Interview Tao - Frantzis

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BruceFrantzisInterviewwithTaoBumsForum

March2011


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TABLE OF CONTENTS

What are your main goals for teaching Taoist Energy Arts in the west?......................................... 4

.. 5If I could only do one practice exercise what would it be and why?................................................Many Bums resonate with the material in your books, yet are also interested in practices

6that work with the energy and spirit levels. What advice would you give to such seekers? ..You look very healthy and much lighter in your recent videos. Did something shift for you

in the last few years?................................ .............................................. ............................................. .................... 8

Many of us on The Tao Bums forum take an eclectic and nontraditional approach to

cultivation. As someone whose path was also quite eclectic and yet still traditional, is there

any advice you would impart to the modern, informationage, spiritual seeker?....................... 9

A recurring debate on the forums is whether it is better to focus intent and direct ch i in ourbodies (tell it where to go) or to let the chi go where it wants, especially when it see ms to

.......... 12"have its own agenda". Can you speak to this?...............................................................................What is the difference between dissolving the physical body and simply relaxing as

understood in the West? Can one dissolve the physical body through ordinary relaxation

practices, or must one be able to feel qi to practice dissolving? If the latter, what would you

recommend as the fastest way to learn to feel qi, so that one can dissolve the energy body? ............................................ ............................................. ............................................. ................................................. 13Many of the practices you teach focus on letting go, increasing awareness and sensitivity,

and feeling and working with various energies. What protective methods, if any, would you

recommend to someone in situations in which feeling other energies could be harmful, or ifthere is an abundance of overtly negative energy? ......................................... ....................................... 15

Do you personally use the I Ching for divination and overall how do you feel about such a

practice? ......................................... ............................................. ............................................. ................................. 16Are planning to release the Bagua mastery program for a larger audience than to the 250 in

the future, and/or do you have plans to release individual DVD's or books on the material

in smaller segments? Will we ever see a book on the single palm change?................................. 18

Will you ever create a Tai chi training program, like your Bagua one?................................... ...... 19...... 20How about a Neigong version of the Bagua Mastery Program?..................................................

There's just so many different types of qigong, neigong & neidan. Can you share some

22general principles for differentiating them?..............................................................................................Are there other paths that would come under this Water Method umbrella besides Liu's

lineage? Is it that a particular practice is a water or fire method, or is it the system as a

whole that is a fire or water method? What in particular makes a method or system water

or fire? Are their mixtures?................... ............................................. ............................................. .................. 24

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Okay, now the next question is it a system as a whole that makes something a Fire or a

...... 26Water method, e.g., the Hua Shan or the Mao Shan schools? .............................................. .........Are fire, wood, metal, earth energies used in the Water Method? Are there also entire

separate methods for each of these other four phases as well, or is this a

misunderstanding?.......................................... ............................................... ............................................ .......... 27

Is it possible that the Water Method "flattens" the peak and pit stages in the Buddhist path ,

7named "Arising & Passing" and "The Dark Night of the Soul"? ........................................ ................. 2Knowledge has been transmitted to you via the lineage system. Are you intending to pass

the lineage on in the traditional fashion to one or more students? If not what are your

thoughts about this lineage being passed to you a westerner and not being fully transmitted

in the traditional fashion?.................................... ................................................ ............................................ .. 28Even though Liu Hung Chieh was already recognized as "enlightened" in the Mahayana Tien

Tai school of Chinese Buddhism, he later on focused in Taoist meditation practices. So,

what aspects of the spiritual road did he consider not covered well enough by the Buddh ist

practices? Also, did Liu Hung Chieh mention what insights of the Buddhist tradition are 28harder to get in Taoism?.....................................................................................................................................Many Tao Bums who resonate with the material in your books yet are also interested in

practices that work with Chi and Shen levels. What advice would you give to such seekers? ............................................ ............................................. ............................................. ................................................. 30Ok, last question! Could you tell us 3 simple things we could do every day to enhance our

lives and our harmony with Tao, no matter what system or path we are following?.... ......... 34



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WhatareyourmaingoalsforteachingTaoistEnergyArtsinthe

west?

IhaveseveralgoalsforteachingEnergyArtsintheWest.

Firstandforemost,IwanttopassontheinformationoftheTaoistlineagethatIlearned

inChina,becomingalivingbridgeforfuturegenerationsintheWest.Ihopetopasson

thepersonalpracticelineageasitrelatestoallaspectsoftheinternalmartialarts,

includingtheirhigherspiritualaspects,thehealingworkandthemeditationworkof

Taoism,primarilytheinnerdissolvingprocess.Thisprocessiswhatwillenablea

persontobeabletoachievethegoalsofTaoistmeditation.

MysecondmaingoalisthatotherpeoplewilltakefromtheTaoistlineagewhatis

usefulandwillbeabletoincorporatewhattheylearnintowhatevertheydo.Inthis

waytheknowledgeofTaoismwillhelppeopleinthefuture,regardlessofwhetherthey

attempttolearntheentirelineageornot.Eveniftheylearnonlypartsofit,whatthey

learncancatalyzetheircreativeprocessintobenefitingthepeopleonthisearth.

WithinthelineagesareteachingsregardingpersonalpracticesofTaoism,thingsyoudo

byyourselfforthefirstyearsofstudyingthisway.ThesearedevotedtowhatinTaoism

iscalledbody,energy,spirit,emptinessandTao.

Themainpurposeofthefirstyearsofpracticeistodevelopthebodyanditsenergy

alongwiththeinsularitymethodsthatarerelatedtochi.Thisoccupiedthebulkofmy

lineageteachingsforthefirst15yearsafterIreturnedtotheWestfromBeijing.

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InTaoism,Chimeansemotionalenergy,mentalenergyandpsychicenergyandshen,

orspirit,whichencompassestheenergyofkarmaandindividualessence,essence

beyondpersonality.

Inthepast7yearsIhavebeendevotingmyteachingstoshifttowardtheemotional,

mentalandpsychicenergyaspectsoftheteachingsalongwiththosesecondary

practicesthathavetodowiththebody.

Throughmycourses,seminars,andprintmaterials,IhopetoofferTaoistinformation,

perspectivesandpartsofthepuzzlewhichwillhelphumanbeingsinwhateverform

ittakes,

as

the

road

anyone

travels

on

the

Tao

is

always

amystery

and

where

it

ends

is

alsoamystery.

IfIcouldonlydoonepracticeexercisewhatwoulditbeand

why?

