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INSIDE THIS ISSUEHas Noah’s Ark Been Found At Last? . . . . . . 3

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Gary Stearman interviews Arch Bonnema about his artifacts re-trieved from the 13,126-foot level atop Mount Suleiman in Iran. He talked about his climb and showed samples of petrified wood, salt-water barnacles, and sea anemone embedded in the petrified wood at the site; but most important of all, he showed a piece of animal waste containing butterfly wings, hair from tigers and lions, and animal DNA from several species of animals who live on every continent in the world! How did they all get together in one place?

Page 8 . . . Modern Sacrifices to Evil GodsBy Gary Stearman

Has Noah’s Ark Been Found At Last?Edited by J. R. Church

Modern Sacrifices to Evil Gods . . . . . 8Cattle mutilations have increased over the years. American

ranchers have lost cattle to these mysterious predators, who drain the animal of every drop of blood and cut out organs with a tech-nology that does not exist on this planet, including removing brains without opening the skull. Now, English shepherds are losing their sheep. Many groups have set up teams to watch over their flocks, and report seeing UFOs sweeping down over the herd and snatch-ing sheep. Gary Stearman writes about this phenomenon and sug-gests that the ancient gods of mythology are returning to Earth.

Bob’s Corner . . . . . . 17Bob Ulrich reviews a new Christian movie: The Secrets of Jon-

athan Sperry. It will make you feel like a kid again. Better yet, it has a timeless message that will never go out of style. Three 12-year-old boys have their lives changed as they meet to study the Bible in Jonathan’s Sperry’s home.

Eschatology 101 (Chapter Six) . . . . . . 33This chapter covers the subject: “The Doctrine of the Great

Sabbath.” J. R. Church comments on the “Millennial Day” con-cept taught in Hosea; shows how Jesus announced His Advent in a Synagogue on the Sabbath; healed people on the Sabbath; was transfigured “after six days” — all pointing toward the establish-ment of heaven’s kingdom in the seventh millennium.

Page 17 . . . Bob’s Corner By Bob Ulrich

Page 33 . . . Eschatology 101 (Chapter Six)By J. R. Church

Page 15 . . . The Madness of Moral BlindnessBy Gary Stearman

The Madness of Moral Blindness . . . . . . 15Why does it seem that every decision made in Washington

D.C., is “crazy”? In this Prophetic Mini-Study, Gary Stearman lays out the problem from the Scriptures. When men deliberately turn from God, they are plagued by the madness of moral blind-ness. Common sense is no longer sought. II Timothy 3:1 pre-dicted an age when “perilous times shall come.” We are there. America and the world have reached the “last days” where the meaning of “perilous times” is revealed — “ragingly insane.”

Page 37 . . . Pravda Quotes Scripture By Gary Stearman

Pravda Quotes Scripture . . . . . . 37Shortly after the eruption of Iceland’s volcano, an acidic cloud

of ash swept eastward across Europe. As the winds of the jet stream drove it ever farther toward northern Europe and Rus-sia, many expressed their fear that this natural disaster displayed almost biblical proportions. Furthermore, they expressed deep dread that a companion volcano, named Katla, might also erupt, spewing ten times more gas and ash than the eruption in prog-ress. Most surprisingly, a culture known for its atheistic tenden-cies was caught expressing its fear in terms of Bible prophecy!

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The Evidence Is Overwhelming!

Has Noah’s Ark Been Found At Last?

Edited by J. R. Church

What you are about to read will thrill you beyond measure. At last, a Texan offers a fascinating explanation for the location of Noah’s Ark. Mr. Arch Bonnema, from McKinney, Texas, brought back samples of petrified wood from the 13,126-foot level

atop Mount Suleiman (Solomon — said to be the only mountain in Iran with a Jewish name), located about 50 miles north of Te-heran. Arch Bonnema sent his samples to five prestigious labo-ratories for analysis

and had the scientists all abuzz over what they found. Gary Stearman interviewed Arch Bonnema for our television program (airing in June) and we offer his interview as our cover story, along with pictures of petrified wood — and especially a piece of animal waste that contains butterfly wings, hair from tigers who live in India, lions who live in Africa, and DNA from several animals that currently live all over the world. How did these animals all get together in one place? The evidence is as-tounding.

