besides the Book of Allah? We said: (we write) what we hear
from you. He said: “Write the Book of Allah. Write only the Book of Allah. Are
you writing other than the Book of Allah? Write only the Book of Allah.” Abu-
Horayra said: Following the instruction of the Prophet (P) we collected our
writings and burnt them in a fire.”
>>>>>> Amazing Hadith <<<<<<<
Prophet said “FOR IT WAS JUST A PERSONAL OPINION OF MINE, AND
DO NOT GO AFTER MY PERSONAL OPINION”
Musa b. Talha reported: I and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)
happened to pass by people near the date-palm trees. He (the holy prophet) said:
what are these people doing? They said: they are grafting, i. e. they combine the
male with the female (tree) and thus they yield more fruit. Thereupon Allah's
messenger said: I do not find it to be of any use. The people were informed about
it and they abandoned this practice. Allah's Messenger (was later) on informed
(that the yield had dwindled), whereupon he said: if there is any use of it, then
they should do it, for it was just a personal opinion of mine, and do not go after
my personal opinion; but when I say to you anything on behalf of Allah, then do
accept it, for I do not attribute lie to Allah, the Exalted and Glorious (Sahih
Muslim, Book 030, Number 5830).
October 31 at 10:02pm · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan First answer my 2 questions, then I'll answer this question!
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Mufti Taha Khan That's the thing with u people, u guys get cornered then u jump
to something else , please stick to the topic. I asked u for proof where it says in
the Quran that Allah said don't take from the prophet if he says anything besides
the message that to from Quran buddy?
And secondly what did Allah create first????????????????????????
October 31 at 11:10pm via mobile · Like · 3
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Mufti Taha Khan I'll answer ur questions when u answer mine !
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Rehaan Waseem They won't answer until you force them to and that too will
never be direct. It will be a long post of copy and pasted translations but will
never give anything unambiguous. Perhaps this post will encourage them to.
November 1 at 12:42am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan We will wait till they bring that ayah from Quran where Allah
clearly says that take from the prophet only the message and nothing else besides
the message..... Also the contradiction Allah makes as to what he created first?
The earth or the sky?
November 1 at 12:51am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan We have answers to all your questions! Don't worry but one at a
time please! Just to show u we have answers is that one of u said there are so
many versions to one incident like the last sermon of the prophet.... I'm goin to
bring to your attention that Allah also has many versions of different stories for
example moosa and pharoas story, also Adam and shaitaans story and many more,
and we have answers for all this what I said aswell, but I need them from u!!!
November 1 at 12:55am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So please answer my questions
appropriately....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 1 at 12:56am via mobile · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, I believe we have been fair answering all of your
inquiries yet you have not even answered mines yet I have a big problem with that
how you and Rehaan Waseem like to EVADE questions. Why can't the both of
you come together to answer my FOUR POINTS?
November 1 at 2:56am · Like · 1
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Rehaan Waseem ^subhanallah...the way they run and hide. He tried the same
thing with me. Answer the questions if you can. This is exactly what I predicted
would happen. You are stuck in a quagmire and have no way out. If you can
answer, then answer. If you can't, then tell us that you can't
November 1 at 3:03am via mobile · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Rehaan Waseem I have slaughtered you time and time again actually
I fine it comical that you run and hide from my questions.
November 1 at 3:25am · Like
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Khidr Amari lol I'm glad you flatter yourself any one who will truly read your
discourse will see clearly that you have nothing more CONJECTURE with no
EVIDENCE.
November 1 at 3:26am · Like
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Rehaan Waseem Mufti Taha Khan asked two questions. Answer them
November 1 at 3:27am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr ... That question u asked with 4 points about where does
it say we have to follow the prophet..... I answered that by saying where Allah
says to follow him and the prophet! U then said that ayah is saying follow him in
the message from Allah and nothing else... Now I'm saying that that's incorrect
and I asked for proof from Quran where Allah says that!
November 1 at 3:44am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Basically u asked a question and I answered from Quran.. U had
a problem with my answer and said that's regarding the message of Allah only...
Till now ur statement is mere claim .. Then the way u asked for proof for my
claim the same way now I'm askin u for proof from Quran that supports ur claim
November 1 at 3:46am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan So now please answer my first question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 1 at 3:46am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan My question about the earth and the sky was because u were
from the beginning dodging my question and would ask diff questions... Cuz u
said the Hadith contradicts itself.. So I gave evidence from Quran that the Quran
clearly contradicts itself
November 1 at 3:49am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Please don't say now I didn't answer ur question... Ur only
gonna make a fool out of urself!
November 1 at 3:50am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Again answer my 2 questions now please!!!
November 1 at 3:50am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Ur like a hyena that runs when it sees a lion and screams victory
from far.... No running... Answer now!!
November 1 at 3:55am via mobile · Like · 2
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Rehaan Waseem He won't be able to...I guarantee it
November 1 at 4:01am via mobile · Like · 1
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Anees Ayaz You brothers are wasting your time.... now i know why Muslims are
not leading others in the world....the most important is unity...we are Muslim
Ummah...Unity Comes First
November 1 at 4:02am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Allah gave me some respect, that is why u see a man on the
pulpit by my name and Allah degraded u that's why we see a man covering his
face out of shame next to ur name
November 1 at 4:03am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan @anees : no room for thaw people, other people attack from
outside, these people attack inside!!!!! Do you want your children growing up not
believing in Hadith?? Tomorrow these people won't even believe in the Quran!!!!
November 1 at 4:07am via mobile · Like
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Anees Ayaz Yes I believe Brother....That comment was for that brother...
November 1 at 4:08am · Like · 2
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Anees Ayaz not for you Brother... I think that brother is among the Munkar-e-
Hadees
November 1 at 4:09am · Like
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Anees Ayaz May Allah give him hadaya in this regard
November 1 at 4:10am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Again oh Hadith rejectors! Answer my 2 questions!
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Here are your answers.
1: where Allah say don't follow Nabi if he speaks about other then wahi?
Answer: Allah didn’t say follow Nabi if he speak other then Wahi but Allah said
this
4:64 “We do not send a messenger except to be obeyed with the permission of
God…”
So believers must obey the messenger according to the laws of God.
2: what did Allah create first the earth or the sky?
Answer: Heavens were already there but they were connected with earth so God
separated the heavens from the earth.
21:30 Have those who rejected not seen that the heavens and the earth were one
piece, so We split them apart? And that We have made from the water everything
that lives. Will they not believe?
43:9 And if you asked them: Who has created the heavens and the earth? They
will say: They were created by the One who is the Noble, the Knowledgeable.
November 1 at 4:11am · Like
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Anees Ayaz Mufti Taha Khan..... I think they dont know the literal meaning oh
Hadith...I studied the importance of Hadith back in Pakistan
November 1 at 4:13am · Like · 2
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Saeed Talpur We believe only the Hadith of Allah which is the Quran. We don't
believe man made hadith invented by the allies of Satan to devalue the Quran.
November 1 at 4:15am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan They don't know anything.. Bringing up all that will only
confuse them more
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Anees Ayaz Ghamidi is famous hadith rejector...... and Geo Network is
supporting him...Oksam billah....almost everyone hates him there
November 1 at 4:16am · Like
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Khidr Amari The COPT OUT!!!! Ask a question with a question:
Mufti Taha Khan said, Khidr ... That question u asked with 4 points about where
does it say we have to follow the prophet..... I answered that by saying where
Allah says to follow him and the prophet! U then said that ayah is saying follow
him in the message from Allah and nothing else... Now I'm saying that that's
incorrect and I asked for proof from Quran where Allah says that!
Again, Mufti, you have proven CLEARLY you can't answer the question because
there is no where in Qur'an that says to follow the Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of
Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger).
November 1 at 4:16am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur 7:16 He said: "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I
will stalk for them on Your straight path."
Try to find the straight Path. Allah will guide you. Insha Allah
November 1 at 4:18am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri: that ayah is in our favor, Allah said that he is to be
obeyed by the permission of god! Telling us that he is not just saying things and
that Allah appointed him that we may obey him!!!
November 1 at 4:18am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Subhanallah how stupid are u... Talpuri dosent know why he is
here also... Scroll up and u will see that first he said that whatever the prophet said
is to be followed aslong as he is living!!!!! Now he is saying that besides the
message u must not follow.....
November 1 at 4:20am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Make up ur mind idiot!!!!
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I provided you with a CLEAR AYAT
validating/confirming Millata Ibrahim mentioned by our Lord by NAME you
can't do the same for our Prophet Muhammad.... you clearly admitted it why is
this impossible for you to do because the Prophet Muhammad also followed the
Millata Ibrahim he didn't come with a Sunnah of his own.
The Prophet Muhammad makes it very clear that he DO NOT POSSESS for them
any HARM OR THE RIGHT PATH:
Key operative: ==> Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and not right
path.
"And when Allah’s servant stood up yadʿūhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kādū
(they almost) yakūnūna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted
mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and
not right path. (72:19-20)
November 1 at 4:23am · Edited · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Monkey Hadith followers. I don't think Allah will remove their veils
if they keep ignoring the fact that Quran is complete.
November 1 at 4:21am · Edited · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Second question is just as stupid as the first... I asked what was
created first??? He answered by saying they were together and Allah seperated
them!!!!! Stupid when they were together did they just appear out if nowhere???
Which one was created first stupid???????????????
November 1 at 4:22am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari So now we are called idiots and stupids and not the name calling
begins I love it it only begins when they know they have been DEFEATED
November 1 at 4:22am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Again show me where Allah says anywhere in the Quran that
don't follow the prophet if he speaks about anything besides the message and
outside being a messenger to the message????????
November 1 at 4:23am via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur These etiquettes comes from the Hadiths I guess.
November 1 at 4:24am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Also which one out of the 2 did Allah create first?
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan Allah NEVER says to follow the Prophet.
November 1 at 4:24am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Allah always says follow the Messenger just like Allah never
corrects Muhammad as the Messenger but Allah always corrects him as the
Prophet, know the difference.
November 1 at 4:25am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Both Heavens and earth were together.
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Mufti Taha Khan U also twisted the meaning of Quran.... That the ayah means
with the laws if Allah??? Wallah Tell me where it says the laws of Allah?
November 1 at 4:26am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Give up bro Mufti Taha Khan....admit that you don't have the
Bayyinat Clear Evidence telling you to follow the Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of
Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger).
November 1 at 4:29am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Allah's laws are in the Quran.
November 1 at 4:29am · Like
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Read the Quran carefully.
31:6 And from the people, there are those who accept BASELESS HADITH to
mislead from the path of God without knowledge, and they take it as
entertainment. These will have a humiliating retribution.
6:112 And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet mankind and
Jinn devils to INSPIRE EACH OTHER WITH FANCY WORDS IN ORDER TO
DECEIVE. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall
disregard them and their fabrications.
68:36 What is wrong with you, how do you judge?
68:37 Or DO YOU HAVE A BOOK WHICH YOU STUDY?
68:38 In it, you can find what you wish?
2:79 So WOE TO THOSE WHO WRITE THE BOOK WITH THEIR HANDS
then say: “This is from God,” so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe
to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.
45:6 These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in
which HADITH after God and His revelations do they believe?
52:34 Let them produce a HADITH like this, if they are truthful.
53:59 Are you surprised by this HADITH?
56:81 Are you disregarding this HADITH?
77:50 So in what HADITH, after it, will they believe?
17:36 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing,
eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for.
November 1 at 4:31am · Like
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Anees Ayaz Saeed Talpur....Brother.....Allah says in the Holy Quran that Firmly
Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah...but you are rejecting the hadith's....How
comes you are saying "Saeed Talpur We believe only the Hadith of Allah which
is the Quran. We don't believe man made hadith invented by the allies of Satan to
devalue the Quran"'...by saying this it also means that you monkey hadith
rejectors don't even believe in the Companions of Prophet Mohammad
P.B.U.H...aSTAGHFIRULLAH......YOU ARE CALLING THEM
SATAANS...may Allah give you hadaya
November 1 at 4:32am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Stupid the prophet didn't have a robe that when he puts it on he
is a prophet and when it's off he is not...
November 1 at 4:32am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Look at this idiot! Ally's laws are in Quran.. When did we say
no... I said هللا نداب does not mean laws of Allah... It means permission!
November 1 at 4:34am via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur Anees Ayaz Where //Allah said in the Holy Quran that Firmly Hold
The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah//? Where is the Sunnah mentioned there?
November 1 at 4:35am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Again khidr .... U still didn't give proof where u make that
addition in the Quran... If u have proof plase provide it
November 1 at 4:35am via mobile · Like
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Anees Ayaz Mufti Taha Khan...Brother....saeed talpur is calling the companions
of Mohammad P.B.U.H... the satans...laholey walla quwata
November 1 at 4:35am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Proof please or go home!!!
November 1 at 4:35am via mobile · Like
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Rehaan Waseem Did I just see that the fool said both heavens and the earth were
created together?
November 1 at 4:35am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Also talpuri : my son! We know all was together but were both
different things! What I asked was that which one was created first... Lemme
make it easier.. In Surah naziaat when Allah says he then created the earth... What
did he create first that he saying and then we created the earth
November 1 at 4:38am via mobile · Like · 1
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Anees Ayaz I also heard the jack ghamidi saying on TV that beard in not the
sunnah of Mohammad P.B.U.H cuz it is not mentioned in Quran...and also
pardaah is not an order from Allah to the Muslims...just for the wives of
Mohammad P.B.U.H
November 1 at 4:38am · Like
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Saeed Talpur Bukhari from Bukhara was enemy of the Prophet Muhammad.
Bukhari invented the Hadiths and attributed to the Prophet just like Paul
misguided the Christians.
November 1 at 4:38am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Again u asked a question... I answered by saying that the
prophet has to be obeyed in everything and I showed u the verse !
November 1 at 4:39am via mobile · Like
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Anees Ayaz Ghamidi is misleading people in Pakistan...but people dont believe
on him....i feel pity on saeed and khidr ahhahahahahah.....may Allah give you
hadaya Ameen
November 1 at 4:39am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan U said that its referring to speech of Nabi giving the message of
Allah meaning Quran and nothing besides that.... Alls I'm saying is that I didn't
find that verse in the quran
November 1 at 4:40am via mobile · Like
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Anees Ayaz Look now saeed is saying that Imam Bukhari is like
Satan....Astaghfirullah
November 1 at 4:40am · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan The proof I gave was:
ط ا ط ا ا ل
November 1 at 4:41am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Your addition:
)فيما أوحي اليه ال في غيره(أطيعوا الرسول
November 1 at 4:43am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Where's the bayyinah that supports ur claim!!!!!!
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Anees Ayaz Saeed Talpur Brother......it is in the Quran...I think you never read the
whole Quran...just the versus only which you want to use to mislead the people
hahahahahahahha...oh saeed! i think you should join qadianism hahahahah they
are the same who say that Hadiths are worth nothinG astaghfirullah
November 1 at 4:44am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Anees Ayaz said, Saeed Talpur....Brother.....Allah says in the Holy
Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah...but you are rejecting
the hadith's....How comes you are saying "Saeed Talpur We believe only the
Hadith of Allah which is the Quran. We don't believe man made hadith invented
by the allies of Satan to devalue the Quran"'...by saying this it also means that you
monkey hadith rejectors don't even believe in the Companions of Prophet
Mohammad P.B.U.H...aSTAGHFIRULLAH......YOU ARE CALLING THEM
SATAANS...may Allah give you hadaya"
@Anees, PLZ show me where it says SUNNAH
November 1 at 4:44am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur ر منأكمأ مأ سول وأولي الأ وأطيعوا الره أطيعوا للاه
November 1 at 4:45am · Like
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Saeed Talpur Do you follow the Hadiths of Ulil Amr too?
November 1 at 4:45am · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again and again and again I have provided you
with Bayyinat CLEAR EVIDENCE what have you provided to defend your
Hadith/Sunnah Doctrine?
November 1 at 4:45am · Like · 1
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Anees Ayaz Mufti Taha Khan....Love you for the proof of ayat from Quran
regarding hold firmly the rope of Quran and Sunnah.....i think saeed is hasn't had
read the whole quran...just the versus which Ghamdi is spread...well i think
Ghamidi even havent had read the whole Quran lolzz hahahah
November 1 at 4:46am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan where does Allah say the Prophet has to be
obeyed?
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Khidr Amari I can show you where Allah says the MESSENGER HAS TO BE
OBEYED...
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I showed you where Allah says Millata Ibrahim
can you do the same and show me where Allah says Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of
Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger)
November 1 at 4:47am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Lets not go off everyone!!!!
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Saeed Talpur Anees Ayaz You told a lie against Allah//You said Allah said in the
Holy Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah//.
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Mufti Taha Khan Let them try answering my question first.. All what u saying
comes later cuz that's in Hadith which they don't believe in
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Mufti Taha Khan That's why I'm using the Quran against them and they can't give
us one single verse where Allah says the don't follow the prophet in his speech...
We said Allah said and follow the prophet! He said that not his own speech and I
simply asked proof for this addition!!!
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Anees Ayaz Saeed Talpur..."""Anees Ayaz You told a lie against Allah//You said
Allah said in the Holy Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And
Sunnah"""""...first read the whole Quran then jump in this platform
November 1 at 4:51am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan We believe only Hadith of Allah not Hadith by
Bukhari and his company.
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Mufti Taha Khan Anees just hold off for abit... Ur giving him a chance to run
from my question.... Talpuri and ur boss khidr!!! Here here answer my questions
please
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan Allah never tells us to follow the Prophet's speech
because he made mistakes, he at times didn't do what Allah asked of him.
November 1 at 4:53am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Again where the addition ur talking about in quran
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Mufti Taha Khan Saying that follow him in the message and not his speech
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Khidr Amari This is common sense as the Prophet he is human and has human
speech prone to human ERROR. As the Messenger he's a agent, representative of
Allah, speaking for Allah which means if he speaks for Allah known as Wahi we
are to obey him because its obeying Allah.
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Mufti Taha Khan One at a time so earth and sky will be asked if u can answer this
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri and the big hyena! Please tell me where the addition is?
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Saeed Talpur Errors Made by Prophet Muhammad in The Quran
Error No 1
8:67 And it was not for any prophet to take prisoners until he is bound by a
campaign. You desire the materials of this world, while God wants the Hereafter
for you. God is Noble, Wise.
8:68 Had it not been previously ordained from God, then a severe punishment
would have afflicted you for what you took.
Error No 2
9:43 God pardons you; why did you give them leave before it became clear to you
who are truthful, and who are lying?
Error No 3
33:37 And you said to the one who was blessed by God, and blessed by you:
Keep your wife and reverence God, and you hid inside yourself what God wished
to proclaim. And you were concerned with the people, while God was more
deserving that you be concerned with. So when Zayd ended his relationship with
his wife, We had you marry her, to establish that there is no wrongdoing for the
believers in marrying the wives of their adopted sons if their relationship is ended.
And the command of God is always done.
Error No 4
66:1 O you prophet, why do you make unlawful what God has made lawful for
you, seeking to please your wives? God is Forgiver, Merciful.
Error No 5
80:1 He frowned and turned away.
80:2 When the blind one came to him.
Error No 6
9:113 It is not for the prophet and those who believe that they should seek
forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they are relatives, after it has been made
clear to them that they are the dwellers of Hell.
November 1 at 4:55am · Like
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Saeed Talpur In the Quran, there are a NUMBER of verses that tell us that the
Messengers did commit mistakes or were ABOUT to make mistakes e.g.
1- Moosa killed a person, 20:40, 28:19,
2- Yunus abandoned his mission, 68:48-49, 37:139-144.
3- Yusuf had almost committed adultery, 12:23-24.
4- Sulaiman missed his prayer while being busy with his horses, 38:30-33
5- Nuh (Noah) cried out for his son and almost protested, 11:45-47.
6- Ibrahim prayed for his rebellious father, 9:114.
7- Mohammad frowned at the blind man, 80:1-2
8- Mohammad came VERY close to yielding the pressure of people around him
and was about to decide a case as per the wishes of people. 17:73-75.
9- Mohammad longed too much for a miracle. 6:34-35
10- Mohammad felt too much distressed for the relatives whom he could see were
heading for hell, and failed to guide them. 16:37, 28:56.
11- Mohammad, asked his verbal son, NOT to divorce his wife, as he was already
told that God wanted him to marry the divorcee of his verbal son. And he did not
want
November 1 at 4:56am · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan this is what the human Prophet told his people:
"And when Allah’s servant stood up yadʿūhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kādū
(they almost) yakūnūna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted
mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and
not right path. (72:19-20)
==> I do not possess for you any harm and not right path. <==
What does this mean to you Mufti?
November 1 at 4:56am · Like · 2
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Anees Ayaz saeed talpur...answers the questions of brother mufti taha...read the
holy quran then say any thing
November 1 at 4:57am · Like
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Khidr Amari Anees Ayaz plz answer my question
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Saeed Talpur Who authorized Bukhari and co to write the Ahadith books?
What “utensils” were used to authorize a Hadith, quote or factual information to
be true?
Who judged and approved a hadith to be true?
How did he judge and approve the hadith to be true?
What physical evidences were provided to the “judges”?
How did they collect their work?
