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There is one God – The Father

Review

There is one Lord– Jesus Christ

The only begotten Son of GodThere is one Spirit – The Holy Spirit of God & Christ

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What about the Holy Spirit?

Philippians 2:6

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God

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John 5:37

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his nor seen his shape.shape.

Does God have a form and shape?

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John 4:24

God is a SpiritGod is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Is God only physical?

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Isaiah 40:13

Who hath directed the SpiritSpirit of of the LORDthe LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

What is the Bible definition for ‘spirit’?

Romans 11:34

For who hath known the mindmind of of the Lordthe Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

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What is the relation between man and his

spirit?Daniel 2:1

And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his his spirit was spirit was troubledtroubled, and his sleep brake from him.

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1 Corinthians 2:11

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even soeven so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

What is the relation between man and his

spirit?

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Psalm 51:11

Cast me not away from thy presencepresence; and take not thy holy holy spiritspirit from me.

Is it just a force?

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Where does the Holy Spirit come from?

John 20:22

And when he had said this, he he breathed on them, breathed on them, and saith unto and saith unto them, Receive ye them, Receive ye the Holy Ghostthe Holy Ghost:“Christ gives them the breath of His own spirit, the life of His own life.” {DA 827.3}www.Revelation1412.org

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Which Spirit?

“But there are two spirits in the world,--the Spirit the Spirit of God of God and the the spirit of Satanspirit of Satan.”

{ST, November 24, 1887 par. 7}

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John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.“Christ is not here

referring to his doctrine, but to his person, the divinity of his character.” {RH, April 5, 1906 par. 12}

The Spirit is a person!

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Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? (4) … thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.Acts 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord?

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Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. {14MR 23}

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“This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter.” {14MR 179}1891“This Comforter is the Holy

Spirit,--the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin.”Review and Herald, May 19, 1904 par. 1

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While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, "Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." Matthew 28:20. While He delegates His power to inferior ministers, His energizing presence is still with His church. {DA 166.2}

The Head of the Church

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They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks. {9T 189.3}

The Trio

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John 14:16, 26

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another ComforterComforter, that he may abide with you for ever; But the Comforter, But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghostwhich is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

What did Christ promise to send us?

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Galatians 4:6

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the the Spirit of his SonSpirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Who is this Spirit?

2 Corinthians 3:17

Now the Lord is that SpiritNow the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

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John 14:18

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to I will come to youyou.

Who is this Comforter?

“The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be.” {8MR 49}

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The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has He has sought to shut Jesus from their sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforterview as the Comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, "This is the way, walk ye in it." {RH, August 26, 1890 par. 10}

Why are we weak?

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Satan is determined that men shall not see the love of God which led Him to give His only-His only-begotten Sonbegotten Son to save a lost race; for it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance.

Selected Messages Book 1, p.156

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““His His Teaching Teaching

in Our in Our Past Past

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One God in the Trinity and One God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, the Trinity in unity, without either confusing without either confusing the persons or dividing the the persons or dividing the substance; for the person substance; for the person of the Father is one, the of the Father is one, the Son’s is another, the Holy Son’s is another, the Holy Spirit’s is another; but Spirit’s is another; but the Godhead of the Father, the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.majesty coeternal.

Athanasian Creed. New Catechism p. 67, 68Athanasian Creed. New Catechism p. 67, 68

Now this is the Catholic faith; We worship Now this is the Catholic faith; We worship

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Trinity Trinity There is one God: There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons. co-eternal Persons.

“Seventh-Day Adventists agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity”

Seventh-day Seventh-day Adventist Adventist Fundamental Belief Fundamental Belief #2#2

permission to publish this work is hereby granted. +Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004

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“The New Pictorial Aid” by Frank Breaden. p. 75.Sold at the ABC

(From the book "My Catholic Faith" by Bishop Louis LaRavoire Morrow, S.T.D.)

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God’s true God’s true church church through the through the agesages

“We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and his and his teaching in our teaching in our past historypast history.” {GCDB, January 29, 1893 par. 5}

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• Alamanni – Alamanni – GermanGerman

• Burgundians – Burgundians – SwissSwiss

• Franks – Franks – FrenchFrench

• Lombards – Lombards – ItalianItalian

• Saxons – Saxons – EnglishEnglish

• Suevi – Suevi – PortuguesePortuguese

• Visigoths – Visigoths – SpanishSpanish

• HeruliHeruli – – ExtinctExtinct

• VandalsVandals - - ExtinctExtinct

• OstrogothsOstrogoths – – ExtinctExtinct

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For 1260 years the For 1260 years the church was driven into church was driven into the wilderness by the the wilderness by the papal system.papal system.

