July 16, 2004 Joint Techs Workshop, Columbus OH

Fooling around with LSPs:Some Multivendor Gmpls/Mpls testing

Dan MagorianDirector, Engineering and Operations

magorian@maxgigapop.net

Cast of Characters

• Chris Heermann, Internet2 HOPI project

• Jon-Paul Herron, IU Abilene engineer

• John Moore, NC Itec

• Chris Tracy, MAX Dragon project engineer

• Aihua Guo, MAX Dragon project programmer

• Juniper engineers, inc:• Brian Kerkhoff, Juniper Abilene SE• Dan Nguyen, Juniper Jtac• Marion Jackson, Juniper MAX SE

• Movaz engineers, esp Wes Doonan

• Dan Magorian, MAX Gigapop/RON Geek

First, some Acronyms

• Everyone’s always telling me I use too many, so here are some definitions for folks who don’t work with it everyday:• Multiprotocol Label Switching (“classical” MPLS) over

packet-switched networks (routers)• Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (Gmpls):

expanded mpls that controls fiber, lambda, sonet, and packet switching between routers & optical xconnects.

• OXC: optical cross-connect like lambda or fiber switch• LSP: label switched path RON: Regional Optical Net• OSPF: Open Shortest Path First (most common IGP)• IGP: interior gateway protocol for interface reachability• RSVP: Resource reservation protocol• TE: traffic engineering extensions to OSPF & RSVP

What was the Objective?

• As background, HOPI is involved with architectures for both Internet2’s NLR lambda & mpls over Abilene.

• So Chris Heermann and I discussed testing between Abilene and MAX of mpls tunnel potential applications.

• The idea was to test ideas for HOPI on-ramps from gigapops/RONs using Abilene as the testbed.

• We had a meeting at Juniper and weekly conference calls to figure out what we were doing & testing details.

• Since MAX has Movaz lambda switches as part of Dragon project, which do gmpls, we decided to stitch a MAX gmpls tunnel to an Abilene mpls tunnel to NC Itec and then across Abilene.

Then the Trouble Began

• Anyone who knows gmpls will know that this was naive, but although MAX & Abilene & NC Itec run mpls, most nonvendor folks except Aihua weren’t gmpls experts.

• Education was the objective: what we would learn in the process about lsp provisioning and interoperability.

• Abilene and Itec end was straightforward: they already have test Abilene & IU & Itec mpls lsps stitched.

• So process began: every week, “Dan, how far have you gotten with making your end work?”

• Turned out to much more time-consuming than I had expected: non-trivial and rather nasty.

• So it was highly educational.

The test setup, MAX point of view

MAX Lab Juniper M160

MAX Lab Juniper M20

MAX/Dragon Movaz GSFC RayExpress

MAX/Dragon Movaz CLPK RayExpress

MAX/Dragon Movaz WSS lambdaswitch

MAX Prod Juniper CLPK-M160

MAX Prod Juniper DCNE-M160

Abilene Juniper T640 WASHng

Abilene & NC Itec Juniper & Cisco routers

Single jumper connection across campus

Oc48 pos Oc48 pos Many links

First Step.

• Initially brought up a gmpls lsp between MAX lab-m20 and lab-m160 using Juniper’s doc example. This took awhile because of needing to learn important “gotchas”:• Gmpls NEEDS separate paths for control and data.

In-band signalling like we’re all used to doesn’t work. This makes sense: the data channel is being switched

• If you’re using a broadcast media like ethernet for control instead of a point-to-point media like sonet, you NEED to use gre or other p-t-p tunnels over it because of how OSPF detects the media. It cares.

• Gmpls uses TE extensions to OSPF and RSVP, as well as new link-management protocol with IDs. The LM establishs a virtual path over the gre virtual path.

• Connections have 4-6 sets of addresses, confusing.

Next Steps

• I then turned on gmpls and established an lsp on MAX production M160 routers CLPK and DCNE in prep for stitching across MAX and to Abilene over the production peering, which uses frame-relay ccc on a separate dlci.

• This was the “opportunity” to see if turning on link-management, ospf-te, and rsvp-te caused problems (like interface unreachability). They didn’t and it worked. This connection used gre tunnels over single sonet rather than two physical connections like the lab routers.

