Harmine vs. Harmaline - Welcome Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

CHAT PRIVACY DONATE EXQUISITUS INBOX LOGOUT

FAQ WIKI HEALTH & SAFETY ATTITUDE ACTIVE TOPICS SEARCH MEMBERS

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus » WELCOME AREA (new members can post here) » Welcome discussion » Harmine vs. harmaline

1 2 NEXT POST REPLY NEW TOPIC

Harmine vs. harmaline Options

Blundering_Novice #1 Posted : 4/7/2010 8:26:47 PM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 245

Joined: 04-Apr-2010

Last visit: 16-Jun-2010

Please forgive if this has been covered (and I suspect it has) but SWIM has acquired some Syrian Rue and read the extraction tek. Itappears as though one can separate them or keep them together. Would someone be so kind as to advise which is for what, ordirect me to an already existing discussion?

Thanks in advance!

www.rueshop.com

Good quality Syrian rue (Peganum harmala) for an incredible price!www.rueshop.com

endlessness #2 Posted : 4/7/2010 8:40:12 PM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 10326

Joined: 19-Feb-2008

Last visit: 29-Jul-2013

Location: Jungle

they are both MAOIs that work for activating oral dmt.. harmaline is stronger, one needs a dose of about 100mg, while harminedosage is around 200mg.. harmaline is more sedating/dreamy, harmine is not as sedating.. most people preffer harmine thanharmaline, but I like harmaline too..

keeping them together is fine, but depending on ratio of harmaline in the rue strain you have, it will overpower harmine.. Dosage ofboth mixed is around 150mg

If youre gonna start playing with harmalas, I suggest at some point taking them by themselves without dmt.. its interesting to seewhat they do alone and then what they do together with dmt

Collaborative Research Project - Help us!!

Analysis threads: Acacia - Phalaris - Caapi / Ayahuasca - Mimosa hostilis / Jungle Spice - Salvia

Substance testing subforum - How analytical methods work - Colorimetric reagent results - Rf of alkaloids for chromatography


DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 245

Joined: 04-Apr-2010


endlessness wrote:

they are both MAOIs that work for activating oral dmt.. harmaline is stronger, one needs a dose of about 100mg, while harminedosage is around 200mg.. harmaline is more sedating/dreamy, harmine is not as sedating.. most people preffer harmine thanharmaline, but I like harmaline too..

keeping them together is fine, but depending on ratio of harmaline in the rue strain you have, it will overpower harmine..Dosage of both mixed is around 150mg

If youre gonna start playing with harmalas, I suggest at some point taking them by themselves without dmt.. its interesting tosee what they do alone and then what they do together with dmt

Harmine vs. harmaline - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=11506

1 of 7 29/07/2013 12:54 PM

I have no intentions whatsoever of consuming them, of course. Alone or in combination with anything else on the DEA's list ofScheduled substances. But I had read that they weren't psychoactive in and of themselves. Do you have experience to the contrary?Do tell.

Oh, and thank you for the quick reply above. I really like this place and I eagerly anticipate the completion of my potty training.

q21q21 #4 Posted : 4/7/2010 9:26:12 PM QUOTE

SWIM

Posts: 1193

Joined: 08-Aug-2009


Location: Nowhere, I'm notreal.

Blundering_Novice wrote:

I have no intentions whatsoever of consuming them, of course. Alone or in combination with anything else on the DEA's list ofScheduled substances. But I had read that they weren't psychoactive in and of themselves. Do you have experience to thecontrary? Do tell.


Personally I've never consumed any scheduled substances or even worked with them. SWIM is my friend and he spends most of histimes overseas where there are no scheduled substances. Most of the time SWIM doesn't have time to access the internet but hesends me information all the time and gives me permission to post it at my will.

For example today I went to a movie and watched some TV, pretty lame.

SWIM on the other hand has been working on a tek using harmalas extracted from syrian rue administered as a gummy candy tomore than double the potency and he says it tastes good. He is going to try combining DMT and rue harmalas into the candy for agummyhuasca which is like sublingual-pharmahasca but in gummy-candy form.

Q21Q21's Tek: A comprehensive guide to extracting DMTThe 2 teks use non-toxic lime and vinegar and Tek 1: d-Limonene or Xylene or Tek 2: Naptha to produce very quick high yields with the greatestof ease.