How did they differentiate between true and false Hadith?
What standards were sat in order to approve true hadith (from false hadith?)
What’s the Percentage of doubt?
How many eye witnesses were used?
Why didn’t the prophet himself write anything?
Why didn’t his companions or family write anything?
How many documents or books were found from the prophet’s life? What did
they use as proofs/evidence for every claim?
Can you find one verse from the Quran confirming and verifying the information
in hadith?
November 1 at 4:58am · Edited · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Good job khidr!! So u agree that we have to follow the prophet
in everything????
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Khidr Amari Repost: Mufti Taha Khan
this is what the human Prophet told his people:
"And when Allah’s servant stood up yadʿūhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kādū
(they almost) yakūnūna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted
mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and
not right path. (72:19-20)
==> I do not possess for you any harm and not right path. <==
What does this mean to you Mufti?
November 1 at 4:59am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari If the human Prophet saying he don't have the right path how do you
follow a human Prophet in his personal speech and his personal life when Allah
never tells us to do so?
November 1 at 5:00am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Do you believe the Miracles mentioned in the
Hadiths after reading this verse?
6:35 And if their aversion has become too much for you, then perhaps you could
make a tunnel in the earth, or a ladder to the heavens, and bring them a sign. Had
God willed, He would have gathered them to the guidance; so do not be of the
ignorant ones.
November 1 at 5:03am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Don't ask me until u show me a clear bayyinah with the
addition!!!
Secondly the word is ادش and he is twisting its meaning... He saying that I don't
have the power to mislead anyone or to give them hidayah...
November 1 at 5:03am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So please proof if addition first then other things will be
discussed
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Khidr Amari Hidaya means GUIDANCE
November 1 at 5:05am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Come on Mufti Taha Khan you rejecting the ayats of Allah.
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Anees Ayaz Khidr Amari...what question did you asked....saeed is quite now...it
seems like he just started to read the whole Quran now
November 1 at 5:06am · Like
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Khidr Amari Bascially the Prophet Muhammad is literally saying he can't GUIDE
any one when he was ALIVE so how can a Sunnah or his speech 1,400 years
LATER guide any one?
November 1 at 5:06am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Anees Ayaz said, Saeed Talpur....Brother.....Allah says in the Holy
Quran that Firmly Hold The Rope Of Quran And Sunnah...but you are rejecting
the hadith's....How comes you are saying "Saeed Talpur We believe only the
Hadith of Allah which is the Quran. We don't believe man made hadith invented
by the allies of Satan to devalue the Quran"'...by saying this it also means that you
monkey hadith rejectors don't even believe in the Companions of Prophet
Mohammad P.B.U.H...aSTAGHFIRULLAH......YOU ARE CALLING THEM
SATAANS...may Allah give you hadaya"
@Anees, PLZ show me where it says SUNNAH
November 1 at 5:07am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur 28:56 You cannot guide whom you love. But it is God who guides
whom He wills; and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance.
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr buddy! The ayah is simply saying that I don't have the
power to misguide or give hidayah... How on earth is that proving ur point..
Please I wanna know
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Mufti Taha Khan Even we say prophet dosent have power to guide anyone, his
job is to be a role model for us as Allah says and that we obey him, as for guiding
and all that's in the hands of Allah...
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Saeed Talpur 93:7 And He found you lost, and He guided you?
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Saeed Talpur 28:56 You cannot guide whom you love. But it is God who guides
whom He wills; and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance.
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Mufti Taha Khan Not only are u rejecting the ayaat if Allah where he said follow
prophet, u are also putting words in Allan's mouth by adding things he didn't say
November 1 at 5:11am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Again khidr and talpuri.... Answer and don't run!!!
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Mufti Taha Khan Show me addition in the quran
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Anees Ayaz khidr and saeed..answer the questions of mufti sahib first
November 1 at 5:12am · Like
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Saeed Talpur Anees Ayaz Tell mufti sahib to read the Quran carefully.
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Saeed Talpur 7:188 “Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself
except as God wills. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied
all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of
glad tidings to those who have faith.””
11:31 “”I tell you not that with me are the treasures of God, nor do I know what is
hidden, nor claim I to be an angel. Nor yet do I say, of those whom your eyes do
despise that God will not grant them (all) that is good: God knows best what is in
their souls: I should, if I did, indeed be a wrong-doer.””
10:49 “Say: “I have no power over any harm or profit to myself except as God
wills. To every people is a term appointed: when their term is reached, not an
hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation).””
72:25 “Say: “I know not whether the (Punishment) which ye are promised is near,
or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term”
November 1 at 5:16am · Like
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Saeed Talpur Prophet only followed the Quran. Hadiths are satanic innovation in
Islam.
November 1 at 5:18am · Like
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Anees Ayaz @Saeed talpur.....Mufti Taha Brother had already read the Holy
Quran carefully...but you and khidr need to read it attentively
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Saeed Talpur QURAN WITH EVERY EXAMPLE
25:33 For every EXAMPLE (mathalin) they come to you with, We bring you the
TRUTH (bil-Haqi) and the best (wa-a.sana) explanation (tafsiran).
30:58 We have cited for the people in this Quran of every example. If you come
to them with a sign, those who rejected will say, “You are bringing falsehood!”
39:27 We have cited for the people in this Quran from every example, that they
may take heed.
November 1 at 5:21am · Like
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Khidr Amari Anees Ayaz Mufti Taha Khan haven't been answering my questions
I have answered his now you answer mines
November 1 at 5:22am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr and talpuri !! Lets answer ur questions again cuz what
both if you are verses that have no connection with our topic.... What is your
question my friend!
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Saeed Talpur Anees Ayaz May be your Mufti red the Quran in childhood so tell
him to read it with open mind and seek guidance from God with genuine heart.
Also he must accept the Quran is complete.
November 1 at 5:26am · Edited · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Everyone look at the question and watch my answer
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Mufti Taha Khan Then he gonna say not prophets speech.. I'm goin to say proof
please... He gonna say u didn't answer my question
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan I answered your questions now you answer mine.
Who authorized Bukhari and co to write the Ahadith books?
What “utensils” were used to authorize a Hadith, quote or factual information to
be true?
Who judged and approved a hadith to be true?
How did he judge and approve the hadith to be true?
What physical evidences were provided to the “judges”?
How did they collect their work?
How did they differentiate between true and false Hadith?
What standards were sat in order to approve true hadith (from false hadith?)
What’s the Percentage of doubt?
How many eye witnesses were used?
Why didn’t the prophet himself write anything?
Why didn’t his companions or family write anything?
How many documents or books were found from the prophet’s life? What did
they use as proofs/evidence for every claim?
Can you find one verse from the Quran confirming and verifying the information
in hadith?
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Anees Ayaz Saeed Talpur...may be you are in your childhood now or your mind
is like a child
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri talking about Quran has every example!!!! Are we
talking about examples yet!!! Nope... First the addition in quran
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Mufti Taha Khan Requoting khidr : he said its common scence !!! Bro according
to u a proof is Quran only so don't say common scence please
November 1 at 5:29am via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur Please answer my questions don't try to run away like chicken!
Who authorized Bukhari and co to write the Ahadith books?
What “utensils” were used to authorize a Hadith, quote or factual information to
be true?
Who judged and approved a hadith to be true?
How did he judge and approve the hadith to be true?
What physical evidences were provided to the “judges”?
How did they collect their work?
How did they differentiate between true and false Hadith?
What standards were sat in order to approve true hadith (from false hadith?)
What’s the Percentage of doubt?
How many eye witnesses were used?
Why didn’t the prophet himself write anything?
Why didn’t his companions or family write anything?
How many documents or books were found from the prophet’s life? What did
they use as proofs/evidence for every claim?
Can you find one verse from the Quran confirming and verifying the information
in hadith?
November 1 at 5:31am · Like
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Khidr Amari Let me expose Mufti Taha Khan the Imam, you said, Khidr buddy!
The ayah is simply saying that I don't have the power to misguide or give
hidayah... How on earth is that proving ur point.. Please I wanna know
@Mufti, what is ==> hidayah <==?
Allah makes it clear that its not upon the Prophet Muhammad to guide any one
basically the Prophet Muhammad COULD NOT GUIDE whom he desired to
guide. If this is the case then how could the Prophet' so called 'Sunnah' guide any
one?
"Not upon you hudāhum (is their guidance), but Allah yahdī (guides) whom He
wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not
except seeking Allah's Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be
repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged." 2/272
In another Surah/ayat again we are told:
"Indeed, you do not guide whom aḥbabta (you love), but Allah yahdī (guides)
whom He wills. And He is most knowing bil-muh'tadīna (of the rightly guided)."
28/56
How can the Sunnah of Muhammad be the best of the guidance when Allah
clearly says that the Prophet Muhammad cannot guide. The Qur'an says that
Allah's GUIDANCE is the GUIDANCE OF ALLAH.
"Say: "And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow
their millatahum (creed). Say, "Indeed, hudā (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hudā
(IS THE GUIDANCE)." If you were to follow their desires after what has come
to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper." 2/120
"And do not trust except those who follow your dīnakum (way of conduct)." Say,
"Indeed, hudā (THE TRUE GUIDANCE) hudā (IS THE GUIDANCE) of Allah.
lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would
[thereby] argue with you before your Lord?" Say, "Indeed, [all] bounty is in the
hand of Allah - He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing
and Wise." 3/73
"Say, "Shall we invoke instead of Allah that which neither benefits us nor harms
us and be turned back on our heels after Allah has guided us? [We would then be]
like one whom the devils enticed [to wander] upon the earth confused, [while] he
has companions inviting him to guidance, [calling], 'Come to us.' " Say, "Indeed,
hudā (THE GUIDANCE) of Allah it hudā (IS THE GUIDANCE); and we have
been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds." 6/71
Allah tells us clearly that the Qur'an is the Best Hadith:
"Allah has sent down the ahsana (best) ا ḥadīthi: a consistent Book wherein
is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their
skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah . THAT IS THE
GUIDANCE OF ALLAH of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one
whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide." 39/23
"And when Allah’s servant stood up yadʿūhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kādū
(they almost) yakūnūna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted
mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and
not rashadan (right path). (72:19-20)
Allah doesn't even use the Arabic word ==> hidayah <== Allah uses ==>
rashadan <==
The same word ==> rashadan <== the Prophet Muhammad said he do not have is
used in Surah 2/256:
" There shall be no compulsion in the system. -rush'du (The right course) has
become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in
Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is
Hearing and Knowing." 2/256
again used in:
"[Mention] when the youths retreated to the cave and said, "Our Lord, grant us
from Yourself mercy and prepare for us from our affair rashadan (right
guidance)." 18/10
"And We had certainly given Abraham his rush'dahu (right guidance) before, and
We were of him well-Knowing" 21/51
So back again to our Prophet Muhammad he said,
""And when Allah’s servant stood up yadʿūhu (calling upon Him) (Allah), kādū
(they almost) yakūnūna (became) alayhi (around him) libadan (a compacted
mass/crowded) around him. Say: Indeed, I do not possess for you any harm and
not rashadan (right path)." 72:19-20
Clear and simple he is saying he does not have the ability to GUIDE ANY ONE
only Allah guides:
"Not upon you hudāhum (is their guidance), but Allah yahdī (guides) whom He
wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not
except seeking Allah's Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be
repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged." 2/272\
November 1 at 5:33am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri jumping around again as was taught to him by khidr...
When u get stuck ask him a diff question ... Is there a bug up ur butt that's forcing
u to hop around?
November 1 at 5:34am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Answer my question please and I swear we will answer ur
questions... It's only gonna get worse after wallah
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan bro Give up now your lies are exposed now. So
please read the Quran carefully.
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Mufti Taha Khan Just a taste.... His whole point is how are Hadith reliable... He
said were there any eye witnesses and stuff.. To begin with yes there were, and if
you still don't accept it's authenticity then my question to u is how u know ur
father is ur father????? U didn't see him having sex with ur mom?? This is when u
don't have trust in normal people... How u know there
Exists a wall called china wall? I've never witnessed it!!!! In life trusting people
to some extent is a must
November 1 at 5:39am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Again now back to the question khidr !!! Where's the ayah
saying what ur saying about not accepting the prophets speech... And don't say
common scence again cuz according to u proof is only from quran
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpur to u too again no hopping around bunny
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Uzair Rauf so allah doesnt tell us to obey the messenger because that would be
the only way to obey the message (quran) since he was sent to REVEAL the
message? he ordered us to obey the messenger because he wants us to go directly
against the quran by taking the prophet as partners with allah and commit shirk?
ok.. do you know where I can find the commands of the prophet then, because in
the quran, allah does not seem to authorize any other scriptures.. im confused.
why is Allah so irresponsible?
November 1 at 5:42am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Please answer people
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan to tip it OFF and break the SCALE of your
Batil/Falsehood that the Prophet Muhammad can GUIDE:
Allah says,
"So when we heard alhuda (THE GUIDANCE) we believed in it; and he who
believes in his Lord will neither fear loss nor force." 72/13
"So, as for those who believed in Allah and held fast to Him, He will admit them
to His Mercy and Grace (i.e. Paradise), and guide them to Himself by the ṣirāṭan
(path) mus'taqīman (straight)." 4/175
"And also some of their fathers and their progeny and their brethren, We chose
them, and We guided them to the ṣirāṭin (path) mus'taqīmin (straight) dhālika
(That) hudā (is the Guidance) of Allah." 6/87
So we have it as clear as day Allah GUIDES and no one else even the Prophet
Muhammad could not guide a single soul.
"And upon Allah qaṣdu (is the responsibility) sabīli (of the way)..." 16/9
November 1 at 5:56am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan is DEFEATED he can't validate following Nataq-
un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger).
I have proven without a doubt that the Prophet Muhammad COULD NOT
GUIDE a single soul not alone his Sunnah that doesn't exist and I have proven
that it is Allah ALONE and His Best Hadith that was revealed to the Prophet
Muhammad that GUIDES.
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Saeed Talpur LOL Mufti Taha Khan You should read the Quran from the start
now.
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr son... Show me where I said that the prophet has power to
guide... Please my son show me where I said that... Obvi. If u can add words that
Allah didn't say then where do I stand... But Allah has prepared hell for you there
and I'll make hell here... So where did I say the prophet has power to guide
November 1 at 6:01am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Another attempt to take the spotlight off my question
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Rehaan Waseem It's so cute how desperately these fools try to give themselves
the illusion of victory
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm not the one that's not answering buddy
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan you said the Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/
Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) guides correct?
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Mufti Taha Khan When I bite... I don't let go till ur finished... U trying to run
away is not gonna help
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Khidr Amari If you deny that the Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) does not guide then you and I agree.
November 1 at 6:03am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Didn't I say just answer the question... Then why jump to other
things?
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Khidr Amari lol I don't need help Mufti Taha Khan I have Qur'an what do you
have? I have answered your questions what have you presented any one who read
these comments between you, Rehaan Waseem and other Sunnis will be ashamed.
November 1 at 6:04am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Now tell me why u running from my wuestion
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Khidr Amari You have no answers but love to ask the questions Sunni character
indeed.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan does the Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/
Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) guide yes or no
November 1 at 6:06am · Like
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Rehaan Waseem You didn't answer anything khidr you ducked and dodged all the
questions
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Mufti Taha Khan Question*
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan ok I have answered your questions why haven't
you answered mines. Let us make this simple what is your question Mufti after I
answer your you answer mines
November 1 at 6:07am · Like
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Khidr Amari I will let people see how you don't like to answer questions....what
was your QUESTION?
November 1 at 6:08am · Like
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Khidr Amari I have the truth not afraid to answer questions according to the
Qur'an.
November 1 at 6:09am · Like
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Saeed Talpur Rehaan Waseem Can you answer these simple questions? Mufti
Taha Khan is trying to avoid my questions for some reason may be you have good
knowledge about the Hadiths.
Who authorized Bokhari and co to write the Ahadith books?
What “utensils” were used to authorize a Hadith, quote or factual information to
be true?
Who judged and approved a hadith to be true?
How did he judge and approve the hadith to be true?
What physical evidences were provided to the “judges”?
How did they collect their work?
How did they differentiate between true and false Hadith?
What standards were sat in order to approve true hadith (from false hadith?)
What’s the Percentage of doubt?
How many eye witnesses were used?
Why didn’t the prophet himself write anything?
Why didn’t his companions or family write anything?
How many documents or books were found from the prophet’s life? What did
they use as proofs/evidence for every claim?
Can you find one verse from the Quran confirming and verifying the information
in hadith?
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Mufti Taha Khan Let me answer ur question this way... If we are told by ALLAH
to follow him and his prophet then yes, if no (which u still have to prove) then
no...
November 1 at 6:12am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan we are told to follow Allah's Messenger
November 1 at 6:14am · Like · 1
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Rehaan Waseem Stop jumping around Saeed. Everything will be answered STEP
BY STEP. Don't try to divert the attention away from tthe subject
November 1 at 6:14am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Where does the Qur'an say follow the Prophet
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpur cracked his little joke... He got his butt handed to him so
he had to say something... He said it like he just finished the Quran right now....
Lol
November 1 at 6:15am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Again khidr... Answer my initial question.... Where is ur proof
that his speech is not to be followed in quran
November 1 at 6:16am via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan I think you have wasted your life reading the fake
hadiths. I believe you still have time to understand the Quran.
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Mufti Taha Khan I didn't ask for a joke.. I asked for proof? I think u need to
search the Quran... Cuz ur the one who has to provide the answer so why are u
telling me to read
November 1 at 6:22am via mobile · Like
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Uzair Rauf following the messenger means following the sunnah of the prophet?
when u follow someone on twitter, are you following their sunnah as well? no, u
are subscribing to the sayings of the person u subscribe to, just as the people were
order to subscribe to the messenger because the message was being revealed
through his mouth.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said,
"Again khidr... Answer my initial question.... Where is ur proof that his speech is
not to be followed in quran"
@Mufti, Allah says in Surah 3:31,
“Say: "If ye do love Allah, ‘fa-ittabi’ūnī’ (then follow me): Allah will love you
and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
What did the Prophet Muhammad follow?
“O you nabiyu (prophet), you shall ittaqi (reverence) Allah and do not obey the
disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. wa-ittabiʿ (And
follow) what is yūḥā (revealed) to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant
of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah… (33:1-3)
The proof that we are not suppose to follow the Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)
is because Allah tells us to follow what was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad
even he to had to follow it. What was revealed to the Prophet, the Qur'an.
November 1 at 6:25am · Like · 2
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Rehaan Waseem @uzair the Quranic language is not the same as Twitter
language
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Uzair Rauf mufti, if we obeyed the sayings of Allah and obeyed the sayings of the
prophet as well, wouldnt that be taking partners with Allah? please use common
sense. Allah is the sole ruler and lawmaker in islam. we are only told to obey the
messenger because the message, the quran, was being revealed through his mouth.
again, common sense
November 1 at 6:26am via mobile · Like · 2
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Rehaan Waseem Sorry for the rude awakening
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Uzair Rauf oh rehaan, so following the messenger means following the sunnah of
the prophet? ok, could you give me a verse from the quran that tells me where u
can find these scriptures detailing his sunnah, because I cant find it. I guess Allah
is irresponsible for not guiding us correctly.
November 1 at 6:32am via mobile · Like · 1
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Uzair Rauf also could you give me a verse about the sahabas recording the actions
of the prophet?
November 1 at 6:33am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan i believe I answered your question now in return
please produce the ayat telling us that the Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/
Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) is suppose to be followed.
November 1 at 6:41am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Can u tell me where u provided me with the ayah supporting ur
claim... I don't see it man... Repost it... And remember till now I was asking u the
verse that says don't follow the prophet in things beside the message... Repost the
verse if you already posted it
November 1 at 6:48am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari The GAMES Sunnis play....
Mufti Taha Khan said,
" Can u tell me where u provided me with the ayah supporting ur claim... I don't
see it man... Repost it... And remember till now I was asking u the verse that says
don't follow the prophet in things beside the message... Repost the verse if you
already posted it"
"Again khidr... Answer my initial question.... Where is ur proof that his speech is
not to be followed in quran"
@Mufti, Allah says in Surah 3:31,
“Say: "If ye do love Allah, ‘fa-ittabi’ūnī’ (then follow me): Allah will love you
and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
What did the Prophet Muhammad follow?
“O you nabiyu (prophet), you shall ittaqi (reverence) Allah and do not obey the
disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. wa-ittabiʿ (And
follow) what is yūḥā (revealed) to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant
of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah… (33:1-3)
We are told to follow the Messenger never the Prophet. The Burden of proof
Mufti is on you to produce the AYAT telling us to follow the Prophet. Even in
Surah 33/21 says to follow the messenger's 'uswatun hasana/excellent example so
once again I have proven to you through the ayats that Allah's says to follow what
was revealed to the Prophet and what was revealed, the Qur'an. In terms of
following the messenger's excellent example well his example is in Qur'an also.
Its in the same Book of Guidance that was revealed to him. His example was the
Source he followed and the source we are also told to follow. Where is your proof
Mufti to follow the Prophet, produce the ayat.
