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COL ilOGSL* 1V.J.--3 '.>s >•..;'•.:• v.U.' c .'- to * vi-..v. Let th« reeo'i J reflect that t-

p&rsi. 4M -.'-,:• •.-•::.. pr«ji$-it fit '•• •- Ki • • • aro ci i:rentt>* in the hoaxing

rc< i*i.

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totxs :»r;j«niwrtti<: T

Wo lack Ana; pit&'L*

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f a r t :- "-'•:•• •

. ai ; JC* force*?

An •>•.

Would yot* &tate J •-• ui . ple&ne, your profcasioaal training tsnA background.?

/ : X races -• u Be be l o t of Attn <3ogrs»« in chosniatry ;'t tUe University u j

Worth Carolina! . ' •'••• ?.:•• \ the Vnlveraifcy of Berth Carolina. X o^ent

12 noatbs in p'T.tV 0I033 ir.t«5rw;Mp5 three [souths d»n pathology residency; '

tiSii I'vt -.••••' ;'•.' 13 pathology in the Amy since 10 October '69.

Q: Were ero yon lie..:;- ';•' Co practica t«adieinoT

A: I hava a li • •• •: in the fctste o£ Kwrth Carolina.

CT1 G0>1?«S: i'..-\ I :•• lafensa c?re to exR&?.«e the v';.-. . /V :

KR EISl .•"'• X have uo qurjationi of the pocv.or's qua l i f i ca t ions .

CIT COl'EKS: X ©£2 v f •: doctor an cs r::».exfc la the f ie ld o£ pathology.

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Q; • Captain, •' ' ;.••. :;. •;. sa ouc.i3iov ov, iVn XV'..Vi of Vc t.i.-.n-.- to condu

on ?••:;:•'•; « ;• na '_'-•: body t*Z ! iy Haciitsnald?

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(.: .• 1! I | • - >'. •. •-' • "•'• •••••. projected.)

This . ' . : ' : : t r ight i : I of bor ly 's face and It

i i i, Mieally bra types of iesi« v. ; the upper wost lesion ia local

la tha . . . ' : • " . ' •-. • •": ewd the r&ght ear am . a ••.:' I :i] >le i •

and bruicao of i ia c1 Ln. Il«i*» typo lesion i s noot life* Ly caused

blunt '->.'-;. d «*>p to h v. i- .•) applied in at laast two t i res to

• -•••••. '.' • .• ;•'.-.••„• j• ij< • proup ,.:' lesions is locat&d on the ri

clda of tha neclv oat <•• . • li :• < ! . •.-..'.• Lpla ii s is ional a '• i ds Wi

penetrated into tha n " ."• $ •"•.• i .-''• ! fc wii '. . 1 icee • I

to ten in rtu ' . •. So ••.• of then overlap PC that a definite nurJ>er c-.-.-•,•. t

ba «• -:.;.: .J to the

).£ I >ift/, the elide ilt wc I J- ' to < i to

Government Exhibit 33, 11 t .'.'•'•• • : : .'• is now or> f.;>? - .-•• • • > • •; •; c I .

to Gcr •• • it .: c • •' . froci ad, do

J" • !••::'. : ' . : >: , / inJ.1 ..',••' •'•• i tbe ocalj i Lected back and above

fcba top fend s ':•'••' side oJ .'• i skul l . Khnt i s :'•.' ided to show i s a

sre fraeti :< cJ the eUull whic' t ••.;>...In throughout almost the entire

j ' •.' h i ' .' • right eido of tha skul l , 'J lie frc.cture cort .-•; ••-.'•. •.

othov fr«i i >ted ia tlic !.:,••: of tltP R'CUJI vhicb v/ara miltipl '> v;

i-.v'i\-rr, Tblo ia j»wt one of the warty fractures rf t;;lu Bkoll. '». •

third slid. • : ich BIJOVC the l e f t nid© cf Kioborly's f«ce, a cl< s up

projeatioo OJ' tlie orisinal black ij--'' white ;. ph that ?/:.-: o!

oric ioal ly , what J- *•:-• • ' \ to GIIOW here -

b'ell, T an go:'.ng t» object C:- t 'a r= boinj; not the rr i on the exhibit ,

Doctor, coiilO you ;'.r;t •.''.'..; i iatil '.c have a ruling on '.-;.'-'., I!-.-, ore no»c

i" ' g shown i-. :;1;..'.(.\ which iu not t'.-:' same - doss not pis b ey the uai'io

thi»g ao t ie «»l».ib3.t« Xhls i s aa eii.1f*rsad vict;, T py.-.:.• ?

Yen.

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l ib i t 3v? Of tha h: a ' an s? '

Yoa, i t i .

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J.t la nos the e n t i r a photograph which K• : --a up ''<• •• . : .- 11 35,

I t i s &n eclasr^K ••" the l e f t i Ma of the fact, frcci ( .•

.- ;.;>. i e. i •. ' • t h e slid.* aw Llablt • •-• ua t of the rc-cord

* l e l l as Gov • .-... .! t Dihibil 35.

Jlw phoi-• {v. ;'• •''•'• -.. he been : •' ! 1M evidence •• ould be thi> host:

ovid* re.

Z j •• . - . , there J. • i:'> photograph oiP thi« e l ide?

2 don't :•:•-.•••- o.*»a» a i r . Wot of •:...' '.r; s l i d e . 1: ':• or ig ina l picJ . • v< ..-.

'.;.;"•- £r«a> a nesfttive, and BO vaa t it le slid?1 made fcrorj n no; ativrj.

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Can you describe, without the usr. of this elide In ualng this Co..'-.:. at

: tb l t the ;/,•:;:!.., that VOU V±0> tO Kolwt

YON .

Al l r i g h t , thee we'13 - your objeaticij it) eustainfrd, Let ' s remove

;-. a t :- :! ' J '•-..•.•••• the ocrceo .

I was Rot ovara thnc th l9 *ras the case with th ia part iculnr photograph.

Wo wi l l have the concsol pronent at t"'• :<•.•••>. •':.'•,•-_•:•:i'.rW:* of iM'-r'a t & l l t

whi lo via vlfiw GOV? nivjcnt Inhibit 35 at c l o ser range, and could you pie ise

torn It around this v...- ao i can eve i t .

Xhifl intends to show vrhat I fersl la the third i ajor typ« I.esica *v.i fcained

to the head. This Sa an unvar.hed nhoto*re;-»*-;-'d. TiT.J.'r.: ;:'"•. only one I

':.;.•;'• . Iho tcpaoii I ara Interested In th la area, t h i s black area t.'hich in

represented by « ahnrp cut l a t h i s area, through vhich bono p r o t r u d e d .

Doctor, i f I i •.-_- . top you. To;.: are raferr ins nov, for tha racuri', t:o the

l e f t cheek area. Is that corract?

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Jt could be r«r> tc ) v-f • •• th< •occlpi t i i l rcj loo?

Oc»*.lpit93 (/onlrl be tha po'i t trlox*. Tl : rottld !••! o r M t o l . And chia lo

•. •• t .' : '-.• tbi ski iJL by i u l t ip3 - Cr."xi .--:. : In t h i s arei • :,.'•

b- ' Lng r.1" the br ' . d i raf . t Jy ! hio<: kh l s . And ;. .'" ••;•.•. : - m :

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removed, t u t opou p a l p a t i o n i arouza f r ac tu res were cl frow

the bx r •'•;-. •:r the now iu.C t a l l y , end of thifl c' '. I m a .

toy , wh; . . • ' . ' . . • . . ' • . ' . • ? ty :. > r>?