• Then Chris Tracy and I started trying to establish gmpls lsps between two pairs of Movaz Ray Expresses and two Juniper M160s. These did not work. One of biggest complicating headache factors was single jumper across campus from lab routers to Movazes in Dragon cluster. Really needed 2 physical connections.

Juniper/Movaz Gmpls Interoperability

• This is where the real fun started. Movaz had completed and documented an interop test using Juniper – Movaz - Movaz – Juniper. But that’s ONLY setup known to work.

• OXCs aren’t routers, and some assumptions you make working with routers aren’t valid. Need to consider:• Separate control interfaces. Once we had campus

jumper working, no gige link. Movaz has separate out-of-band 100M ethernet control channel (or proprietary in-band 1310 chan), had connect to that. All other interfaces are switched data channels.

• Partial implementations of OSPF, RSVP, & LM today. • It’s still early days for gmpls and lot of effort and

inside knowledge needed to make interoperate. • With lot of help from Wes Doonan & Movaz, got working.

OK, so gmpls lsps are up. So what?

• Tried to figure out ways of stitching together our gmpls lsps to mpls lsps across the peering with Abilene. We thought mainly problem of reachability of LM address . No common IGP, always intended a manual stitch.

• But answer came back from multiple sources that right now gmpls and mpls headers are incompatible, and no method will make them talk. Original plan wouldn’t work.

• This is an area under active research right now, and lsp stitching is discussed in current IETF drafts (ref at end).

• So for now, have to use an overlay model: set up mpls tunnels over gmpls tunnels. Gmpls tunnel becomes just another path for mpls to use. Still tricky to get working over Movaz part of tunnels. Classic mpls stitching works.

• Then the mpls tunnels can be stitched to Abilene & Itec.

So what were the lessons learned?

• Testbeds not in same lab cause problems/limitations not related to what trying to accomplish, like campus jumpers.

• Still actually in the middle of testing, ran out of time before getting the overlay mpls lsps stitched to Abilene. But those known to work. Gigapops and Abilene could use mpls lsps for overlay networks, using several service models.

• Gmpls is nontrivial and has lots of moving parts. Takes not only patient debugging of each layer (physical int, gre tunnel, ospf, rsvp, te link management, lsp path) to get working, but also secret sauce of what’s known to work, even Juniper-Juniper and especially multivendor.

• So why use gmpls? If you are a RON, optical switching is in your future, and will use gmpls. Right now optical paths are patched and resources are static, but large body of research is proceeding on dynamically switched resources

Dynamic resource switching

• This will be big change for the industry from static resource allocation as it gets deployed in next few years.

• Right now, not a lot of economic benefit from optical switching: if you’ve paid to provision a path, leave it up.

• Protocols like BGP expect stability, and get unhappy when resources shifted under their feet. Lots of protocol development needed, as well as “bandwidth brokers”.

• Lots of researchers working on it, and production folks will start to need switched benefits esp oversubscription soon given traffic growth rates. Look at what switching did for ethernet vs shared hubs. Chances are very good that we’ll be using optical switching in production soon.

• So why not experiment with it today, both large-scale (NLR) and local testing, so we’ll know what we’re doing?

References: IETF Mpls/Gmpls Drafts

• It’s very useful even for non-implementers to keep up with what’s being proposed and worked on. The links change as the drafts expire, so it’s best to do a search on the name.

• Generalized MPLS Architecture for Multi-Region Networks, draft-vigoureux-shiomoto-ccamp-gmpls-mrn-04.txt, Feb 04

• A Framework for Inter-Domain MPLS Traffic Engineering draft-farrel-ccamp-inter-domain-framework-00.txt, April 04

• MPLS Inter-AS Traffic Engineering requirements, draft-ietf-tewg-interas-mpls-te-req-06.txt, Jan 04.

• Requirements for Support of Inter-Area MPLS Traffic Engineering, draft-boyle-tewg-interarea-reqts-01.txt, Dec 03

Thanks!

Questions?

Dan Magorian

magorian@maxgigapop.net