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Equiniti
Half Year Results Presentation
27th July 2018
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Equiniti
Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
John Stier, Chief Financial Officer
Questions From
Robert Chantry, Berenberg Ed Steele, Citi Rahim Karim, Liberum Paul Sullivan, Barclays Christopher Bamberry, Peel Hunt
Introduction & Key Highlights
Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Ladies and gentlemen, a very good morning to you all and welcome to the Equiniti Group
2018 interim results. Now we're one minute early but I think we're probably okay to
start if that's alright. My name's Guy Wakeley, Equiniti's Chief Executive and I am joined
here by John Stier, Equiniti's Chief Financial Officer.
The presentation we will give you today will be an overview of the results for the six
month period ending June 30th 2018 that we published to the market at seven o'clock
this morning.
In terms of our agenda, firstly I'll summarise the key highlights of the results of course,
John will talk to the financials in a little more detail. And we have included here some
helpful disclosure around revenue mix and around cash generation. I will then present a
review of our divisional business performance, again with some more disclosure on
revenue mix and performance and then some words on guidance and outlook. As usual
we'll be very happy to take your comments and questions, both in the room and on the
telephone, but at the end of the presentation please if that's okay?
So allow me to say some words in summary before we get into the detail. And in
summary we're very, very pleased to show you a credible set of interim results. We've
been very satisfied to see accelerating performance during the first half of 2018, building
on the momentum we had in the second half of the prior reporting period.
So the three highlights that I'd like to draw out before talking to the numbers. Firstly,
organic growth - and organic growth accelerated out of '17 into '18 and we are reporting
here like for like 7.7% of organic growth; a testament to the momentum that's coming
through.
Secondly, we've completed now our landmark entry into the US market, with the
acquisition of Wells Fargo Shareowner Services. I'll tell you some more about that in a
moment. But what I can say now is that multiple new opportunities present themselves
from that business.
And finally, we're happy to upgrade our guidance for this year based upon the
momentum that we've built through the first half of this year and the visibility we have
of the revenues for the full year.
So turning to these financials in slightly more detail, revenues increased to £254m,
that's a reported increase of 30.4% and as I say underpinned by 7.7% organic growth.
That is our strongest period of organic growth ever since our public market debut.
EBITDA reported at £55m, a 31.6% increase and I'd highlight here that we're continuing
to stretch our EBITDA margins as we build scale and take operating leverage from our
platform characteristics. It's really pleasing to be growing organic sales, growing our
margins in a period where we've also increased our capabilities, ingested an acquisition
and at the same time maintaining leverage and accelerating our earnings.
And to earnings, earnings per share have increased by more than 13% to 7.7 pence and
we are pleased to propose an interim dividend of 1.83 pence. That's an increase of
11.6% and it's in line with the progressive dividend policy that we described when we
floated the company in 2015.
A note here for clarity of course, that earnings and dividend are presented on an
underlying basis and that is to normalise for the effect of the 3 for 14 rights issue that
we took to the market in October of last year.
Our operating cash flow conversion remains a particularly strength of the Group and we
are pleased to report here operating cash flow conversion of 102%. And we say that
that demonstrates the disciplined working capital management of the business and
moreover is ahead of our average cash conversion since the time of our float, which was
around 98%.
To pre-empt a question, at the time of our 2017 results we talked about our receivables
financing facility with Lloyds Banking Group that at that time was drawn to over £19m.
Over the course of this first half we have reduced the draw on that facility by around
30% to £14m and obviously absent that - that reduction in that facility the underlying
operating cash flow conversion of the Group would have been significantly stronger in
the period.
To leverage, our ratio of net debt to EBITDA remains in line with guidance at 2.8 times,
this leverage figure is quoted a net basis of course and it includes the full cash cost of
the Wells Fargo Shareowner Services acquisition, but of course only five months of the
trading of that business. So the reported form here is actually as we contract for the
debt with the bank.
On a pro forma basis, had we included a full year of the Wells Fargo ownership the
underlying leverage would be lower at around 2.5 times.
The first half of '18 has been a strong period. We think the distinguishing strengths of
Equiniti have undoubtedly shone through here. Our services are non-discretionary, our
services are technology led. We're a business of specialists; we're not a BPO outsourcer.
And despite the prevailing challenges of the operating environment we continue to see
very many good opportunities to continue to grow the company.
So let me hand to John Stier, our CFO to talk in a little bit more detail about the
financials and I'll come back with some comments on strategy and divisional
performance. John.
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Financial Review
John Stier, Chief Financial Officer
Thank you Guy. Morning everybody. So just a few things just to start with, I'm going to
take you through the first half trading performance this morning. You will see as we go
through the slides we're giving you some additional disclosure today. That is there to
help everybody understand the characteristics of the Group in a little bit more detail.
As Guy touched on there has been a very strong period of growth in the first six months
of this year that we're very pleased to report today.
You'll see within that revenue grew by 30.4%, £254m, and our EBITDA also grew by
over 30% to £55m. That growth is a mixture of consolidating our EQ USA business for
the first time, which we've done from the 1st of February this year and also seeing over
7% organic growth across the Group. You'll see that translates down into our EBIT, also
growing strongly to £24.7m.
Our non-operating charges are £14.1m in the period, these all relate to transaction costs
and integration costs of Wells Fargo.
As that transpires through you'll see that has caused our profit before tax to decline to
£3.7m, but our underlying EPS as we see as a core measure really of sustainable
performance grew strongly by 13.2% to 7.7 pence. And just to remind you that
underlying EPS is adjusted for two things, it's adjusted for non-operating charges where
they've been non-recurring in nature and it's also adjusted for acquired intangible assets
which get amortised through the profit and loss account. And that is because the latter
have no economic outflow to the Group.
When we start to look at division performance you'll see again very strong performance
across a number of divisions.
Investment Solutions grew its revenue organically 6.7%, while Intelligent Solutions
reported a 34.8% growth in the period. Pensions declined as we expected, but when
you look across the UK, reported over 10% organic growth and 12.2% reported growth.