November 1 at 6:54am · Like
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Rehaan Waseem Don't blame your misguidance on Allah Uzair and these convos
will deal with ONE ISSUE AT A TIME
November 1 at 6:55am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Yes one issue at a time please...
November 1 at 6:56am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Rehaan Waseem you have yet to answer my questions one at a time
I would move on if I was you, Uzair Rauf he has been exposed already bro.
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr said he answered me by providing the ayah where it
supports his claim that Allah said don't follow the prophet in things beside the
message
November 1 at 6:57am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari You sunnis don't know how to answer questions directly.
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Rehaan Waseem Lol look at his answer
November 1 at 6:59am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari My point exactly lol you run and hide and evade simple questions.
November 1 at 6:59am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Wow... Didn't answer but now listen... No one comment right
now ... Imma answer him in short questions
November 1 at 7:02am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr and crew... Is the prophet a Nabi ?
November 1 at 7:03am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari I answered it completely now you produce your proof that we are to
follow the Prophet...or follow Hadith or look outside of Qur'an for an explanation
of the Qur'an to Hadith? Waiting......
November 1 at 7:03am · Edited · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm answering it by asking baby questions.... Is he a nabi
November 1 at 7:06am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan he's a nabi yes which relates to the human side of
who he is...his speech, his peronal life, we went over this already you don't read it
seems. repost:
‘The prophet’ is Muhammad; the man himself, in his life, in his private affairs, in
his social relations with those around him, and in his human conduct. Owing to
his human conduct, he was susceptible to rebuke from Allah. For this reason, he
used to be rebuked in his capacity as a prophet <==
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Mufti Taha Khan Ok so he is a Nabi....... Now in the Quran in Fatiha Allah
teaches us a dua and says ask me for guidance to the straight path.. The path of
those upon whom Allah favored? Yes or no
November 1 at 7:14am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Yes, no doubt
November 1 at 7:22am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan The Quran also says that the Quran itself is the best form of
tafseer? You have said this before aswell correct?
November 1 at 7:25am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Of course it is Ahsan_ul_Tafsir the best explanation and exegesis of
Allah’s Book.
<Wa la_ yatu_naka bimasalin il la_ jina_ka bil haq qi wa ahsana tafsira>
”And no example do they bring to thee but We bring to thee the truth and the best
‘Tafsir’ (exegesis)” (25:33)
November 1 at 7:29am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Ur gone bro! The Quran explains itself as to what people it
refers to in Fatiha... When he said ask for hidayah and the path of THOSE upon
whom u favored... He explains in fifth juz that the ask me for the path of those
upon whom I favored from NABIYYEEN firstly then siddiqeen and shuhada and
saliheen... What does it equal = ask for hidayah to the straight path.... Path of
nabiyyeen = follow prophet
November 1 at 7:39am via mobile · Like · 5
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan post the ayat where Allah says follow the Nabi its
a simple request....
November 1 at 7:42am · Like
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Khidr Amari You asked me questions after questions I answered now I'm asking
you to produce the ayat that says follow the Nabi..................................................
November 1 at 7:42am · Like
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Rehaan Waseem You've been proven wrong here Khidr stop being hard headed
November 1 at 7:43am via mobile · Like · 1
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Rehaan Waseem Your criteria is of no value here this is very clear cut
November 1 at 7:44am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Answer my question Rehaan Waseem in the other post...
November 1 at 7:46am · Like
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Khidr Amari Rehaan Waseem you been exposed please move on.
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Mufti Taha Khan Are u stupid... I just showed u in ur own logic... What problem
do u have with this answer... U accepted him to be a Nabi... U accepted we ask for
guidance from Allah and Allah says the path if those who Allah favored... Then u
accepted the Quran is its best explanation... Then u accepted that Allah makes
clear who he meant .... Hence ur trapped.... So now why is this not enough
evidence from Quran? Everything I said was from Quran and u accepted it every
single step of the way
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan your the one resorting to NAME CALLING
becaue you can't refute the Qur'an. I have been producing ayats after ayats while
you produce NOTHING telling us to follow the Prophet or Sunnah of the Prophet.
Where does Allah say follow the Nabi? You don't know because its no where in
Qur'an. Allah says follow the Messenger over and over again, does Allah run out
of words?
November 1 at 8:36am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari There is a REASON why Allah never says follow the Prophet i have
explained it to you but your illogical thinking won't accept that you have been
exposed. Just give up now Mufti Taha Khan and take this as a learning
experience.
November 1 at 8:37am · Like · 2
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Uzair Rauf rehaan waseem: "dont blame your misguidance on Allah uzair and
these convos will deal with one issue at a time"... lol youre never going to get to
my 'issue' of stating that there is not a single quranic verse that authorizes other
scriptures to be followed because of that reason alone. there are no quranic verses
that allow for thr following of other scriptures, and you know this. because
evrrytime we ask u to refer us to one, you pretend as though u never even heard
us. You sunnis call us misguided when u have no response or are unable to
respond. Please start using your minds because uts obvious your big bearded
mullah scholars are doing the thinking for you.
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr.. U wanted proof from Quran... I took u by the hand like a
child and took u thru the verses.. U accepted everything step by step... It's from
Quran to... Why are u not accepting it... Now don't change topic and say stupid
things like u didn't answer and jump to a diff question.... I just dissed u and ur
telling me u didn't answer the question .....
November 1 at 11:19am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan My question to u is what criteria did my answer not
meet.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 1 at 11:19am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan U either gonna give me ur reason for not accepting... Or go
home covering ur face...
November 1 at 11:21am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So how is my step by step ayat and bayyinaat not acceptable
November 1 at 11:21am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan After this I have ready question after question that u and ur
agents can never answer
November 1 at 11:22am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm just getting started
November 1 at 11:23am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm just as determined as u people... I'm not going anywhere... I
wanna show ur cowardness and stupidity to the world....
November 1 at 11:27am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So now tell me how I didn't answer ur question... What's
missing especially if u accepted EVERYTHING step by step that too from
Quran... So what is my answer missing.... Either u accept defeat here and we
move on to the next set of questions I have!
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Ibraheem Muhammad To the 2 agents of kufr, how do you perform your salaat?
That is if you do. Can you show us the steps of salaat in the Quraan?
November 1 at 11:39am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan They'll show u proof from Quran about sajdah and ruku.... But
ask them in what order do I pray... Sajdah is proven but where to place the hands
n all
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Ibraheem Muhammad Oh yes I want all details in order! These guys are qadianis,
right?
November 1 at 11:52am · Like · 4
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Mufti Taha Khan But just hold for abit... Let him tell me what's wrong with my
answer, because he wanted a verse from Quran showing where we should follow
the prophet and how Allah says follow the path of the prophet.... So now he has to
tell me why he is not accepting my answer
November 1 at 11:53am via mobile · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again, and again, and again I have shown you clear
ayats please don't talk to me like I'm some child Mufti you have not shown me
obey the Prophet NO WHERE IN QUR'AN. Admit that its not there if your a man
or a truth speaking person stop playing games. No where does Allah say Obey the
Prophet...you want to make yourself look good if this is all you have go for it but
we know the truth.
November 1 at 2:34pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Any one reading this will see clearly who has provided the Bayyinat
so I'll let those who read this judge for themselves truth needs no support
November 1 at 2:35pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Ibraheem Muhammad before you start calling people Kafirs learn
how the Quranic etiquette show some respect.
November 1 at 2:36pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Before you come here Ibraheem Muhammad saying how can we do
this and that without Qur'an first maybe you you can muster up the guts to provide
me with an ayat something that Mufti Taha Khan has failed to do that can answre
my four points:
PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF
THE FOLLOWING:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
@again, Mufti has failed, Rehaan Waseem has failed ALL OF THE SUNNIS
with the name thus far has failed.
November 1 at 2:38pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan want to talk about Salaat again I provided the
basics from Qur'an, this is Allah's Book now Mufti show me from your Hadith
how to make a complete Salaat from beginning to end using one hadith you won't
be able to do so. You wo n't be able to do so because one hadith isn't enough you
need tons of tons of Hadith to make a Salaat and even then your Hadith will not
show you clearly how to make a full and complege Salaat from beginning to the
very end...so please if you want to talk about Qur'an not having the details you
better talk about your own Hadith not having the details.
November 1 at 2:43pm · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr... Look back at what U wrote.... U just said I gave u
answer after answer!!!! I NEVER ASKED A NEW QUESTION !!! I asked what's
wrong with my answer?????????????????????? That I gave earlier
November 1 at 8:19pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan One thing at a time please... And I can't help but take u as a
kid.... I'm sorry but it is what it is
November 1 at 8:20pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So please don't say: mufti taha I answered u again and again
with bayyinaat... Because I never asked u a new question..... My question was that
what is wrong with my answer where I showed u that we are to follow the path of
the prophet
November 1 at 8:22pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So u have to tell me what's wrong with my answer ONLY
November 1 at 8:23pm via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan What was the question?
November 1 at 8:24pm · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan And buddy we don't fail cuz u said we failed ...... Look who's
not telling me what criterions is my answer not meeting?????? Look who's failing
lol
November 1 at 8:24pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Again so I need to know why my answer dosent have... It
clearly said the path of the
prophet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 1 at 8:25pm via mobile · Like
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Saeed Talpur Prophet followed the Straight Path (Sirat e Mustaqeem). 6:161
November 1 at 8:33pm · Edited · Like
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Saeed Talpur Allah is also on a Straight Path (Sirat e Mustaqeem). 11:56
November 1 at 8:33pm · Edited · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan U idiot... Before u write verses... In a short line tell us what ur
teying to prove then quote.... What are u trying to prove..... U have to tell me why
my answer is incomplete when I proved that Allah says the tread the path of the
prophet
November 1 at 8:39pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan And in that ayah Allah said that this is my path!!!! Not that I'm
on it or I'm following it..... So don't misquote it....... He then said the prophet is on
that same path...
November 1 at 8:41pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan So again I showed u that we have to follow the prophet saw .....
Khidr has to tell me what's wrong with the answer I gave u earlier... Also u too
talpuri can try answering...........
November 1 at 8:42pm via mobile · Like
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Ibraheem Muhammad Khidr n uzair? U want to follow the quran only fine with
me. Tell us exactly where are your names in the quraan? Uzair can be proven to
be a name in the quraan, but prove from verses that khidr is a name?
November 1 at 8:54pm · Like · 2
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Ibraheem Muhammad But u will not answer, because you 2 are worthless
qadianis! No point arguing with u. May Allah show you both the straight path
November 1 at 8:56pm · Like
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Saeed Talpur My name saeed is in the Quran in verse 11:105. IF anyone's name
mentioned in the Quran does not make him/her superior or inferior in sight of
God.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan your self delusional and I love your attacks and
insults calling us names but can't produce one ayat defending your baseless
claims. Your mushrik behavior taking other than the Book of Allah for law is told
to us in Qur'an. Again, you have not produced the AYATS telling us to follow the
Prophet....
You have not produced the ayat telling us to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of
Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
Where did you learn your Deen from Mufti not the Qur'an but from conjecture
hadith books I have exposed you too many times any one who takes a look at our
exchange will see who humilated who and its clear as day you have been
defeated.
November 1 at 10:47pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Now Mufti Taha Khan I will give you a warning to watch your
mouth you claim to be following the Qur'an hence the Qur'an says to have respect
it teaches us etiquette stop calling people names no one is an idiot, kid, stupid this
is your warning if you continue to insult us your presence here has already been
EXPOSED as not being able to defend your false doctrine so now if you keep up
the insults you'll be boooted for your foolish behavior.
November 1 at 10:49pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Ibraheem Muhammad we follow Qur'an because Allah tells us to
you seem to have a problem with that but if you want us to follow Nataq-un-
Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
then produced the AYATS simple as that your other brothers Sunnis have failed
to do so.
November 1 at 10:50pm · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr my man !! Lets do this again and I'm answering u in a
question format.... Do u believe that Allah taught us a dua in Fatiha that oh Allah
GUIDE us... Then Allah says on the path of those who he favored? I'm answering
u so please just answer
November 1 at 11:01pm via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan what your doing is evading my question that is
simple you trying to shy away from a simple question you can't answer because
you don't want to get more embarassed and look more foolish than what you have
been thus far. Its not about Allah guiding us I asked you a simple question can
you produce the ayat that says to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/
Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ its a simple yes or no.
November 1 at 11:04pm · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Ohhhhhh so ur saying that the it has to say the name or Nabi
and follow him?????? U know what ... In the Quran it says regarding 3 people that
they were left behind until the vast earth became narrow upon them.... 11 juz, can
u tell me WHO they were? And what was there story???
November 1 at 11:11pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Which one of these Hadith do you believe?
Where is God according to the Quran?
6:103 The eyesight cannot reach Him, yet He can reach all eyesight; and He is the
Subtle, the Expert.
Where is God according to BUKHARI Hadith?
DO NOT SPIT IN FRONT OF YOURSELF, GOD IS THERE
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
While the Prophet was praying, he saw sputum (on the wall) of the mosque, in the
direction of the Qibla, and so he scraped it off with his hand, and the sign of
disgust (was apparent from his face) and then said, "Whenever anyone of you is in
prayer, he should not spit in front of him (in prayer) because Allah is in front of
him."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 132:
What will you do Obey Allah and Obey Messenger or Obey Bukhari?
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Uzair Rauf lol I dont think ill be able to count the number of times kidr and I have
asked u people to produce one shred of evidence from the quran about Allah
authorizing that we follow scriptures outside of the quran... not once have u
answered. youre too busy calling us names and praying that Allah guide us.
typical sunnis.
November 1 at 11:19pm via mobile · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, does not the Qur'an say in Surah 16/123 Allah
instructs Prophet Muhammad to follow Prophet Ibrahim ==> Millata Ibrahim <==
yes it does have to say it. If you can't produce the ayat this means that the Prophet
Muhammad did not have a Sunnah of his own. Allah never instructs us to follow
Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger).
Allah tells us to follow the Messenger meaning the message.
lol here we go again evading my question if Allah did not mention the 3 people
you are asking about I can care less about their names and their story if the story
wasn't fully mentioned in the Qur'an. Now if your saying that the 3 people Allah
failed to mention in His Book that Allah tells us that His Book (Al Qur'an) is
COMPLETE, PERFECT, FULLY DETAILED AND THAT IT EXPLAINS ALL
THINGS (Qur’aan 6:114-115; 16:89; 6:38; 12:111) yet it fails to mention 3 names
so the 3 names are found in the Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) once again you
need to produce the ayat directing me to put down the Qur'an for these 3 names
and go pick up the books of Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) called Hadith.
Where is the ayat?
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Uzair Rauf following the speech of the prophet would be taking the prophet as
partners with allah and would be committing shirk. im pretty sure a child could
have figured this out, but the big bearded mullah scholars who you people blindly
follow cant. But still, feel free to call us kafirs.
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Mufti Taha Khan No jumping all u.... If the Quran has everything in it and all
makes scence in it... Then why did Allah not complete the story ..,, if everything
should make scence
November 1 at 11:48pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan And look at uzair... According to him if u listen or follow
someone ur doin shirk... Allah says obey ur parents ???? Remember what u said
firstly... So is that doing shirk ???? U follow ur boss at work... U listen and obey
the rules of this country ... This all makes u a mushrik according to u...
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Mufti Taha Khan So khidr... Does the Quran make complete scence? And nothing
in it is left where explanation is needed and all the stories are fully explained in
the Quran so the readers don't have any questions?? Yes or no
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Uzair Rauf you sunnis claim that you'put the quran before everything else and
judge everything by the quran first'.. yet when you find something ur parents and
teachers have taught you is not in the quran, you deem the quran, the word of
allah as incomplete. hypocrisy.
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Mufti Taha Khan And talpuri said that where is Allah according to u cuz there's
different Hadith regarding where he says???
My friend : Allah says he is on the throne in Surah taha... But in qaaf he says we
are closer to u then the jugular vain.. What answer do u give for that
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Uzair Rauf lol mufti, the difference is that im not obeying my boss and parents for
islamic guidance that will determine my afterlife. please use common sense. For
islamic guidance, allah is the sole lawmaker snd ruler and we shall not set any
partners with him.
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Mufti Taha Khan Everyone is asked seperate questions
Khidr was asked: does the Quran make complete scence, it explains
EVERYTHInG so the reader has no question left?
Talpuri was asked: where is Allah according to Quran ... On the throne or our
jugular vain?
And uzair was asked: because his rule is that following or obeying other then
Allah is shirk.. So I asked him why then do u obey the city rules in regards to
speeding and all. And why does he drive the car in his lane and not into oncoming
traffic and why does he listen to his boss ??
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Mufti Taha Khan Lets sit back and look at what answer these people guve
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Mufti Taha Khan Look at uzair: his statement was that I don't follow my boss for
guidance right? So he can I ey others if guidance is not the objective... Provide a
verse saying that in non guidance matters we can follow other then Allah!!!!!
From Quran only... Again look at ur claim I wanna know what verse supports ur
claim
November 2 at 12:04am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan As uzair said common scence was his proof.. Everyone please
look back... I'm telling him that's not a proof according to him so give a verse
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said:
"So khidr... Does the Quran make complete scence? And nothing in it is left
where explanation is needed and all the stories are fully explained in the Quran so
the readers don't have any questions?? Yes or no"
"Everyone is asked seperate questions ....Khidr was asked: does the Quran make
complete scence, it explains EVERYTHInG so the reader has no question left?"
Mufti...
again Not I, but Allah tells us that His Book (Al Qur’aan) is COMPLETE,
PERFECT, FULLY DETAILED AND THAT IT EXPLAINS ALL THINGS
(Qur’aan 6:114-115; 16:89; 6:38; 12:111), amazing you just said 'if the qur'an has
everything in it and all makes sense in it then why did Allah not complete the
story ...if everything should make sense"
What does Allah say:
And when Allah made a covenant with those who were given the Book:
latubayyinunnahu
(You certainly make it clear) to men walā (and do not) taktumūnahu (conceal it);
but fanabadhūhu (they cast it) warāa (behind) ẓuhūrihim (their backs) and took a
small price for it; so evil is that which they buy." 3/187
Who do you think Allah is speaking about those who made the covenant after
being given the Book that the Prophet made it clear for? You all who believe we
should follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) contained in OUTSIDE books called Hadith compiled by Persian
Imams over 200 years after the Prophet's death written by men have abandoned
the Qur'an.
In Surah At-Tur, the unbelievers are challenged:
"Or do they say: He has forged it. Nay! they do not believe. Then let them bring a
‘Hadith’ similar to it if they are truthful." (52:33-34)
Yet, Mufti this is what you are calling us to another book instead of the Qur'an.
Allah says let disbelievers produce another Hadith like this Qur'an and the
disbelievers took on Allah's challenge without a doubt. What are the Muslims
between Sunnis and Shites following today not the Qur'an, what are you quoting
today, not the Qur'an, its Hadith.
Its no wonder the Prophet Muhammad will say on the day of Judgement that his
people has abandoned the Qur'an.
"And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this
Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned." 25/30
Now the question is what has the Muslims abandoned the Qur'an for? Easy
question once again its called Hadith which Mufti you would say are the Nataq-
un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger).
You continue to question Allah's assertions about His Book being complete, fully
detailed and explaining all things in terms of righteous guidance Allah says about
His own Book yet Allah says,
“Whatever argument they come up with, we provide you with the truth, and a
better understanding." 25/33
“…We did not leave anything out of this book… (6:38),” and
“…We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything…
(16:89),” and
“…This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Qur’an) confirms all previous scriptures
[and] provides the details of everything… " (12:111)
The True believers of Allah and His Messenger believes in the Qur'an are in no
hurry to accuse the Book of Allah with deficiency or ambiguity making it in need
of clarification, or that it came to us sketchy and thus it’s in need of someone to
give the details like you Sunnis and Shites, Mufti. We are the ones who believes
in the Qur’an, believes Allah’s assertion that He did not leave anything out of the
Quran and that it came down clarifying and detailing everything.
Allah tells us clearly:
“By the sky that returns (the water). By the earth that cracks (to grow plants). This
is a serious narration. Not to be taken lightly. (86:11-14)”.
“We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance,
and mercy for the people who believe. (7:52)”.
“A scripture whose verses provide the complete details, in an Arabic Qur’an, for
people who know. (41:3)”.
As for Mufti and other Sunnis and Shites who don’t know, you are the ones who
challenge the Qur’an’s assertions, disbelieving its clarity and not believing that it
details everything; I mean we hear the same old lame questions:
1) 'Where is the number of units of prayer mentioned in the Qur’an?’ or,
2) ‘Where is the method for prayer mentioned in the Qur’an?’ or,
3) ‘How should we perform the pilgrimage?’
4) ‘Where are the days of the week mentioned in the Qur’an?’
Now Allah makes it simple about His Book addressing those who challenged
Allah's Book in the past:
Allah says,
“As for those who saʿaw (constantly challenge) āyātinā (our revelations)
muʿājizīna (to cause failure) those for them ʿadhābun (is a punishment) of foul
nature painful. And see those who have been given the knowlege that what unzila
(is revealed) from your Lord. ḥaqa (It is the truth) wayahdī (and it guides) to ṣirāṭi
(the Path) azīzi
(of the All-Mighty) ḥamīdi (the Praiseworthy)." 34/5
Thus, Allah refers to them in this verse in the past tense, so what of the present
after the death of the Prophet Muhammad up until 2012?