Gary Stearman and Arch BonnemaGary Stearman: Welcome to Prophecy

in the News, Arch. Arch Bonnema: Thank you Gary. It’s

great to be here.Gary: We’re going to first ask you about

the latest news item — Noah’s Ark discov-ered in Turkey on Mt. Ararat. What do you think about that?

Arch: Interesting, isn’t it? Everybody says no one is interested in hearing about God anymore, and yet it made worldwide news when they found it. Unfortunately for them, within three days it was proven to be a fraud. A group of five Kurdish men found a very old building by the Black Sea, took pictures inside that building,

Arch Bonnema explains the rock containing animal DNA to J. R. and Gary on the set of Prophecy in the News television program. Animal waste dropped to the bottom hull of the ship, then became petrified rock. Hairs, feathers, etc., were embedded in it.

The pile of rocks seen in the center of this picture is believed to have slid down the mountain from the 15,000-foot level during the earthquake that occurred here in the year 2000. Inset: Man-made planks of wood became petrified.

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and then raised money under the pretense that this building was on Mt. Ararat, and carried the boards up the mountain, as-sembled them in a cave and took pictures. Then they offered to show it to a Chinese group for a huge sum of money. Well, the funny thing is, the first pictures you look at before they took it apart had cobwebs. At 13,000 feet, there should be no cobwebs! It should have been the first sign. Dr. Ran-dall Price has a pretty interesting story at “worldofthebible.com.” He invested sev-eral thousand dollars towards the expedi-tion before he found out that it was a hoax. On his website, he gives the evidence on the fact that it was a fake. But, what I think what is interesting is that so many people continue to go to Mt. Ararat in Turkey, because the Bible is very clear on where Noah’s Ark is, and Turkey doesn’t fit that model at all.

Gary: We’ve had astronauts climbing Mt. Ararat, and we’ve had satellite photos. The world’s attention has been focused on that particular mountain, which, by the way, stands all by itself right out in the middle of a plain.

Arch: Genesis 8:4 says, “And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seven-teenth day of the month, upon the moun-tains of Ararat.” And it’s true if you look on a globe or map it shows Mt. Ararat in Turkey. What it doesn’t show is that it wasn’t named Mt. Ararat until 4000 years after the flood. According to “Wikipedia.com,” in the 11th century the Armenians started calling it “Noah’s mountain.” But in the 13th century, Marco Polo was travelling across Turkey on his way to China when someone said, “This is Noah’s mountain and Noah’s Ark is on this mountain.” He said, “Well, then that must be Mt. Ararat.” And he wrote “Ararat” on the map in his book and that was the first time that it was called Mt. Ararat. The Bible says that it landed in the mountains of Ararat, but it doesn’t say Turkey. It says “mountains” plural. And except for Mt. Ararat, with little Ararat being right alongside it, that’s the only thing that there is for mountains out there. And the next verse is even more specific. “… on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.” We used to have military bases there, and I’ve had pilots email me, write me, and call me saying, “We flew around Mt. Ararat and you couldn’t see anything for hundreds of miles.” I flew across it at 38,000 feet and the pilot said, “Look out the right side of the plane. You’ll see Mt. Ararat.” And sure enough, but as far as you could see at 38,000 feet, there were no other mountains that could be seen.

Gary: So what you’re saying is that the recent claim was a hoax.

Arch: In 1616, Sir Walter Scott wrote that it was impossible for Mt. Ararat to be in Turkey because of Genesis 11:2, which says, “And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.” Well, if you’re travelling from the east, you’re headed west. Here’s the prob-lem: Mt. Ararat in Turkey is northwest. So when the NIV was edited, someone looked at the map and said, “Uh oh, the Bible was written wrong,” they changed the NIV to read, “Noah’s sons traveled eastward,” in-stead of “from the east.” The problem is the Greek says, “from the east.” The King

James says, “from the east.” The Hebrew text says, “from the east.” But the NIV changed it. However, in 2008, after I had given this talk many times, I got a Bible in the mail from the NIV publishers saying, “Please don’t say that we’re saying it any-more. We’ve changed the NIV Bible.” So from 2008 forward, the NIV now says that Noah’s sons travelled “from the east.”