: >low the o; a,

I tl'ilQk i t WOUld 1.6 ; : • ; - - , • • : : • " tO f;CC O pftn and cil 'Cla t h a t J '• " Kid

: -.• i . doctor ••':••• . • ; ; da te thin > wo t r i l l '.-.-.-.• the s p e c i f i c a rea

v tforred t o , I f yea w i l l rslca-.a mark the • - .. • uer 1 e.r< o yon

a re :r '--••'- , t o . I filtio s»i< I f you would, p l e a s e , in t::-:i.r; space have,

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I?: t h e r e anything e loo LV-.'.: you \ Lol t o r e l a t e uair.j ""'.r • s p e c i f i c

photograph?

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/ i l l r i g h t ,

(A13 p a r t i e s returne?"! to v ' . - ' ' •<•••'•'> :-..'>

i.- « t l o n o by Ci'T S0MEBS:

\fc..iltl ; o a t o l l v-r, doc to r , t" •:•:..'••'..••.:•! of tbos<i i n j u r i e s upon Kiusborly

••-•• •-. ild?

What X coca Id •:-.•' ." t o ho the rcajor wound was t h e vou id t o the r i g h t which

a ide of the head/caused the fsractvvoa of v> - . -Lul l , cavned e x t e n s i v e

b r u i s i n g o£ the b r a i n in t h i s ti>:cav and CF.S of ouch a e v e r l t j t o cau«w?

coca find pos s ib ly death s h o r t l y t h e r e a f t e r . The a t ah wounds t o t h e

nech vera sua ta iuod before dea th , but were pot thought t o '••• a

s i g n i f i c a n t fac to £ in her d e a t h , as opposed t o t h e wc t o the r i g h t

".'•• of her heed. The wound t o t h e l ^ f t cheek a rea waa a •.•.•'\ov wound

hut in i t s e l f van c o t cuff i i >nt to have caused d e a t h .

Doctor , did you typo Kiwberly 'B blood?

Yea, the Ir.b tftchrtftciart t/p«id >' •;.

Wa« t h a t under yoyv d i r c e r i

I :•,: our <' ..'.•. '•' : U.n, v''-: •.

f ;: what ! •.••' . f. blc ••••' did •: •' - s .' • ". • •.• 2

• -wen AB pc-aifc*" .

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Doctor, did you E*V*." sn opluion an to whether the trauwa froa ••• to :

head or tl • . - . - . ' J f l i r t .• :' ;; >tl

I t la lay cpJnj i . iat the ur- uaa to the hna«l, I • •' .- r ight oidn t>;': the

i \ ••.-. • ••. c ined f irst* I cav.*.©! • •:.•••<• an « . ' . . ' • i to the t:

£ o the Ivtt cl ?k ar< L.

Did you find • • : i : . • . : • ;>.,-,.: K1,O t-oucde to this -,-.

Hot oRsoaclvely, i .

lioctoir, did • • aJ-fjo I : ••• rn oec ;>" • c i fcl • 17tw of February to conduct

en • < ;:' tho i : of I I ; iter JfocX;

2 . I did.

And. did you, ! \.r., a\ o-rvlfa the taking ,-.;' p ictures iu connection cith

til it • i.i1 ..

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GPl' ":..•• 5: Bow nt l:h:*.g Circa -

MS SIC .. : 11 ;'• • a point out of order. At (• ! i point 1 think i t v :-:

i-- ea*i lot tho"inventigafiing cffii sr'n cont inui ty , instead |>£ going

on to am : sutopay and than having questions : o: ; g back &od forth

.- ' . • : the too of thorn if X ra*y bo permitted to examine ti

et : •: Che f i r s t - '••. :y, end then have the envortuumt pi t ti;/>

evidence as far £« the second autopsy, oo that •••• can have A - lo&s

I':• lion, ). ;:•.:?.>'•;, «•;.<•• far as -

•'•'•".<; '/ • t loj Leal. Do you have any objects* V

( ""•; ' i • '. : •' have r:0 objection.

COL Ef>CJ*i 3 i"•'•. UB procoed in tha t f.: d.i.on, pleas i counselor.

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Q: Doctor, 3 don't believe that you've -- I don' t thin] you'vi v...;. i e

cc: \ i .-• a ; f, •: 1Y3 tli • • '' WOl rid, ..'•• • than blunt Crauica.

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tbna the oafra l.o tl •..•:•

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is .'. • , I i ilgl-.i: ••: f . . •; 1 . ...• :, . J n - . nor • • lou coy ' a

o£ fclio fictotisj ••,; £ov e i • ' ; V - t va J LivWi ': ;'

d o c t o r ..::• t • '. .-. : •' i'ich I da i :-..•.•.* to i it l*i ovldcue ••••'.•

X to cJo I t at • oi his t •::•••.•• .

: ' : . . ' ' \ \:\, ±t'> j , ,'•: th.ifc }if'« lc&fcing at |:M.n cO|J . Bad 5 ' i t la I ] ••' .-;:••:•

;-.- you). , t ' • • . - . • •' : : ; . . . : w-itid exhibi t , ola y••. ttt'n't

'•• : ere .

LTX £'' '; v-.i ; -.. . .- i ; •• . . '.. -1 . ;'• • ' . : ; < < : ' ' . - . : . :"•-•,

• •' ' ' : wltli :"• . "••• "' f, ".' •• • '•':•••. i l , you IHWJ ecapl I ' y<

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'.: • • .'• !,.'•••' ;..:•;.:•.• o£ - '-- • ' : ' ' , • >tOCOl 3 •: . .•:•..• with 'J Sv i*:.

I racci I£KO " ) I'ltilc 69 c.n J : | n . ' i : tfl ( he ox* • thai: \ :J

: -: '•;'• .: £ t •"••"/. l'i li •'•.•".' «.-as oent i :C c •" .-.''• v nw i.1 •..'«.; ••••

with .-..•:••.•" for; .:••• • . i 3 •;:•' ' .•••••'•;•. ;: •.','••..•:•.•... y.

i o£ t n i l en r e ; • • ' • • i ....--.'.•. t " . - ; • • . • with tl l oco.1

tho> lihn to es tabl ish .-.! ; ' • . • : . : . ion. I would have to c

; . two, hut I . : ly, t! •••/ .••- .••< to ;:,-•

; ; >.- Uufi ;:'-..:•:.:- ;:•••• yowr worda, <-'•..•. h, not t!.« vwO witich ai*u eccc Btmctad

I ci f i t Washington*o request, la that corn • .

WIT: ' ia correct. •

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I think X • t! •• • • to the sight c.i l-a of the head •..;...

!?t. I would • • .-.' to v.-.! i t to be l are • pec i f ic .

Ji-:) that would » 2 b« .' ••,-. whet?

,Ti ' taore c '..-••jv.- h«. •:•" p,J.ni or Til sdingt :•'•"•• fchie area, pay as

' to thf I--';: blnaOSug i ito the neck, ar-d •'.- •;.•• bach into

the 1'-:; •

i!';. as a p rac t i ca l eafct r in you • c: .• irlencG, VOM2«J en ;• • i f 7 to tn *

ej.de oi •-'•• • face '•--\ none ta that :.. ••••''-'.• c ' u t;o e bleeding

than a s imilar injury on the necfe whore i t oeo r*nd«

I t would do.psud rx; t"n« extent of the injury.