And then we've started to consolidate EQ USA for the first time and we'll give you more
colour in a moment on the underlying drivers in each of these divisions.
You'll also see pleasingly that our margins have continued to accrete and they increased
by a further 20 basis points in the period to 21.7%. And that is caused through a
number of things, it's partly we have some platform characteristics in the Group, as
we've talked about in the past. So as revenue grows we would naturally expect to grow
profit quicker.
It is also because we have a lot of efficiency opportunities in the Group, that's things like
looking at robotics, how we automate in things that we do for clients. And also we have
a growing software business that again is margin rich for us.
So turning to a little bit more detail by division, firstly with Investment Solutions we
enjoyed a strong period of growth in our corporate action activity. And you will see
there that grew to £8.1m against £4.7m in the prior period. We saw double digit growth
in our international payments business and also strong trading volumes. Clients that we
worked with in the period for corporate action income included Old Mutual, Fidessa, and
Shire Pharmaceutical.
With Intelligent Solutions, again, you know a very, very good performance that we're
pleased with, predominantly driven by remediation services, where we were able to not
only win a lot of work in the market, but displace a competitor at one of our leading
clients. And signing new name clients in our KYC business and in our Credit Services
Operations.
We do need to bear in mind with Intelligent Solutions that we did have a weaker
comparator in that business last year. You'll recall in the first half of 2017 revenue was
flat in the division, whilst profit grew by over 12% and that is because we had a number
of remediation projects that finished and we were in between those projects finishing
and new ones coming onboard. That then took traction in the second half of last year
where we saw revenue accelerate to 10% growth in the division and that trend has
continued and accelerated further as we have gone into the first half of this year. It is
not sustainable at that level, to be absolutely clear to everybody, but obviously it gives
us a lot of comfort on a lower risk execution year this year and we don't see anything
that changes our mid term outlook for the division.
With Pension Solutions that's declined as anticipated and the decline is really driven by
two things, it's driven by the NHS insourcing some of the work, as we did a new three
year extension with them. And secondly we had a contract with the UK Mineworkers
Scheme that went to a competitor.
What we have been busy doing is looking very carefully at how we deliver service to
clients, looking to automate, look at where we get work done very carefully and that has
allowed us to drive efficiency out of the business. We have also taken a £0.8m
restructuring charge into EBITDA in the period as part of driving those activities. And we
continue to work towards seeing profits stabilise in the division as we go into 2019.
Our interest line grew strongly, you'll see, and that was caused by the Bank of England
raising base rates by 25 basis points in November 2017.
With EQ USA we have seen top line decline 6%, but also profit growth broadly by 6%.
Now what's been happening in that division is firstly we have seen a period of strong
competitor activity that we've needed to respond to. That has meant, as you'll see in
the announcement we have had some smaller clients that have chosen to go to
competitors. But most importantly we have not lost any of our major clients and a
number of them, as I say, we'll touch on and we can go through more detail in Q&A have
extended for between three and five years that we're very pleased with.
We've also seen some - just seasonality really between the first half and second half of
the year on corporate action activity. For our USA business we have had the opposite to
the UK where we have seen a softer period of corporate action activity in the first half of
the year, but we have won a number of mandates in the second half of the year that
makes us very confident about that reversing as we go through the full year period.
We have also seen in the business good opportunities to drive efficiency. And a mixture
of those efficiency initiatives and rising interest rates, offset by investments we're
making in the business, have allowed margins to grow. And those investments include,
as an example, things like getting ready to launch private registration share services in
North America, which we're actively now taking to market.
Finally on that slide you'll see our central costs growing just over £1m. That is driven by
our LTIP costs where we have done some true-up in the period for our 2015 issuance
with it nearing its fruition point.
When we look at our cash flow as a business, as Guy touched on, firstly you'll see very
pleasing cash flow through from EBITDA through to operating cash. As I say to people
consistently really, these metrics will move around our medium term target. We target
95% and we are really pleased to have done better than that in the period. But you only
need a few clients one way or another to pay a few million pounds that can swing those
percentages. Nothing that we see changes our medium term outlook and cash flow
remains very strong in the Group.
You'll see our non-operating charges associated with the £14.1m P&L charge were
£11.4m of cash and as is common there is some timing difference between some
invoices coming in and the cash going out. And then our capital expenditure has been
running at about 7% in the period. In all that's allowed our free cash flow to
shareholders to grow by 10% in the period to £22.1m. And then you'll see a cash going
out as we completed our acquisition of EQ USA and £13.6m being paid for dividends in
the period.
What we wanted to do on this next slide is just really give you a little bit more colour
about cash flow in the Group which we think is important. And so what we have done
here is we have stepped through from the beginning of 2016 through to today to look at
what cash is being generated across the Group.
Now what you will see here is as we step through that chart, if we take away working
capital movements we've had £240m in that five or six month reporting period. We
have then spent £30m on non-operating charges; they are principally associated with EQ
USA through transaction costs and integration costs that have been recorded in the P&L.
We have then invested £77m in capital expenditure, predominantly in our products to
take those forward, paid £6m of tax, and paid our MyCSP minority shareholders £10m in
dividend. That then leaves £117m available to providers of capital to the Group. You'll
see £23m of that then went into interest, which left us with £94m available to our equity
shareholders. And how we've allocated those funds is £55m net of rights issue that has
gone into acquisitions, £32m has been paid in dividends, and that's left us with £8m on
the balance sheet. And as we've touched on, of that £94m generated £22m of that has
been in the six month period we're reporting today.
When we look at our working capital in a little bit more detail just a few other points to
call out. You'll see there as Guy touched on, our invoice receivable facility has declined
to £14m in the period. And that was really driven by the mixture of projects that we
undertook in the period. You'll also see our DSO when we took at total debtors with
accrued revenue in our debtor book it tends to be between 55 and 60 days and we'll
obviously keep that reporting going for you going forwards.
The biggest thing that happened in the period is we consolidated EQ USA, EQ USA DSO
is just north of 60 days, that's running at 61 days todays, so there is some mix issue in
there.
