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National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471 Phone: 617-770-3000 • Fax: 617-770-0700 • www.nfpa.org MEMORANDUM TO: Technical Committee on Health Care Occupancies FROM: Kelly Carey, Project Administrator DATE: December 2, 2015 SUBJECT: NFPA 101 First Draft Technical Committee FINAL Ballot Results (A2017) According to the final ballot results, all ballot items received the necessary affirmative votes to pass ballot. 27 Members Eligible to Vote 2 Members Not Returned (E. Gleason, G. Szakats) 21 Members Voted Affirmative on All Revisions (w/ comment: M. Gencarelli, J. Rickard) 4 Members Voted Negative on one or more Revisions (K. Bush, G. Furdell, M. Gencarelli, D. Schmitt) 0 Members Abstained on one or more Revisions The attached report shows the number of affirmative, negative, and abstaining votes as well as the explanation of the vote for each revision. To pass ballot, each revision requires: (1) a simple majority of those eligible to vote and (2) an affirmative vote of 2 /3 of ballots returned. See Sections 3.3.4.3.(c) and 4.3.10.1 of the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards.

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National Fire Protection Association

1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471

Phone: 617-770-3000 • Fax: 617-770-0700 • www.nfpa.org

M E M O R A N D U M

TO: Technical Committee on Health Care Occupancies

FROM: Kelly Carey, Project Administrator

DATE: December 2, 2015

SUBJECT: NFPA 101 First Draft Technical Committee FINAL Ballot Results (A2017)

According to the final ballot results, all ballot items received the necessary affirmative votes to pass

ballot.

27 Members Eligible to Vote

2 Members Not Returned (E. Gleason, G. Szakats)

21 Members Voted Affirmative on All Revisions (w/ comment: M. Gencarelli, J. Rickard)

4 Members Voted Negative on one or more Revisions (K. Bush, G. Furdell, M. Gencarelli,

D. Schmitt)

0 Members Abstained on one or more Revisions

The attached report shows the number of affirmative, negative, and abstaining votes as well as the

explanation of the vote for each revision.

To pass ballot, each revision requires: (1) a simple majority of those eligible to vote and (2) an

affirmative vote of 2/3 of ballots returned. See Sections 3.3.4.3.(c) and 4.3.10.1 of the Regulations

Governing the Development of NFPA Standards.

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Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 24

Affirmative with Comment 1

Michael O. Gencarelli I do not see any changes in the FR - shouldn't the "emergency" and "urgent"

be deleted?

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

FR-3503, Section No. 18.2.2.2.11.1, See FR-3503

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3502, Section No. 18.2.2.2.10, See FR-3502

NFPA 101 - TC ON HEALTH CARE OCCUPANCIES

FIRST DRAFT BALLOT - FINAL RESULTS

FR-3501, Section No. 3.3.190.1, See FR-3501

Total Voted : 25

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Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 22

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 3

Kenneth E. Bush There is still insufficient justification to almost double the permitted size of smoke

compartments in hospitals. As was previously stated, the increased size is based upon

a correlation to travel distance which is measured by a different means than the

measurement of overall area of the smoke compartment. Even though the hospital

design may be configured for single patient room occupancy, there is no guarantee

that hospital operations will limit these rooms to a single patient. Although not

conclusive, the preliminary results of recent studies on evacuation of larger smoke

compartments indicate that the evacuation of these larger compartments requires

increased times, and is dependent upon a number of factors, such as the time of day;

staff to patient ratios; and the number, location, and capabilities of both patients and

staff, which are not clearly defined or specified by current Code provisions. In

addition, the capabilities to evacuate patients undergoing treatment in non-sleeping

areas may require additional assistance and time commensurate with patients in

sleeping areas. There is likewise, no specification or guarantee of staff to be

immediately available for patient assistance in these areas. Before this provision

moves forward, further study should be completed to provide appropriate

justification for the actual increased sizes of these compartments in order to maintain

an acceptable level of safety of all building occupants.