Therearethreeanswerstothisquestiondependingonwhatsortofpractitioneryouare.

Ifyouareabeginneroracasualpractitionerandyouwanttolearnsomethingbasic

aboutchi,DragonandTigerMedicalQigongwillbeagoodstart.Thisrelativelyshort

andcompletesystemhasonlysevenmovementsandwillgiveabeginnerenoughofa

starttofeeltheirchiandthebenefitsofpractice.

If,however,youareamoredisciplinedorstrongerpractitioneroryouarewillingto

practicemorethan10or15minutesaday,Iwouldrecommendoneoftheeight

standingposturesofIChuanoroneofthe200standingposturesofTaoism.Ifyourgoal

istobecomeextremelystrong,oryourinterestsareinmartialarts,practiceHsingiand

Santi.

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primarilytothephysicallevel,whichmeanstheenergyofthebodyandeverythingthat

isrelatedtotheenergyofthebody,includingyouranimalemotionsthataregenerated

fromyourinternalorgans.

InthepastsixyearsIhavenowbegunteachingwhatiscalledshengong,orspiritual

qigong.Thisisthebeginningofmyteachingtheqiorenergylevelwhichrelatestothe

emotionsandmentalenergyaswellaspsychicenergy.Asofyet,Iveonlyjustlightly

tappedonthepsychicenergypart,whichIwillbeginteachingmoreofattheendof

2011againinOxford,England.

Inthis

past

six

years,

Ihave

been

going

much

more

into

how

meditation

is

incorporated

intoeverythingthatrelatestophysicalpracticessuchasqigong/chigung,taichi,etc.I

havenowbeendoingallthesephysicalpracticesequallyintermsofthechilevelorthe

energylevel.Theselevelsaretaughtinliveteachingsnow.

Mycompanydoesnotyethavevideos,books,etc.onthesesubjectsingreatdepth.The

closestitgetstothisistheBaguaMasteryProgram.Thisintermediatelevelworkis

goingintowhatyouaredoingwiththechannels,etc.InmyliveteachingsIamalways

doingthisallthetime.TheBaguaMasteryProgramisbeginningtotouchonthissubject

intermsofitbeingavailableoutsideofliveteachings.

Alsointhepast6yearswehavebeencontinuouslyarchivingvideomaterialsofallof

mycourseswhereIhavebeenteachingthis.Asofyet,wehavenoplanstoreleaseany

ofthisworkmostlybecausewedonothavethepersonnelorvolunteersfortheediting

togetdonesowecanreleasetheminvideoformat.ButIamteachingthismateriallive

allthetimeandatsomepointwehopethatthesearchivalmaterialscanbecome

availabletopeople.However,forfinancialreasons,wecannotpromiseareleasedateat

thistimeofthesematerials.

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Youlookveryhealthyandmuchlighterinyourrecentvideos.

Didsomethingshiftforyouinthelastfewyears?IhavebeenspendingalotoftimeinthepastfewyearsinMaui,Hawaii.Hotweather

hasalwayscausedmetoloseweight,andcoldweatherhasalwayscausedmetogain

weight.Ihaveabodylikeabearinthatsense.Lookingmuchhealthierisntnecessarily

relatedtoweight,buttothefactthatoveraperiodof7yearsinmyfifties,Ihadacar

accidenteveryyear.InthepastfewyearsIhaventhadanycaraccidents.

Anyonewhohasgonethrough7caraccidentswouldprobablylooklikedeathwarmed

over,forgetaboutlookingnotsohealthy.Theywouldbeluckytobealive,whichwas

mycase.NowthatIhaventhadanycaraccidentsforacoupleofyearsIvebeenableto

beginregeneratingmyself.Previously,everytimeIwouldbegintoregeneratemyself,I

wouldhaveanothercaraccident.

Thosearethebigthingsthathaveshifted.AlsonowthatImalittlebitolderIve

actuallystartedeatingbetter.Thefactofthematteristhatmyentirelife,Iateenough

for

three

people,

forget

about

one.

But

now

Im

eating

less

and

that

seems

to

be

making

abitofadifference,alsoinlighteningup.



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ManyofusonTheTaoBumsforumtakeaneclecticandnon-

traditionalapproachtocultivation.Assomeonewhosepath

wasalsoquiteeclecticandyetstilltraditional,isthereany

adviceyouwouldimparttothemodern,information-age,

spiritualseeker?

Icanspeakfrommyexperienceaboutwhatthetraditionalapproachisandtheeclectic

wayIwentaboutit,andtheessentialdifferencebetweenaneclectictraditional

approachandtheapproachofthedabbler,whojustknowsabitofthisandabitofthat.

Thefirstissueis:whybecomeeclectic?Insomesenseyoubecomeeclecticsothatyou

cangainareallyspecificperspectiveonsomething.Youmaywanttodotaichi,butas

aneclectic,youmaywanttodoataichispecificallyforfighting.Forexample,Idid

PrayingMantisand8DrunkenImmortals.Doingtheseshowedmesomemartial

aspectsoftaichiIneededtopayattentiontoratherthanignore.ButIwentdeeplyinto

them.Ididntjustskimthesurfacewiththem.

ThereisaveryoldphrasefromIndiaaboutthedesert:ifyouwanttostrikewaterdont

dig20wellstenfeetdeep,digonewell200feetdeep.Thatsumsuptheapproachthat

Ivetaken.MyprinciplewasthatifIwastobeeclecticinseveraldifferentthings,in

eachoneofthemIdugawell200feetdeep.

Manypeoplesay,Well,youknow,Illdothisforamonthortwo,andIllkindofjust

dothatforaworkshop.Thatapproachonlyhelpsyougetsomeideaofwhateach

thingis.Youstillhaventreallydoneaparticularthinguntilyoustarttogetwhatits

specialpointis,afterseveralyears.So,youreallyneedtogodeeptoknowsomething

andthatisgenerallynottheapproachofmostNewAgepractitioners.



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Myexperiencehasbeenthatthetraditionalwayswereallaboutgettingrighttothe

centralissueofyourpractice.Bygoingdeep,Idontmeanreadingaboutit.Imean

doingyourpracticeuntilitsinyourbloodandinyourbones.

Now,inpurelyintellectualterms,youwanttoreadaswidelyaspossibleandapplythe

methodsyouwoulduseforanyformofresearch.However,thegreattroublewithalot

ofinformationisthatyoumaynotbeabletosortoutwhatisthewheatandwhatisthe

chafe,whatisrelevantandwhatisminimallytangential.Thisisaproblemwiththe

masses

of

information

available:

often

much

is

not

actually

grounded

in

anything

substantial.