We thought as well it would be helpful just to lay out some of the traits around our
accrued revenues so people understand that. The first thing to say is that we do not
book any accrued revenue in the Group at all unless we have a firm contract signed by a
client, making sure our revenues are completely underpinned.
The second thing is with the blue chip nature of the customers that we're working with
we get very, very minimum bad debts in the business, which again should hopefully give
investors confidence on the quality of our reporting. You'll see in the period that we're
reporting today that's less than £100,000 in the same period last year it was £300,000.
Accrued revenue has grown in the period and that is a mixture of factors that are driving
that. The first things is we've consolidated EQ USA, so in North America we will typically
do work for clients and we would bill it the following month as we have gone through
those services and that's what you see reflected there.
We have also seen a lot of growth in remediation services there and again what would
happen there is we would typically provide services to a client in month, we would record
the revenue to match with the costs which is appropriate and then we would go through
in the following month with the customer what cases were remediated, how we
performance with our SLAs, we would ultimately then agree and invoice in that month,
bill it, and then it would get paid in turn. So you get a lag in these things.
We have also seen a growth in software, and what would be pretty common with
software implementation is clients would agree billing and payment milestones to us,
obviously under IFRS 15 we need to report revenue as we do that work, but you can get
some deferment there. And you'll see we've put an example there of what would be
quite common with clients that we would agree.
And finally we've seen really strong growth in corporate action income. And again what
would happen with that revenue stream is we would agree billing milestones with the
clients as we do that work, so you get some deferment.
As we turn to look at our operating charges in more detail, the £14.1m is broken down
with £5.2m of transaction costs and £8.9m of integration costs. The transaction costs
have arisen in this period because they were all contingent on completion taking place at
EQ USA which we're now pleased to report has taken place.
The integration costs have been incurred through things like programme delivery, setting
up standalone function and spending money on systems and process to make sure we
can run our EQ USA asset on a standalone basis.
The other points to pull out there is firstly with our Pensions business we have incurred
£0.8m of restructuring costs in the period. They have been absorbed into EBITDA
because we've said we think it's right and proper that we really keep non-recurring
charges into costs which are truly transformational at a Group level.
So that is the policy we will be applying as we go forwards. It also means that as we
complete the integration of EQ USA there will be no non-recurring charges in the Group,
save for any other transformational transactions.
When we look at capital expenditure you'll see it's run at, as I say, 7% of revenue in the
half. The more notable things to call out there is our software development costs
reduced because we completed our work on MiFID II in 2017, that system has now gone
live and so we need to invest less than that. And secondly you'll see money being
invested into EQ USA, predominantly in the period actually driven on infrastructure
where we're setting up datacentres to host our applications.
When we look at our tax assets they remain very substantial, just under £780m. You'll
note if you go back and look in our accounts they have grown quite a lot on the period
as well. And that is because EQ USA is an asset transaction. And what happens in North
America is if you do an asset transaction the acquired intangibles and goodwill all get tax
relief, regardless of whether they go through your P&L or not. So that's a substantial tax
asset for us. We will take benefit of that in the cash tax that we pay over the next 15
years.
We have repeated our guidance on cash tax rates as well, so we're expecting a 13% for
the current year and the following year and it will then rise to 17%, is the best guidance
that we have. And that growth is driven by a mixture of completing the work and costs
of integrating EQ USA, but also the growth that we expect to come through in EQ USA as
we complete our integration programme, drive through the synergies we've talked about
and enjoy growth in the asset.
Leverage is reported at 2.8 times, being our measure of net debt to EBITDA and as Guy
touched on if we look at that on a pro forma basis, i.e. looking at the previous 12
months trading with EQ USA it's running at 2.5 times, so flat to what we reported at the
year end. It will remain flat for this year as we continue and complete the work on EQ
USA and then it will continue its downward trajectory as we go into 2019.
You'll also see that we have substantial undrawn RCF facilities and cash in the Group, at
the end of June these are £212m giving us lots of optionality to fund the business and
support growth as we go forwards.
And then just finally with IFRS 15, obviously we gave some disclosure about this at the
year end, no change obviously to what we reported, the accounts, as you'd expect, are
now fully IFRS 15 compliant. There are a couple of small differences on how we account
for things that we have been clear about in the statement and in the slide here that
you'll see and you'll see the impact on the accounts is minimal.
Thank you, I'm now going to hand back to Guy and then we'll go through any questions
as normal at the end. Thank you.
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Business and Strategic Update
Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Thanks John. So I'm now going to share some comments on the performance of our
trading divisions through the first half of 2018, a short update on strategy, performance
by division and then in particular progress with our US integration, finally of course
comments on guidance and on outlook.
In terms of strategy we continue to make good credible progress against the strategy we
set out at the time of the IPO. As I have mentioned before we are a business of
specialists not a business of generalists. We're not outsourcers in the conventional
sense. And that proprietary technology, deep treasured relationships and dedicated
teams of professionals allows the business to grow, irrespective of the moves in the
broader economic environment.
Since the time of the IPO we have grown revenues that are cumulative growth rate a
CAGR of 12% and of that 12%, 4.5% is organic and about 7% through M&A. Although
there are inevitable cyclical moves that push our organic growth up and down the
demand for non-discretionary services remains high. So that progress now has been
sustained over six reporting periods.
One of the real strengths of the Group and the strengths of the model is both the
ownership of technology and the ownership and stewardship of the data that resides on
that technology. This allows us to operate true platform characteristics, stretch our
EBITDA margins and turn importantly regulatory change to our advantage and we'll talk
a little bit about that in a moment.
So important proof points to start if I may. Our most important revenue channel is the
growth of sales to our existing clients and that's important because those revenue
channels are generally uncontested. And over the first half we've renewed all of our UK
share registers, just as we did in 2017. Key renewals there in Carnival, EasyJet, GSK
and Prudential.
Similarly in the United States we've renewed all of our major share registers, including
General Electric, now extended for seven years, J.P. Morgan, our largest client, 3M and
MDU our anchor client going back to 1929.