DIRE WARNING to you Mufti and the rest of you who continue to challenge
Allah's assertions:
Allah says,
“wa-alladhīna (As for those who) yasʿawna (consistently challenge) fī (against)
āyātinā (our revelations) muʿājizīna ((to cause failure) those into the punishment
muḥ'ḍarūna (will be brought)." 34/38
All of you who keep questioning Allah's Book claiming deficiencies better take
heed.....
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Uzair Rauf lol mufti.. are u seriousky asking these questions. the qurans purpose
is to guide us so we can be successful in the afterlife. everything the quran talks
about is for the benefit of our guidance. when allah tells us not to take partners
with him, it is partners for islamic guidance. obeying my boss has nothing to do
with the quran or islamic guidance. it is for my worldly success.
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Khidr Amari So who do you believe if your a Sunni/Shite reading this Allah's
Book that it is complete and fully detailed or Mufti?
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Uzair Rauf and if Allah wants us to obey the speech of the prophet for islamic
guidance, why wont the quran lead me to scriptures so I can do this? does allah
not want me to be guided? does allah not want me to fullfill the important quranic
command of obeying the prophet?
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr is saying yes the Quran explains everything .... Perfect
and he gave all these verse saying that it is all perfect
So khidr: can I show some places where the Quran is not perfect?
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Mufti Taha Khan And uzair keeps saying its understood ... That's not a proof to
u... If that's proof to u then I will say that some things are not complete in Quran
so it's UNDERSTOOD that we find something that Allah refers us to and we take
it.... Again provide a verse saying that!!!!
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Show us the places where the Quran is not perfect
for guidance.
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Khidr Amari Check mate, I didn't say the Qur'an explains everything in terms of
guidance Allah did I'm just repeating what Allah says about His Book. Is this not
total rejection of the Book of Allah denying the ayats? Now Mufti Taha Khan
makes an assumption trying to prove that the Qur'an is imperfect also Subhan
Allah.
Allah says,
“The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate
His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. (6:115)”.
…Today, I have completed your system, perfected My blessing upon you, and I
have decreed Submission as the system for you… (5:3)”
“If all the trees on earth were made into pens, and the ocean supplied the ink,
augmented by seven more oceans, the words of Allah would not run out…
(31:27)”.
“Is it not enough of a miracle that we sent down to you this book, being recited to
them? This is indeed a mercy and a reminder for people who believe. (29:51)”.
Allah Himself is witness over the fact that His book is enough, the Almighty says,
“Say, “Allah suffices as a witness between me and you. He knows everything in
the heavens and the earth. Surely, those who believe in falsehood and disbelieve
in Allah are the real losers.” (29:52)”.
“This is the straight path to your Lord. We have explained the revelations for
people who take heed. (6:126)”.
“This is My path - a straight one. You shall follow it, and do not follow any other
paths, lest they divert you from His path. These are His commandments to you,
that you may be saved. (6:153)”.
Mufti sounds so confused right now I wanted Mufti to provide a ayat telling us to
follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) by ‘NAME' and of course he has failed to do so as I have shown him
by NAME Millata Ibrahim and provided him with numerous Ayats Allah Himself
saying His Book is complete, fully detailed....now he is alluding to Allah's Book
being IMPERFECT which Allah says to us to question the Qur'an, study it if there
exist imperfections in Allah's Book then this Book is not from Allah. Mufti I
believe you been studying Hadith too long.
"Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than
Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction." 4/82
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Mufti Taha Khan Didn't answer my question as to where Allah is according to
Quran .................... So answer that first please till then don't open ur mouth...
Saeed why are u saying complete in guidance... The Quran says its complete in
everything... So rephrase ur question to : show us the places that are incomplete or
not perfect.... If u day no in guidance only then ur goin against the Quran where it
says it is complete in general...
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Khidr Amari lol Mufti Taha Khan I'm just about DONE with you and your dogma
now you are beginning to be rude and disrespectful. You have been exposed.
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Mufti Taha Khan And khidr: I know the answers to all my questions .... But if a
kafir looks in the Quran and sees Allah said he is on the throne and in another
place he sees that he is closer to the jugular vain.... And in one place he sees that
he created the sky first but then he sees he created the earth first .. wHAT
ANsWER wIlL u give him?
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Quran is complete and a detailed Book mentioned
in these verses.
6:114 "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you the
Book fully detailed?" Those to whom We have given the Book know it is sent
down from your Lord with the truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
6:115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there
is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
November 2 at 1:03am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Yet, Mufti Taha Khan is an IMAM...check who you learn your
DEEN from people.
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri keeps saying that it is complete ... If it is where is he???
For u to khidr? It's complete got it but if a favor sees it and asks u what answer
will u give him??????
November 2 at 1:19am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Salaam to you Mufti Taha Khan I'm finish with our discussion.
November 2 at 1:20am · Like · 1
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Uzair Rauf and after 500 comments, the sunnis stilll failed to provide a single
quranic verse mentioning we follow other scriptures for guidance. Yet im the
kafir...
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Mufti Taha Khan Bye bye khidr... The alternative is still there that Hadith
explains much if Quran and Allah has ordered us to follow his prophet .... If not
then answer the question the kafir posed to u in the example!!!
November 2 at 1:31am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Uzair had the answer to the kafirs question I guess...
November 2 at 1:32am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan is this your intellect calling people kafir because
you failed to provide the evidence. If you claim that the Hadith explains much I
would say show the ayat telling us the Hadith are the extra Wahi/Divine
Revelation if you can't you are again not following the Messenger.
Aagain watch your mouth bro stop being disrespectful.
November 2 at 1:44am · Like · 1
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Lola Parker Mufti Taha Khan.... You said "Also don't bring up that it contradicts
itself, cuz the Quran does aswell.. Quran says earth was created first then sky in
bother place he says opposite ???"
LMOL....Well I say in response....
25:30
"Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people (Arabic: Qawmi)
took THIS QURAN for just foolish nonsense / of no account / abandoned it /
forsaken it"
17:089
“And We have explained to man, in THIS QURAN, >>EVERY<< kind of
similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with
ingratitude"
So if you feel THE QURAN has contradictions I think you lack knowledge or the
ability to translate or transliterate correctly. Something ahk....
Like how do you utter such blasphemy!!!!!!!
November 2 at 1:52am · Like · 2
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Lola Parker Mufti Taha Khan, It seems that you seek to equate the Allahs' word to
the mere writings of men subject to fallacy... And for what it's worth Khidr Amari
has given you mistakes and sins that the Prophet committed that CLEARLY is
and was not ALLAHS command or wish for him to do.... So the argument that
EVERYTHING he said and did was divine revelation is utter blasphemy... Who
do we look like? CHRIS TANS????? Was the noises he made and words he said
to his wives when he was having sex with them DIVINE revelation???? Yeah like
lets put it on the table strait like that...
November 2 at 1:56am · Like · 2
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Saeed Talpur May Allah save our innocent Muslim brothers and sisters from this
kind of Mufti. Astagfirullah
November 2 at 1:59am · Like · 2
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Lola Parker lol. Only in 2012 can this ayat not mean anything to quote Islamic
leaders...
50:45
“We know best what they say; and you are not one to overawe them by force. So
admonish with the QURAN such as fear My Warning!”
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Mufti Taha Khan Lola; we take the Quran Asa higher authority number one ....
Secondly I didn't call anyone a kafir from u people
Thirdly khidr: again I will say that Allah said obey me and obey the prophet...
That's proof of following him... Also Allah declairs the way of NABI as the right
one ......
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan again you have lost it. Allah says over and over
again that all messengers said 'obey me' Allah says obey the messenger. Allah
doesn't say obey the prophet that would be obeying his words and not Allah's
Words, know the difference.
November 2 at 2:13am · Like · 1
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Lola Parker Mutfi... I can't tell that you hold the Quran in authority calling it a
contradiction TOO.... ard
Also, I didn't make mention to "kafir" but it's interesting how you view us as "u
people" apart from yourself or "people" like you.
Thirdly, To obey the prophet in what he was told to tell the people IS OBEYING
ALLAH subsequently. ALLAH also said judge by the QURAN but I don't here
how you get to only using the Quran but following the prophet threw some other
book(s). Come on..... It's clear you've been taught to except the extra because of
what the extra is suppose to represent.
I understand you wanting to understand the man Muhammad, but with less than
1% of hadiths even being considered authentic I think you really need to stop
indulging in what you know not... And by know not I mean there's no protection
on these hadiths from Allah nomatter who we are to follow.
November 2 at 2:22am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari "And We have revealed the Book to you which has clear explanation
of everything, and a guidance, mercy and good news for those who submit."
(Qur'an 16:89)
“Shall I then seek a Judge other than Allah? When it is He Who has revealed to
you the Book fully detailed?” (Qur'an 6:114)
Mufti Taha Khan, this is for you
Allah says,
"Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are
criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another
book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?" (Qur’an 68:36-
38)
==> Or do you have another book which you study?
November 2 at 2:22am · Like · 2
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Lola Parker I just can't understand how Allah gave the prophet a guide sitting
right on our desk but some of us is still confused as to what the guide is... smgdh
November 2 at 2:24am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari “This Book has been sent down to you – let there be no anxiety in
your heart about it – so that you may use it to give warning and to remind the
believers (by telling them): ‘Follow what has been sent down to you from your
Lord! Do not follow other masters beside Him. How seldom you take heed!’ ”
(Qur’an 7:2)
“The Messenger’s duty is only to deliver the message: Allah knows what you
reveal and what you conceal.” (Qur’an 5:99)
"And thus do We elaborate the verses so that they may say: 'You have read' and
that We may make it clear to a people who know." (Qur'an 6:105)
Most Muslims today are unaware of what the Qur'an says about concepts of faith
and carry many views on the Qur'an that are distorted and falsified and believe the
Qur'an is imperfect, incomplete without Hadith. Mufti Taha Khan and others
beleive this because they have no direct knowledge of the verses. Again, it is of
no surprise that Allah informs us of a statement of the Prophet Muhammad on the
Day of Judgement:
"And the Messenger said, 'My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an' "
(Qur'an 25:30)
"Do they want judgement according to the time of pagan ignorance? Is there any
better judge than Allah for those of firm faith?” (Qur’an 5:50)
“Have you considered those who were asked to accept judgement from Allah’s
Book? When they are asked to accept judgement from Allah’s Book, some of
them turn their backs and walk away!” (Qur’an 3:23)
"This too, is a blessed Book which We have sent down – follow it and be
conscious of your Lord, so that you may receive mercy – lest you say, ‘Books
were sent to two communities before us: we were not aware of what they studied’,
or ‘if only the Book had been sent down to us, we would have been better guided
than them.’ Now your Lord has brought you clear evidence, guidance, and mercy.
Who could be more wrong then someone who rejects Allah’s Revelations and
turns away from them? We shall repay those who turn away from our verses with
a painful punishment." (Qur’an 6:155-157)
"And We made the Qur'an easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?" (Qur'an
54:17)
November 2 at 2:27am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Try to understand THE STRAIGHT PATH.
CONVERSATION BETWEEN GOD AND SATAN IN THE QURAN
SATAN SAID I WILL MISLEAD THEM FROM STRAIGHT PATH:
15:39 He said: "My Lord, for that by which You have caused me to be misled, I
will beautify for them what is on the earth, and I will mislead them all."
7:16 He said: "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for
them on Your straight path."
EXCEPT THESE SERVANTS
15:40 "Except Your servants from among them, the devoted ones."
GOD CONFIRMED THOSE WHO SERVE ME ALONE ARE ON STRAIGHT
PATH:
15:41 He said: "This shall be a straight path to Me."
GOD SAID MY GUIDANCE WILL COME SO FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE:
2:38 We said: "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me,
then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they
grieve."
WE ASK FOR GUIDANCE FORM GOD TO THE STRAIGHT PATH:
1:6 Guide us to the straight path.
SO WHAT IS THE STRAIGHT PATH? WHERE IS THIS STRAIGHT PATH
MENTIONED?
3:51 "God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him, this is a straight path."
43:64 God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. This is a straight path.
43:43 You shall hold on to that which is inspired to you; for you are on a straight
path.
6:126 And this is the straight path of your Lord. We have fully detailed the
revelations to a people who remember.
24:46 We have sent down to you clarifying revelations, and God guides whoever
He wills to a straight path.
46:30 They said: O our people, we have heard a Book that was sent down after
Moses, authenticating what is between his hands. IT GUIDES TO THE TRUTH;
AND TO A STRAIGHT PATH.
36:1 YS.
36:2 And the Quran of wisdom.
36:3 You are one of the messengers.
36:4 Upon a STRAIGHT PATH.
36:5 The revelation of the Most Honorable, the Merciful.
WHAT IF WE FOLLOW OTHER PATH THEN GOD MENTIONED IN THE
QURAN?
6:153 And this is My path, a straight one. "So follow it, and do not follow the
other paths lest they divert you from His path. That is what He has enjoined you
to that you may be righteous."
67:22 Who is better guided: someone who falls on his face, or someone who
walks steadily on a straight path?
17:9 Surely this Quran guides to that which is most upright and gives good news
to the believers who do good that they shall have a great reward.
Does the HADITHS OR SUNNAH guides to the Straight Path or THE QURAN?
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Khidr Amari "And, moreover, hādhā (this) ṣirāṭī (is My path), mus'taqīman
(which is straight), fa-ittabiʿūhu (so follow it); wala (and do not) tattabiʿū (follow)
tattabiʿū (other paths), fatafarraqa (they will separate) you from sabīlihi (His
path). This has He instructed you that you may become righteous." 6/153
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Saeed Talpur 46:30 They said: O our people, we have heard a Book that was sent
down after Moses, authenticating what is between his hands. IT GUIDES TO
THE TRUTH; AND TO A STRAIGHT PATH.
Jinns didn’t mentioned the Hadiths or Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad but they
said the Book came from God after Moses which guides to the truth and to a
straight path.
November 2 at 2:37am · Like
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Lola Parker Khidr Amari Naw Mufti might be under the impression the only
people Iblis vowed to corrupt is the Christians and non practicing Jews... lol
November 2 at 2:39am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan All those paragraphs didn't answer the question ............
November 2 at 2:44am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan According to khidr.... Nabi and rasool are 2 seperate
people!!!!!!! Give me a verse that seperated the 2
November 2 at 2:45am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri: where is Allah ??
November 2 at 2:47am via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Here is my number... I challenge anyone of u to call me and we
will have a debate and this covo will be broadcasted on air everywhere ... We will
set the rules and timings with each other ..... Who is ready?
November 2 at 2:48am via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Because all of u guys just dodging my questions... But u won't
be able to do that in public
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Mufti Taha Khan 818 294 6415
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Khidr Amari Mufti there is nothing knew under the sun the same disbelievers who
didn't want the Qur'an during the time of the Prophet Muhammad are the same
today who don't want the Qur'an but rather the Qur'an be changed, or supported
with Hadith. Instead of believing in Qur'an you believe in Hadith that has taken
the place of Q ur'an.
Allah says,
"Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are
criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another
book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?" (Qur’an 68:36-
38)
==> Or do you have another book which you study?
Allah says,
“And when Our Clear Ayat are recited unto them, those who hope not for their
meeting with Us, say: ‘i'ti (Bring us) biqur'ānin (a Qur’an) ghayri (other than)
hādhā (this), or baddil'hu (change it).’ Say: ‘It is not for me to change it on my
own accord; I only follow that which is revealed unto me. Verily, I fear if I were
to disobey my Lord, the torment of the Great Day.”’ Yûnus 10/15
==> “And when Our Clear Ayat are recited unto them, those who hope not for
their meeting with Us, say: ‘i'ti (Bring us) biqur'ānin (a Qur’an) ghayri (other
than) hādhā (this), or baddil'hu (change it).’
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Tassha Manzoni Can I just add god says obey the messenger doesn't giv a name
which messenger to obey so there for must mean its message the Quran the book
nothing else
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan WHERE IS ALLAH ACCORDING TO
QURAN?
16:50 They fear their Lord from ABOVE THEM, and they do what they are
commanded.
2:144 We see the shifting of your FACE TOWARDS THE HEAVEN; We will
thus set for you a focal point that will be pleasing to you: "You shall set yourself
towards the Restricted Temple; and wherever you may be, you shall all set
yourselves towards it." Those who have been given the Book know it is the truth
from their Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.
6:103 The EYESIGHT CANNOT REACH HIM, YET HE CAN REACH ALL
EYESIGHT; and He is the Subtle, the Expert.
2:115 And to GOD BELONG THE EAST AND THE WEST, SO WHEREVER
YOU TURN, THERE IS THE FACE OF GOD. God is Encompassing,
Knowledgeable.
50:16 And We have created man and We know what his soul whispers to him,
and We are CLOSER TO HIM THAN HIS JUGULAR VEIN.
24:35 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is
like a niche within which there is a lamp, the lamp is encased in a glass, the glass
is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the
east nor of the west, its oil nearly gives off light even if not touched by fire. Light
upon light, God guides to His light whom He pleases. And God sets forth
examples for the people, and God is aware of all things.
70:3 From God, Possessor of the ascending portals.
70:4 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day which is equivalent to fifty
thousand years.
13:15 And to God will yield/prostrate/surrender all who are in the heavens and the
earth, willingly and unwillingly, as do their shadows in the morning and the
evening.
22:65 Did you not see that God commits to you what is on the earth? And the
ships sail in the sea with His permission. AND HE HOLDS THE SKY SO THAT
IT WOULD NOT COLLAPSE UPON THE EARTH, except by His permission.
Indeed, God is Kind towards the people, Merciful.
35:41 God is the One WHO HOLDS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, lest
they cease to exist. And they would certainly cease to exist if anyone else were to
hold them after Him. He is Compassionate, Forgiving.
48:10 Those who pledge allegiance to you, are in-fact pledging allegiance to God;
THE HAND OF GOD IS ABOVE THEIR HANDS. Those of them who violate
such a pledge, are violating it only for themselves. And whoever fulfills what he
has pledged to God, then He will grant him a great re ward.
8:17 It was not you who killed them, but it was God who killed them. And it was
NOT YOU WHO LAUNCHED WHEN YOU DID, BUT IT WAS GOD WHO
LAUNCHED. And so that the believers would be tested well by Him. God is
Hearer, Knowledgeable.
39:67 And they have not given God His true worth; and the WHOLE EARTH IS
WITHIN HIS FIST ON THE DAY OF RESURRECTION, AND THE
HEAVENS WILL BE FOLDED IN HIS RIGHT HAND. Be He glorified and
exalted above what they set up.
69:17 And the angels will be on its borders; and the Throne of your Lord will be
carried, above them on that Day, by eight.
42:11 Initiator of the heavens and the earth. He created for you from among
yourselves mates, and also mates for the livestock so they may multiply. THERE
IS NOTHING THAT EQUALS HIM. He is the Hearer, the Seer.
26:217 And put your trust in the Noble, the Merciful.
26:218 THE ONE WHO SEES YOU WHEN YOU STAND.
26:219 AND YOUR MOVEMENTS AMONG THOSE WHO SUJUD (YIELD).
26:220 He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.
10:61 And any matter you are in, or any reciting you do of the qur'an, or any work
you do; we are witnesses over you when you undertake it. Nothing is hidden from
your lord, not even the weight of an atom on the earth or in the heavens, nor
smaller than that nor larger, except it is in a clear record.
57:4 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, then He
settled upon the Throne. He knows everything that enters within the earth, and
everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the heaven,
and everything that ascends into it. AND HE IS WITH YOU WHEREVER YOU
MAY BE. GOD IS SEER OF WHAT YOU DO.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I never said Prophet and Messenger are different
yes they are different in status why does Allah correct Muhammad as Prophet but
never as Messenger?
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Khidr Amari Why does Allah say Obey the Messenger but never obey the
Prophet? Its clear as day why you have to study the Qur'an Mufti Taha Khan I'm
not going to call you save your number. Why can't you produce a ayat tleling us
to follow Hadith?
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, any time you want to have a organize debate
come to my city and we can arrange a live debate i would love to engage in this
its senseless to argue on the phone.
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Mufti Taha Khan Actually he does... He says Muhammed the rasool of Allah ...
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Khidr Amari Rasul means Messenger
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Khidr Amari Obey the Messenger
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Mufti Taha Khan And khidr : all the ayat are not related to the topic..... Why are u
running from the question!!!! Where is Allah according to the Quran.....
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Khidr Amari Muhammad as Nabi/Prophet is never obeyed because Nabi attributes
the human side of who he is that is prone to error.
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khann WHERE IS ALLAH ACCORDING TO
QURAN?
16:50 They fear their Lord from ABOVE THEM, and they do what they are
commanded.
2:144 We see the shifting of your FACE TOWARDS THE HEAVEN; We will
thus set for you a focal point that will be pleasing to you: "You shall set yourself
towards the Restricted Temple; and wherever you may be, you shall all set
yourselves towards it." Those who have been given the Book know it is the truth
from their Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.
6:103 The EYESIGHT CANNOT REACH HIM, YET HE CAN REACH ALL
EYESIGHT; and He is the Subtle, the Expert.
