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B? Ky hfcpbr`sfg w `te ted trbm`t`fgb n Kr`t`se h`gdcb, tfmby'scfv`ds mdcfgstrbtd b cuhe w`md hef`hd fl sukodht brdb bkfut
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R ? Q ebt mf yfu lddn bkf ut ted dx fm us fl sf c bgy tbndgtdm Kr`t`se
l`nccbjdrs tf Bcdr`hbg bgm dnsdwedrd6
B ? Q edg yfu mdbn w`te ted Kr`t`se h`gd c b, yf u mdb n `g qu`td b
hfcp n`hbtdm sukodht. Dhfgfc `hbnny, K r`tb`g h bg t sup pf rt suhebg `gmustry. ]e drd `s bnsf ted pnb`g lbht tebt Bc dr`hb rdp rdsdgts ,
tf cbg y l`nccbjdrs, ted hebg hd tf cf vd k dyf gm ted kbrr`drs fl
hnbss, s`ghd hnbss `s gft cuhe fl b hfgs`mdrbt`fg `g Bcdr`hb.
[`mndy Xhftt, lfr dxbcpnd, bnsf kdnfgas tf tebt adgdrbt`fg tebt
ardw up cbj`ga cfv`ds lfr tdndv`s`fg bgm brd, tedrdlfrd, `gtdr-
dstdm `g stynd bgm tdheg`qud”bgm `g n`ttnd dnsd.
@ wfunm bnsf cd gt`fg M bv`m Y utg bc edr d. ]e d m`lldrdghd kd -twddg sby Bnbg Ybrjdr bgm Mbv`m Yutgbc, wef brd lr`dgms, `s
tebt Yutgbc `s sfc dkfm y w ef mdspdrbtdny wb gts tf kdh fc d
sfc dkf my , wef `s pbrt fl ted dstbkn`sec dgt. cdbg ed s b sgfk.
]ed ardbtdst ofy lfr Yutgbc wfunm kd tf kd X`r Mbv`m Yutgbc.
Ed gf mfukt w`nn adt tebt t`tnd `l ed a`vds dgfuae cfgdy tf te`s
hebr`ty bgm tebt hbusd. Xf Yutgbc `s vdry m`v`mdm `g e`s btt`tumd
tfwbrm Bc dr`hb. Ed hb g t hfp d w`te t bgm lb`ndm tdrr`kny. t wbsg t
ted l`rst t`cd. [dcdckdr te`s. Kdlfrd Hebr`fts fl L`rd Yutgbcspdgt twf ydbrs `g Nfs Bgadnds bs ted edbm fl l`nccbj`ga lfr
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sfc d rdhfrm hfc pbg y. Ed lb`ndm. ]e dg ed bhhdptdm ted H fnuc -
k`b ofk, tbj`ga fg ted Bcdr`hbg l`nc `gmustry n`jd b hfcpndtd
`m`ft. Ed lb`ndm b ab`g . Ed s g ft n`jd Ybrjdr. Ybrjdr e bs gf t c bm d
ted sbcd c`stbjds. Ybrjdr `s b lunny bhhrdm`tdm Bcdr`hbg l`nc-
c bjd r gfw . Ed s gft b Kr`t`se l`ncc bjdr bg yc fr d.