We have sold our regulatory and our payment capabilities to Banco Santander, to Lloyds,
to Ulster Bank and our risk factor receivables platform has now been sold to three US
banks in the period.
We have undertaken some very large remediation and fulfilment projects for major UK
banks and to pre-empt a question the growth here isn't being driven by PPI, these are
other products that are being remediated and we'll talk about that in a moment too.
Now over the half we're delighted that nine new clients have moved to us for share
registration or share plans. And that is an unusual dynamic, this is a market that's quite
sticky, where contract churn is quite low, but we are delighted that we've taken nine
new clients in in the period. And during that same period we have been involved in the
listing of 70% of main market IPOs, including Avast and Anexo. And you know what
September looks like it's going to be pretty bust too in terms of new issuance. Put
simply more clients are choosing Equiniti than ever before in our listed history.
Our Pensions business has been winning new contracts with the UK Atomic Energy
Authority and with the Combined Nuclear Pension plans; although revenues have been
soft there there is a building momentum on new business wins that will come through in
due course. We continue to develop and to acquire new capabilities at the foundation for
our future growth. Boudicca Proxy we touched on before which will grow in the back of
renewed interest in shareholder activism has been mentioned. And we'll talk about the
US Transfer Agency in just a few minutes.
We have also during the period launched a Tell Us Once platform for UK retail banking.
This is a service that helps UK banks integrate inbound customer contact over end of life
and bereavement. We are now providing that to six UK banks. And we have also made
really good progress in building a functional blockchain registration solution, using the
IBM Hyper Ledger technology; we'll talk about that too.
Operating leverage continues to drive benefits in EBITDA and in service excellence.
We're relatively low in terms of our offshoring as you know, at the moment we're about
16% offshored. So there is lots to go at in terms of building the costs there. And our
ability to exercise the platform is a real defence against cost inflation and against price
compression.
We see many opportunities to stretch the margins over time and we'll continue to do
that. We've now got 800 people operating in our centre in Chennai and we're pleased to
announce the opening of a new technology centre in Bangalore which we will launch in
the third quarter of this year.
Cash generation is still strong and John has talked about that in some detail. That gives
us the capacity both to invest in our own software, invest in the infrastructure and also
to acquire new differentiating capabilities and to continue to move the dividend of
course.
So for the near term the UK remains our mainstay, the strategy remains whole, remains
intact, but we really see the US as an exciting place to diversify our revenues.
If we talk for a moment about some common themes, as I have said before Equiniti is a
tech company, this is technology services; this is the combination of proprietary
platforms, data, analytics and skill to create solutions that react to regulatory problems,
to solve problems that clients can't solve economically by themselves. And this model of
regulated specialism as opposed to BPO you know it has never been more relevant as
our clients work hard to comply with new regulations.
Since the financial crisis ten years ago there have been 100 new regulations introduced
in the UK just in financial services and these create a drag on all of our clients. They
create a drag on as well of course, we have to invest, but they create an opportunity to
launch new product, to digitise customer experience and to find ways of reducing costs.
So these themes of regulation, digitisation that's what unifies our operating divisions,
that's what justifies our tech spend and that defines the space where we operate.
We'll talk for a few minutes about our divisional mix and about our revenues and how
they play through the divisions. Our portfolio is balanced, balanced across geographies,
balanced across service lines and balanced across revenue types. Firstly, our revenues
for the period are 86% from the UK, 14% from the US. Now that is a balance that we
think will shift over time and we think of this as becoming more 70/30, 70 to the UK, 30
to the US as the American business starts to grow.
As we read across the page the mix to product lines, Investment Solutions, that is share
reg and share plans, that's characterised by high margins, high client fidelity, strong
cash generation. That's around 40% of our revenues, around 30% from Intelligent
Solutions, slightly lower margin but very, very high growth, lots of differentiating
capability and then Pension Solutions is about 26%.
Revenue visibility continues to remain strong and if anything our revenue visibility builds
over time rather than diminishes. We've got very good visibility of the upper end of
revenue consensus for this year and the graphic we show here illustrates the revenue
mix that we have at the beginning of any trading year. Broadly 50% of our revenues
come from existing clients and contracted, recurring non-discretionary fee income. So
firm fee income.
About 30% of our revenues come from projects and most of those projects are with our
existing clients asking us to deal with corporate events, or deal with new regulatory
issues. Around 10% of our revenue is transactional, but I'd say that that transactional
revenue is also very, very dependable, this is foreign exchange on pension payments
made each month and every month. This is proceeds and dealing fees made on shares
that vest from share plans that deal each month and every month. So our transactional
revenues have a very high defensive characteristic also.
And then as we enter each year we've got about 10% to do, 10% of our revenues to
find. That's our revenue mix and it's solidifying as we look forward.
Let me talk a little bit about each of our businesses as we go through and give you some
of the highlights and the lowlights, the headwinds and the tailwinds. Our Boardroom
products sold in Investment Solutions, I mean this business division is going from
strength to strength, we're the largest provider of these services by a very considerable
margin now, very high levels of accuracy, very high levels of client retention. This is the
cornerstone of our franchise with the listed market.
Revenues are almost entirely from within those established relationships and the model
is relatively resistant to the economic cycle. 70% of revenue is contracted and almost
all of it comes from those existing relationships, that's the key point.
Since the float this business has delivered a revenue CAGR, that's really an organic
CAGR of 4.5% consistently year on year and is also driven by a number of structural
drivers. Share plans are becoming more popular and better populated and here we've
been able to harness the effects of MiFID II. So MiFID II has forced us, has required us
to create digital relationships with our customers, we've got 5.4 million retail customers
in the Group and we now need to digitise those relationships.
So MiFID, although it has cost us circa £10m to adapt our systems, will put between
£1.5m and £2m of additional revenue into the Group through that digitisation into the
Group, through that digitisation in this period, in this year - forgive me.
Our market wins and the growth of share here doesn't really make much difference for
2018. But new clients underpin our growth for the future. I'm very proud to welcome
nine new clients into the Group and we're particularly pleased to be operating now all of
the share plans for National Grid, one of the largest and most complex issuers of equity
in the UK, a very complex assignment. And we have got a few more of these
opportunities that we hope to be able to tell you about as the year unfolds.