2:115 And to GOD BELONG THE EAST AND THE WEST, SO WHEREVER
YOU TURN, THERE IS THE FACE OF GOD. God is Encompassing,
Knowledgeable.
50:16 And We have created man and We know what his soul whispers to him,
and We are CLOSER TO HIM THAN HIS JUGULAR VEIN.
24:35 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is
like a niche within which there is a lamp, the lamp is encased in a glass, the glass
is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the
east nor of the west, its oil nearly gives off light even if not touched by fire. Light
upon light, God guides to His light whom He pleases. And God sets forth
examples for the people, and God is aware of all things.
70:3 From God, Possessor of the ascending portals.
70:4 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day which is equivalent to fifty
thousand years.
13:15 And to God will yield/prostrate/surrender all who are in the heavens and the
earth, willingly and unwillingly, as do their shadows in the morning and the
evening.
22:65 Did you not see that God commits to you what is on the earth? And the
ships sail in the sea with His permission. AND HE HOLDS THE SKY SO THAT
IT WOULD NOT COLLAPSE UPON THE EARTH, except by His permission.
Indeed, God is Kind towards the people, Merciful.
35:41 God is the One WHO HOLDS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, lest
they cease to exist. And they would certainly cease to exist if anyone else were to
hold them after Him. He is Compassionate, Forgiving.
48:10 Those who pledge allegiance to you, are in-fact pledging allegiance to God;
THE HAND OF GOD IS ABOVE THEIR HANDS. Those of them who violate
such a pledge, are violating it only for themselves. And whoever fulfills what he
has pledged to God, then He will grant him a great re ward.
8:17 It was not you who killed them, but it was God who killed them. And it was
NOT YOU WHO LAUNCHED WHEN YOU DID, BUT IT WAS GOD WHO
LAUNCHED. And so that the believers would be tested well by Him. God is
Hearer, Knowledgeable.
39:67 And they have not given God His true worth; and the WHOLE EARTH IS
WITHIN HIS FIST ON THE DAY OF RESURRECTION, AND THE
HEAVENS WILL BE FOLDED IN HIS RIGHT HAND. Be He glorified and
exalted above what they set up.
69:17 And the angels will be on its borders; and the Throne of your Lord will be
carried, above them on that Day, by eight.
42:11 Initiator of the heavens and the earth. He created for you from among
yourselves mates, and also mates for the livestock so they may multiply. THERE
IS NOTHING THAT EQUALS HIM. He is the Hearer, the Seer.
26:217 And put your trust in the Noble, the Merciful.
26:218 THE ONE WHO SEES YOU WHEN YOU STAND.
26:219 AND YOUR MOVEMENTS AMONG THOSE WHO SUJUD (YIELD).
26:220 He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.
10:61 And any matter you are in, or any reciting you do of the qur'an, or any work
you do; we are witnesses over you when you undertake it. Nothing is hidden from
your lord, not even the weight of an atom on the earth or in the heavens, nor
smaller than that nor larger, except it is in a clear record.
57:4 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, then He
settled upon the Throne. He knows everything that enters within the earth, and
everything that comes out of it, and everything that comes down from the heaven,
and everything that ascends into it. AND HE IS WITH YOU WHEREVER YOU
MAY BE. GOD IS SEER OF WHAT YOU DO.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I'm not answering redundant questions posed by
you you haven't answered mines its obvious you can't and don't have an answer.
Where is the Hadith ayat for us to follow
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Mufti Taha Khan Thank you talpuri ..!!!!!!!! So how does that make scence to
u???? He says I'm on my throne then he says I'm closer to I then ur jugular vain?
Which one.....????????
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Tassha Manzoni S2-136 say( o Muslims) we believe in Allah and that which is
revealed to us and that which is revealed to abraham,and Ishmael, and Isaac, and
Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received , and that which
prophets received from their lord. WE MAKE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN
ANY OF THEM and to HIM we have SURRENDERED.
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Try and find him I gave you the Verses.
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Mufti Taha Khan Allah says : if you love Allah then follow me.... In this verse it
is general, rasool or Nabi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan What was the Prophet following?
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Saeed Talpur Rasool and Nabi are used interchangeably in the Quran.
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Khidr Amari Officially, my discourse, debate with Mufti Taha Khan is over I
believe any one who reads these comments over 500 messages will see who
provided the evidence to back their claim. Rest assured no one can intellecually
argue against Allah's Words contained in His Book. I want to t hank Allah for
giving me the overstanding and the wisdom to expose the falsehood Mufti and
many others presented by bringing Truth. Truth and falsehood does not mix.
“Truth comes and falsehood perishes. Falsehood is inherently perishable” (17:81).
I truly believe in the Sunnis argument that has been very weak from the start has
persished by the way side. Alhumduillah, the Qur'an stands out as it always has
and always will.
November 2 at 3:09am · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Girl that dosent prove us wrong ... In that ayah Allah dosent call
them rasool.... Allah clearly calls Muhammed rasool!!!!!!! Surah hujraat
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Mufti Taha Khan Try and find him......? Out of all those places where is he.... Is
he wayyyyyyyyyyy up in the heavens??? Or waaauyyyyy down next to us .... If he
is everywhere then why did he say he is on his throne explicitly ???
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Saeed Talpur 2:165 And from among the people are some who take other than
God as equals to Him,
they love them as they love God;
but those who believe love God more strongly;
and when those who were wicked see the retribution,
they will see that all power belongs to God, and that God is severe in retribution.
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan If you really want to see the God then follow the
Quran.
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Mufti Taha Khan We love god more too but where is he.......??? Ur dodging again
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Saeed Talpur Prophet will not intercede for you because on that day all power
belongs to God 2:165.
November 2 at 3:18am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Allah never told us these places so we see him idiot... Ur the
one quoting the verses and u didn't see him ... It's about where he is???????
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan If you don't know where God is then who do you
prostrate in your Salah? lol
November 2 at 3:20am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr: again claiming victory from behind the bush !!!! Nice ....
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Do you prostrate to Kabba or God?
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Mufti Taha Khan I provided khidr where Allah says that if u love methen follow
him..... No division as to rasool it Nabi ..!!!!!!!! That's clear from Quran
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Allah said:
2:115 And to GOD BELONG THE EAST AND THE WEST, SO WHEREVER
YOU TURN, THERE IS THE FACE OF GOD. God is Encompassing,
Knowledgeable.
So which side do you prostrate?
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri: I prostate to god facing qiblah as he ordered us to....
But question still remains!!!
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Where does God said to prostrate towards the
Qibla in the Quran?
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Mufti Taha Khan And khidr still has to show me how he is making the verse to
mean that it is rasool and not Nabi where Allah kept it general... Proof from ayah
please!!!
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Jannah Leah lol sunnis
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Mufti Taha Khan Qiblah means kaba and in baqarah Allah says face the haram as
Ibrahim alaihi Salam makes dua to Allah calling it haram and he accepts his
prayer
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Mufti Taha Khan Jannah u can try answering this one too....
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Why God told Prophet to change the Qibla?
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Jannah Leah What are you guys discussing exactly? I got here pretty late and this
is tl;dr.
November 2 at 3:39am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan To see who follows the messenger as he was the imam in prayer
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan You are dogging my questions. I need clear
answers. Thanks
If you don't know where God is then who do you prostrate in your Salah?
Do you prostrate to Kabba or God?
Allah said:
2:115 And to GOD BELONG THE EAST AND THE WEST, SO WHEREVER
YOU TURN, THERE IS THE FACE OF GOD. God is Encompassing,
Knowledgeable.
So which side do you prostrate?
Where does God said to prostrate towards the Qibla in the Quran?
Why God told Prophet to change the Qibla?
Why Prophet disliked the First Qibla?
Who Build the fist Qibla and Second Qibla?
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Mufti Taha Khan Wow... I thought u were gonna use that question wisely but u
didn't......
We prostrate to Allah facing kaba because he told us to.... In the opening verses if
the second juz he says that the stupid people will say what had turned them away
from qiblah they used to face.... Say to them to Allah belongs the east and west
but he guides only whom he wants..... And in verse 149 - 159 he says FACE
KABA !!!
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Saeed Talpur Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 636:
Narrated Abu Dhaar:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "Al-
Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-
Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them?" He
replied, "Forty (years)." He then added, "Wherever the time for the prayer comes
upon you, perform the prayer, for all the earth is a place of worshipping for you."
Do you believe this Hadith?
Solomon built the second Qibla after 40 years. The gap between Solomon and
Abraham is nearly 40 years.
What?????
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Mufti Taha Khan I'll answer ur question ..... But first answer my questions ....
Where is Allah...
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Mufti Taha Khan Uve been dodging.. Where do u face why do u face....!!!!
Answer the question buddy
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Mufti Taha Khan And Solomon building the aqsa in the Hadith is ur twist.... Cuz
in the Hadith it didn't say there that Solomon built aqsa.... Ibrahim built kaba and
then 40 years later he builds the aqsa.... In the Hadith we are talking about
Ibrahim building both !!!!!!
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Mufti Taha Khan As for the part where the prophet says that the entire earth is a
place of worship! You are again missing its meaning... Where in the Hadith it
says there that face any direction... It's simply saying that where ever u are the
entire earth is masjid for u that u can pray anywhere like airport like market like
desert but WHERE .. That's not discussed in the hadith
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Mufti Taha Khan Proved wrong once again!!!!!!! Now what did Allah create first
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan So Abraham built two Qiblas? Where in the
Quran did God mentioned that he built two Qiblas?
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Saeed Talpur Is there any verse in the Quran which says Abraham built Masjid Al
Aqsa (second Qibla)?
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Mufti Taha Khan I never
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Mufti Taha Khan When did I say he made aqsa as a qiblah?????
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Mufti Taha Khan He made aqsa ... This was then qiblah for us... Then Allah
changed it to kaba ....
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri : what did Allah create first ?? The earth or sky
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Saeed Talpur You said Prophet liked the Qibla of Abraham so he faced toward
Kabba. What is the proof of he turned his face towards the Kabba he probably
faced towards the Masjid ul Aqsa because Abraham built both of them?
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Why you keep asking the same question of what
did Allah create first ? The earth or sky.
I told you before the heavens and earth were joined together so Allah separated
them this means they were created at the same time.
21:30 Have those who rejected not seen that the heavens and the earth were one
piece, so We split them apart? And that We have made from the water everything
that lives. Will they not believe?
November 2 at 5:27am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Look at ur question... U don't even make scence... Now stop
running from my question
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri: then why did Allah say he create earth after in naziaat
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Mufti Taha Khan If they were created together
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Uzair Rauf lol mufti youve been running from the question of asking u to bring a
verse that authorizes the following of scriptures outside the quran this whole time,
so youre not one to accuse someone of dodging a question.
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Uzair Rauf are you going to call me a kafir everytime I ask that?
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan lol What are you smoking these days in your
hookah? Can't you post the verses?
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Aymen Michael Mufti Taha Khan, please read this verse:
2:177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one
who acknowledges God and the Last day, and the angels, and the book, and the
prophets, and he gives money out of love to the near relatives, and the orphans,
and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and he
observes the Contact prayer, and contributes towards betterment; and those who
keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face
of good and bad and during persecution. These are the ones who have been
truthful, and they are the righteous.
Also let us look at what qibla actually means:
10:87 And We inspired to Moses and his brother, "Settle your people in Egypt in
houses and make your houses qib'latan and establish prayer and give good tidings
to the believers."
How would you translate qib'latan?
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Mufti Taha Khan Auman and talpur and uzair are all getting of focus... All three
first answer my question... Which I e been asking? What was first earth or sky...
Because the ayah say then AFTER we created the earth???
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Mufti Taha Khan Uzair ... Scroll up anywhere and show me where I called
anyone kafir!!!
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Naqash Ahmed mufti, these people are useless to debate with, after 600+
comments with a mufti given ijazah, it shows how jahil these people are, may
Allaah guide them. its better to leave them to Allaah, agree to disagree, at least u
tried. dont waste ur time anymore. Allaahu akbar kabeera
November 2 at 6:13am · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Uzair talking about previous scriptures... When the hell was I
talking about previous scriptures with u.... Answer my question and let's see who
has been doing the running
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Aymen Michael Allah created first the heaven, then the earth, then everything on
the earth, then he fashioned the heaven into seven heavens and then he asked
them to come, and the did.
This is my knowledge.
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Aymen Michael 2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is on Earth, then
He attended to the heaven and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all
things.
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Aymen Michael Not that this verse does not say he first created everyting on earth
and then created the heaven.
It says he created all things on earth and then attenteted to the heaven and made it
seven heavens.
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Mufti Taha Khan No the returning to the land is where in the Quran cuz so far
three things are mentioned... 1.. Creation of sky 2.. Decoration of the sky 3..
Creation of the earth... The order of these is not fixed.. We know that with the
creation of sky it was then Meade seven but what about the order that too from a
verse not ur knowledge
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Khidr Amari Naqash Ahmed, if you can do better feel free to produce the
evidence supporting the Sunnah.
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Aymen Michael The earth and the heaven actually came into existence in this
way:
41:11 Then He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and
to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."
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Saeed Talpur Naqash Ahmed You have only sent your scape goat Mufti Sahib
here why don't you come forward and prove the Sunnah from the Quran?
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Mufti Taha Khan Here everyone here !!!!! He and other people are seeing u lose
miserably ... Khidr wanted a verse that states follow prophet... I have to him
where Allah said if u loveAllah then follow me... Here it's general so no specifics
that a Nabi or rasool... So khidr now has to provide an ayah that clearly stated the
difference that if its beside the message or if he is a Nabi then don't follow him...
Surah tahreem does not prove so because Allah corrected him... And everything
else that prophet did Allah never corrected ! So he has to provide a clear cut verse
and he ran away
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Mufti Taha Khan Aymen.. U know better that dosent answer the question cuz
Allah said to both are u gonna come willingly or not... Meaning they were both
already created but the question rather is which one was created first.. And to
prove that u need a CLEAR verse... So far no clear verse is found
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri dosent even know what he is trying to prove : earlier he
said everything the prophet said was to be accepted until he died and then he said
no only message accept besides that don't accept like his father khidr has said
November 2 at 8:13am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Everyone get together and show us the clear sequence of what
was created first and then what second
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan WERE THE EARTH AND HEAVENS
CREATED IN SIX DAYS OR EIGHT DAYS?
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Saeed Talpur Chapter 41 Explained in detail Fussilat: Verse 9
Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join
equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
Chapter 41 Explained in detail Fussilat: Verse 10
He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed
blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in
due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek
(Sustenance).
Chapter 41 Explained in detail Fussilat: Verse 11
Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke:
He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They
said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
Chapter 41 Explained in detail Fussilat: Verse 12
So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each
heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and
(provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full
of Knowledge.
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Rohail Waseem 2/142 Soon the fools among the people would say: “What had
made them revert from their Qiblah (Direction of Belief) which they were
attached to.” Say: “To Allah belong the East and the West. He guides whom He
thinks proper to Sirat-al-Mustaqim.
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Aymen Michael Mufti, 4 things are mentioned also the creation of the things on
the earth, which took 4 days.
Come willingly to where? In existance of course.
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Aymen Michael Mohammad, yes. Kind of like as a Christian you only had to
follow Jesus and not the Pope.
They created many lies about Jesus, also about Muhammad. And many believe
them, it's crazy.
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Aymen Michael What does following the prophet mean? Does it mean eating like
he does? Does it mean having the same number of wives as he has? Does it mean
claiming to be a messenger from God like he did?
Or does it mean to be a follower of him, like the disciples were followers of
Christ, listen to his teaching, learn from him and follow his religion?
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Aymen Michael The whole idea of having a ''perfect'' example and trying to live
like this particular person is taghut.
Islam is submission to Allah, not submission to another human being. Many
people who call themselves muslims have forgotten this.
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Aymen Michael Mufti, 4 things are mentioned also the creation on the things on
the earth, which took 4 days.
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Khidr Amari Taha Ahmad, what was the teaching of our Prophet Muhammad?
November 2 at 10:35am · Like
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Khidr Amari If your not willing to put up or shut up please stand back and let the
real beleivers execute the real teachings of our Prophet do what we need to do to
spread Islam.
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Aymen Michael Taha Ahmad. If Muhammad himself did not want his teachings
written down, but they got written down anyways, why should we follow them?
Should we trust the information written down by people disobeying the
Messenger?
If Muhammad believed we had to follow his teachings outside of the Quran, why
did he order the people to burn anything they wrote down of him, outside of the
Quran?
This act actually shows he did not want anything of him remaining except the
Quran, because that is all that is needed for Islam.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said
Point 1
"Here everyone here !!!!! He and other people are seeing u lose miserably ...
Khidr wanted a verse that states follow prophet... I have to him where Allah said
if u loveAllah then follow me... Here it's general so no specifics that a Nabi or
rasool... So khidr now has to provide an ayah that clearly stated the difference that
if its beside the message or if he is a Nabi then don't follow him... Surah tahreem
does not prove so because Allah corrected him... And everything else that prophet
did Allah never corrected ! So he has to provide a clear cut verse and he ran
away"
@Mufti, once again you can't produce the ayat that says to follow the Prophet. Its
not a general statement at all its a directive to follow him, who is him, the Prophet
Muhammad. How can we follow the human side of the Prophet prone to error?
He was corrected by Allah committing sins, mistakes as a Prophet but never as a
Messenger. This is why Allah never says to follow the Prophet but always says
follow the Messenger. Yes, he was both a Prophet and Rasul but the Rasul is
higher status than the Nabi because the Nabi role represents the humaness side of
Muhammad again prone to error. The Rasul role represents Allah's agent he
speaks from the authority of Allah. When he speaks as a Messenger he is
speaking Allah's Words so this is why Allah says to obey the Messenger, follow
the Messenger because its the message that links us to the One who sent him. Its
the message he is conveying to the people that has to be obeyed. Thus, even the
Prophet Muhammad himself had to obey then follow the message he delievered.
So this is the difference between the Rasul and the Nabi he was corrected as the
Nabi/Prophet because of the sins/mistakes he committed but never corrected as
the role of the Messenger. Know the difference. I see this is why Mufti its
impossible for you to produce the ayat that says clearly to follow the
Nabi/Prophet because there is no ayat that says to follow the Nabi/Prophet this
would also entail following his personal speech versus following the Wahi/Divine
Revelation. There is a clear distinction between the Nabi/Prophet speech which
represent his human side again that made mistakes and the Wahi/Divine
Revelation which the people had to be attentive to according to the Qur'an. Know
the difference.
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Khidr Amari Point 2:
What does it mean to follow the Messenger? One thing for sure Mufti Taha Khan
you have FAILED miserably being able to provide or produce one ayat, just one
ayat to my four points below.
PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
or...
(2) We will get guidance from Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ or
(3) We are suppose to believe in Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ ? or
(4) Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi) / Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of
Messenger) was revealed or sent down (nazala) to Muhammad by ‘NAME’?
Hence, there is no ayat with the name that says to follow ==> Nataq-un-Nabi”
(Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ <==
No Sunni or Shite can answer these simple points. Yet, its amazing because
Millata Ibrahim is mention by Name along with Sunnatu Allah (Allah's Sunnah)
but no Prophet's Sunnah or Hadith how interesting.
Key points:
Allah says,
"Say: If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabiʿūnī (Follow me): Allah will love you and
forgive you sins." [Qur'ân 3:31]
And
“He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80]
Keeping it in context the Qur'an explains itself, Allah's call is one single call and
the Messengers who brings the message is one message. It didn't start with the
Prophet Muhammad.
The Arabic word atwi’ou means to ‘obey’ and this comes first then comes the
Arabic word ‘ittibaa’ means to ‘follow’. We cannot follow without obedience.
The Arabic word ‘ittibaa’ that means to follow is a concept which should be well
overstood and well researched.
What does it mean to ‘ittibaa/follow?’ Does ‘ittibaa/follow mean to follow the
messenger in all his
1) private matters and
2) hobbies
Does ittibaa/follow mean to follow the messenger when he committed mistakes
and we should do the same and so on?
Mufti you have been indoctrinated to believe that ‘Obey the Messenger’ or to
'follow the Messenger' means to follow Hadith of Sahih Bukhari and company
and I know it’s hard to digest this.
Is this not extreme to obey a human being when Allah tells us not to make any
distinctions from His Prophets? Allah says no Prophet would come and say be a
worshiper but they would call to the worship of Allah. We are told not to make
any distinctions between Allah's Prophets:
“The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the
men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and
His apostles. "We make no ‘nufarriqu’ (distinction) between one and another of
His (Allah's) apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy
forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." [2:285]
“Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham,
Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that
given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no ‘nufarriqu’ (distinction)
between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." [2:136]
“ ‘Qul’ Say, ‘mā’ (not) ‘kuntu’ (I am) ‘bid'an’ (a new one) ‘mina’ (among) ‘l-
rusuli’ (the Messengers) I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only
follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [46:9]
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm so happy u guys type so much non scence... And yet don't
answer my question from Quran ...
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Khidr Amari Point 3:
“He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80]
I cannot imagine for one second that a great man like the Prophet Muhammad
went around telling people to literally be like him in his personal life.
