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Racine Industries, Inc. 1405 Sixteenth Street Racine, Wisconsin 53403
October 6, 2010
Mr. Lane Hallenbeck
American National Standards Institute
1819 L Street, Northwest
Washington, DC 20036
Dear Mr. Hallenbeck,
We at Racine Industries understand that Carpet and Rug Institute (CRI) has applied for
ANSI Accreditation of their Seal of Approval Vacuum Cleaner Program. As a product
manufacturer, client of CRI and as a directly and materially affected industry
stakeholder in CRI activities, Racine Industries objects and urges ANSI to deny the CRI
application.
The ANSI name lends credence to standards activities. The ANSI name indicates to the
public that a standards developer has followed the stringent steps necessary to create
and maintain trustworthy, scientific standards that the public may have confidence in.
Alternatively, the ANSI name may be used to make it appearthat these things have
been done. For example, CRI publicly and with no retraction claims to already have
ANSI accreditation for its vacuum cleaner testing program:
-accredited product certifying body and has placed the SOA/Green
(Appendix F)
alluding to and trying to disparage is
actually certified under the American National Standards Institute so you know if you
think that this program is so bad, then you may want to consult with the American
National Standards Institute to see what their oAppendix O)
opinion of this program is.
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Considfor the ANSI brand name, as indicated by using
erroneous claims to gain credibility, and considering CRevidence supporting
their standards , we
not fulfilled the requisites in ISO/IEC Guide 65, General requirements for bodies
operating product certification systems, First Edition 1996.
Specific examples of CRI failures to fulfill the criteria in Guide 65 and other relevant
guides and standards, include but are not limited to:
I. ISO/IEC Guide 65, 4.1.3, states that the criteria against which the productsare evaluated shall be those outlined in specified standards, suitable per
ISO/IEC Guide 7, which has been revised into ISO/IEC 17007-2009. CRI fails
to meet Guide 7 and 17007 criteria in numerous ways.
A. Guide 7, 4.4 and ISO/IEC 17007, 5.2.2 state that a standard should resultin accurate and uniform interpretations, and that parties using a standard
should be able to derive a common understanding of its meaning and
intent.
1. CRI has supplied no document that is labeledThand there is a list of
2. There are various web site pages marketing the program, eachwith different language that implies different meanings. If the
accurate and uniform interpretations are impossible. Some
examples of lack of clarity:
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a. Otwo categories
another page lists products that have passed
tests.
The categories are inconsistent and definitions unknown.
b. Meanwhile, in one place it is stated that carpet samples
Yet another page listsfourcarpet samples in the testing,but choicebetween them
for participating manufacturers. And still yet another
page lists three potential samples with a choice. Anyone
looking at this program as presented would not be able to
discern what was actually tested. Further, approved
products are not differentiated by what carpet they were
tested with and for what purpose. This makes any
performance rankings incomparable. ISO/IEC 17007 4.5
Principle 4 requires comparability.
3. The vacuum cleaner testing program incorporates the nameGreen Label. The carpet testing program also uses the name
Green Labelcarpettesting programs are within
the scope of current ANSI accreditation. The use of the
same name for both scopes is misleading and obscures the
meaning and intent.
4. (in the new testingprogram) requires a 10 percent improvement of soil removal
over the Green Label program and the standards are even higher
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This is fallacious and misleading.
The passing score for the new testing was simply raised four
percentage points; it does not mean that performance has
improved. Removing 40% of a tiny amount of soil of one soil
blend does not indicate or reflect a performance improvement
over removing 36% of a much larger amount of a different soil
blend. An analogy to indicate the statistical fallacy: spending
40% of a hundred dollars gets you less than spending 36% of a
thousanddollars. However, this analogy presumes, as CRI
implies, that the tests are correlated and comparable, which they
are not. Increasing the percentage required to pass one test
does not increase vacuum cleaner performance; there can be no Such CRI claims are
misleading and inaccurate, and this represents another example
of how Guide 7, 4.4, still needs to be followed.
B. Guide 7, 5.1, states that standards should be written in such a way as to notretard technological developments. The conformity assessment in
question here retards technological developments.
1. The texture-retention part of the testing (Appendix A) that wasdeemed necessary by CRI in order to make sure vacuums do not
damage loop pile carpet is performed on cutpile carpet. Not
only does this not make scientific sense, but it penalizes and
locks out technologies that make use of more powerful agitation
(i.e. brushing). For instance, a vacuum built for use on loop pile
carpet should not be tested on a cut pile, where it would fail this
deliberately limiting conformity assessment and be
marginalized in the marketplace unfairly and inappropriately.
a. The given CRI reasoning for this dichotomy is that the cutpile carpet
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texture from cleaning processes, as the loop pile would be
In other words,
items submitted for testing in one category would all pass
unless the test was specifically changed to fail a number
of them. This is unreasonable. If an efficacy test is
performed on loop pile carpet, the texture retention test
should also be performed on loop pile carpet.
b. This testing is especially unreasonable given the basequality of the carpet samples used. Despite a relatively
high market share due to its low price point, the former
CEO of Shaw Industries admits that this quality of carpetAppendix N)
To deliberately create a test for the purpose of showing
texture damage to a carpet sample by a cleaning process,
when that carpet sample would be damaged by walking
on it for a month anyway, amounts to shifting warranty
blame inappropriately. It also amounts to a commercial
interest in the certification process by voting
CRI members who have included the CRI SOA into their
warranties, which violates Guide 7, 4.2.m.
2. The CRI Seal of Approval has become a market requirement inseveral arenas, as it has been incorporated into warranties,
various pieces of legislation and national standards.
a. There is pressure on manufacturers of products toenretards technological
developments (especially in the commercial arena).