Gary: So, if you go from the traditional site of Mt. Ararat in Turkey, you have to go back toward the east.

Arch: Yes, if we go to Shinar and pro-ceed toward the east, we will find a range of mountains that, for more than 2000 years, was called the region of Ararat. And there are four maps dating from A.D. 900

The seams or cracks between these boards are filled with asphalt pitch. It looks like sand, but when the team scratched the sand away, they found black asphalt pitch sealing the petrified wood. The reason this looks like a pile and not a ship is because the ship slid 2,000 feet down the mountain, piling up here.

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Arch Bonnema brought back samples of petrified wood, soaked in an asphalt pitch, with barnacles and sea anemones encrusted together; causing five U. S. laboratories to conclude that the pile of petrified wood dis-covered at the 13,100-foot level near the top of Mount Suleiman, some 50 miles northwest of Tehran, Iran, came from an ancient ship that floated in salt water for several months. But even more telling among the artifacts, was a petrified sample that contains animal waste collected on the bottom floor of the ship. Found in the sample was hair from tigers that live in India and lions that live in Africa. It also contains butterfly wings from butterflies that are native to South America, feathers from several species of birds, and DNA from several more animals from every continent in the world. This is the most compelling proof that the ship carried a cargo of animals. Watch Gary’s interview about the animal waste. These two DVDs contain two lectures by Arch Bonnema on Noah’s Ark and the Ark of the Covenant, plus two interviews by Gary Stearman on these subjects. (two DVDs - approximately 2 hours) These four programs (a $30.00 value) are being offered to you for a donation of any amount, whatever you can afford. If you’re having a hard time, tell us and we will send it free.

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all the way back to 600 B.C. that show one mountain that has Noah’s Ark on it — from different explorers over a 1,700-year time span. Four explorers claim to have found Noah’s Ark. And that mount is Mt. Sulei-man (Solomon), the only mountain in the entire Middle East with a Hebrew name.

The 2006 ExpeditionGary: Now we get to the interesting

part of the story. Arch Bonnema has actu-ally travelled to the “mountains of Ararat” mentioned in the Bible. This is what you believe you’ve done, and you have actu-ally climbed one of those mountains. Tell us how that happened, how you came to climb that particular mountain, and what you saw.

Arch: There was a group of 14 of us that went there in June 2006, just a few years ago. We climbed the mountain and got to our base camp. We had five moun-tain guides (a grandfather in his 70s, his two sons in their 40s, and two grandsons in their 20s). When the grandfather ap-proached us he said, “Why are you at my mountain? You’re the second group of white people I’ve ever seen. The first ones were Germans 35 years ago.” Well, be-fore we left it looked like the war between Israel and Iran was breaking out, so we weren’t going to be talking about Noah’s Ark, so we just said that we’re looking for an object. He lit up. He said, “You want to see Noah’s Ark?” We said, “Okay, why do you ask?” “Because it’s on my mountain.” He said, “I haven’t seen it for more than 50 years, but each year now the ice keeps melting.” And he said, “This is the first time we can see it in more than 50 years.” And that, of course, extraordinarily raised our anticipation and adrenaline level.

Gary: What did you see as you came upon this scene, which he claimed to be Noah’s Ark?

Arch: At 13,126 feet, we found the pet-rified remains of an ancient ship. We took more than 1,000 pictures as a group. We brought back sixteen pieces of it. We sent five of the pieces to five different labs. All the labs came back with the same answer. They said, “You have the petrified remains of an ancient ship,” based on three things. First of all, it was petrified wood; secondly, two of the pieces had saltwater creatures that had burrowed deep into the wood and became petrified with it; and finally, some of the pieces were soaked with pitch. The only reason to soak wood with pitch is to make a ship. Now the question is, which ship is it?

