Ice Ma

Block7,Seite2-3 ICE-MAN'sLINEAGE: Billy: Thanks.MyfirstquestionrelatestoUrk:Accordingtoyourexplanationshebelo ngedtothesibofSuren. FormonthswearetroublingourselvestofindsomethingaboutthoseSuren.While searchingwefoundthathereinSwitzerlandthereexistsafamilynameSurenman n,andalsothetermSureorSur. ButalsoSurenbach(Surencreek)andSurenalp(Surenalp)etc.arenamesorterm sthatquiteoftenappear. Asarule,thesenamesandtermsareconnectedtotheLowGermanandSwissGerma ntermSur,i.e.Sour(inEnglish). Somehowthisdoesn tappearlogicaltome,becauseIcanhardlyimaginethatUrk ss ib,thatistheSuren,werecalledthe sourones. Icannotfindaplausibleexplanation. CouldyouperhapsexplainthemeaningofthetermSureninUrk stime,andwhatwe havetounderstandofittoday? Ptaah: Thereisnosecretaboutanexplanation. SURENisanancientceltictermwhichhasbecomeapartofseveralotherlanguag es,andsoinallGermanlanguagesaswell. TheoriginaltermSUREliterallymeansSWAMP/MARSH,andthosehumanbeingswhow eresettlinginmarshygroundwerecalledSUREN. Theybuiltpile-dwellingsinmarshygroundandwerelivingonit,andthat swhyt heywerecalledSUREN,i.e.marshdwellers. Themarsh/swampwascalledSUREbecausethegroundwassour/acid,accordingtot heold-Celticterm Sur. ThefamilynameSURENMANNleadsbackindirectlinetotheoldSURENinsuchaf ormasthatthedwellerswerecalledmenandwomenfromtheSuren.Laterthisre sultedasSurenmanandSurenwoman,wherebyonlythemalenameisusedtoday,a ccordingtomyknowledge. ThetermSurenalporiginatedfromthefactthatthegroundwasmarshy,and,ther efore,youwouldspeakofaMarshAlpintoday slanguage. ThesameappliestothetermSurenbach(Surencreek),whichwouldbecalledMars hCreekintheactuallanguage. Billy: ThenthetermsSURorSAUER(sour)inthisrespectonlyhavethemeaningorvalu eofwordsforthesour/acidmarshground? Ptaah: Thatscorrect. Billy: Well,thenthesecondpartofthequestion:SURE,doesthisalsohaveanotherva lue?Whileinvestigating,Istumbleduponthefactthatthetermscourageandbo ld/bravearelinkedtoit. Ptaah: Thatscorrect,too. AnindividualmemberoftheSurenwascalledSure,butnotonlybecauseanindiv idualwasmeantbyit,butalsobecausecourageandbravenesswereconnectedwit hit. Thelanguagesofthosetimeswereverylimitedinseveralways,andsoinrelati ontodifferentterms. Themarsh/swampdwellers,theSuren,wereconsideredasverycourageousandbrav ebecauseoftheirpile-dwellings,andthat swhytheywerenamedasSURESUREN,i .e.asbraveandcourageousswamp/marshdwellers. Billy: Isee;thenthesura(SureinGerman)intheKoranhasnorelation? Ptaah: No. Billy:

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ICE-MAN'sLINEAGE:Billy:Thanks.MyfirstquestionrelatestoUrk:AccordingtoyourexplanationshebelongedtothesibofSuren.FormonthswearetroublingourselvestofindsomethingaboutthoseSuren.While

searchingwefoundthathereinSwitzerlandthereexistsafamilynameSurenmann,andalsothetermSureorSur.ButalsoSurenbach(Surencreek)andSurenalp(Surenalp)etc.arenamesortermsthatquiteoftenappear.Asarule,thesenamesandtermsareconnectedtotheLowGermanandSwissGermantermSur,i.e.Sour(inEnglish).Somehowthisdoesntappearlogicaltome,becauseIcanhardlyimaginethatUrkssib,thatistheSuren,werecalledthesourones.Icannotfindaplausibleexplanation.CouldyouperhapsexplainthemeaningofthetermSureninUrkstime,andwhatwehavetounderstandofittoday?Ptaah:

Thereisnosecretaboutanexplanation.SURENisanancientceltictermwhichhasbecomeapartofseveralotherlanguages,andsoinallGermanlanguagesaswell.TheoriginaltermSUREliterallymeansSWAMP/MARSH,andthosehumanbeingswhoweresettlinginmarshygroundwerecalledSUREN.Theybuiltpile-dwellingsinmarshygroundandwerelivingonit,andthatswhytheywerecalledSUREN,i.e.marshdwellers.Themarsh/swampwascalledSUREbecausethegroundwassour/acid,accordingtotheold-CeltictermSur.ThefamilynameSURENMANNleadsbackindirectlinetotheoldSURENinsuchaformasthatthedwellerswerecalledmenandwomenfromtheSuren.LaterthisresultedasSurenmanandSurenwoman,wherebyonlythemalenameisusedtoday,accordingtomyknowledge.

ThetermSurenalporiginatedfromthefactthatthegroundwasmarshy,and,therefore,youwouldspeakofaMarshAlpintodayslanguage.ThesameappliestothetermSurenbach(Surencreek),whichwouldbecalledMarshCreekintheactuallanguage.Billy:ThenthetermsSURorSAUER(sour)inthisrespectonlyhavethemeaningorvalueofwordsforthesour/acidmarshground?Ptaah:Thatscorrect.Billy:Well,thenthesecondpartofthequestion:SURE,doesthisalsohaveanothervalue?Whileinvestigating,Istumbleduponthefactthatthetermscourageandbo

ld/bravearelinkedtoit.Ptaah:Thatscorrect,too.AnindividualmemberoftheSurenwascalledSure,butnotonlybecauseanindividualwasmeantbyit,butalsobecausecourageandbravenesswereconnectedwithit.Thelanguagesofthosetimeswereverylimitedinseveralways,andsoinrelationtodifferentterms.Themarsh/swampdwellers,theSuren,wereconsideredasverycourageousandbravebecauseoftheirpile-dwellings,andthatswhytheywerenamedasSURESUREN,i.e.asbraveandcourageousswamp/marshdwellers.Billy:Isee;thenthesura(SureinGerman)intheKoranhasnorelation?

Ptaah:No.Billy:

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ThenitisonlyawordinArabiclanguageforthetermchapter.Ptaah:Certainly.Billy:CanyoutellmewhatthenameUrkmeans?HansfoundoutthatthereexistsalocationneartheSeainHollandthatiscalledUrk.Ptaah:

Urkmeanshewhoissteadfast.Billy:AndtheislandorthelocationwhichhasbeenanislandinHolland?Theformerislandhasbecomemainlandinthemeantime.Ptaah:Themeaninginthiscaseisthesame:steadfastness,anislandthatwassteadfastagainstwind,stormandsea.Billy:Okay,thenthisisclear,too.Thanks.

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Block9,Seite22ICE-MAN'sOriginalName-ONDE:Billy:Ihaveaquestionregardingtheso-calledÖtzi,i.e.Urk,whichmeanshewhoissteadfast.Thisnameappearstomeassomehowstrange,justasitwouldnotbeofterrestrialorigin.Wasthishisrealname,orwasitgiventohimbyyourforbearers?

PtaahPtaah:ThenameUrkactuallyoriginatesfromPlejarengivingofnames.UrksrealnamewasOnde,butIdontknowitsmeaning.

Andbeforeyouask,whatwillbeinevitable:IwanttosaythatthefemalenameisUrka.Billy:Iactuallywantedtoaskthis.