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b. One consequence of the continued use of this conformityassessment is the filtering out of equipment built for
specific carpet constructions.
C. Guide 7, 5.2, states that requirements should be clearly specified. They arenot; please seeIA, above andIIIA2, below.
D. Guide 7, 5.2 and 17007, 5.2.9 also state that conformance assessmentrequirements be free from subjective elements. They are not.
1. The evaluation of results from theStandard Laboratory TestPractice for Measurement of Surface Appearance Change ofTextile Floor Covering as a Result of the Vacuuming Process
(ibid.) is subjective.
a. Lab technicians judge the results by comparing testedcarpet samples to reference pictures.
b. This is subjective in itself, but in addition, the referencepictures used to judge the carpet samples against were
created via subjective opinion in the first place. It was
decided essentially howfuzzy a carpet could be before it
voided the warranty, and pictures were taken of that
point. These pictures were created from carpet
-off, a cost-control
Based upon current appearance retention
warranties a maximum level of appearance change
ibid.,
page 5)
2. After vacuuming, the yarns in a carpet sample used in the soilremoval test (Appendix B) must be returned to the positions
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they were in before they were vacuumed. This is because
measured amount, in (conjunction) with variation in carpet
fiber to detector distance is believed to be the largest source of
Appendix C)
a. Returning yarns back to their original positions istechnically impossible without exacting study.
b. Nevertheless, a technician brushes the yarns with a rakein order to attempt to return the yarns back to a
Appendix B, 6.8) Thereis no definition of what
there is no proscribed number of brush
strokes; there is no monitored pressure or speed. The
technician goes through inconsistent and subjective but
token motions in an attempt to do the impossible.
XRF peak intensity drops as the inverse square of the
distance from the fiber to the detector; hence, it is
important that the samples be brushed or combed before
they are scanned to maintain a constant position.I)t is
essential that pile orientation and its distance relative to
ibid., 12.2.8) Being so
essential, a non-subjective method should be employed
for correction.
3. In calibrating the equipment for the soil removal testing, one isdirected to raise the carpet sample up with shims until it
(ibid., A1.1.4)
. One is directed to accept the
detected in the sample, but if there are, one must incrementally
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lower the sample until the amount of backing elements is
thus creates
another point of subjectivity in the method.
Because this testing attempts to measure trace quantities,
amount of strontium found in the backing as is allowed in the
calibration would add to the strontium used in the test soil, thus
adding error to calculations and causing false positives.
E. Guide 7, 5.3 states that standards should be written in such a way thatvariants are clearly defined and indentified. CRI has failed to do this.
1. ronze, Silver, and Gold categories are described as basedon quantitative analysis. However, with all the issues involved
with the soil removal efficacy testing using XRF, these categories
are qualitative, misleading and unclear--until proper validation
and other method requirements have been proven. (Appendix
D)
2. Passing variants are listed one way on the CRI web site, but areconfusingly stated as tested in different ways elsewhere on their
site. Please refer toI.A.2.a and I.A.2.babove.
F. Guide 7, 6.1 states that test methods should be consistent with the purposeof the standard. At least one of the specified test methods for conformity
assessment,Standard Test Method for Evaluation of Solid Particulate
Removal Effectiveness Using X-Ray Fluorescence Techniques for
Evaluating Cleaning Effectiveness of Residential/Commercial and
Central Vacuum Cleaners (Appendix B), has not been shown to be
relevant to the purpose of the standard. It has not been shown to be
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correlated to real-world dirt removal, or to another laboratory test method
that has.
1. cleaning tests. There is no established correlation between field
and laboratory results. However it is reasonable to assume that
in most cases, a vacuum that performs well in the laboratory will
ibid., 5.4.)
a. It is not reasonable to assume a correlation.
b. Again, this test method is replete with issues that makevalidating and correlating paramount before any
assumptions should be allowed. Please refer toAppendix
D.
2. CRI has not provided any proper correlation or validationmaterials to show that their tests function as stated and that
they are relevant to real-world experience. This test method has
not been shown to be consistent with the purpose of the
standard, as required in 6.1.
3. Further, ISO/IEC 17007, 5.4.8, specifies that test methodsfollow metrological principles concerning validation,
measurement traceability, and estimation of measurement
uncertainty
test methods (AppendicesA, B, andE) do not. None of this
information exists or is available, despite private and public
requests, and despite a public CRI response to the contrary
(Appendix F). When validation is discussed, inappropriate,
incomplete and misleading studies are referred to. Robust
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validation, traceability, and uncertainty principles should be
followed as is required by 17025.
G. Guide 7, 6.1 also states that unambiguous, repeatable and reproducible results, so that the results of
1. Tests have not been shown to be accurate. Further, outsideexperts question that the test method (Appendix B) can be
accurate. (Please refer to the bibliography included inAppendix
D; additionally, currently anonymous peer reviewers of
Appendix D may be consulted, upon request and upon approvalby them.)
2. Test results are ambiguous. Treating an unproven qualitativemethod as a definitive and quantitative method creates
unwarranted trust in ambiguous product rankings and
certifications. (Please refer toAppendix Dfor the qualitative
versus quantitative nature of this test.)
3. Repeatable and reproducible results are not available. The fewother laboratories solicited have refused to get involved.
(Unanswered technical questions and cost have been given as
reasons for non-
Appendix B) Further, since no calculation methods are
provided in the test method protocol, a second laboratory would
be unable to follow the protocol even if they so chose.
4. If three samples are tested and averaged, with two of the threetests scoring high removal percentages and one scoring low,
there is no consideration that the one low score may be an
outlier. All results are averaged without thought to the data or a
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protocol in place to consider such errors. The low, outlying
score would bring down the average and thus create a false
ranking that makes the results incomparable.