R ? C bgy fl yfu r l ncs mdb n w`te trbm`t`fg bg m efw Kr`tfgs mdb n w`te
`t `g ted`r mb`ny n`vds. Mf yfu te`gj Dgan`se pdfpnd, `g pbrt`hunbr,
brd tfrg kdtwddg trbm`t`fg bgm cfvdcdgt bwby lrfc `t6
B? @ ebv d bg bc k`vbndgt lddn`ga tfw brms trbm`t`fg. @ ebvd b pbrt`hu-
nbrny strfga susp`h`fg tfwbrms trbm`t`fg wedg `t nfsds @ts v`tbn`ty
bg m trute, wed g `t kd hf c ds s`cpny b pfn`t`h`bg s hn`heà. Q edgC brabrdt ]ebthe dr tbnjs bk fu t ted Lbnjnbgms, sby`ga wd rd b
rdbt Kr`tb`g bab`g, tebt bppdbn tf b trbm`t`fg fl ardbtgdss `s
bks urm ” bgm kbm . Kut `t s b hfcpn`hbtdm qudst`fg bt ted c f-
cdgt wedg b mdh`s`fg ebs tf kd cbmd bs tf wedtedr wd wdrd
af`ga tf mdldgm ted Lbnjnbgms. @ mf g t gdhdssbr`ny te`gj ted
wrfga mdh`s`fg wbs cb md , sf 2 m fg t of`g `g ted hry fl Q brc fg -
adr ]ebthedr. Fg ted ftedr ebgm, wd sefunm ebvd gdvdr afttdg
tf tebt stbad . @l `t w drd g t lfr fur `gdp t`tumd, `t wf unm gdv dr eb vdeb pp dg dm . ] ebt s webt wbs rdbnny wrfga. ]edg s ed usdm ted
we fnd trba`h bht`fg bs b rfybn pnuc tf lddm pd fp nd s pbtr`ft`h
ldrvfr, we`he @ l`gm m`saus t`ga. Pfu hfunm sby ted kf ys `g @l wdrd
trbm`t`fgbn`sts, we`he sfu gm dm pbrbmfx `hbn kdhbu sd bnn ted bp pb -
rbtu s fl trbm`t`fg bpp db rs tf kd fg ted s`md fl butefr`ty, ku t te bt s
gft gdhdssbr`ny trud. ]edy brd pbrt fl ted trbm`t`fg fl `gmdpdg-
md g hd , ted r`aets fl ted `gm `v`mubn, ted r`aet tf qud st`fg butefr`ty
bgm tf kdebvd lrddny. Qedg trbm`t`fgs ebvd kdhfcd lfss`n`zdm,bgm `gstbghds fl rdbht`fg bs wdnn, tedg tedy ebvd tf kd rdkdnndm
bab`gst. ]ebt bht `g `tsdnl `s b trbm`t`fg.
R ? @g / /, webt m`m yfu ebvd `g c`gm wedg ted edbm c bstdr wdgt up
`g b pull fl scfjd6
B? @t c by ebv d kd dg b c`stbjd. 2 te`gj `t cby k d b c`stbj d. @ nn tdnn
yfu twf te`gas bk fu t teb t. \dry fltdg we`nd yfu rd hrdbt`ga yf u
ebv d tf c bjd b qu`hj mdh`s`fg. F gd te`ga @ ebm `g c`gm w bs @
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vdry m`ll`hunt lfr cd tf `cba`gd tebt C `hj `s af`ga tf w`g .
R ? Mbv`m Xedrw`g (ted l`nc s shr`ptwr`tdr) sb`m tebt ky ted l`nc sdgm`ga C`hj ebs kdhfcd b cfgstdr bs kbm bs ted systdc edl`aets bab`gst.
B ? ]ebt s `m`ft`h. @ mfg t jgfw wey ed sb`m tebt. @ te`gj tebt shfcpndtdny ugtrud. C`hj `sg t bs k`a b cfgstdr bs ted systdc.]ebt s s`nny. Ed s bhtubnny gft b cfgstdr bt bnn. Ed s tdrr`l`dm, flhfursd, bntefuae t s up tf yfu tf mdtdrc`gd webt yfu sdd fg ted
shrddg. @ te`gj bt ted dgm fl // C `hj `s bksfnutdny mdspdrbtd. @t soust e`c bgm te`s scbnn kbgm fl lfnnfwdrs. ]ebt s b nn ed s aft.
R? Qebt wbs g yfur c`gm wedg C`hj s adtt`ga e`s kdbt`ga6 Pfu hut
tf ted kfys n`stdg`ga, kut yfu dgm up w `te Ydbguts nffj`ga g ted
c`hrfshfpd bt webt bppdbrs tf kd hdnn m`v `s`fg .