Gary: Yes?Arch: We looked all over for a plaque

that said S.S. Noah, but there wasn’t any. The scientists, however, gave us three options. They knew we had a ship, but how could you get a ship at 13,000 feet up the side of a mountain? Of course, the lab technicians were right up front: they weren’t Christians; didn’t believe the story of Noah’s flood; didn’t believe the Bible; but they said, “Let’s just say one option is Noah’s Ark. The second option is there are more than 70 religions that have the story of a worldwide flood with someone saving them from it. So it could be a dif-ferent ship, different religion, different time. But actually, the most probable thing was that the ship got beamed up there by space aliens, maybe the ones that built the pyramids.” Those are the options that they gave us!

The SamplesGary: Modern mythology. Well, Arch,

you’ve brought some samples, and I’m holding one here, which is a barnacle. Now, everybody’s heard of barnacles. They are the plague of the U.S. Navy, because they attach themselves to the outside of a ship’s hull and they grow a shell. Eventually, you can become so barnacle encrusted that your

ship begins to lose speed because of the drag. And it takes a while for a barnacle to attach itself and grow there, and when you found this petrified wooden ship, it had saltwater barnacles attached to it.

Arch: There was a big article in Iran’s national newspaper, The Persian Times, within two weeks after we got back, claim-ing these people as Texans, which I was, and because that’s where our President was from. These Texans claim to have found a ship on a mountain. Now, at that time, we never claimed how big it was. We just showed small pieces. They said, “We looked at their small pieces on the inter-net, and if that really turns out to be wood, it’s probably remains of a sheepherder’s cabin.” How did a sheepherder’s cabin get barnacles all over it?

Gary: The next item we have here is a piece of the petrified material that you say has a sea anemone and, by the way, it’s beautifully clear here. A sea anemone grows in saltwater.

Arch: Yes, and it has seashells, all on this same piece. We actually came back with many pieces that the scientists all agree contained saltwater sea anemones and saltwater seashells.

Look closely at the petrified wood sample above and observe several varieties of sea anemones embedded in the piece. This proves that the ship was in salt water for several months. Examples of anemones are shown in the two photos beneath.

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Asphalt PitchGary: Now, you may hear claims that

somebody found Noah’s Ark. It came through the news. All those photographs of a wooden cabin that somebody said was up on top of Mt. Ararat was a hoax. On the other hand, to find the petrified remains of a wooden ship at 13,000 feet — how did it get up there? And here’s an interesting thing. Between the timbers of this ship you found a material that looked like sand at first. Tell us about that.

Arch: Where the seams of the boards came together, you can see sand in all the seams. But, if you brush away the sand, it’s all pitch — just like an asphalt road. You’ve seen tar on a road where crews have put seals in; that’s exactly what it looked like. So, it was obviously remains of a ship.

Bingo! Animal DNA!Gary: Now, this brings us to something

else. I’m looking at a piece of animal waste. We need to talk about this for quite a while. This is a petrified something, and it has wood grain on one side. This piece appears to be a curved piece of petrified wood. And when you brought this back, you said that’s what you thought it was.

Arch: Actually, this is a piece that we al-most didn’t carry off the mountain, because everything we took off we had to smuggle through customs. We had this one big piece, but I just couldn’t put it down. We brought about 30 pieces off the mountain and de-cided that we were going to bring half of them back. So I ended up taking this piece. It looks like a chunk of wood.

Gary: It has a slight curve on it, mean-ing that it came from a very large round log-like chunk. Except it didn’t come from a log. Tell us what it really is.

Arch: This was among the second batch that we sent to the labs, because we thought it wasn’t that important. We sent the first batch of artifacts to five labs. To hear the results, we had the scientists in a confer-ence call on the phone from all five labs, with all of our fourteen climbers listening, while they told us what we had. And while they were, on one hand, making fun of us because we thought we had Noah’s Ark, on the other hand they were saying, “This stuff is really interesting. We’d like to look at more.” They charged us a lot of money the first time, but they said, “If you have any more pieces, we won’t charge you. We just want to look at them.” And that’s when we sent in this piece containing ani-mal DNA. And here’s the interesting thing. You can see they cut off one corner of it. Out of this, they took it apart particle by

particle. They found that this is petrified animal waste from the bottom of the ship. Well, this is all packed into a wedge that was taken out of the log and it took on the characteristics of the log; and that’s why it looks like a piece of wood. But it’s not. If you cut it open, there’s nothing in here but solid material, and it is all animal waste.

