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1/9

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YC@AD[PC DKN CQKP

\AIKBTKCNKAXCBDPK


2/9

Nc fkbkrciab dkn 06 bg krc ubc

ksiuknc, sabg ub frupg dk ceafgs

Cnkaxcbdrk? Ekabinabg cbtk ngstrc`cocdgrks dknsu`dkscrrgnng

Takbk nc scnud dknaicdc, kn cnec dknaicdc, nc

vgz dknaicdc. Takbk \aikbtk Cnkaxcbdrk pcnc-

`rcs bukvcs kb kn pkbsceakbtg. Nnkvc \aikbtk

Cnkaxcbdrk euihgs cgs vakbdg nuiks das-

tabtcs icdc eccbc, dksiu`rakbdg ub bukvg

cecbkikr kb icdc gsiuradcd. Cec \aikbtk

Cnkaxcbdrk icdc igbikptg igb tgdc su prg-lubdadcd dk vadc. Cec kn vavar, kn skr. Kn skr

vavg. Nc hgbdurc dkn kxastar.

\aikbtk Cnkaxcbdrk sk kbiukbtrc chgrc dkb-

trg dk ub iucdrg. [b iucdrg abekbsg quk

giupc tgdc nc pcrkd. Q ngs gogs czunks quaktgs,

dgs gncs abevanks. Kn ecr. Ksk ecr kbtk-

rrcdg kb Yge`rc dkn pcrcsg.

Bg hcy grks kb nc iaudcd.

-Su gr prkkrk \aikbtk Cnkaxcbdrk7

-Ncs sanvkstrks kb kn icepg.

Ks dk bgihk. Bg hcy pocrgs.

-Su pocrg prkkrk \aikbtk Cnkaxcbdrk7


3/9

-Kn fuanc kb na`krtcd.

Kst tgdg gsiurg cnrkdkdgr.

-Su igngr prkkrk \aikbtk Cnkaxcbdrk7

-Kn czun kb kn ecr.

Bg sk gykb ruadgs Q sa tgdg kstuvakrc

eukrtg7

-Dgb \aikbtkIeg nk fustcrc egrar7

-Igb cikptciab

Q tgdg kst kb pcz.

FKBKPCIAB

Krcb tgdgs pgktcs. Krcb tgdgs ovkbks y

tgdgs ceafgs.

-rcegs nc fkbkrciab dkn vkbtasaktk ...

Bg krc ubc ksiuknc. rcegs ub frupg dk

ceafgs. Kstc ceastcd hc igbtabucdg c trc-

vs dkn takepg, c trcvs dk fukrrcs y kxa-

nags. Cqu g kb nc gtrc grannc dkn Ctnbtaig.

Ykfuaegs sakbdg ceafgs, cubquk cnfubgs

hcb eukrtg. Nc pgksc.. . tkbcegs ubc

igeubadcd dk skbtaeakbtgs hciac knnc,

oubtg c ubc bukvc kxafkbiac kb su ksira-

turc.

-Zkrg lukrgb knks7 Lukrgb knks hcstc

kn ntaeg egekbtg7

-Kn pgktc ks kn hge`rk. Ks rkigblgrtcbtk

pkbscr quk kn pgktc ks kn hge`rk . Cn skr

knks c nc pgksc luaegs knks cn hge`rk

pgrquk kb ksc citavadcd ks kskbiacn ksc

igabiadkbiac.

-Zcs yc euihg takepg, dgb \ikbtk...

-Zkrg bg sk hc sadg ablakn... Laknks c ngs

igbvkbiaeakbtgs, c ncs igbvaiiagbks y c

ngs skbtaeakbtgs.

-Kn praekr na`rg, eàtg, sk pu`nai kb

ean bgvkiakbtgs vkabtagihg ... Kbtgbikskxastc ubc rkvastc quk sk hazg lcegsc,

Natgrcn, quk darafcb Keanag Zrcdgs y

Ecbukn Cntgncfuarrk Su hgrazgbtks dks-

iu`ra c cquknngs ovkbks pgktcs7

-Kb knnc, kb ignkiiab kdatgracn, pu`nai

Fcric Ngric su skfubdg n`rg, Icbiag-

bks, Pclckn Cn`krta, Nc cecbtk, y Ikr-

budc Zkrn dkn cark... Qg, ea praekr na`rg.

Zgr iakrtg, tuvk quk pcfcr nc eatcd dk

nc kdaiab. Knngs tkbcb ubc aeprkbtannc y

krcb fkbkrgssaegs, pkrg c vkiks kn kdatcdg

tkbc quk cyudcr cn kdatgr. Qc nk hk daihg

quk rcegs tgdgs euy ceafgs y vavcegs

pcrc nc vadc kb praekr treabg y pcrc su

kxprksab quk krc nc pgksc . Chgrc tce-

àb hcy frupgs, tceàb hcy fkbtk ogvkb.Kstgy vakbdg bcikr ubc bukvc fkbkrciab

y ek dc fustg vkr quk knngs sk ùsicb, sk

cfrupcb y sk sgndcrzcb.

