Kesha Transcript of Proceedings - Rolling Stone

7/24/2019 Kesha Transcript of Proceedings - Rolling Stone

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WAF KMV W: Hmmg mr lo lh. _mu iy nf sfit fg.

Bft f j us t go vvy up t af mt o mls afr f. Ib b

r o hat , ymu ib b aivf o k r mpamlfs , s m ymu k il s pfic o lt m

t af o kr mpamlfs ilg fvfr ymlf kil afir .

O aivf t ar ff mt o mls o l d r mlt md f. Wafr f o s

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Wafsf ir f mt o mls t m go s o ss - - ilg lmt t m go s o ss t af

ij mr ikt o ml, nut t m go s o ss t af kmult fr kb io s md Cfsai.

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ilg t ait ' s - - ma, o t ' s [fquflkf 9?, lmt 98 - - t ait o s

igf ml nfaib d md - - md @r . Hmt t wib g, C@O , wao ka o s ao s

km pily Cisz @mlfy, O lkmr pmr it fg, Urfskr o pt o ml [mlhs ilg

t afl t afr f o s ib sm Cf msinf Flt fr t io l flt , wao ka o s ib sm

mlf md ao s flt o t o fs . [m t ait mt o ml o s igf ml ao s

nfaib d . Ilg k fr t io lb y o l t fr s md @r . Hmt t wib g ilg

O - - o t gmfs o lvmb vf - - ilg, ymu clmw, C@O , Ur fs kr o pt o ml

[mlhs , o t o lvmb vfs ib b md t af kius fs md ik t o ml o l t af

kmult fr kb io .

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wao ka - - ilg mlf md o t s flt o t o fs, Cf msinf fkmr gs, BBK.

Ilg @r . Hmt t wib g o s t af KFM md Cf msinf.

Lmw, t amsf mt o mls ir f niso kib b y mt o mls igf

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Ilg o t ' s ib s m d mr @r . Hmt t wib g ulgfr t af d o r s t

mt o ml, ib sm ( i) ( 9) .

Ilg d mr [mly t afy' r f is co lh t m s t r o cf, o l t af

ib t fr lit o vf, samub g t af mt o ml t m go s o ss lmt nf hr ilt fg.

Ilg d mr [mly o t ' s r fib b y - - t af d o r s t ilg t af b ist kiusfs

md ik t o ml ulgfr t af k mult fr k b io s ir f k mlt r ik t ik t o mls

ilg ir f lmt r fib b y ib b fhfg ihio lst [mly ilg Cf msinf, sm

o t ' s r fib b y t af mt afr k ius fs md ik t o mls o lvmb vfg t afr f.

Lmw, t af mt afr mt o ml O aivf o s @mt o ml [fquflkf

Lu nfr 98, ilg t ait mt o ml o s d mr i pr fb o o lir y

o lj ulkt o ml, ilg spfko d o kib b y isco lh t ait t af gfd flgilt s

nf flj mo lfg d r m` fld mr ko lh fxkb uso vo t y pr mvo so mls o l t af

vir o mus k mlt r i kt s . Ilg t afr f ir f i lu nfr md go d d fr f lt

k mlt r ik t s , nmt a wo t a [mly, wo t a C@O , wo t a Ur fs kr o pt o ml . . .

O s o t " Ur fs kr o pt o ml [mlhs " =

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WAF KMV W: Ur fsk r o pt o ml [mlhs o s t af punb o sao lh

flt o t y. [mly ais i k mlt r ik t wo t a C@O 3 C@O o s t af r f kmr go lh

flt o t y mwlfg ny Hmt t wib g. [m o t ' s ib b d io r b y o lt fr r f b it fg.

Ib sm, t af pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml hmfs fvfl

d ur t afr ilg o s is co lh t ait O mr gfr Ur fs kr o pt o ml [mlhs t m

o s suf- - ilg o t ' s , o t ' s vfr y nr mig- - t m o s suf t af lfkfs sir y

punb o s ao lh b o k fls fs md Cfs ai s m t ait s af k il hm o lt m t af

ir cft pb ik f, nis o k ib b y. Wait ' s - - t ait ' s wait o t ' s

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o lj ulkt o ml d o r s t . [m O t ao lc t ait wmub g nf fis o fs t .

@ . HF IHM[: Mciy.

O t ao lc _mur Amlmr ais d io r b y su` ir o zfg

WAF KMV W: Gm ymu wilt t m icf sur f t af o k o s

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t af i pb o d o k it o ml, o d t ait ' s . . .

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md wait wf' vf is cfg d mr . O gml' t clmw t ait o t o s is nr mig

is ymu wmub g wilt t m k air ik t fr o z f o t , nut O t ao lc,

o lt fr fs t o lhb y flmuha, wafl ymu t icf i b mmc it t af

o r r fpir inb f air ` - - t ait ' s mlf md t af r fis mls wf aivf t af

gfkb ir it o mls , t ait ' s mlf md t af r fis mls O t ao lc t ait t af

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t ao s t af o r r fpir inb f air ` o s, d mr Cfsai, o s t ait saf

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ib b fho lh t ait s af k illmt pfr d mr ` ilg o t ' s co b b o lh afr

kir ffr . Ilg t afr f ir f id d o givo t s hmo lh nmt a wiys . Wafr f

ir f ib sm o ssufs is t m o r r fpir inb f air ` t m [mly ilg Cf msinf

fk mr go lhs , wao k a nis o k ib b y aivf t af r o hat t m afr - - t m af

r fk mr go lhs , ilg ib s m t m Ur fs kr o pt o ml [mlhs , d r ilcb y, wam

ais kmpyr o hat o lt fr fst . Ilg ymu' r f isco lh f, lu nfr mlf,

~ ~"b U .t m gm iX~o t ab kmpyr o ha~, wao ka o s i vfr y ij mr t ao lh.

Ilg O ' ` lmt fvfl sur f O , ' lmt pr ff pt fg ny d fgfr ib b iw, nu

wf' b b j us t b fivf t ait is o gf d mr lmw.

@ . HF IHM[: Xf' b b put t ait iso gf.

WAF KMV W: _mu' r f ir huo lh t afr f' s lm o r r fpir inb f

air ` t m [mly. Wafr f ir f lmt i b mt md r fk mr go lh k m pilo fs

it t ao s pmo lt . War ff mr d mur =

@ . HF^IHM[: O t ao lc o t ' s d io r t m s iy t ait

t afr f' s t ar ff.

WAF KMV W: War ff.

@ . HF^IHM[: War ff ij mr s. Nut t af - -

WAF KMV W: Ilg wmub gl' t - - o d mlf - - o d i Kmur t

nb o lgb y wflt o l ilg go g wait ymu iscfg md f, wait wmub g

t ait gm t m t af o lgus t r y=

@ . HF IHM[: Xfb b , O gml' t t ao lc o t wmub g gm

ilyt ao lh t m t af o lgus t r y. O l d ikt , O t ao lc t af o r r fpir inb f

air ` o s o d wf cffp s o t t o lh ilg put t o lh afr ml o k f. Waf

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wmr c wo t a ao , t ait s af' s lmt r fkmr go lh. [m o t ' s lmt is o

ilyt ao lh o s nfo lh pr mgukfg. Wafr f' s lm o lkm f nfo lh

hflfr it fg. Lmt ao lh o s - -

WAF KMV W: Bft f isc ymu sm ft ao lh: _mur ij mr

o s suf o s t ait ymur kb o flt , @o s s [fnfr t , o s s iyo lh s af

killmt wmr c wo t a @r . Hmt t wib g.

@ . HF^IHM[: Kmr r fkt .

WAF KMV W: Lmw, r figo lh ib b md t afsf pipfr s- - ilg

t afr f ir f i hmmg ily pipfr s - - O ' vf lmt o k fg t ait [mly ilg

Cf msinf fkmr go lhs siy t afy gml' t kir f o d Hmt t wib g ais

lmt ao lh t m gm wo t a t af r fkmr go lh. Ilg, o l d ikt , t afr f ir f

pb flt y md pfr s mllfb t afr f, r fk mr go lh ir t o s t s , pr mguk fr s ,

t ait - - t ait s af kil wmr c wo t a ilg s af' s md d fr fg t m wmr c

saf wilt s t m wmr c wo t a sm fmlf fb sf, sm t afy ir f wo b b o lh t

ib b mw afr t m r fkmr g wo t amut ily o lvmb vf flt md

@r . Hmt t wib g. Ilg, o l d ik t , wait O lmt o kfg o s t afr f wis

ilmt afr - - t afr f ir f pipfr s d r m ` @r . Hmt t wib g t ait s iy af

wo b b ib s m ihr ff t m ib b mw afr t m - - t m r fkmr g wo t amut ao s

o lvmb vf flt .

[m lmw saf o s nfo lh ho vfl pfr o sso ml t m r fkmr g

wo t amut ily o lvmb vf flt md @r . Hmt t wib g, af' b b st iy mut

md t af wiy. [af wml' t aivf t m wmr c wo t a ao . Xay gm ymu

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WAF KMV W: Uir gml=

@ . HFÎHM[: O ' ` hb ig ymu iscfg o t , nfkiusf O

wilt fg t m iggr fs s o t .

O t ' s il o b b usmr y pr m o sf ny t af . Lu nfr mlf,

wait af ais s amwl ny t ao s b o t o hit o ml o s t ait af ais lm

o lt fr fst o l Cfsai sukkffgo lh, gmo lh wfb b mr ilytao lh

fb sf. O fil - -

WAF KMV W: O i` lmt - - Wait o s lmt nfd mr f f.

Wait ais lmt ao lh t m gm wo t a wait ymu' r f isco lh d mr o l t ao s

pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml.

@ . HF IHM[: O t o s o l i s fls f. _mu' r f t ib co lh

inmut ib b md t af I& gfk b ir it o mls , ib b md t af ir cft o lh,

ib b md t af pr m mt o ml, fvfr yt ao lh fb s f o s k mlt r mb b fg ny

t af . [m ymu aivf - - af kil s iy, " O ' ` hmo lh t m s t iy mut m

o t . O ' ` hmo lh t m s t iy mut md t af r fkmr go lh. " Xfb b , d o r s t

md ib b , t afy gr mp o l, ilg O t ao lc o t wis ml Uihf 94 o l t af

d mmt lmt f, t afy gr mp o l t ait t af kmlt r ikt o t s fb d , o l t afo r

mwl mppms o t o ml t afy k mlk fgf af' s i pr mguk fr d mr s o x md t af

t r ikcs.