Gary: You might call it originally sort of a muck that precipitated down to the bottom of the hold; and then hardened af-ter it dried out; and then it became petri-fied. So, what is in that muck?

Arch: Well first of all, we have cat hairs of four different types of large cats. Many

people don’t understand that tigers are in India and Southeast China; lions are in Africa; they don’t normally live together. We found bird feathers that only exist in Africa. We found pieces of butterfly wings from butterflies that only live in South America. And we found pieces of plant material that only grows in the Southern Pacific islands. And this is in northern Iran, all in the same piece of rock. So, these ani-mals were not only in the same ship, but there’s an enormous amount of DNA there from many different animals.

Gary: Now, let’s face it. You find a petri-

The barnacle (above) attached itself to the hull of the ship, proving that this petrified pile of wood found at 13,125 feet above sea level atop Mount Suleiman, northwest of Tehran, was once a ship that floated on a saltwater ocean for several months.

Here is the most incredible proof that the ship carried animals from all over the world. Five U. S. labs examined the piece — all saying that it is petrified animal waste that contains hairs, feathers, DNA, etc., from animals of every continent on the planet — hair from tigers that roam the jungles of India, hair from lions that only live in Africa; and butterflies that live in South America, just to name a few.

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fied something that’s made of timbers that are coated with pitch. You find it at 13,000 feet on Mount Suleiman, and then you find a piece of petrified muck that is the com-bined waste of many different animals from many different climatic zones, and pretty soon you begin to draw conclusions.

Arch: Here’s the interesting thing. From Mt. Suleiman, you can go fifty miles in any direction and find the climate for any animal, because there’s a desert in one direction, there’s a tropical rain forest in another direction, there’s a plains area in another section — so every type of animal in the world could live within 50 miles of Mt. Suleiman.

Gary: Is it too early to make the as-sumption that this is a petrified piece of Noah’s Ark, or dare we say that?

Arch: We have petrified pieces of an ancient ship!

Gary: Of an ancient ship at 13,126 feet in Iran, and it has animal waste from many different types of animals that come from many different types of climatic zones, plus vegetation that’s not native to Iran?

Arch: After we had the first samples done, and because we had to send the five samples to all the different labs to go through it; a year later, we set up a confer-ence phone call. All of the climbers were on the phone, as well as all five labs. It was supposed to be a fifteen-minute phone call. An hour and fifteen minutes later, as they were describing everything that they found, they kept getting more excited. Remember, these are the guys who said, “We’re not Christians; we’re scientists.” Finally, after an hour and fifteen minutes, I said, “Okay guys, what is it that we did find?” And it went silent on the other end. And then one of the guys, I don’t know who, said, “Mr. Bonnema, we’ve been talking about this for months and we don’t see how it can be anything but Noah’s Ark, but don’t use our names.”

Gary: Now this is a commercial lab, I take it a very reputable lab? People who know what they’re doing? And they weren’t Christians?

Arch: Here’s another interesting thing. We had a call from Cambridge Univer-sity’s DNA lab. And the call went, “Mr. Bonnema, this is Dr. So-and-So from Cambridge University DNA lab. I’m not a Christian. I don’t believe the Bible. I don’t believe the story of Noah’s flood. How-ever, we just finished a DNA research of grapes. And the oldest grape vines in the world come from the same area where you found that ship.” In Genesis 9, Noah came off the Ark; he built an altar; we found the

altar; made a sacrifice; and the rainbow ap-peared. In verse 20, he planted a vineyard. Now, all of a sudden, Cambridge Univer-sity is saying, “Hey, that’s where the oldest grapevines are in the world — the same place that the Bible says that Noah planted a vineyard.”

