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EYTalking 22 nd January 2014Co-hosted by Department for Education

Created by Virtual Support UK Ltd

EYTalking @EYTalkingWelcome Olivia McLeod, the Director of Childcare and Early Years at the @educationgovuk#EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@EYTalking @educationgovuk @Nick_at_Parenta Welcome all EY Tweeps

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@nurserysarah @EYTalking @educationgovuk @Nick_at_Parenta hello everyone(((waves))) and well done @LauraChildcare for setting this up.

Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico

Hi Olivia @EYTalking @educationgovuk good to have you with us :-)

EYTalking @EYTalkingHi Olivia please can you share your questions @educationgovuk #EYTalking

EYTalking @EYTalkingFolks please share your thoughts, questions & comments. #EYTalking

Janeevans @janeparenting@EYTalking #earlyyrears needs to have solid understanding of effects of early #traumasuch as #domesticabuse on #development & safeguarding?

DfE @educationgovukWelcome to all followers of #EYTalking. Looking forward to a great discussion!pic.twitter.com/skrMMLPLQh

Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs@educationgovuk So, where shall we start? #EYTalking

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@courteneyccs @educationgovuk What are your thoughts on #2yo in schools Is that thebest place for them? #eytalking

DfE @educationgovuk@signoramac We're working wtih 49 schools on this, early signs interesting and positive!#EYTalking

Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs@signoramac @educationgovuk Parents need options. freedom of choice, & accessibilitybut do schools have the #EY Skills - Arguably not

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@educationgovuk We are aware of that Why you think is school best for these very youngchildren? #eytalking

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@courteneyccs @signoramac @educationgovuk don't understand why you want to work topdown and not support the sector you have #EYTalking


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'EASY' E YFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERYRT @educationgovuk: @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelongoutcomes #EYTalking

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk If looking for best practice, why did you totally disregard the NutbrownReview??

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@courteneyccs @nurserysarah @educationgovuk But the funding will never present itself ifthe model isn't sustainable! #EYtalking

Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@SarahFilPortico @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs @PorticoNicole ours has had to ask usfor help and practitioner as they are so short staffed!!

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk And why does Liz Truss feel need to go to France or Singapore to look forgood practice? Listen to your own sector first!

Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum@laralexus @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk Because in EYsettings concentrate on EY & have specialist staff #EYtalking

DfE @educationgovuk@nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line.#EYTalking more news soon

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@educationgovuk purpose built provision been closed down, not used to full potential & nowfunding to build in schools #EYTalking

Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPorticoExactly @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk - staff training, resources,cover for senco, CP meetings.

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk #EYTalking Appreciate localism is the current fashion but LAs need morethan encouragement to pass on funding in EYE

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk #EYTalking Lots of research since onimpact of EYPs takes time to gather evidence, show impact

Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@SarahFilPortico @signoramac @educationgovuk we just aren't being invested in! Frontlineis in need of funding and support from those above

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie


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@educationgovuk @nurserysarah #EYTalking Good to hear, but then you need to listen to

the results (Nutbrown, again) or else lowers moraleJane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVIsettings do

DfE @educationgovuk@CityCallingXtra Totally agree, we are looking at what business advice is available#EYTalking

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk #EYtalking Agreed if you need support, there may be an opportunity forus to work together on http://www.citycalling.com

Lupo @laralexus@haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk so dowe!

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get moremoney to front line. #EYTalking more news soonMW PROPOSALS?

Lupo @laralexus@haslemeremuseum #EYTalking @educationgovuk plus we were pre and post inspectedto ensure appropriate. Same ofsted framework as settings.

Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs@CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable businessimpacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business!

EYTalking @EYTalking1st question from @educationgovuk #EYTalking how to encourage schools to offer moreEarly Years

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@EYTalking Why is there so much emphasis on schools providing for 2 yos - why not PVIs?

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@EYTalking @educationgovuk we offer child are from 2year olds the impact is fantastic

EYTalking @EYTalking@EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk what type of setting are you? #EYTalking

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@EYTalking #eytalking - are there any schools listening/talking about this subject tonight? Idon't think schools should be considering...

Esther O'Con nor @EstherOConnor5

@EYTalking @educationgovuk large primary school 2yr olds to yr 6Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5


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@EYTalking @educationgovuk the language skills develop at a faster pace and continuity is

watablishedFamilyChildcareTrust @FamChildTrust@EYTalking @educationgovuk Surely, with pressure on places, schools are only a smallpart of solution. Bring in high quality childminders

EYTalking @EYTalkingand out-of-school childcare, including in partnership with PVI providers 2/2

Janeev ans @janeparenting@EYTalking #earlyyrears needs to have solid understanding of effects of early #traumasuch as #domesticabuse on #development & safeguarding

DfE @educationgovukHi everyone, nice to be here! #EYTalking

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk Good to have you!

Edward Moss @steddyeddy@educationgovuk ..... and nice to have you along - thanks for joining us all

Claire Lowery @clairewiththere@educationgovuk thanks for stopping by :) #eytalking

DfE @educationgovukWhat do we think about the best ways to get schools more involved with the early years?

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk @EYTalking Schools need to encourage part time classes for both parentand child #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@CityCallingXtra Agreed - schools need to respond to families needs #EYTalking

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking Should schools be involved in EY? They have no training, noexperience, wrong equipment and diff attitude

City Ca lling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYTalking Schools are a place to learn and this shouldnever be forgotten. Keep it simple.

Sue Cowley @Sue_CowleyCan I ask what roles the @educationgovuk feels different providers can play within thesector and what support each should get? #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@Sue_Cowley really keen to see a wide range of providers so parents have lots of choice#EYTalking


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Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk Parental choice v important, but funding rates for ALL settings includingschools should be fair and adequate for quality

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@EYTalking Why is there so much emphasis on schools providing for 2 yos - why not PVIs?

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@nurserysarah @EYTalking @educationgovuk @Nick_at_Parenta hello everyone(((waves))) and well done @LauraChildcare for setting this up.

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5

@EYTalking @educationgovuk we offer child are from 2year olds the impact is fantastic


Es ther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@EYTalking @educationgovuk large primary school 2yr olds to yr 6

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@EYTalking @educationgovuk the language skills develop at a faster pace and continuity iswatablished


Simona McKenzie @signoramac@courteneyccs @educationgovuk What are your thoughts on #2yo in schools Is that thebest place for them? #eytalking

DfE @educationgovuk@signoramac We're working wtih 49 schools on this, early signs interesting and positive!#EYTalking


Simona McKenzie @signoramac@educationgovuk We are aware of that Why you think is school best for these very youngchildren? #eytalking


DfE @educationgovuk@signoramac a range of support for all kinds of providers is there, from Ofsted to LAs. Keything is they have support needed #EYTalking


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Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk @trussliz comments in Sunday papers that schools could offer quality for2yos because of graduate leaders. So do PVIs!

Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs@signoramac @educationgovuk Been approached by numerous schools over the past fewyears seeking to outsource #EY provision #SkillShortage

Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be morebeneficial? #EYTalking

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@educationgovuk @signoramac my sense is that both childminders and voluntary runsettings are under supported at the moment. #EYTalking

'EASY' EYFS SOF TWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providerswould be more beneficial? #EYTalking ABSOLUTELY

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk childminders are the closest you canget to a 'home' environment and great value for money.

DfE @educationgovuk@signoramac Not better, but as good? Evidence shows graduate led provision is important.#EYTalking. Choice is for parents to make.

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk If funding was higher many more providers wouldoffer places especially #CMs #sustainability #EYTalking

Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum@signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #eytalking 2yo in schools? Should 4yo bein school would be my question, definitely not 2yo

Heather Will iams @MissHWilliamsxx@Sue_Cowley @signoramac @educationgovuk completely agree!

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@educationgovuk @signoramac the evidence you refer to is for older children + funding isvery different #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@MissHWilliamsxx We're incentivising quality provision, eg two year old entitlement is onlyfor good/outstanding providers #EYTalking

Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley We should be helping parents understand what is in thechild's best interests


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Lupo @laralexus@signoramac @EYTalking @courteneyccs @educationgovuk ours are very happy andprogressing extremely well developmentally.

James Williams @edujdw@educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley except when they overwhelmingly vote againstacademisation. Then it's just tough luck, we academise anyway.

Lupo @laralexus@haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk why?

DfE @educationgovuk

@EYFS_lancs Childrens centres are an option but main role is to support families andsignpost to childcare #EYTalking

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking if graduate led important, why not subsidise it or have bettercareer options when graduates leave?

Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPorticoOur children's centre can't even signpost to us and we provide daycare inside !!!!@educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs #eytalking @PorticoNicole

Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper@chris_barnham @educationgovuk thanks Chris. Good to see it is EY specific not randomlike Marine Zoology #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking




Haslemere Museu m @haslemeremuseum@laralexus @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk Because in EYsettings concentrate on EY & have specialist staff #EYtalking

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs


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@educationgovuk purpose built provision been closed down, not used to full potential & now

funding to build in schools #EYTalkingSarah Fillingham @SarahFilPortico

Exactly @MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk - staff training, resources,cover for senco, CP meetings.


Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@SarahFilPortico @signoramac @educationgovuk we just aren't being invested in! Frontline

is in need of funding and support from those above



Janeevans @janeparenting#EYtalking My article Recognising signs of #trauma in #earlyyears #children for@SafeguardingOE out Thursday Should come under #safeguarding

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@EYTalking #eytalking - are there any schools listening/talking about this subject tonight? Idon't think schools should be considering...

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@EYTalking @educationgovuk large primary school 2yr olds to yr 6

FamilyChildcar eTrust @FamChildTrust@EYTalking @educationgovuk Surely, with pressure on places, schools are only a smallpart of solution. Bring in high quality childminders

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk @EYTalking Schools need to encourage part time classes for both parentand child #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@CityCallingXtra Agreed - schools need to respond to families needs #EYTalking

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYtalking The early years are the most important forlearning. Here we learn the fundamentals to everything!

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY


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@CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYtalking the long term result is what

should be considered ..... making children fit IS...Est her O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@EYTalking @educationgovuk the language skills develop at a faster pace and continuity iswatablished

EYTalking @EYTalkingfolks please can you remember to use the hash tag - #EYTalking - Thanks@educationgovuk

Sarah Fill ingham @SarahFilPorticoI'd like to ask why it is felt that schools are worthy of a 10,000 grant for having 2 yr olds -

@courteneyccs @educationgovuk #EYTalking

Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPorticoWhen as a PVI provider we cannot even dream of this kind of financial support@courteneyccs @educationgovuk #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@SarahFilPortico so learning can be shared - here's our reasoning: http://ow.ly/sMKL6#EYTalking

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking 'Many autho rities have placed childrens centres at the heartof their two-year-old programme' p.35 so Y closing?

DfE @educationgovuk@SarahFilPortico we know it's challenging but are making changes to take money to frontline #EYTalking

Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk @SarahFilPortico Where might I access this in my PVI setting?

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk I see challenge of getting funding to front line, but this must be sortedbefore more funding rolled out #EYTalking

Sara h Fillingham @SarahFilPorticoSupporting other schools - yes @educationgovuk but developing resources&staff training -that'd be nice. feels like we are not valued to me

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@nurserysarah @educationgovuk More funding to #frontline is now #rhetoric it is nothappening #EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah

@signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LAknows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat duty


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City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra

@nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYtalking Funding is secondary to a sustainablebusiness plan. This is essential to gain future funding!

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@SarahFilPortico @courteneyccs @educationgovuk No but funding that covers costs andreward us would be effective #EYTalking

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@nurserysarah @educationgovuk Many #LAs refuse to up funding It has been the same foryears #EYTalking


How about our LA schools forum @PorticoNicole @signoramac @nurserysarah@educationgovuk do early years issues get listened too? #EYTalking

Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs@CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk I disagree. Long term sustainablebusiness could falter due to lack of FEF funding #Monopsony




Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk @nurserysarah #EYTalking Good to hear, but then you need to listen tothe results (Nutbrown, again) or else lowers morale

Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVIsettings do





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Courteney Donalds on @courteneyccs@CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable businessimpacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business!



DfE @educationgovuk@Sue_Cowley Getting more money to the front line e.g childminders can now access freeentitlement money #EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk Will primary school teachers be required to study additional module to'teach' 2 yos? hope the playing field will be level?

