000:00:00,100 --> 00:00:13,000Downloaded fromG2G.fm100:01:53,573 --> 00:01:56,951What is the goal of the life?200:01:58,745 --> 00:02:02,165It's to create yourself a soul.300:02:04,918 --> 00:02:07,712For me, movies are an art...400:02:08,213 --> 00:02:10,840more than an industry.500:02:12,634 --> 00:02:16,095And it's the search of the human soul...600:02:16,262 --> 00:02:19,140as painting, as literature, as poetry.700:02:22,685 --> 00:02:24,938Movies are that for me.800:02:47,335 --> 00:02:53,424I wanted to make a film...900:02:53,591 --> 00:02:59,180that would give the peoplewho took LSD at that time...1000:02:59,347 --> 00:03:04,352the hallucinations that you get withthat drug, but without hallucinating.1100:03:04,519 --> 00:03:09,816I did not want LSD to be taken,I wanted to fabricate the drug's effects.1200:03:09,983 --> 00:03:14,737This film was going to changethe public's perceptions.1300:03:25,039 --> 00:03:28,001My ambition with Dune was tremendous.1400:03:29,752 --> 00:03:33,715So, what I wantedwas to create a prophet.1500:03:35,508 --> 00:03:38,386I want to create a prophet...1600:03:38,553 --> 00:03:43,433to change the young mindsof all the world.1700:03:43,808 --> 00:03:48,980For me, Dune will bethe coming of a god.1800:03:49,898 --> 00:03:54,235Artistical, cinematographical god.1900:03:54,986 --> 00:03:58,072For me, it was not to make a picture.2000:03:58,781 --> 00:04:00,825It was something deeper.2100:04:00,992 --> 00:04:04,495I wanted to make something sacred...2200:04:06,164 --> 00:04:10,418free, with new perspective.2300:04:10,627 --> 00:04:12,712Open the mind!2400:04:12,879 --> 00:04:18,676Because I feel, in that time,myself, inside a prison.2500:04:18,885 --> 00:04:22,889My ego, my intellect,I want to open!2600:04:23,890 --> 00:04:28,353And I start the fight to make Dune.2700:04:47,997 --> 00:04:50,500You needed a touch of madness to do it.2800:04:50,708 --> 00:04:53,044You can't have a masterpiecewithout madness.2900:04:53,211 --> 00:04:55,088Pink Floyd? Dali...3000:04:55,254 --> 00:04:57,006or Orson Welles or others!3100:04:58,299 --> 00:05:00,343Maybe Dune had too much madness?3200:05:01,886 --> 00:05:04,305But a movie that doesn't havea bit of madness...3300:05:04,472 --> 00:05:06,474is not going to conquer the whole world.3400:06:45,281 --> 00:06:47,825I don't think that in thehistory of cinema...3500:06:47,992 --> 00:06:52,205there was ever a film that was takenthat far, only to end up not being made.3600:06:52,371 --> 00:06:54,207To become a different film,since a film was made...3700:06:54,373 --> 00:06:57,376that had nothing to do with thosetwo and a half years of work.3800:07:19,649 --> 00:07:22,235In the beginning, I was making theater.3900:07:26,364 --> 00:07:29,534In Mexico, I make 100 theater plays.4000:07:32,078 --> 00:07:35,623In 10 years,I make the avant garde theater.4100:07:35,790 --> 00:07:38,459Ionesco, Beckett, Strindberg.4200:07:39,836 --> 00:07:42,421Modern adaptations of Shakespeare,I do.4300:07:42,588 --> 00:07:44,632One day I will make a picture.4400:08:27,550 --> 00:08:29,343When I came to pictures...4500:08:29,510 --> 00:08:32,013I came like a virgin.4600:08:33,055 --> 00:08:37,059Without to know technical movement.4700:08:37,226 --> 00:08:39,812I didn't know lens, the number.I didn't know.4800:08:45,443 --> 00:08:49,697We shoot Fando Y Lis, hiding of unions.4900:08:52,450 --> 00:08:55,077In Mexico,a young director cannot make picture...5000:08:55,244 --> 00:08:58,664without the permissionof the old director unions.5100:08:58,831 --> 00:09:03,002I say, "What I need to takethe permission to make art?"5200:09:04,253 --> 00:09:06,881Artists need to be free! I do my picture!5300:09:07,048 --> 00:09:09,759Then was a great scandal later, eh?5400:09:10,176 --> 00:09:13,387Because I broke all the unions, I did it!5500:09:19,810 --> 00:09:23,231I was opening the mind of the industry.5600:10:31,590 --> 00:10:35,303I was exposed to itin the underground cinema in New York.5700:10:35,469 --> 00:10:39,640And after that, we had the courageto attempt to distribute it in France...5800:10:39,807 --> 00:10:45,396and it was an incredible success forthis movie that was quite revolutionary...5900:10:45,563 --> 00:10:49,817and a natural friendship was bornbetween Alejandro and me.6000:10:49,984 --> 00:10:51,777Thanks to the success of El Topo...6100:10:51,944 --> 00:10:55,448I got one million dollarsto make The Holy Mountain.6200:11:01,370 --> 00:11:03,122I did whatever I wanted.6300:11:03,873 --> 00:11:04,999I didn't have a producer...6400:11:07,168 --> 00:11:10,004no critic, no one to mess with me.6500:11:11,714 --> 00:11:13,883I did what I wantedand it was The How Mountain.6600:11:44,622 --> 00:11:48,250I gave the movie to Michel Seydouxin France.6700:11:48,417 --> 00:11:52,505And, oh, surprise, in Europe it attracteda great number of people...6800:11:53,381 --> 00:11:55,341it was playing openly.6900:11:56,092 --> 00:12:01,097In Italy that year, it was thenumber two movie behind James Bond.7000:12:01,931 --> 00:12:05,101The Holy Mountain was incredible.7100:12:11,107 --> 00:12:15,444So my ambition grew.7200:12:42,179 --> 00:12:45,850Michel Seydoux called me from Parisand say to me:7300:12:46,016 --> 00:12:50,229"Holy Mountain is a success.I want to make a new picture with you.7400:12:50,396 --> 00:12:52,356Do whatever you want!"7500:12:57,820 --> 00:13:00,698I have never made moviesor transactions...7600:13:00,865 --> 00:13:02,783unless there was somethingmore to them.7700:13:02,950 --> 00:13:06,287A relationship between human beingsis what makes the difference.7800:13:08,122 --> 00:13:11,459He said,"I want to produce you anything.7900:13:11,667 --> 00:13:13,419What do you want to do?"8000:13:14,003 --> 00:13:15,629I say, "Dune!"8100:13:15,921 --> 00:13:17,173And he say, "Yes."8200:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,928Why?8300:13:23,095 --> 00:13:26,474Because the book was the most beautifulscience-fiction book.8400:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,935It was the bible of science fictionfor all the big devotees.8500:13:30,102 --> 00:13:32,771Because the book had beena worldwide publishing success...8600:13:33,522 --> 00:13:35,274that you could find in every country.8700:13:37,026 --> 00:13:40,988I didn't read Dune. But I havea friend who say me it was fantastic.8800:13:41,155 --> 00:13:44,200I don't know why I say Dune.I can say Don Quixote...8900:13:44,366 --> 00:13:48,245or I can said Hamlet.I don't know anything.9000:13:48,621 --> 00:13:49,830I say Dune.9100:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,556Hollywood