T' . thin Lnju .• s v. :.:.•'•••• 1 than the injury to the r*&ch, in your

opinion?

You ntg&n ths r ight wit' • no <• ipoeed -

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Hell , timy were different typo ir-*urle< ;•:••." i t would be ft l i t t l e

d i f f i cu l t to corepare tbea ;•' regard to bXf-t-Ci: g, in a fienco.

You only found wounda of inclaa in na ture . Is that corroct?

hhen 1 nay lzicino, T nean .• •.; onnosed to a ptmct* re typo ftound.

To the neck, y«

Did you find any puncture voueda anywhere e lse on the body?

i that could bo id< i t i f i ed BIS puncture wounc

How when you say not that could t c identifie-J as pu tc ••.-.•-.•••.

what did you f ind, i f you can recal l?

XI are v&& a »!.v»ll S3«aev/ii.it. ci c«3 ; • but i r regular lesion located in

th«! la te i .1 earner of the ri?.ht oys, which ma irodur d i scus ; ton a*

one fcj , could tl ' - ha\ ; i><•• • •. a y-unctura voi«nd, but tli? ftn: I e<

: • •: >.,', tl^et this •'••;: j .'.-'•''.•• y- t <-•'•'• <'• .'.:••! •- •• cay rt !-' •'

; fcrw»«nt !••' '. !r;ii It •- . . " i t c»oiw*£ tl •••• flying ' • - • • .

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" • \.: '.:•::-• •: '• .. t o i : \ , £wO c;.'" fci: ! OVI Ij '.Kg I' ' •'• .:"• ' : .

Cod you '.':'• • " v ox ne t t'i< . w«x'ffl •• what titas fchtjy i Ziicted

es op • I : ' • - . . . . • • ! In otb t '..••:'•. '••• .- c / tyjo of j:t?.J .

03 •• .. ". i . '••••'.' ••. •.": ji •.••••'.-•>.."' t' •'.'"•- ' a • r •'••.:,. v •• 11 • . ; . - , • - ••

riot in t- •;• • :.'. <-•': i ' :: '• • .

I • • r •-• Inflictfiffj •• •••:. • :• •-. : w wis .;•:;. l i f e '- the body?

I! J" cry opi;>.1.oa tl a t f.hey vor*j ..'. Lcted whiJ ' I 1< 3 pr< i'E<s woe c' 111

nalnt ''. \

Which b'duld l a d i c t e that It vas clone to fcha time of tli : tra«Kia.

,; that be eo*:r««t, nix-en too blunt tmuma was a t tr ibuted to c . .

of death?

1 ' . not nec«f?6'atri3.y. In ••• i xttor of Juct Muni triwwta causing tJsa

I ar «J no s p e c i f i c tinws lutorvnlrs eat u;i '••• tM.o. You e»m't find

a good r e f e r ; iw to pv* th:lB».ga>~j t . 'Kiore ii.iv.* .:.-, c • '..-.i;-. , i

iMcaX3 ..-.•.'•.".,., •••:: one fcJbvi, v i t h Efvi.Vil-j •• •' :• •".•• '• o.5 fchj H o .•

and til I '::' 13 ivjfc ••,;<'.' .:\.':'.; ; ;'•'. ' .' •• . -.." •,; •..;;•'.•. %'.\(\ .•;•. •- ' ;

f-r b!cc! ".:•' • " ' r • 'iip. •'•.• ^'.-:-'..r dc-itli • v : J * - . - . ; : V . ' "•

'.'•< :?t • '.Id bav< !•:•;..• .• v ; •'.••"•''.- . .•..•:•':. at '.'•. ;: ."".:. oba v • r ync one •.-•. -.

:-.-• l a t e l y • /- •• cio«.*. 'iliia cotdd vxtj r.-,...', ibly,

l.'oll. . . '• ' ..::'! • !, ia ycut :' . • .' opinion, t'••.*! or.tnir . Ii:»ii • f< r

bar l"o bt.v-3 r •' :f.i7'Jd n l l w ?

I t i '-u'- ' • v- . iSiJ'f.i.nslt. I 'd \,::••'•• to .:v a 1 ; hovit r . a t tJ: :.••.".•• i.

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Q: Was a h a i r flciapl'i tc '-on by any inv • to; Cira K b c r l ; ! i^ld?

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Q: Uoi Ld you i • •••".'•'.• < : i'.-:•'-. i n ;,••••-.- ; RtTioL •; y i - ' •: ' • • 11 : you

candt -'•../'/ ' • \<ei,2d l>« no .. ' •-' you to do i t imlo.ua i t v«a

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But i t i;ould be. ;• \ .' • • • irA jiwdieal ;•• • s not t-. do i t un ison

i t l^id ':-•--: -*••• ./,• ..-c.-.i i ,•• pcBiftono? I t*o i r e q u i r e d in you:/ fcr

r<r your educa t ion t o do Cbttt?

As ; . t - dej :: ( : fh.'j Kyj a ia-vv:..; yen in,

Q: But you were not asked fo do t i i io by the ii;v«£5tJ&ator», Xtj t h a t c o r r e c t ?

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0: /v.J bad yea o&en a.i!.ed t o do I t , you would h e r e cci p3ied, wouldn't you

bove, doctor?

j ' : V7e w aid hevM t r i e d t o .

C ,' '."" ...;-.'; 1 objec t t o tha i : .

(j: l . 'all , URO t h s r s b-tvan c y obj< -.ticn -

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(.:; Si L-Jl :3? lie** asking fcha doctor t o dr&» a e w i c l t u i o a on f ac t* th£ ho cAiuiot

X Duboit, «jrc-.: ;.c concludicn.

M EISUAH: Rail , I think my fol io in* -.•- stie • eould wviwr bia objection. Vn

klr.j i f ho hce! been Asked to do th i s , would there bavo boon .

tuodical obj':set '.• tt • any personal object ions , or any other objections

tthich be would have laade fit that tirae for net dcl«£ i t .

i : . Ji'CliJ i •• ' ' '• that mlovoftt, couviool. 1 »ca>i, be sciu he didn't take mvy

Lair ! ; ' « . What t ••.''-••••.• • •• J«i Lt to thw investigation?

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•" - ' recall ' any •• ,••••-.: . ; it • •! ! •.. fro-.i &ny inves t iga tor

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a ^ ' « t i e s , n v: •. Leg dry, i»»d the? wr.ro present i n i t i a l l y , aud I

•• I •" ' ' • ••• autopsies in the- afternoon, and vtis. y '. rsraoent £n i"'

:..-.•;; ' a l l tho t i i a, so 2 - i ' t say, you fcjiov?, retally.

Bid you nee* ' i an? Bp&clal ••:.• • E .•••• '. cmr. with w* at the :" i\*i •;..• ..-. . :

i ' •'• b» looking for, that yew vsra ,~-v-..-7 to loos for in t h i s ta'tops;

::•.--" oj; onythin that yea c as: r t c td l ?

There wai diac< ?slon, bat X can ' t r eca l l specif ical ly £2 Chare waa

i • to wado ;' •• to a specific nati ro. "•..• n c< Lved ro wr i t ten •-

No, a»y vera-ista for things to look for , If yon can recal l?