There has been lots of M&A activity in the market and M&A for us means corporate
actions. So in the first half there has been the spinoff of Old Mutual and Quilter, the
takeover of Shire has been announced by Takeda, GKN and Melrose of course, Virgin
Money and Clydesdale, the delisting of Fidessa - the takeover of Fidessa and the
delisting of Zoopla. These mandates are typical of the kind of work we do week in week
out. And importantly this work is originated from within those relationships. And as I
mentioned we're very pleased to have 70% of main market companies coming into us
through IPO, they are our clients of the future.
Our Intelligent Solutions business is really making some new markets here. We've had a
fantastic period of organic growth, no doubt about that, 34% organic growth. I mean
that is not a sustainable level that we expect to maintain. But this will always be our
fastest growing division and we guide you to low double digit growth as being the right
kind of balance here. And you see that we've grown in excess of 10% year on year
CAGR since the time of the IPO.
To tell you a little bit more about what we do here, we've got four core services lines in
Intelligent Solutions. Firstly, regulatory remediation with end to end processing of
complaints, remediation and redress on our core technology, our Charter platform and
that platform is used by very many UK banks, including Banco Santander and Lloyds
Banking Group.
We operate loan origination and servicing, we provide that on our core and Ice Net
platforms we do this for UK banks, the largest UK bank. We service loans and provide
technology for motor dealers, for retailers, for Admiral, for Motonovo, for Ikea.
A recent thematic is the new focus on the anti-money laundering regulations, AML 4 and
we have proprietary technology here, Passport, that allows institutions to improve their
on boarding of clients, but also to remediate the KYC of clients. And we have sold the
technology now to Bank of Ireland, for the UK and for Ireland and to Ulster Bank for the
UK and Ireland. We are also providing data and analytics, you know, driven clearly by
GDPR.
Each of these capabilities is driven by regulatory change, MiFID, GDPR and whilst of
course regulations require us to invest our model gives us revenue opportunities from
those investments.
To share a topical example with GDPR we have created a breach reporting system and
we're pleased to say that we've now sold that data breach reporting system to the
Information Commissioners Office, who themselves are responsible for the regulations
around breach reporting. So the tech is really, really useful. And it's that that drives the
margin, drives the incremental margin.
Revenues here are a little bit more project based and you know what we need to do with
this business is make that revenue mix much, much more - around managed service,
make it more defensive and get that growth rate smoothed out and that's what we're
working to do. But the great news is there is opportunity here.
The Pension Solutions business also enjoys a strong market position. The number one
provider of public sector pensions, number two in the private market, continue to
operate the schemes - or much of the schemes for the National Health Service and for
the armed forces. We serve nine million pensioners and annuitants and there is a real
heritage of service here. The majority of these revenues are contracted, that's the good
news.
The challenge of course is that this space is contested. In registration we're the largest
of three, in pensions we're one of five. So here we've had competitive pressure. The
decision we've taken, and we've always been clear about this, is we're not a price
competitor. So we want to protect our margins because we've got a quality business.
So that means we've had revenue erosion, we've had contract losses. So at the same
time we've got wins of course which I mentioned with the Atomic Energy schemes.
So at the macro level pensions is a good place to be, there is no question about that.
The demographic of the United Kingdom I'm afraid is that we're all getting older, that
means more pensioners and that must mean more pensions. So you know the mid term
view of the pensions market is good, but for now it's a bit congested. So revenues have
shrunk, not quite as much as we feared they could, but nonetheless there has been a
decline this year which will trough out through '18 and then the business will return to
growth.
Let me say a few words if I may about the acquisition of Wells Fargo Shareowner
Services, the transaction to acquire Wells Fargo Shareowner Services was executed -
was signed in July of '17 and we completed on the 1st of February this year. This is a
terrific business, no question about that. We have got an industry leading team of
professionals running it, the very best standards of service and loads of innovation and
fresh thinking.
To diversify our revenues into the US and to do it with clients like Berkshire Hathaway,
with J.P. Morgan, with General Electric, that's a really exciting opportunity to build a
proper multinational growth opportunity. We're very, very pleased with what we've
bought and we're very pleased with how the integration is progressing.
To talk about the revenue mix this is also very, very contracted. So very high levels of
visibility, lots of recurring monthly fee income that comes from very, very high fidelity
relationships. Now, as you can see on the slide there has been a decline in revenues in
the first six months of about 6% that's rather a decline in our first five months of owning
the business.
Let me tell you why that is, there are two things here. Firstly, there is a strong comp in
2017, with more corporate actions in the first half of '17 than we've seen in '18 and that
comp will reverse during the course of this year. Also, we've seen some price
compression and we've seen some client attrition. Smaller clients in the main, but we're
through that. So the revenues are stabilised and the business is now in a position to
return to both organic growth and to accelerating margin performance.
You can see though that the margins have progressed well in the second half and that is
an important point for us. We've got good cost management here and we've got a very
well-executed carve out and that has allowed us to grow our margins organically by
5.6%, despite the compression in the top line.
So let me talk for a minute about the integration. And as I say this integration is
proceeding well. Firstly, most importantly, we're on track to deliver the integration of
the business and to deliver the synergies that we committed at the time of
announcement of £10m of recurring run rate synergy in our second full year of
ownership, that's 2020. Those synergies will be delivered and we've confidence in that
and that will be done within the £42m cost of change that we told you at the time of the
deal. So we are absolutely within the envelope. And as you can see from the margin
acceleration in 2018, those synergies are starting to come through as we get the
business under good cost management.
To share a little bit more colour around what's going on on the ground, a bit more detail
about the actual change programme, firstly our regulatory change programme has been
delivered, that's the first bar here on the chart. So we have created a trust company
bank in New York State, we have permissioned it also the state of Minnesota, we are in
the process now of permissioning it in the state of Wisconsin. Those structures are fully
operating and that establishment has been entirely seamless.