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@educationgovuk that doesn't answer the question - the EY sector should be seen as aseparate phase because it is #EYTalking

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley Some #LAs are still insisting on extra #conditions for CMs#EYtalking

Suzanne @suedozz@signoramac @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley take them to task. We have in Liverpool.#EYTalking


Rea @rea34105@EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley why was 'but' inserted? Soundslike you're saying current EY provision is lacking on some way




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Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley

@educationgovuk that doesn't answer the question - the EY sector should be seen as aseparate phase because it is #EYTalking



DfE @educationgovuk

@Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelong outcomes #EYTalking

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERYRT @educationgovuk: @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelongoutcomes #EYTalking


DfE @educationgovuk@signoramac a range of support for all kinds of providers is there, from Ofsted to LAs. Keything is they have support needed #EYTalking


Nick Hague @educationbear@Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac Absolutely - sig pressure on childminders inparticular

DfE @educationgovuk@Sue_Cowley We agree, we want to give parents choice #EYTalking



Simona McKenzie @signoramac@educationgovuk We are aware of that Why you think is school best for these very young

children? #eytalkingHeather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx


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@signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be more

beneficial? #EYTalkingEASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providerswould be more beneficial? #EYTalking ABSOLUTELY


DfE @educationgovuk@signoramac Not better, but as good? Evidence shows graduate led provision is important.

#EYTalking. Choice is for parents to make.


Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@Sue_Cowley @signoramac @educationgovuk completely agree!

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@educationgovuk @signoramac the evidence you refer to is for older children + funding isvery different #EYTalking


Simona McKenzie @signoramac@MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk How will schools provide 8-6pm? #wraparoundcare isnot possibly going to be done by teachers? #EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk If chancellor has his way & min wage rises to 7 per hr, will funding for 2yos rise in line with this? #qualitycosts

Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@educationgovuk my setting has the 2yr funding but we need the support and funds to keepup the quality care for them. #EYTalking

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@educationgovuk @MissHWilliamsxx But the funding is far too low to sustain us #EYTalking

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@educationgovuk Was Children's Centres not discuss an an option for delivery? Many

closing down or no longer have childcare? #EYTalkingHeather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx


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@signoramac @educationgovuk that 2yrs funding doesn't go far!! #EYTalking

Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper@educationgovuk @signoramac link to evidence on impact of graduate led provision in EYwould be helpful thanks. #eytalking

chris barnham @chris_barnham@JeniHooper @educationgovuk link not to hand, but google Sylva et al, Effective provisionof pre-school for evidence grad ldrshp #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@EYFS_lancs Childrens centres are an option but main role is to support families andsignpost to childcare #EYTalking

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking if graduate led important, why not subsidise it or have bettercareer options when graduates leave?

Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPorticoOur children's centre can't even signpost to us and we provide daycare inside !!!!@educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs #eytalking @PorticoNicole







Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie

@JeniHooper @chris_barnham @educationgovuk #EYTalking Lots of research since onimpact of EYPs takes time to gather evidence, show impact


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Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx

@SarahFilPortico @signoramac @educationgovuk we just aren't being invested in! Frontlineis in need of funding and support from those above

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@educationgovuk link with PVI's close to schools to see if they would like to extend theirprovision #EYTalking

Kathy Brod ie @kathybrodie#EYTalking Can you give reassurance that Early Years Teacher (EYP) will continue? Will itbe equivalent to QTS in pay & conditions?

Jo Newland @JoNewland

@kathybrodie I think there should be set pay banding for levels of qualification. Peoplespend years in Uni to remain on the same pay.....

Jo Newland @JoNewland@kathybrodie ..... It's no wonder all of the talented people leave private nurseries

Amii Spark @faitaveclecoeur@kathybrodie Due to that Q I decided to do Montessori teaching diploma, specialist and wellviewed world wide without politics

DfE @educationgovuk@kathybrodie EYP are critical, that's why we recruited 25% more last year #EYTalking

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking Good to hear, but financial support for CPD withdrawn, nosupport for networks, lack of longterm strategy

Janeevans @janeparenting@educationgovuk #EYTalking Do EYP have robust training in #attachment, early #braindevelopment & effects of #trauma?

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@janeparenting @educationgovuk can't speak for others but I do! :) #EYTalking

Janeevans @janeparenting@EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk That's great to hear I am not sure that its widespread?

Rhiannon McC arthy @Rhi_McC@janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk University of South Wales Caerleoncampus teach the above! EY is a big aspect in most jobs

Janeevans @janeparenting@Rhi_McC @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk Great! #attachment #brain development#trauma effects should be foundation of #earlyyears #EYTalking

Jo Newland @JoNewland@janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk out company runs an EYP network wherethey teach these things but not everyone is as lucky


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Janeevans @janeparenting@JoNewland @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk fantastic to hear :0)

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@educationgovuk need to understand that EY setting is not the same as school (I haveworked in both, a clear difference) #EYTalkin

Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum @Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk surely a goodreason for not sending kids to school at just 4yrs

Vicky @Llamagretch@Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk our schl has nursery. Teachers can be & are moved

anywhere between N & yr 6. >

Vicky @Llamagretch@Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk > a move to nursery is always the biggest learning curve.

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@educationgovuk: What do we think about the best ways to get schools more involved withthe early years? #EYTalking

Emma Harris @lilcaterpillarsIf the aim is to increase the no. of cms - what calibre of cm is being sought? or is quantitymore important? #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@lilcaterpillars quality is key, role of CMA is to strengthen quality assurance #EYTalking

Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providers would be morebeneficial? #EYTalking

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@MissHWilliamsxx @signoramac @educationgovuk surely investing in quality providerswould be more beneficial? #EYTalking ABSOLUTELY



Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@Sue_Cowley @signoramac @educationgovuk completely agree!



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Simona McKenzie @signoramac@MissHWilliamsxx @educationgovuk How will schools provide 8-6pm? #wraparoundcare isnot possibly going to be done by teachers? #EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk If chancellor has his way & min wage rises to 7 per hr, will funding for 2yos rise in line with this? #qualitycosts

Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@educationgovuk my setting has the 2yr funding but we need the support and funds to keepup the quality care for them. #EYTalking

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@educationgovuk @MissHWilliamsxx But the funding is far too low to sustain us #EYTalking

Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@signoramac @educationgovuk that 2yrs funding doesn't go far!! #EYTalking


Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@SarahFilPortico @signoramac @educationgovuk we just aren't being invested in! Frontlineis in need of funding and support from those above

Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2@educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley If some schools move to take 2 yr olds, inevitably the restwill follow; impact on other provision? #EYTalking

Respected from Birth @SChristophy@ChrisChivers2 @EYTalking @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley schools can only take 2year olds if their parents take them there.

DfE @educationgovuk@ChrisChivers2 new free entitlement means room for lots of growth across whole sector#EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk Amount of time spent on TAC conferences and family support meetingswith 2yos is huge - how will schools support this too?

Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2@educationgovuk Funding streams need to be clear and unambiguous, but also sustained,to allow secure future planning.#EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk

@ChrisChivers2 Agree - trying to simplify but we understand. Our commitment to earlyyears is absolute.