Sol speci f ica l ly . There v,r Ai scuti&ion, but aa To I tc natura , 2

fions't r e c a l l .

How could you ftsfciiuatu the tiraa ef death for Kiraberly K&cflenald?

Soa '•:'.-•'•.. wiebiu the. v';''V.;;o of nine Lsovt preceding tl tli • she VftfS "

ah«s \ •-. feutid there* oj known & ..'• by tb« u i i i t o i y po l l i a .

In ;.. fcl »logy i s there eo-xa tray of deters '• lr».g time c'! death a t !•' t

to a tnadieal cer tainty? '.>".:• tha t part of your edueetJ aa ;; pAtholo^iKt?

I t ' s jiart of tho education, yon.

Ua l l , would tha t be tli i m^ttind of 6v-.tat7>iinl5i;: body t tuvw i a

re la t ionship to tho t i aa o£ <J.-.a•i.,: and a carve of body tooiporati roe so

that you could at lo: ^t pinpoint nore clonc-l)' than nine hcuru, nor; ally?

\:rtll:. this haa brought u? a l e t ofi dleeinolon in prevloufl. cs\:^c rr.d in

thla cane i:c!v, wfid i t s lay oplnlovt that if t>3 araturew are takan, th«-j

a re not i are speci f ic cr1.\:?; •.•;;.:•. ;'.;.-. ^viii* i t ender e»i 'It :

com ' ; • .' giv .: u-'s! ant o c t a n t facts ea to vhc-t vaa | • ;• en,

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tisin of deaf? by body (--' p natures '

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Was aha plrcoi" 1« any sfc< ira ; i nr< :• where the body t&Bpe - '-s rcl^ht

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atea b&£u¥Q you nnu bar, tl;a t o t a l ?' . that you w v. nado ;.•••.•.•<••. of?

Oa fcbe ba&Xe r»f h»ai"•"•'•/, V don ' t know, this i«s documented, hi.-; t

\ & put la within tb« range r- -v. ;.<>. - before wa saw thaw,

tod that ••..;:'•" eff&ct, in yottt ju'giaent tho body temperature r«C£a

of th is cuti'-'i As fns as coolii : process.

I t !'-••: •• ••• I »g on i t .

7- I .: .-.:• r.utb* fur ther . Kiarik yot very ranch, doctor* l a regard to

th i s autops; . Tha invest igat ing off icer wight have soma iatjuirian

Do you h ••.:- • v >• d i r ec t , Captain Soi - .'.'

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t e l l us if it' j.:.i j u t ica l to tho report which tho defense gavo you

on Kttdterly tfacbonnld?

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evidence, '.•,".-- doetor :•--• t e s t i f i ed ' h e t /,•-.'.i waj hie report. , ids:

in !.'•; words, Li•••; he i •• , l.;v changed the report to 2••.• ,-1-j with

tht request froa ether people^ but the ac tual f ina l autopsy report

:. tha t rV'25, while :•:.: charged t :". sverdH I • did not perform ;•>

furl •'." t&iis or lu-aho ;..••> fcrtl ir Cvuclueiuns, and t o , at this t i n e ,

ijijoct ROS • '.; • ' •••;• -.:•:' ; . i- , ;: cusajed .' .: the t. _•-•:.'l: of '•>.:•• people

Vi d not be entering the \.*orde o5 tha dcciLot ;.. • :^.J J •••••!.:• Che autopsy,

I ' r.uraly thy -..;. ' of eea&otie a loe , ntf.d I dou'c think tha ».'• a t fc*ouS.d

bo properly accepted '•-: th< inv< ft igst iag e f f i c e r .

; actor* the dociiiici C tha t 7. jv-vi: sshowtd you, i s tha t your report?

Yea, •- would you repeat that?

This doci : it ;.;i it I've j u s t Mhcsn y.oti, 3J* t h i s your report?

This ;•: i.y report at? it: vac utfv7or3od sad :!•-.* i t s f inal ed i t ion , yet*.

Th • ••; arc i y «/erds .

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Were they channel, however, when - from the wording at tho rcouei t

of ooaeene c lss?

. apccIU-c v.orc'y such :•:• l a c e r a t i o n or cozicvslcns, as Co 0s.-4ct.ly

how w» trorded i t , vara changed. I do^j't r ecu l l i f the basic e'.ibstance

wa«j chsaf* •'. I'd have to «..v:.:..: '•-'. more clo.ca-Ij1,

i think the beet evidence j.u7e x?owi»1 prevai l harw with at leant - a

have tho - oiv-: ;•:'•• they »?cx*< -. ' • by ;c doctor i fiorfl anj oui

COT ' '• • ! ' . - -. .-•• Jweo c-£; -: on >•• •'•••'•. X don' t Chin'/ tha t v.: u c .

uhicb ho w:.; rvci 'zcd to r.rf""Q, cv n".-.ad to . ' e^uently n

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thoy •• :h n • ; ' . . : e ' •', "'...• us >.! ,:' that th«»y bn aztfvesacd uelutj «

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: Si-bui'ly, tlSiat th is I s , in f';..-;:: tlw ':::-'>I prctorcl ovar tho elpnftturc

n" tip doctor en»i »c!-na\/lcdj«^ to ba ••..'. '>;/ t:-c> c'octor, aid I think

i s propor7.y t•:.•'•..:'.-i,. ns SJI nxtt1l.lt.

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pro ) • ' : : ' u i th ufrat • • £»i.owc*it was t t « f ina l aa topsy nod BOB 1 :'v;>

5«.u*-t fiiacfvas-.ju t h a t ;'•; £y not the :•:'. .. u t t^ r . ? .

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dni ' l lcr&s l a t t e r v. • •''• ••••-... :.-•• to Kit&arly McDonald. Actual ly K*I

placftcl t h i s on ' •': r» IT. e r ro r* I f T:O could jayi , r«w*r>va t h i s l o t t o r

arid put fcliis l.ot'l - < J -•••. ; •"';.

• ', • ' ' . • : : '<••'. fcheru any ottf^fciott to l;itr,t? .

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e:;:. ROC!': 1 sw a t the* t iwa tin* q c t i o a .•'••• a, tfca c • a .'r. for the govfcrnrswai:, I

b&liavc VJIG on .':.'.:• f l o o r . Do you Isy-a any f u r t h e r f a c t s t o raJ ,

couaaalor? VTou l e f t tln ;a ''. • • plctu: a hr rt*. 1 dtdn'fc VJXOM v-'iather

/ ^ you h^t! ftirtbtir iv::isd of t b o a .

CPI SO ri?tS: I f X cuwld j .•: f. have a ?ic/r.Mrt, a i r .

0. C p ta in }:':-!-. ':."..., drs jc.-. ; •• ••. \.:<r.z t:-\- placlnf; <>• tho body c f Uiviberly

in tUo cooler for th« psrioc!, vha teva r i;: wua, ht?d a g r e a t e f f e c t c••••.

•. iy c t the oUier «w your • ! i ••'. Ion of t l MS f;3: death?

I >fc NVI our pT&r.nitt s t a t e c-i • ' ."", s i r , no .

J\-*. j-s your p r e sen t s t a t i f-'r Ur.r; -2•.--:•:'.•? in th.lr «• sa, to put i t tiara

p r e c i s e l y , ttr-s pr«nrc.it ' • 5.-: •- ' •-' ••'-? • o£ tscicrico :<n t u t s srsra, exact?