sold us the rights for nothing...9200:14:48,722 --> 00:14:51,767mockingly on the inside, I believe...9300:14:52,643 --> 00:14:56,021thinking that we would neverbe able to carry out such a thing.9400:14:58,941 --> 00:15:02,194It was a great undertakingto do the script.9500:15:05,614 --> 00:15:08,784Michel Seydoux brought me to France.9600:15:08,951 --> 00:15:11,412He rented a castle, a huge castle...9700:15:11,579 --> 00:15:16,083and I was in that castlededicated solely to Dune.9800:15:17,668 --> 00:15:21,213Frank Herbert created a world in Dune...9900:15:21,547 --> 00:15:24,925but he never said exactly what it was.10000:15:25,092 --> 00:15:29,221And you have a hundred pagesof literature...10100:15:29,763 --> 00:15:32,474where you go on to discover,with great difficulty...10200:15:32,641 --> 00:15:34,393what the book is about.10300:15:35,019 --> 00:15:41,317It's very... It's like... I compare itto Proust in French literature.10400:15:41,483 --> 00:15:43,902It's literary, it's great literature.10500:15:46,864 --> 00:15:49,617The first 100 pages...10600:15:50,117 --> 00:15:52,119you understand almost nothing.10700:15:53,245 --> 00:15:55,706It's insinuations.10800:15:57,082 --> 00:16:01,795To bring literature to imageis completely difficult.10900:16:01,962 --> 00:16:08,344You need to create another world,the optical world.11000:16:08,510 --> 00:16:10,929It's not the literary, auditive world.11100:16:13,265 --> 00:16:17,269All the time, even in the...In the little details...11200:16:17,770 --> 00:16:23,400I was trying to findthe spiritual meaning of that picture.11300:16:33,661 --> 00:16:36,163Now I have my script.11400:16:37,748 --> 00:16:40,250I need to find the warriors.11500:16:42,628 --> 00:16:44,630The warriors to do it.11600:16:44,797 --> 00:16:49,760Every person who will work in this picturewill be a spiritual warrior.11700:16:50,719 --> 00:16:52,137The best I will find.11800:16:53,222 --> 00:16:55,182He had the genius to make...11900:16:57,059 --> 00:16:58,852a storyboard with Moebius.12000:17:04,858 --> 00:17:08,028I find a comic book.The comic book was...12100:17:09,113 --> 00:17:10,447Blueberry.12200:17:11,156 --> 00:17:14,159Cowboy book, drawing by Giraud.12300:17:15,285 --> 00:17:18,539I start to see, but that guy is my camera!12400:17:20,165 --> 00:17:21,166Who is this?12500:17:34,304 --> 00:17:36,140This is the person I need.12600:17:36,807 --> 00:17:39,810Where I will find this person? Where?12700:17:41,311 --> 00:17:44,565In that time was not Internetto find any person.12800:17:44,898 --> 00:17:46,692I need to find this person.12900:17:48,569 --> 00:17:53,824I went to see my agent, publicity agent...13000:17:53,991 --> 00:17:56,994and there he was. By chance.13100:17:57,161 --> 00:17:58,871He was there.13200:17:59,371 --> 00:18:00,789He say, "I am Moebius."13300:18:00,956 --> 00:18:05,085"When I drawing science fiction,I am not Giraud, I am Moebius."13400:18:06,003 --> 00:18:10,090And I say to him,"You are the person! Come with me!"13500:18:13,635 --> 00:18:16,680Drawing by drawing, I shoot the picture.13600:18:20,726 --> 00:18:23,061I need 3000 drawings.13700:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,274Point of view. Movement of the camera.13800:18:28,484 --> 00:18:31,487Dialogue.The relation between the actors.13900:18:32,863 --> 00:18:35,407I use Moebius like a camera.14000:18:36,450 --> 00:18:41,330I take Moebius, I say,"Now you advance." "Now you travel."14100:18:43,582 --> 00:18:45,667"Now you make a close-up."14200:18:49,254 --> 00:18:52,841I have Moebius, who was a genius.Moebius was a genius.14300:18:53,133 --> 00:18:58,222Because he was not only an artistwith an incredible capacity...14400:18:58,722 --> 00:19:00,641but he was very quick.14500:19:04,186 --> 00:19:08,357Was superhuman. He was...14600:19:08,524 --> 00:19:10,651quickly, rapido, incredible.14700:19:10,818 --> 00:19:12,027And then I could shoot.14800:19:13,237 --> 00:19:15,864Every day, we start to shoot...14900:19:16,031 --> 00:19:21,453At 8:00, we come, we prepare everything.I think at 9:30 we start to shoot.15000:19:24,581 --> 00:19:26,500I made the picture with drawings.15100:19:46,186 --> 00:19:50,566And then in the costume, I say to him...I describe what I wanted.15200:19:51,108 --> 00:19:53,694He immediately:15300:19:53,861 --> 00:19:58,031Quick, more than a computer.He was incredible.15400:20:27,519 --> 00:20:31,189Everything became magicwhen we was doing this picture.15500:20:31,356 --> 00:20:34,026Everything, everything.15600:20:38,363 --> 00:20:43,493Dune, my Dune, start with a long shot.15700:20:44,161 --> 00:20:49,791I admire the long shotof Orson Welles' Touch of Evil.15800:20:50,250 --> 00:20:54,212The camera go, go, go,traverse the street, go.15900:20:55,672 --> 00:20:58,759It's a fantastic big, long shot.16000:21:00,302 --> 00:21:03,013And then I wanted to start Dunewith a long shot...16100:21:04,222 --> 00:21:08,769better than the long shotof Orson Welles.16200:21:08,936 --> 00:21:10,979I wanted to go farthest.16300:21:11,146 --> 00:21:16,485And then all the shotis traversing the whole universe.16400:21:16,818 --> 00:21:21,573You go there and you traverseall the galaxy, all the galaxy...16500:21:21,740 --> 00:21:25,369and in traversal of the galaxy,you see a pirate...16600:21:25,953 --> 00:21:33,543robbing a convoy of spice, by example.Battles. And you go, you go...16700:21:34,753 --> 00:21:35,754ls a long shot.16800:23:53,767 --> 00:23:57,729We need to find the personwho will make the special effects.16900:23:57,896 --> 00:24:00,690"I say, " Moebius, we flyto California, to Los Angeles...17000:24:00,857 --> 00:24:04,027to the appointmentof Douglas Trumbull."17100:24:21,086 --> 00:24:25,423He was a very honored,very important person.17200:24:26,550 --> 00:24:28,927He receive me. He was interesting.17300:24:29,094 --> 00:24:30,137Was a business.17400:25:00,125 --> 00:25:01,710We went to see Trumbull...17500:25:02,544 --> 00:25:06,298but he gives himself so big importance.17600:25:07,048 --> 00:25:09,342We was speaking, he answered...17700:25:09,509 --> 00:25:12,6374O times the telephone.Forty times.17800:25:14,931 --> 00:25:19,728He was speakingwith so big vanity of himself.17900:25:20,437 --> 00:25:24,608He was a big technician.But for me, was not a spiritual person.18000:25:25,233 --> 00:25:29,863He have nothing to do in the creationof a film who was a prophet.18100:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,158He will make a technical film, no?18200:25:53,845 --> 00:25:57,224And then I say,"I cannot work with you."18300:25:58,350 --> 00:25:59,809And we went out.18400:26:00,518 --> 00:26:05,023Moebius was astonished, say,"How you can say no to the biggest...18500:26:05,190 --> 00:26:07,984technician of Hollywood?"18600:26:08,151 --> 00:26:11,154I say, "it is like that."18700:26:11,321 --> 00:26:14,157I cannot use him.He is not my spiritual warrior.18800:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,581And then we was walking in the street,Hollywood...18900:26:21,873 --> 00:26:27,921there was a little cinema, a little theater.And there was a science-fiction picture...19000:26:28,088 --> 00:26:29,130Dark Star.19100:26:37,514 --> 00:26:40,016And when I see the picture,"That is the guy!"19200:26:43,687 --> 00:26:44,854O'Bannon.19300:26:46,356 --> 00:26:50,277We will search for this person.This person will be the person.19400:27:15,635 --> 00:27:19,514For me, the art was before,later the technique.19500:27:20,098 --> 00:27:21,933And that was O'Bannon.19600:29:11,334 --> 00:29:14,254And then he came to Paris.19700:29:14,421 --> 00:29:20,051And that was... I have two warriors:Moebius and O'Bannon.19800:29:20,468 --> 00:29:22,053I need to find the others.19900:29:22,846 --> 00:29:27,016The first actor is the father,the Duke Leto.20000:29:41,906 --> 00:29:45,702David Carradine had starredin a very popular television series...20100:29:46,536 --> 00:29:47,912in which he was a warrior...20200:29:48,079 --> 00:29:49,839who was taught by mastersfrom the Orient.20300:29:51,166 --> 00:29:52,959It was influenced by El Topo.20400:29:54,752 --> 00:29:59,632Then, when Carradine knewthat I wanted him, he came...20500:30:00,133 --> 00:30:01,259he came running.20600:30:03,970 --> 00:30:06,973I waited for him in Los Angeles,in a hotel room.20700:30:07,140 --> 00:30:09,934I had bought vitamin E.20800:30:12,145 --> 00:30:14,647Like, this E vitamin. Half a kilo.20900:30:16,900 --> 00:30:22,113In order to take one pill every dayto have the strength.21000:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,574Carradine came to my room,the first thing he saw...21100:30:24,741 --> 00:30:28,077was the pot of E vitamin.21200:30:28,244 --> 00:30:29,829He say, "Oh, E vitamin!"21300:30:31,372 --> 00:30:35,752And he drink all my pills of vitamin E!21400:30:35,919 --> 00:30:40,381Like is a monstrosity! Sixty dollars was!21500:30:43,384 --> 00:30:46,137Well, was a big beginning.21600:30:46,596 --> 00:30:48,515And then I say,"We need to work together!21700:30:48,681 --> 00:30:50,808You are the person I am searching!"21800:30:57,315 --> 00:31:00,652I wanted a musical groupfor every planet.21900:31:02,445 --> 00:31:05,573Pink Floyd.They will make the music of Leto.22000:31:08,535 --> 00:31:12,247Pink Floyd have a record,Dark Side of the Moon.22100:31:12,413 --> 00:31:14,791For me, that is the human being,like the moon.22200:31:14,958 --> 00:31:17,252One side is brilliant, light.22300:31:17,418 --> 00:31:20,380And the other side who is black,the unconscious...22400:31:20,547 --> 00:31:23,925what is mysterious, what is deep.22500:31:24,717 --> 00:31:27,845It happened during a meeting.22600:31:28,012 --> 00:31:31,140"Pink Floyd?"Gibon said, "Okay, I'll go!"22700:31:31,307 --> 00:31:35,728He called Pink Floyd's agent.He said, "Could I meet with you?"22800:31:35,895 --> 00:31:38,690So one day we went to London.22900:31:39,482 --> 00:31:42,402They were in the middle of finishingthe mixing...23000:31:42,860 --> 00:31:45,905of Dark Side of the Moon,at Abbey Road, the famous studio.23100:31:49,867 --> 00:31:53,413And I remember, we got there...23200:31:53,997 --> 00:31:56,499and they were very standoffish...23300:31:56,666 --> 00:31:58,543pop stars, very distant.23400:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,797They was eating. They was eating...23500:32:02,964 --> 00:32:06,217hamburgers.Four guys eating hamburgers.23600:32:06,384 --> 00:32:08,886"Hello," they say, "Hello!"23700:32:10,305 --> 00:32:13,099And nothing, I could not speak,they was eating.23800:32:13,266 --> 00:32:16,394All of a sudden, Jodo...We called him Jodo.23900:32:16,561 --> 00:32:20,189Jodo said,"No. They're pissing me off. Let's go!"24000:32:20,356 --> 00:32:22,483I start to insulted them.24100:32:22,650 --> 00:32:28,031"How you don't understandI offer to you..."24200:32:28,948 --> 00:32:34,370the most important picturein the history of the humanity!24300:32:35,288 --> 00:32:36,789We will change the world!24400:32:36,956 --> 00:32:39,167And you are eating...24500:32:39,334 --> 00:32:43,713"Eating Big Macs. How?"24600:32:44,339 --> 00:32:48,217And then they stopand they speak with me.24700:32:49,385 --> 00:32:52,305And after that, it went very, very well.24800:32:52,472 --> 00:32:53,765Very, very well, yeah.24900:32:53,931 --> 00:32:57,769And we was speaking to makea big album with the music of Dune.25000:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,980Could be fantastic, no?25100:33:03,816 --> 00:33:07,111In my version, the Duke Leto...25200:33:10,198 --> 00:33:12,116he is castrated.25300:33:12,283 --> 00:33:14,911And then how he will do a son?25400:33:15,787 --> 00:33:17,205And then his wife...25500:33:17,914 --> 00:33:21,668a marvelous woman, a wise woman...25600:33:23,002 --> 00:33:28,091and the guy have a love, a cosmic lovewhen he see this woman.25700:33:28,257 --> 00:33:30,426And how he will make a child?25800:33:30,593 --> 00:33:34,263And she take a drop of his blood...25900:33:34,430 --> 00:33:40,144and she change the blood into semen...26000:33:40,603 --> 00:33:46,859and then we see the drop of bloodgoing inside the vagina, the uterus...26100:33:47,068 --> 00:33:48,986and we will follow the blood...26200:33:49,153 --> 00:33:55,493the blood coming and go insidethe ovum and explodes there.26300:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,207She get pregnant with a drop of blood.26400:34:01,791 --> 00:34:03,209That's What I did.26500:34:08,047 --> 00:34:12,635What will have if you are notthe son of a sexual pleasure...26600:34:14,053 --> 00:34:16,097but of a spiritual pleasure?26700:34:17,890 --> 00:34:22,186And from this spiritual love,he will create Paul.26800:34:23,730 --> 00:34:26,524Paul was a young boy...26900:34:27,734 --> 00:34:32,071but is not a normal boy. Was a mutant.27000:34:32,238 --> 00:34:35,908With a big soul and strength.27100:34:37,410 --> 00:34:39,245Where I will find that boy?27200:34:39,412 --> 00:34:40,538My son.27300:34:47,128 --> 00:34:49,172Today you are 7 years old.27400:34:49,338 --> 00:34:50,673Now you are a man.27500:34:51,424 --> 00:34:54,010Bury your first toy andyour mother's picture.27600:35:01,726 --> 00:35:05,563I work with him in El Topo,now he have 12 year old.27700:35:05,730 --> 00:35:10,109I say, "You will make Paul,but you need to prepare as a warrior."27800:35:19,285 --> 00:35:23,080I prepare my son, to do the role exactly...27900:35:23,247 --> 00:35:27,418as the Duke Leto prepare his son.28000:35:41,098 --> 00:35:42,975I find teacher for him.28100:35:43,142 --> 00:35:46,103I have a very strong person...28200:35:46,270 --> 00:35:47,730Jean-Pierre Vignau.28300:35:49,148 --> 00:35:52,902When we started, he was 12.28400:35:53,069 --> 00:35:55,738There I trained him in karate,karate jujitsu, Japanese style.28500:35:55,905 --> 00:35:57,782That's all the fist-foot techniques...28600:36:00,117 --> 00:36:02,161joint locks, floorpins, standing pins...28700:36:02,328 --> 00:36:05,289a combination of karate,judo, aikido and atemi-jitsu.28800:36:05,456 --> 00:36:11,254He learned how to fight with his hands,with knife, with swords.28900:36:11,420 --> 00:36:12,588He learn all that.29000:36:14,715 --> 00:36:19,011And he was ready to do Paulas a real "Paul."29100:36:21,806 --> 00:36:26,143I trained Brontis six hours a day,seven days a week for two years.29200:36:42,577 --> 00:36:46,163And all the person say to me,"But what you did?"29300:36:47,081 --> 00:36:49,750But why you are tryingto change the mind...29400:36:49,917 --> 00:36:53,087of child and to makea superior person?"29500:36:56,883 --> 00:36:59,927I say, "No, I was onlyawakening the creativity."29600:37:02,138 --> 00:37:04,265I opened his mind.29700:37:04,432 --> 00:37:06,225That's what I was doing.29800:37:06,392 --> 00:37:09,687I don't know if I changed his life.29900:37:09,854 --> 00:37:12,773Now I am thinking, "Why I did that?"30000:37:12,940 --> 00:37:14,442Sacrifice my son.30100:37:15,234 --> 00:37:21,908But in that time, I say, if I need to outmy arms in order to make that picture...30200:37:22,074 --> 00:37:24,452I will cut my arms. I will do it.30300:37:25,161 --> 00:37:28,205I was believing that to make a picture...30400:37:28,372 --> 00:37:35,171who will give a mutationto the young minds...30500:37:36,172 --> 00:37:39,508was sacred.You need to sacrifice yourself.30600:37:40,134 --> 00:37:42,678I was even ready to die doing that.30700:38:01,572 --> 00:38:06,911For me, science fictionwas like a huge theater...30800:38:07,078 --> 00:38:09,580like a huge work of art.30900:38:12,875 --> 00:38:15,795Every spaceship was a being...31000:38:16,379 --> 00:38:20,049like an insect, like a fabulous bird.31100:38:20,633 --> 00:38:23,386That was the spaceship I wanted.31200:38:25,429 --> 00:38:29,600Foss, I knew him in the coversof science-fiction books.31300:38:30,434 --> 00:38:34,939They were ships with souls, like beings.31400:38:36,190 --> 00:38:38,025It had to be Chris Foss.31500:39:38,794 --> 00:39:40,588You are excrement.31600:39:41,172 --> 00:39:43,299You can change yourself into gold.31700:40:56,497 --> 00:40:58,999In that time, I was like a prophet,I was enlightened.31800:40:59,792 --> 00:41:04,463And I gave to them the feelingthey are not only making a picture.31900:41:04,630 --> 00:41:07,842They are making something importantfor humanity.32000:41:08,008 --> 00:41:10,136They have a mission. They was warriors.32100:44:11,275 --> 00:44:16,572I was searching for...For the light of genius in every person...32200:44:16,739 --> 00:44:21,243with an enormous respect,an enormous respect.32300:44:21,410 --> 00:44:25,289And then, every dayI was feeding them in order to...32400:44:25,456 --> 00:44:29,251To be free, to do the best of them.32500:44:40,763 --> 00:44:45,267Every morning, I give a big speech...32600:44:45,434 --> 00:44:51,398like the person who makefootball or rugby...32700:44:51,565 --> 00:44:54,068a speech with the players:32800:44:54,234 --> 00:44:58,322Every morning, I make my speech.32900:44:58,489 --> 00:45:01,158In order to say,"Do it, what you need to do...33000:45:01,325 --> 00:45:04,495really, because this will be important."33100:45:45,411 --> 00:45:49,456In that time,I was seducing Dali...33200:45:49,623 --> 00:45:53,669because I wanted Dalias the mad emperor of the galaxy.33300:45:57,881 --> 00:46:01,051Dali, to us, he seemed to bethe only emperor of the world...33400:46:01,218 --> 00:46:05,597with that extraordinary talent,with his speech and his wording.33500:46:06,974 --> 00:46:12,604Can nobody understand Dali becausemyself, never understand my work.33600:46:12,771 --> 00:46:17,526Never Dali understandone painting of Dali...33700:46:17,693 --> 00:46:22,114because Dali only create enigmas.33800:46:22,573 --> 00:46:24,533Dali was something, eh?33900:46:29,663 --> 00:46:33,000The first time we went to New Yorkwas with Michel Seydoux.34000:46:34,585 --> 00:46:39,131We went to the St. Regis becauseMichel Seydoux liked the St. Regis Hotel.34100:46:40,257 --> 00:46:43,802And we discovered that Daliwas also at the St. Regis Hotel!34200:46:43,969 --> 00:46:45,471By chance.34300:46:45,637 --> 00:46:47,764I was reading a book about the Tarot.34400:46:49,475 --> 00:46:52,811And then I take a pagewhere the Hanged Man...34500:46:55,689 --> 00:46:59,359I write, "I want to see you becauseI will make a picture with you."34600:46:59,610 --> 00:47:04,698He like it. To have this kind ofinvitation. He say, "I will see you."34700:47:05,449 --> 00:47:06,992I wait you in the bar."34800:47:09,161 --> 00:47:12,289The bar had a 6-meter long painting...34900:47:12,456 --> 00:47:15,083pre-Rafaelite, where there was a king...35000:47:15,584 --> 00:47:21,673and the nobles had a facelike they were hiding something.35100:47:22,799 --> 00:47:26,887Dali told me, "I like it here becausethere is a 6-meter painting..."35200:47:27,054 --> 00:47:28,639dedicated to a fart."35300:47:33,185 --> 00:47:36,480Dali told me,"We are going to see each other in Paris.35400:47:36,647 --> 00:47:38,357I am going to think about it."35500:47:51,286 --> 00:47:55,999In Paris, on the Champs Elyses,there was a very fancy restaurant...35600:47:56,166 --> 00:47:59,211and he was there with his court.35700:47:59,378 --> 00:48:03,632He had 12...Twelve persons at the table and him.35800:48:03,799 --> 00:48:07,844"Sit down.I want to ask something to you."35900:48:08,345 --> 00:48:09,846"What, Mr. Dali?"36000:48:10,847 --> 00:48:16,144"When we was young, myself andPicasso, we went to the beach."36100:48:16,645 --> 00:48:19,606And we open the door of the car...36200:48:19,773 --> 00:48:22,985"...always in the sand, we find a clock."36300:48:24,528 --> 00:48:25,988Clock, no?36400:48:26,405 --> 00:48:30,617"Do you find, in your life,a clock in the sand?"36500:48:32,327 --> 00:48:34,997And I say, "What I can answer?"36600:48:35,163 --> 00:48:37,040It was very quick, like this, because...36700:48:37,207 --> 00:48:39,751all the 12 personare awaiting my question.36800:48:39,918 --> 00:48:43,213Because if I say I find,all the time, clocks...36900:48:43,922 --> 00:48:48,385I will be a vanity person. Ridiculous.37000:48:48,802 --> 00:48:52,514If I say I never find a clock,I will be a poor guy.37100:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,559And suddenly came to me, I say:37200:48:55,726 --> 00:48:58,186"I never find a clock.37300:48:58,687 --> 00:49:00,981But I lost a lot."37400:49:03,942 --> 00:49:07,904"Okay!" And then,"I wait you in Barcelona!"37500:49:11,617 --> 00:49:13,243It was a game.37600:49:14,328 --> 00:49:19,916Also, Jodorowsky was partof the surrealist movement...37700:49:20,083 --> 00:49:21,543and Dali liked that.37800:49:21,710 --> 00:49:24,796So it was a game between them.37900:49:24,963 --> 00:49:27,049Who would win the game?38000:49:27,215 --> 00:49:29,635He was going through his first adventurewith Amanda Lear...38100:49:29,801 --> 00:49:34,097this sort ofextraordinarily sexy person.38200:49:34,264 --> 00:49:36,558Nobody ever knewif it was a man or a woman...38300:49:36,725 --> 00:49:40,687a completely incredible character.38400:49:42,230 --> 00:49:44,733A sort of muse, a poet's muse.38500:50:02,793 --> 00:50:05,587And you had to meet him,you had to tame him...38600:50:05,754 --> 00:50:07,798and he needed to tame you.38700:50:07,964 --> 00:50:11,093So he would make you gothrough these initiations each time.38800:50:36,201 --> 00:50:38,078She treated me very well...38900:50:38,412 --> 00:50:40,080and she became an ally...39000:50:40,247 --> 00:50:42,999because I promised her the roleof Princess irulan.39100:51:00,016 --> 00:51:04,896She said,"Be careful because Dali is destructive.39200:51:05,063 --> 00:51:07,899If he says 'yes', he is going to doeverything to destroy the film."39300:51:36,887 --> 00:51:40,307Dali say to me, "I will work with you..."39400:51:40,474 --> 00:51:44,269but I want to be the actor...39500:51:44,603 --> 00:51:46,980Best paid actor in Hollywood.39600:51:47,564 --> 00:51:52,527"I want $100,000 per hour."39700:51:52,986 --> 00:51:55,906I went back and told Alejandro,"We're never going to make it!"39800:51:56,072 --> 00:51:58,116But I couldn't pay him"the most in the world."39900:51:58,283 --> 00:51:59,326That would be impossible.40000:51:59,785 --> 00:52:00,994Then step by step...40100:52:01,161 --> 00:52:02,579because we were stubbornand because Alejandro would tell me...40200:52:02,746 --> 00:52:05,066that Dali was the only onewho could play the emperor...40300:52:05,540 --> 00:52:07,292the totalitarian emperor...40400:52:08,376 --> 00:52:11,922we had the idea of paying him...40500:52:12,088 --> 00:52:13,715by the minutes used.40600:52:14,382 --> 00:52:15,884I go to see Alejandro...40700:52:16,051 --> 00:52:17,594and ask, "How many minutesis he going to be filmed?"40800:52:17,761 --> 00:52:19,930How many minuteswill he be in the movie?"40900:52:20,764 --> 00:52:25,060Alejandro says,"Maximum five, probably three."41000:52:25,769 --> 00:52:26,929So I said, "That's the idea!"41100:52:27,103 --> 00:52:30,899I go back to see Dali and I say,"I will pay you $100,000 per minute!"41200:52:31,066 --> 00:52:36,196He says, "That's brilliant!I will be the $100,000 a minute actor!"41300:52:38,114 --> 00:52:42,202I said, "I will take a mold of you,hyper-realistic..."41400:52:42,369 --> 00:52:45,288and I will makethe emperor of the galaxy...41500:52:45,455 --> 00:52:50,627"...he is so afraid to be killed,he have a robot. And the robot will act."41600:52:55,841 --> 00:52:59,636And Dali said, "Yes, if you give methe sculpture for my museum."41700:53:00,470 --> 00:53:04,307"Okay." And then like this, I have Dali.41800:53:07,185 --> 00:53:12,941And Dali, in our conversation,show me a catalog of Giger.41900:53:14,192 --> 00:53:16,987And he say to me,"I think this person have a talent."42000:53:18,029 --> 00:53:21,032I see that, I see... But is incredible!42100:53:21,449 --> 00:53:24,661Is what I am searching forthe Harkonnen, for the bad guys.42200:53:25,787 --> 00:53:29,249The gothic planet, gothic characters.42300:53:29,416 --> 00:53:33,003And then I went to search Giger.42400:53:56,735 --> 00:54:04,735Paris was where Jodorowsky andDan O'Bannon saw my work displayed...42500:54:09,581 --> 00:54:15,962and they wanted me to join them.42600:54:21,343 --> 00:54:23,637Giger had never done movies.42700:54:24,721 --> 00:54:26,890I said, "You have to make movies."42800:54:27,057 --> 00:54:32,896It was completely new to meand incredibly fascinating.42900:54:34,147 --> 00:54:37,567"I say to Giger, " I need you as you are.43000:54:37,734 --> 00:54:43,073You are searching in the deepestdarkness of the soul.43100:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,575And that is good. That is your art.43200:54:45,742 --> 00:54:49,788Your art is... For me, is an ill art.43300:54:49,955 --> 00:54:53,708"Marvelous, ill art,necessary for the Baron Harkonnen."43400:54:55,418 --> 00:54:59,714I met Jodorowsky for the first timein Paris.43500:54:59,881 --> 00:55:05,804This was the evening when he attended...43600:55:05,971 --> 00:55:09,349a Magma concert.43700:55:15,188 --> 00:55:19,859For the Harkonnen planet,I chose here in Paris...43800:55:20,026 --> 00:55:22,696a very famous group in that time,is Magma.43900:55:23,905 --> 00:55:28,326Magma was gothic, military...44000:55:30,161 --> 00:55:31,329terrible.44100:55:35,291 --> 00:55:39,379I knew nothing about the project,or the idea...44200:55:40,755 --> 00:55:44,968or the book for that matter.I learned about all of that afterwards.44300:55:45,635 --> 00:55:49,764Alejandro Jodorowsky didn't give usany direction on the music.44400:55:49,973 --> 00:55:51,933I believe he trusted us.44500:55:52,434 --> 00:55:58,231Now, I had an idea because he haddescribed the planet, the Harkonnen.44600:55:58,398 --> 00:56:00,358I knew that they were not reallythe good guys...44700:56:00,525 --> 00:56:02,485that they were more like the bad guys.44800:56:02,652 --> 00:56:04,738So it was rather easyto imagine because...44900:56:05,488 --> 00:56:10,118Magma made musicthat was rather violent...45000:56:10,285 --> 00:56:12,495typically hard, things like that.45100:56:16,041 --> 00:56:20,295I was just amazed by the quality...45200:56:20,462 --> 00:56:26,593and I told them I felt just likeChrist when he was on the cross.45300:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,306I was fulfilled,it