H.ne
equipment as to ensure that comparable testing can be conducted by all
ISO/IEC 17007, 5.2.4 states that test methods should be
ted party may carry out the
Any interested party may not carry out the testing.
1. The CRI standard, which in the absence of any such nameddocument is taken to mean the various criteria and testing
protocols/methods, does not provide enough information to
for
example, are:
a. what calculations are performed by software
b. how results are derived from raw data
2. CRI publicly states that no one besides their contractor,Professional Testing Laboratory, has shown interest in doing the
testing. (Appendix F) This statement is untrue.
a. On one hand, CRI states that others are using thetechnology for testing. (Appendix I)
b. Yet others, such as Racine Industries, have expressedinterest but have been denied the ability to perform the
testing. (Appendix Q) CRI disallows certain parties from
performing the testing, with the justification that this
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discrimination is to ensure the credibility of the program
(Appendix I). This justification ensures and indicates the
failure of CRI to comply with Guide 7, 6.5 and ISO/IEC
17007, 5.2.4 to
conducted by all involved parties.
II. ISO/IEC Guide 65, 4.2.j requires CRI to employ personnel to have the
Guide 65, 5.5.1 similarly requires
competence in making required technical judgments and framing and
implementing policies. CRI has shown on several occasions that there is not
a sufficient level of expertise and they are unable to properly communicatetechnical details; highly important technical aspects of the testing are not
understood by CRI. CRI often shares incorrect technical information, with
both the public and CRI committee members, who vote on certification issues.
Some examples:
A. the design of the instrument that decreases the signal as the source is
moved farther from the instrument. Hence it is critical to present the
carpet fibers in the same position each time it is scanned. The carpet must
Appendix C) In other words, sample distance and
brushing are critical. However, when asked why a carpet sample needs to
be brushed during the testing, or when asked about concerns of sample
distance, is that carpet samples are groomed just like the
IICRC S100 standard. It is part of the cleaning process, and that
(Appendix J)
B. Press releases refer to the accuracy and precision of the efficacy test,alternately saying that the CRI testing can identify or quantify soil to a
precision or accuracy of four decimal places.
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1. CRI confuses the terms accuracy and precision and seeminglyuses them interchangeably. (Appendix K, 1 and 2)
2. CRI confuses the definitions of identification and quantification.(Appendix K, 3)
3. CRI uses aaccuracy numbers in theirmarketing and given technical information as their own.
(Appendix K, 4) They seem to assume that because a piece of
test equipment had a certain level of accuracy in identifying
elements in one kind of test method, that their related piece ofequipment will work how they wish an SOA test, and to the
same level of accuracy and precision.
4. Section 5.4.1 of ISO/IEC 17007 asks for what is acceptable interms of uncertainty of measurement, accuracy, reproducibility,
and repeatability. CRI has not been able to produce this
information. Despite the above precision and accuracy
references in 1, 2, and 3 above, no statements about precision
and accuracy may scientifically be made (Appendix B, page 8),
due to lack of information.
III. ISO/IEC Guide 65, Section 6, requires a certification body to give due notice
take account of views expressed by interested parties before deciding on the
met these requirements.
A. CRI does not procedurally give an opportunity for interested parties orconcerned stakeholders outside the CRI to comment on or to be informed
on certification requirement changes.
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1. CRI does not publish consideration of changes, and numerousstakeholders are ignorant of potentially business-changing
decisions happening behind closed doors. Stakeholders submit
no views on changes because they are unaware the topic is being
discussed; the opportunity to comment is not given. Please see
the blog atAppendix G, created by an industry professional and
stakeholder discussing being excluded from participation.
2. Seal of Approval test procedures are changed without notice tocustomers. Based on criteria posted on the CRI web site, Racine
Industries participated in an SOA conformance test; the
equipment submitted was expected to pass easily. However,
when we received our report (excerpt, Appendix S), we noted
that the original sample specification had beencrossed out and
replacedwith a handwritten new specification. The specified
carpet sample for testing was replaced with another, without
consulting us. The result being that the equipment was failed.
If we had been consulted, we would have refused the test and
would have avoided being invoiced for a test we did not order.
Following Guide 65, Sections 4 and 6 may have prevented this.
[It is unknown if equipment tested before this specification
change occurred has been retested so that it would be more
comparable to more current conformance assessments; if not,
there are further ISO/IEC 17007 4.5 issues.]
B. CRI also neglects to give due notice to committee members who vote onrelated matters. For example, meeting agendas are sometimes sent just
before a meeting and contain little if any detail to review(Appendix H).
Certification-related topics are frequently voted on quickly with no
a
sentence heard at many meetings.
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IV. ISO/IEC 17007, 5.2.11, requires the use of SI units for measurements. CRI isinconsistent in this regard. See test methods at AppendicesA, B, andE.
V. ISO/IEC Guide 65, 4.2.p requires a certifying body to have policies andprocedures in place for handling certification-related issues received from any
uality
and Procedure Manual in their Carpet and Rug Institute Quality Manual and
cites it as part of their Quality System (and likely has submitted this document
to ANSI for approval), CRI also states that there is no Policy and Procedure
Manual available. (Appendix L) Denying the existence of and thereforeaccess to a Policy and Procedures Manual prevents due process and violates
the purpose and intent of numerous requisites in Guide 65.
VI. ISO/IEC Guide 65, 7.2 requires that a certification body keep a record of allappeals, complaints and disputes and remedial actions relative to
certification, to take appropriate subsequent action, and to document the
action taken and its effectiveness. CRI denies, ignores or is otherwise unable
to provide evidence of serious questions regarding the testing program.