I am almost never on this site anymore so I will likely not answer PMs


DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 245

Joined: 04-Apr-2010


q21q21 wrote:



Oh, and thank you for the quick reply above. I really like this place and I eagerly anticipate the completion of my pottytraining.

Personally I've never consumed any scheduled substances or even worked with them. SWIM is my friend and he spends most ofhis times overseas where there are no scheduled substances. Most of the time SWIM doesn't have time to access the internet buthe sends me information all the time and gives me permission to post it at my will.

For example today I went to a movie and watched some TV, pretty lame.

SWIM on the other hand has been working on a tek using harmalas extracted from syrian rue administered as a gummy candy tomore than double the potency and he says it tastes good. He is going to try combining DMT and rue harmalas into the candy fora gummyhuasca which is like sublingual-pharmahasca but in gummy-candy form.

In that case, next Halloween's trick-or-treaters are in for quite a surprise.

I say that in jest, of course.

Q21, if I were ever to undertake an extraction process (which I wouldn't) your A/B would be the one. I've read them all and yours isexcellent.


2 of 7 29/07/2013 12:54 PM

q21q21 #6 Posted : 4/7/2010 10:39:29 PM QUOTE

SWIM

Posts: 1193

Joined: 08-Aug-2009


Location: Nowhere, I'm notreal.

SWIM's tek for the DMT was his own using MHRB + vinegar, then lime, then limonene (seperation) and then vinegar (seperation)and heat.He doesn't plan to let naptha touch bark again, it is stinky and a hassle to keep warm.

For the harmalas SWIM has his own slightly-slightly modified method where he does not boil the Syrian rue but boils the water andpours it into a 1L glass bottle, (works well for 50-75g) he has used vinegar in the past but he doubts it is needed actually.

After 15-30 minutes and 2-5 rough shakes the water is left to settle from the seed mush and the top layer is poured through a cloth,until the seed mush start to pour out.

He tops up the bottle again with near-boiling water and repeats the process. The first pull has a small bit of oils and is a littletranslucent but the following pulls are 100% transperent. He hasn't yet figured out how many pulls it takes, but as it get to a palered-yellow SWIM stopped (he's only done it 3 times)

The resulting cloth-filtered brew is reduced down to 300-500ml and is SATURATED with rock salt (non-iodized) then put in the fridgesuntil cold. Once cold lots of goop is in the bottom.

The mix is filtered through a cloth, then a few (they clog) coffee filters. The filters and cloths are soaked in vinegar and the mix isfiltered through cloth then coffee filters.

Once clear SWIM last time freebased it with sodium carbonate, but he thinks that manske (saturating with salt) would work betterand get his yield above 1.25%, freebase particals seem to pass right through coffee filters!

So basically he would heat up the mix and saturated it with rock salt then put it in the fridge again. Filter and keep the filtrate whichis almost-pure harmalas.

Q21Q21's Tek: A comprehensive guide to extracting DMTThe 2 teks use non-toxic lime and vinegar and Tek 1: d-Limonene or Xylene or Tek 2: Naptha to produce very quick high yields with the greatestof ease.

I am almost never on this site anymore so I will likely not answer PMs

69ron #7 Posted : 4/8/2010 3:20:39 AM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 5826

Joined: 09-Jun-2008

Last visit: 08-Sep-2010

Location: USA


But I had read that they weren't psychoactive in and of themselves. Do you have experience to the contrary? Do tell.

Harmine and harmaline are both psychedelic on their own if the dose is high enough. Both will cause CEVs, ripples in vision, trailing,altered perception of sound, etc. The effect is very dreamy, drifty, more like daydreaming than a true psychedelic.