Allah says in Surah 3:31, “Say: "If ye do love Allah, ‘fa-ittabi’ūnī’ (then follow
me): Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving,
Most Merciful."
Now, Allah says, “Say: "If ye do love Allah, ‘fa-ittabi’ūnī’ (then follow me)….”
Would Allah send any Prophet to tell his people to:
1) to look him,
2) act like him,
3) dress like him,
4) think like him,
4) eat like him,
5) sleep like him,
6) drink like him,
7) urinate like him
make love like him
9) stand like him
10 walk like him
11) brush our teeth like him
12) take off our shoes like him
Allah says,
"Those who ‘yattabi’ūna’ (follow) the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they
find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he
commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as
lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure);
He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon
them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, ‘wa-ittaba’ū’ (and
follow) nūra (the light) which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."
Surah 7:157
==> So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, ‘wa-ittaba’ū’ (and
follow) nūra (the light) which is sent down with him
Allah says clearly, “So those who believe in him and respect him and support him
and follow the light which was send down with him are the successful ones”.
Hence, the LIGHT that was sent down with him is the Book of Allah, the Qur’an
alone.
Now before we can ‘ittibaa’ the Prophet Muhammad we have to atwi’ou which
means to ‘obey’.
In Surah 36:20, Allah says, “Then there came running, from the farthest part of
the City, a man saying "O my people! ‘ittabi’ū’ (follow) the messengers:”
In Surah 36:21 Allah says, " ‘ittabi’ū’ (follow) those who ask no reward of you
(for themselves), and who have themselves received Guidance.
Again, 'obey the messengers' or 'follow the messenger' is dual/plural and not
uniquely given to the Prophet Muhammad alone.
Also in Surah 3:55, Allah says, “Behold! Allah said:
"O Isa! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods)
of those who blaspheme; I will make those who ‘ittaba’ūka (followed) you
superior to those who reject Faith, to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all
return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."
==> I will make those who ‘ittaba’ūka (followed) you superior to those who reject
Faith
Did Prophet Isa have a Hadith and Sunnah of their own also because his people
had to obey/follow Prophet Isa?
In Surah 6:90 Allah says, “Those were the (prophets) who received Allah's
guidance..."
Allah says,
"Indeed there has come to you from Allah nūrun (a Light) and a Clear Book. bihi
(With it) Allah guides whoever ittabaʿa (follows) His good pleasure to the ways
of peace and brings them out from the darkness into the light by His
permission..." corresponds to Surah 7-157
==> Allah guides whoever ittabaʿa (follows)
Allah says the Prophet Muhammad had to follow that which was REVEALED to
him:
"Say: "I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what
is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I attabiʿu (follow) what is revealed to
me." Say: "Can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not?"
[6:50]
==> I attabiʿu (follow) what is revealed to me.
"Say, "I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen
to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a
profound warner." [46:9]
==> I only follow what is revealed to me
"And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen
it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This is insight
from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when
the QURAN is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy."
[7:203-204]
==> I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord.
"When Our Clear Signs are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet Us
say, ‘Bring a Qur’an other than this one or change it.’ Say: ‘It is not for me to
change it of my own accord. attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to
me. I fear, were I to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Dreadful Day." 10/15
==> attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me.
Again and again the Prophet Muhammad is instructed to say, "I only follow what
is revealed to me." So its obvious that the Prophet Muhammad is not following
his own Hadith or Sunnah in which they assert or led to believe. The Prophet
Muhammad is following the same revelation that was revealed to him which was
the Qur'an.
Allah says when people like you Mufti and other Sunnis who don't use your
reasoning and probably was born into the faith by your parents you are following
what your fathers followed:
"When they are told, ‘Follow what Allah has sent down to you,’ They say, ‘We
are following what we found our fathers doing.’ What, even though their fathers
did not understand a thing and were not guided!" 2/170
==> ‘Follow what Allah has sent down to you
When Isa ibn Maryam had his troubles with those he was sent to he asked who
will assist in the way of Allah. Some of his companions responded and said they
are the helpers of Allah and they believe in Allah and they submitted and obeyed.
"When Isa perceived their unbelief he asked: "Who will help me in the way of
Allah?" "We," the disciples answered, "shall be the helpers of Allah. We believe
in Allah; and you be our witness that we submit and obey. Our Lord, we have
iman in what You have sent down waittabaana (and have followed) the
Messenger, so write us down among the witnesses." 3/52-53
==> Our Lord, we have iman in what You have sent down waittabaana (and have
followed) the Messenger
Did Prophet Isa followers follow him according to Hadith and Sunnah books
outside of Scripture and notice it doesn't say and followed the Nabi/Prophet it
says 'AND FOLLOWED THE MESSENGER'.
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri still has to make up his mind what the hell is he
supporting.. That everything is acceptable when he was living or nothing beside
message is acceptable...
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr has a bug up his butt I tool him bu the hand and showed
him verses... Also Allah said if I like Allah then follow ME meaning prophet...
Here it's not specified Nabi or rasool something he has a problem with
November 2 at 11:41am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan So now what do u say about this verse
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Mufti Taha Khan ?????
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Aymen Michael Your question on what was created first the earth or the heaven?
I have no clue.
''In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth''
November 2 at 11:46am · Like · 1
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Aymen Michael Mufti, he actually answered you.
November 2 at 11:49am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Ok thank u.. Atleast ur honest... There are different tafasir on
it.... But who answered me and what answer did he give
U were smashed so now ur supporting someone else funny... So who answered
me and how???
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Khidr Amari Point 4
Allah says about Prophet Shu'aib:
"The chiefs who had disbelieved from among his people then said, `If itabatum
(you follow) Shu`aib you shall then, truly be the losers.'
==> `If itabatum (you follow) Shu`aib you shall then, truly be the losers.'
Allah says about Prophet Harun:
walaqad (And verily) qāla ((had said) lahum (to them) Harun before yāqawmi ("O
my people!) Only you are being tested by it and indeed your Lord is the Most
Gracious fa-ittabiʿūnī (so follow me) wa-aṭīʿū (and obey) amrī (my order). They
said never will we cease being devoited to it until returns to us Musa. He said O
Harun! What prevented you when you saw them going astray, that not tattabiʿani
(you follow me). Then you have disobeyed my ord." 20/91-93
Just like the Prophet Muhammad said,
""Say: If ye do love Allah, fa-ittabiʿūnī (Follow me): Allah will love you and
forgive you sins." [Qur'ân 3:31]
And
“He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80]
Again this is not unique to our Prophet Muhammad in any way Prophet Harun
came with the same Message with Prophet Musa telling their people to
obey/follow them as Messengers.
==> yāqawmi ("O my people!) Only you are being tested by it and indeed your
Lord is the Most Gracious fa-ittabiʿūnī (so follow me) wa-aṭīʿū (and obey) amrī
(my order).
We have another ayat telling us clearly that the Messengers call not the Prophets
but Messengers call is One Message:
Allah says,
"And warn mankind of a day when the doom will come upon them, and those
who did wrong will say: Our Lord! Reprieve us for a little while. We will
daʿwataka (obey Thy call) wanattabiʿi (and will follow) the messengers. (It will
be answered): Did ye not swear before that there would be no end for you?" Surah
14:44
==> We will daʿwataka (obey Thy call) wanattabiʿi (and will follow) the
messengers. <==
Again, and again and again Mufi has been refuted and exposed because he's so
stuck on the Hadith that he does not read the Qur'an CAREFULLY. There is no
single ayat telling the prophets of old followers to follow the Prophets but always
to follow the Messengers. Just because Prophet Muhammad said 'follow me' or
'obey me' is not unique just to him and it does not call us to follow his personal
alleged sayings/actions. Its always been the same unique directive to obey/follow
the One and Only Message revealed through the Scriptures through their Prophets
once conveyed to the people they are messengers.
A good example of this again is when Allah addresses Prophet Muhammad as
"Nabi/Prophet' which differentiated between him as a 'Messenger' because even
Muhammad/the Prophet had to follow again what was revealed to him which was
the Message/the Qur'an.
“yāayyuhā Nabi (O you prophet), you shall reverence Allah and do not obey the
disbelievers and the hypocrites. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise. wa-ittabiʿ (And
follow) what yūḥā (is revealed) to you from your Lord. Allah is fully Cognizant
of everything you all do. And put your trust in Allah…". 33/1-3
==> yāayyuhā Nabi (O you prophet)
==> wa-ittabiʿ (And follow) what yūḥā (is revealed) to you from your Lord
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Aymen Michael Excuse me who was smashed? You asking me a question and me
not knowing the answer means I am smashed?
November 2 at 12:05pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mufti, once again your SMASHED with the Book of Allah either
you believe it or you don't take it or leave it.
November 2 at 12:12pm · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidrs answer: he have three points and all three are saying that
he is Nabi and he is prone to make mistakes because Allah corrected him...... I
said to him way before that if he was not to be followed then why didn't Allah tell
him off for the thousands of things he did beside the things Allah corrected him
for????????????
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Mufti Taha Khan Then when I showed the clear verse that Allah says follow him
without making it clear rasool or prophet then if he is taking it to mean rasool
that's an addition from his pocket !!!!
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Aymen Michael Muhammad is to be followed, but following someone does not
mean being a copycat.
You follow him in being a monotheist and submitting to the message he brought.
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Mufti Taha Khan Also then why does Allah tell us to follow the PATH of the
NABI????
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Khidr Amari lol redundant he was corrected and provided the proof that as a
Nabi/Prophet he was corrected in the Qur'an, in the very recital he conveyed to
the people. He was corrected in the very message he was as a Prophet was told to
follow. Again, Mufti Taha Khan you don't have the ayat telling us to follow his
personal speech or sunnah. Your running out of excuses.
November 2 at 12:16pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari No where in the Qur'an does Allah ever say to follow Muhammad,
the Prophet, Isa, Musa....they are always addressed as 'Messengers' because as
Messengers they are representatives of Allah speaking for Allah as Nabi/Prophets
they are human beings all capable of mistakes, error.
November 2 at 12:19pm · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr : when I say follow someone... It means follow what he
does......
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, so what did the Prophet Muhammad follow?
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Aymen Michael Because the Path of the Nabi is the Millat Ibrahim, monotheism.
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Khidr Amari Allah says the Prophet Muhammad had to follow that which was
REVEALED to him:
"Say: "I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what
is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I attabiʿu (follow) what is revealed to
me." Say: "Can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not?"
[6:50]
==> I attabiʿu (follow) what is revealed to me.
"Say, "I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen
to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a
profound warner." [46:9]
==> I only follow what is revealed to me
"And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen
it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This is insight
from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when
the QURAN is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy."
[7:203-204]
==> I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord.
"When Our Clear Signs are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet Us
say, ‘Bring a Qur’an other than this one or change it.’ Say: ‘It is not for me to
change it of my own accord. attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to
me. I fear, were I to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Dreadful Day." 10/15
==> attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me.
Again and again the Prophet Muhammad is instructed to say, "I only follow what
is revealed to me." So its obvious that the Prophet Muhammad is not following
his own Hadith or Sunnah in which they assert or led to believe. The Prophet
Muhammad is following the same revelation that was revealed to him which was
the Qur'an.
November 2 at 12:20pm · Like · 1
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Aymen Michael Mufti, do you ride a camel?
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Mufti Taha Khan His philosophies the end!! : watch everyone....!!!!!
Khidr : what does uswah mean in Arabic? ة س .....?
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Aymen Michael Have you married a 6 year old girl?
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Khidr Amari First answer my question Mufti Taha Khan its in Qur'an that Allah
tells the Prophet to follow what was revealed to him......
Allah says the Prophet Muhammad had to follow that which was REVEALED to
him:
"Say: "I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what
is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I attabiʿu (follow) what is revealed to
me." Say: "Can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not?"
[6:50]
==> I attabiʿu (follow) what is revealed to me.
"Say, "I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen
to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a
profound warner." [46:9]
==> I only follow what is revealed to me
"And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen
it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This is insight
from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when
the QURAN is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy."
[7:203-204]
==> I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord.
"When Our Clear Signs are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet Us
say, ‘Bring a Qur’an other than this one or change it.’ Say: ‘It is not for me to
change it of my own accord. attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to
me. I fear, were I to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Dreadful Day." 10/15
==> attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me.
Again and again the Prophet Muhammad is instructed to say, "I only follow what
is revealed to me." So its obvious that the Prophet Muhammad is not following
his own Hadith or Sunnah in which they assert or led to believe. The Prophet
Muhammad is following the same revelation that was revealed to him which was
the Qur'an.
so what did the Prophet Muhammad follow?
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Mufti Taha Khan What I will prove ?
1 : Allah uses both Nabi and rasool for the prophet not looking at is it the message
he saying so right now he a messenger otherwise a Nabi
2 : he is to be followed in daily life
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Mufti Taha Khan So khidr and crew !!! What does uswah mean
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Khidr Amari Answer my question
November 2 at 12:24pm · Like
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Khidr Amari First answer my question Mufti Taha Khan its in Qur'an that Allah
tells the Prophet to follow what was revealed to him......
Allah says the Prophet Muhammad had to follow that which was REVEALED to
him:
"Say: "I tell you not that with me are the Treasures of Allah, nor do I know what
is hidden, nor do I tell you I am an angel. I attabiʿu (follow) what is revealed to
me." Say: "Can the blind be held equal to the seeing?" Will ye then consider not?"
[6:50]
==> I attabiʿu (follow) what is revealed to me.
"Say, "I am not different from other messengers, I have no idea what will happen
to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a
profound warner." [46:9]
==> I only follow what is revealed to me
"And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen
it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This is insight
from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when
the QURAN is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy."
[7:203-204]
==> I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord.
"When Our Clear Signs are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet Us
say, ‘Bring a Qur’an other than this one or change it.’ Say: ‘It is not for me to
change it of my own accord. attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to
me. I fear, were I to disobey my Lord, the punishment of a Dreadful Day." 10/15
==> attabi'u (I follow) nothing except what is revealed to me.
Again and again the Prophet Muhammad is instructed to say, "I only follow what
is revealed to me." So its obvious that the Prophet Muhammad is not following
his own Hadith or Sunnah in which they assert or led to believe. The Prophet
Muhammad is following the same revelation that was revealed to him which was
the Qur'an.
so what did the Prophet Muhammad follow?
November 2 at 12:24pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari We dealing with the Book of Allah clearly telling us that the Prophet
said I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT WAS REVEALED TO ME.....what did the
Prophet Muhammad follow? Mufti Taha Khan answer the question
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Mufti Taha Khan And aymen !!!! Khidr And talpuri were smarter then u, that's
why they ran from the question of which was created first? Cuz it's a
contradiction on Quran that only mug addition explain
November 2 at 12:25pm via mobile · Like
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Aymen Michael Are you a kafir? You just said the Quran contradicted itself.
November 2 at 12:26pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Whatever Mufti Taha Khan stick to the point I don't engage in
jumping SHIP you don't answer questions but want to ask all the questions. What
did the Prophet follow?
November 2 at 12:26pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Note every one who is reading this Mufti Taha Khan does not
ANSWER QUESTIONS this is typical Sunni behavior
November 2 at 12:27pm · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Ur so stupid... Yes the prophet follows what was revealed to
him ... Meaning he dosent follow his desires telling kuffar that this is revelation
that comes to me....
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Mufti Taha Khan But I wanna use the Quran so first tell me what uswah means
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Khidr Amari Note: To every one when trapped and dumbfounded because of the
question not being able to be answered Mufti Taha Khan resorts to insults and
name calling.
November 2 at 12:28pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan thank you so you said, ". Yes the prophet follows
what was revealed to him" so its fair and can be proven without a doubt that it is
the Qur'an ALONE that was revealed to the Prophet?
November 2 at 12:28pm · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari “Say, “Are there of shurakāikum (your ‘partners) any who yahdī
(guides) to ḥaqi (the truth)?” Say, ” Allah yahdī (guides) lil’ḥaqqi (to the truth).
So is He who yahdī (guides) to ḥaqi (the truth) more worthy that yuttabaʿa (he
should be followed) or he who guides not illā (unless) yuh’dā (he is guided)?
Then what is with you – how do taḥkumūna (you judge)?” 10/35
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Mufti Taha Khan Wow.... The prophet only follows what has been revealed to
him... Correct we believe that to, where ur brain stops working is that everything
revealed to him HAS to be in the Quran, according to us THERE WeRE THINGs
ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO HIM THST ARE NOT IN The QURAN....
Why do we say that.... Because in Surah tahreem Allah says that the NABI told
some of his wives a secret and when one of them told the other Allah informed
him ..... What Allah told him that's not mentioned in the Quran ... This proves that
Allah used to reveal to the prophet things that ARE NOT IN the Quran
Also another verse : Allah says that they will say thatwhat has turned the people
away from the qiblah they used to face....... What qiblah is he talking about????
November 2 at 12:38pm via mobile · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan So now I just proved to u from Quran that it dosent have to be
in Quran for it to be a message from Allah!!!!
And what qiblah did the Muslims follow????
November 2 at 12:41pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan I will divide the questions : for aymen.... I'll answer u buddy but
what does uswah mean?
November 2 at 12:43pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, " Wow.... The prophet only follows what has
been revealed to him... Correct we believe that to, where ur brain stops working is
that everything revealed to him HAS to be in the Quran, according to us THERE
WeRE THINGs ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO HIM THST ARE NOT IN The
QURAN..."
@Mufti, claims to believe that the Qur'an was revealed but it shows that he's just
not satisfied with the Qur'an alone by his statement:
"where ur brain stops working is that everything revealed to him HAS to be in the
Quran, according to us THERE WeRE THINGs ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO
HIM THST ARE NOT IN The QURAN..."
This is an assumption he has no proof what so ever indicating that other Divine
Revelations were revealed to him that were supposed to be conveyed to the
people. If he witheld information he would not have done his job as a messenger.
As any one reading Mufti baseless claims he has NO Bayyinat (Clear Evidence)
from Qur'an to back his conjecture.
Allah says:
"And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, <auhaina_ ilaika qur a_nan
arabiy yan> that you may warn the mother city and those around it, and that you
may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party
shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire." (42:7)
"Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an)
is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that
believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may
obtain mercy." (7:203-204)
"And this Quran has been revealed to me <u_hiya ilayya ha_zal qur'a_n> that
with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches" (6:19)
This we know without a doubt it was the Qur'an ALONE revealed to the Prophet.
Mufti said, "Why do we say that.... Because in Surah tahreem Allah says that the
NABI told some of his wives a secret and when one of them told the other Allah
informed him ..... What Allah told him that's not mentioned in the Quran ... This
proves that Allah used to reveal to the prophet things that ARE NOT IN the
Quran"
@Mufti again this is asummption, conjecture, guesswork to say that what the
Prophet told his wives was Divine revelation Allah does not say what was
between Allah, the Prophet and his wives was Wahi/Divine Revelation. This does
not prove that the Prophet Muhammad was given other Wahi/Divine Revelation
outside of the Qur'an primarily that was supposed to be conveyed to the people.
Allah makes it clear that what was revealed to the Prophet was meant to be
CONVEYED. Whatever Allah speaks of that wasn't conveyed to the people was
not meant to be conveyed and it wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation for Aalamin (for
the worlds).
Allah says,
“O Messenger! Proclaim which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And
if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you
from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve.” 5/67
.==> And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message.
Mufti continues to bring conjecture instead of evidence to back his claim.
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Aymen Michael ''like''?
November 2 at 1:16pm · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Again khidr.... All I'm proving is that Allah send him messages
wether it's meant for guidance or not according to u to the prophet... Meaning In a
state of him being a Nabi Allah tells him things we are not aware of ... Correct
from this ayah or no so far? The bigger question is coming after u answer some
common ground questions
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm proving that the prophet when he is Nabi according to u...
Gets messages and is guided by Allah wether or not its guidance to u or not... To
us everything is guidance in the Quran.... Not according to you because just now u
said Allah dosent say what was between him and wives were revelation... If
everything was for us in the Quran why then is Allah talking tot he prophet in
matters that are not related to us
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Mufti Taha Khan Again ... My proof... That Allah conveys to him things that are
not clear to us meaning in a state of being a Nabi in his normal day activities
November 2 at 1:31pm via mobile · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Do we agree here ? If not then why
November 2 at 1:32pm via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, " Wow.... The prophet only follows what has
been revealed to him... Correct we believe that to, where ur brain stops working is
that everything revealed to him HAS to be in the Quran, according to us THERE
WeRE THINGs ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO HIM THST ARE NOT IN The
QURAN..."
@Mufti, claims to believe that the Qur'an was revealed but it shows that he's just
not satisfied with the Qur'an alone by his statement:
"where ur brain stops working is that everything revealed to him HAS to be in the
Quran, according to us THERE WeRE THINGs ThAT WERE RevEAlED TO
HIM THST ARE NOT IN The QURAN..."
This is an assumption he has no proof what so ever indicating that other Divine
Revelations were revealed to him that were supposed to be conveyed to the
people. If he witheld information he would not have done his job as a messenger.
As any one reading Mufti baseless claims he has NO Bayyinat (Clear Evidence)
from Qur'an to back his conjecture.