was fascinating, the music.45400:56:33,266 --> 00:56:38,688I was using the best musiciansof this time, from rock.45500:56:50,450 --> 00:56:54,871I wanted Mick Jagger to playFeyd-Rautha, a character.45600:57:00,168 --> 00:57:05,757How am I going to contact this person...45700:57:05,924 --> 00:57:10,178who is not going to be impressed thatI have the great power to make a movie?45800:57:10,345 --> 00:57:15,725He is in the peak of hisfame, of his glory. How?45900:57:15,892 --> 00:57:19,896And I was invited to an event in Paris.46000:57:20,063 --> 00:57:22,732It was a big gatheringof the Parisian bourgeoisie...46100:57:22,899 --> 00:57:25,068and at the other side of the room,a big room...46200:57:25,235 --> 00:57:29,114I don't know,maybe 150 square meters...46300:57:29,572 --> 00:57:31,741was Mick Jagger.46400:57:31,908 --> 00:57:35,829I saw him from a distanceand I think he saw me...46500:57:35,995 --> 00:57:38,998and I saw him walking,he started walking...46600:57:39,165 --> 00:57:42,293He started walking between the people...46700:57:42,502 --> 00:57:45,088and then I realizedthat he was coming to me.46800:57:45,255 --> 00:57:48,925He crossed the roomand he stood in front of me.46900:57:49,092 --> 00:57:51,594And I told him, "I want you for my movie."47000:57:51,761 --> 00:57:54,806And he said only one word, "Yes."47100:57:56,808 --> 00:58:01,229I was often invitedto Andy Warhol's Factory...47200:58:01,437 --> 00:58:03,773Candy Darling, and all those people.47300:58:03,940 --> 00:58:08,945There I met Udo Kier,who was Andy Warhol's great actor.47400:58:13,032 --> 00:58:16,953He had played great roles,and he said that he would act for me.47500:59:42,121 --> 00:59:46,501Baron Harkonnen is a big, big monster...47600:59:48,086 --> 00:59:51,881who have anti-gravitational implants...47700:59:52,048 --> 00:59:54,884and he is in the air all the timebecause he is too heavy.47800:59:58,763 --> 01:00:00,265Orson Welles.47901:00:07,397 --> 01:00:11,276Orson Welles had a bad reputation...48001:00:11,442 --> 01:00:15,989because they saidthat he liked to drink and eat...48101:00:16,864 --> 01:00:18,908so much that he ate at the movies.48201:00:19,075 --> 01:00:24,205He ate a lot, and then he did notfinish the movies, he was moody.48301:00:24,372 --> 01:00:29,210But I said, "No, Orson Wellesis a genius, he is the one."48401:00:29,836 --> 01:00:35,216And since he liked to eat, they say he goesto the gastronomic restaurants in Paris.48501:00:35,383 --> 01:00:39,595Therefore, I sent a secretary to ask...48601:00:39,762 --> 01:00:44,100in all the gastronomic restaurantsin Paris:48701:00:44,267 --> 01:00:47,478"Where does Orson Welles eat?"48801:00:48,604 --> 01:00:51,607And we discover a restaurantand then he was eating.48901:00:51,774 --> 01:00:55,111Six bottles of wine. He was eating.49001:00:55,278 --> 01:01:00,950And then I asked to the chef,"What is the best wine he want?"49101:01:01,617 --> 01:01:04,412He say, "That."Then, "Send him a bottle."49201:01:05,038 --> 01:01:08,082And then, he drink the bottleand he want to speak with me.49301:01:09,000 --> 01:01:14,380And then, I speak with all the respect,because was for me was an idol.49401:01:15,006 --> 01:01:19,844He say, "I don't want to do it.I don't want any more."49501:01:20,470 --> 01:01:24,932I say to him, "I will propose something."49601:01:25,099 --> 01:01:29,687If you do the picture, even ifwe pay what you want as an actor...49701:01:29,896 --> 01:01:35,943"...I will hire the chef of this restaurantand you will eat, as here, every day."49801:01:36,277 --> 01:01:37,820And he say, "I do it."49901:01:42,158 --> 01:01:47,246I had the artworks from the movie...50001:01:47,413 --> 01:01:53,669which I got from Moebius, who drewthe storyboard, where one can see...50101:01:53,836 --> 01:01:57,173the Harkonnen Castle.50201:01:58,132 --> 01:02:02,470The castle was the big Baron Harkonnen,no? The big sculpture.50301:02:04,472 --> 01:02:06,808That was where Baron Harkonnen lived.50401:02:06,974 --> 01:02:09,852In himself! The big ego, no?50501:02:13,314 --> 01:02:17,193The castle open the mouth,a tongue go there, out...50601:02:18,778 --> 01:02:21,114and the spaceship came in the tongue.50701:02:38,756 --> 01:02:44,846I was fascinated by the creationof the Harkonnen people...50801:02:45,012 --> 01:02:51,727and when I airbrushed five paintings...50901:02:51,894 --> 01:02:57,692I gave my best to create these designs.51001:03:22,175 --> 01:03:26,637In order to go to the castle,there is a way with tubes.51101:03:26,804 --> 01:03:31,017Enormous tubes. Come out knife.51201:03:32,226 --> 01:03:39,192And then in order to go to the BaronHarkonnen, you need to walk this way...51301:03:40,943 --> 01:03:44,238"escaping of the big knifewho want to destroy you."51401:03:44,822 --> 01:03:50,411If attacked, then the spears would beset in motion and impale the people...51501:03:50,578 --> 01:03:57,585who stood in the wayon the pathway up the castle.51601:03:57,919 --> 01:04:04,342And in fact this Harkonnen fortresswas never in the novel.51701:04:04,842 --> 01:04:11,474So this was somehowin Alejandro Jodorowsky's translation...51801:04:13,351 --> 01:04:18,481his interpretation of the story.51901:04:48,553 --> 01:04:52,306When Paul get killed,he doesn't die because...52001:04:52,473 --> 01:04:57,186the Messiah is all the humanitycan get enlightened.52101:05:04,193 --> 01:05:10,366In the end, his mind is the mindof every person. He's a plural being.52201:05:10,533 --> 01:05:14,870I am the others. The others are me.52301:05:56,078 --> 01:05:58,998And then, if the whole humanityget enlightened...52401:06:00,625 --> 01:06:01,959the Earth changed.52501:06:06,297 --> 01:06:08,257The planet of sand...52601:06:08,424 --> 01:06:14,597start to grow plant, animals,be like a paradise.52701:06:30,821 --> 01:06:36,369Dune is a Messiah of the planetsbecause is a planet with consciousness.52801:06:36,535 --> 01:06:38,663With the same consciousness of Paul.52901:06:38,829 --> 01:06:41,290And the planet go to the universe...53001:06:41,457 --> 01:06:43,292to illuminate the other planets.53101:06:48,881 --> 01:06:50,883I changed the end of the book,evidently!53201:06:51,467 --> 01:06:53,386In the book, it's a continuation.53301:06:53,552 --> 01:06:56,138The planet never changed.53401:06:57,515 --> 01:07:01,602Is not awake,with a cosmic consciousness.53501:07:02,311 --> 01:07:04,855It's not a Messiah, the planet. I did that.53601:07:06,273 --> 01:07:07,983It's different. It was my Dune.53701:07:11,195 --> 01:07:14,699When you make a picture,you must not respect the novel.53801:07:15,324 --> 01:07:17,702It's like you get married, no?53901:07:17,868 --> 01:07:21,497You go with the wife,white, the woman is white...54001:07:21,664 --> 01:07:26,168you take the woman, if you respectthe woman, you will never have child.54101:07:27,461 --> 01:07:31,090You need to open the costume and to...54201:07:31,257 --> 01:07:33,926To rape the bride.54301:07:34,468 --> 01:07:38,264And then you will have your picture.54401:07:38,681 --> 01:07:43,519I was raping Frank Herbert,raping, like this!54501:07:43,686 --> 01:07:46,063But with love, with love.54601:07:48,816 --> 01:07:50,693And then I came with that.54701:07:54,447 --> 01:07:56,449It was such a beautiful object.54801:07:56,615 --> 01:08:00,202So well done and at the time,there were no photocopies.54901:08:00,369 --> 01:08:02,747It was just photos of each drawing.55001:08:03,205 --> 01:08:04,457In color...55101:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,917so well done...55201:08:07,084 --> 01:08:12,256with so much detail aboutthe costumes, about the techniques used.55301:08:12,673 --> 01:08:16,010Every studio have one book like this.Every studio.55401:08:16,177 --> 01:08:19,096Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Universal,everything, all them...55501:08:19,263 --> 01:08:23,225Michel Seydoux give a book like that.55601:08:24,185 --> 01:08:28,564This approach was chosenprecisely because...55701:08:28,731 --> 01:08:33,194I was thinking they might havea certain distrust of Jodorowsky.55801:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,115But since we were showing the cameraangles, since we explained each scene...55901:08:38,282 --> 01:08:40,659the way we wanted to film it...56001:08:40,826 --> 01:08:42,661they should have been relieved.56101:08:43,412 --> 01:08:46,081But they weren't. It wasn't enough.56201:08:54,465 --> 01:08:57,426In Los Angeles, I wasn't optimistic.56301:08:59,419 --> 01:09:01,739The thing is that sometimesthe French and the Americans...56401:09:01,764 --> 01:09:04,683have difficult relationships, you know.56501:09:04,850 --> 01:09:06,769Well, we have had.56601:09:06,936 --> 01:09:12,900We were almost at the finish line,but we had to find the last $5 million.56701:09:13,776 --> 01:09:17,238The film cost $15 million.Well, we estimated it as $15...56801:09:18,239 --> 01:09:22,868We had been invited to Walt Disneystudios by the chairman of the board.56901:09:24,078 --> 01:09:27,122He looked through the project and said:57001:09:27,289 --> 01:09:30,835"This is a wonderful project..."57101:09:31,418 --> 01:09:33,420but it is like the Concorde.57201:09:33,587 --> 01:09:37,299"It's an exceptional plane,but over here, never!"57301:09:37,466 --> 01:09:42,429And there I said to myself thatwe were going to face a lot of problems.57401:10:11,458 --> 01:10:13,794They always received usin a very friendly way...57501:10:13,961 --> 01:10:16,881but it was always the same answer.57601:10:18,340 --> 01:10:21,051When we would give them the book,they were very impressed.57701:10:21,218 --> 01:10:23,178They had never seen anything like it.57801:10:23,929 --> 01:10:28,976Each time, they would tell us,"it's superb. It's very well constructed."57901:10:29,894 --> 01:10:33,522You've solved the technical problemsof those special effects.58001:10:34,523 --> 01:10:35,858It's economically reasonable.58101:10:37,276 --> 01:10:39,612"But we don't get your director."58201:10:48,537 --> 01:10:53,584Hollywood did not visualizescience fiction that way.58301:10:53,751 --> 01:10:56,962It was in 2001: A Space Odyssey...58401:10:57,129 --> 01:10:59,423or in small B movies.58501:10:59,590 --> 01:11:04,470But a huge movie, that would costmillions of dollars with all the effects.58601:11:04,637 --> 01:11:06,889They did not conceive of that.58701:11:07,264 --> 01:11:08,599Maybe it was a bit long as well.58801:11:08,766 --> 01:11:13,437Maybe the film was a bit too long.58901:11:14,438 --> 01:11:20,903They asked me to make a pictureone hour and a half, for the theaters.59001:11:21,070 --> 01:11:24,740And myself, "No, why the time?"I will make a picture...59101:11:24,907 --> 01:11:28,619of 12 hours! Or 2O hours!59201:11:54,770 --> 01:11:56,897The totally outrageous sideof Jodorowsky...59301:11:57,064 --> 01:12:01,610especially afterThe Holy Mountain and EITopo...59401:12:02,111 --> 01:12:05,406did not give them faith that he couldlead this very ambitious project.59501:12:05,572 --> 01:12:09,702Because $15 million in the middleof the '70s was a lot of money.59601:12:10,369 --> 01:12:13,580And that was their answer, even thoughthey found everything else to be perfect.59701:12:13,747 --> 01:12:15,791Everything was great,except the director.59801:12:16,291 --> 01:12:18,460You have to be like a poet.59901:12:18,627 --> 01:12:22,214Your movie must be just as youthink of it and just as you want it.60001:12:22,381 --> 01:12:27,302Do not take comments to change thisor that from this person or the other. No!60101:12:28,470 --> 01:12:31,849The movie has to be just like I dream it.60201:12:32,016 --> 01:12:37,563The picture need to be exactlyas I am dreaming the picture.60301:12:37,730 --> 01:12:40,733Is a dream. Don't change my dream.60401:12:59,543 --> 01:13:02,755This system make of us slaves.60501:13:03,297 --> 01:13:06,425Without dignity. Without depth.60601:13:08,135 --> 01:13:12,014With a devil in our pocket.60701:13:13,182 --> 01:13:16,518This incredible money are in the pocket.60801:13:16,685 --> 01:13:20,230This money. This shit.60901:13:21,065 --> 01:13:25,235This nothing.This paper who have nothing inside.61001:13:27,362 --> 01:13:29,656Movies have heart.61101:13:32,242 --> 01:13:33,660Have mind.61201:13:35,454 --> 01:13:36,955Have power.61301:13:37,873 --> 01:13:39,708Have ambition.61401:13:39,875 --> 01:13:43,087I wanted to do something like that.Why not?61501:14:53,282 --> 01:14:57,452Very disappointed. Very disappointedbecause we all believed in it.61601:14:57,619 --> 01:14:59,746I believed in it.61701:15:07,462 --> 01:15:09,506Now, this is my take on it...61801:15:09,673 --> 01:15:11,925but I think he didn't feel like...61901:15:12,092 --> 01:15:16,930doing something elseafter such a project...62001:15:17,097 --> 01:15:20,267which was the project of his life,I believe. That's my feeling.62101:15:20,434 --> 01:15:22,728I think that the humiliation...62201:15:22,895 --> 01:15:25,981that Alejandro Jodorowsky suffered,in not having been chosen...62301:15:26,148 --> 01:15:30,986in having been eliminated for beingtoo original, being too surrealistic...62401:15:31,320 --> 01:15:32,696that is a permanent injury.62501:15:32,863 --> 01:15:35,824I think that Jodorowskycarries that in his heart for life.62601:15:40,245 --> 01:15:45,083I was convinced that it would besomething great.62701:15:45,250 --> 01:15:50,422But then Dino De Laurentiis' daughter...62801:15:50,589 --> 01:15:54,593came along and took the projectaway from us...62901:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,471and gave it to David Lynch.63001:16:12,778 --> 01:16:17,866And when I heard that David Lynchwill direct that...63101:16:18,033 --> 01:16:22,454I have a pain because I admireDavid Lynch. He can do it!63201:16:22,621 --> 01:16:26,959He is the only one in this momentwho can do it that and he will do it!63301:16:28,293 --> 01:16:33,048I suffer because was my dream.Another person will do that...63401:16:33,715 --> 01:16:35,634maybe better than me.63501:16:36,718 --> 01:16:39,930And then when the picture,they will show the picture here...63601:16:40,555 --> 01:16:44,226I say I will not go to see thatbecause I will die.63701:16:44,726 --> 01:16:50,107And my sons say, "No, we are warriors.You need to come and to see that."63801:16:51,108 --> 01:16:55,696And then they take me,like an ill person I came to the theater.63901:16:57,614 --> 01:17:01,493Even I think I will cry.And I start to see the picture...64001:17:01,660 --> 01:17:05,289and step by step, step by step,step by step...64101:17:05,455 --> 01:17:08,917I became happybecause the picture was awful!64201:17:17,551 --> 01:17:18,969Is a failure!64301:17:20,304 --> 01:17:23,223Well, it's a human reaction, no?64401:17:24,516 --> 01:17:27,644Is not beautiful,but I have that reaction.64501:17:28,353 --> 01:17:33,859I say, "ls not possible. Ls not David Lynchbecause he is a big artist."64601:17:34,026 --> 01:17:36,153ls the producer who did that.64701:17:36,737 --> 01:17:39,823I've never seen the movie and I never will.64801:18:25,410 --> 01:18:31,083From this supposed failure,come a lot of creation.64901:18:32,709 --> 01:18:37,381In the life, thing come, you say "yes."65001:18:37,589 --> 01:18:40,175Thing go away, you say "yes."65101:18:40,342 --> 01:18:42,135We don't do Dune? Yes!65201:18:43,261 --> 01:18:45,180That is, yes, we don't do it!65301:18:45,347 --> 01:18:46,932And then so what?65401:18:47,557 --> 01:18:49,476And then so what?65501:18:50,185 --> 01:18:55,649Dune is in the world like a dream,but dreams change the world also.65601:19:09,871 --> 01:19:11,123I think it was a guide.65701:19:11,289 --> 01:19:12,374A guide for some.65801:19:12,541 --> 01:19:17,212In any case, I am convincedthat our storyboard...65901:19:17,379 --> 01:19:19,139made the roundsin the halls of Hollywood.66001:19:19,214 --> 01:19:22,592I can't imagine that isn't the case.It pleases me to imagine that.66101:19:22,759 --> 01:19:24,199You always have to see the positive.66201:22:19,644 --> 01:22:23,189Giger. He make the monster of Alien.66301:22:26,735 --> 01:22:29,362Why he make the monster of Alien?66401:22:29,529 --> 01:22:31,072Because Dan O'Bannon.66501:22:32,657 --> 01:22:34,367O'Bannon create Alien.66601:22:38,246 --> 01:22:42,500They take Moebius,they take Giger, Foss.66701:22:48,089 --> 01:22:52,177And Hollywood start to use my group.66801:22:53,887 --> 01:22:55,263Was very fantastic.66901:23:48,274 --> 01:23:51,403And then Moebius say to me,"What you will do? You will die?"67001:23:52,821 --> 01:23:54,739No, I will not die.67101:23:54,906 --> 01:23:58,201For me to fail is only to change the way.67201:23:59,119 --> 01:24:00,495If we don't do that...67301:24:01,371 --> 01:24:04,124the Dune we was doing is...67401:24:04,708 --> 01:24:10,130The roots are the Dune of Herbert.But this Dune is us.67501:24:10,505 --> 01:24:13,675Is the optical. Ls a creation.67601:24:14,134 --> 01:24:18,722And then, I will use everythingI put in Dune to make comics.67701:24:19,264 --> 01:24:21,224I say to Moebius,"Why we don't do a comic?"67801:24:21,391 --> 01:24:23,351And I start to dictate The Inca/.67901:24:24,352 --> 01:24:27,981A lot of images that are in hereare in here.68001:24:51,713 --> 01:24:56,301And then I find an Argentine,a Spanish, Juan Gimenez.68101:24:56,468 --> 01:25:01,890And there I make all the spaceshipI design for Dune are in The Metabarons.68201:25:02,682 --> 01:25:07,312Even the Duke Leto.I made him castrated by a bull...68301:25:07,479 --> 01:25:11,983and we find the sorcererwho will take a drop of his blood...68401:25:12,150 --> 01:25:13,568in order to make the child.68501:25:13,735 --> 01:25:18,281I did it here, is here, likeI was shooting! I did it.68601:25:19,532 --> 01:25:23,745I start with Dune, but I go farther, no?Farther.68701:25:24,287 --> 01:25:28,249I continue and I did it, my work.68801:25:33,463 --> 01:25:39,093I think Dune will be fantasticif somebody take this script...68901:25:39,260 --> 01:25:41,262even if I am not alive...69001:25:41,429 --> 01:25:44,390and do a picture in animation.69101:25:44,933 --> 01:25:46,810Now is possible.69201:25:46,976 --> 01:25:49,395I can die, they can do my picture.69301:25:51,606 --> 01:25:55,276I have 84 years, but I am still creating.69401:25:55,443 --> 01:25:56,611I am not:69501:25:58,071 --> 01:26:02,992All my life I create,and is more and more and more.69601:26:03,201 --> 01:26:05,119The mind is like a universe.69701:26:06,287 --> 01:26:08,998It's constantly expanding.69801:26:09,165 --> 01:26:12,919Like the universe,exactly like the universe, open the mind.69901:26:13,086 --> 01:26:17,340The opening of the mind is every day,is open.70001:26:18,424 --> 01:26:24,055That was this picture. Open the mindof all the persons who worked there.70101:26:24,681 --> 01:26:28,142From the producer to the artists.From the workers...70201:26:28,309 --> 01:26:33,398for every one was an openingof the mind, this work.70301:26:34,232 --> 01:26:38,778Was ambitious, but not too.Was ambitious.70401:26:38,945 --> 01:26:41,948Myself, I have the ambitionto live 300 years.70501:26:42,824 --> 01:26:47,078I will not live 300 years.Maybe I will live one year more.70601:26:47,245 --> 01:26:48,830But I have the ambition.70701:26:49,372 --> 01:26:52,125Why you will not have ambition?70801:26:53,209 --> 01:26:54,335Why?70901:26:55,712 --> 01:26:59,048Have the greatest ambition possible.71001:26:59,507 --> 01:27:02,260You want to be immortal?Fight to be immortal.71101:27:03,261 --> 01:27:05,179Do it.71201:27:05,513 --> 01:27:10,518You want to makethe most fantastic art of movie? Try.71301:27:12,061 --> 01:27:14,564If you fail, is not important.71401:27:16,065 --> 01:27:17,358We need to try.71501:27:19,065 --> 01:27:27,358For more new Movies go toG2G.fm