Day one transition, that was Thursday 1st of February was delivered seamlessly, so
that's a full transfer of the staff into our business, a full re-plumping of the payment
flows, the operating flows, everything that you need to run the business. So I can tell
you and my clients have told me that there was no disruption to service on that first day.
The business is in and the business is operating.
Over this first five months of ownership we have worked hard to deploy new systems,
we've deployed new HR systems to pay, to train, to develop, to manage our team of
professionals, new finance systems to run our accounts of course and to manage the
business with great control. And also new CRM systems to track our market
opportunities, to track how we manage our pipeline. So the integration of those
American businesses is now very closely aligned with the UK business, we run the
businesses in the same way.
We have commissioned a second site, or selected a second site in Milwaukee in the state
of Wisconsin that will be a 250 to 300 seat site. That give us disaster recovery, but it
also gives us the ability to grow out our new service lines. And that site will be
operating at the end of the third quarter.
Our US data centres are built, one in Minneapolis the other in Chicago, so all our IT
resilience is in there and working. The initial release of our core Sirius platform is now
deployed in the US and that code base as a foundation for future development is in,
tested, and working.
Our attention now of course is to do that two things that matter and the two things that
matter are improving the service that we deliver to our clients, but also delivering the
synergy case that we commited to that market and both of those will be delivered.
Our primary attention is to now complete our separation from Wells Fargo and that is the
primary means to drive those synergies. We intend to get that work completed in the
first quarter of 2019. And that will be parallel with the launch of new services both for
share issuers and for share owners. The clear feedback that we've got from the client
base and the issuer base is that people want new web services. So those are what we're
building and those will be done in the first quarter.
The migration of clients from the legacy system of record to Equiniti's platforms will
commence once those new services are out and once that separation is complete. We'll
start that work in 2019 and we'll do it through 2020 and we'll do it aligned with our
client calendars, that's the key thing. We can do this when it suits our clients; we've got
the time and the space to do this integration in a thoughtful, careful way, but delivering
the synergies that we've committed.
Now this process, this large business process isn't just about integration, isn't just about
separation, critically it's about growth, it's about returning the business to growth and
driving our range of products that we have here in the UK out into the US. We have
already got organic plans underway to grow share plan products, proxy solicitation
products and assets reunification products. And those new service lines will be
delivering revenues in the first quarter of '19.
So let me say a few words about outlook if I may before we turn to questions from the
room and the telephone. 2018 has started very well for Equiniti and we're very pleased
both with strong organic growth, with cash generation, with margin progression.
Accordingly the full year performance is expected to be at or above the upper end of the
consensus range that's in the market right now.
We are pleased to have built our market share, we are pleased to be maintaining the
very highest levels of client fidelity, we're delighted to have the opportunity to serve new
clients, both transferring from our competitors and we expect more to come in the
second half.
The entry to the US is a really solid one, it's a fantastic business sold to us by a solid
long term partner. In the mid term of course our core priority is to complete that
integration, but as we do so there are many, many opportunities to grow out the new
products. We really will deliver these commitments.
Equiniti, it's a business that's differentiated, it's technology led, and we've got continuing
programmes to grow our margin, so EBITDA margins will expand. The core drivers of
growth remain intact. This business is driven by regulation and our markets are the
most regulated in the world, we invested in regulation here in the United Kingdom, there
are lots of opportunities for us to go at here. We remain focused on these complicated
spaces, on technology and on data and the skill of our specialist colleagues will drive that
growth forward.
For the foreseeable future we see the resilient characteristics of the business continuing,
modest, yet sustainable mid single digit organic growth, supplemented by a favourable
interest rate environment both here and in the United States. There are very strong
prospects of value creation and the Board and Management look forward to the year
ahead with confidence.
So thank you for your attention during this slightly longer presentation this morning. Of
course John and I remain very grateful for your support and we're very pleased to take
questions here in the room and on the telephone. Thank you, please the first question.
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Questions and Answers
Robert Chantry, Berenberg Hi, just a couple of questions. Firstly, on the US market, could you just give a broader
update on the wider market environment, specifically growth rates in certain areas, you
mentioned pricing pressure, which competitors that's from, why that's coming in, etc?
And secondly you talked about the stabilisation of revenues in Wells Fargo, clearly they
declined 6.7 pro forma in the first half, could you give a kind of exit rate from the first
half, in terms of was most of the decline seen in the February/March period and has
since stabilised and just the dynamics around that? Thank you.
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Sure, so I mean I think the thing to say about the services business - businesses - is
there is always a period of uncertainty when the doors are open. So we had quite a long
period from the announcement of the transaction in July 2017 and actually getting it
completed in February 2018 because we had to secure all of our permissions.
So when the doors are open like that, you're always vulnerable to your competitors
targeting your client base. And that is exactly what we've seen in reverse when Capita
told their registration business; you know we had a significant inflow kind of the other
way. So the two key competitors are Broadridge, US listed and Computershare
Australian listed. And of course their teams have been out in our client base.
I think it's right to say that the US market is a little bit more price sensitive than the UK
market. So when I think about that 6% decline that we've had it has principally
happened in the first quarter of this year rather than the second quarter. About half of it
has been driven by comp, i.e. corporate actions in the prior period and say 3% organic
decline has been broadly half price compression and half client loss.
Now we've lost some clients, no question about that, of the 650 odd clients we have
we've lost about 20, but very, very small price sensitive clients. That trend is now
finished; we don't feel that pressure nearly so much as we have done. So our
expectation is our exit rate into the second half is much more comfortable and the
business will be back on a stable footing in the second half. Does that hit the question?
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Robert Chantry, Berenberg That's a good answer.
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Great, thanks. Ed?
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Ed Steele, Citi Morning, a couple of questions on the same issue please. So you've been taking price
cuts on large re-bids to keep your clients, why will you not see more price cuts as other
re-bids come up for tender? So why are you so sure that you've reached the bottom?
First question, thanks.
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Okay, do you want to give me all of them and I'll do them?