WAF KMV W: Af o s - - Ml t af C@O kmlt r ikt , O

nfb o fvf

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r fkmr go lhs, mr wait fvfr o t wis.

@ . HF IHM[: o hat . s o x - - af k il pr mguk f s o x

t r ikcs.

WAF KMV W: Af siys af' s wo b b o lh t m ib b mw afr t m

gm ib b md afr r fk mr go lhs wo t amut ao ` ilg t afl t ao s wo b b

nfkm f il o ssuf md gi ihfs d mr t r o ib .

@ . HF IHM[: Xfb b - -

WAF KMV W: Wait r fib b y t icfs o t mut md t af

pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml st ilkf.

@ . HF IHM[: Mlb y wafl - - mlb y o d t ao s Kmur t wfr

t m mr gfr t ait af ais t m mr t ait o t wmub g flj mo l ao ` d r m ,

lu nfr mlf, t af so x t r ikcs3 lu nfr t wm, t ait af ais lmt ao lh

t m gm wo t a t af pr m mt o ml mr ilyt ao lh fb s f - -

WAF KMV W: _mu' r f o xo lh fvfr yt ao lh up.

@ . HF IHM[: Lm, O - -

WAF KMV W: _mu' r f o xo lh up t af kmlt r ikt kb io s

ilg t af kisf o t sfb d wo t a t af pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml.

Lmw, t af pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml gfib s wo t a

b o cfb o ammg md sukkfss, wao ka wf ir f put t o lh iso gf d mr

lmw. Mciy=

@ . HF IHM[: Mciy.

WAF KMV W: O t gfib s wo t a o r r fpir inb f air , wao ka

o s wait ymu s iy o s i ij mr o s s uf afr f, afr ino b o t y t m wmr c

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Wafy ir f lmw siyo lh, " Xf ir f b ft t o lh afr wmr c

wo t amut Gr . Bucf. "

@ . HF^IHM[: Wafy' r f lmt siyo lh t ait . Wait ' s

wait O i` siyo lh.

WAF KMV W: Xay lmt =

@ . HF^IHM[: Wait ' s way O sio g " O b b usmr y. "

Nfkiusf wafl af siys "O t ' s i b ir hf km pily, " o t ' s lmt i

b ir hf km pily. Xafl af siys, "O ' ` hmo lh t m aivf lm

o lvmb vf flt , " ib b md t af pfmpb f wam wmub g gm t af t ao lhs

t ait ir f fs sflt o ib t m put t o lh mut i r fkmr g, ib b md t ams f

pfmpb f r fpmr t t m Gr . B ucf. Xafl ymu s io g - -

WAF KMV W: Xfb b , wf' r f lmt t ib co lh inmut put t o lh

mut i r fkmr g, wf' r f t ib co lh inmut waft afr @o ss [fnfr t ais

t m aivf ily kmlt ikt wo t a ao , nfkiusf t ait ' s r fib b y wait

t ao s pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml o s inmut . Ilg t afy ir f wo b b o lh

t m is s ur f afr s af k il r fk mr g wo t amut ily k mlt ik t wo t a

" @r . Hmt t wib g.

@ . HF IHM[: Xfb b , nut t afl, is O siy, t ait st o b

nfk m fs o b b us mr y, o d af' s t af mlf wam o s o l k air hf md t af

k m pily t ait gmfs ib b md t af t ao lhs o l pr mguk o lh. [af k il

r fk mr g. [af k il r fk mr g r o hat lmw o l afr nfgr mm , nut

lmnmgy' s fvfr hmo lh t m afir o t . Uir t md t af o gfi md nfo lh

il ir t o s t , pir t md t af o gfi md t af o r r fpir inb f air ` t ait

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hft s pr m mt fg. Wait ' s t af wamb f s o gf. [m o d o t gmfs l' t>

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ib r figy samwl ny t ao s b o t o hit o ml t ait ao s flghi f afr f o s

t m gfs t r my afr . O clmw ymu t ao lc t ait ' s o r r fb fvilt , nut -

WAF KMV W: O gml' t t ao lc o t ' s o r r fb fvilt , nut O

gml' t t ao lc t ait t afr f o s s uk a i s amwo lh afr f.

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gfko it fs ymur ir hu flt .

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gml' t clmw waft afr t afy' b b pr m mt f o t mr lmt . Ilg o d

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t afy wml' t pr m mt f o t , t afl, yfs , t afy ir f o l nr fik a.

Nut s af - - t afy ir f ib b mwo lh afr t m r fkmr g. _mu' r f

s iyo lh t ait [mly wo b b kut md d o t s mwl lms f t m s po t f o t s

d ik f- - ilg t ait ' s Cf ms inf fk mr gs - - t afy wo b b - - t afy wo b b

lmt pr m mt f t af r fkmr go lhs, fvfl t amuha t afy' vf spflt

o b b o mls md gmb b ir s ib r figy pr m mt o lh afr ilg piyo lh d mr

afr r fk mr go lhs , nmt a lit o mlib b y ilg o lt fr lit o mlib b y. [m

t afy gm aivf i v fs t fg o lt fr fs t o l t ao s . Ilg t afy' r f o l

nuso lfss. Wafy' r f t afr f t m icf mlfy.

@ . HF^IHM[: Ilg - - r o hat . Ilg t afy' vf ib r figy

hmt i vfs t fg o lt fr fs t o l Gr . Bucf. Wafy aivf i $45 o b b o m

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k mlt o lufs t m wmr c, k mlt o lufs t m aivf ir t o s t s , icfs Cfs ai

pib f o l km pir o sml. Waf o gfi t ait ymu' r f siyo lh wafl t afy

kut md d t afo r lms f t m s po t f t afo r d ikf, t afy' vf ib r figy

gmlf t ait , t afy' vf ib r figy put t af sfb vfs o l nfg wo t a

Gr . Bucf t m t af t ulf md $45 o b b o ml. Wafy' r f lmt afr f

m l - -

WAF KMV W: Waf $45 o b b o ml, b ft ' s nf kb fir ,

ymu' r f t ib co lh inmut Cf msinf fkmr gs.


WAF KMV W: Ilg Cf msinf fkmr gs ais o l o t s,

qumt f, ulqumt f, s t inb f mt afr r fk mr go lh ir t o s t s wam ir f

quo t f wfb b clmwl - -


WAF KMV W: - - wam Gr . Bucf wmr cs wo t a.


WAF KMV W: Ilg wafl O siy " Gr . Bucf, " O fil

@r . Hmt t wib g.

@ . HF IHM[: @r . Hmt t wib g.

WAF KMV W: Wait wo b b nf o lt fr kailhfinb f.

@ . HF IHM[: o hat .

WAF KMV W: Nut @o ss [fnfr t o s mlf md t amsf.

Ilg i km pily, pir t o kub ir b y ho vfl t af d ikt t ait

t afs f k m pilo fs ir f lmw, is ymu s iy, t ar ff, t afy' r f vfr y

k m pft o t o vf, t afy ir f b ms o lh ir cft s air f t m i b mt - - t m

st r fi o lh ilg fvfr yt ao lh fb sf. Xay wmub g t afy t icf il



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ir t o st wam o s pmpub ir , wam o s ico lh t af` mlfy ilg lmt

pr m mt f afr wmr c wafl t afy' vf ib r figy o lvfst fg o b b o mls=

@ . HF IHM[: Nfkiusf t afy' r f mnvo musb y ib r figy

f nmb gfl ilg o l nfg wo t a Gr . Bucf. Wait ' s t af pr mnb f .

WAF KMV W: Wafsf ir f kmlkb uso mls ilg spfkub it o ml.

@ . HFÎHM[: Wafy ir fl' t kmlkb uso mls mr

s pfkub it o mls o l t af d ik t t ait af k mlt o lufs t m wmr c, af

kmlt o lufs t m aivf mt afr ir t o s t s ml t af kair t s . Wafy- -

WAF KMV W: Xait gmfs t ait aivf t m gm wo t a t ao s=

@ . HFÎHM[: Nfkiusf af o s inb f t m wmr c, saf o s

lmt inb f t m wmr c.

WAF KMV W: [af o s inb f t m wmr c. Wafy ir f

md d fr o lh afr t af mppmr t ulo t y t m wmr c wo t amut ao .

@ . HFÎHM[: _mu wmub g aivf t m flj mo l ao ` d r m`

Uir ihr ipa 4 md t af md ao s r o hat t m pr mgukf t af s o x.

Wafy' vf ib r figy - -

WAF KMV W: Lm, O gml' t . Af' s ihr ffg lmt t m - - t

ho vf up t ait r o hat lmw, o l d ivmr md gi ihfs it t af t r o ib

@ . HFÎHM[: Xfb b , t afy' vf ib r figy

WAF KMV W: - - o d , o l d ikt , ymu kil pr mvf ymur

kisf.

@ . HFÎHM[: Wafy' vf ib r figy ihr ffg t m t ait ny

t af d ikt t ait t afy' r f sffco lh gi ihfs ilg lmt spfko d o k

pfr d mr ilk f. [m t af d ik t r f io ls t ait t ait ' s ib s m

o b b us mr y. Wafy' vf ib s m b fhib b y ib r figy d mr d fo t fg ily ' r o ha



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t m s iy t ait , nfkius f t afy' vf s io g t afy wilt t m - - t afy' vf

mpt fg mut d mr gi ihfs. Wafy' r f ut uib b y fxkb uso vf

r f fgo fs.

WAF KMV W: Xait gm ymu fil ny " Mpt fg mut " =

@ . HF IHM[: Wafy' vf mpt fg mut ny lmt isco lh d mr

spfko d o k pfr d mr ilkf.

WAF KMV W: [m ymu' r f siyo lh t afy samub g aivf

is cfg t ait O mr gfr afr t m s pfk o d o k ib b y r f kmr g wo t a

Gr . Bucf.

@ . HF IHM[: Wait o s mlf md t afo r r f fgo fs.

WAF KMV W: Lmw, b ist O afir g - - Wao s o s i sfr vo kf

k mlt r ik t 3 b is t O afir g, s b ivfr y wis gmlf iwiy wo t a i b mlh

t o f ihm.