A. response to a question asking if a letter existed thatcontained serious technical questions regarding some of the SOA test
Appendix O)
B. A draft version ofA Discussion Regarding a Novel Method: the Use of X-Ray Fluorescence for Quantitative Analysis of Elements in Carpet
(Appendix D) was sent to CRI March 25, 2010. (Appendix P) There was
no response from CRI; that is, there was no response until the paper was
finalized and made public several months later. The response finally
elicited from CRI consisted of a dismissive press release, which included
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no offer of remedial action or other attempt to work with the testing
problems (see their non-substantive public response atAppendix F). As is
required in Guide 65, 7.2, has CRI documented the ignoring of the
Discussion paper until it was published, and does the record reflect how
they voted tonot respond furtherafter their press release and how
effective their response has been? These actions and inactions cannot be
VII. ISO/IEC Guide 65, 4.2m and 4.2n require that those involved be free fromcommercial, financial, and other influential pressures. Guide 65, 4.4 refers to
conflict of interest in subcontracting.
A. CRI owns a major piece of prohibitively expensive testing equipment thata CRI contractor uses to perform testing for CRI. CRI has a vested interest
in the use of this equipment, and thus cannot be considered independent
from its testing contractor.
B. This contractor is also a voting CRI committee member; this contractorcontrols the access and translation of (self-generated) technical data and
therefore has strong influence regarding committee voting on certification
program issues.
Conclusion
Participation in CRI programs or attending CRI meetings does not equal confidence in
the testingnumerous manufacturers feel forced to participate because of market and
legal pressures such as warranty requirements, legislation, and other standards and
procurement specifications that have agreed to incorporate a CRI approval as a
prerequisite. According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology,
voluntary consensus standards may be rendered mandatory when referenced in
regulations or procurement specifications, and may be rendered quasi-mandatory due
to conditions in the marketplace. (Appendix R) These qualifications apply here, and in
effect render the CRI SOA programs non-voluntary for manufacturers who desire to
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continue selling their products. These pressures keep stakeholders paying for testing
when they otherwise might not be, and keep stakeholders interested in seeing rigor in
the standards process: livelihoods are at stake. Interest, presence at meetings, and
program participation do not indicate that a stakeholder condones or endorses the
process or outcome, or is otherwise in consensus with CRI.
The outlined examples of issues above indicate that much work still needs to be
attempted and accomplished. However, CRI is not interested in pausing and doing the
scientific work required first; they have instead chosen to garner popular support rather
than factual data to further their program acceptance.
product ranking scheme into the
marketplace, with no successful method validation studies behind it, no passing peer
review by independent experts in the specialized lab technology utilized, and no public
due process used.
Instead they This question cannot be allowed to
sweep aside the ISO/IEC compliance requirements for technical rigor, openness,
consensus and other process safeguards that ANSI stands for.
Sincerely,
Deborah Lema
Research and Education
Racine Industries, Inc.
Cc:
Reinaldo Figueiredo, Senior Program Director, Product Certification Accreditation at ANSI
Nikki Jackson, Program Manager, Product Certification Accreditation at ANSI
Shahin Moinian, Chair, ANSI Accreditation Committee for Product Certifiers
Ken McIntosh, Senior Technical Director at CRI
Pat Jennings, Technical Manager and Seal of Approval Coordinator at CRI
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APPENDICES
Note: ISO/IEC Guide 65, General requirements for bodies operating product
certification systems, as well as related and incorporated guides and standards referred
to above and more, are available at www.ansi.org.
Appendix A
CRI TM 114:Standard Laboratory Test Practice (f)or Measurement (o)f Surface
Appearance Change (o)f Textile Floor Covering (a)s (a) Result (o)f (t)he Vacuuming
Process.
http://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_114.pdf
Also perhaps of interest,Assessment of Carpet Appearance Change using the CRI
Reference Scales: http://www.carpet-
rug.org/technical_bulletins/0307_CRI_TM_101.pdf
Appendix B
CRI TM 112: Standard Test Method for Evaluation of Solid Particulate Removal
Effectiveness Using X-Ray Fluorescence Techniques for Evaluating Cleaning
Effectiveness of Residential/Commercial and Central Vacuum Cleaners.
http://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_112.pdf
http://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_114.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_114.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/0307_CRI_TM_101.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/0307_CRI_TM_101.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/0307_CRI_TM_101.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_112.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_112.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_112.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/0307_CRI_TM_101.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/0307_CRI_TM_101.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_114.pdf -
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Appendix C
Asbury, G, and Shannon, RF, Quantification of (f)oreign (c)ontaminant from flooring
surface through XRF (t)echnology. Attached separately.
Relevant excerpt:
decre(a)ses the signal as the source is moved farther from the instrument. Hence it is
critical to present the carpet fibers in the same pos(i)tion each time it is scanned. The
Page 6,
Discussion of Errors)
Appendix D
Lema, D,A Discussion Regarding a Novel Method: The Use of X-Ray Fluorescence for
Quantitative Analysis of Elements in Carpet.
Attached separately; also available here: http://www.hostdry.com/whitepaper.pdf.
Appendix E
CRI TM 115:Standard Laboratory Test Practice (f)or Determining the Power Use
Effectiveness of Residential and Commercial Vacuum Cleaners.
http://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_115.pdf
CRI TM 113:Standard Laboratory Practice (f)or Quantifying Respirable Particulate
Emissions Generated by Residential/Commercial Vacuums and Central Vacuum
Systems.
http://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_113.pdf
http://www.hostdry.com/whitepaper.pdfhttp://www.hostdry.com/whitepaper.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_115.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_115.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_113.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_113.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_113.pdfhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/technical_bulletins/1003_Test_Method_115.pdfhttp://www.hostdry.com/whitepaper.pdf -
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Appendix F
"There is nothing [in the document] that has not been addressed either before or since
the SOA program was introduced at NASA's John F. Kennedy Space Center in the Fall of
2004(*)," Braun said. "It is disappointing to see questions listed as unanswered when
we have, in fact, answered Racine Industries on multiple occasions in writing."
http://www.scrt.org/news/73-cri-defends-validity-of-seal-of-approval-testing
in the above press release
include:
1. Having been asked for method validation studies, CRI replies that one has beendone but is in the peer review process (and is therefore unavailable). That is the
same response we have heard for years:
-----Original Message-----
From:[email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:17 PM
To: Debbie Lema
Subject: Re: Encapsulation Study
The copyright is held by CIRI; don't know the status of publication
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 8:21 PM
To: Debbie Lema
Subject: Re: Shaw and CIRI Encapsulation Study- Paper.