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Ed Steele, Citi Second question, in your May update you said that the migration of clients was starting
in the third quarter. Two months later you are saying that it's not going to start this
year it's more like '19 or '20, so what's changed in the last two months please?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Okay, so let me take both of those. The characteristic of the market is that there is very
high client fidelity, so there is relatively low contract churn. So you know when we talk
about contract churn and clients moving this is always in the margin, this is always small
percentage points.
As I said to Rob, I think the US market is a little bit more price sensitive, but the
opportunity for the churn to happen comes in the sort of interregnum between
announcing the transaction and concluding it. So we have now been able to be much
more front footed about our plans there with our client base now that we own the
business. I have been out to see most, if not all of the senior clients, the major clients,
and many of the mid tier clients and they are very satisfied with the plan that they have
for us.
Now through that process they have given us a clear message. The clear message they
have given us is look take your time with moving our data around, but give us some new
product, so give us some new digital interfaces so that our shareholders can access their
accounts and process their transactions in a more digital and connected way and also
that we can see as share issuers MI and data on platform, rather than needing to use
the telephone.
So we have shifted our gaze a little bit, that’s quite right and we have shifted our gaze
from the core system of record, you know where the data is kept, to how we build out
the service. Now the platform is there in the US, we have built it and we've actually got
clients on it. But we are running the business currently on the old system of record and
we don't see any rush to drive that migration forward because the synergies come from
the costs that we displaced from improving operational processes, from disconnecting
ourselves from Wells Fargo, where there's lots of friction and inefficiency in the
transitional service arrangements that exist. And most importantly we can give our
clients what they want a little bit quicker.
So this isn't a change of plan, it's more a change of emphasis, what we want to do is
give our client what they want a bit quicker. Does that hit the question?
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Ed Steele, Citi I still don't quite understand - I mean it's two months since you last talked and it's
changed quite dramatically and clearly you've gone and renegotiated with SunGard to
get a lower price for the ongoing delivery. So you've obviously had a process to go
through to change your mind, I'm just trying to work out exactly what has catalysed that
change of view please?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
So all development programmes, all business programmes, all major projects are
operated through a continual review of extant risk within a project. And we review the
risks in this programme week on week. And look I mean straightforwardly we've got
two jobs we've got to do here, well three jobs, build out some new services, separate
from Wells Fargo and also migrate data onto our new system of record.
As we look at that dynamically, we think, you know what nobody benefits from
accelerating the migration of that data, nobody at all, it's just data sitting on a platform.
All our clients want is new product quicker, what we want is to separate from our vendor
quicker, so as we've dynamically assessed the risks as we've worked forward, we
deprioritised one activity and accelerated another.
And I think that's good project discipline and I think I feel much more confident saying
that I can review and assess plans in real time and do the right thing for customers than
slavishly do something that might turn out to be wrong.
Can I take further questions?
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Rahim Karim, Liberum
A couple of questions if I may, we've talked a lot about platforms in the US, if you could
help us understand what you're doing in terms of people and building our management
team to ensure that the eye is kept on the ball there that would be great?
Changing tact a little bit and moving back to the UK, obviously Intelligent Solutions had
a great first half, if you could help us understand exactly what areas of remediation work
you're winning, perhaps maybe break out what the growth has been in terms of PPI and
non-PPI that would be quite helpful?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Definitely, okay good. So I think what I'll say first is we're going to do a capital markets
day later in the year where we'll introduce you to some of our US management team and
I think that will be an important engagement. We have retained all of the leadership of
our US business and they are very, very high quality.
The gentleman who runs our business, Todd May is the President of the US's Stock
Transfer Agent Society; you know an industry authority, very, very high integrity, very
high energy, very motivated. But around him we've built new folk and we've hired as
example a new General Counsel who has got a lot of detailed experience in the US
equity market. We have hired a very senior professional from the New York Stock
Exchange who is the de facto expert in America on corporate action processing. We
have hired professionals in the asset unification space who understand tracing and asset
allocation. We've hired very experienced professionals in the proxy space. So what
we're doing is building our bench up here so that as we talk to our clients and engage
we've got more conversations to have and more things to sell to them.
So - and that's why I say that the excitement of this opportunity is to have those
franchises with these very, very good long term relationships with US names and have
more things to talk to them about. Previously this is a business that could only talk
about one service, about share registration and they could only talk about it to Wells
Fargo banking clients. That's the diversification we have here.
Taking your second question Rahim about Intelligent Solutions, what's driving growth
here - I mean I think there are two things. Last year the business ran a little bit slower
than we thought it would and we've talked about that. There were some projects that
were delayed; we've got those projects into service now.
What tends to happen is - talking about remediation in particular, a regulator will place a
deadline upon bank and as that deadline looms closer so they want to get stuff done.
The kind of things we're doing - I'll give you some examples, we're doing PePs and
sanctions processing for a major UK bank. We're remediating mortgages for a major UK
bank. We're remediating bundled bank accounts for a major UK bank. All different
banks by the way.
Now, it's right to talk about PPI because everybody asks us about it, PPI is not a large
part of the business, it's about £2.5m to £3.5m of profit, it's that kind of level. But what
I can say is this, our PPI revenues are relatively stable, they have grown a little bit, a
little bit but not much, a couple of million quid or thereabouts.
Now, many of you will know if you follow the sector there was a Supreme Court ruling
last year Plevin, Plevin versus Paragon Financial Services and that has extended the
deadline for PPI claims to the 29th of August 2019. So I mean I can't foretell the future
but I think PPI claims will grow for a bit through 2019 and then certainly will be
processed through 2020.
So there is more in the PPI market to come, no question about that, but where we're
seeing growth in Intelligent Solutions is from other product lines, the remediation of
other products.
If one were to look forward a little bit more I think there will be bulk remediation in the
pension sector where pension freedoms have perhaps been exposed to regulatory
challenge as an example and similarly in the travel sector, in the utility sector, so those
core capabilities and this isn't about resourcing, it's about platform to be able to solve
regulatory problems. I think there's lots to go at. Does that get the question?