PLEASE DO NOT PM ME.I do not answer PMs! I delete all PMs no matter who they are from, even from a good friend. I don't have time for the PMs. I have very little free time. If you have a

question just post it in a thread

All my posts are hypothetical and for educational/entertainment purposes, and are not an endorsement of said activities. SWIM (a fictionalcharacter based on other people) either obtained a license for said activity, did said activity where it is legal to do so, or as in most cases theactivity is completely fictional.

endlessness #8 Posted : 4/8/2010 4:31:27 AM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 10326

Joined: 19-Feb-2008



endlessness wrote:

they are both MAOIs that work for activating oral dmt.. harmaline is stronger, one needs a dose of about 100mg, whileharmine dosage is around 200mg.. harmaline is more sedating/dreamy, harmine is not as sedating.. most people prefferharmine than harmaline, but I like harmaline too..

keeping them together is fine, but depending on ratio of harmaline in the rue strain you have, it will overpower harmine..Dosage of both mixed is around 150mg

If youre gonna start playing with harmalas, I suggest at some point taking them by themselves without dmt.. its interestingto see what they do alone and then what they do together with dmt


3 of 7 29/07/2013 12:54 PM

Location: Jungle



I dont know where you live but the only country im aware of where harmalas are illegal is france.

As ron said, harmalas are psychoactive by themselves, but they are not exactly like the common psychedelics.. try it yourself.. with200-250mg harmine, I can definitely feel a weird headspace, some kind of tracers and light visual alterations, change in feeling andself perception, kinda dreamy etc.. more harmine is unpleasant imo.. I havent explored enough harmaline to know but I canimagine its more or less the same case, psychoactive but gets unpleasant at higher dosages




Dimitrius #9 Posted : 4/8/2010 4:39:42 AM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 1014

Joined: 18-Jan-2008

Last visit: 26-May-2013

endlessness wrote:


From erowid:

"Harmaline (and possibly other harmala alkaloids) is a scheduled substance in Canada."

"Within your heart is a lotus, and within this lotus is a diamond. This diamond is the source of creation, and in all the creation, there is only onelotus."

"Only from the Heart can you touch the sky." ~ Rumi


DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 10326

Joined: 19-Feb-2008


Location: Jungle

there you go, one more country to the list...




69ron #11 Posted : 4/8/2010 4:57:32 AM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 5826

Dimitrius wrote:

endlessness wrote:



4 of 7 29/07/2013 12:54 PM

Joined: 09-Jun-2008

Last visit: 08-Sep-2010

Location: USA

From erowid:


It's funny how harmaline is banned in Canada but harmine and THH are not. Harmaline is twice as toxic as harmine, so maybe that'swhy it's illegal and harmine is not. But since you can still purchase harmine in Canada, that law means very little to most of us. Mostpeople prefer harmine over harmaline anyway.

PLEASE DO NOT PM ME.I do not answer PMs! I delete all PMs no matter who they are from, even from a good friend. I don't have time for the PMs. I have very little free time. If you have a

question just post it in a thread

All my posts are hypothetical and for educational/entertainment purposes, and are not an endorsement of said activities. SWIM (a fictionalcharacter based on other people) either obtained a license for said activity, did said activity where it is legal to do so, or as in most cases theactivity is completely fictional.

Dimitrius #12 Posted : 4/8/2010 5:06:53 AM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 1014

Joined: 18-Jan-2008

Last visit: 26-May-2013

69ron wrote:

Dimitrius wrote:

endlessness wrote:


From erowid:


It's funny how harmaline is banned in Canada but harmine and THH are not. Harmaline is twice as toxic as harmine, so maybethat's why it's illegal and harmine is not. But since you can still purchase harmine in Canada, that law means very little to mostof us. Most people prefer harmine over harmaline anyway.

Huh, that's weird.

"Within your heart is a lotus, and within this lotus is a diamond. This diamond is the source of creation, and in all the creation, there is only onelotus."

"Only from the Heart can you touch the sky." ~ Rumi

Fakkz #13 Posted : 4/9/2010 10:33:48 PM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 60

Joined: 09-Jan-2009

Last visit: 03-Mar-2011

Location: QLD, Aus

Harmalas are illegal in Australia as well, and have penalties like "hard" narcotics. Never heard of anyone being caught though, butI'm not really plugged in.

Dagger #14 Posted : 4/10/2010 2:18:37 AM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 992

Joined: 20-Aug-2008


Location: Norway

Syrian Rue is illegal in Norway, although the actives are not.