Debbie Lema, Host/Racine Industries:
D:- are you referring to the separate paper Carey M presented at UNLV in 2007? If so,
pls. provide the full title from PowPt as the actual reference, clarity.
Note however that the detailed, full text CIRI 2007 papers have not [yet] been published
or made available. We have been looking for an approp. peer reviewed research journal
capable of reviewing and publishing the lengthy 2007 papers, as such.
I have finally made progress this year toward that goal...
In any event I do not have them; assume that Jim Harris Sr, CIRI HQ and/or the CIRI
conf. proceedings reviewers do so. It's Jim Harris' to reply and determine their public
sale; [we can discuss access and their distribution].
Did receive "Fritz@CRI" PowPt and DVDs for post-election read.
Steve Spivak.
[No further response from Jim Harris.]
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2. CRI provides pictures of some of the designer soils used in the testing andcollected dirt as evidence of validation. However, these pictures contain little
useful information (e.g. numerical data comparing micron size) and have no
relevance to a measurement method validation.
3. CRI has recently provided some pages of undefined and untraceable numbers asevidence of correlations between tests. These numbers are useless in this offered
form, but moreover appear to indicate a lack of correlation.
*Correction: the program introduction at the Kennedy Space Center happened in 2005.
Appendix G
http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/
A sample quote, illustrating the exclusion of a main stakeholder type by CRI:
and residential professional cleaners. Cleaners complaints and criticisms were being
brushed aside,articlesby authorities in our industry completely ignored, and even
officially filed complaints
Appendix H
1. An example of a one-day notice of meeting agenda, amounting to aboutfour or five
business hours for preparation, accompanied by review material for only two of ten
65:
http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/scientists-vs-cleaners/http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/scientists-vs-cleaners/http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/scientists-vs-cleaners/http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/nasa-logo-no-questions-allowed/http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/nasa-logo-no-questions-allowed/http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/scientists-vs-cleaners/http://realdirtoncri.wordpress.com/ -
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From: Ken McIntosh [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday,August 24, 2010 4:12 PM
To: (Relevant Committee, addresses deleted)
Cc: (Addresses deleted)
Subject: C&M IMT Meeting 8-25-10
Agenda and review material for the subject meeting.
If you have additional agenda items, please let me know ASAP.
Ken McIntosh
To sign up for CRI's newsletter, subscribe on our website at: www.carpet-
rug.org/newsroom.cfm#subscribe
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This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the
use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-
mail in error please notify the originator of the message. Any views expressed in this
message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifies and withauthority, states them to be the views of The Carpet and Rug Institute.
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2. Below is an email example of how certification requirement changes may be
completed at CRI. The email gives committee members less than one business day to
committee chairman.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken McIntosh"
To: (Relevant Committee, addresses deleted)
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:32 PM
http://www.carpet-rug.org/newsroom.cfm#subscribehttp://www.carpet-rug.org/newsroom.cfm#subscribehttp://www.carpet-rug.org/newsroom.cfm#subscribehttp://www.criblog.org/http://www.criblog.org/http://www.criblog.org/http://www.criblog.org/http://www.carpet-rug.org/newsroom.cfm#subscribehttp://www.carpet-rug.org/newsroom.cfm#subscribe -
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Subject: SOA-GL Vacuum Cleaner Testing and Certification Program
To: C&M IMT Members
The following issue was presented to Carey Mitchell, Chair of the C&M IMT, regarding
how to address the issue and move forward with testing vacuum cleaner machines under
the SOA-GL Vacuum Cleaner Testing and Certification
Program:
"The XRF soil composition contains Zinc Oxide which is an extremely
sticky material that vacuum cleaners are not designed to remove from
carpet. The rationale for using Zinc Oxide in the XRF composition atthe start of the SOA cleaning program was based on chemical and
extractor cleaning and not vacuum cleaner testing which are designed
to remove dry particulates."
Carey Mitchell suggested and approved using the XRF soil composition in testing
vacuum cleaners but to determine the soil removal percentage without inclusion of the
ZnO component. Real world soil does contain some sticky component which affects dry
soil removal; so this is a reasonable approach.
We need a decision quickly to allow time to get together data for the ISSA show in
Orlando in less than 2 weeks. We can tweak the amount of the ZnO component at a later
date if it appears that it adversely skews the pass/fail criteria.
As per Carey Mitchell's request, please call me at 706-428-2105 by noon Monday, Oct 15
if you desire to discuss the recommendation. As indicted, time is critical to have vacuum
cleaner test data to discuses at the ISSA show.
Thanks,
Kmc
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use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the originator of the message. Any
views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the
sender specifies and with authority, states them to be the views of The Carpet and Rug
Institute.
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Appendix I
The following excerpts are from one CRI lobbying effort to have their programs written
in as legislative requirements:
be and arecurrently being performed by other private labs, including several vacuum cleaners
Page 4)
certification purposes; however, the program-party testing
https://greencleaning.ny.gov/Docs/NewCleaningTechnology.rtf
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Appendix J
Below are examples of CRI statements and answers that show the lack of necessary
technical expertise or desire to communicate the information that members, other
stakeholders, and the public need to make business decisions and/or provide input,
perform, or vote on certification matters.