@ . HF IHM[: Xao ka o s fxikt b y way wf' r f afr f,

nfk ius f s af' s ml i pfr s mlib s fr vo k fs kmlt r ik t t ait b is t o l

pfr pft uo t y. Ilg t ait ' s mlf md t af r fis mls - - o t ' s mlf md

t af r fis mls t afy' vf t r o fg s m gfs pfr it fb y t m hft o t o lt m

Lfw _mr c o s nfkiusf t ao s wmub g aivf fxpo r fg o l Kib o d mr lo i.

Wait ' s mlf md t af r fismls t ait t afy ir f - - t afy' vf t r o fg

fvfr yt ao lh pmsso nb f t m hft Lfw _mr c j ur o sgo kt o ml.

WAF KMV W: Xfb b , wio t i o lut f. Waf kmlt r ikt s

t af sfb vfs put vfluf o l Lfw _mr c. Wafsf wfr f afivo b y

lfhmt o it fg k mlt r ik t s , t afr f wfr f b iwyfr s ml nmt a s o gfs .

Waf kmlt r ikt s ir f fxpb o ko t o l st it o lh t ait @o ss [fnfr t aig

afr b iwyfr , C@O aig b iwyfr s, [mly aig b iwyfr s, fvfr ynmgy



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t af lfhmt o it o ml wis t ait vfluf wmub g nf afr f o l Lfw _mr c,

o t wmub g nf Lfw _mr c b iw.

@ . HF IHM[: Lmt d mr t af t mr t kb io s.

WAF KMV W: Lmt d mr wait =

@ . HF IHM[: Lmt d mr t af t mr t kb io s.

WAF KMV W: Wmr t kb io s ir f sm ft ao lh fb sf, ilg w

wo b b aivf t m gfib wo t a t ams f. Ilg O - - ilg, d r ilcb y, t af

t mr t kb io s mr kmult fr kb io s no lg @o ss [fnfr t . Wafy ir f

s t o b b vo inb f o l Kib o d mr lo i3 t afr f' s i s t iy t afr f, t afr f' s

lmt i go s o s s ib ilg t ait ' s ulgfr Kib o d mr lo i b iw. Waf t mr t

kb io s ymu nr o lh afr f ir f Lfw _mr c b iw, wf wo b b gfib wo t a

t ait o l t af go s o s s ib mt o mls . Xf' r f mlb y s pfico lh t m t af

pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml, wao ka o s r fib b y ymu' r f isco lh d mr

fquo t inb f r fb o fd . O l m t afr wmr gs , ymu' r f is co lh d mr t af

Kmur t t m gm t af r o hat t ao lh.


WAF KMV W: _mu' r f isco lh d mr t af Kmur t t m

gfko it f i kmlt r ikt wao ka wis afivo b y lfhmt o it fg ilg so hlf

ny t wm pir t o fs o l il o lgus t r y wafr f t afs f co lgs md

kmlt r ikt s ir f t ypo kib . O t ' s lm go d d fr flt d r m` ib b mt afr

kmlt r ikt s wao ka r fquo r f kfr t io l lu nfr md r fkmr go lhs ilg

r fquo r f fxkb uso vo t y ilg aivf kmpyr o hat s. _mu' r f isco lh f

t m gfk o it f ib b md t ait b iw.

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ulgfr st ilg wait ymur pr mnb f` o s.

@ . HF^IHM[: Xait y pr mnb f` o s t ait t afr f o s

s af' s s ft up t m d io b . Afr ib b fhit o mls ir f s uka t ait t afr f

o s lm wiy t ait t afy ir f hmo lh t m pr m mt f afr , t ait t afy ir

hmo lh t m gm ilyt ao lh fb s f fxk fpt s ft afr up d mr d io b ur f.

WAF KMV W: Gm ymu aivf ily pr mmd md t ait =

@ . HF IHM[: Nfkiusf

WAF KMV W: Wafsf ir f j ust ib b fhit o mls ymu ir f

95 ico lh. _mu' r f lmt ymu' r f lmt s iyo lh t ao s o s hmo lh t m

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aippfl. Ilg t ao s o s i km` fr ko ib vfluf3 y - - y o lst o lkt

o s t m gm t af km` fr ko ib b y r fismlinb f t ao lh ilg t m issu f

t ait nuso lfss pfmpb f ilg kfr t io lb y i nuso lfss b o cf [mly

wo b b gm wait o s o l o t s nfst o lt fr fs t . O t ' s lmt o l o t s nfs

o lt fr fst lmt t m icf mlfy ilg lmt t m pr m mt f i r fkmr go lh

ir t o s t o l wam` t afy - - t afy' vf o lvfs t fg i b mt md mlfy waf

t afy' r f wo b b o lh t m r fk mr g afr r fk mr go lhs . Ir f t afy hmo lh

t m siy, " Xf' r f lmt hmo lh pr m mt f t af " =

@ . HF^IHM[: _fs. Wafy' r f lmt hmo lh t m, nfkiusf

t afy' r f hmo lh t m k amms f Gr . Bucf mvfr afr . Wafy' vf ib r figy

gmlf t ait . Gr . Bucf ais s ufg afr , af' s s ufg afr mt afr ,

af' s sufg afr ilihfr , af' s sufg f, afr b iwyfr . Af ais l

o lt fr fst wait smfvfr o l pr m mt o lh afr . [mly ais lm

o lt fr fs t , t afy' vf k ams fl t m t icf Gr . B ucf vfr s us Cfs ai. [

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@ . HF IHM[: Xfb b , o d O kmub g j ust d o lo sa.

WAF KMV W: O j ust wilt t m - - _mu clmw, b ft f

j ust isc ymu sm ft ao lh: Gr . Bucf ais sufg nisfg upml t af

kmlt r ikt . Af' s - - af wilt s afr t m ino gf ny t af kmlt r ikt .

@ . HF IHM[: Lm, af go gl' t . Af iscfg d mr

gi ihfs : Af go gl' t is c d mr afr t m ino gf ny t af k mlt r ik t .

Ufnf wis lmt o l kmlt r ikt wo t a ao , af sufg Ufnf. Af wisl' t

o l k mlt r ik t wo t a mvfr , af wis l' t o l k mlt r ik t wo t a f. Af

sufg ib b t amsf pfmpb f.

[mly ais ib r figy igf t afo r kamo kf. Xafl ymu

s iy " Xait fvo gflk f, " t af d ik t t ait [mly o s k mlt fs t o lh ib b

md t ao s , [mly o s l' t s iyo lh, " Xf' r f hmo lh t m - - Xf' r f

hmo lh t m t icf ymu mut md t ao s Gr . B ucf, wf' r f hmo lh t m

aivf Cfs ai r fk mr g, " ilg t af d ik t t ait ymu wmub g s iy t ait

t afy' vf - - [mly ais hmt i nus o lfs s o lt fr fs t , t afo r

nuso lfss o lt fr fst o s o l pr m mt o lh Gr . Bucf, nfkiusf af' s

t afo r ao t icfr , lmt Cfs ai. Cfs ai' s nffl ml o k f d mr t wm

yfirs .

Waf o gfi t ait sm famw t ait ymu t ao lc t ait t af

km` fr ko ib b y r fismlinb f t ao lh t ait [mly o s hmo lh t m gm o s

pr m mt f Cfsai, wam' s ico lh ib b fhit o mls, b ur o g

ib b fhit o mls md sfxuib inusf ihio lst Gr . Bucf, ilg t ait

Gr . Bucf ilg [mly ir f hmo lh t m t afl pr m mt f afr t m ho vf

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o t k mub gl' t aippfl o l t af r fib o t y md i nus o lfs s wmr b g.

WAF KMV W: O t ao lc - - Dr ilcb y, O kil' t . Wao s o s

i kmur t md b iw3 wf aivf t m icf gfko so mls nisfg upml d ikt s

lmt ml d ilt isy ilg spfkub it o ml, wao ka o s wait ymu' r f gmo lh

Do r s t md ib b , [mly go g lmt nr o lh ily k is f

ihio ls t - - ihio ls t @o s s [fnfr t . @o s s [fnfr t nr muhat i

k is f ihio ls t [mly. Wait ' s t af mlb y r fis ml [mly o s afr f.

Ilg t afy' r f is co lh t m hft mut md t ao s . Wafy gml' t wilt

t m nf afr f. Lmr go g Cf msinf fkmr gs nr o lh i kisf

ihio lst @o ss [fnfr t . @o ss [fnfr t nr muhat i kisf ihio lst

t af . [m ymu aivf ib r figy o s s t i t fg t af d ik t s .

@ . HF^IHM[: Lm. Waf d ik t s - - _ mur Amlmr , t af

d ikt s ir f t ait t afy s ufg afr f. Wafy s ufg afr f o l Lfw _mr c

WAF KMV W: Xam o s " Wafy" = _mu kil' t siy " Wafy"

ilg r fd fr t m fvfr ynmgy.

@ . HF IHM[: Mciy.

WAF KMV W: _mu gm t ao s o l ymur km pb io lt ib sm.

@ . HF IHM[: O ' ` r fd fr r o lh t m Hmt t wib g ilg ao s

flt o t o fs sufg afr f.

WAF KMV W: Nut [mly ilg Cf msinf fkmr gs go g lmt

_mu kil' t pio lt t af` ib b wo t a t af si f nr usa.

@ . HF IHM[: Fxkfpt t ait t afy ir f o l nfg wo t a ml

ilmt afr , is t af Kmur t s t it fg o lo t o ib b y. Ilg Cf ms inf ilg

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@ . HF^IHM[: Xfb b , t afy' r f o l - - t afy aivf i

r fb it o mlsao p suka t ait t afr f' s i $45 o b b o ml o lvfst flt ,

t afy aivf i r fb it o mlsao p wafr f - - wafr fny [mly ais kamsfl

t m hm wo t a Gr . Bucf. O d ymu s iy o t ' s d ilt is t o kib , t afl

wait O wmub g is c t af Kmur t d mr o s wait - - wf k o t fg t af

WAF KMV W: Xay wmub g t afy gfst r my Gr . Bucf ny

pr m mt o lh Cfsai= Mlf t ao lh ais lmt ao lh t m gm wo t a ilmt afr .