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Rahim Karim, Liberum
It does, can I maybe just ask one more in terms of accrued income, you talk about the
mismatch between booking revenues and costs versus invoicing. Are there any
examples of where you've booked revenues or cost and then had a dispute with the
client over the level of invoicing?
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John Stier, Chief Financial Officer
No, which is why the level of bad debts is just miniscule.
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
And our day sales outstanding, our relative debtors if you like are very, very stable
through the history of the company. Thanks Rahim.
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Paul Sullivan, Barclays
Hi, so just to be clear when does the relationship with SunGard terminate?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
The relationship with SunGard is extensible for five years. So that will be until - we'll
ask John for the precise data.
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John Stier, Chief Financial Officer
What we've got Paul is optionality, so if we want to full it through to its full course we
can run that through to March 2020 - I beg your pardon, March '22, so we've got that
optionality. But I think what we've tried to do as Guy has touched on is have optionality
so that we can do things that suit ourselves and our clients at a timescale that's best for
us.
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Paul Sullivan, Barclays So the likelihood of that being exercised has gone up?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Oh for sure, yeah for sure. Because we're resequencing if you like, reprioritising how
we're approaching the problem.
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Paul Sullivan, Barclays
But there's no implications on the delivery of savings?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
No, gosh no.
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John Stier, Chief Financial Officer
So what happens Paul to give you a bit more colour, is that there will be a lower
proportion of the savings through SunGard but there is still substantial savings through
SunGard because we've been able to negotiate that far better than what the business
has paid in the past. But then what we've also found in the business is lots of other
opportunities, some of that through things like third party procurement, some of it is
looking at far more automation with the people, with the core system of record that we
can drive through.
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
So when we think about the system SunGard and Sirius is a bit in the middle but how
the business work is an end to end continuum of processing. So to colour it with an
example the UK, where we get tens or scores of thousands of letters every day we have
big industrial scanning machines, you know the width of this room that ingest post and
scan it and digitise it and workflow it at great scale.
Our colleagues in the United States scan documents like you would do them at home on
your kitchen table. So we've purchased all the scanning equipment and automation to
automate all that workflow into the business. And that is one example, there are many
other examples. So it's the automation of those business processes that give us the
acceleration of the synergies. And you see some of that coming into the results.
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Paul Sullivan, Barclays
And it certainly does impact your ability to launch new services; I thought some of those
were dependent on the transition or the migration?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
No not really. So I mean if we think about proxy for instance, proxy is driven by - you
need a list and you've got a list in either system. Asset reunification is driven by a list.
So could we make those services go a little bit quicker at a slightly higher margin on a
different platform? We could, but the quickest way to business value is to get the
services built and launched. And we can do that with the plan that we've got.
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Paul Sullivan, Barclays And then secondly, with interest rates going up in the US is there a greater sense that
you'll have to share some of the upside with your customers?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
No I don't think so, no we don't sense that.
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Paul Sullivan, Barclays And that's not exacerbating the pricing pressure, so what you're gaining on one hand
through higher interest rates you're giving back on the pricing?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
No, not the case.
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Paul Sullivan, Barclays And then just finally in the UK, corporate actions very strong in the first half, what does
that imply for the - what's going on in terms of the growth in the core registration and
the share plan's businesses; it feels like that growth is quite low at the moment?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Well that growth is always going to be low because there's relatively little liquidity as
we've always said. Both core reg and share plans are growing but low single digit, the
single digit-ness is driven by corporate actions. But what I would say is that the
corporate actions that we all know about that are in the market in the first half will
obviously complete in the second half, or maybe even in the beginning of '19, so there's
a kind of sold pipeline if you like of value that will come through, Shire and Takeda being
an example.
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Paul Sullivan, Barclays Just finally, in terms of the growth guidance for the second half are you willing to sort of
share any sort of divisional thoughts in terms of organic performance?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
I think it's not appropriate to give organic guidance by division for the second half, but
what we will say is we're going to come at or above the consensus that's in the market.
All of the division - sorry the divisions that are growing will continue to grow, Intelligent
Solutions will turn down a little bit. Investment Solutions should be kind of where it is at
the moment. And Pensions, as I said, is troughing out. So a comparable mix but with a
lesser overall organic growth I think is the expectation.
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John Stier, Chief Financial Officer
And we've got a higher compare Paul, particularly in Intelligent Solutions in the second
half of the year.
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Yeah exactly, so the momentum is there but the comp is different.
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Christopher Bamberry, Peel Hunt
Just going back to the resequencing, you're still going to hit the 10 million, does that
mean when you actually have the migration there's potential synergies in 2020 through
the migration of platform or not? Or similarly are there extra costs if you're launching
new products I guess on the existing system and then having to migrate, does that
cancel that out - just to understand the kind of - ?
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John Stier, Chief Financial Officer
There's a mix Chris, look I think what we're not going to do is get ahead of ourselves on
talking expectations up, you know what we've said and been clear, we're very
comfortable with the $10m of synergy opportunity. Could the business - look it could
but we're not going to talk it up at this point. What we want to do is get to that point,
make sure we're delivering and really drive on meeting customer needs and get the top
line kicked on. I think that's the right way to think about it today.
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
But it would also be right to say that we're very comfortable with the numbers that are
in the market and you would be right to conclude that there are many opportunities
there.
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Christopher Bamberry, Peel Hunt
Secondly you mentioned blockchain works, could you expand a little more on that?
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, so we've - there's a lot of talk in the market about blockchain and the challenge
for us as a business is to say look is there real business value here or it is just kind of
aspirins looking for headaches? So we've built one.
So we have a replica of our share register, our registration platform running in
blockchain right here right now, I can show it to you after the presentation. And what
we're now doing is saying look is that technology actually viable for deployment in any of
our core businesses? And we don't know yet frankly, but we're trying to find out and it's
really interesting.
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Christopher Bamberry, Peel Hunt
Thank you.
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Guy Wakeley, Chief Executive Officer
Thanks Chris, any more questions in the room or on the telephone?
Okay, then thank you very much for your attention during this presentation. John and I
are very grateful for your support. Have a great day, thank you very much.
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