1. Question : Why does the carpet sample being tested need to be brushed so that the
readings are more accurate if the readings detect all the soil through the fibers?
CRI Answer: The carpet is groomed just like the IICRC S100 standard. It is part of the
cleaning process.
president Werner Braun, available atwww.mikeysboard.com)
[The correct answer would have been that
the design of the instrument that decreases the signal as the source is moved farther
from the instrument. Hence it is critical to present the carpet fibers in the same position
(Appendix C)]
2. Question: Because questions of fairness to differing equipment and methods havearisen, why does not CRI publish at least the basics of their test protocol(s)?
CRI Answer: Primarily because it is based on years of research and data that is not
easily digested.
available atwww.mikeysboard.com)
[CRI also stated in the same interview
However, those contacting the lab for detailed protocols have been told there is no
written protocol available from them. (Reference below atAppendix K.)]
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3. Question: Why are there no water-soluble soils included in the test, when water is
used to suspend soils?
CRI Answer: Initially, research was done on a variety of soiling compounds and a
water soluble one was included. What we found during the early research was that it
was removed essentially by everything and did not offer us any manner to
differentiate in the testing, so it was replaced.
CRI president Werner Braun, available atwww.mikeysboard.com)
[The correct answer would not have been that it was removed essentially by everything,
but thatWe beli-soluble
components washed out, however it could be argued that table salt (NaCl) would be acommon particle found in carpets. Chemically Potassium Bromide, (KBr) is similar to
At most, only 62% of KBr was removed in trials. The KBr percent removedafter chemical extraction is two percent less than after it was vacuumed. This of course
cannot be, and is likely due to a wicking of the KBr to the fiber tips. This wicking
problem is why in future testing KBr is not used.(Appendix C)]
4.
to a carpet sample, clean the sample with a vacuum or extractor and quantify the precise
(CRI Press
Release)
[Quantification and precision are in question in this test. Marketing the test as accurate
As stated previously, no statement
about precision may be made (Appendix B), and XRF experts question that the test is
quantitative rather than qualitative (Appendix D)
comes from a different test methodnot used in the SOA program (CRI Press Release).
http://www.mikeysboard.com/http://www.mikeysboard.com/http://www.mikeysboard.com/http://floorcoveringweekly.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=E8BB079C64B042958E6764D7B3CE8058&nm=Archives&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=EA9CBC428D544BC9B76CD17CF9A3E0F4http://floorcoveringweekly.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=E8BB079C64B042958E6764D7B3CE8058&nm=Archives&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=EA9CBC428D544BC9B76CD17CF9A3E0F4http://floorcoveringweekly.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=E8BB079C64B042958E6764D7B3CE8058&nm=Archives&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=EA9CBC428D544BC9B76CD17CF9A3E0F4http://floorcoveringweekly.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=E8BB079C64B042958E6764D7B3CE8058&nm=Archives&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=EA9CBC428D544BC9B76CD17CF9A3E0F4http://www.carpet-rug.org/news-room/press-releases/050912_SOA_XRF_launch.cfmhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/news-room/press-releases/050912_SOA_XRF_launch.cfmhttp://www.carpet-rug.org/news-room/press-releases/050912_SOA_XRF_launch.cfmhttp://floorcoveringweekly.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=E8BB079C64B042958E6764D7B3CE8058&nm=Archives&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=EA9CBC428D544BC9B76CD17CF9A3E0F4http://floorcoveringweekly.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=E8BB079C64B042958E6764D7B3CE8058&nm=Archives&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=EA9CBC428D544BC9B76CD17CF9A3E0F4http://www.mikeysboard.com/ -
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Appendix K
From: lisa smith [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 1:58 PM
To: Debbie Lema
Subject: Re: CRI
Hi Debbie,
I called and talked to Lloyd Cooper at the lab. He said there is no WRITTEN protocol
available, that you would have to get that from CRI. He also said quite a bit more that
was interesting. Too much to type for me, so give me a call @ (number deleted) and I'llfill you in. You can call in the evening too, it's a home office.
Take care,
Lisa
Appendix L
From: Deborah Lema [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:05 AM
To: Ken McIntosh
Subject: Polcies/procedures
Hi Ken,
Will you please send me the CRI policies/procedures?
Thanks,
Debbie
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From: Ken McIntosh [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:30 AM
Cc: Louise Dobbs
Subject: Fw: Polcies/procedures
Debbie:
Please note that your request is being referred to Louise. She is the expert and keeper of
this information.
Km c
From: Deborah Lema [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:48 PM
To: Louise Dobbs
Subject: RE: Polcies/procedures
Thanks in advance, Louise!
From: Louise Dobbs [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:50 AM
To: Deborah Lema
Cc: Ken McIntosh; Werner Braun
Subject: RE: Polcies/procedures
The requested document is attached.
From: Deborah Lema [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:14 AM
To: Louise Dobbs
Subject: RE: Polcies/procedures
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Thanks Louise!
It looks like the procedures are separate, in the by-laws? May I have those too please?
Thanks some more,
Debbie
From: Louise Dobbs [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM
To: Deborah Lema
Subject: RE: Polcies/procedures
Requested document attached.
From: Deborah Lema [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:31 PM
To: Louise Dobbs
Subject: RE: Polcies/procedures
May I please have the CRI quality manual as well?
The documents keep referring elsewhere; sorry!
Debbie
From: Louise Dobbs [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:16 AM
To: Deborah Lema
Subject: RE: Polcies/procedures
Requested document attached.