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FEvdr sfc dw edrd. @t's vdry strbgad . Kut yfu sef unm sdd ]ed
Lbnldg @mfn” `t s b vdry affm l`nc.
R ? F gd hr`t`h fghd sb`m bk fu t Kr`tbgg`b Efsp`tbn, `g rdldrdghd tf `ts
tfgd, tebt yfu e bm rdsfrtdm tf rbgt`g a `gstdbm fl w`t. Q eb t's yf ur
rdbht`fg6
B? [ukk`se P fu jgf w tedy rdbnny br d bnn `m`fts @ te`gj ted c fv`d `s
v`fndgt, dxtrdcdny v`fndgt. Qd n`vd `g b vdry v`fndgt wfrnm.
Bgftedr hr`t`h bt ted t`cd sb`m ted cfv`d wbs efpdndss. Qdnn
tebt's webt `t's n`jdny tf kd bt b t`cd fl m`sbstdr. @ hbg't ednp ted
kfura df`s hr`t`h w ef nfgas tf kd ndlt bnfg d, w ef g dd ms bs su rbg hd .
]edy wb gt tf kd rdbss urdm . ]e d gd brd r yfu adt tf ted tdrr`ly`gatrute, ted c frd tedy wbg t gft oust tf dv bm d `t, kut tf m`shrdm`t y fu
bs wdnn. X f, yf u af fll tf sdd B L`se Hbnndm Qbgmb.
R ? Efw m`m yfu hfc d tf m`rdht Qebnds fl Buaust6 @t sd dc s tf kd
vdry m`lldrdgt tebg bgyte`ga dnsd yfu'vd dvdr m`rdhtdm.
B ? Qdnn `t `s, kut bgy kf my w ef w bs g't he`hjdg wf unm bhhd pt ted
fpp frtug `ty tf m`rdht N`nn`bg A`se bg m Kd ttd M bv`s. @t `s te d ndbst
pfn`t`hbn fl cy cft`fg p`hturds. Kut fgd hbg ebvd m`lldrdgt
btt`tumds: fgd hbg c bjd m`lldrdgt hef `hds lfr m`lldrdgt rdb sf gs ,
bs b tedbtdr m`rdhtfr `s n`jdny tf cbjd m`lldrdgt hef`hds. @ cdbg
fg d c `aet sby wey mf yf u m`rdht b pnby ky He dj fv `gstdbm fl b
pnby w`te hfgtdcpfrbry sfh`bn `cpn`hbt`fgs n`jd Cbrhe fg [us-
s`b, we`he @ ebvd m`rdhtdm 6 ]e d p f`g t `s te`s `sg't b hfgln`ht. @'vd
c bm d l`ncs tebt ebvd strfga sfh`bn `cpn`hbt`fgs, kut try`ga tf k d
fkodht`vd bk fu t cy wfrj, w e`he `s bnw bys m`ll`hunt, @ te`gj c y
wfrj e bs bnwbys sefwg bg dxtrdc dny strfga eucb g`st`h btt `tumd.
]ebt's ted j`gm fl l`nc tebt Qeb`ds fl Buaust `s. X f te`gj teb t l
bgyfgd nffjdm bt cy wfrj terfuae ted ydbrs tedy wfunm sdd
dndcdgts fl nyr`h`sc `g tefsd wfrjs bgm `g Qebnds fl Buaust. 2
kdn`dvd Qebnds fl Buaust ebs b cfrd rdhfag`zbknd pfdt`h stynd
tebg Fg Afnmdg Yfgm @t s cf rd nyr`hbn. Bntefuae te bt, fl hfu rsd,
wb s b c uhe cfrd pfpunbr `nc kd hb us d `t's cu he c frd shecbntzy.