@ . HF^IHM[: O wmub g suhhfst t ait o t o s sm fwait

lio vf t m t ao lc t ait t afy' vf hmt i - - ilg O wmub g put J ugy

[wo gb fr ml t af st ilg, wam o s i b iwyfr it [mly wam ais igf

s t it f flt s , O kil r fpr fs flt mr pr md d fr t m t af Kmur t t ait

s af o s i b iwyfr d mr [mly, t ait s af ais s t i t fg punb o k b y t ai

t afy ir f - - t ait t afy ir f b o t fr ib b y o l s uppmr t md Bucf o l

t ao s k mlt fs t .


mt afr t wm k is fs afr f, t af Mic fk mr gs k is f ilg t af W afl

k is f, O ' g is c d mr il fvo gflt o ir y afir o lh.

[m, O fil, o d t af Kmur t wilt s d ik t s t afl b ft ' s

hft [mly' s pfmpb f afr f, b ft ' s hft Gr . Bucf afr f, b ft f

put t af` ml t af st ilg ilg b ft f gm i krmss fxi o lit o ml

sm t ait wf ir fl' t spfkub it o lh, sm t ait wf ir fl' t flhiho lh

o l d ilt is y. Nfk ius f t af d ikt r f io ls t ait t af o gfi t ait

sm famw [mly o s hmo lh t m pr m mt f Cfsai sfpir it f ilg ipir t

d r m` gfst r myo lh Gr . Bucf gmfsl' t icf ily sflsf d r m` i

nuso lfss st ilgpmo lt .

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t ao s wm il. O d t ait wfr f t af kis f - - O aivf

@ . HFÎHM[: O kil' t , nfkiusf saf' s go vfr sf.

WAF KMV W: O aivf 95 o lkafs md pipfr afr f ilg

t afr f o s lmt ao lh o l t ams f pipfr s d r m` ymu s iyo lh t ao s .

@ . HFÎHM[: _fs- -

WAF KMV W: Wao s o s nr ilg lfw ilg o t ais lmt ao lh

it ib b t m gm wo t a ilyt ao lh. Dr ilcb y, O gml' t - - O gml' t

ulgfr s t ilg. Wafy ir f wo b b o lh t m ib b mw afr t m r fkmr g, t afy

spflt o b b o mls, ilg O j ust gml' t ulgfr st ilg way ymu lmw si

t ait t afy wml' t pr m mt f o t . Wafy s pflt $99 o b b o ml it mlf

pmo lt ml Cfs ai. _mu' r f t ib co lh inmut 45 o b b o ml. Ilg t af

o b b o mls md gmb b ir s mr f o lt fr lit o mlib b y ilg d mr mt afr

d mr mt afr o ssufs. Xay wmub g t afy o hlmr f t amsf o b b o mls md

gmb b ir s ilg lmt pr m mt f afr r fkmr go lhs wafl saf kil icf

t af` mlfy=

@ . HFÎHM[: Nfkiusf o t ' s i gr mp o l t af nukcft

km pir fg t m wait t af - - wait t af i mult md mlfy t ait o s

hflfr it fg ny Gr . Bucf mr Bucis z Hmt t wib g. [m t afr f o s l' t

fvfl i r f mt f km pir o sml. [af aisl' t hflfr it fg ilyt ao lh.

Ilg t af i mult md mlfy t ait ymu - - t ait ymu' r f siyo lh t ai

t afy spflt wis ib sm md d sft ny wait saf wis hflfr it o lh it

t af t o f. [af ais t af o r r fpir inb f o lj ur y, wao ka o s. wait

t af d o r s t b fhib ir hu flt t ait wf aivf t m gfib wo t a o s , t ai

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hmfs ml ao s fr r y wiy wao b f saf gmfs lmt . Waf o b b usmr y

WAF KMV W: [af' s ho vfl t af mppmr t ulo t y lmw t m hm

ml afr fr r y wiy, is ymu s iy, ilg t m gm fxik t b y wait s af' s

is co lh t m gm.

@ . HF^IHM[: Xfb b , lm. Nfkiusf ib b af' s gmo lh o

s iyo lh - - t r yo lh t m nis o k ib b y k r fit f il o b b us mr y s o t uit o ml

wafr f t afy s iy, " Xfb b , ymu gml' t aivf t m nf wo t a f. O ' b b

ihr ff lmw t ait O wml' t gm t af s o x - - so x t r ikcs t ait

O ' ` - - " k mlt r ik t uib b y s af' s mnb o hit fg t m. Ilg t afr f ' s lm

o lk flt o vf, o l d ik t t afr f' s i go s o lk flt o vf d mr afr t m nfk m f

pmpub ir it t ao s pmo lt ilg d mr ao ` t m pr m mt f.

_mu' r f st o b b t fb b o lh afr t ait saf' s hmt t m

r fk mr g wo t a t af vfr y s i f flt o t y t ait ' s k mlt r mb b fg

955 pfr k flt ny ao ` wam o s t af inus fr . Wait o s wait t af

pr mnb f` o s.

WAF KMV W: _mur ir hu flt o s t ait saf killmt

payso kib b y wmr c wo t a Hmt t wib g nfkiusf saf ais ib b md t afsf

o ssufs.

Ny t af wiy, ilg t ao s o s i - - O ' vf lmt o kfg o l

r figo lh, ilg O aivf mt afr - - ib b t afs f mt afr mt o mls ilg

O ' vf aig mt afr mt o mls o l t ao s k is f, s m O ' vf r fig d fft ,

. d fft md pipfr s . Ilg O ' ` - - ymu clmw, t ait ' s amw ily

pipfr s aivf nffl afr f. Wafr f o s lmt mlf po fk f md pipfr

d r m` i gmk t mr s iyo lh t ao s . Nut t ait ' s nfs o gfs t af pmo lt .

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lmt ao lh afr f. Nut t ait o s l' t t af o s suf afr f. Waf

o s suf - -

@ . HF^IHM[: O t o s t af o ssuf.

WAF KMV W: Ub fisf.

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is co lh f t m pr fs u f t ait il flt o t y s uk a is

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lmt hmo lh t m wilt t m icf mlfy ml t afo r o lvfst flt ,

ymu' r f isco lh f t m issu f t ait t afy, wam mwl Cf msinf

fk mr gs - - ilg O k il' t nfb o fvf t ait Hmt t wib g k il o hlmr f

wait t afy is c ao ` t m gm mr t ait t afy k il' t t icf mvfr ilg

pr m mt f afr 3 t afr f ir f pb flt y md pfmpb f wam wmr c o l [mly

wam wmr c d mr Cf msinf mt afr t ail Hmt t wib g - - ymu' r f

isco lh f t m issu f t ait t afy wml' t wilt t m pr m mt f afr

r fkmr go lhs , wao k a o s ilmt afr - - ilmt afr o s suf. Nut t af

r fib o s suf afr f, ilg t ar muhamut t af kis f, t ao s ais nffl i

t ar fig, o s t ait saf siys saf killmt wmr c wo t a Hmt t wib g.

Lmw saf' s nfo lh ho vfl t af mppmr t ulo t y t m wmr c wo t amut

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t afy aivf mpt fg d mr o t ny mlb y is co lh d mr gi ihfs . [fk mlg

md ib b , o l t af - - d mb b mwo lh up wo t a wait ymur ir hu flt o s ,

wis t af r fis ml t ait O s flt t af b ft t fr , way O hivf t af

suppb f flt ib wafr f wf sio g, " Wao s o s wait wf' b b gm, b ft

[mly b ft afr r fk mr g, " ilg t afo r r fs pmls f, nmt a ny [mly ilg

Bucf wis, "Xf kit fhmr o kib b y r fj fkt t ait . "

WAF KMV W: Xfb b , ymu' r f isco lh t ait saf r fkmr g

wo t a k m pft o t mr s md [mly, ilg t afy r fj fk t fg t ait .

@ . HF^IHM[: Lm, lm. Xf aivf it ib b t o fs

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afr am f, s m t m s pfic, t m nf it [mly. Wait ' s wafr f s af

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s mb vf o t , ilg way gmfs l' t t af d ik t wafl t afy s iy, " Xf

kit fhmr o kib b y r fj fkt fvfr yt ao lh t ait ymu' vf pmso t fg t mgiy, "

o s wait t afy' vf f nr ikfg, t afy kit fhmr o kib b y r fj fkt fg,

wao ka o s way wf d o b fg o t o l t af suppb f flt ib .

WAF KMV W: [m ymu' r f siyo lh ymu wmub g ihr ff d mr

afr t m r fk mr g ulgfr t af ius po k fs md [mly.


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ulgfr t af C@O k mlt r ik t . [m wait fvfr t af C@O k mlt r ik t

pr mvo gfs wo b b nf t af piy flt , nut ir f ymu ihr ffo lh t ait

s af - - t ait s af wmub g ihr ff t m r fk mr g ulgfr [mly=

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WAF KMV W: Ilg t ait t af piy flt s, t amuha, wmub g

nf ulgfr C@O kmlt r ikt .

@ . HFÎHM[: Uiy flt s kil km f - - t afy kil km f

d r m` ml ao ha d mr ib b O k ir f inmut . Ilg wf' vf igf t af

md d fr t ait s af kil r fkmr g wo t a [mly. O ' vf t ib cfg wo t a t af

ao hafs t b fvfb s it [mly. Wait ' s way t af b ft t fr wis s flt ,

t ait ' s way wf d o b fg t af suppb f flt ib .

WAF KMV W: Xfb b , o t gmfsl' t b mmc b o cf t ait wis

t af b ft t fr . Nut b ft f afir d r m` t af mt afr s o gf ml t ait

mlf.

@ . HF IHM[: Mciy.

@[. BFUFÎ: Wailc ymu, _mur Amlmr .

Xf r fpr fsflt Gr . Bucf Hmt t wib g, Cisz @mlfy,

Ur fskr o pt o ml [mlhs ilg Cf msinf Flt frt io l flt .

Is _mur Amlmr k mr r fk t b y - -

WAF KMV W: Cffp ymur vmo kf up, pb fisf.

@[. BFUFÎ: _fs.

Is _mur Amlmr k mr r fk t b y lmt fg, @r . Hmt t wib g o s

t af pr fso gflt ilg KFM md Cf msinf fkmr gs, i wamb b y mwlfg

s uns o go ir y. B ft f k ut r o hat t m t af k ais f wo t a r fs pfk t

t m t af b it t fr o s s uf t ait wis go s kus s fg:

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fssflt o ib b y gflugo lh ilg r fwr o t o lh i ub t o t ugf md

kmlt r ikt s wao ka Cisz @mlfy flt fr fg o lt m st ir t o lh wo t a afr

up t ar muha ^KI, ib b md wao ka wis isso hlfg t m i lfw [mly

b infb , Cf msinf fkmr gs. Waf kmpyro hat s aivf nffl

t r ils d fr r fg ups t r fi , nut Cis z @mlfy s t o b b ais t af

o lo t o ib t r ils d fr ilg r o hat t m t ait .

Wafr f o s insmb ut fb y lm niso s d mr t af r fwr o t o lh

md ily k mlt r ikt s t m t fr o lit f i r fb it o mls ao p o l i

ub t o - kmlt r ikt , km` fr ko ib b y smulg ilg ippr mpr o it f

nuso lfss r fb it o mlsao p wafl t af mlb y o ssuf o s r fib b y inmut

pr mgukt o ml.

Waf pr mgukt o ml o l i st ugo m - -

WAF KMV W: Xfb b , b ft f isc ymu t ao s: - -

@[. BFUFÎ: [ur f.

WAF KMV W: Xmub g t afr f nf i pr mnb f` wo t a afr

r fkmr go lh it [mly ulgfr t af Cf msinf b infb ilg pfr o t t o lh

[mly t m t icf mvfr pr m mt o ml, ft k ft fr i, wo t a - - ib b ulgfr

t af t flt md Cf msinf=

@[. BFUFÎ: Cf msinf fkmr gs. Xfb b , t ait o s

fxik t b y wafr f t ao lhs ir f. [m t afr f o s lm k ailhf t ait o s

r fquo r fg. O l mt afr wmr gs , t af r fb it o mls ao p - -

WAF KMV W: Xfb b , t afy' r f isco lh d mr t af

supfr vo so ml md pfmpb f it [mly r it afr t ail it Cf msinf.

@[. BFUFÎ: Waf pr mnb f` wo t a t ait , _mur Amlmr , o

fssflt o ib b y wait ymu' r f siyo lh ilg wait t afy' r f suhhfst o lh,



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wo t amut ily b fhib niso s, wo t amut ily b fhib iut amr o t y,

wo t amut ily nr fika md kmlt r ikt kb io , o s t ait sm famw mr

ilmt afr [mly, Cf msinf fkmr gs o s lmt hmo lh t m gm i j mn o l

pr m mt o lh r fkmr go lhs t ait ir f gfb o vfr fg so pb y nfkiusf t af

aivf i KFM. Vb t o it fb y af ais b fhib mnb o hit o mls t m [mly t

d ub d o b b . Ilg t afr f ir f ub t o pb f k mlt r ik t uib r fb it o mls ao ps

t ait ir f lmt fvfl pir t md t ao s r fkmr g wao ka o lvmb vf - -

wao ka o d go s ilt b fg o l t ait d isao ml wmub g krfit f go sr upt o ml

ilg o r r fpir inb f air ` t m y k b o flt s - -

WAF KMV W: Amw=

@[. BFUFÎ: - - ilg [mly.

WAF KMV W: Amw=

@[. BFUFÎ: Wafr f wmub g nf fd d fkt o vfb y nr fika md

kmlt r ikt .

WAF KMV W: Xfb b , lm, t afy wmub g st o b b nf afb g t m

t af k mlt r ik t . Nis o k ib b y wait O ' ` s uhhfs t o lh o s Cf m- - - o t

wmub g st o b b nf t af Cf msinf b infb

@[. BFUFÎ: o hat .

WAF KMV W: - - saf wmub g nf r fkmr go lh it [mly ilg

[mly wmub g aivf sm f mvfr so hat . Nut niso kib b y o t wmub g

s t o b b nf ib b gmlf ulgfr t af k mpyr o hat s o l pb ik f, ulgfr t af

k mlt r ik t s md C@O t ait ir f o l pb ik f, s af wmub g hft t af mlfy

pr mvo gfg ulgfr t af C@O ilg t af Ur fs kr o pt o ml k mlt r ik t s , nut

[mly wmub g aivf mr f mvfrs o hat .

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pr fko sfb y, nut afr f wait wf aivf o s i so t uit o ml wafr f wf

aivf - - Ilg, ny t af wiy, O aivf t m s iy, t ao s wamb f k mlk fpt

inmut t af d io b ur f t m pr m mt f ilg t af spfkub it o ml, wait wf

aivf t m hm nikc t m afr f o s t ait - - ilg O wo b b hm t ar muha

t af ao s t mr y md o t , O t ao lc o t ' s vfr y o pmr t ilt t m lmt f

t ao s - - t ait wafl Cfsai wis go skmvfr fg ny y kb o flt saf wi

lm mlf. [af b fd t ao . [af niso kib b y gfko gfg saf wis hmo lh

t m s ffc t m t fr o lit f t af k mlt r i kt , s af is sfr t fg vihuf

ib b fhit o mls md inus f nik c t afl o l >554 t m hft mut md t af

kmlt r ikt . Wao s o s ib b inmut - - t ao s o s ib b t ao s o s inmut .

Wafl wafl t ait go gl' t wmr c ilg saf kmub gl' t hft i lfw gfib

saf wflt nikc t m y kb o flt . Lmt wo t ast ilgo lh aivo lh igf

t amsf amr r o d o k, ib nfo t vihuf ilg ulsuppmr t fg ib b fhit o mls,

km pb ft fb y d ib sf, t afy igf afr d i mus. [m t ao s wamb f

k mlk fpt inmut t ao s r ft r o nut o ml t ait o s t mt ib b y nfb o fg o l

d ik t k mlt r ir o b y s uppmr t fg ny t ao s vfr y kb fir r fk mr g md afr

sukkfss nfkiusf md wait af go g. [af' s mlb y afr f nfkiusf m

t ait t r ij fkt mr y ilg t ait C@O kmlt r ikt t ait nft t fr fg afr it

fvfr y s t fp md t af wiy. Ilg lmw

WAF KMV W: Bft f isc ymu t ao s: Xait ir f ymu

md d fr o lh lmw=

@[. BFUF^I: Wafr f' s - - afr f' s - - wf' r f afr f t m

siy t ao s pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml ust nf gflo fg ml o t s d ikf

Waf mlb y kmult fr kb io ` - -

WAF KMV W: Xait o s t af kmult fr md d fr = _mu aig - -



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O l ymur pipfr s ymu s iy ymu ir f wo b b o lh t m ib b mw afr t m

r fkmr g wo t amut ily o lvmb vf flt md Gr . Bucf.

@[. BFUFÎ: _fs . Bft f - - Bft f j us t fxpb io l

tait.

WAF KMV W: Xait gm ymu fil ny t ait fxikt b y=

@[. B FUFÎ: Mciy. [m t af C@O k mlt r ik t o s il

fxk b us o vf r fk mr go lh k mlt r ik t . O t ' s lmt il fxk b us o vf

pr mgukt o ml ihr ff flt . Ilg amw t ao s nuso lfss wmr cs o s t ait

i pr mgukfr hmfs o lt m t af s t ugo m wo t a t af ir t o s t - - i

s fpir it f s t ugo m, o t ' s lmt o l il md d o kf nuo b go lh o t ' s lmt o

@r . , ymu clmw, Hmt t wib g' s md d o kf it t af [mly nuo b go lh.

Wafy kr fit f r fkmr go lhs. Wamsf r fkmr go lhs ir f t af pr mpfr t y

md C@O mr o ho lib b y, up t af d mmg kaio l lmw t m Cf msinf

fkmr gs. Wafy ir f gfb o vfr fg t m [mly ilg t af Cf msinf b inf

hr mup, km pr o sfg md ily go d d fr flt pfmpb f, wam aivf lmt ao lh

nut , is _mur Amlmr pr mpfr b y put o t mut , t af o lk flt o vf t m

icf mlfy ml t ao s. Wafy pikcihf o t , t afy gff` o t

k m` fr k o ib b y s it o s d ik t m r y, t afy pr m mt f o t , ft k ft fr i.

WAF KMV W: Ilg, ny t af wiy, [mly o s i punb o kb y

afb g kmr pmr it o ml=

@[. BFUFÎ: Wait ' s i qufs t o ml d mr [mly. O

nfb o fvf sm.

@ . FGFB@IL: _fs, _mur Amlmr .

WAF KMV W: Ilg ais ilg mwfs i gut y t m o t s

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WAF KMV W: - - t m icf mlfy. I` O kmr r fkt =

@[. BFUFÎ: _fs . Ilg

WAF KMV W: Ilg samub g t afy lmt ikt o l i wiy t afy

ir f s uppms fg t m ik t

@[. BFUF I: o hat .

WAF KMV W: - - t afy ir f mpfl t m suo t .

@[. BFUFÎ: Ib s m ny @o s s [fnfr t , o d afr

r f kmr go lhs ir f nis o k ib b y t ar m wl o l t af t mo b ft . Wait ' s lmt

wait ' s nffl aippflo lh ilg o t ' s b ugo krmus t m suhhfst o t .

[m afr f ' s t af pmo lt wo t a r fs pfk t t m t af

go d d fr flkf nft wffl t af fxkb uso vf r fkmr go lh ilg

pr mguk t o ml: Waf s o x t r ikcs ml t af pr mguk t o ml s o gf, is

_mur Amlmr kmr r fkt b y pmo lt fg mut ib sm, ilg o s km pb ft fb y

o lkmlso st flt wo t a t afo r ir hu flt , ymu k il' t s uf d mr

s pfk o d o k pfr d mr ilk f md i pfr s mlib s fr vo k f k mlt r ik t o l

Lfw _mr c. Wafr f' s lm fb fkt o ml md r f fgy t ait wf go gl' t

s uf d mr s pfk o d o k pfr d mr ilk f, s m, t afr fd mr f, wf' vf ho vfl

up t af fxkb uso vo t y mnb o hit o ml.

WAF KMV W: _mu kil' t d mr kf sm fmlf t m wmr c - -

@[. BFUFÎ: o hat .

WAF KMV W: - - o l i so t uit o ml o l wao ka t afy gml' t

wilt t m wmr c.

@[. BFUFÎ: o hat .

WAF KMV W: O t ' s sb ivfr y. _mu kil' t . gm t ait .



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@[. BFUF^I: Kmr r fk t . Ilg wf lfvfr s muhat t ait .