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From: Deborah Lema [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:12 AM
To: Louise Dobbs
Subject: RE: Policies/procedures
Louise,
I asked for the CRI policies and procedures,
but got policy. The policy referred to procedures in the bylaws, which in turn referred to
procedures in the quality manual, which in turn refers to a document called the Policy
and Procedures Manual, which sounds like what I wanted before? Will you please send
me that one?
Thanks again,
Debbie
From: Louise Dobbs [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:18 AM
To: Deborah Lema
Cc: Werner Braun
Subject: RE: Policies/procedures
The CRI Bylaws, CRI Policies, and CRI Quality Manual are what we have.
sure what else we can provide.
Appendix M
Rather than properly answering technical issues regarding an SOA conformity
assessment test method, CRI press releaseand
the CRI Cleaning and Maintenance Issues Management Team voted to not respond
further:
http://www.cleanfax.com/newsprint.asp?print=1&mode=4&N_ID=75275http://www.cleanfax.com/newsprint.asp?print=1&mode=4&N_ID=75275http://www.cleanfax.com/newsprint.asp?print=1&mode=4&N_ID=75275http://www.cleanfax.com/newsprint.asp?print=1&mode=4&N_ID=75275 -
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Item 9, MINUTES, Cleaning and Maintenance Issues Management Team, Meeting of
July 15, 2010:
C & M IMT Response to Host Press Release and Close the Issues of
Responses toHost Press Release Ken McIntosh The C&M IMT draft Response
[immediately below in italics] to the Host Press Release was presented for review and
discussion. Motion made and seconded to accept. Vote taken 12 Ayes, 1 Nay. Ken
McIntosh made a recommendation that based on the number of responses made public
relative to the HOST Press Release that carpet related industry groups cease and desist
from issuing any additional responses. A motion was made and seconded for the carpet
related industry to consider not issuing any additional responses to this particular HostPress Release. Vote taken 13 Ayes, 3 Abstentions.
New 7-7-10 Proposed Draft
Draft response from CRI Cleaning and Maintenance Issues Management Team
The CRI Seal of Approval program was developed over several years in what was then
viewed as a very slow, methodical process. At several significant stages, input was
sought from external scientists to ensure that our direction was valid. Input was
received numerous times from Dr. Michael Berry, retired US EPA scientist and
research professor, Dr. Alan Hedge of Cornell University, and Dr. Barry Ryan of the
Emory University School of Medicine. [Note: None of whom are XRF experts.]
It is interesting to note that during the development of the SOA program, Racine
Industries personnel were members of the committee and were routinely involved in
the discussions, the approval process, and the votes. No concerns, like those raised in
the new white paper by Racine Industries, surfaced during the process. [Note: this
statement is misleading and incorrect. CRI apparently has kept no records of concerns.]
Discussion Regarding a Novel Method: The
Use of X-
previously raised and answered issues and several new twists. At the request of the
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100603005465/en/White-Paper-Racine-Industries-Questions-Validity-Carpethttp://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100603005465/en/White-Paper-Racine-Industries-Questions-Validity-Carpethttp://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100603005465/en/White-Paper-Racine-Industries-Questions-Validity-Carpethttp://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100603005465/en/White-Paper-Racine-Industries-Questions-Validity-Carpet -
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Racine CEO, Fritz Rench, in 2009, the C&M IMT listened to a presentation on his
perceived problems with the XRF test method. [Note: presentation was in 2008.] The
issues he raised were found at the time to be due to misinterpretations and a general
lack of understanding. Each of his issues was addressed in the meeting and later in
writing. [Note: some of his issues were indeed addressed, and addressed poorly,
incompletely, or dismissively. This document is available for viewing if desired by
ANSI; it is largely without technical relevance.] For instance, the claim that the test
protocol was not available to Racine is preposterous, because, as the protocol was
developed and adapted over the years, it was routinely distributed to the entire group,
which included Racine personnel.[Note: CRI has been repeatedly confused by the term
Please refer toAppendix J.2andAppendix K, showing the lack of availability of aprotocol to review.] The collective judgment of this committee is that the Racine white
paper appears primarily to be a reflection of dissatisfaction with a concept that does
not favor a particular product.
It is also instructive to note that the update of the Institute of Inspections, Cleaning,
and Restoration Certification (IICRC) S-100 Cleaning Standard is currently stalled due
to an appeal by Racine Industries. Since this is an ANSI standard,[Note: draft
standard] the process is clearly defined and the rules for achieving consensus are quitestringent. Racine Industries personnel served on the IICRC committee throughout the
process, and apparently no issues were raised. [Note: Untrue, but also irrelevant.]
Now, the IICRC has been presented with a 100 page appeal questioning the standard
similar to the situation with CRI's SOA program. This pattern suggests a company
with some personnel that are not working for the betterment of the carpet industry
when given the opportunity to fully participate but to discredit the hard work of other
industry members after the fact while offering no better alternatives. [Note: Rather
than answer with substance, CRI attempts to discredit legitimate requests for
information, transparency and scientific diligence.]
The focus in recent years on the indoor environment has brought attention to the value
of identifying cleaning methods and systems capable of maintaining carpets relative to
high quality indoor environments. While
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always available for improvement, they are fair they reasonably replicate real
world performance. [Note: how?] These programs utilize the best knowledge in the
industry today. The C&M IMT members are confident that the various CRI Seal of
Approval programs have contributed significantly to measurable improvements in
cleaning equipment, cleaning agents, and systems and have advanced the science of
cleaning. [Note: how?]