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When as a PVI provider we cannot even dream of this kind of financial support@courteneyccs @educationgovuk #EYTalking



Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk I see challenge of getting funding to front line, but this must be sorted

before more funding rolled out #EYTalking


Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LAknows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat duty

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYtalking Funding is secondary to a sustainablebusiness plan. This is essential to gain future funding!

S imona McKenzie @signoramac@SarahFilPortico @courteneyccs @educationgovuk No but funding that covers costs andreward us would be effective #EYTalking


Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPorticoHow about our LA schools forum @PorticoNicole @signoramac @nurserysarah@educationgovuk do early years issues get listened too? #EYTalking



DfE @educationgovuk

@nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line.#EYTalking more news soon


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@educationgovuk #EYTalking Appreciate localism is the current fashion but LAs need morethan encouragement to pass on funding in EYE


Ja ne Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVIsettings do

DfE @educationgovuk

@CityCallingXtra Totally agree, we are looking at what business advice is available#EYTalking

City Calling Xtr a @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk #EYtalking Agreed if you need support, there may be an opportunity forus to work together on http://www.citycalling.com


Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs@CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable businessimpacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business!


Nick Hague @educationbear@Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk @signoramac Absolutely - sig pressure on childminders inparticular




Jacqui Burke @jacquiburkefp At my sch space is a big issue as intake was above PAN this yr & same predicted every yr 4next 3. OOSC may lose their room #eytalking


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EYTalking @EYTalking@jacquiburkefp That is shame as OOSC, CMs & daycare already have excellent before &school set up. @educationgovuk #EYTalking

Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum@signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk #eytalking 2yo in schools? Should 4yo bein school would be my question, definitely not 2yo

Lupo @laralexus@haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovukdepends always on the provision not the the type of setting!

Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum@laralexus @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk VERY true butgenerally an EY setting must be better for EY #EYtalking

Lupo @laralexus@haslemeremuseum @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk why?

Haslemere Museum @haslemeremuseum@laralexus @EYTalking @signoramac @courteneyccs @educationgovuk Because in EYsettings concentrate on EY & have specialist staff #EYtalking



Janeevans @janeparentingIn week research shows big rise in #mentalillness for #children do we need to rethink focusof #earlyyears? More #emotions based? #EYTalking

Kathy B rodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking Should schools be involved in EY? They have no training, noexperience, wrong equipment and diff attitude

Claire Lowery @clairewiththere@kathybrodie @educationgovuk not always true! Lots of schools value and celebrate the EY@Eastfield_Acad just one example! #EYTalking

Jo Newland @JoNewland@kathybrodie @educationgovuk we try to involve the schools but as most have their ownnurseries there not interested

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk Equip them, teach them, train them! #Simples


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Amii Spark @faitaveclecoeur@kathybrodie @educationgovuk Need proper training on how to meet the needs of EY andreception kids, schools should be preschooler ready.

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kathybrodie @educationgovuk I disagree lots of school have amazing ey provision andare influential to older years!

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk #EYTalking for 2 year olds?? Nappies??

Total Ch ildcare @TCSchildcare@clairewiththere @EYTalking @ @educationgovuk.lots of good schools & lots of goodproviders...need a wide range of provision #EYTalking

Suzanne @suedozz@TCSchildcare @clairewiththere @EYTalking @educationgovuk yes we do but we shouldall be on a level play field re funding etc. #EYTalking

Laura G @Gold_Lol@kathybrodie @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk not forgetting that a lot of2 yr old still need an afternoon nap! #EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk #basics!

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk absolutely schools provide that!

Laura G @Gold_Lol@EstherOConnor5 @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk our local school doesn't

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk it depends where I guess oursdoes and we offer a high quality care

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk fundamentally focusing on primeareas it is so great seeing hard to

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk reach families grow in a positiveway!

Claire Lowery @clairewiththere@kathybrodie @educationgovuk not always true! Lots of schools value and celebrate the EY

@Eastfield_Acad just one example! #EYTalkingTotal Childcare @TCSchildcare


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@clairewiththere @EYTalking @ @educationgovuk.lots of good schools & lots of good

providers...need a wide range of provision #EYTalkingSuzanne @suedozz

@TCSchildcare @clairewiththere @EYTalking @educationgovuk yes we do but we shouldall be on a level play field re funding etc. #EYTalking

Suzanne @suedozz@educationgovuk @signoramac I am a graduate childminder yet profession being dumbeddown. Why? We offer some of the best care #EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk If chancellor has his way & min wage rises to 7 per hr, will funding for 2

yos rise in line with this? #qualitycosts

Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2@CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking Pressure for formal teaching earlier?Needs to be broad, balanced and relevant EYFS. #EYTalking

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk @EYTalking Teaching doesn't have to be formal, justaccessible!

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@ChrisChivers2 @EYTalking @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk exactly! Early years is stillfresh in large primary schools!

'EASY' EYFS SOFTW ARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@ChrisChivers2 @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking They shouldn't bTAUGHT but nurturedas INDIVIDUALS-how can sks do that #EYTalking

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@EASYsol4NURSERY @ChrisChivers2 @educationgovuk @EYTalking Outside of thefamily structure, schools are the best position to nurture EY!

Claire Lowery @clairewiththere@EstherOConnor5: @ChrisChivers2 @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk exactly! Earlyyears is still fresh in large primary schools! #EYTalkin g

Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2@EASYsol4NURSERY @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk @EYTalking Agree; nurturingindividuals essential, in all settings. #EYTalking

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@ChrisChivers2 think a real lack of understanding of what this entails - chdn used as g.pigs- resource ey people in HOMELY environ...

Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2@EASYsol4NURSERY Last tweet said exactly this; ensure quality provision. Chn shouldnever be guinea pigs. #EYTalking


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Gillian Bates @GillBates01@nurserysarah @EYTalking @educationgovuk 2yo offer already underfunded, rising costsmake it less attractive

Beatrice Merrick @b_merrick#EYTalking @EYTalking How does @educationgovuk think we can best increase 2yo inschools while still raising quality? Poor qual worse than 0

Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk EY grads are good (if they have passion and aptitude) for early years buthow can you support their pay in PVI? #EYTalking

FamilyChildcareTrust @FamChildTrustInteresting discussion on getting schools to offer more nursery places for 2 year olds#EYTalking


Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk Will primary school teachers be required to study additional module to'teach' 2 yos? hope the playing field will be level?