Gary: The mother of all vineyards! Arch: Ten days later we got a call from

the U.S. DNA lab. These people were searching us out. “This is Dr. So-and-So from the U.S. DNA lab, and just thought you might find it interesting. I’m not a Bible believer; don’t believe in the story of Noah’s flood. However, we traced the DNA of horses, and the oldest horses in the world come from that same area in northern Iran where you found that ship.”

Gary: So they must have come off that ark. Wait a minute; we’re getting ready to say it here. Tell me what you told me ear-lier, because I think this is interesting. You go to public schools and you make this presentation and you can do it because of the way you present all this.

Arch: Well, obviously, we cannot make a claim that we have found Noah’s Ark. We don’t know. We have scientific proof that we found an enormous petrified ship at 13,126 feet up that mountain that has DNA from animals all over the world. So, when I give the talk I say, “Let me give you the evidence that we have, and then you decide what ship it is.” That way, I’m not making it a religious talk; it’s a scien-tific talk. School systems, even in the U.S., have allowed me to come speak because it’s not a religious talk.

Gary: Arch, let’s talk more about your experience. Now, you’re up there; you’re collecting these samples. You told me you actually saw what Noah must have seen. This is an interesting story to me because the Bible talks about the waters receding and Noah witnessing a particular phenom-enon.

Arch: In Genesis 8:5, it says, “As the waters receded, the tops of the mountains all came into view.” We’ve already dis-cussed that from Mt. Ararat in Turkey, there aren’t any other mountains. As we climbed this mountain (Mt. Suleiman), we went through a snowstorm. As we were set-ting up our camp; as the clouds started go-ing down — now if you’ve ever flown in a jet where all the clouds are even — they’re level. They’re not like cumulous clouds all piled up, they’re just level. That’s what the flood would have looked like. As the clouds went down the mountain, the tops of all these mountains came to view. In fact, we counted 16 peaks over 14,000 feet that can be seen from Mt. Suleiman.

Gary: The “mountains” — plural — of Ararat. Now folks, let me just take a mo-ment here and say that’s why it’s important to believe that the Bible is the divinely in-spired word of God, because the ‘s’ on the end of a word makes all the difference. A “mountain” is different from “mountains” plural. And the Bible says that the moun-tains appeared to Noah. I can just picture this in my mind. As the cloud receded, you can first see one peak, then another, then two more. It must have been phenomenal.

Arch: And we all commented about the same time as we’re watching this. “Look out here! This must be what Noah saw,” and I think God provided that for us to see.

Gary: That’s amazing. Now, what else would you like to tell us? To me, a saltwa-ter barnacle in a petrified wreck at 13,000 feet is fairly convincing. What else did you see that really struck you? The pitch, this material that you brought back — did you find any metal artifacts or anything that looked man made?

Arch: Well, the whole ship looked man made. I also want to say that we do not believe that Noah’s Ark had a V- shaped bottom, because the only purpose is to travel fast. To carry a lot of weight, Noah would have built it in the shape of a barge. The Bible’s statistics would make the ark approximately 450 feet long, approxi-mately 75 feet wide, and approximate-ly 45 feet high. And if it was a barge in shape, it would easily hold all the animals mentioned in the Bible. It is no longer in that shape today. According to the Iranian guide, the ship originally landed 2,000 feet further up — at 15,000 feet; because that’s where he saw it 50 years ago. Three of our guys went up the mountain and found the altar. In the year 2000, there was an enor-mous earthquake that killed 64,000 people in that region. That is when the ship slid down the mountain. It hit solid rock and started piling up on top of each other. So, today, it just looks like an enormous pile of debris. But all those huge sections of wall were obviously man made.

ConclusionArch: Recently, as I was coming through

the Dubai airport, I saw an English speak-ing Arab newspaper. On the front page was a big article that said, “We have just found the great Muslim prophet Noah’s ship.” Guess where? Same place we found this one. Only now, it wasn’t the biblical No-ah’s Ark. It was the Muslim Noah’s Ark! They believe that it’s Noah’s Ark also, but that Noah was a Muslim.

Gary: Thanks for sharing your adven-ture with us at Prophecy in the News. u

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