Appendix N
No less a carpet man than Bob Shaw once stated iMy 28-
ounce Stainmaster carpet is guaranteed to walk out in four weeks.
industry jargon for losing texture appearance via foot traffic or, more simply, getting
frizzy from walking on it.]
http://www.fcnews.net/index.php/2010/06/salesmanship-the-lost-carpet-fiber/
Appendix O
http://www.talkfloor.com/TalkFloorTVSegments.aspx?psGroupID=253
Appendix P
From: Fritz Rench
Subject: Fw:
To: "ken" , "Lee Phillips"
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 11:38 PM
Ken, Lee...
http://www.fcnews.net/index.php/2010/06/salesmanship-the-lost-carpet-fiber/http://www.fcnews.net/index.php/2010/06/salesmanship-the-lost-carpet-fiber/http://www.talkfloor.com/TalkFloorTVSegments.aspx?psGroupID=253http://www.talkfloor.com/TalkFloorTVSegments.aspx?psGroupID=253mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]:[email protected]://www.talkfloor.com/TalkFloorTVSegments.aspx?psGroupID=253http://www.fcnews.net/index.php/2010/06/salesmanship-the-lost-carpet-fiber/ -
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ou are first class gentlemen. It's in that spirit I'm sharing
Debbie Lema's Draft Discussion re SOA testing of cleaning systems
ala XRF et al. She started it a couple of years ago. Then I stopped it,
only to ask her to re-start recently. She finished last week.
This material is not what was shared at the IMT session, Oct ' 08.
As noted then, I don't know anything about XRF technology.
My expertise is carpet performance relative to traffic and soil,
and some of the strategies and tactics re what to do about it.
A handful of people have received copies since Monday,
requesting their comments. The PR-strategy-survival worldis going to scream when they find out this draft has been sent
to you. But I just can't operate any other way.
For us this issue is about survival, not about personalities or agendas.
Best regards,
f
Appendix Q
The following series of emails contradicts the repeated CRI position that no one besides
their contractor, Professional Testing Laboratories, has indicated an interest in pursuing
the acquisition of XRF technology.
After KeyMaster copied CRI in on these emails indicating our interest in the XRF
equipment, subsequent repeated calls to KeyMaster (now Bruker) went unreturned.
The XRF equipment specified by CRI is not available to everyone.
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----- Original Message -----
From:Deborah R. Lema
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: XRF Research
Hi Lloyd,
Per your request this afternoon, I am emailing to give you my email
address so that you may respond with quotes for us. Thanks in advance
for putting that together.
Regarding the NASA habitat research, I've been pondering a bit and think
our product-- at least our method-- would be a brilliant solution for
surface cleaning in such situations. How can I help you in the research
of this idea, with or without XRF? As I said on the phone, we like to
share information here, so please count us as a resource.
I will serve as your contact at this juncture, and here is my info:
Deborah R. Lema
Research and Education Associate
Racine Industries, Inc.
800-558-9439
262-637-4491
FAX 262-637-0505
1405 16th Street
PO Box 1648
Racine, WI 53401
http://www.hostcarpetcleaning.com
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Thanks again, Lloyd.
~Debbie
-------- Original Message --------
Subject:Re: XRF Research
Date:Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:24:27 -0400
From:Lloyd Starks
To:Deborah R. Lema
References:
Thanks Debbie!
Lloyd
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fw: XRF research:
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:03:36 -0400
From: Lloyd Starks
To: dlema
Debbie,
Let me know if you receive this!
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Lloyd Starks
*To:*[email protected]
*Cc:* kmcintosh ; John Landefeld
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*Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:24 PM
*Subject:* XRF research:
Debra,
Thanks for your interest in KeyMaster Technologies and our XRF technology and
instrumentation.
I think there are a several options available:
1. Create your own in house methods for evaluating your cleaning technology.
2. Work through the CRI for permission to apply current SOA XRF protocols.
3. Purchase instruments for your own in house use.
If you choose to develop your own protocols it would probably be more productive to
enter into a R&D agreement with KeyMaster Technologies to assist in your efforts. The
R&D agreement would include an XRF instrument for the term of the contract. At the
end of the contract you would have the option to return or purchase the instrument.
The R&D agreement is for 3 months for a fee of $30,000.00 which includes safety,
instrument training and a standard TRACER III instrument renewable on a month to
month basis. If it is determined that you will need a TRACER III V, (the NASA
instrument), the fee would be somewhat higher. Technical assistance is also included
and detailed in the agreement.
If you would like to work through the CRI you may be able to apply the protocol of the
CRI XRF SOA program. You would need to speak with Ken MacIntosh for details as a
consideration for Professional Testings Labs might be involved.
If you would like to purchase an instrument for in house use, we certainly welcome the
opportunity to quote your requirements.
Budget consideration:
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KTI TRACER III XRF instrument $35,000.00
KTI TRACER III V XRF instrument $45,000.00
Debra, I look forward to working with you to address your needs.
Regards
Lloyd Starks
KeyMaster Technologies, Inc
www.keymastertech.com
(706) 270 0841
-------- Original Message --------
Subject:RE: XRF research:
Date:Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:35:23 -0400
From:Ken McIntosh
To:Lloyd Starks,
CC:John Landefeld , Werner Braun
, Joan Seelaus
Lloyd,
I believe you have composed several viable and interesting options for Host to consider.
CRI will be glad to offer suggestions and be available at any time to move the XRF
testing technology forward in the carpet related industries.
Kmc
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Appendix R
A Guide to Documentary
Standards:
http://gsi.nist.gov/global/docs/USGuide_DocStds_2001.pdf, page 17.
"Non-consensus standards," "Industry standards," "Company standards," or "de facto
standards," which are developed in the private sector but not in the full consensus
process:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars_a119/#3 .
Appendix S
http://gsi.nist.gov/global/docs/USGuide_DocStds_2001.pdfhttp://gsi.nist.gov/global/docs/USGuide_DocStds_2001.pdfhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars_a119/#3http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars_a119/#3http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/circulars_a119/#3http://gsi.nist.gov/global/docs/USGuide_DocStds_2001.pdf