FR-3507, Section No. 18.3.7.1, See FR-3507

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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Gary Furdell The proposal to increase from 22,500 to 40,000 sq. ft. was previously defeated on the

floor and has returned with some changes in this cycle. As discussed at the first draft

meeting the basis presented is to be in line with the most recent FGI models. The

models presented, illustrated sleeping compartments designed as single occupancy.

The disagreement discussed was based on sleeping compartments. Although the

design would have single occupant rooms, the actual number of patients is not

limited. A straw vote to limit the 40,000 sq. ft. sleeping compartment to 36 patients

failed. If the FGI design is the reason for the 40,000 sq.ft. sleeping compartment then

there should not be opposition to limiting the patient occupants to 36. The argument

that fire sprinkler protection and trained staff limit the need for these barriers does

not weigh when factoring the failure of active fire protection i.e. human factors of the

staff, and the fire sprinkler systems dependence on the municipal water system. This

coupled with the compartment size nearly doubling which will increase the travel

distance out of the compartment of origin, and the amount of time that medically

compromised patients being not capable of self preservation having a longer time

exposure to a hostile environment. Passive fire protection is all that is left when active

fire protection fails. Maintaining the number of barriers does not actually change the

design. The smoke doors are held open with magnetic hold open devices. The only

design change is for Hospital to have less barriers to maintain. The proposal does not

substantiate the need to decrease the level of protection. The sleeping compartment

should remain 22,500 sq.ft. or the smoke compartment be limited in patient numbers

to prevent a higher level of risk to a higher number of patients.

Dennis L. Schmitt With a proposed increase in Hospital sleeping compartments from 22,500sf

to 40,000sf as outlined in 18.3.7.1 (3)(b) and having an occupant load of up to

50 or more persons the area nursing staff will have to cover during an

emergency is excessive. Nursing staff will be required to cover a larger area

and may be limited on visual control of the unit due to this proposed size

increase. The sleeping room smoke compartment should remain at 22,500sf.

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3509, Section No. 19.1.6.2, See FR-3509

Total Voted : 25

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Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 22

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 3

Kenneth E. Bush There is still insufficient justification to almost double the permitted size of smoke

compartments in hospitals. As was previously stated, the increased size is based upon

a correlation to travel distance which is measured by a different means than the

measurement of overall area of the smoke compartment. Even though the hospital

design may be configured for single patient room occupancy, there is no guarantee

that hospital operations will limit these rooms to a single patient. Although not

conclusive, the preliminary results of recent studies on evacuation of larger smoke

compartments indicate that the evacuation of these larger compartments requires

increased times, and is dependent upon a number of factors, such as the time of day;

staff to patient ratios; and the number, location, and capabilities of both patients and

staff, which are not clearly defined or specified by current Code provisions. In

addition, the capabilities to evacuate patients undergoing treatment in non-sleeping

areas may require additional assistance and time commensurate with patients in

sleeping areas. There is likewise, no specification or guarantee of staff to be

immediately available for patient assistance in these areas. Before this provision

moves forward, further study should be completed to provide appropriate

justification for the actual increased sizes of these compartments in order to maintain

an acceptable level of safety of all building occupants.

FR-3508, Section No. 19.3.7.1, See FR-3508

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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Gary Furdell The proposal to increase from 22,500 to 40,000 sq. ft. was previously defeated on the

floor and has returned with some changes in this cycle. As discussed at the first draft

meeting the basis presented is to be in line with the most recent FGI models. The

models presented, illustrated sleeping compartments designed as single occupancy.

The disagreement discussed was based on sleeping compartments. Although the

design would have single occupant rooms, the actual number of patients is not

limited. A straw vote to limit the 40,000 sq. ft. sleeping compartment to 36 patients

failed. If the FGI design is the reason for the 40,000 sq.ft. sleeping compartment then

there should not be opposition to limiting the patient occupants to 36. The argument

that fire sprinkler protection and trained staff limit the need for these barriers does

not weigh when factoring the failure of active fire protection i.e. human factors of the

staff, and the fire sprinkler systems dependence on the municipal water system. This

coupled with the compartment size nearly doubling which will increase the travel

distance out of the compartment of origin, and the amount of time that medically

compromised patients being not capable of self preservation having a longer time

exposure to a hostile environment. Passive fire protection is all that is left when active

fire protection fails. Maintaining the number of barriers does not actually change the

design. The smoke doors are held open with magnetic hold open devices. The only

design change is for Hospital to have less barriers to maintain. The proposal does not

substantiate the need to decrease the level of protection. The sleeping compartment

should remain 22,500 sq.ft. or the smoke compartment be limited in patient numbers

to prevent a higher level of risk to a higher number of patients.

Dennis L. Schmitt With a proposed increase in Hospital sleeping compartments from 22,500sf

to 40,000sf as outlined in 19.3.7.1 (1)(b) and having an occupant load of 30

patients the area nursing staff will have to cover during an emergency is

excessive. Nursing staff will be required to cover a larger area and may be

limited on visual control of the unit due to this proposed size increase. The

sleeping room smoke compartment should remain at 22,500sf.

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

FR-3514, New Section after 20.2.2.2.5, See FR-3514

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

FR-3546, Section No. 18.1.1.1.9, See FR-3546

FR-3551, New Section after 3.3.242, See FR-3551

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3515, New Section after 21.2.2.2.5, See FR-3515

Total Voted : 25

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Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 24

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 1

Michael O. Gencarelli I disagree that this statement is confusing. It has helped me to properly

classify an occupancy more times than I remember. If this is removed, how

will we determine the difference between a bed for sleeping accommodation

from a bed in an ambulatory occupancy?

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

FR-3556, Section No. 18.1.6.6, See FR-3556

Total Voted : 25

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3552, Section No. 18.1.4.2, See FR-3552

Total Voted : 25

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Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 24

Affirmative with Comment 1

FR-3519, Sections 18.2.3.4, 18.2.3.5, See FR-3519

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3504, Section No. 18.2.2.2.11 [Excluding any Sub-Sections], See FR-3504

FR-3511, Section No. 18.2.2.2.5.2, See FR-3511

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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John A. Rickard The reference in 18.2.3.4(9)(f) should be to 18.2.3.4(9)(e), not 18.2.3.4(6)(e).

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 23

Affirmative with Comment 1

John A. Rickard The TC vote included the correction of the typo in the spelling of "louvre"

(which should be "louver."

Negative 1

Michael O. Gencarelli This makes no sense – if a space is physically separated from the corridor by

walls and doors why would we consider it “open to the corridor”? If others

have issue with the requirements for corridor doors and walls it should be

addressed in other areas of the code.

Abstain 0

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3558, Section No. 18.3.6.1, See FR-3558

FR-3539, Section No. 18.2.4.4, See FR-3539

Total Voted : 25

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3512, Section No. 18.7.5.7.1, See FR-3512

FR-3560, New Section after 18.5.1.3, See FR-3560

Total Voted : 25

FR-3534, Section No. 18.3.6.2.1, See FR-3534

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 24

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 1

Michael O. Gencarelli I disagree that this statement is confusing. It has helped me to properly

classify an occupancy more times than I remember. If this is removed, how

will we determine the difference between a bed for sleeping accommodation

from a bed in an ambulatory occupancy?

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3553, Section No. 19.1.4.2, See FR-3553

Total Voted : 25

FR-3547, Section No. 19.1.1.1.9, See FR-3547

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

FR-3505, Section No. 19.2.2.2.11, See FR-3505

Total Voted : 25

FR-3510, Section No. 19.2.2.2.5.2, See FR-3510

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3557, Section No. 19.1.6.6, See FR-3557

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Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 24

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 1

Michael O. Gencarelli This makes no sense – if a space is physically separated from the corridor by

walls and doors why would we consider it “open to the corridor”? If others

have issue with the requirements for corridor doors and walls it should be

addressed in other areas of the code.

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

FR-3518, Section No. 19.4.2, See FR-3518

FR-3559, Section No. 19.3.6.1, See FR-3559

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3520, Section No. 19.2.3.4, See FR-3520

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Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

FR-3513, Section No. 19.7.5.7.1, See FR-3513

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3561, New Section after 19.5.1.2, See FR-3561

Total Voted : 25

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Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 24

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 1

FR-3540, Section No. 20.3.7, See FR-3540

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3562, Section No. 20.2.4, See FR-3562

FR-3554, Section No. 20.1.4.2, See FR-3554

Total Voted : 25

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Kenneth E. Bush There is still insufficient justification to almost double the permitted size of smoke

compartments in these facilities. As was previously stated, the increased size is based

upon a correlation to travel distance which is measured by a different means than the

measurement of the overall area of the smoke compartment. Although not

conclusive, the preliminary results of recent studies on evacuation of larger smoke

compartments indicate that the evacuation of these larger compartments requires

increased times, and is dependent upon a number of factors, such as the time of day;

staff to patient ratios; and the number, location, and capabilities of both patients and

staff, which are not clearly defined or specified by current Code provisions. In

addition, the capabilities to evacuate patients undergoing treatment may require

additional assistance and time. There is likewise, no specification or guarantee of staff

to be immediately available for patient assistance. Before this provision moves

forward, further study should be completed to provide appropriate justification for

the actual increased sizes of these compartments in order to maintain an acceptable

level of safety of all building occupants.

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3555, Section No. 21.1.4.2, See FR-3555

FR-3516, Section No. 20.7.5.5.1, See FR-3516

Total Voted : 25

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 24

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 1

FR-3541, Section No. 21.3.7.2, See FR-3541

FR-3563, Section No. 21.2.4, See FR-3563

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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Kenneth E. Bush There is still insufficient justification to almost double the permitted size of smoke

compartments in these facilities. As was previously stated, the increased size is based

upon a correlation to travel distance which is measured by a different means than the

measurement of the overall area of the smoke compartment. Although not

conclusive, the preliminary results of recent studies on evacuation of larger smoke

compartments indicate that the evacuation of these larger compartments requires

increased times, and is dependent upon a number of factors, such as the time of day;

staff to patient ratios; and the number, location, and capabilities of both patients and

staff, which are not clearly defined or specified by current Code provisions. In

addition, the capabilities to evacuate patients undergoing treatment may require

additional assistance and time. There is likewise, no specification or guarantee of staff

to be immediately available for patient assistance. Before this provision moves

forward, further study should be completed to provide appropriate justification for

the actual increased sizes of these compartments in order to maintain an acceptable

level of safety of all building occupants.

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 24

FR-3548, Section No. A.18.1.3.4, See FR-3548

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3517, Section No. 21.7.5.5.1, See FR-3517

Total Voted : 25

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Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 1

Michael O. Gencarelli I disagree that this statement is confusing. It has helped me to properly

classify an occupancy more times than I remember. If this is removed, how

will we determine the difference between a bed for “sleeping

accommodation” from a bed in an ambulatory occupancy?

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 24

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 1

Michael O. Gencarelli I disagree that this statement is confusing. It has helped me to properly

classify an occupancy more times than I remember. If this is removed, how

will we determine the difference between a bed for “sleeping

accommodation” from a bed in an ambulatory occupancy?

Abstain 0

Eligible to Vote: 27

Not Returned : 2

Geza Szakats,Eric Gleason

Vote Selection Votes Comments

Affirmative 25

Affirmative with Comment 0

Negative 0

Abstain 0

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

FR-3533, Section No. A.19.3.6.2.4, See FR-3533

FR-3549, Section No. A.19.1.3.4, See FR-3549

Total Voted : 25

Total Voted : 25

For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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For Simple majority and also two-third majority election; the simple affirmative votes needed are 14 and the two-

third affirmative votes needed are 17

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