R ? E fw m`m yfu l`gm wfrj`ga w`te Kdttd Mbv`s6
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Ky ted wby, @ 'vd spdgt ted nbst ydbr `g ]frfgtf cbj`ga b c`g`-
sdr`ds lfr Efcd Kfx Fll`hd. @t's hbnndm AnfrW Anfr^: @ tffj tebt
fg kdhbusd, bch`z`gany, ted shr`pt turgdm fut tf kd qu`td affm.
2 wbs vdry bstfg`sedm ky `t bhtubnny. ]ebt mf ds e bv d sfc drdndvbghd tf sfc d fl ted te`gas ebvd m fg d. Kut @ 'm sby tebt @ 'vd
tbjdg bmvbgtbad fl fppfrtug`t`ds tf cbjd l`ncs futs`md fl
Kr`tb`g, cb`gny kdhbusd ted pfss`k`n`t`ds fl l`nccbj`ga `g Kr`tb`g
lfr sf c df gd fl cy tdc pd rb c dg t brd vdry m`ll`hunt, vdrv n`c`tdm.
] eb t's we bt @ sb`m dbrn`dr bkf ut ted prdsdgt hfglfrc`sc `g
Kr`tb`g. ]ed v`fndgt rdodht`fg fl cy nbst Kr`t`se l`nc, Kr`tbgg`b
Efsp`tbn, `s dv`mdghd fl te`s.
R ? Q ey m f yfu te`gj te`s wbs6
B ? Q d'r d bhh us tfc dm , tf pu t `t prdtdgt`fusny, tf b l`nc hunturd `g
we`he bksurm ny arf tdsq ud ef rrfr `s b pbrt fl b trbm`t`fg. Cy l`nc
w bs sf sbt`r`hbn tebt `t m dc bg m dm b sdgsd fl euc fr. Fl hfu rsd,
ted trfuk nd `s tebt pd fp nd e bv d kd au g tf te`gj `g hn`heàs. @l tedy
te`gj ted y'r d af `ga tf sdd b sbt`r`hbn sfh`bn l`nc, ted g ted y'rd gf t
prdpbrdm lfr ted j`gm fl dxtdgmdm sbt`rd prdsdgt `g Kr`tbgg`b
Efsp`tbn. ]ebt `g `tsdnl `s bhtubnny rdndvb gt. @t's sbt`r`hbn bk fu t tedhrbz`gdss fl ted prfardss fl sh`dghd. @g ted dgm fl ted l`nc, yfu
ebvd te`s hrd`zy mfhtfr wef `s cbj`ga bksfnutd sdgsd, kut fl
hfursd `t 's afgd kdyfgm e`s sdgsd `gtf lurtedr cbmgdss. Ky ted
dgm fl ted l`nc, yfu ebvd b l`nc tebt's pdss`c`st`h bkfut ted
pfss`k`n`ty lfr eucbg surv`vbn kdhbusd wd ebvd sh`dghd lfr
sh`dghd's sbjd bg m fut fl ted rdbnc fl b euc bg p urp fsd . X f ted
dgm `ga, fl hfursd, `s dxtrdcdny mbrj.
R ? M f yf u te`gj fl yfursdnl bs b c bg fl ted tedbtdr fr b c bg fl ted
h`gdcb6
B ? ]e d bgs w dr `s kf te rdbnny. @ 'vd kdd g dxtrdcdny nuhjy tf ebv d
kd dg bknd tf bntd rgb td. Bltdr @'vd c bm d b l`nc, @ eb vd g't ldnt bg
fvdrpfwdr`ga gddm tf cbjd bgftedr fgd. @g tebt wby, @ 'c b nft
n`jd Of e g L frm, w ef bt fg d t`cd sb`m? @ 'c gft b hbrddr c bg .
Ed ebm b lbgtbst`h hbrddr, dxhdpt tfw brms ted dgm fl hfursd, kut`g te`s sdgsd ed wbs vdry lfrtugbtd. E d gdvdr e bm tf s`t mf w g tf
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b l`nccbjdr. @ cd bg n 'c b l`ncc bjdr `g ted sdgsd tebt @ ebvd mfg d
sfcd l`ncs, kut @ 'c bcbzdm tebt @ 'vd cbgbadm tf mf dvdg tebt.