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@educationgovuk that doesn't answer the question - the EY sector should be seen as aseparate phase because it is #EYTalking




'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERYRT @educationgovuk: @Sue_Cowley Agree, it's distinct - but critical part of child's lifelongoutcomes #EYTalking


Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@EYTalking We aim for 1 to 2 ratio for our funded 2 year olds - why did you try for a 1 to 6ratio a year ago? #EYTalking


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DfE @educationgovuk@Sue_Cowley really keen to see a wide range of providers so parents have lots of choice#EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk Parental choice v important, but funding rates for ALL settings includingschools should be fair and adequate for quality

Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2@educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley If some schools move to take 2 yr olds, inevitably the restwill follow; impact on other provision? #EYTalking

Respected from Birth @SChristophy@ChrisChivers2 @EYTalking @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley schools can only take 2year olds if their parents take them there.

DfE @educationgovuk@ChrisChivers2 new free entitlement means room for lots of growth across whole sector#EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk Amount of time spent on TAC conferences and family support meetingswith 2yos is huge - how will schools support this too?


Lloyd Razemba @BO4C@educationgovuk @EYTalking @Sue_Cowley What's more important? More choice ormore quality provision delivering the best outcomes for 2yo's?

DfE @educationgovuk@ChrisChivers2 Agree - trying to simplify but we understand. Our commitment to earlyyears is absolute.

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking 'Many authorities have placed children s centres at the heartof their two-year-old programme' p.35 so Y closing?

MissAileen @AileenAnne1Better communication needs to be build between primary and early years teachers@educationgovuk #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@AileenAnne1 completely agree #EYTalking

Laura Henry @LauraChildcare@educationgovuk - please can we have extra funding for Continuous ProfessionalDevelopment? #EYTalking


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Claire Lowery @clairewiththere@EstherOConnor5: @ChrisChivers2 @CityCallingXtra @educationgovuk exa ctly! Earlyyears is still fresh in large primary schools! #EYTalking

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling#eytalking will these two year olds be funded they same as a 4/5 yr old?

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@GeoffBilling rate is around 5 per hour, although schools funded differently. #EYTalking

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling@Sue_Cowley ah gov to school? EYFS is brilliant but I can't see anyone working for free!

#EYTalking

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Would that not be an opportunity for pregnant mothers to dopart time work should they choose to? #EYTalking

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling@CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley I must of missed your meaning? Run these settings withpregnant woman and not pay them? #EYTalking

City C alling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Obviously pay them. #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@GeoffBilling Funding is and will be higher for two year olds #EYTalking

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@educationgovuk @GeoffBilling Slightly and the drops to unacceptable levels at 3#EYtalking

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling@CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley yes I suppose so then, but surely for any qualified group?Not sure pregnancy qualifies you! #EYTalking

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling@educationgovuk ta! #didntknow #EYTalking

Hels @00sixpointfive@GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley are we talking about recruiting more peopleto EY?

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Of course! Being pregnant doesn't qualify you but trainingneeds to be available! You can't shirk on quality!



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@00sixpointfive @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley We are talking about making it available to

those that really need it! #EYtalkingSue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@educationgovuk that doesn't answer the question - the EY sector should be seen as aseparate phase because it is #EYTalking


Rea @rea34105@EASYsol4NURSERY @educationgovuk @Sue_Cowley why was 'but' inserted? Sounds

like you're saying current EY provision is lacking on some way

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8#EYTalking @educationgovuk we need to be raising the school age not lowering it!

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk That would be a sure way to resolve the #childcare shortage#EYTalking

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk you are assuming it is based in formal ed?!

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk what about children with a lack of experience athome?#EYTalking

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk they are keeping them in EY settings.

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk most of my local schools are formalisingEarly Years not something I want for my 3 year old

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk I agree I support lots of schools as well asteach and can relate however ...

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk we need to keep influencing those that valuepurposeful and exploratory play!

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk if they follow the EYFS as they are meantto I have no issue, however schools think they know

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk .... Best and the EY sector is undervaluedand unappreciated - glorified babysitters


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Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk you would be surprised with some greatpractise that influences ks1&2 role play

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk check our my bloghttp://hoppinghillnursery.wordpress.com

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk disagree I think we are more valued than ever!

CMB @catmab

@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk But not all schools thesame as not all PVI perfect. Many schools v good with EYFS.

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk the new curriculum for ks1&2 proves thiscreative curriculum!

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk and like the quality in EY settings it's notconsistent. I just don't believe schools....

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk ...are the right places for 2 year olds andI've yet to find anyone other....

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk .... The gov who thinks so (sorry for rant)

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@catmab @eytalking @estheroconnor5 @educationgovuk I agree and the poor provisionseither need support or need to close




Simona McKenzie @signoramac@nurserysarah @educationgovuk More funding to #frontline is now #rhetoric it is not

happening #EYTalkingSarah Steel @nurserysarah


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@signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LA

knows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat dutyCity Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYtalking Funding is secondary to a sustainablebusiness plan. This is essential to gain future funding!


Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPorticoHow about our LA schools forum @PorticoNicole @signoramac @nurserysarah

@educationgovuk do early years issues get listened too? #EYTalking


City Ca lling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@courteneyccs @nurserysarah @educationgovuk But the funding will never present itself ifthe model isn't sustainable! #EYtalking




Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVIsettings do



'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY

@educationgovuk @nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get moremoney to front line. #EYTalking more news soonMW PROPOSALS?


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Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs

@CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable businessimpacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business!

ue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@educationgovuk your funding for 2 year olds (5 p/h) only works with high ratios that EYsector refused to adopt #EYTalking


DfE @educationgovuk

@earlyyearscpd completely agree, really support those partnerships #EYTalking

Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd Partnerships would be good, esp understanding imp of2yr needs but sustainability for PVI being challenged



Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LAknows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat duty

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYtalking Funding is secondary to a sustainablebusiness plan. This is essential to gain future funding!





@courteneyccs @nurserysarah @educationgovuk But the funding will never present itself ifthe model isn't sustainable! #EYtalking


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DfE @educationgovuk

@nurserysarah We will be consulting on more changes to get more money to front line.#EYTalking more news soon



Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen

@educationgovuk #EYtalking I look forward to being consulted, as I'm sure many PVIsettings do




Cour teney Donaldson @courteneyccs@CityCallingXtra @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Evidence ofsustainable businessimpacted on due to funding: creating unsustainable business!

MissAileen @AileenAnne1I know when I attended Uni we were always looked down from the primary teachingdepartments @educationgovuk #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@AileenAnne1 Really want to raise the status of EY professionals that's why entrance qualsnow higher #EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 To raise status of EYPs we must be able to raise pay#qualitycosts #EYTalking

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@educationgovuk @aileenanne1 they need to be recognised as so, not the poorer sister!