AnotherexampleofthisismyexperiencewithHathaYoga.Originally,asbackground

forqigong,Ididthe300posturesofHathaYogaandalotofPranayama.Buteven

beforethatIdidtheYogaposturessimplytobecomeveryflexiblesoIcouldkickin

martialartsbetter,dojudobetter,dogroundworkandwhatnot,better.Inonesense,

learningthe300hathayogaposturescanbeseenasthetraditionalapproach.Fromthe

eclecticviewofwantingtoknowthewholesubjectofchi,thisstudywasonlyapiece;it

wasnotthewholething.

Also,asaTaoistPriest,wewentthroughagreatnumberofsubjects.Eachonewas

leadingtotheotherandwewentdeeperanddeeperanddeeper.Itwasntthatwejust

gotalittlebitofinformationoneachpiece.Wereallywentdeepandthatistheeclectic

traditionalapproach.

Sometimestounderstandsomethinginitsentirety,youhavetocomeatitfrommany

anglesuntilyoucanseebothwhatisandwhatisnotso.ButagainIwanttosaythatthe

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approaches.Itisanincredibleindepthknowledgeineachoftheapproaches,sothat

evenifyouworkandstudytenthings,youbecomeaminimasterineachofthoseten

things.Youarenotjustabeginningorintermediatestudent,yougodownyourpath

pickingupwhateverpossiblefromwhereveravailableuntilyoureallyclearlygetthe

essentialpointoftheparticularpieceyouarestudyinguntilyougetit,unambiguously

andwithnononsense.

ItwasverymainstreaminallofChinaforsomepeopletodoonlyonethingfortheir

entirelife.Otherseveniftheyspecializeinonething,wanttoknowwhattangentially

ordirectlyconnectstoandenhancesthatonething,orwhatevernumberofthingsthey

reallyarefocusingon.Thisapproachcanbeverydifficult.So,thetraditionaleclectic

approachinChinaisthatineachandeverypartofyourapproach,whateverits

inclusivedifferentcomponents,youwouldbeeithervirtuallyattheMasterlevel,nota

casuallevel.ThepurposeofallthiswastobecomeasupermasteraGrandMasteror

whatinChinatheysimplywouldcallarealMasterofthesubject.



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desiredchannelsandthenwatchhowandwhereitgoesandmorphs.

Whatis

the

difference

between

dissolving

the

physical

body

andsimplyrelaxingasunderstoodintheWest?Canone

dissolvethephysicalbodythroughordinaryrelaxation

practices,ormustonebeabletofeelqitopracticedissolving?If

thelatter,whatwouldyourecommendasthefastestwayto

learntofeelqi,sothatonecandissolvetheenergybody?

Dissolvingthephysicalbodyandrelaxingitisnotthesamething.Here,weusethe

imageofgoingfromicetowater.

RelaxationintheWestismostlyunderstoodasamentaloranemotionalmoodchange.

WhenweregoingfromicetowaterinDissolvingpractices,weretalkingaboutthe

bodyphysicallysofteningaswellasyourmoodsoftening.

Ofcourse,thereisageneralemotionalsenseofrelaxation,butmorespecifically,the

tissuesofthebodyarephysicallyrelaxingandbecomingsofter.Thebloodinthebody

beginsflowingbetter,whichcomesfrombloodvesselsbeinglessconstricted.

Now,canonedissolvethechiofthephysicalbodythroughordinaryrelaxation

practices?Idontbelievethatyoucandissolvethechiofthebodythroughordinary

relaxationpracticesbecausethewholefocusistoopenthechitoyourethericbodyorin

innerdissolving,totakethechiintotheinnerspace.Ordinaryrelaxationnormallydoes

notdothat.Yes,itwillrelaxthetissues,butitwontdirectlyaffectyourchilike



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dissolvingpracticeswill.

Anythingispossiblebutdissolvingisnotthenormalexpectationbecauseithappensso

rarelywithordinaryrelaxation.

Mustonebeabletofeelchitopracticedissolving?Themajorpointhereisthatdirectly

feelingchiisafruit,afinalstage,ofyourpractice.Initiallyhowever,youcouldbegin

sensingyourchithroughvisualizationorimagination.

I

had

a

teacher

named

T.

T.

Liang

who

wrote

a

book,

ImaginationBecomes

Reality,

in

whichhestatesthatifyoufocusyourintent(yourimagination)eventuallyyourintent

(yourimagination)willhelpmoveyourchi.

Regardingtheabilitytopracticedissolving,oneactuallyhastobeabletofeelthechito

somedegreebecausetheprocessofouterdissolvinginvolvesreleasingenergyintothe

ethericfield,whichisnotphysicalbutenergetic.Thatrequiresyoutofeelyouretheric

field.Ifyoucantfeelyourchiandyoucantfeelyourethericfield,howwouldyou

knowifyouredissolvingornot?Yes,youcouldvisualizeitbutwouldhaveno

concrete,actionableideaofthechiitself.

Thesamegoesforinnerdissolving.Youcouldvisualizeitbuttheprocessofdissolving

inTaoismisnotonlyavisualizationpractice.Youactuallydoneedtobeabletofeelchi

forthispractice.

Mostpeopleusuallystartoutonlybeingabletofeeltwoorthreeoffivepercentof

whatsgoingonandgradually,thatabilitytofeelandrecognizetheirchistartstogrow

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Thatsaid,itwouldbeafalsedichotomytosaythatifyoucantfeelityoushouldntdo

itatall.Learningtofeelyourchiisagradualgrowthprocess.

WhatwouldIrecommendasthefastestwaytolearntofeelchi?Essentially,allofmy

booksandallofmymaterialsteachtheprocessesforlearninghowtofeelchi.

IntermsofwhatIteach,thecoherentsystemofQigongcalledDragonandTiger

MedicalQigongwillhelpyouinitiallyfeelyourchithefastest.Thisonecoherent

system

works

with

the

etheric

body

and

gives

the

overwhelming

majority

of

people

the

fastestabilitytofeelchitosomedegree.

ThesecondpracticeIrecommendisStandingandDissolvingwithinEnergyGates

Qigongbecause,althoughtheprocessofstandingisdramaticallyharderthanDragon

andTiger,StandingandDissolvinghashistoricallyproventoallowthelargestnumber

ofpeopletofeeltheirchideepinsidetheirbodyinthemostconcretewayintheshortest

periodoftime.