Allah says:
"And thus have We revealed to you an Arabic Quran, <auhaina_ ilaika qur a_nan
arabiy yan> that you may warn the mother city and those around it, and that you
may give warning of the day of gathering together wherein is no doubt; a party
shall be in the garden and (another) party in the burning fire." (42:7)
"Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an)
is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that
believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may
obtain mercy." (7:203-204)
"And this Quran has been revealed to me <u_hiya ilayya ha_zal qur'a_n> that
with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches" (6:19)
This we know without a doubt it was the Qur'an ALONE revealed to the Prophet.
Mufti said, "Why do we say that.... Because in Surah tahreem Allah says that the
NABI told some of his wives a secret and when one of them told the other Allah
informed him ..... What Allah told him that's not mentioned in the Quran ... This
proves that Allah used to reveal to the prophet things that ARE NOT IN the
Quran"
@Mufti again this is asummption, conjecture, guesswork to say that what the
Prophet told his wives was Divine revelation Allah does not say what was
between Allah, the Prophet and his wives was Wahi/Divine Revelation. This does
not prove that the Prophet Muhammad was given other Wahi/Divine Revelation
outside of the Qur'an primarily that was supposed to be conveyed to the people.
Allah makes it clear that what was revealed to the Prophet was meant to be
CONVEYED. Whatever Allah speaks of that wasn't conveyed to the people was
not meant to be conveyed and it wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation for Aalamin (for
the worlds).
Allah says,
“O Messenger! Proclaim which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And
if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you
from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve.” 5/67
.==> And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message.
“O Messenger! Proclaim which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And
if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you
from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve.” 5/67
"The duty of the Messenger is nothing but to convey (the Message). And Allah
knows all that you reveal and all that you conceal." 5/99
"Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he is only
responsible for the duty placed on him and you for that placed on you. If you obey
him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to convey
(the message) in a clear way." 24/54
"And if you deny, then nations before you have denied (their Messengers). And
the duty of the Messenger is only to convey (the Message) plainly." 29/18
"Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away, then the duty of Our
Messenger is only to convey (the Message) clearly." 64/12
"Obey Allah and obey the Apostle; but if you turn away, then Our Apostle’s duty
is only to communicate in clear terms." 64/12
"So proclaim of what tu'maru (you are ordered)..." 15/94
Mufti continues to bring conjecture instead of evidence to back his claim.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, "I'm proving that the prophet when he is Nabi
according to u... Gets messages and is guided by Allah wether or not its guidance
to u or not... To us everything is guidance in the Quran.... Not according to you
because just now u said Allah dosent say what was between him and wives were
revelation... If everything was for us in the Quran why then is Allah talking tot he
prophet in matters that are not related to us"
Again, Mufti it doesn't matter as a Prophet he was given information that's
redundant Allah did not make it his responsibility to convey it openly. If this
wasn't the case it wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation and it wasn't for us to know.
Simple.
Also if you want to make the case Allah uses the same word he used in Surah
53/1-4 "waḥyun" / revelation Allah uses it in Surah 16/18 for the bee:
Allah says,
"By the evidence of the star when it goes down. Your companion does not err, nor
does he go astray; Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but waḥyun
(revelation) that is revealed."
"wa-awḥā (And inspired) your Lord to the bees, saying: "Take you habitations in
the mountains and in the trees and in what they erect." 16/18
Are we to say that now since the Bee was given revelation to the bee are Prophets
of Allah? Nah, Your point is pointless and futile. The information the Prophet
received that is conveyed to us in Wahi/Divine Revelation is between the Prophet
and Allah. It doesn't have anything to do with us in terms of open revelation from
Qur'an he was suppose to convey.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan notice all I do is present Qur'an take a serious look
at your post what do you present?
November 2 at 1:43pm · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan My friend wether its an ant or a bee... What I'm saying is that
Allah told him things that we are unaware of...... Yes or no
November 2 at 2:19pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Allah told him also showed him things which we
are unaware of because it was between God and his messenger. Prophet only
delivered what God inspired to him for our guidance and that was the Quran. Yes
or No.
November 2 at 6:49pm · Like
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Rehaan Waseem, Osman Azhar, Faraaz Merchant,
Shaan Syed, Sammy Hossain, Ibrahim Kaleem Seyed, Abul Qaasim, Faridah
Omar, Nasteha Xaji, Mohammed Samir Wahid, Abukumar Mazimpaka.
Before reading any Hadith keep these verses in your mind. Allah will guide you.
Insha Allah
AND HAD HE ATTRIBUTED ANYTHING FALSELY TO US
69:43 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
69:44 And had he attributed anything falsely to Us.
69:45 We would have seized him by the right.
69:46 Then, We would have severed his life-line.
69:47 None of you would be able to prevent it.
AND THEY NEARLY DIVERTED YOU FROM WHAT WE INSPIRED TO
YOU
17:73 And they nearly diverted you from what We inspired to you so that you
would fabricate something different against Us, and then they would have taken
you as a friend!
17:74 And if We had not made you stand firm, you were about to lean towards
them a little bit.
17:75 Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and
double the retribution in death. And then you would not find for yourself any
victor against Us.
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Musab Qazi Salam my brothers. I dont want to argue but please listen to me with
an open heart because there is no point in a heated argument in which both sides
are trying to knock the other out. Allah says in the Quran, Indeed, those who
disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah
and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and
wish to adopt a way in between. Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have
prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment. Differentiating between
Quran and sunnah is equivalent to kufr. Without ahadith you wouldnt know how
to pray even. Then we could just say that Allah said in the Quran that we must
pray and he didn't specify how and so we can pray how we like. Also the sahih
ahadith are extremely authentic and there is not the least bit of doubt in them.
Allah says in surah najm that the prophets talk, even if it was error, is wahi. Allah
made him make those errors so that we could learn what to do when we are in
those situations ourselves and other reasons also. And Allah says in the Quran
"Say, If you love Allah then follow me, Allah will love you and he will forgive
your sins, and Allah is the most forgiving most merciful." So how can we know
how to follow the prophet? Allah doesn't mention his everyday life in the Quran.
And if you really don't want to believe that, then i know you can give 1 million
excuses in the form of ayaat that you think support you so I'm not going to argue.
The Muslim ummat is already so divided, please don't divide it more by adding
more wrong things. Don't you fear Allah? Trust me, the main thing that is
expected from us when we read and understand the Quran is not that we learn to
throw verses of Quran at each other and say im right and you are wrong. The
point of Islam is not to throw proofs. Allah is witness to who is right and wrong.
A person who is adamant, even if given the most obvious proof, won't budge from
his theory because of his ego. The point of Quran is that we become humble,
develop good character, and observe piety and imaan and that we listen open
heartedly to the truth. Judging from your harsh language on your posts, this effect
is not in your life. The Quran teaches us to be loving,soft, lenient, and not to
argue, not to be harsh and rough in speech and always argue. Please don't
misguide yourself and others after you already know Islam. Please try to
understand and please excuse me if I have offended you in anyway. Allah guides
whomsoever he wants. Wasalam.
November 2 at 8:46pm · Like · 1
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Uzair Rauf following the messenger automatically means following the daily
actions of the prophet muhammad? not becsuse the quran was being revealed
through him over a period of time and the only way to obey the quran would be to
follow and subscribe to the messenger? very well, then ill ask the same question
ive been asking for the past few days now, where does the quran lead me to these
scriptures?
November 2 at 10:48pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur @Musab Qazi
4:150 Those who rejected God and His messengers, and they want to make a
separation between God and His messengers, and they say: "We believe in some
and reject some!" And they desire to take a path in-between.
Why don’t you read the Quran carefully? Where Does God mention the word
Sunnah in verse 4:150?
You only quoted the verse out of the context without reading and understanding
the above and below verses and claiming that it is talking about the Sunnah.
This verse is talking about the Hypocrites who had soft heart for rejecters from
the people of book so they said we believe in some verses/parts of the Quran and
we reject the other which mention that do not take rejecters as your allies as
mentioned in these verse:
4:139 Those who take the rejecters as allies instead of the believers: "Do they
seek glory with them?" All glory belongs to God.
4:144 O you who believe, do not take the rejecters as allies instead of the
believers. Do you want God to have a reason against you?
Same thing repeated in verse 59:11
59:11 Have you noted those who are hypocrites, they say to their brothers who
have rejected among the people of the Book: If you are driven out we will go out
with you, and we will never obey anyone who opposes you. And if anyone fights
you, we will support you. God bears witness that they are liars.
WE BELIEVE IN SOME AND REJECT SOME is about the Message of God in
the verses of the QURAN. It does not mean Sunnah.
So Wake up!
Musab Qazi Did the Prophet follow the Quran or something else?
IF YOU LOVE GOD THEN FOLLOW ME
3:31 Say: "If you love God then follow me so God will love you and forgive your
sins." God is Forgiver, Merciful.
I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME
10:15 And when Our clear revelations were recited to them, those who do not
wish to meet Us said: "Bring a Qur'an other than this, or change it!" Say: "It is not
for me to change it of my own accord, I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT IS
INSPIRED TO ME. I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of a great
Day!"
6:50 Say: "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of God, nor do I know
the future, nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I MERELY FOLLOW WHAT
IS INSPIRED TO ME." Say: "Are the blind and the seer the same? Do you not
think?"
I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME FROM MY LORD
7:203 And because you do not bring them a sign, they say: "If only you had
brought one." Say: "I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME FROM
MY LORD. This is an evidence from your Lord, and a guide and mercy to a
people who believe."
I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME
46:9 Say: I am no different from the other messengers, nor do I know what will
happen to me or to you. I ONLY FOLLOW WHAT IS INSPIRED TO ME. I am
no more than a clear warner.
So Musab Qazi What was inspired to Prophet Muhammad? QURAN or Other
revelations.
6:21 And who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or denies His
revelations! The wicked will never succeed.
November 2 at 11:14pm · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri : first u accepted that everything the prophet says has to
be followed but only till he is alive..... So first make up ur mind please
November 2 at 11:51pm via mobile · Like · 1
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Musab Qazi Also then that means that there is no Eid ul Adha nor an Eid ul Fitr
and it means that there is no salat ul jumuah because allah never mentions that
there is anything special about those days. Allah says that when we are called for
the prayer on Jumuah but he doesn't mention anything about a special prayer. For
all we know he could have been talking about Fajr. Also it means that if
ANYONE, not matter who, even a 5 year old kid steals something, then we would
have to cut off his hand. It also means that islam is just a philosophy, with no
specifics on how to lead our day to day life. Yes Prophet SAW followed what was
revealed to him, but Quran is not the only thing that is revalation. Each and
everything he said or did was revalation as Allah mentions in surah najm.
November 3 at 2:01am · Like · 1
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Musab Qazi Oh also how many times a day do muslims pray? (it's not mentioned
in to Quran). Also how much zakat are we supposed to give. And how do we
know what to do in hajj exactly? Do we just go to the Ka'bah and our hajj is
done? Look im not going to try to "prove" you wrong because someone who
doesn't want to believe in something can come up with millions of "proofs" if they
don't want to believe. But I sure as hell am going to show you exactly how utterly
stupid you look. I promise you that you won't be able to answer any one of these
questions from the Qur'an correctly. The reason Allah didn't exactly break it down
to someone with such low intellect as you that you have to follow what the
Prophet said and did by understanding the situation in light of ahadith(because
otherwise you will ask why dont I ride a camel and why don't i marry a 6 year old
girl) is because he made most (obviously not all) humans with this much intellect
that they would understand that you cant follow someone if you don't know a
word they said or anything they did specifically in their day to day life
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr... The point is that u said he is rasool only when he
recieves a message from Allah.... So I cracked this philosophy of urs as I showed
u that as a Nabi according to u he revealed to him things... So now what does
uswah mean?
November 3 at 4:58am via mobile · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan And this tells us that he was guided in him being a non rasool
meaning Nabi to u which gives us the point of following him in his speech and
other things !!!!! So what does uswah mean ??
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, what Allah shared with the Prophet Muhammad
that we weren't suppose to know is none of our business. Its just that simple.
Case in point: Mufti claims that the Prophet Muhammad was given extra
information that is not presented to us by the Messenger I don't know what Mufti
want to make out of this. Again, it wasn't Wahi/Divine Revelation.
If we want to build a case around the Prophet Muhammad being given
information besides the Qur'an that was between Allah and His Messenger well
we have plenty of other Prophets and all to chose from in Qur'an that Allah did
the same thing with them such as:
Allah called out to Adam and his wife:
"wanādāhumā (And called them both) rabbuhumā (their Lord) alam ("Did not)
anhakumā (I forbid you both)..." 7/22
Prophet Nuh also was given Wahi:
"waūḥiya (And it was inspired) ilā (to) nūḥin (Nuh,)..." 11/36 <==
qāla (He said,) yānūḥu ("O Nuh!) innahu (Indeed, he) is not of your family."
11/46
Prophet Ibrahim was given inspiration:
"ḥujjatunā (That is our argument), which we gave to Ibrahim against his qawmihi
(his people.)" 11/26
Prophet Jacob was given inspiration:
"And when the caravan parted/went out , their father said: "That I, I find Joseph's
smell , unless you prove me wrong ." They said, ‘By Allah! Your mind is still
astray.’ But when the bringer of the good news came, he cast it on his face and
sight returned. He said, ‘Did I not say to you before, I know things from Allah
you do not know?’" 12/94-96
Prophet Yusuf/Joseph was given Wahi: <==
"So when they went with him, and agreed to put him in the bottom of the well,
wa-awḥaynā (and We inspired) to him, 'Thou shalt tell them of this their doing
when they are unaware." 12/15
Prophet Musa was given Wahi: <==
"I am your Lord. Take off your sandals. You are in the holy valley of Tuwa."
"And I have chosen you, so listen to what is yūḥā (inspired)." 20/12-13
"walaqad (And verily) awḥaynā (We inspired), Moses, 'Journey by night with my
servants, and strike out for them a dry road in the sea. Fear not pursuit, nor be
afraid!'" 20/77
Prophet Muhammad was given Wahi: <==
"By the evidence of the star when it goes down. Your companion does not err, nor
does he go astray; Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but waḥyun
(revelation) that is revealed." 53/1-4
The Bee was given Wahi: <==
"And your Lord wa-awḥā (inspired) the bees, saying: "Take you habitations in the
mountains and in the trees and in what they erect." 16/68
Now we have Prophet Nuh, Yusuf, Musa, Muhammad and the bees all given
Wahi does this mean they all came with their own sayings? Allah gave Prophet
Muhammad information that was not meant to be conveyed to the people and
once again that has nothing to do with us. Allah gave Prophet Jacob information,
Ibrahim information, etc. Again, Prophet Muhammad was given the Qur'an alone
nothing else. If you say that Wahi/Divine Revelation was not limited to the Qur'an
you need to produce the ayat.
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan said, Khidr... The point is that u said he is rasool
only when he recieves a message from Allah.... So I cracked this philosophy of
urs as I showed u that as a Nabi according to u he revealed to him things... So
now what does uswah mean?
@Mufti what part aren't you understanding you haven't cracked anything other
than your continued lack of knowing the Book of Allah. Prove that the Prophet
Muhammad received Wahi/Divine Revelations besides Qur'an. I'm not in dispute
that the Prophet received other information just like I just showed you how other
Prophets were given information Allah didn't mention. That doesn't make it
Wahi/Divine Revelation that is supposed to be conveyed to the people.
November 3 at 5:15am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari With the other information other Prophets received also proves they
to were guided. Uswatun Hasana means/excellent example in Surah 33/21
November 3 at 5:16am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari @Musab, I suggest you read about what Allah says about those who
continue to challenge Allah's Book saying its incomplete.
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Uzair Rauf musab, search all of these 'where in the quran does it say' questions on
google and you will finx the answers. we're not going to spoonfeed you the
answers just because you are too lazy to study the quran for yourself.
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Why should Muslims return to the Qur'an Alone without the Sunnah Mohammed
Samir Wahid because Allah tells us to follow His Book what other book can give
us better guidance?
November 3 at 5:26am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Why do Muslims follow Hadith?
November 3 at 5:27am · Like · 1
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Uzair Rauf go on youtube and type proof:zakaat , proof:prayer , or proof: hajj .
these are very informative and detailed videos, and short as well.
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Mufti Taha Khan To understand Quran ..... Now again running away ... What
does uswah mean? Please ...!!
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan I answered your question a while ago I'm not
answering you again scroll up
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Uzair Rauf also you say that the quran is not the only revelation from allah, yet it
is the only revelation allah gives the characteristics as perfect, well-guarded,
truthful, contradiction free, etc etc. why arent the hadith revelations u speak of
given these characteristics as well? why arent they even mentioned in the quran?
furthermore, why do they contain mistakes and contradictions and rely on
manmade guessing to determine their authenticity, characteristicly making it the
exact oposite of the quran? does any of this make sense? Allah taking
responsibilty for one revelation and letting man take responsibility for the other
and fail miserably? Is this islam?
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Khidr Amari Repost: this comment was in the early discussion see Mufti Taha
Khan doesn't read what is being given.
Khidr Amari Live the Quranic way of life implementing the Qur'an the Salaat,
Divine System in our lives all day every day.
Allah says in Surah 33/21
"Indeed, in the messenger of Allah us'watun ḥasanatun (a good example) has been
set for you for he who seeks Allah and the Last Day and thinks constantly about
Allah."
What about Prophet Ibrahim Allah tells us clearly,
"Indeed, there is for you us'watun ḥasanatun (a good example) in Ibrahim and
those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of
what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and enmity
and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah
alone-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask
forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on
Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming."
Also in Surah 60/6
"In them, indeed, you have us'watun ḥasanatun (a good example) for everyone
who looks forward to Allah and the Last Day. And if any turns away, Allah is
truly self-sufficient, the One to whom all praise is due."
Now Allah says that Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Ibrahim and his followers in
them we have us'watun hasanatun (a good example) so how can you put Prophet
Muhammad above any other Prophet of Allah.
Allah says,
"Then We inspired to you: "You shall ittabiʿ (follow) millata ibrahima (the way of
Ibrahim), ḥanīfan (upright), and he was not of those who set up partners." 16/123
The infinitive imla’ meaning ‘to dictate’, contains the notion of something which
is dictated from any divine or undivine, mighty or unmighty, holy or non-holy
source. The word milla in its religious sense means a way, a path, or a cult which
is dictated and presented by a divine or perhaps undivine leader or group. Both
cases have been exemplified in the Qur’an:
"Who would abandon millati ib'rāhīma (the creed of Ibrahim) except one who
fools himself? We have selected him in this world, and in the Hereafter, he is of
the reformers." 2/130
Again, Allah is instructing the Prophet Muhammad to call to the millata Ibrahim
(the way of Ibrahim):
"Say, " Allah has told the truth. fa-ittabiʿū (then follow) millata ibrahima (the way
of Ibrahim) inclining toward truth; and he was not of the polytheists." 3/95
"And who is fairer dīnan (in the way) of life than he who submitted his face to
Allah and he is one who is a doer of good wa-ittabaʿa (and follows) millata
ibrahima (the way of Ibrahim), ḥanīfan (upright)? And Allah took Ibrahim to
Himself khalīlan (as a friend)." 4/125
Prophet Yusuf abandoned millita (the way) of his people who didn't belief in
Allah along with rejecting the hereafter:
He said: "There is not any provision of food that will come to you except that I
will tell you of its interpretation before it comes. That is from what my Lord has
taught me. I have just left millata (the way) qawmin (of a people) who do not
believe in Allah, and they are rejecting the Hereafter." 12/37
Again and again we are told by Allah in His Book, the Qur'an to follow what, is it
the Sunnatu Rasoolulllah or the Millata Ibrahim? Prophet Yusuf tells them clearly
who he follows:
Allah says,
"wa-ittabaʿtu (And I follow) millata (the way) ābāī (of my fathers): ib'rāhīma,
Isaac, and Jacob. It was not for us to set up partners with God at all. That is
Allah's blessings over us and over the people, but most of the people are not
thankful." 12/38
All of the above ayats indicates that at Ibrahim’s milla as a divine path and or
way. Hence, since a divine path like that of Ibrahim was revealed and dictated by
Allah, it is called milla in the sense that it is a dictated path that should be
followed by the adherents of that divine dinan (manner of conduct). In either case,
milla in its divine sense is also attributed to the prophet or to the leader of a dinan
(system).
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Khidr Amari Mohammed Samir Wahid your not presenting anything. The Qur'an
confirms itself by Allah saying if the Qur'an was from any other many
contradictions you would find. Now how do you validate your Hadith?
November 3 at 5:39am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Allah told us to follow the Qur'an, the Wahi/Divine Revelation
through his Messenger.
November 3 at 5:39am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mohammed Samir Wahid, how do I believe the Qur'an is the Qur'an
well because the Qur'an tells me so.
November 3 at 5:40am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur USWA HUSNA OF ABRAHAM
60:4 There has been a good example (USWA HUNA) set for you by Abraham
and those with him, when they said to their people: We are innocent from you and
what you serve besides God. We have rejected you, and it appears that there shall
be animosity and hatred between us and you until you believe in God alone.
Except for the saying of Abraham to his father: I will ask forgiveness for you, but
I do not possess any power to protect you from God. Our Lord, we have put our
trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the final destiny.