Bnsf, @ gdvdr ebvd hfcprfc`sdm. @ te`gj te`s `s wey, bt t`cds,
pdfp nd eds`tbtd tf sdgm c d shr`pts. Lfr fg d rdbsf g fr b gf tedr,
@'vd turgdm m fw g b nft fl tedc . @ mf g't te`gj @ 'vd cb md bgyte `ga
tebt rdprdsdgts b hfc prfc `sd, sf @ ebv dg't c bm d vdry c bg y
l`ncs. Kut bt ndbst ted fgd s @ 'vd c bm d, @ hbg stbgm ky tedc . @ te`gj
`t's `ghrdm`knd tf cbjd b c`g`-sdr`ds lfr EKF, `ghrdm`kny nuhjy
rdbnny, kdhbu sd @ m`m g't dv dg wfrj fg adtt`ga `t.
R ? Efw m`m Aery Anfry ebppdg6
B? @ te`gj `t ebp pdg dm kdhb usd ted prfm uhdr, we fsd gb c d `s
Kfgg`d Mffr, ebm te`s `mdb fl b l`nc fr c`g`-sdr`ds bkfut
dvbgadn`sts fg tdndv`s`fg. Xed e bm te`s gf t`fg nfga kdlfrd ted k`a
shbgmbns `g rdhdgt ydbrs, we`he brd `gmd dm c frd lbrh`hbn teb g ted
l`nc wd c bm d. ]ed pdf pnd `g Aer^: AnfrSW bnn kd eb vd `g b rbtedr
gdlbr`fus wby lrfc t`cd tf t`cd, kut tedrd `s b hdrtb`g hebrc
bkfu t tedc. ]edy brd cuhe c frd hebrc`ga tebg tefsd pdfpnd
yfu sdd fg Bcdr`hbg tdndv`s`fg.
Qedg @ hbcd `gtf ted prfodht `t wbs nbtd, bgm EKF wbs vdry
shbrdm . Bntefuae tedy pu t cf gd y `gtf `t, tedy m `m g't rdbnny jgf w
wedtedr tedy wbgtdm tf af terfuae w`te `t fr gft. ]edy tfnm
Kfgg`d Mffr tebt sed cust adt b m`rdhtfr wef `s gft oust bgy
m`rdhtfr: ed cust kd spdh`bn. ]edy tr`dm G`hj [fda bgm ftedrs.
L`gbnny te d shr`pt brr`vdm ed rd , bg m @ n`jdm `t. 2 sb`m yd s, `t's
mdn`aetlun, bgm @
wdgt tf Nfs Bgadnds. Qd c dt ted EK F pdfp ndted rd. @ eb mg 't rdbnny rdbn`zdm te bt te`s w bs hruh`bn, tebt md pd gm -
`ga fg we bt @ sb`m bk fu t ted shr`pt wf unm m dtdrc `gd l E KF m`m
`t fr gf t. @ m`m qu`td b affm sbnds p`the, bg m tedy wdg t bed bm . ]e d
shr`pt eb m k ddg wr`ttdg kdlfrd ted wr`tdrs str`jd, we `he wb s tedg
`g prfardss, sf hfunmg't s`t mfwg bgm rd-wr`td `t. Xefft`ga ebm
tf kd stbrtdm bgm hfc pndtdm w`te`g twf c fg tes. @ tefua et te`s
w bs a rd b t Lfr fghd @'c gft af`ga tf af terfua e te`s Ednn @'nn tbjd
te`s shr`pt bs t `s. Qd m`m ebvd tf cbj d sfc d c`gfr hebgads, bg mw d m`m eb vd tf hu t, kut dssdgt`bnny `t w bs te d l`rst t`c d @ kbs`hbnny
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tedc, tedy'rd cuhe cfrd dxtrdcd, bgm cfrd fkgfx`fus, tebg
bgyte `ga `g fur c fv `d. Kut @ te`gj `t c bjd s ted l`nc rbte dr g`hd
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wr`td `t. Xtbg Mbg`dns `s b vdry `gtdrdst`ga hebp bgm b vdry affm
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R ? Hfunm yfu dnbkfrbtd fg wey yfu hbnndm Eu c perdy Odgg `gas ted
fgny Kr`t`se pf dt 6
B ? Pfu ebv d tf sdd e`s p`hturds. E d's vdry `c pfrtbg t bhtubnny.
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vdry nbrad gu c kd r fl l`ncs. Ed stbrtdm bs b pb`gtdr bgm ebm b v dry
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ted `mdbn t`cd lfr e`c tf kd bknd tf cbjd e`s l`ncs, we`he wdrd
vdry pbtr`ft`h w`tefut bgy mru c kdb t `g ted kbhjarfu gm. Q frj`ga
`g ted cdm`uc fl mf huc dgtbry h`gdcb, ed wbsg't bt bnn hfcc dr-
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ed wbs lrddny bknd tf dxprdss e`s strfga, pdrsfgbn, pbtr`ft`h
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wbr. Ed tr`dm tf af fg, kut ed m`mg't cbjd `t. Xfcdefw tebt
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cdgtbry h`gdcb bgm ofurgbn`sc. Mfhucdgtbry terfuae tdndv`-
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mfds Bgmdrsfg hfgs`mdr e`csdnl b pfdt6
R ? Qdnn, m f yfu rdabrm yfursdnl bs b pf dt6
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pf dt `g tebt sdgsd, @ c db g s fc dte`g a pbrt`hunbrny pdrsf gbn, b
nyr`hbn lddn`ga `g h`gdcb, hfgs`stdghy `g pdrsfgbn`ty w`te bg
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hfursd: ted wby ed usds ted hbc drb m`spnbys bg dbs`ny rdhfag`z-
bknd stynd.
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pfrbry Kr`t`se l`nccbjdrs n`jd Xt dp ed g Lrdbrs bg m Mdrdj O br c bg 6
B ? Qd uglfrtugbtdny sddc tf eb vd lbnndg hfc pndtdny lfr w eb t wd
hbnn ted butdur`st pe `nfsfpe y fl l`ncc bj`ga, tebt kd `ga ted
bksurm gft`fg tebt ted m`rdhtfr `s rdspfgs`knd lfr ted dgt`rd
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n`jd Xtdpe dg Lrdbrs. Q ebt yf u'r d te`gj`ga bk fu t b rd b hfu pnd fl
l`ncs wr`ttdg ky Ebg`l Jurd`se`. Qebtdvdr yfu te`gj fl Ebg`l
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wef `s gft `g bgy wby b rbm`hbn: ed bnsf m`rdhtdm Aucsefd `g
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c b m d . ]ed E`t bgm ed's oust m`rdhtdm M bga drfu s N`b`sfgs Qebt
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te`gj`ga. B ofurgbn`st w`nn cbjd b trdgm fut fl twf p`hturds, bgmtedy mf gddm cfrd bgbnyz`ga tebg tebt.
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H`gdcb, b rdnbtdm arfup fl ted <F's, bgm ted l`ncs cbmd `g ted
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mf g't af tf cfv `ds ted wby @ wfunm l wdrd b hr`t`h.
R ? F gd hr`t`h hnb`cdm, bk fu t Xtd pe dg Lrdbrs, tebt yfu hbg trust e`c
tf tbjd b p`dhd fl wfrj bgm gft cuhj `t up.
B ? Qdnn teb t's b hebrc `ga te`ga tf sby. Ky hfgtrbst Xtd pe dg wbs
kd`g a vdry j`gm tf c d we`nd ed w bs mf `ga b l`vd-pbrt sdr`ds kb sdm
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n`jd b cfv`d.
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Ed's kddg kndssdm bgm bnsf kddg vdry `gtdnn`adgt. Fgd fl
Xtdpedg's qubn`t`ds `s `gtdnn`adghd bgm heffs`ga tf mf affm
cbtdr`bn.
R ? Pfu'vd mfgd b nft fl wr`t`ga fg Ofeg Lfrm. Pdt ed 's hdrtb`gny gftb sfh`bn b`t`h `s ed6
B? Gf, gf, gf, ed wbsg't. Kut wfunm sby tebt ted hfgln`ht `g Lfrmkdtwddg trbm`t`fgbn`sc bgm `gm`v`mubn ty wbs dxtrdcdny strfga.]ed sdgsd fl ted `gmdpdgmdghd fl ted `gm`v`mubn cbjds e`c bg`gm`v`mubn st bgm bnsf b trbm`t`fgbn`st. Pfu sdd Lfrm wbs b ardbtbrt`st, kut bg brt`st w`te wefc tedrd `s b ardbt mbgadr tf
`gtdnndhtubn`zd bkfut tff cuhe. [dbm sfcd fl ted hfccdgtbryky sfcd fl ted nbttdr mby, webt yfu wfunm hbnn, butdur`sts. ]edrds b kffj ky ]ba Abnnbaedr w`te b nft fl affm rdsdbrhe `g `t, kut
`t's bksfnutdny `m`ft`h. @tsefw sted gddm fl ted `gtdnndhtubn hr`t`htf try tf hfgstruht sfcd `gtdnndhtubn hfghdpt`fg tebt w nn bhtubnnyoust`ly ted`r dx`stdghd, sf tedy s`t mfwg bgm wr`td b pbpdr bkfut`t bgm bkfut ted pdss`c`sc fl Lfrm. Cy brn`ga H ndcdgt`gd sgft b pdss`c`st`h l`nc, gfr `s Xed Qfrd b Pdnnfw [`kkfg ]edy
wfunm try tf cbjd fut, n`jd Ydtdr Kfamfgbv`he, tebt tedrd `s bprfardss`fg tf pdss`c`sc.
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tedcsdnvds. @ mf g t te`gj tedy dgn`aetdg pdf pnd.
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dssdgt`bn tf stumy, kut b e`stfry fl h`gdcb gft gdbrny mdbn`ga sf
cuhe w`te bdstedt`h m`lldrdghds. @t sefunm k d cu he c frd `g-
vfnvdm w`te ted sfh`bn `cpn`hbt`fgs bgm ted dhfgfc`h prfkndcs
fl h`gdc b. ] ed rd s b ardbt mdbn tf m`shuss kdlfrd f gd adts fg tf
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dxp dr`dghd fl brt. ]edy brd bg dg m `g tedcsdnvds. ] f wr`td bk fu t
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tebt sf c d fl Lf rm s l`ncs wdrd wr`ttdg ky Mumndy G`hefns, sfc d
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eb m gf te`ga dnsd tf m f . Pfu ebv d tf cbjd tedsd m`lldrdgt`bt`fgs.
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wdrd hbpbk nd dvdg fl cdg t`fg`ga b wr`tdr. Xf c fst fl we bt tedywdrd tbnj`ga wbs rukk`se, bhtubnny. ]edy wdrd hfgstruht`ga bg
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Lfrm, mur`ga f gd `gtdrv`dw, tfnm Ydtdr Kfamfg bv`he tf seut up.
R ? Xf efw mf yfu cbjd bg bum`dghd te`gj6
B ? Gfw ted rd s b lbtbn bssu c pt`f g. Pfu hbg t c bjd tedc bnn te`gj,
tef ua e @ eb vd tr`dm tf . 2 try gf t tf sbt`sly bg bu m `dg hd s
dxpd htbt `fg s. C bykd te bt s ted mdldht fl b nft fl l`ncc bj`ga? tebt`t s hbrdlun tf rdc b`g `g ted bu m`d gh d s dx pdhtbt`fgs w`te te d
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