MissAileen @AileenAnne1

@educationgovuk And increase publicity of BA (Hons) in early childhood studies andencourage more to do the courses :) #EYTalking


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amy trowell @amyk21

@educationgovuk qualifications don't always = better practitioners. Nursing a good exampleof this. You don't need a degree to care.

Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 So why so much focus on apprentices? #EYTalking

Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@nurserysarah: @educationgovuk @AileenAnne1 To raise status of EYPs we must be ableto raise pay #qualitycosts #EYTalking totally agree

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking Quals raised are irrelevant GCSE Science - need more

attachment, EY care, baby experience at entry, NOT science

EYTalking @EYTalking@kathybrodie @educationgovuk More about how the individual connects with children, istop of the tree for me! #Attachments

MissAileen @AileenAnne1@EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk I agree there! I have learning difficulties, buthave many unique quality skills 2 combat this

MissAileen @AileenAnne1@EYTalking @kathybrodie @educationgovuk It's not about what u have on paper, it's aboutwhat you do in practice #goodlifeexperience

Shabang Theatre @shabangtheatre@kathybrodie @educationgovuk my son has down syndrome wants 2 work in EY but nohope of getting even first rung of quals ladder #notfair

Sarah Green @SarahSarahg66@educationgovuk @EYTalking Need to encourage schools to have EYPS/EYT as supportin EYFS with appropriate pay. #quality

MissAileen @AileenAnne1@amyk21 @educationgovuk But u do need certain skills, experiences and access to qualityresources, in order to increase confidence

MissAileen @AileenAnne1@amyk21 @educationgovuk From there u can gain better ideas of quality learning and howto seek support; confidence= competence

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk #EYTalking for 2 year olds?? Nappies??

Laura G @Gold_Lol@kathybrodie @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk not forgetting that a lot of

2 yr old still need an afternoon nap! #EYTalking


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@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @EstherOConnor5 @educationgovuk #basics!Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk absolutely schools provide that!

Laura G @Gold_Lol@EstherOConnor5 @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk our local school doesn't

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk it depends where I guess oursdoes and we offer a high quality care

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk fundamentally focusing on primeareas it is so great seeing hard to

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@Gold_Lol @kathybrodie @EYTalking @educationgovuk reach families grow in a positiveway!

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk #EYTalking The key to it is opportunities to pregnant mothers. Part timework for pregnant mothers to teach EY!

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYTalking I am completely behind raising awareness forEY and demanding action for funding!

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk @EYTalking It is 2014 and a lot of the time the provider is the singleparent. We need to support them! #EYTalking

Total Childcare @TCSchildcare@clairewiththere @EYTalking @ @educationgovuk.lots of good schools & lots of goodproviders...need a wide range of provision #EYTalking

Suzanne @suedozz@TCSchildcare @clairewiththere @EYTalking @educationgovuk yes we do but we shouldall be on a level play field re funding etc. #EYTalking

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@janeparenting @educationgovuk They can't #vulnerable children need special care andlow #ratios + home environment CMs are best #EYtalking

DfE @educationgovuk@signoramac Really support home env. CMs but parents want a choice. #EYTalking

Hels @00sixpointfive@educationgovuk @signoramac Problem is if all types of EY provision are not equallyfunded and supported, parents do not get a choice.


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'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@educationgovuk parents don't always make choices with their child first; convenience,cost, follow crowd

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@educationgovuk Never met a parent in 20 years who want her 2 yo in school #EYTalking

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@signoramac think we should ask politicians to send their kids to school to prove it's a goodidea?

Nick Williams @Nick_at_Parenta

#EYTalking Curious to know how many private providers will refuse to offer 2 yr old fundedplaces?

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@Nick_at_Parenta #EYtalking No of PVI settings who will engage with 2YOs does dependon rates of funding. #qualitycosts

DfE @educationgovuk@Nick_at_Parenta Gov't recommended national rate well above what providers get in themarketplace. Interesting question though. #EYTalking

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@educationgovuk #EYTalking Govt rec rate for 2YOs is 5.19 I believe? Oxfordshire CConly get 5.14 per child, so how can they pay rec level

Nick Williams @Nick_at_Parenta@educationgovuk Really? Do you know how market rates were established? Numbers don'tseem to add up when we study our database. #EYTalking

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking Oxfordshire CC only get 5.14 per child, sohow can they pay rec levelINVESTMENT & PLACES stiffled

Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPorticoWe don't even get that @nurserysarah @educationgovuk #EYTalking @PorticoNicole

Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs@Nick_at_Parenta #EYTalking owners are compassionate & want to make a difference butfor some delivery cost versus rate awarded prohibitive

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@SarahFilPortico @educationgovuk @PorticoNicole We don't get 5.14, only 5 becauseOCC worried about 'just in case' and future lower funds

Nick Williams @Nick_at_Parenta

@courteneyccs seems to be the case for most of our customersSue Cowley @Sue_Cowley


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@Nick_at_Parenta @educationgovuk finger in the wind I reckon, relying on full occupancy

and at limit of ratios, I'm going to blog on thisLloyd Razemba @BO4C@educationgovuk If this statement holds true for all providers 'in the marketplace' can yousuggest a reason why providers are not up for it

Sarah Fillingham @SarahFilPorticoOur rate is 4 something @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @PorticoNicole #eytalking

Nick Williams @Nick_at_Parenta@Sue_Cowley @educationgovuk Happy to provide real statistics from our invoicing

database for genuine insight.

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@SarahFilPortico @nurserysarah @educationgovuk @PorticoNicole ours is less than 5 too#EYTalking

Nicole Politis @PorticoNicole@EYFS_lancs @SarahFilPortico @nurserysarah @educationgovuk Soon it will be the sameas 3 year old FEYE !!

Courteney Donaldson @courteneyccs@educationgovuk Nurseries best place for very young children: purpose built facilities &expertise needed to care for Early Yrs #EYTalking

chris barnham @chris_barnhamnot to hand, but google Sylva et al, Effective provision of pre-school for evidence grad

ldrshp #EYTalking



Jennifer Holly @EYplayandlearn@JeniHooper @EYTalking @chris_barnham @educationgovuk but does graduate led haveto mean school? #EYTalking

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8#EYTalking a number of parents are looking to delay school entry till their child's 5th birthday#earlyyearsbest

DfE @educationgovuk

@kidsactiv8 We're aware and that's a parents' choice. Schools EY provision is nursery stylenot classroom #EYTalking


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kids activ8 @kidsactiv8 J

@educationgovuk you would hope it is but it isn't. The children need the same environmentas an EY setting with EY staff not TA's

Jennifer Holly @EYplayandlearn@educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd @kidsactiv8 too much pressure from above in someschools for practitioners to maintain EY ethos. I've seen it

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EYplayandlearn @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd I agree, targets maybe?