USWA HUSNA OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD
33:21 Indeed, in the messenger of God a good example (USWA HUNA) has been
set for you for he who seeks God and the Last Day and thinks constantly about
God.
MOHAMMAD FOLLOW ABRAHAM
16:123 Then We inspired to you: "You shall follow the creed of Abraham,
monotheism, and he was not of the polytheists."
November 3 at 5:44am · Like
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Saeed Talpur Where is the Sunnah of Abraham?
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Khidr Amari Zubair Baig again stop being foolish the Qur'an says,
"This too, is a blessed Book which We have sent down – follow it and be
conscious of your Lord, so that you may receive mercy – lest you say, ‘Books
were sent to two communities before us: we were not aware of what they studied’,
or ‘if only the Book had been sent down to us, we would have been better guided
than them.’ Now your Lord has brought you clear evidence, guidance, and mercy.
Who could be more wrong then someone who rejects Allah’s Revelations and
turns away from them? We shall repay those who turn away from our verses with
a painful punishment." (Qur’an 6:155-157)
November 3 at 5:45am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr ... Uswah in Arabic means a complete way of life,
example, as lisaanul Arab states.....
Now my question to u is that the prophets complete way of life isn't found in the
Quran... If it is then where is the uswah Allah is talking about??? Remember
uswah are those things that non prophets can do, because why would Allah tell us
to take the prophet in his way of life if its things that are related to him being a
RASOoL?? So where is the uswah??????
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Saeed Talpur us'watun
hamza sīn wāw ( س )
to imitate any one. uswah - model, imitation, relief, consolation, pattern, example
worthy of imitation.
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Saeed Talpur USWA HUSNA OF ABRAHAM
60:4 There has been a good example (USWA HUNA) set for you by Abraham
and those with him, when they said to their people: We are innocent from you and
what you serve besides God. We have rejected you, and it appears that there shall
be animosity and hatred between us and you until you believe in God alone.
Except for the saying of Abraham to his father: I will ask forgiveness for you, but
I do not possess any power to protect you from God. Our Lord, we have put our
trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the final destiny.
November 3 at 5:53am · Like
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Saeed Talpur Mufti Taha Khan Uswa Husna means good example God told
Prophet Muhammad to follow Abraham.
November 3 at 5:56am · Like
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Saeed Talpur 16:123 Then We inspired to you: "You shall follow the creed of
Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of the polytheists."
November 3 at 5:57am · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan, You just asked me a question I answered it now
you want to ask me another question ok after I answer your question you answer
mines.
Your question is the Prophet's ==> PERSONA/PRIVATE <== way of life insn't
in Qur'an and that would be on the Prophet/Human being side and you want to
know where is the Uswatan Hasana Allah is referring to.
Mufti, that's is your own definition believing Uswah means a complete way of life
to me it means the Prophet Muhammad's conduct, behavior, his iman basically
understanding his character he had towards Allah, towards others. Where is the
Uswatun Hasana found its found IN QUR'AN which is the Best Hadith, the most
reliable Hadith.
There are many ayats that tells us about the Uswatun Hasana about the Prophet
Muhammad:
1) Prophet Muhammad's dealing with the idol worshippers in Surah 53/19-23
2) Prophet Muhammad' compassion towards the believers in Surah 3:31
3) Prophet Muhammad's fear of failing in Surah 2/214
5) Prophet Muhammad's dealing with his wives’ rebellion. ~~ 33/28-31
6) Prophet Muhammad dealing with his adopted son Surah 33/37
7) Prophet Muhammad's dealing with his followers gently and was not server and
hard-hearted in Surah 3/159
Prophet Muhammad was commanded to take forgiveness, enjoin what was good
and turn away from the ignorant in Surah 7/199
9) Prophet Muhammad showed compassion and grieved that his peole should
perish or fall into distress; he was excessively solicitous of the good of his peole,
and he was most compassionate and merciful (ra’uf-ur-rahim) in Surah 9/128,
16/37
10) Prophet Muhammad was commanded by Allah to lower his wing (be kind) in
Surah 15/88, 26/215
11) Prophet Muhammad was most anxious for people’s guidance in Surah 16/37,
9/128
12) Prophet Muhammad was commanded to invite people with Hikmah (wisdom)
and beautiful exhortation and to reason with them in the best and most gracious
manner in Surah 16/125
13) Prophet Muhammad was commanded to repel evil with that which was best in
Surah 41/34
Now I want to ask you a counter question Mufti this same word is used for
Prophet Ibrahim in Surah 60/4 and his followers in Surah 60/6 since you claim to
believe the Prophet Muhammad's example is found in Hadith books where is the
Uswatun Hasana found for Prophet Ibrahim?
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Sammy Hossain God told Muhammed to follow Ibraheem and he told us to
follow Muhammed. Damn you guys are thick.
November 3 at 5:57am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Mohammed Samir Wahid you just simply reject the Book of Allah I
understand.
November 3 at 5:58am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Move on
November 3 at 5:58am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain, we are following Prophet Muhammad in what he
to was told to follow, hence the Qur'an, the question is Millata Ibrahim is found
throughout the Qur'an produce the ayat for Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Nataq-un-
Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)
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Khidr Amari Why is Millita Ibrahim found and Sunnatu Allah found but no
Sunnatu Rasoolullah or Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)....go figure Prophet
Muhammad did not come with anything new.
November 3 at 6:02am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mohammed Samir Wahid, again read the Qur'an.
November 3 at 6:04am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur 2:2 This is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guidance for the
righteous.
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Sammy Hossain Honestly, I left this convo mad long ago cuz you just like going
in circles and eventually end up contradicting yourselves. But anyways I'm gonna
leave again. My other questions still unanswered... Why did it take us so long to
figure out the actual message of Quran? The companions didn't get it. The ppl
after them didn't. We're so fortunate that even after 1400 we're the one who have
understood its true meaning. Bravo
November 3 at 6:06am · Like · 4
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain its s imple ==> "In which Hadith, then, after
it, will they believe?" (77:50)
November 3 at 6:08am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari The Qur'an is the Best Hadith versus your johnny come late Hadith
by Bukhari and company.
November 3 at 6:09am · Like · 1
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Sammy Hossain I understand. People tend to talk rubbish when they don't have
anything else to say. That still doesn't answer the question.
November 3 at 6:12am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Bukhari was the biggest Hadith rejecter. Bukhari collected more
than 600,000 hadiths and accepted 7,275 hadiths and considered 592,725 hadiths
to be un-proven hadiths. LMAO
November 3 at 6:13am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain so Allah is talking rubbish in His Book about
Hadith?
"In which Hadith, then, after it, will they believe?" (77:50)
"Do they not consider the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and whatever
things Allah has created, and that may be their doom shall have drawn nigh; In
which Hadith would they then believe in after this?" (7:185)
"And who is more true in giving Hadith than Allah?" (4:87)
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Saeed Talpur Bukhari was MUNKER HADITH. LOL
November 3 at 6:13am · Like · 1
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Sammy Hossain Lol you just made an ass of yourself talpuri. I won't even bother
explaining why.
Khidr, the question is pretty straight forward, I don't understand why you can't
seem to understand it. Why did it take us so long to figure out the true message of
the Quran. Btw did I mention that the Quran is clear and self explanatory?
(Sarcasm btw)
November 3 at 6:16am · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain you don't know who got what between your Sunnis
and Shites Hadith that contradict each other in HISTORY, in the narrations chains
its obvious no SECT got it. Yet, you blaming us because we don't want to follow
baseless Hadith?
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Sammy Hossain I'm not blaming anything on you bro. I'd just like to know why it
took the muslims so long? Last time I checked the Quran was in arabic not morse
code
November 3 at 6:18am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain, your own Hadith says that Muslims rejected
Hadith.
November 3 at 6:21am · Like · 1
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Sammy Hossain Thank you very much for answering my question... NOT!
November 3 at 6:22am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur Bukhari and company collected the Hadiths 200 years later after the
death of Prophet so what was the people following during this time?
November 3 at 6:23am · Like
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Khidr Amari The call to Qur'an isn't new the majority of those who wanted to
follow Hadith won just like the victors in wars get to write the history those who
wanted Hadith got to eliminate the call to Qur'an alone and wiped any and mostly
those who followed Qur'an alone out of the books. Again, your own Hadith
testifies to the split between Muslims wanting to follow Qur'an alone and those
who wanted to follow Hadith who made Hadith Divine Scripture.
This is what I mean between a split history, get it Muhammad one man yet
because of Hadith we have this mess:
The ACID TEST:
"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than
Allah , they would have found within it much ikh'tilāfan (contradiction)." 4/82
The History of Islam is divided among two major sects the Shias and the Sunnis.
Qualifications for ruler:
Shia ==> Belonging to the family of the Prophet
Sunnu ==> Qualified ruler; chosen by the Ummah
Shia ==> Traditions (Hadith): From the 12 Infallible Imams
Sunni ==> From the Companions of the Prophet
Did Muhammad designate a successor?:
Shia ==> Yes (Ali ibn Abu Talib)
Sunni ==> No
Place of worship:
Shia ==> Mosque (Masjid) and Imam Bargah
Sunni ==> Mosque (Masjid)
Pillars of Islam:
Shia
1. Salat (Worship)
2. Sawm (Fast)
3. Hajj (Pilgrimage)
4. Zakaat (Poor-rate)
5. Khums (One-fifth)
6. Amr-Bil-Ma'rūf (Promotion)
7. Nahi-Anil-Munkar (Dissuasion)
8. Tawalla (Re-affirmation)
9. Tabarra (disassociation from the enemies of Islam)
Sunni...
1. Shahadah (Testament of Faith)
2. Salah (Prayer) "
3. Zakat (Alms giving)
4. Sawm (Fasting)
5. Hajj (Pilgrimage)
Articles of Islamic belief:
Shia
1. Tawhid (monotheism)
2. Qiyamah (Day of Judgment)
3. Nubuwwah (Prophethood)
4. Imamah (Leadership of the Twelve Imams)
5. Adl (Justice)
Sunni...
1. Allah.
2. His Angels.
3. His Messengers.
4. His Books.
5. The Last Day.
6. Divine Preordainments good or bad.
Origin of Islam
Shia
Originating with the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, a 7th century Arab
religious and political figure, and believe that his son-in-law, Ali, is his successor.
Sunni...
Originating with the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, a 7th century Arab
religious and political figure, and believe that his close friend Abu Bakr was his
successor.
Holy days:
Shia
1) Ramadan,
2) Ashura,
3) Eid al Fitr,
4) Eid al Adha,
5) Eid al ghadeer
Sunni...
1) Ramadan,
2) Eid al Fitr,
3) Eid al Adha
Main Books of Narration (Hadith):
Shia
1) al-Kulaini (d. 328 or 329),
2) Ibn Babuwayh (d. 381),
3) Jaafar Muhammad al-Tusi (d. 411) and
4) al-Murtada (d. 436)
Sunni...
1) Bukhari (d. 256/870),
2) Muslim (d. 261/875),
3) Abu Daud (d. 275/888),
4) Tirmidhi (d. 279/892),
5) Ibn Maja (d. 273/886), and
6) al-Nasa'i (d. 303/915)
Imams identified as:
Shia
infallible and perfect examples of humanity. Only legitimate interpreters and
partners of the Quran.
Sunni...
Human leaders who have strong faith in Islam (Quran,Sahi Hadees etc) and love
for God's creatures.
Successors after the Prophet:
Shia
12 Infallible Imaams from the Prophets Progeny
Sunni...
Hazrat Abu Bakr (father of the Prophet's favoured wife),Hazrat 'A'ishah (elected
by people of Medina),Hazrat Ali,Hazrat Umar, Hazrat Usman,Hazrat Imam
Hussain & Hazrat Imam Hassan.
Clergy:
Shia
1) Imams,
2) Mullahs,
3) Ayatollah,
4) Sayed
Sunni...
1) Mullahs and
2) Caliphs.
Actual successor of the Prophet:
Shia
1) Ali ibn Abu Talib...
Sunni...
1) Abu Bakr
Temporary Marriage
Shia
1) (Muttah) permitted: Yes
Sunni....
No Strongly prohibbited according to Quran and Sahi Hadees.
Intercession permitted:
Shia
Yes (12 Infallibles ONLY)
Sunni....
No
November 3 at 6:24am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidr ... Please answer Samir ... Read the Quran simply isn't an
answer... Also according to u you can follow the bible aswell because where we
say it dosent count in the Quran it's general and we find that in hadith
November 3 at 6:24am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan don't tell me who to answer I have answered all of
your questions you have yet to answer mines.
November 3 at 6:27am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Also we've been waiting for ur salah video all from Quran ... Or
perhaps a link... We know ur too ashamed to show us cuz u can dodge our
questions but ur link or vid of salah will rip u into shreds
November 3 at 6:27am via mobile · Like · 3
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Khidr Amari Actually I just did answer his questions with the SPLIT history of
Muhammad between two SECTS.
November 3 at 6:27am · Like · 1
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Sammy Hossain So the companions of the Prophet misunderstood the message?
Wow being in the direct company couldn't provide guidance but english
translation did. Btw I read that book you told me. Its a bunch of rubbish. He has
the audacity quote a buncha buddhists but claims Hadith are forged. Shows who
he's siding with.
November 3 at 6:28am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain you talk much but can't produce nothing I'm done
talking with you all you should shut up sometimes and go study the Qur'an its
obvious you don't know nothing about the Book.
November 3 at 6:30am · Like · 1
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Saeed Talpur http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbrj-BvAF8g
November 3 at 6:30am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Writing non related things as an answer is never called
answering buddy... I asked u a question in ur answer but never answered...
November 3 at 6:31am via mobile · Like
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Sammy Hossain You do know that a better argument that can be presented for
salah is to take the literal meaning of which is dua. (Credit goes to me) lol
November 3 at 6:31am · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan answer my question
November 3 at 6:31am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Everything I have posted is relevant even the split history between
two deviant sects/Sunnis/Shites
November 3 at 6:32am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan So provide the video link of ur salah please
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Khidr Amari Three simple questions for Mufti Taha Khan, for those tales of the
Ancients, Hadith:
1) Does Hadith provide the historical circumstances of each and every verse of
the Qur’an?
2) Is there only one consistent set of data available for this?...See More
November 3 at 6:33am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari I'm not provided anything we not talking about Salaat
November 3 at 6:33am · Like
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Sammy Hossain o yes I really should study. I just don't know what to do with all
those ayahs that are telling me to obey the Messenger. Its clear cut, do I still have
to interpret to something as silly as not him but the message. Then what does obey
Allah mean? Now I'm gonna throw back your favorite line "did Allah run out of
words??"
November 3 at 6:34am · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari Second time around Mufti Taha Khan, Three simple questions for
Mufti Taha Khan, for those tales of the Ancients, Hadith:
1) Does Hadith provide the historical circumstances of each and every verse of
the Qur’an?
2) Is there only one consistent set of...See More
November 3 at 6:34am · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain its clear cut obey the messenger means to you obey
Buhkari.
November 3 at 6:35am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan Also according to u can we follow the bible
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain, Obey the messenger how can we obey Muhammad
if he's dead. How can a Messenger have his own words being obeyed when he's a
messenger? Isn't a Messenger conveying a message that doesn't belong to him? If
the messenger is to be obeyed who sent the messenger? What was the message?
November 3 at 6:36am · Like
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Khidr Amari THIRD TIME around Mufti Taha Khan Three simple questions for
Mufti Taha Khan, for those tales of the Ancients, Hadith:
1) Does Hadith provide the historical circumstances of each and every verse of
the Qur’an?
2) Is there only one consistent set of d...See More
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Sammy Hossain I don't know. Don't ask me. The Quran says it. Please don't go
against the Quean
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain,
Allah says,
"Should We treat the ones who have surrendered the same as those who are
criminals? What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another
book which you study? In it you find whatever you wish to find?" Surah 68...See
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November 3 at 6:39am · Like
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Sammy Hossain Quran. Stupid spell check lol
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Mufti Taha Khan I'm sorry but bukhari is more worthy then ur dad saying he is ur
dad... Simply because there's a chain that dosent break
November 3 at 6:39am via mobile · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari the Hadith gives Sunnis/Shites everything they wish for
November 3 at 6:40am · Like
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Mufti Taha Khan And u didn't answer my questions ..... Can we follow the bible?
November 3 at 6:40am via mobile · Like
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Sammy Hossain NO. Infact leaving out Hadith give you all the freedom you wish
for.
November 3 at 6:41am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Look at him dodging the question.... We not talking about salah
November 3 at 6:42am via mobile · Like
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Sammy Hossain Anyways I'm out. Assalaamu Alaikum to those who love Nabi
(saw)
November 3 at 6:42am · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan So salah and how u pray... And can we follow the bible??
November 3 at 6:42am via mobile · Like
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Khidr Amari Salaam to you Mufti Taha Khan, you never answered:
PRODUCE ONE VERSE IN AL QUR'AAN THAT SAYS EITHER ONE OF
THE FOLLOWING:
(1) We are suppose to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu
Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’...See More
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Sammy Hossain Wait I remember answering those questions and I also remember
you saying you've answered but you left one out. That statement of yours just
proves that your questions were answered but you kept twisting things around.
You want proof? You can have a fun time re reading all those posts
November 3 at 6:45am · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Talpuri posted a video completely off topic... I'm asking him for
his salah firstly... And wait aren't u still suppost me if u made ur mind or not as to
what I support talpuri????????????????
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain stop the lies
November 3 at 6:48am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari No Sunni here with the NAME has answered any of these
Questions.
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Khidr Amari You have made a fool out of yourself this long give up.
November 3 at 6:49am · Like · 1
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Mufti Taha Khan Khidrs out.... Why??? I simply asked him that ok forget Hadith
.. Show me how u pray without Hadith ..... He leaves telling me u didn't answer
my questions!!!
November 3 at 6:49am via mobile · Like · 1
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Sammy Hossain I'm not lying. Lol you can go back and read it UNLESS you
haven't deleted it
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain does the Qur'an say to follow Nataq-un-Nabi”
(Speech of Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’
November 3 at 6:50am · Like
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Khidr Amari Yes or no
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Khidr Amari I'm not talking about unclear ayats
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Khidr Amari Millata Ibrahim is clear
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Mufti Taha Khan I'll answer all of them again !!!!!! But video first please
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Khidr Amari Do you have the ayat saying to follow Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of
Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunnah of Messenger) by ‘NAME’ like I have the
ayat saying to follow Millata Ibrahim
November 3 at 6:51am · Like
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Sammy Hossain It says follow Nabi (saw) and its general so it includes that as
well. If you wish to interpret the clear meaning then you'll need proof to do so.
I'm not letting you go this time
November 3 at 6:52am · Like · 2
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Mufti Taha Khan Everyone please ask khidr for the video and watch him say
Salam to u like he greeted me, atleast you guys will get a greeting from him if not
an answer or verses to support his claims
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain it says to follow the Messenger/Messengers where
does it say follow Nabi
November 3 at 6:54am · Like
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Khidr Amari So Sammy Hossain Allah says also follow the Messengers how do
we do that?
November 3 at 6:55am · Like
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan our discussion is through you never answered my
questions nothing more to discuss people reading this will see the truth.
November 3 at 6:56am · Like
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Khidr Amari Oral Torah and the Making of the Talmud
At Mount Sinai, God gave God's people the wisdom of the Al Kitab:
1) Written law (part written down by Moses)...See More
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Mufti Taha Khan He'll yeah they will !!!!! Video please
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Sammy Hossain You wouldn't be asking if you knew the concept of prophethood.
I won't answer bcuz I clearly remember asking you how do you offer salah, zakah
hajj etc and you said "its not my problem you haven't read the Quran" so once
again its not my problem you haven't learned basic Aqeedah
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Mufti Taha Khan And khidr I showed u how we have to follow Nabi step by
step!!! And then u changed the question to take the spotlight off this and this is
what u said.... " u haven't answered any question of mine"
November 3 at 7:00am via mobile · Like · 2
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Khidr Amari I'm done with the both of you my job is finish.
November 3 at 7:01am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mufti Taha Khan stop your lies you didn't show anything again how
you like to delude yourself with your own folly. The Qur'an no where says to
follow the Nabi we know this but to keep it simple Nataq-un-Nabi” (Speech of
Nabi)/ Sunnatu Rasoolullah (Sunn...See More
November 3 at 7:04am · Like · 1
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Khidr Amari Mo Ameen..., have you read the entire debate? Or are you rambling
off I have nothing to hide I said for them to start a new thread there are too many
post on this thread. I have nothing to hide. I provided the ayats have they? What
can you do? Present ...See More
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Sammy Hossain Lol you're a joker. Let's get some facts straight. You were not
alone. Your buddies joined in as well. Second, its not that we couldn't handle you.
We just tired of you and loopholes
November 3 at 6:37pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Sammy Hossain new thread
November 3 at 6:38pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Loop holes you Sunnis don't answer questions and you can't find
nothing in Qur'an that supports you I said new thread.
November 3 at 6:39pm · Like
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Sammy Hossain Aight. If its a new thread you want then that's exactly what you'll
get.
November 3 at 6:41pm · Like
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Khidr Amari Bring your proofs not conjecture
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