Xf so pb y smuhat t ait , ilg wf kmlt o luf t m io lt io l, t ait

t af fxkb uso vo t y mnb o hit o ml io lt io lfg o s o l d mr kf ilg

fd d fk t d r m` afr t m C@O , C@O t afl flt fr fg o lt m mnb o hit o mls

t ait o t ais t m d ub d o b b wo t a t af [mly km pily ilg t ait

ub t o it fb y t afr f wfr f iggo t o mlib k mlt r ik t s hmo lh up t m

Cf msinf fkmr gs, ilg af ais mnb o hit o mls t m d ub d o b b t ait .

Ilg, ymu clmw, sm ib b md t afsf vfr y km` fr ko ib b y r fismlinb f

kmlt r ikt s ust r f io l o l pb ikf. Wafr f' s insmb ut fb y zfr m

nis o s d mr ily fd d mr t t m r fwr o t f i s o lhb f t ao lh afr f, ilg

o t ' s so pb y i km pb ft fb y spfkub it o vf kmlkb uso ml t ait

sm ft ao lh o s hmo lh t m hm iwr y.

Wafr f' s lmt i nr fika md kmlt r ikt kb io ` ny

@o s s [fnfr t o l t af flt o r f k is f o l ilypb ik f o l ily k mur t .

Mciy= [m ily t o f t afr f' s fvfr nffl - - ilg t af k is fs

t ait ir f k o t fg ny pb io lt o d d ' s k muls fb - - ny @o s s [fnfr t ' s

kmulsfb d mr - - ymu clmw, kaib b flho lh md fxkb uso vo t y

pr mvo s o mls ir f mlb y wafl t afr f' s nffl i nr fik a ny t af

mt afr pir t y d io b o lh t m ikkmult , r fd us o lh t m wilt t m

gfb o vfr

WAF KMV W: Wait wis t af b mwfr kmur t Lfw _mr c

kisf.

@[. BFUF^I: Waf b mwfr - - t afr f' s mlb y t wm mr

t ar ff kis fs - -

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@[. BFUF^I: - - t ait t afy k o t f, ib b k m pb ft fb y

go st o lhuo sainb f - -

WAF KMV W: Wafr f ir f t wm kis fs t afy ko t f. Ilg

vfr y go d d fr flt .

@[. BFUF^I: @o b st fig ilg Wafl. Nmt a vfr y

go d d fr flt , nmt a k m pb ft fb y go s t o lhuo s ainb f. Wafr f' s lmt i

s o lhb f pr fgo k it f o l ily md t afs f pipfr s - - Ny t af wiy, t af

flt o r f ulgfr po llo lh d mr b o cfb o ammg md sukkfss ml t af fr o t s

md t ao s k is f o s t ait wf s ufg d mr gi ihfs ilg t afr fny

r fb o lquo safg mur fxkb uso vo t y pr mvo so ml, wao ka o s, md

kmur s f, lmt t r uf. Wafy nis o kib b y s iy wf aig t m s uf d mr

s pfk o d o k pfr d mr ilk f o l m r gfr t m aivf lmt wio vfg t ait , nut

ymu kil' t suf d mr spfko d o k pfr d mr ilkf t m r fquo r f sm fmlf

t m hm gm s m ft ao lh. [m wait wf go g o s wf s io g t af k mlt r ik t

r f io ls o l d ub b d mr k f ilg fd d fk t , wf s ufg d mr gi ihfs d mr

nr fik a t m git f, o lk b ugo lh d mr d io b ur f t m gfb o vfr k fr t io l

r myib t o fs t ait ir f guf ml fr kailgo so lh ilg pfr d mr ilkfs m

il ilk o b b ir y nis o s , d mr d io b o lh t m gfb o vfr s mlhs t m

Urfskr o pt o ml.

Wafy km f o l ilg t afy siy t ait wf sm famw

wio vfg, ymu clmw, ny d io b o lh t m s uf d mr s pfk o d o k

pfr d mr ilk f. Waf b iw o l Lfw _mr c' s vfr y k b fir t m t af

kmlt r ir y , wf ko t fg o t fxt fls o vfb y o l mur nr o fd , t afy ir f

lmt o lk mls o s t flt r f fgo fs , t afy ir f nmt a, is t af k mur t s

s iy, o l d ur t afr ilk f md pr m mt o lh ilg vib o git o lh t af



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kmlt r ikt . Wait o s t af mlb y kb io . I gfkb ir it mr y

j ugh flt , o t ' s i t fkalo kib o t y. Ib b md t afsf km` flt s o l

afr f inmut t afs f inus f ib b fhit o mls , ib b md wao k a ir f

k m pb ft fb y, o l d ik t , nfb o fg, O ' ` hmo lh t m hft o lt m

t ait - -

WAF KMV W: Xfb b , b ft ' s j ust gfib wo t a t af

pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml.

@[. BFUF^I: Nut t afy' vf r io sfg t ait , _mur Amlmr ,

ilg O us t iggr fs s o t , nfk ius f t afr f o s lm k b io `

ulgfr po llo lh t ao s pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml ml t af b o cfb o ammg

md sukkfss ml t af fr o t s nut d mr i gfkb ir it mr y j ugh flt

t ait wf wio vfg sm ft ao lh. O t ' s i t fkalo kib ir hu flt t ait

o s wr mlh ulgfr t af b iw. [m mlkf ymu r f mvf b o cfb o ammg md

sukkfss ml t af fr o t s, lmw ymu' r f gfib o lh wo t a o r r fpir inb f

air . O r r fpir inb f air ` - - t af o r r fpir inb f air ` o s t ait s a

s iys s af k il' t wmr c wo t a Gr . Bucf, wao k a O t ao lc o s

km pb ft fb y ulsuppmr t fg ny t af r fkmr g, nut , amwfvfr , t ait ' s

mmt fg, nfkiusf ub t o it fb y t afr f' s lm pr mgukt o ml r fquo r fg.

Waf r fkmr go lh ais t m nf gfb o vfr fg t m i [mly- mwlfg b infb ,

ilg af killmt nf gf mt fg mr t icfl mut md pmso t o ml, t afr f' s

lm nis o s d mr gmo lh s m.

WAF KMV W: Nut ymu' r f wo b b o lh t m ib b mw afr t m

r fkmr g wo t amut ao .

@[. BFUF^I: _fs. Xfb b , t ait ' s t af pr mgukt o ml.

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WAF KMV W: o hat .

@[. BFUFÎ: _fs. Ur mgukf wo t amut ao .

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WAF KMV W: _fs. O ulgfr st ilg. Waf pr mgukt o ml.

@[. BFUFÎ: _fs.

WAF KMV W: _mu' r f wo b b o lh t m ib b mw afr t m pr mgukf

wo t amut ao .

@[. BFUFÎ: Xf sio g t ait kb fir b y o l t af pipfr s.

WAF KMV W: Ilg o t wmub g sff` t m ulgfr k ut t af

o r r fpir inb f air ` ir hu flt .

@[. BFUFÎ: Km pb ft fb y. Lmt t m flt o ml - - _mu

clmw, lmt t m flt o ml t af pmo lt inmut afr lmt nfo lh inb f t m

wmr c o s t af mlb y mt afr ir hu flt t ait t afy aivf. Ilg s af

mnvo musb y, wf nfb o fvf, o s kammso lh t m gm t ait ny lmt

gfb o vfr o lh r fkmr go lhs, ny lmt gfb o vfr o lh smlhs wafl saf' s

mnb o hit fg t m gm s m. [af' s mut t afr f nfo lh inb f t m pfr d mr .

O t ' s i qufs t o ml md gfhr ff. [m t ao s wamb f, " [af' s nffl put

ml o k f d mr t wm yfir s " o s s mb fb y md afr mwl k amms o lh.

Wafr f' s lm mt afr o r r fpir inb f air ` ir hu flt t ait

t afy aivf. Ilg O t ao lc _mur Amlmr o s kmr r fkt ml t af

nib ilk f md t af fquo t o fs , nfk ius f t ams f ir f t af mlb y t wm

ir hu flt s t ait s af ais t af r f st d ib b ml mur s o gf, ilg

wait ymu' vf hmt o s ymu' vf hmt gfd flgilt s nfo lh put o l i

pms o t o ml md nfo lh s uns t ilt o ib b y air fg o l ib b md t afs f

yfir s md hmmg wo b b , fkmlm o k o lvfst o t ur f, t af wamb f - -

t af wamb f pmo lt md nfo lh - - ymu clmw, nfo lh r fb o fvfg md



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kmlt r ikt uib r o hat s ilg kmpyr o hat s . Ilg O gm hm nikc t m

t ait pmo lt , nfk ius f t afy' r f is co lh t m o lvib o git f

k mlt r ik t s t ait k mlt io l k mpyr o hat t r ils d fr s . Wao s Kmur t

kil' t o lvib o git f t afs f kmlt r ikt s . O t ' s i - - t af r fqufs t

o s pr ff pt fg ulgfr t af Kmld b o kt Ur ff pt o ml Kb iusf, lmt

;59 md t af Kmpyr o hat Ik t , is t afy o s t icflb y k o t f, nut

ymu k il' t t fr o lit f i k mlt r ik t t ait k mlt io ls i k mpyr o hat

t r ils d fr . Ilg s af' s gmlf t ait . Ilg wf - - ilg mur

k b o flt s aivf md d t af d mmg k aio l r fb o fg ml t ams f k mpyr o hat

t r ils d fr s ilg gfb o vfr fg t af` up. Ilg s m t ams f aivf t m nf

io lt io lfg.

[m t af r fb o fd t ait t afy' r f r fqufs t o lh o l t ao s

vfr y nr mig, vfr y o lippr mpr o it f o lj ulk t o ml, o s lmt

sust io linb f. Ur fskr o pt o ml [mlhs' ilgit mr y o lj ulkt o ml

r fqufst , so pb y lmt sust io linb f ulgfr t af st ilgir gs ilg

t af nur gfl t ait ' s r fquo r fg md s uka - - md s uka r fb o fd

afr f.

[m ml fvfr y so lhb f pr mlh, d r m` b o cfb o ammg md

s uk kfs s ml t af fr o t s , t m o r r fpir inb f air , t m nib ilk f md

t af fquo t o fs , t afr f o s ins mb ut fb y lm nis o s d mr t ao s

o lj ulk t o ml ilg o t wmub g nf i s fr o mus pr mnb f` d mr t af

gfd flgilt s s amub g ily pir t md o t nf - -

WAF KMV W: Bft f afir d r m` [mly.