'Your mind is like this water my friend. When it is agitated, it becomes difficult to see. But if you allow it to settle, the answer becomes clear' -Master Oogway - Kung Fu Panda

kaleidoscope eyes #15 Posted : 4/11/2010 7:01:38 AM QUOTE


5 of 7 29/07/2013 12:54 PM

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 112

Joined: 28-Mar-2010


Location: the thermosphere

Fakkz wrote:

Harmalas are illegal in Australia as well, and have penalties like "hard" narcotics. Never heard of anyone being caught though,but I'm not really plugged in.

Australia is pretty strict with our scheduled substances =(& even bongs are illegal here in QLD

On topic though, wikipedia misleads me : o" The harmala alkaloids are not especially psychoactive on their own, even at high dosages, when vomiting and diarrhea become themain effect. "

the fictional character, kaleidoscope eyes, resides in the sky with diamonds and cellophane flowers


DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 10326

Joined: 19-Feb-2008


Location: Jungle

As for the wikipedia link, if you havent yet, try it by themselves and see for yourself what you think and tell us .. In myexperience there is no doubt they are psychoactive, but also no doubt different than normal psychedelics..

sorry for you guys about australia being so harsh on these things




kaleidoscope eyes #17 Posted : 4/11/2010 7:31:46 AM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 112

Joined: 28-Mar-2010


Location: the thermosphere

endlessness wrote:



SWIM hasn't even tried harmala or harmaline in combination with DMT yet : o [only just the spice by itself so far]I think after I try changa trying them out by themselves too will be on the to do list =)

the fictional character, kaleidoscope eyes, resides in the sky with diamonds and cellophane flowers

DMTripper #18 Posted : 5/31/2012 5:35:10 PM QUOTE

John Murdoch IV

Posts: 1925

Joined: 18-Jan-2008


Location: Changes fromtime to time.

kaleidoscope eyes wrote:

endlessness wrote:



SWIM hasn't even tried harmala or harmaline in combination with DMT yet : o [only just the spice by itself so far]I think after I try changa trying them out by themselves too will be on the to do list =)

Yes definitely try them out on their own before mixing them with DMT. And when you try that start low.I overshot my first pharmahuasca dose and went through a horrible experience. Very terrifying horrible experience. I started with250mg's of caapi extracted harmalas and 85mg's of DMT. Should have started with 150mg's of harmalas and 50mg's DMT.


6 of 7 29/07/2013 12:54 PM

––––––

DMTripper is a fictional character therefore everything he says here must be fiction.I mean, who really believes there is such a thing as Hyperspace!!

joedirt #19 Posted : 5/31/2012 7:47:55 PM QUOTE

Not I

Posts: 1626

Joined: 30-Aug-2010


DMTripper I believe you revived a 2 year old thread!

Funny thread though.


Q21, if I were ever to undertake an extraction process (which I wouldn't) your A/B would be the one. I've read them all andyours is excellent.


I have no intentions whatsoever of consuming them, of course. Alone or in combination with anything else on the DEA's list ofScheduled substances.

LMFAO.. Nope I'd never extract, but I'd have read every single extraction TEK on the site!

Liberation is to be free of personal identity and the hypnosis of conditioning;It is to be free from the magnetic influence and compulsiveness of the psychological mind.It is to recognise that you are not an object, that this body is an inadequate representation of being, and is only a vessel through whichconsciousness and the vital force act in their portrayal called ‘life’.

~ Mooji

wearepeople #20 Posted : 6/12/2013 1:55:59 PM QUOTE

DMT-Nexus member

Posts: 591

Joined: 28-Jun-2012


I'm bumping this thread to hopefully get more opinions about the effects of harmine vs. harmaline.

Please share your opinions, thoughts, experiences!

Big Thank You!

The Nexus Art GallerySustainable Plants and SeedsBasics for Successful Indoor Gardening

1 2 NEXTPOST REPLY NEW TOPIC

Quick Reply

Users browsing this forum

exquisitus

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus » WELCOME AREA (new members can post here) » Welcome discussion » Harmine vs. harmaline

DMT-Nexus theme created by The TravelerThis page was generated in 0.294 seconds.


7 of 7 29/07/2013 12:54 PM

Harmine vs. Harmaline - Welcome Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Documents

Transcript of Harmine vs. Harmaline - Welcome Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus