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First & Calvary Presbyterian
Church
Congregational Forum with
Denomination Committee
“Excuse me, in this house we do not use that kind of language!”
“Excuse me, in this house we do not use that kind of language!”
“That is not the kind
humor we bring to our dinner
table”
“You know the rules here, there is no playing outside or inside until these dishes are washed and put away”
REFORMED:
To be “Reformed” means several things. Historically, it means that we trace our roots to the Reformation,
when John Calvin and others led the movement to reform the Church
according to Scripture. Theologically, it means belief in the absolute
sovereignty of God and that the highest good is God’s glory.
The historical and theological heritage is often expressed in the “solas” of
the Reformation. These five theological truths were consistent across the reformed movement.
God’s grace alone as the only way to be reconciled to God, faith alone is the only means of receiving God’s
grace, Christ alone as the ground of God’s saving grace,
Scripture alone as the only infallible authority for belief and God’s glory
alone as the ultimate purpose for the lives of all people.
Are First and Calvary and PCUSA in theological sync
with each other?
Who We Are
Which of the following best expresses your beliefs
about God?
61% agree
God is Trinity: Father/Son in heaven; Holy Spirit among us on earth.
Which of the following best expresses your beliefs
about the Bible?
61% agree
The Bible is the inspired Word of God and its moral teachings are
true and clear, even if the writings contain some human
error.
In the last 5 years, I believe the size of the
congregation has increased.
Strongly Disagree 51%
First & Calvary is committed to evangelism and reaching out to the
unchurched.
Agree 33%
Neutral 30%
Disagree Somewhat 30%
Which of the following best expresses your beliefs
about sin and salvation?
80%
Although all people are sinful, they can be saved by grace
through faith in the atoning work of Jesus Christ.
I think the Presbyterian Church (USA) is making a positive witness for Christ in this
country and around the world.
Agree 44%
Neutral 17%
Disagree 39%
Who Is PCUSA?
“In Christ, by the power of the Spirit, God unites with a person through baptism regardless of
race, ethnicity, age, sex, disability, geography, or
theological conviction. There is therefore no place in the life of the Church for discrimination against any person.” (BO F-
1.0403)
“Salvation is found in no one else, for there
is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved…”(Acts 4:12) “…there is one
God, and one mediator between
God and man, the man Christ Jesus” (I Tim
2:5)
“A God without wrath brought men without
sin into a kingdom without judgment
through the ministrations of a Christ without a
cross.”
Richard Niebuhr
In 1965 there were 4.2 million members. In 2010,
there were 2 million members. By 2014 there were 1.7
million members of PCUSA.
Research Services, PCUSA
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2010
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Will PCUSA be an asset or a liability for First and
Calvary’s future?
Option #1: Stay with PCUSA with no changes to the present
relationshipPros:
-- no litigation -- no expenditure ($$$)
-- no expenditure of time and energy (effort) -- F&C’s “appearance” – an image of all-inclusiveness
Cons:
-- loss of membership -- theologically divisive -- church split (splintering) -- loss of financial support -- loss of community influence and mission support -- no detailed tenets of beliefs
Option #1: Stay with PCUSA with no changes to the present
relationship
Pros:
-- financial support from PCUSA withheld
-- stay and attempt to reform PCUSA
Option #2: Stay with PCUSA with a new financial support agreement which is a
response to those in our congregation who do not want their tithes to support PCUSA
“agendas”
Cons: -- attempting to reform PCUSA could likely become an ongoing mission of time and energy and we would lose our true focus (great commission/ mission/worship/fellowship)
-- no detailed tenants of faith
Option #2: Stay with PCUSA with a new financial support agreement which is a
response to those in our congregation who do not want their tithes to support PCUSA
“agendas”
-- can we agree on what reform is? Is it achievable?
Pros: -- control of our own destiny
-- control of our decision making
Option #3: Affiliate with ECO or EPC
-- property ownership-- follow sound reformed theology
-- clear tenets of faith-- gain members-- control of tithes and offerings
Cons: -- doctrinal fine points
-- litigation risks
Option #3: Affiliate with ECO or EPC
-- effort and energy spent
-- loss of members and their financial support-- property ownership rights