Manyofthepracticesyouteachfocusonlettinggo,increasing

awarenessandsensitivity,andfeelingandworkingwith

variousenergies.Whatprotectivemethods,ifany,wouldyou

recommend

to

someone

in

situations

in

which

feeling

other

energiescouldbeharmful,orifthereisanabundanceof

overtlynegativeenergy?

Thisissomewhatofacomplexquestionbecausehowyouprotectyourselfagainstother

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peoplesnegativeenergiesisasubjectforthatthereisnoquicksoundbite.

Thisquestionisespeciallyimportantforbodyworkersorotherswhoworkwith

severelyderangedpeople,orinnegativecircumstances;e.g.,soldiers,policeofficers,

therapists,doctors,crisiscenterworkers.Fortheseindividuals,therehastobeawayof

bothrecognizingtheneedtoandthenpragmaticallyreleasingenergyasitpotentially

becomesstoredintheirsystem.

ItaughtacourseinSwedenacoupleofyearsagoandImgoingtobeteachingonein

Reading,

UK

in

mid

October

2011

that

is

geared

toward

body

workers

and

others

as

mentionedabovewhoareconstantlybeingbombardedbyotherpeoplesenergies.In

thiscourseIteachyouthebasicprinciplesthatareveryimportantinSafeguardingYour

HealthandProtectingYourQi.

Thefirstthingtounderstandisthatyoucannotblocksomeoneelsesnegativeenergy

unlessyoucanclearlyfeelyourownenergy.Ifyoucantfeelyourownenergy,theres

notmuchyoucandotodistinguishwhetherandtowhatdegreeanyouterenergyis

affectingyourinnerenergy.

Thereare100differentwaysofblockingenergy.

DoyoupersonallyusetheIChingfordivinationandoverall

howdoyoufeelaboutsuchapractice?

MywholetrainingasaTaoistPriest,aswellasmywholetraininginChina,wasabout

usingtheIChing.WhatIpersonallydoordontdo,althoughitmaybeaninteresting



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topicofgossiplikewhatthecelebritiesateforlunchlastweek,isnotparticularly

importanthere.

AtapracticallevelIhavenotusedlookingatthewrittenIChingtotryandsort

somethingoutforalotofyears.

Theresawholeprocess,averyclassiclongtermformofTaoistmeditation,whichis

aboutlearningtorecognizetheeightenergiesoftheIChingdirectlyand,more

importantly,learningwhichenergiesareactiveandwhattodoaboutthematanygiven

moment.

With

this,

you

can

very

much

get

a

sense

of

the

nature

of

the

Universal

flow

andwhereandhowitisgoing.

IhavelearnedtheIChingpracticeintermsofeventuallyfindingtheemptycenterof

theIChinginwhichthereisnochange,whichisbeyondallchange,whichnevercame

intoexistenceandwillneverleave.ThatistheactualspiritualaspectoftheIChing.

Asfarasthechangesthemselves,theIChingisahugesubject,butIwillgointoabit.

Thefirstpointis,ifyouwishtousetheIChingfordivination,donotthrowyourown

coinsorstalks. Havesomebodyelsedoitbecauseonceyoudoitenough,youwill

shadetheanswer.

ThesecondpointisthatifyouregoingtousetheIChingfordivination,makesurethat

yousitandtrulycalmyourselffor5or10minutesbeforeyoudoitandbewillingtolet

whatisgoingtocomein,arrive.Ifyoudothosetwothings,thatsthebestwaytogo

aboutthrowingthecoinsorthestalksorwhicheverparticularmethodyouuse.

Iwouldnotrecommendoneofthosethingsonthecomputerorsomethinglikepush



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thebuttonthatgivesyouareadout.ThisisbecausetheIChingshouldbesomething

whereyourenergyisfusedintothedivinationprocesssinceitsonlybyyourenergy

fusingintothedivinationprocessthatitispossiblefortheprocesstoactuallyworkas

wellasitcan.

Intermsoftheinternalmartialartbaguazhang,allIwastaughtabouttheIChingand

alloftheissuesaroundtheIChingareincludedintheSinglePalmChange,Walking

theCircleandtheSittingMeditation.AllthepracticesinbaguarelatingtotheIChing

wereclassicallydoneinTaoismforthousandsofyears,andtheresawholeother

process

that

I

mentioned

before

where

you

learn

to

directly

comprehend

what

the

energiesarethemselves,soitsnotjustarepresentation.

Adrawingrepresentsaperson.Thatsaverydifferentthingthanputtingyourhandson

thepersonorbeinginaroomandtalkingwiththeperson.

AreplanningtoreleasetheBaguamasteryprogramforalarger

audiencethantothe250inthefuture,and/ordoyouhave

planstoreleaseindividualDVD'sorbooksonthematerialin

smallersegments?Willweeverseeabookonthesinglepalm

change?

Theinstructional

portion

of

the

Bagua

Mastery

Program

is

close

to

1,000

pages

so,

as

such,IthinkthatprettymuchistheBookorMasteryworkatthisjuncture.Italso

includesover20audioCDsandwillincludeover30++DVDsintheend.

Therearenoimmediateplansforreleasingthematerialinsmallersegments,theBagua

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Programisdoneasonepiece.Franklyspeaking,Iminvolvedinalotofotherprojects

butthereisahopethatsomewheredowntheline,theremaybeDVDsandaudiotapes

intermsoftheotherPalmChanges.TheBaguaMasteryProgramstartedasa1,600page

documentand,tosaytheleast,itwasnotacasualundertakingtowriteprobablyover

5000hoursoftimeifyouincludethefilming,recording,instructortrainingandallthe

editingrequiredbecauseeverythinghastobeprecise.

Weinitiallyprintedjust250oftheBaguaMasteryProgrambecausewejustdidnot

knowwhatthedemandwouldbe.Toprintthe1,000pagesandalltheaudioCDsand

DVD

is

quite

a

cost.

In

the

future

when

we

re

launch

we

will

attempt

to

adjust

to

what

thedemandisatthetime.

Soatthisstageofthegame,theMasteryProgrammayberereleasedafterayearorso,

andthatsasfarasIwillcommentinthecurrentmoment.Tomyknowledgeitisthe

mostcomprehensivesetofmaterialseverproducedforbaguaorforanyinternal

martialartsforthatmatter.Ididthistolayoutalloftheknowledgetohelpfuture

generationsofpractitionersandtoensuretheknowledgeIholdwillbesharedwith

others.