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<•: ••':-.it? t o c •: l.i . •••• t h e Ci:ue of :.';.:•;.?

Aj H u l l , ay f i n a l . .- sr. I . . , • •••' I b« cbcfc I .•' they n o t bean p l a

I :, Z dou*t t h i n k f ••• p r e c i s e p.?i t&ia&ion ;..•• r u u l d bo et tddsd J . G\'.%

ci .;-, t h a t X c twld hnvs dona i t , " b « t had fc>»«y i v t been p l a c e d tl*«sr«.

»}: : .': (70uld i.wr;: a f f e c t e d yowr }\ k j-f-uE -• I*n t»ot efiking a b o u t in- '", i.?,'1 —

bwt d id ;:';:.': afivacfc i r r:-; •.'.:.••_• your a b i l i t y t o j u d g e t i ivx?

C?T ;. ' 3i £ t h i o l ho t • ; . l th«it qw if.iori. ~i. o b j e c t .

MR ;'. ' '.• : I n i Baking; I->;r :; yeo o r no nnu:«»r. U.-al-' t h a t a l f ' c c t , tw a p u t h o l o g l d t

j u " ? ; c e n t , ''- >.; : body v.:.. . ; • ' ' • :'" « c o o l e r ?

CTT EOtfr.F.3: t i s l l , tb.n d o c t o r has a n s f e r c d t h i s nc •'.'., v i ' r e j ^ o c t f;o t h i s cxms.

I i s t i l l obj . ..

c:'v :> '.'..'.',; >.oor objection l«i suatatertd,

MR EISM-iJ!: I hnva iso ' • . > . • i ttioafl,

CJl ;-'0; :.::- S i r , da y< tvfah to cottduct ru: e-uairination on tlily iaauu? •

COJ. JfOCxi i'c i. Die - • - ava crcii.'»J« •', •• ;tt>r, Co Is.1 i any debris ft i.-a tV,o •>:

of ;' > '. •\-'- bociy?

Th'^ro •..;•- - : ' ' . . : • fevj •- ,'3e;i ..-'•••. jV-rtor •.": • . 1 -::.: I \/are t'-iere

ot the n.:- .• ;.'.:••. cbfti: •• •• i ' . ••• ' : r.•.".••..'..:"::--/ rwfetrrueij t o f i i . ' : •• ' •

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Cv". VnCil: I ••::.". Hew WJM ;':.'•: •"•,.•• i.-. te telly, c s rwirly :;.>• t) i livi*, or

2i: the •. •. . : :'; ks rJy , - it; cMe doao ttt ;;•.:•-...'. '•'.;. J.55'l hours ,

ttie til : o ' the fe«ti =>:-.>-<

WIT: This, to ; / : •• j.llo fcic»» thin v'. .• duaa e a r l i a r in thfl isoi '• , t -

i*a ij v . .;. ;• •. ,•• c.-. eJ3 fchr«a,

COL fcOCKj You conoid : tb i the bio; • to tha rifhi i i were the prim Lnal caws

oS dc $th?

COL KJCil: Did X andar.*tnud . on to oaj :.:: ..'" you fcl £nh that tha neck wovr J.o trsre

I:V! ' • . :. : • ' Si • CO C--\] V

' ,...-• Vot the> w .• / '•• clottri, 1 .,:' th 'fch occurred chortly a i t a r t ha t .

C ;.; ; ''"•: 3 '.••• - .• \ •: i .. .-. ,• •,•• : l sus .

ISi ",:•;;/.'.'/;• I have i sthiug further.

C 2 S':"..'£\J3: Sir, the awr.c pojrfcloa of the fc< ' : my of the Kii-naas, I*a eur«, u i l l

t.;j--. .-•-• hear or ao, ano f.fc i'j 1130. Po yox? »ioh to break at this tir*o.

COL ROCS J I '•••. • • •: thai: w43J t e epi >re> .;::;?•<:.. Cdptnia Hancock, you arc adviOfed

I i you : ' • : ' dlaeusfl yo -•: v.. .:•..'- • •;•.• with so ;-cr;c:i other than coie-c-2.

for the .'..••, Jr-ii ;' or eouuttfid for t"•<.• accitofed. Do yen tradoretend, nir?

BIT: *«r. s i r .

COL ROCK: This haariu?, wi i l ba roceaced vutXl 1330 thiw afternoon.

CTha hearing v«;«<»9wcd at 112? : cu. ••-, 15 Ju?y 19V0.)

(•. • bo. ,.'•: J- sponcd at 23'::: bt -..: 15 July 1970.)

C01 ; " \ " ; Thin ba •- '- ••: i/J V. coiao to c ,.'-v. T. .>': the rocord reelect that tho

;,'-.:i::'-:, who *:Ci'fl prortCUt flt t:10 ht'oni: n:-%' c>.: : . .Mj' in th'-: N •. >.-." :•.',

rocM^ iocl.u '-:. the wltHoss, Doctor Kar»coc!r. I t.*ould li!;« to roftind

fi:,; >;:.:•:.•:.: tJ»--jt you cv-v i-.:" r o.'ith. I helidvo .it this etni fft* as"*

] .• , ' v id to i>roc:c.c.3 - :'. "• !:'••• r'octo»*'c - •.••...:.':i- teotlwony concomio^tha

v '•;:£ dtfCf-iatd. ProCC'icI (•:'.•;•.-..*.:.-.:..

• Cao: tior.a I .. 5 Sd i:

Dsetor, X L ::'f". ; X a-ihoo jro:i '•• *or« Ku;c5i wh.or.her yc?; had en r/>>yiori.ttn.ifcy

to eoodoc't •'-" . - . • . . • . ; >• Z'rici'M '- •'-•-'Id, di.d I no!:?

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Qi . tutd hi ti . •"• • :•• . of: v • • •• -" -;•: ' ' . y< i h: %. .:, ocoi I '« to

' " : ' ' : ' • '• • •' ''

A: "- s .

C?X :.; . "• : 2 RMJ/. .: • t' pJc rcoa < .lie*.; I &ow ' • ••" to tfce lavaotigntSng;

( ,i : . i • .••:•.•• v • i';{ • , ' U.>ity,

i ) -:•..: fi-36, bloc . ! v \ • /-ht-fco « ' • luv.vt. G-37, a color photo o? a c h i l d ' s

' • . - . — : : • -i •:'. ;'•;:.. 0-3 , color photo of a cMld's -

v ill , ;••••• 1 nW;iI J" 2 U ••• '.

j ^ _ ('. 36 thru • .: cl .•: Lho> • .J

Q, ICoctor 'X : ' ' .• ;.. • . • : . • • ; L'shlMts .'. ' thru 35 and GO'.; you i * ti .-.:•

\.•-•••::. :'•;;•;• ti • y ';;-.:.? ..•• i jrou BUpi •.-.'.-• 3 ti.O taking O* d«Tlag t

autopsy o£ 5 rSstOA ?^uJ3o

A: V A, they r.rc*.

Q: A*xd, doctor, in the •.•.;.;. i 70 us cut •••-.: •, o.«d rubscgrient r epo r t , did

y >u hevii •• • : :. -,• • a flrad ou< ?] protocol In fchfl <::•-•-: or

KSiaten fae . aid?

'.• Tew, I did.

... •• ' • . . . . . ' , . ,. s \ that i.:::;. •" c •,.•:. •... u&rfcad ••• e Govornswmt Exhibit.

I ROCK.: C-39 £3 f inal autopsy s •-• on j . r ' . ; . - . .-.• tald.

(C-3Q was fcbovw» to COR d#£cn<se.)

[ I-;S : :'••. [: At this fcim I would ••;'• jtion the? cfitr.i>\s:t' of ExMhit G-39 on t l« '.•:••••••

baaia t'uat I objected to t*«w l iwt offer. ?hl$ >.-•• a report which I s

not thf" rcj'-ott \- • s,:cc*.iV' .1 -.V • tfor-'ncfc -"•..••••;• Boa; Ltal, tuvd i t if;

a dounly f••.• v. •;:• :d >•'••.• . s BiiOO conditioner tbai v/aa a**nt t/i

. : hington - tl»s doctor'.<* OT5.£*,JU«1 j:nport •• ".-: w^nt to n&ahlnston

i\ 3 (ha . •:. »• '-:''• a t fh* E•• fu. •*' e* i • " •- oil • t i t •• : Che

tjording. I •' ' ' t» it (" • i ' / •• • rding o'- '•'••• doctor, isg t.o have

In •»•'•'• tVNi other /xe.us'O'3 ."•'• •;•.- t.o.ild v.. tT'o hoot t:hin« Cos t"n

. :.' i '-. • : . . . : . ;.• i • : • . . • .; '• . i 1> follow -••-•• ;-•.. : •••••. it ,

;: :.. ..:•::'.; «, and t'«ii-J :.:;::• ; : "/ tc .'iJ to con£u?G 'c' -i :"- I . ' . ;.-^;

oifitt-:-r. : ti •• ! . . . • '', -•- '•'•••• i";-: . i-c ti: Co Ji»trod •—J fso :-• icr

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c , : : : S . S I ' S a " ' - • • ' t . : ; . . ; . ; . , . . . . . . . . . • ' o : . ; . • . ' . - . • • ; . . • " . • - • T . . • . : . . • ; ! , . . - . - . ? . J i t - L l a

b i t 1 ':•' . • - ... ' \ •:':•• •

( '.r,-...;t Cc«p.y«l, j .•.-.< n :•••.:.••:••.. >.• ; : . o, I C««UK f-.bafc bofcli yon rtnd Captain

:'••• -': • •..•.;".>;<: r-'-'i •.• -,o ' • . . . • - '-'-• i; ,•'' ' ••-'• ;•: Colcnol Roc'c in , t '..-

: -.-". v">: '. we've ;- •;• c .'•• ;;.'.-•,•..;; . - r»«t Caleb ' , - DocfcoX !!fACock*a ''£itifJ

sr«pOi't" f<"'.- hi : it to i.' ::••''- *':-••. i-ixii .••.-• aucinlcttfative t

;. ; • • -.:. s.t ' • ; ::"'• he ux..Ic».s fhfi PW'rti*."xicsX report . '1 Aut! X

i...:"..'.. to c.!l ' >' .'..•. 1 ) ••" • «.y !.".-•: ."• .' beat tb/.Ug to do ifl .' i '

to ai'vit boti« o5 ;.'••• > f.-K? !• •' tha 32 offices go sband mid reed

:> of thcx.:. I-'c, :>.:• • : . -. . •. : • ' t*"- difference:;.

;'..• ' 7 ' :'.::: ftx3 i-iRhfc, • • i •'•-•• • •'•- "• - • ; • >*:5ir that »?3.b» provided. •>:.';

c •.•,•'' : c '." c. 2»i of Lh-i '-'-'• .•<'_-'• . '•'

C/ ,: :•.":.:• Ccsrtsinly, :••••:•'. .•:.-.• i.'-- : ••../•••' •••:t. wi 3 J fimvifch to tSia d&f r. ••

; copy of botl £J '' ">• -••-•. v.v.\- tl'sf b.at;o uoi: rv.'i.';-i:.ly been fun>iehail

to the-!*, V . ;•:•..:• tbiag tci ••••• \:a '.•'< br f-;c» cb; -i ar.*1 r.»avk now tbo

f inal :;•:-'.•; or :''• •;•.:.. '• - '.••.••. :• : ' -.•;• ••'•••:•' a&d hove fcbet &rcx»;;,H?

i n .

CI") ;'' . : 3 hand tliat rcr.ort to tbo .. . I ' ';i: (•• '• : • .

COL •' O r v i i - : - ; - ; •".-. '••."••:';• '.-'. ::'••: f j n a l : tc '•/• -• • r,.l tr. 1...... ./,• :•,•-:>: :i<ilt'.

iV'i. EXSliAi-5: And a^ th is t',,-\ •..-.; *,*.'»ul ofiror fts tbc w:t t ncc«s«d ; d i ib i t , v-. tA %-o

! • . . : , • 1. . ' • t ' e i.i!. ' ! ; ' ;•;.:• I. if<ir*i i t Vfr..- •.•.:• ;.;• \.:\- ;;.•;•/•;::..>.

<:T r l :.'•; ;":v:, this .;.••. b^ ror.e in ' •:• ;; : • : • . .

. : : •• . ; ; ; : Woll, .v .. i • R :v:. ••:'.•:•." • . : . : • • • BH not to delay.

( if, 1 .. •• A-?.7 :.. •:'•• • :'•.'•' '•:-'• .-••.•.•••; • .- •: of lty< ••:. , f; ,..;.•••;?.•'',

r.; roci:»r, 1 •'•- • _ •• \ •' . •"• ' : • >' ••••'• •'•"•• A"e tfu.-i - tb . •

• •' . '• (':•• ••'•. . c. • . ' i . : • • • • n • . - . r o i . - - l > t

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•; •'". . :: '• " ' •• 1J ;.::'., ••..'.'';. fio •:•.-•. I>9 c-..y v>-.: fc 40 you w i l l

•:.-''•• '.'.:•'. fch '••' ".'.-•' . •'':. i.'. I '.'•''.''•.

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1 l i;..• S I j en _; - •;:!••"• • \-'.'-..- :-y :'• ' t3 ; '.• ft to ;.al:u avxti th&Z fcJu j a r e

• "*",c ;'-•.• I e . ' . . : '•'• ; f: "' '•- /<* .

C \. . ' : • ; . ;••: •'. 3 •..•;'.:•, : . ' , . .

/ ,: r-y . . . . . . . ' ;•• ._ •:/••:. • • . co r r ec t ed oa Krlatoa J!AC *>tv£ild.

• -.':0 :':. the flics?. c> py Isi .v.- < . .• . i i /. i '.-rero. tnade sad r.f. • of th*

. • ."'••;; •-•' ;"• •• c» . V.

( . . :'• i On •-'•.'-'. •'.•: '>;••••--.'.,

t/Ti': Thtf : ; < -. .'• •' ' . • . i ; r .

:.:•/• ;••.,. '•. :•:. c! /:, C--.W - :'. • v' .: :,•-. rf i- " •, ifl £• : £ the ouo you got back £r«.i

'; ••".:.'':•• with Ilia i : : ,; ti«n:t; '..<:;.;.':. tho ;;.••.•-A one you oubstitted

with tlvi <•..,- act '•.- • £r«>n 7 • • hi: f;t- n OH KiaWrjy?

'•:'..-: l->. il 'a tJ*o •'•: a hciforft M&: '•'•••-' ••

COL S.0CS i U . w i l l tal'.fi a f ive »in«-c re.

(The I•...•.:-' - • " •;. I5i28 :•:.- , IC July 1970.)

(.-:- h . ••: . veopcawl ni '<:.:•; houx.i, 10 July 1970.)

COX. A.:' '.* W f l I •" sg • 113 t. ••' - to o.-Jcr. ' .'.V &a r«o.&r/i re-':?.•.:•': i:':i :;: .••."."'.

P -rrl ::• tlsat ;.'..'• ; •.• sent :,;. <\ •.' \>xca'.i RTO cuirrcutly lu t h a !,;'•:•'.;•'

rco::;. '. .;'. c&otl coun :i*lor.

CPI S£ .::•• S i r , at thi'. t i w fch<? ; .• •• . .-,.<. -,• u«t?fcn y--, . :. .-J.un t o withe1!* •

Govern . it I'.'J ll-it:. :,~ u• • '. I.

•". i Q( Li • I ' ..: Rf '

Q: I..--..-:, •...••: .. • :. . I '. i '• , i • • • t! n ;.-.'... ••,';•• cid t.?:tcnt of tha

i n ju r ioe BUS •, • ' by . ' ' bf.: i'r.r.I; . . . } : , wfiiiig toe a l ide .

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cuV. time rhoy o : be, •.' • >n. It . ' e Ci -.tor h-s-'r-.. 3 hs csa c-fl L • i it;

without i.:: elide I d ':: f* Ink th«ue ic anytldvg sbout te la tha*: le

ont! tordSnavy.

C ) . .•.'•: 1*1 govcr* ••• ••;. Bt.ill eoi .••: thai the rslldea add « ; c lari ty . Two out

of three of thc.su pic! • • •: r. ••-•-•. ;>ond Cc the (tildes which vs haves.

COL r.';:;-.;. . II , I'd i lka t o w i lid • for c l a r i f i ca t ion in •..,• o«ra . : -\.

'£hei :v .. if '.'• i ' was 01 • •'.,• - •' leu, tho objection ie .

CPI ! ••. . .". • Star t with the e l ides , \ ,"• i i, doctor.

UIT; 3"hia f i r c t pizkvza to ea anturi »i vii o* Krlr t a-a Kfecitonald and I ahull

. I tally describe fchr :e v; :••. a ox \.:.••.••:. .. 'jThs f i r s t w i l l he ti ••: a

Incisional wounds which are four in m ••.. r, one, two, ehrc«» fours two

of theoa wo rids • '--• .•• • i t ' •' d e?3j i id p«nct i te the right heart. 1". ie

• • : . • of rou ids ccr* S*»1 -. :'•' Irivo circular pc-adtratlng i iuudu of

which one, two, three , fo five ore rhoNn in this area, Thsse pene­

trated only t ., -:•_ ;•'.- •.;ly to fcho i-: tent of the underlying ?•;•..•.''le„ The

third group o? \ »inida co; . :C in 9 very superficial c i r c u i t pynctura

round ' • the right Bide of the chest which consisted of tvclva in

totel n« < • - t • '. of ihieh are in t'.iia pattcra.

Qt Indicatinj an S pattern?

A: Siritulotinp; an S type pattern, yea. Sooe other additional findings,

there was -• c?.a barely !• • f - ' i ixi thin photograph - but I • wca a"

one Incisional stall vound to the anceriov neck, uhich again tr, is <::t: d

the thyroid at one point. Mao fihown to some extent. c.~ t?ii« photograph

are three, one, two, thrcs superf ic ia l nhrasiooa of the right lateral

v *,-":, which i« ju:;t: a ccropJng of: the nkiji. liot chov:n en Chad phcto-

grnph are two additional ahice 'cvj or pec-lirg away of the superficial

Kkia on top of the ••:J:'d • • ,,: '.••-:•:.

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, . .. ; • '•.•••-.:• bcon rc_>):cin? to p. olido eorreppiradlng with Sov&i '

rxhihic Z'i':

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:>.:.'. •:-•;•.• '• p] ••:•.•;>.-•/; !.'••-, :; the ;.•: t< r l o r ; :- i: of Kr ic ten Nad or.;'!.',

I t shows fcwalva :J .. I •"•••'! :•••••••':•, ' i re the only type wounda c

cn» the | . : ' .-.. .• • ; ; t . '. | • the l o f t lung < i •. Itj ,

lac< ti . In .. ;. ' ; i p.iuitio-.i, p s a a t r a t e d the l e f t h e a r t in t i o

I n s t a n c e s . '.:. • a l l •.:••• i I, id •• I have, One block and white

.., raph -

Doctor , t h i s uroet r •-. .it -. ' . '• '• co res c La t o Coverjsrent Exhibi t G~33.

i. t h i s co rn ' t?

'I;: .;: .; • c. ••. ;..

( • couu e l ua.ll tha vifcn^os «. ••. "1 • •• tha IO'a t ook . )

Ti- ;.'• io a p i c t u r e i.f K.riafccn'u r i g h t ho;*d, «ii-.«-T what Ac -; itond d to

.'.' ••;",- io E u l t l p l e i n c i s i o n a l wounds, t h i a being one on the lef:; -

T k a t ' e art I n c i s i o n a l wound?

T h a t ' s a very s r a l l i nc i t -vond wound.

I s t h a t a c i r c u l a r inciBioaa.1 ' • • id?

I t it. d i f f i c u l t fa .:.-.;. f roa t h i n . It i o In tha order of one to t. ,o

eri I l l -ne t e r a . I t d o e s n ' t app^a? i n ft c i r c u l a r h e r e .

I i t appear to ba In length?

It appeara of t h i s n a t u r e (po in t i ng to ano ther wound.) ThlB 5s tho

Rinjor l e s i o n which i<; en i n c i s i o n a l . This pene t ra ten through tl .o chin

and e x i t s on the o the ; sid<

You a r e r e f e r r i n g now to a worn ' tho four th finjjer?

Tha ring f inder on tha r ight baud. Th<>-as o ther c u l f i p l o BIT a l l wouada

a r t - appear J u c i a l o n a l ~ ore ••. •.. •• s u p e r f i c i a l puncture wounds. Hot

shown in t h i s photograph waa an i n c i s i o n a l wound on the palm f.spacfc of

t h e r ight index f lnj jer , and no : shown he re a re a l s o swel l iuc io iopj :

wounds of the r i g h t hand. 1 d o n ' t J.a\e e photograph of i'-^ t'ijjjit head.

This ir, tho r l f h t band*

' J ' . M n tha l e f t • yr»d, excuse : : .

Doctor, would yon p loaso i..'; • la tha J raa her J t h a t you 1 , • d -.-. Ibcd

in i- '• photop.rfiph with t h i * pen?

And then at ths* hottc-.i , 1- •:.;•:. nrit< j ... nasiS ;'.:.:i the J; : . . i .

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(Counsel tad t.";e wittf' as r e tu rned t o t h e i r s e t ' t s . )

_Q: IJoulc" you d o s c r i l i, doc to r , thi efi!ecfcr.) of those vomide, p ie / si

A: Both i. :; -..,••••.•'.: to ' ••'•- .'•'•'•• :-'- '•'•' p o s t e r i o r ' ~ - ••'. ae '• a t ionad

; .-.;•.;: tu© h«arfc. 1 Lthrr of t h e s e panel•.•.•.•,•;.; ••-••• wore s u f f i c i e n t

t o havo cat: eo *' i th by < enunguicat ioa o r b l e e d i n g from tha h e a r t .