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“No wonder that the CelticCeltic, the Gothic, the Waldensian, the Armenian Churches, and the great Church of the East, as well as other bodies, differed profoundly from the Papacy in its metaphysical conceptions of metaphysical conceptions of the Trinitythe Trinity and consequently in the importance of the Ten Commandments.” (B. G. Wilkinson, Truth Triumphant Chapter 7, pp.87, 88 electronic version)

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1260 1260 yearsyears

538AD - 1798AD

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October 22, 1844

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“At the right side of the mountainmountain appeared a mighty angel, with raiment like unto burnished gold, his legs were like pillars of flaming fire, his countenance was like the lightning, and his crown gave light to this boundless place, and those that had not passed through death, could not look upon his countenance. I then beheld upon the side of this mount, letters like pure gold which said, “THE “THE FATHER, AND THE SON."FATHER, AND THE SON." Directly under these letters stood the mighty angel, whose crown lighted up the place, and all the heavenly host worshiped at his feet, round about the mountain.”

The Christian Experience of William E. Foy, p. 12, 13

William Ellis Foy

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December 1844

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The Methodist Faith

“There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body or parts, of infinite power, wisdom and goodness: the maker and preserver of all things, visible and invisible. And in unity of this God-head, there are three persons of one substance, power and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.” The first article of the Methodist Religion, p. 8.

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Progressive TruthProgressive Truth

Consistent

“I do not wish to ignore or drop one link in the chain of evidence that was formed as, after the passing of the time in 1844 …The evidence given in our early experience has the same force that it had then. The truth is the same as it ever has been, and not a pin or a pillar can be moved from the structure of truth. That which was sought for out of the Word in 1844, 1845, and 1846 remains the truth in every particular.” {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume 1, p. 52. 1906}

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Foundational TruthFoundational Truth“Many of our people do not realize how firmly the foundation of our faith has been laid. My husband, Elder Joseph Bates, Father Pierce Elder {Hiram} Edson, and others who were keen, noble, and true, were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for the truth as for hidden treasure. … I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explanation of the passages we had been studying would be given me, with instruction as to how we were to labor and teach effectively. Thus light was given that helped us to understand the scriptures in regard to Christ, His mission, and His priesthood. {1SM 206, 207}1904

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Old LandmarkOld Landmark

“Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men.” {MR760 9.5}1905

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“Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ” {J. S. White, Review & Herald, December 11, 1855}

What was the foundation of our faith?

(The Son of God)

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“God has permitted the precious light of truth to shine upon His word and illuminate the mind of my husband. He may reflect the rays of light from the presence of Jesus upon others by his preaching and writing.” {3T 502}1875

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Progressive TruthProgressive Truth

Consistent

“That which was sought for out of the

Word in 1844, 1845, and 1846 remains the truth in every particular.” {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume 1, p. 52. 1906}

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“The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the

only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using

the old the old unscriptural unscriptural Trinitarian creedTrinitarian creed, viz.,

that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to

support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in

abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God.” {J.

S. White, The Day Star, January 24, 1846}

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“Christ is the only literal son of God. “The only begotten of the Father.” John 1:14. He is God because he is the Son of God; not by virtue of His resurrection.” {J. G. Matteson, Review & Herald, October 12, 1869 p. 123)

John Gottlieb Matteson

(1835 – 1896)

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Progressive TruthProgressive Truth

Consistent

“We have no doubt, neither have we had a doubt for years, that the doctrines we hold today are present truth, and that we are nearing the judgment.” {E. G. White, Testimonies Vol. 2, p. 355. 1870}

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I. That there is one God, a personal, spiritual being, the creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal; infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by his representative, the Holy Spirit. Ps. 139:7.

II. That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, the one by whom he created all things, and by whom they do consist;…

III. That the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, contain a full revelation of his will to man, and are the only infallible rule of faith....” {Fundamental Principles of SDA’s no. 1, p. 147}

1872 Statement of beliefs

The following propositions may be taken as a summary of the principal features of their religious faith, upon which there is, so far as we know, entire unanimity throughout the body.

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“The Father was greater than the Son in that he was first. The Son was equal with the Father in that he had received all things from the Father.” {J. S. White, Review & Herald, January 4, 1881}

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“God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been givengiven an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son.” {Testimonies Vol.8, p. 268.3}

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“In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived.” {The Desire of Ages, p. 530}

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"I lay it down of myself" (John 10: 18), He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as His personal Saviour. "This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent". This is the open fountain of life for the world.” {The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1897 quoted in Selected Messages Book 1, pp. 296, 297}

(Note: Original, unborrowed underived life can be GIVEN)

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“All things Christ received from God, but He took to give.” {The Desire of Ages, p. 21}

“So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Father's life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, in praise and joyous service, a tide of love, to the great Source of all.” {The Desire of Ages, p. 21}

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1. It is contrary to common sense. 2. It is contrary to scripture. 3. Its origin is Pagan and fabulous.1. It is not very consonant with common sense to talk of three being one, and one being three. Or as some express it, calling God "the Triune God," or "the three-one-God." If Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are each God, it would be three Gods; for three times one is not one, but three.{J. N. Loughborough, Review & Herald, November 5, 1861}

What was the foundation of our faith?

