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Hany I Ragy MD, FSCAI Cardiology Dept, NHI Cairo , Egypt

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Hany I Ragy MD, FSCAICardiology Dept, NHI

Cairo , Egypt

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Case report Mr IM a 50 year old heavy smoking tourist guide without other risk factors, severe de novo effort angina.

Coronary angiography on 4/4/2011, a bifurcation LAD/D1 stenosis and a critical ostial (bifurcation)PDAstenosis.

Patient referred to CABG.

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Patient asks questions, Doc A answers

Q: Is there any other option than having surgery? A: Yes, we “can” perform stenting, but is risky and expensive.

Q:More risky than surgery? A: Yes! Q:Don’t worry about the cost Doc, talk science to me, the price of my chest getting opened is very high in MY eyes.

A: its better for you on the long term. Q: do you mind if I get another opinion? A: no, go ahead, good luck, call me anytime.

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Q&A to Doc B (me)

Q: is there another alternative to surgery? A: yes, PCI with DES is a good alternative, CABG is the classical treatment, but PCI is a valid option in your case.

Q: the Doc A said it was technically very difficult because it is branching points.

A: It is not simple, but is doable, and yes the branching points pose some challenge, both long and short terms.

What do you think is best for me Doc?

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Doc B: you have to decide, btw, did anyone tell you that even surgery poses a risk of repeat procedures albeit less than that of PCI?

Patient: no, I thought surgery was a permanent solution.

Doc: no its just statistically better on long term. Patient: can you do the PCI, I simply can not bear the thought of my chest getting opened and cant afford to be off work for one month.

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More Questions:

How did it go? Really, very well? In 40 minutes? It’s really over? Is this really it? Now you tell me its as good as CABG? YOU MEAN YOU WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY LET ME HAVE MY CHEST OPENED? I DON’T KNOW IF I SHOULD THANK YOU OR IF I SHOULD SUE YOU?!

Comment: You doctors should be me more definitive about my treatment options, I am a patient, I don’t feel very qualified to decide, honestly, I feel you and the previous doctor  almost misguided me!

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Why? Why did the previous doctor tell me it was technically challenging due to the branching? Obviously all those procedures have some degree of challenge and require skill.

Why were you both going to allow me to have my chest opened by a surgeon, when after 40 minutes of minimal discomfort if any, you now say that what I have is almost as good as surgery? I nearly accepted having the surgery and I am unhappy about that.

I feel there was a degree of randomness in the way that such an important decision was taken.

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Final Slide

Do we have enough standardization to allow the patients to truly give an informed consent to what revascularization modality is truly best for them?

Is that simply because we do not know ourselves what is best?