>7 @[. BFUF^I: - - flt fr t io lfg. Wailc ymu.

>6 @ . FGFB@IL: Hmmg mr lo lh, _mur Amlmr . [kmt t



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Fgfb il md Ho nsml, Gull ml nfaib d md [mly.

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_mur Amlmr , wf' r f afr f o l i ulo quf pmso t o ml. Is

ymu pmo lt fg mut , wf aivf lm kb io s t ait wf' vf issfr t fg o l

t ao s kisf, fo t afr Cf msinf ^fkmr gs mr [mly @uso k. Ilg,

t af k iusf md ik t o ml ml wao k a t af o lj ulk t o ml o s

pr fgo k it fg, t af d o r s t k ius f md ik t o ml, wao b f o t gmfs

lm o lib b y li f [mly @uso k, Cf msinf fkmr gs, o t ikt uib b y

sffcs t m fld mr k f t af issflt , t af ihr ff flt ny wao k a saf

ihr ffs t m r fkmr g wo t a [mly ^fkmr gs.

Waf niso s md t ao s o lj ulkt o ml pur pmr t s t m nf il

fb fkt o ml md r f fgo fs o l wao ka [mly @uso k ilg Cf msinf

^fkmr gs aivf mnvo musb y lmt flhihfg, nfkiusf wf aivfl' t

d o b fg i kb io ` ihio lst @o ss [fnfr t .

[m t afr f r fib b y o s lm niso s, wafl ymu b mmc it

t af d r i fwmr c md amw wf' r f nfd mr f _mur Amlmr , t m fvfl

kmlso gfr il o lj ulkt o ml ihio lst Cf msinf ^fkmr gs ilg [mly

@uso k, nfkiusf t afr f' s lm fb fkt o ml md r f fgo fs ml wao ka

t ao s flt o r f UO pur pmr t s t m nf nis fg.

wo t a r fspfkt t m ymur qufst o ml inmut

km` fr ko ib - - km` fr ko ib r fismlinb flfss ilg amw [mly

@uso k ilg Cf msinf ^fkmr gs wo b b ikt o l t ao s so t uit o ml:

Xf wfr f is kb fir is wf kmub g nf, t ar muha t af gfkb ir it o ml

md Gilo fb Zuk cfr , wam o s t af fxfk ut o vf vo k f pr fso gflt - ]

WAF KMV W: @r . Zukcfr gmfs put o l i - - i vfr y

r mnust id d o givo t .



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U^MKFFGO LH[ ;4

@ . FGFB@IL: Ilg wf spflt i b mt md t o f ml o t ,

_mur Amlmr , nmt a t m gft io b t af o r r fpir inb f air ` t ait [mly

@uso k ilg Cf msinf fkmr gs wmub g sud d fr aivo lh o lvfst fg is

uka mlfy is t afy go g o l wait o s fssflt o ib b y il ^&G

nuso lfss t m suppmr t lfw irt o st s, spflg o b b o mls md gmb b ir s

o l t af ampf t ait s af wo b b nf s ukk fs sd ub . Ilg o l t ao s k is f

saf wis.

Ilg, t afl, t m pmo lt mut , is wf - - is @r . Zuk cfr

gmfs o l Uir ihr ipa 96 md ao s id d o givo t , t ait lmt ao lh o l

t af ^KI r fkmr go lh ihr ff flt mr t af issflt mnb o hit fs Cfsai

t m ao r f Hmt t wib g t m pr mgukf r fkmr gs, ilg Cf msinf fkmr gs

ais nffl ilg r f io ls wo b b o lh t m ippr mvf pr mgukfr s wo t a

wam` Cfsai kil wmrc mt afr t ail Hmt t wib g. Ilg, o l d ik t ,

_mur Amlmr , t af ^KI r fkmr go lh ihr ff flt , wao ka o s git fg

J iluir y >8t a md >55? ilg o s nfd mr f _mur Amlmr,

fxpr fssb y ho vfs @o ss [fnfr t t af ino b o t y ilg - - t m ippr mvf

Bucf, Bucf' s flhihf flt , Gr . Bucf' s flhihf flt , is i

pr mgukfr ml ily md afr ib nu s. Vlgfr t ait ihr ff flt saf

gmfs lmt aivf t m wmr c wo t a Gr . Bucf o d s af gmfs lmt wilt

t m.

[mly ais lmt o l ily wiy o lgo k it fg t ait o t ' s

hmo lh t m s uppmr t Gr . Bucf it t af fxpfls f md @o s s [fnfr t .

[mly wmub g b o cf @o ss [fnfr t t m kmlt o luf t m r fkmr g, [mly

ais t r o fg t m hft @o s s [fnfr t t m kmlt o luf t m r fk mr g- - t ait

o s ib s m o l Uir ihr ipa 96 md @r . Zuk cfr ' s gfk b ir it o ml- - s af



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ais r fd usfg t m gm sm nfkiusf saf ais afr mwl, wf nfb o fvf,

mt o vit o mls wo t a r fs pfk t t m t ao s b iws uo t . Nut mur

o lt fr fs t o s o l afr s ukkfs s, mur o lt fr fs t o s o l Gr . Bucf' s

s uk kfs s , t afy ir f lmt o l t af b fis t no t ut uib b y

fxkb uso vf.

Ilg sm t af pr mpmsib wao ka t af pir t o fs aivf igf,

wao ka o s i vfr y r fib km` fr ko ib b y hr mulgfg o l

s fb d - o lt fr fs t pr m pms ib o s d mr t af` nmt a t m s uk kffg, ilg

t ait o s Gr . Bucf gmfs wait af gmfs wo t a ao s km pily, wo t a

mt afr ir t o s t s , ilg @o s s [fnfr t r fk mr gs wo t a mt afr

pr mgukfr s ulgfr t af Cf msinf fkmr gs u nr fb b i, pr m mt o ml,

I& , ir cft o lh, fvfr yt ao lh fb sf saf ais t m aivf lm

o lt fr d ikf - - ilg, md kmur s f, r fkmr go lh, pr mgukt o ml - - s af

ais t m aivf lm o lt fr d ik f wo t a . Gr . Bucf.

[m wf aivf pms o t o mlfg t ao s t m pr mvo gf afr , pr o mr

t m t ao s afir o lh, wo t a i r f fgy t ait gmfs mnvo it f t af lffg

d mr ily co lg md pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml. Ilg o t wmub g

t ur l t af b iw ml o t s d ikf t m flt fr il o lj ulkt o ml fo t afr

ihio lst [mly @uso k, Cf msinf fkmr gs mr ily md t af Bucf

pir t o fs o l i s o t uit o ml wafr f, is ymu pmo lt mut , t af t wm

k is fs ml wao k a t afy r fb y, vfr y go s t o lhuo s ainb f, mlf o l i

nilcrupt ky kmlt fxt , ilmt afr o lvmb vo lh nr fikafs ny i

r fkmr g km pily wao ka r fd usfg t m ikkmult - -

WAF KMV W: o hat .

@ . FGFB@IL: - - t m i r fkmr go lh ir t o s t . Wafr f ir



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U^MKFFGO LH[ ;1

lm ib b fhit o mls b o cf t ait afr f, k fr t io lb y lm s uhhfs t o mls md

ily - - t afy iy aivf t afo r ib b fhit o mls inmut . wait aippflfg

nft wffl Gr . Bucf ilg - - ilg @o s s [fnfr t , wao k a ir f

mnvo mus b y amt b y k mlt fs t fg ny Gr . Bucf ilg ny pr o mr

gfpmso t o ml t fst o mly, nut t afr f' s kfr t io lb y lm ib b fhit o ml

inmut ily nr fika md kmlt r ikt wao ka kmub g pmsso nb y afb p t af

d o t wo t ao l t af kis fs t ait t afy ko t f.

[m wf, _mur Amlmr , r fspfkt d ub b y sff lm niso s

ulgfr t af b iw, lmr t af d ik t s , d mr ily s mr t md pr fb o o lir y

o lj ulkt o ml ilg wf t ao lc wf' vf put d mr wir g i smb ut o ml

wao ka o s il fquo t inb f mlf wao ka @o ss [fnfr t samub g

kmlso gfr ilg wao ka wmub g flinb f afr t m - - Ny t af wiy, saf

o s gmo lh ily mt afr t ao lhs , is wf put o l t af r fk mr g.

WAF KMV W: O siw t ait o l ymur pipfr s. _mu kil

st it f t af .

@ . FGFB@IL: Xfb b , O fil, saf' s - - saf' s

t mur o lh, saf' s - - saf' s sfb b o lh fr kailgo sf, saf' s

r fk mr go lh, s af' s - - s af' s ico lh - - s af' s gmo lh - - s af o s

vfr y uka mut t afr f.

WAF KMV W: Xfb b , r fkmr go lh wo t amut t af r fkmr go lhs

nfo lh pr mgukfg mr go ssf o lit fg gmfsl' t r fib b y it t fr , gmfs

o t =

@ . FGFB@IL: Kfr t io lb y lmt o l t af wiy t ait wf

aivf t r o fg t m hft afr nik c t m t af r fk mr go lh s t ugo m, _mur

Amlmr .



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Ilg, b mmc, saf wis ao hab y sukkfssd ub wo t a afr

d o r st ib nu . Afr sfkmlg ib nu , wao b f lmt is sukkfssd ub

wis s t o b b s uk kfs sd ub . [mly o s vfr y o lt fr fs t f g o l aivo lh

afr r fkmr g ihio l. [m o s Cf msinf fkmr gs. Xf wmub g b o cf

lmt ao lh nft t fr t ail t m s ff t ait aippfl. Il o lj ulk t o ml

t ait gmfs vo mb flk f t m t af k mlt r ik t uib r fb it o mls ao ps

nft wffl t af pir t o fs o s lmt t af ippr mpr o it f r f fgy t m icf

t ait aippfl.

WAF KMV W: Mciy.

@ . FGFB@IL: Wailc ymu, _mur Amlmr .

WAF KMV W: J ust mlf o lut f. J ust mlf o lut f.

@ . HF^IHM[: Xfb b , t afy s t it f - - ymu is cfg - -

wafl O d o lo s afg b is t t o f ymu s io g, " O ' ` wilt t m - - O wilt

t m s ff wait t afo r r fs pmls f o s . " Wafy go gl' t ho vf ymu i

r fspmlsf. Wafy go gl' t siy ymur suhhfst o ml t ait Cfsai

r fkmr g d mr [mly, saf hft pio g t ar muha C@O , ymur suhhfst o ml

t ait t afy - - t ait af j us t s t iy mut md o t , niso kib b y, ilg

lfo t afr mlf md t af` - - o l d ikt , O nfb o fvf @s . Bfpfr i s io g

lm, ilg O gml' t t ao lc t ait t afy f nr ik fg o t it [mly.

Ilg, mlkf ihio l, t afy o sb fig, nfkiusf t af

Uir ihr ipa - - Uir ihr i pa 9> mr Dmmt lmt f 9> s t it fs t ait ,

" [fnfr t ihr ffg t ait Hmt t wib g ais t af r o hat t m pr mguk f

WAF KMV W: Xf' vf hmlf t ar muha t ao s ib r figy. Gm

ymu aivf ilyt ao lh t ait o s lmt gupb o kit o vf=

@ . HF^IHM[: _fs. Waf qufst o ml t ait ymu iscfg



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uka f, wmub g saf gm t ao s, ilg t afl t af qufst o ml t ait ymu

iscfg md t af` tafy go g lmt ilswfr .

WAF KMV W: Mciy. It t ao s pmo lt O i` gflyo lh t af

pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml. Wafr f ais nffl lm samwo lh md t af

b o cfb o ammg md s uk kfs s , nfk ius f nis o k ib b y t ait ais t m nf - -

t ait ' s t af nur gfl md t af mvo lh pir t y. Nut O ' ` lmt fvfl

hmo lh t m nis f o t ml t ait . O gml' t nfb o fvf t afr f wis i

samwo lh md fo t afr o r r fpir inb f air ` t ait d ivmr s @o ss [fnfr t

mr t af fquo t o fs wao k a d ivmr afr . [af o s nfo lh ho vfl t af

mppmr t ulo t y t m r fkmr g, s af k il r fk mr g, s af ais - - . gmfs lmt

aivf t m aivf ily o lt fr d ik f it ib b wo t a Gr . Hmt t wib g o l

r fk mr go lh ilg pr mguk o lh, ilg t afr f o s lm o r r fpir inb f air `

t m afr o d saf gmfs r fkmr g wo t amut Hmt t wib g' s o lvmb vf flt .

Ml t af mt afr ailg, t afr f o s o r r fpir inb f air ` t m

[mly, k fr t io lb y, o d t af k mlt r ik t ilg k mpyr o hat s wfr f

gfs t r myfg r fib b y. Ilg o t ' s t af ub t o it f r fb o fd , d r ilcb y.

O t ' s t af ub t o it f r fb o fd r fqufs t fg o l t af k is f, ilg

pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o mls killmt nf o ssufg t m mnt io l t af

ub t o it f r fb o fd .

Ib s m, wait o t gmfs , wait t af r fb o fd r fqufs t fg

afr f gmfs , wafl t afr f o s ilmt afr ivfluf t m ib b mw afr t m

r fk mr g, o s ulgfr k ut mur wamb f s ys t f` md k mlt r ik t , mur

k m` fr k o ib s ys t f . Ilg t ao s Kmur t k il' t nf i pir t y t m

t ait , r fib b y, wafl t afr f o s lm r fis ml d mr t ait t m mkkur ,

wafl saf kil r fkmr g wo t amut Gr . Bucf' s o lvmb vf flt . Ilg



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Ilg t ao s s aib b k mls t o t ut f t af gfk o s o ml ilg mr gfr

md t af Kmur t ml t af pr fb o o lir y o lj ulkt o ml.

[m b ft ' s mvf iafig lmw t m t af go s o ssib

mt o ml - - mt o mls . Ilg, ihio l, t afs f mlb y gfib wo t a t af

k mult fr k b io . Xam wilt s t m hm d o r s t = Ufr aips [mly

wo safs t m. Mciy.

@ . @MTO W: O d O iy hm d o r s t , ml nfaib d md

@r . Hmt t wib g=

WAF KMV W: Ma, @r . Hmt t wib g. Mciy.

@ . @MTO W: Wailc ymu, J ughf.

WAF KMV W: Ilg b ft f j ust pub b mut t amsf pipfr s.

@ . @MTO W: J fd d r fy @mvo t , @- M- T- O - W.

WAF KMV W: Ilg b ft f j ust siy nfd mr f ymu nfho l,

s m wf - - o t ' s ib b kb fir : Wao s o s gfib o lh mlb y wo t a t af

kmult fr kb io s. Ilg t ao s mt o ml t ait ymu' r f ir huo lh, wao ka

o s @mt o ml 9?, o s ml nfaib d md @r . Hmt t wib g, Ur fs kr o pt o ml

[mlhs, Cf msinf Flt fr t io l flt ilg C@O . I` O kmr r fkt =

@ . @MTO W: Wait ' s kmr r fkt , _mur Amlmr .

WAF KMV W: Wafr f ir f - - t afr f wis il i flgfg

ilswfr wo t a kmult fr kb io s ilg t afr f ir f, d r m` wait O sff,

fo hat k mult fr k b io s . Waf d o r s t k mult fr k b io ` ilg t af b is t

kmult fr kb io ` ib b fhf - - t afy ir f gfkb ir it mr y j ugh flt s, nut

t afy o lvmb vf t af k mlt r ik t s . Ilg, nis o k ib b y, O nfb o fvf t af



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d o r s t k mult fr k b io ` gfib s wo t a t af C@O k mlt r ik t ilg t af b is

kmult fr kb io , wao ka o s Lu nfr 1, gfib s wo t a t af

Ur fs kr o pt o ml kmlt r ik t , d mr t af ms t pir t .

Lu nfr t wm, t af sfkmlg kmult fr kb io , ib b fhfs i

vo mb it o ml md Lfw _mr c [t it f Au il o hat s Biw, ilg t ait ' s

ihio ls t ib b md t af gfd flgilt s , is ir f ib b md t af

k mult fr k b io s , ;, 7, 6, 4 ilg 8.

Lu nfr t ar ff ib b fhfs i vo mb it o ml md Lfw _mr c

Ko vo b o hat s Biw, [fk t o ml 8?( l) , ilg t ait ' s no is - r fb it fg

vo mb flkf, ilg t ait ' s ihio lst ib b gfd flgilt s.

Dmur o s i sfxuib air iss flt kb io ` ulgfr Lfw _mr c

Ko t y Ig o lo st r it o vf Kmgf 1- 958( i) .

Do vf o s ilmt afr sfxuib air iss flt kb io ` ulgfr

Lfw _mr c Ko t y Ig o lo st r it o vf Biw 1- 958( 9;) ( n) ( 9) ilg ( >) .

[o x o s i kb io ` ulgfr Lfw _mr c Ko t y

Ig o lo st r it o vf Kmgf 1- ?57, ib b fho lh hflgfr- mt o vit fg

vo mb it o ml md t ait - - md t ait s fkt o ml.

[fvfl o s i k b io ` md o lt flt o mlib o ld b o k t o ml md

f mt o mlib go s t r fs s. Ilg t ait , ihio l, o s ihio ls t ib b md

t af gfd flgilt s.

[m way gml' t ymu iggr fss t afsf.

@ . @MTO W: Wailc ymu, _mur Amlmr .

O d O iy s t ir t wo t a t af s t it ut mr y ilg t mr t

kb io s=

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go d d fr flt .

@ . @MTO W: _fs . Ilg O pb il t m iggr fs s t af` o l

hr mups , d mr fd d o k o flk y s icf, o l. t ait ' s d o lf, _mur Amlmr .

WAF KMV W: Mciy.

@ . @MTO W: Nut , hflfr ib b y, @o ss [fnfr t ' s i flgfg

kmult fr kb io s b ir hfb y d mkusfg ml t wm ib b fhfg issiub t s ny

@r . Hmt t wib g ihio ls t @o s s [fnfr t . Is t af Kmur t o s iwir f,

t ao s o s vmk o d fr mus b y go s put fg ny @r . Hmt t wib g, ilg t afr f' s

gfpms o t o ml t fs t o mly ny @o s s [fnfr t t m t af k mlt r ir y. [m

t mgiy wf' r f ml i ;>99 mt o ml, s m t ait ' s lmt nfd mr f t af

Kmur t t mgiy.

Waf d o r st ib b fhfg iss iub t o l t af i flgfg

k mult fr k b io s o s i pur pmr t fg o lk o gflt o l i amt fb r mm`

nikc o l >5563 t af sfkmlg ib b fhfg issiub t o s i pur pmr t fg

o lko gflt ml il io r pb ilf o l b it f >551. Waf i flgfg

kmult fr kb io s gml' t kmlt io l i so lhb f mt afr ib b fhfg

o lko gflt md pur pmr t fg payso kib kmlt ikt - - t af i flgfg

kmult fr kb io s gml' t ib b fhf i so lhb f mt afr pur pmr t fg fvflt

md payso kib kmlt ikt nft wffl @r . Hmt t wib g ilg @o ss [fnfr t

s uns fquflt t m >551, r it afr , t af r f io lgfr md t af

kmult fr kb io s b ir hfb y d mkus ml ib b fhfg t ar fit s ilg mt afr

ib b fhfg nfaivo mr t ait @o ss [fnfr t ib b fhfs wis vo r t uib b y

uls it o s d ikt mr y . Ilg t afr f o s lm git fs d mr ily md t afs f

ib b fhfg t ar fit s o l t af kmult fr kb io s.

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@o ss [fnfr t ' s kmult fr kb io s gml' t issfr t t af mnvo mus

k ius f md ik t o ml ir o s o lh d r m` t afs f ib b fhit o mls , k ib b t af`

is s iub t ilg nit t fr y, ilg t ait ' s nfk ius f o t ' s s m mnvo mus b y

d mr fk b ms fg ny t af mlf- yfir s t it ut f md b o o t it o mls .

WAF KMV W: Issiub t ilg nit t fr y, t wm sfpir it f

t afy' r f t wm s fpir it f t mr t s , nut t afy, O nfb o fvf, wmub g

r fquo r f, o t ' s i mlf- yfir s t it ut f md b o o t it o mls - -

@ . @MTO W: Wait ' s kmr r fkt , _mur Amlmr .

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