(Objections to the Trinity)

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God the FatherGod the SonGod the Holy Spirit____3 Gods

Tritheism

TrinityTri-unityTriune

of God

of God

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1888

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There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning.

{E. J. Waggoner, Christ And His Righteousness, pp. 19-24. 1890}

What was the foundation of Righteousness by faith?

(The Son of God)

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Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He was begotten, not created. He is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is God; and since this is so 'It pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell.' Col. 1:19...While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christ's personality had a beginning.” {E. J. Waggoner, Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889}

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“The angels are sons of God, as was Adam…by creation; Christians are the sons of God by adoption (Rom. 8:14, 15), but Christ is the Son of God by birthby birth. . … and so Christ is the "express image" of the Father's person.” {E. J. Waggoner, Christ And His Righteousness, p. 12. 1890}

“"God so loved the world, that

he gave his only-begotten

Son,"-- not a son by creation,

as were the angels, nor a

son by adoption, as is

the forgiven sinner, but a

Son begottenbegotten in the express

image of the Father's

person…” {E. G. White, Signs of the Times, May

30, 1895}

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Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with

the eternal Father,--one in nature, in character, and in

purpose,--the only being in all the only being in all the universethe universe that could enter

into all the counsels and purposes of God. {GC 493.1}

Did Ellen White teach Trinity / Tritheism / Triunity?

The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. {YI, July 7, 1898 par. 2}

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The only being who was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenter's bench with his earthly parent. {ST, October 14, 1897 par. 3}

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Divine Beings

Creature

Pre-Fall

“Speaking of Satan, our Lord says that "he abode not in the truth." He was once the covering cherub, glorious in beauty and holiness. He was next to Christ in exaltation and character.” {RH, October 22, 1895 par. 1}

“It was Gabriel, the angel next in rank to the Son of God, who came with the divine message to Daniel.” {DA 234} Divine

BeingsCreature

Post-Fall

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Deuteronomy 6:7 Deuteronomy 6:7 And thou shalt And thou shalt teach them diligently teach them diligently unto thy childrenunto thy children, and shalt talk of , and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.risest up. www.Revelation1412.org

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“The angels, therefore, are created beings, necessarily of a lower order

than their Creator. Christ is the only being begotten of the Father.” {J. E.

White, Past, Present and Future, p. 52. 1909}

James Edson White(1849 – 1928)

“Only one being in the universe besides the Father bears the name of God, and that is His Son, Jesus

Christ.”  {J. E. White, The Coming King, p. 33}

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“Angels were expelled from heaven because they would not work in harmony with God. They fell from their high estate because they wanted to be exalted. They had come to exalt themselves, and they forgot that their beauty of person and of character came from the Lord Jesus. This fact the [fallen] angels would obscure, that Christ was the only begotten Son of God, and they came to consider that they were not to consult Christ.”

This Day With God, p. 128

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“The statements and the arguments of some of our ministers, in their

effort to prove that the Holy Spirit is an individual as are God the Father

and Christ, the eternal Son, have perplexed me, and sometimes they

have made me sad. One popular teacher said ‘We may regard Him, as the fellow who is down here running

things.’ {Letter, W. C. White to H. W. Carr, April 30, 1935}

William Clarence White(1854 – 1937)

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“It was also shown me that my son, W. C. White, should be my helper and counselor, and that the Lord would place on him the spirit of wisdom and of a sound mind. I was shown that the Lord would guide him, and that he would not be led away, because he would recognize the leadings and guidance of the Holy Spirit.” {E. G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, pp. 54, 55}

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Progressive Truth?Progressive Truth?

Consistent

“The Word of the Lord has guided our steps since the passing of the time in 1844. We have searched the Scriptures; we have built solidly; and we have not had to tear up our foundations and put in new timbers.”{1MR 54.1}

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““The mystery of the The mystery of the TrinityTrinity is the central is the central doctrine of the doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Upon it Catholic Faith. Upon it are based all the other are based all the other teachings of the teachings of the Church.”Church.” Handbook For Today’s Catholic,

page 16

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“After the passing of the time in 1844 we searched for the truth as for hidden treasure. … Thus light was given that helped us to understand the scriptures in regard to Christ, his mission, and his priesthood. A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God, was made plain to me, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given me.” {RH, May 25, 1905 par. 24}

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