WillyouevercreateaTaichitrainingprogram,likeyourBagua

one?

WearelookingatsometypeofTaiChiTraining. However,itwillnotbelikethebagua

programinonemajorsense.TheBaguaMasteryProgram,focusingontheSinglePalm

Change,wasoriginally1,600pagesofwriting. IfIweretodoasimilarprogramfortai

chi,thedocumentwouldbeaminimumofatleast10,000pages,intheBaguaMastery



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ProgramIstatedthis,becauseofthesheernumberofmotionsthatareinvolvedintai

chi.

IcreatedtheBaguaMasteryProgramthewayIdidbecausewithonemotion,theSingle

PalmChange,youcanexperienceallthemajorpointsthatwillbeextremelyrelevantto

anybodywhodoestaichiorbagua.Alsothereisawholetraditionofbaguathatcame

outofthemonasteriesinChinawherebaguaoriginatedthatwasbasedonmeditation

notjustfighting.

If

we

do

create

tai

chi

training

program

I

want

to

ask

this

question

back

to

you,

would

youwantone?Willthereaderswantataichitrainingprogramandwhatwilltheybe

mostinterestedinseeinginit?

Ifsomethingwasdone,thetaichitrainingIwouldleadwithistheWustylebecause

ImalineageholderofthisstyleandbecausetheWustyleoftaichiistheonlyformthat

IhavelearnedthatisdirectlylinkedtoTaoistmeditation,whichIfeelisthemost

importantsubjectIteachinthewest.

Thatbeingsaid,IamalsoalineageholderintheYangstyleandcanandhavetaughtall

thatstuffduringmyday.Myquestionwouldbe,whatwouldyoubemostinterestedin

seeing?IfyoupracticeYangstylewhatwouldbemostusefulforyou?Iwould

[email protected]

HowaboutaNeigongversionoftheBaguaMasteryProgram?

Well,thereisnoplantomakeaneigongversionoftheBaguaMasteryProgramatthis

mailto:[email protected]:[email protected]


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juncture.

IwillsaythatthebasicsixpartEnergyArtsQigongSystemthatIteachisessentiallya

completeNeigongMasteryProgram. Inthewestpeopledontknowwhatneigongisso

weusethewordqigongforourexercises.

Eachofmyqigongsetsisdesignedtoteachspecificcomponentsoftheclassical16

neigong.ForexampleHeavenandEarthQigongspecificallyisashortexercisesetthat

teacheshowtoputopeningsandclosingsintoqigong,taichioranymovementform.

That

qigong

set

is

designed

to

be

the

easiest

access

point

to

that

specific

neigong.

So

it

goeswithalloftheqigongsetsIteachastheyeachfocusondifferentneigong,withthe

exceptionofGodsPlayingintheCloudswherealloftheneigongcanbeputintothat

set.

TheEnergyArtsQigongSysteminvolves:1)TaoistBreathing,2)DragonandTiger

MedicalQigong,3)OpeningtheEnergyGatesofYourBody,4)MarriageofHeavenand

Earth,5)BendtheBow, 6)SpiralingEnergyBodyand7)GodsPlayingintheClouds.

Wearecurrentlyworkingthroughthisqigongsystemsothebreathing,especiallyvis

vishowyoumovefluidswithinthebodyandhowyoumoveshenwithyourmindis

highlighted.

Werehopingtoofferaratherlargeteachingaboutbreathing.

IshouldmentionthatIdoteachthewholeneigongthinglivebutcannotpromisewhen

materialswillbeavailable,thatisbasedonmycompanysabilitytomakemyteachings

availableinanysortofvideooraudioformat.Inthemeantime,Iwantsomefeedbackto

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knowwhichsystemsthereaderswouldlikefirstandwhattheparticularinterestsare.I

cantpromisewecanfulfillthembutifwecan,wewill.

There'sjust

so

many

different

types

of

qigong,

neigong

&

neidan.Canyousharesomegeneralprinciplesfor

differentiatingthem?

Well,firstofallneidanisavery,veryspecificthinginTaoism. Therealneidanisabout

circulatingtheballoflight.ThepracticesinthebulkofFireschoolsofTaoismandthis

businesswherepeoplearejustmentallycirculatingthroughthemicrocosmicorbit,is

actuallykidsstuffcomparedtothatpracticeofneidananditspartial,notfull,anyway

youwanttosliceit.

IknowbecauseIdidneidanwhenIwasyounger,sohavingsaidthat,letstakeneidan

outofthisquestion. Ifyoutalkaboutchigungandneigong,thereareprobably400

schoolsin

China

and

each

of

the

major

schools

has

numerous

branches.

But

Ill

give

you

somebigdifferentiatingprinciples.

Thefirstoneis:areyoudoingthepracticefromtheoutsideinortheinsideout. Ifits

neigong,itsprimarilydonefromtheinsideout. Qigongisdonefromtheoutsidein

andworkingwiththeethericbody,likeIdoinitiallywithDragonandTigerMedical

Qigong.Thatiswhatcouldbecalledqigong.

Therearesomanystyleswhereeverythingisaboutthemovementsthatyoudo,the

waythatyoutracelinesonyourbodyoryoudosomethingexternallyandhowyou

visualizeyourselfdoingsomething,thatsonebighugecrowd.



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Thenthereareotherstyles,whicharemuchmorelikeneigong,whereyoulearntogo

insideyourselfbyopeningupthechiinsideofyourbody.Byopeningupthepathways

ofchiinsideyourbody,youmakeyourchibecomefull.Theseusuallyhavespecific

movementstoo.

Theoneswhichareaboutopeninguptheinsidetotheoutsidecanbedoneequally

sittingorlyingdown,moving,standingorinteractively,sexuallyorinconversation;

whereastheqigongstylesthatareaboutgoingfromtheoutsideinusuallydontwork

so

well

if

youre

lying

down

or

if

youre

sitting

because

you

dont

have

any

physical

motiontocatalyzethebody.

Sothosewouldbesomedistinctions.

Now,isthereanywayintermsofmovementstodifferentiatestyles?Thebiggestsingle

thingabouteveryqigongandneigongsystemiswhetheritisonascaleofletssay

1:100,isitpartialorisitcomplete?