!• -'. v..- ! . := • ' f e l t not contributing primarily t o

dc; th<

Q: Doctor, did you have Kvii t e n ' s load t j >ed?

A: Yes, I d id .

Q: And what typ« of bio -.' c'.Jd rho I 0 V

1 A: SI • w is 0 ne-'jat Ivo, D'J '• '- . . .

CP1' S ". EKB: Yoar w i t n e s s .

QuisOtion3 by KR E1SKAM:

Q: Doctor, yov 'v* deacr ib ; .' a t o t a l of 17 c i rcu lar v^\v.-\::. I s t- .nt correct?

A: I d o n ' t hf*va t .- exact - r. I r e c a l l it s a s even teen .

Q: Shore ware fivo i n the chest r::- ., four o'. which were ou] a £&cial. l a

that correct? In tho l o f t chftat a r e a , f ive c i r c u l a r wounds, four oi*

which were s u p e r f i c i a l in tha l e f t •

All f i ve wore s u p e r f i c i a l .

All f i ve were super f i c ia l? Then you dcaer ibod tv?alve a d d i t i o n a l

ci£c.\ilr.r v,-,,;;,:.'. !;.;•-•; they a l s o s u p e r f i c i a l ?

And you sa id tha t tbuy wera l a , what you de sc r ibed as an f> p a t t e r n

on the r i g h t cheat?

A: T h a t ' s correct .

Iffi i..'..'!'.•.•,r I have MO further quest ion-?.

CPT EOLBS": 1 think t h e r e i s oca t h ing va ca>i c l a r i f y .

Queotiona by CPT SCI-ftiiC:

Q: b o c t o r , with r capad to Accused E s h i b i t a A-26 end 27, exa t hey top ica

cf the f i i :«l autopsy protce.nl '<

They correspond with 1 ./ Cin.il copi&a,

,' : do 3 une r&tar.d thai yoa c v s t r j b u t e c .use of death i»i Krii x-n's

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COL / ,: You • ouid l»av« 1 aovu i f '<•'• %>• had I ."in?

1 I'l;: . I f they !•.-.' ;• • •. i . *. \- a.

0 , ' • IJhst tr you ;-;- i by ; term, : V ; ; . ; • ' . : b".oodV Thut'e the f i r s t

t i l c £' i-e • -••• rd tha t .

tll 'S ':.''•. -••. = •':; a C, i l l pCTCS; ! >- Of pSOplfi who PVC flOICOfcbKSft c3 BBQj fJU'id «3 or r : .;;'•• SK

j!Ofilt5.v« which, when further tooted , /a re c lass i f ied en negat ive, but

whoa fnrthex •• ' ' .' ' ' ' '•-'-'-'.• i ' '•••'•••• o we routinely now do

the eccond teat to Bske sasa o:: cer ta in that i t in negative.

;.. • ; ; CK.J So tha HU u e g a t l i -->ly i a c o n f i i i thu Chst i t i •< 0 n e g a t i v e , ea

f l r u t v<:ad?

. i... 7,1-et's c r root . .

CCL ! Can you, from your ;.•; • ' ?r-lonal '.. - v ' ' c . ' ; c , mak« any e s t i m a t e as t o

whether an i c a p i c h •..•• . ' ••' In ei*y of t h e p e n e t r a t i n g wounds on K r l s t a n ' a

i adyT

"•;>'.: c..!r.:-'i':r c.\•,.::. voyuds ares c o m p a t i b l e w i t h t b i o , wi th G c i r c u l a r

poim ed object.

If I und«?ratood you cotr^cf.ly, yon Lndicatad that th« penetrating

(rounds wbicb -could, have bean )••',: by en ica pick c.:Iy penetrated

' 1 ; •. e t u d e t l a c u a . I s t h a t correfcfcY

The f i v a ou the l e f t ••'•'••• of the ches t p e n e t r a t e d to the tauccle and

tha t e n nail ddi lo &J t*.;o on *•' '• r i g h t r.?.de of tha cheat did n o t

paaatrat-. to tha i.-.uaclc, but pc-netrated only t o tha fat* They were

aui • ' : '•''•:•'-'••

•• •• . • ' " ' : f.'avs you had ot ii-.ion ':•;• o!' :•"•..•. ;.••'?(•; p r e v i o u s l y t:'.':-.!; fcrar] pe .natrat ins

wound th . . ,•• :. Jiy-oe.l i/ed w i t h rra ir<i plck^

' . .I . ; : Hot My.e i t J ',.'; •;. 1 ••.•- •'•.-•.: :.-•..• ivi conjt>nction witb a»itcj..:,i»r:n i :^in;:

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Q: ". • ra you • , . :••.•• !*n< '••.._ i s i t u. itfustl that an ice pick would

not v .-•.:..; .' .'. • .:'; ' •..".' then you h.svn indicated in t h i s case?

I t :' • . r,v? <:.. tl . Co id, 1 could Jii-v-ioc, the sharpness of th«i

poii t . : f • '." • >jrr». A v.o: .•-- able araotjnS: of force should cause

pen ; &;;,

I :;r.;C:: . to : ' *:.i ::'c- (••• ':•, or what seemed t o bo k n i f e

wounds, would i t bo ywa :, ••••;• • tbat thece vers rcsdo with the knife

•'••••'• ] :.: •;•• ' .'• i or two i t fl fslic tag type action?

^ y . ?n ' : dire it Ion of the blown appears - Hero slanted to have been straight

into the body, < '-• could hawo I•••-.. at angina to tho right ox the l o f t ,

I ,»C <•'• Sat: :• : uywj'.rda end downwards, they wore s t ra ight*

Ctfl 3V0C«Ci i havff- no further questions. Docs ni thor counsel have questions?

(.:•'/.' COn '.:."•: Kona by the govivr: :i>ut, Blie.

COL ' C«j»faia usuccek, you ere advised that you wilJ dlsoesa your testimony

with no person other than ecus* ' for the government or counsel for the

• •'. to you «ra !e* -.•- c 1 th i s?

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M^L-V:, Vou i;r i >:;••.•; ':-d, s i r , f"<>V,':t:t lo •.. --••.:n..

('ilia •;.?••.•.•.•. !•;••; ' ." the 10 and departed the bearing roora.)

*"•"".' . ' . . ' . : V. vould FU3?jc*f»t ':•-•: wo recess now, 1 need to see , f i r s t , whether

Doctor Jceobzoft ia h&ra, snd - icondly to j>ivo the defense their

opportunity to steal; to bia*

f••;, PPCK All r igh t , we wil l rteesa for on appropriate period.

(Ti••.; hearing rccittoed at 1412 hours, 16 July 1970.)

(The bearing raopCACd at CV,.'i boors, 17 July 1970.)

< "\ ';•;'.: This hscrinjj will ceusa to i.r.'-.v. Let the record ref lect that n i l

pj ..:'--.•. '':•• \-ere •;;•., .;': at tlt-a closing yesterday arc currently in

, trith '•-••• edditiotu of Captain Thompson, assistant

causae! Cos •- :.•••••..• •'.:. In the counsel for government proparod

Y -... • •) _ .'.v. '.J- tit. b«~wi '• .'•:<":• we'd l iko to dispose of before we

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