Jennifer Holly @EYplayandlearn

@kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd in my exp absolutely. Links to NC outcomesand unrealistic expectations & understanding of child

Tracey Everatt @Kingfisher_1985@educationgovuk @earlyyearscpd @kidsactiv8 provision might be but are staff attitudes?Nursery class next to us don't seem to be.

Sarah Steel @nurserysarah@Nick_at_Parenta #EYtalking No of PVI settings who will engage with 2YOs does dependon rates of funding. #qualitycosts

Clare Jones @Ceedeejay27My setting funded an EY graduate but once qualified she wanted to move on for better payand opportunities #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@Ceedeejay27 Yes challenging, that's why we want to grow through apprentices and level 3quals #EYTalking

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@educationgovuk Will schools need to have a Qualified Teacher in the setting to run theprovision? #EYTalking

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk #EYTalking yes they do need a QTS so who pays?

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk so what about EYP/EYT who specialise in young ages?Would they not be best placed? #inequalities #EYTalking

kids ac tiv8 @kidsactiv8@EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk they would be but without QTS wouldn't count - completerubbish the difference is 6 months in a course

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8

@EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk plus more specialised - I'm doing my EYT in Septemberand already been told I would be the cheaper option


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DfE @educationgovuk

@EYFS_lancs All children will have access to a qualified teacher #EYTalkingKathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs Do you mean qualified in 0 to 5 or 0 to 3 or some randomprimary subject? It may make a difference!!

Suzanne @suedozz@educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs which in turn sets schools apart from PVI. Unbalancedplaying field. #EYTalking

Hels @00sixpointfive@educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs could you please clarify what 'access' means?

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling@kathybrodie @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs true I'm trained 5-11 wouldst know where tostart with 2 yr olds #EYTalking (I would a bit!)

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@educationgovuk Why not EYP/EYTs? Great opportunity to raise equal status as it wasalways meant to be? #EYTalking

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk #EYTalking It was what EPPE originally asked for but govtwouldn't fund it

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@educationgovuk QTS ok if 0-5 trained, but all EYP/EYT's are!

Jo Newland @JoNewland@kathybrodie @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs I don't have QTS and manage my 3-5's justfine without it.

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@educationgovuk do you have any thoughts on this?




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@Sue_Cowley ah gov to school? EYFS is brilliant but I can't see anyone working for free!

#EYTalkingCity Call ing Xtra @CityCallingXtra@GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Would that not be an opportunity for pregnant mothers to dopart time work should they choose to? #EYTalking

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling@CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley I must of missed your meaning? Run these settings withpregnant woman and not pay them? #EYTalking

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Obviously pay them. #EYTalking

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling@CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley yes I suppose so then, but surely for any qualified group?Not sure pregnancy qualifies you! #EYTalking

Hels @00sixpointfive@GeoffBilling @CityCallingXtra @Sue_Cowley are we talking about recruiting more peopleto EY?

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley Of course! Being pregnant doesn't qualify you but trainingneeds to be available! You can't shirk on quality!

City Calling Xtra @CityCallingXtra@00sixpointfive @GeoffBilling @Sue_Cowley We are talking about making it available tothose that really need it! #EYtalking

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@kidsactiv8 @EYTalking @educationgovuk what about children with a lack of experience athome?#EYTalking

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@EstherOConnor5 @eytalking @educationgovuk they are keeping them in EY settings.

EYTalking @EYTalking2nd question from @educationgovuk how to encourage more childminders to enter theprofession whether independently or as part of an agency

Laura G @Gold_Lol@EYTalking @educationgovuk the question should be how to retain the c/ms we alreadyhave. We are v worried about agencies #EYTalking

Clare Bailey @Clarelouisebod@Gold_Lol @EYTalking @educationgovuk I think many more will leave. Morale low

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Laura G @Gold_Lol

@Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk individual inspection is the key - thereason for agencies is a cost cutting exercise #EYTalking

amy trowell @amyk21@EYTalking don't force CMs to join agencies. They choose the children as much as thefamilies choose them. A good CM is a precious thing.

Clare Bailey @Clarelouisebod@EYTalking @educationgovuk CMs still don't have respect they deserve. Not seen asprofessionals by many #EYTalking

Emma Harris @lilcaterpillars

@Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk we've all worked so hard to change that - just getting somewhere and then CMAs

elizabeth shack @elizabethshack1@Clarelouisebod I think our LA is already sold on the benefits of CM we have to work withparents to recognise their professionalism

elizabeth shack @elizabethshack1@EYTalking people need security usually takes 6-12mths to get children on roll long timewith no income and then it goes up and down

elizabeth shack @elizabethshack1@EYTalking revise L&D requirements for those only caring for children under 2 IPPRresearch suggests attachment the most imp at this age

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling Also this stemmed from getting parents back to work or improving education orboth?#EYTalking


DfE @educationgovuk@ChrisChivers2 Agree - trying to simplify but we understand. Our commitment to earlyyears is absolute.

Janeevans @janeparenting@educationgovuk #EYTalking Do EYP have robust training in #attachment, early #braindevelopment & effects of #trauma?

Pam EYP @EYFS_lancs@janeparenting @educationgovuk can't speak for others but I do! :) #EYTalking

Janeevans @janeparenting@EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk That's great to hear I am not sure that its widespread?


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Rhiannon McCarthy @Rhi_McC

@janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk University of South Wales Caerleoncampus teach the above! EY is a big aspect in most jobs

Janeevans @janeparenting@Rhi_McC @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk Great! #attachment #brain development#trauma effects should be foundation of #earlyyears #EYTalking

Jo Newland @JoNewland@janeparenting @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk out company runs an EYP network wherethey teach these things but not everyone is as lucky

Janeevans @janeparenting

@JoNewland @EYFS_lancs @educationgovuk fantastic to hear :0)

DfE @educationgovuk@kathybrodie Trials are showing positive results, lots for schools to learn from PVI#EYTalkin

Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk @kathybrodie Positive results for who? #EYtalking

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking Schools could always learn from PVI, why only asking usnow?

Chris Chivers @ChrisChivers2@educationgovuk @kathybrodie Communication is key to the success of any developmentventure. Ensure clear information available. #EYTalking

'EASY' EYFS SOFTWARE @EASYsol4NURSERY@educationgovuk postive results for who? The CHILD should be at centre of practice -parents don't always do this #eytalking

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@JaneRedHen @educationgovuk @kathybrodie QUITE! #eYtalking

Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley@kathybrodie because we wouldn't stay quiet and accept high ratios (sorry very cynical butschools more malleable?)