Nowalotofthings,partialsystemsstartatabouta5%percentandtheyrarelygoabove

a50%or60%inteachingalloftheinternalcomponents.Forasystemtoreallybe

consideredcomplete,itshouldhaveatleast90%oftheinternalmaterial,butthefactof

thematteristhatalotofwhatareconsideredtobecompleteneigongorqigongschools

usuallyonlyhavesomewherebetweenabout60%and80%,somethinglikethat.

SoIthinkthemuchbiggerissueiswhetherthestyleispartialorcomplete.Bythat

definition,youonlycangetsosimplebeforeitcannotgobeyondbeingpartial.That

doesnotmeanthatitnecessarilyhastohavealotofphysicalmovements.Justthinkof



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ourmoderncomputerswhichdonthaveagiantboxwithallsortsofthingsbutjust

haveafewchipsthathavebeenetchedlikenobodysbusinessandnowhavemore

powerandcapacitythanaCraysupercomputer.

Sothisiswhereyouhavetoknowthefieldverywell.Formetotalkaboutthesestyles

ofneigongandqigongwouldbetheequivalentoftryingtotellsomeonewhoknows

absolutelynothingaboutcomputersthedifferencebetweenahandhelddeviceanda

Craycomputer.

Well,

lets

just

say

theres

a

lot

more

in

a

Cray

computer

than

there

is

in

your

little

hand

helddeviceandleaveitatthat. Whatarethespecifics?Now,thatswhypeoplehave

PhDsandallsortsofformsofelectricalengineeringandcomputertechnologyandwhat

not.Thatsabitdifferentthanwhatyoudowhenyoujusthavetoopenupemailsand

watchafewdownloadedvideos.

ForthosethatareinterestedIsuggestthestudythe16neigongcomponentsthatIteach,

becausethatisaclassicalwaytolookatwhatisincludedorwhatismissinginany

system.

ArethereotherpathsthatwouldcomeunderthisWater

MethodumbrellabesidesLiu'slineage?Isitthataparticular

practiceisawaterorfiremethod,orisitthesystemasawhole

thatisafireorwatermethod?Whatinparticularmakesa

methodor

system

water

or

fire?

Are

their

mixtures?

Yes,thereareotherWaterMethodschoolsinTaoism,besidesthatofLiuHungChieh.

AllWaterMethodschoolsdirectlydescendfromLaoTzuandfollowLaoTzuwater

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TheFireschoolsaresimplyusedwithinTaoismasadeclarationforwhatbasically

startedafter1000ADwheretheyweretovaryingdegreesinfluencedbyTibetan

Buddhism,andtherewereinfluencesfromallsortsofotherthingstodowith

BuddhismandthealchemyoftheMiddleEast.

Watermethodsareinitiallydramaticallymoreaboutfeelingandtheabilitytofocuson

thevibrationofsound. Firemethodsaredramaticallymoreaboutvisualizationswhere

soundandphysicalfeelinggetfoldedintothevisualizationbutindramaticallylesser

degrees.

There

is

another

distinguishing

characteristic,

the

term

internal

alchemy

is

usedintheFireschoolsastheinitialmethodoftransformingwhateveriswithinthe

humansystem.

UsingWesternterms,asopposedtoChinesetermssothatwedontgetconfused,there

isthewholeideathatpeoplehaveanego.ThereisaplacethatIcallpostego,where

youcouldsayoneknowswhooneis,onegetspasttheiregoandonefindsoutwhoand

whatoneisthathasnothingtodowiththeego.Oneunderstandswhattherootof

oneselfisanditsnotthepersonalityorpersonalhistory. Fireschoolsdefinethe

methodsthatyouusetoarriveatthatpointasalchemy.

IntheWaterschools,theysaythatyoubegintheprocessofinternalalchemyonlyafter

youhavearrivedatthatpointofthepostego,whichiscalledtheBodyofImmortality

inWatertraditions,andtruealchemyisaboutshiftingyouressentialvibrationofhow

youexistintheUniverse.

Now,onethingboththeFireandWatertraditionshaveincommonisthatwhena

TaoistintheWatertraditionusestheterminternalalchemy(whichwasnotatermthat



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wasusedwithinLaoTzustraditionbeforetheFiretraditioncameabout)theyare

talkinginequivalenttermsofwhat,intheFireschools,iswhenatapragmaticlevel,

youhavebirthedtheimmortalfetus.Youarenotintheprocessofbirthingitbutthe

immortalfetushaspoppedoutandisevolving.

Okay,nowthenextquestionisitasystemasawholethat

makessomethingaFireoraWatermethod,e.g.,theHuaShan

ortheMaoShanschools?

Well,thereareFiremethodswhichare90%ofTaoismandLaoTzustraditionwhichis

onlyabout10%ofTaoism.ThisisbecauseWateristheoldtraditionandalotoftheold

traditionwassubsumedwithintheFiretraditions.

Now,aretheremixtures? Yes,everythinghasmixtures.Thereisnosystemofanything

intheworldthatistotallypure,especiallyifitsbeenaroundforafewthousandyears

becausethings

mix

and

match.

But

as

ageneral

rule

within

Taoism,

Fire

schools

and

Waterschoolsareconsideredtobequitedistinct.

WhenIwasinTaiwan,almosteverythingwasinFireschools.Ilookedandmyfriends

lookedtofindsomeonewhowasdirectlytiedintotheoldtradition.Itwasaftermany

yearsofsearchinguntilIwasintroducedandstudiedwithLiuHungChieh,buthewas

veryhardtofind.

WhenIwasaTaoistpriest,andunderwentsevenyearsoftrainingwiththeFire

Method,beforeIevermetLiuHungChieh,IwasaPriestintheFireschoolofTaoism.

SoIknowwhatitis. Ivebeenthere,donethatasthephrasegoes.



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Arefire,

wood,

metal,

earth

energies

used

in

the

Water

Method?

Aretherealsoentireseparatemethodsforeachoftheseother

fourphasesaswell,oristhisamisunderstanding?

Thisisamisunderstanding.BoththeWaterschoolsandtheFireschoolsworkwiththe

fiveElements.TheWaterschooldoesnotonlyworkwiththewaterelement. TheFire

schooldoesalsonotworkonlywiththeFireelement. Theyallworkwithallofthefive

Elementsorphasesofenergy. Soitisamisunderstandingthatthereareseparate

methodsortraditionsforeachoftheelements.

IsitpossiblethattheWaterMethod"flattens"thepeakandpit

stagesintheBuddhistpath,named"Arising&Passing"and

"TheDark

Night

of

the

Soul"?