Clare Bailey @Clarelouisebod@kathybrodie @educationgovuk Agree - not enough partnership working at present#EYTalking

Jo Newland @JoNewland@kathybrodie @educationgovuk and why should we help them when they are taking awayour 2 year olds for free places?

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@JoNewland @kathybrodie @educationgovuk What will #CMs be left with when 2yo in

schools? Continuity will be broken for families #EYtalkingKathy Brodie @kathybrodie

@Sue_Cowley I was wondering if it was because there's now money on the table?!

Jane Harrison @JaneRedHen@educationgovuk @kathybrodie Positive results for who? #EYtalking

Kathy Brodie @kathybrodie@educationgovuk #EYTalking Good to hear, but financial support for CPD withdrawn, nosupport for networks, lack of longterm strategy

ReSarah Steel @nurserysarah@signoramac @educationgovuk #EYTalking I don't agree, I sit on Schools Forum and LAknows it must pass more on, but must also meet stat duty



Emma Harris @lilcaterpillars@educationgovuk @signoramac I agree with graduate led provision but that seems tocontradict with CMAs - more graduate CMs #eytalking

Elaine Hook @ed2inspire@educationgovuk Preschool 24 fully funded children not sustainable, don't even break even,real struggle to keep open but req #EYTalking

Suzanne @suedozz@ed2inspire @educationgovuk as a childminder doesn't equate to min wage per hour Fair?Take expenses out I'm working for nothing #EYTalking

Littlepuntie NUFC @littlepuntie@ed2inspire @EYTalking @educationgovuk our setting is really struggling this year. All staffhad their hours cut. Parents doing bare minimum

Elaine Hook @ed2inspire@littlepuntie @EYTalking @educationgovuk We are also really struggling, parents doingfunded hours only, funding doesn't cover expenditure

Littlepuntie NUFC @littlepuntie

@ed2inspire @EYTalking @educationgovuk that's what is happening at ours. Last yearparents did so many extra hours = high staff ratios.


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Sue Cowley @Sue_Cowley

@educationgovuk don't understand how anyone can fund teacher payscale on 5 p/h#EYTalking unless ratios get changed, which shouldn't happen

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@Sue_Cowley @EYTalking @educationgovuk totally agree! It is a hard job it needs morevalue!

DfE @educationgovuk@EYFS_lancs Childrens centres are an option but main role is to support families andsignpost to childcare #EYTalking


Our children's centre can't even signpost to us and we provide daycare inside !!!!@educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs #eytalking @PorticoNicole`Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@SarahFilPortico @educationgovuk @EYFS_lancs @PorticoNicole ours has had to ask usfor help and practitioner as they are so short staffed!!`Beatrice Merrick @b_merrick

@educationgovuk: Childrens centres main role to support families and signpost to childcare#EYTalking?? Nursery School/CCs might disagree!


Total Childcare @TCSchildcare@educationgovuk @EYTalking Total Childcare Service aims to work with range ofproviders...we want to work with schools #EYTalking

City Calli ng Xtra @CityCallingXtra J@educationgovuk @EYTalking #EYTalking I am completely behind raising awareness forEY and demanding action for funding!

City Calling Xtr a @CityCallingXtra@educationgovuk @EYTalking It is 2014 and a lot of the time the provider is the singleparent. We need to support them! #EYTalking

Laura G @Gold_Lol@EYTalking @educationgovuk the question should be how to retain the c/ms we alreadyhave. We are v worried about agencies #EYTalking

Clare Bailey @Clarelouisebod@Gold_Lol @EYTalking @educationgovuk I think many more will leave. Morale low#EYTalking

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@Clarelouisebod @EYTalking @educationgovuk individual inspection is the key - the

reason for agencies is a cost cutting exercise #EYTalkingJane Harrison @JaneRedHen2yr olds need skilled practitioners, not teachers #EYTalking

Heather Williams @MissHWilliamsxx@JaneRedHen completely agree!

Esther O'Connor @EstherOConnor5@JaneRedHen @EYTalking most 'teachers' in ey see themselves as practitioners as theyare passionate about ey

amy trowell @amyk21@JaneRedHen Agree, they also need to be in a more 'homely' environment than aclassroom all day.

LEYF Nurse ries @leyfonline"@JaneRedHen: 2yr olds need skilled practitioners, not teachers #EYTalking"

CMB @catmab@leyfonline @JaneRedHen Who says a QTS can't be a skilled practitioner?

Sarah Green @SarahSarahg66@EstherOConnor5 @EYTalking couldn't agree more. Some even have TAs with a degreeand EYPS .

LEYF Nurseries @leyfonline@catmab forgive me qts?

CMB @catmab@leyfonline Qualfied teacher status. Shorthand saved space!

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8#EYTalking @educationgovuk childminders need support, training and recognition - people'sperception of early years needs to change

Simona McKenzie @signoramac@kidsactiv8 @educationgovuk Agree with no support #CMs may drop grade and hand 2yoback to #LA? #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@kidsactiv8 We hope CMAs will provide another source of support here #EYTalking

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@educationgovuk will they be @Ofstednews regulated? #EYTalking

DfE @educationgovuk@kidsactiv8 Yes absolutely #EYTalking


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Emma Harris @lilcaterpillars

@educationgovuk @kidsactiv8 what level of quals/experience will CMAs be required to haveto make them the arbiter of quality? #EYTalking

kids activ8 @kidsactiv8@lilcaterpillars @educationgovuk you'd hope experience, quality assurance, transparencyand integrity!


knutsfordchildmindin @knutsfordchildm

Childminders are leaving in droves - we are the ones who need support! #eytalking

Elaine Hook @ed2inspire@educationgovuk @nurserysarah We have had to limit 2 yr old, deprived, SEN, childprotection orders, domestic violence, too much #EYTalking

EYTalking @EYTalking@ed2inspire @educationgovuk @nurserysarah I hear this all the time. No support for takingon children in need.. #EYTalking

Jeni Hooper @JeniHooper@ed2inspire @educationgovuk @nurserysarah I've decades of experience as an EP andmeeting such needy tiny ones is heart rending #EYTalking

EYTalking @EYTalking@ed2inspire @educationgovuk @nurserysarah I hear this all the time. No support for takingon children in need.. #EYTalking

GeoffBilling @GeoffBilling@CityCallingXtra

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