Whatyoucansayismaybe.Watermethods,becauseofthewayinwhichtheyredone

ingeneral,dontgotoradicalextremes,andassuch,smoothoutthepeakandvalley

stagesbutnomethodofspiritualitycancompletelyflattentheseout.

Letsjustsaythatthespiritualmanicdepressioncyclesthatpeoplegetwhentheyrise

sohighoninnerexperiencesgettingchargedupandthengotheotherwaytocrash

down,allhaveadarknightofthesoulorsimilar.Howthishappensisalldependent

uponwhatisinsidesomeonesinternalmatrix.



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AsageneralpropositionWatermethodsareasmootherride,butIwouldntsaythatit

oranythingelsecancompletelyflattenthepeakandvalleystages.TheWatermethodis

asmootherridebecauseofitsemphasisonmoderation,ittendsnottopushthesystem

toabreakingpointwhichmanyFiremethodsdo.

Knowledgehasbeentransmittedtoyouviathelineagesystem.

Areyouintendingtopassthelineageoninthetraditional

fashiontooneormorestudents? Ifnotwhatareyourthoughts

aboutthislineagebeingpassedtoyouawesternerandnot

beingfullytransmittedinthetraditionalfashion?

Everymasterwhoholdsagenuinelineageisresponsibleforthatlineageandhowhe

choosestohandleitisnotasubjectofcasualconversation. So,Irespectfullydeclineto

comment.

Eventhough

Liu

Hung

Chieh

was

already

recognized

as

"enlightened"intheMahayanaTienTaischoolofChinese

Buddhism,helateronfocusedinTaoistmeditationpractices.

So,whataspectsofthespiritualroaddidheconsidernot

coveredwellenoughbytheBuddhistpractices?Also,didLiu

Hung

Chieh

mention

what

insights

of

the

Buddhist

tradition

are

hardertogetinTaoism?

LiuHungChiehnevermentionedwhataspectsoftheBuddhisttraditionareharderto

getinTaoism.Asamatteroffact,Iwouldhavetosaythatisnotatopicthatever



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particularlycameup. IthinkthatinbothBuddhismandTaoism,theabilitytotruly

understandwhatemptinessis,isequallydifficultbecauseyoureessentiallydealing

withtheexactsamething.

BuddhismsaysthatitisnotpossibleforaBuddhatofullycomprehendtheentiretyof

theuniverseineveryaspectofit,untilhehaswhatscalledparanirvana,whenhedies.

Taoismsaysthatcanbedonewhileyourestillaliveinabody.However,sinceI

personallyhavenotdonethat,IdonotfeellikespreadinggossipandIwouldhaveto

say

that

my

experience

of

Buddhism

and

Taoism

is

that

I

think

Taoism

went

further

thananythingIeverdidintheMahayanaschools.

IstudiedZeninhighschoolinNewYorkCityandCollegeinTokyoandIstudiedChan

BuddhismattimeswhenIwasaTaoistpriest.LiuHungChiehinitiallyhadmego

throughalotofthestuffinChanBuddhismtoshowmeprettymuchexactlyhowit

worksashesaidTienTaiBuddhismwasnotgoingtobemything.

Iwouldjustsaythatalthougheachhascertainareasofspecialization,Buddhismand

TaoisminChinahavealwayscooperatedbecausemanyoftheiressentialspiritual

insightsaresimilar.

ThebiggestdifferenceinonesensebetweenBuddhismandTaoism,tobeterribly

cheekyaboutit,isthatTaoistshaveadramaticallyloosersenseofhumoraboutlifeand

whatisorisntproper.

Buddhists,ingeneral,tendtobeverysternandtheytendtoverymuchfocusonthe

ultimate;beingfreeofneedingtobebornagainandagainandagain.Taoists,while



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theydohavethingsaboutreincarnation,aremuchlighteraboutthewholethingand

aremuchmorefocusedonthehereandnowoflivinglifeateverymoment. Sothats

abouttheonlythingIcouldsay.

ManyTaoBumswhoresonatewiththematerialinyourbooks

yetarealsointerestedinpracticesthatworkwithChiandShen

levels.Whatadvicewouldyougivetosuchseekers?

Initially,whenIleftChina,LiuHungChieh proposedthatIfirstteach,download,put

intotheair,whateverwayyouwantputit,thebodypracticesofTaoism,thetermisjingshishenorbody,energy,spiritandemptinessTao.

Hesaidtoinitiallyputoutthephysicalstuffandwhateverchiandspiritaspectsthat

wererelatedtoapersonneededtobeabletoopenuptheirbodywithoutleavingtheir

bodybehind.ThebodypracticesinTaoismareformostpeople.Workingwithpeopleat

thatlevel

is

abit

like

going

through

concrete,

especially

at

the

psychic

level,

because

mostWesternersaresodeadtotheirbodies.

Theyaredramaticallydeadertotheirbodiesthanmostnativepeoplesaroundthe

worldbecausewedontreallyhaveacultureintheWestofpeoplefeelingtheirbodies

andhavingdirectpersonalknowledgeoftheirbodies.

Theyknowabouttheirbodiesasmentalimagesoftheirbodyratherthanactually

feelingandbeingpresentinsidetheirbody.

Whenwetalkaboutthephysicalbody,werediscussingyourflesh,thenwere



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discussingthechithatmakesyourfleshworkandthenweretalkingaboutthechithat

makesyourloweranimalemotionswork. Soinasenseyourinternalorgansgenerate

emotionsjustlikeallofyourneurotransmitters.

Mostpeoplehearthewordchiandtheythinkthatisthenextphaseofbody,energy,

spiritbutinactuality,thechiofthebodyisstillthebody.Whenyoutalkaboutthe

termchi,youreintotheemotions,whatliesbehindtheabilitytocreatementalsymbols,

whatliesatthebottomofthewords,whereallthisthinkingcomesfromandtheentire

psychicrealm.

Istartedteachingtheenergyofbodyenergyspiritacoupleofyearsafterthe

millenniumrolledaround,sometimein2003or2004anditsactuallyinmanywaysa

loteasierteachingthat.

Ifapersonisgoingtoengagethatlevel,thenyouhavetostartlookingatwhatreally

liesbehindnotjustordinaryemotionsbutwhatabouttheirmoresubtleshades?What

abouthigheremotions?Whatabouttheemotionoflove,kindness,generosity,the

abilitytotrulyemotionallyconnect,theabilitytotrulyemotionallynourishsomeone,

andtheabilitytobeemotionallynourishedbysomeone.

Whataboutmentally?Wheredoesyourcreativitycomefrom?Wheredoestheability

toknowwherethatthoughtcamefrom,beforeyoustarttalkinginyourheadaboutit.

Thenyoustarttalkingthewholepsychicrealm.Atthislevel,youknowyouhave

externalsensesbutdoyouknowyouhaveinternalsenses?Youcanobviouslysee

somethingthatyoulookatexternally,forexample,awallorapicture.



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Well,whataboutwhenyouseethefuture?Whataboutwhenyoucanseeenergies

insidepeople,etc.,etc.?

Sojustthesamewayyouhaveinternalhearing,youhaveinternalsenses. Thisisvery

wellknown.Buddhismveryoftentalksaboutconsciousnessbuttheyrereallyreferring

tosenses.

InIndia,itisreferredtoasexternalsensesandinternalsenses youhavefiveofeach.

Taoistshaveaverybigthingaboutthisbutitsimplygetsrolledintotheissueofchi. I

do

not

expect

personally

for

a

while

to

be

teaching

about

shen

which

are

the

issues

of

karmaandwhatapersonsessenceisbeyondpersonalityorwhatever. Toengagethis,

themiddlestageofenergyneedstobeworkedoutandreasonablystableortherecanbe

problems.However,whenthisenergyisstabilizedformystudentsIwillbeveryhappy

toteachaboutshen.Ibelievesafetyfirstisawisewaytogo.

Thisismostlybecauseifyoudonothavesufficientbodystabilityandstabilitywith

yourchi,whenyoustartansweringquestionsinthepsychicrealmwhatwecansayis

thatveryfewpeoplecanhangwithit.

Ifyouwanttoreallystartgoingintokarma,ifyoudonthavethesubtleawarenessof

emotionsbehindthoughtandthepsychicrealm,itsvery,veryhardtoseeanywhere

wherethekarmaofenergyisabused.

MyadvicetoanybodywhowantstolearntheChiandshenlevelsorTaoismistheres

onlyonewaytodoit.

Youvegottostartpersonallyinteractingwithaliveteacher.Tothinkthatyouregoing



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togetitpurelybyreadingisabitofaproblembecauseallthosementalsymbolswill

nottakeyouintoyourbodyandallthosementalsymbolsrarely,ifever,takeaperson

totheplacefromwherethosementalsymbolsariseandcaninternallyimprisonyou.

AllIcansayisthatImteachingastheyearsgobyandweretryingtogetourfilming

andproductiontoputoutwhatevermaterials,videos,audiosandbooksarewithinmy

limitedcapacitytoproduceandgenerate.Andifthereareotherauthenticteachersout

therewhocangetyoutothesamepointallthebetter.

It

has

been

well

known

in

the

subject

of

rhetoric

for

hundreds

of

years,

even

thousands

ofyears,thattherecanbeapersonwhoisintellectuallyanabsolutegeniusandatotally

emotionalwreckinthepsychicworld.MentalIQisnotnecessarilygoingtohelpyou

becausepsychicenergycantakeanybodysabilitytomeditateandblowituplikea

littlebombormoreaccurately,itislikehavinganEMFfieldallofasuddenscramblea

computersharddriveandmemory.

Thatsprettymuchhowitgoesanddobearinmindwhenthosethingshappen,the

energiesarerunningthroughyourbodyanditsnotreallygoodforyou.Itsnicetobe

stable.

ThisisasubjectwhenyoustartgoingintothelevelofChi,whenyoustartgoinginto

thelevelofSpirit,youreallyneedtobewithsomeonewhohasbeenthereanddone

that.Itsabitlikethinking,Imjustgoingtostartwalkinginthemiddleofthe

Canadianwoodsomewhere.Itreallyhelpstohavesomeonewhoactuallyknows,hey,

donteatthatberry,itllpoisonyouor,listen,dontwalkoverhereoryouregoingto

getsomebiganimalattackingyou.



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Thereasontherehavebeenteachersisnotsimplybecausetheyresomeexaltedbeings

butsimplythattheyhavebeentherebeforeandatleasttheyhavesomeideaofwhats

goingonsotheycangivethestudentsomesortofneededcontext.

Ok,lastquestion!Couldyoutellus3simplethingswecoulddo

everydaytoenhanceourlivesandourharmonywithTao,no

matterwhatsystemorpathwearefollowing?

Threethings,threesimplethings.

Thefirstoneis:learnhowtobreathe,learnhowtobreathe,learnhowtobreathebetter.

Ifyouregoingtoknowanythingaboutchi,youshouldlearnhowtobreathereallywell

withyourentirebody. TheEnergyArtsTaoistLongevityBreathingSystemisunique

andpowerful.

Thesecondistheprocessofrecognizingwhatisgoingonandseparatingwhatisreally

happeninginsideyoufromtheinfiniteseriesofdistortionsthatcanhappenatanylevel;

physical,mental,emotional,psychic,orkarmic.

ThethirdthingissimplythatifyouwanttoapproachtheTaoandliveyourlivesin

harmony,startreallylookingatwhetheryourlifeisinbalanceanddowhateveris

possibleforyoutoputyourlifeinbalance.

Thisusuallymeanslookingatwhatsreallyimportantinyourlife.Wecangetfilledup

withsomanythingsthatdontmeanmuchbutintermsofwhatourlifeislikefromthe

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inside,ifyouregoingtobeinbalance,itsausefulthingtostartlookingatwhats

importantandwhatdoesntmatter.

ThiscomesdowntotwoverysimplewordsthatrunthrougheveryTaoistandChinese

culture.Oneiswusuohuiwhichmeansitdoesntmatterifithappens.Theotherisyousuowei,itmatters.

Soasanexample: ShouldIgotothebeachorshouldIgoskiingonmyvacation?

Well,thatsreallyawusuohuithing,whereas,ShouldIletadogchewmyfootoffornot

chew

my

foot

off?

Thats

a

yousuo

wei

thing

because

its

really

hard

to

move

about

withoutafoot.Sowhatisirrelevant?Whatisrelevant? Thatsgoingtorequiregoing

intothatandthatsgoingtobequiteajourney.

Takingwhatisinsideofyouandbeingabletoworkthatoutisagoodplacetostart.

ThankstoalltheTaoBumsreadersandtoSeanformakingthisinterviewhappen.I

wishyouallthebestonyourpath.

BruceFrantzis

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