-[stkd bg hc vastg sng ubc fkbkrciab,

ustkd hc vastg euihcs fkbkrciagbks dk

pgktcs irkikr `cog su sge`rc dksdk cquknnc

pgic kb quk kn prglksgr Cnkaxcbdrk kxpna-


4/9

ic`c nc csafbcturc dk Dkrkihg Ekricbtan

kb nc Ksiuknc Yupkragr dk Igekriag Su

sakbtk chgrc cn nkkr sus praekrcs g`rcs, sus

praekrgs pgkecs7

-Yakeprk hk vastg irkikr fkbkrciagbks

ikric sc`k7 Ks kegigbcbtk vkr nc cpc-

raiab dk ubc fkbkrciab bukvc y vkrnc

rkbgvcr kn pcbgrcec, trckr cnfg dastabtg,

cnfg lrksig... Ks ub kspkitiung igrdacn.

Q nc easec vgz, vakbtg dk ngs cgs. Q ub

pgkec, Znkbatud...

[bc tcrdk dk gtgg icdc dkn giiadkbtk

kxcitcekbtk igeg nc easec praecvkrc.

ZGKYC

Nc pgksc hc sulradg ubc trcbslgreciab,

ubc kvgnuiab...

-Nc pgksc, durcbtk ubc pgriab dk

takepg, hc ctrcvkscdg ubc ktcpc, keabkb-

tkekbtk taic, quk sk igbgik igb kn bge`rk

dk pgksc sgiacn y quk kb kstk egekbtg yc

sk hc incusurcdg. Hc sadg ubc ktcpc kb

nc quk hc dgeabcdg nc pgksc egrcn quk

earc`c hcic ubc vkrtakbtk dk ncs rknc-iagbks huecbcs. Cubquk ncs igbdaiagbks

sgighstraics bg hcb vcracdg prglubdc-

ekbtk, kb iucbtg c su kxprksab, ngs tkecs

natkrcrags sk fcstcb y kstk tapg dk pgksc

kst fcstcdg igeg tkec natkrcrag Kb su

ecbalkstciab prkskbtk sk pukdk dcr igeg

igbinuadc, pgrquk yc kst kxprkscdc. Ya hc

dk prgngbfcrsk bkiksatc ecbakstcekbtk

ubc rkbgvciab.

-Q kn frcb rkegnabg, nc frcb trcbslgr-

eciab, ncs gncs frcbdks, nc `cocecrkc ...

Iunks sgb ngs egvaeakbtgs dk lnuog y

rkuog dkbtrg dk nc pgksc7

-Nc pgksc g`rc igeg ciiab y rkciiab.

Igeg rkciiab c nc ktcpc sgiacn, euy

rciagbcnastc, dgbdk nc aecfabciab bg ks

kn ctra`utg prabiapcn, cpcrkik nc pgksc

dk nc bukvc fkbkrciab, es aecfabc-

tavc, quk iuntavc nc sgrprksc y nc kxprksab

rrcigbcnastc, oubtcekbtk igb ubc `knnc

daiiab. Yk vuknvk c kstaecr y rkhc`anatcrcnfubgs egvaeakbtgs cbtkragrks lcbts-

taigs. Cnfubgs ovkbks vuknvkb c earcr cn

egdkrbaseg pcrc tgecr dk n ng dksna-

zcbtk, ng quk quaz pgdrcegs icnalaicr

igeg ng iursa, dknarcbtk, cnabkbdgng kb

vcrags dk knngs oubtg c nc kxprksab supk-

rrkcnastc.

-Yk trctc, pgr tcbtg, dk ubc sbtksas kbtrk

kn egdkrbaseg y kn supkrrkcnaseg7

-Y... y tkbkegs kb darkiiagbks dastabtcs

ubc skrak dk pgktcs kb Ecdrad y @crikngbc

igb euihg epktu. Zgr kokepng, Zkdrg

Faelkrrkr, Oucb Nuas Zcbkrg, Funnkreg

Icrbkrg, Cbtgbag Ignabcs, Cbtgbag Icrvc-

ocn, Ecrigs @crbctb, Cbtgbag Npkz Nubc

y cnfubgs es. Dkstcic ub frupg vcnkb-

iacbg, rkfab quk dkspus dk cnfubgs cgs

dk sankbiag kb nc nraic cpcrkik chgrc euy

prgektkdgrc...

Dgb \aikbtk Cnkaxcbdrk y sus dgs earcdcs

trcbspcrkbtks... Su vkb cnrkdkdgr7


5/9

-\kg kb nc ouvkbtud ub rkbciaeakbtg nraig...

sk trctc dk ubc ouvkbtud quk kepakzc c

dkspubtcr igb su kbtusacseg, su abigb-

lgreaseg, su clb dk rkbgvciab. Tgdg knng

hcik igbik`ar euihcs kspkrcbzcs.

Q kst tgdg incrg... y ub pgkec, Ouvkbtud.

Iukrpg vcig, cark pcrcdg, vadrag quk pgr

lukrc nngrc nfraecs dk lrg sab dkskg.

KXZPKYAB

-Su ks nc pgksc7 Bg sk dkshcik kbtrk

rukdcs y tgrbanngs7 Bg pakrdk sus lgrecs

kbtrk bekrgs y lreuncs7

-Nc pgksc ks nc kxprksab dkn hge`rk y,pgr

tcbtg, dk ubc lgrec g dk gtrc ks igepcta`nk

igb ncs igbdaiagbks dk vadc dkn hge`rk. Nc

pgksc ks ubc lgrec dk igbgiaeakbtg, ub

etgdg dk igbgikr, ubcs vkiks es ecyg-

ratcrag quk gtrcs. Kn rgecbtaiaseg ks nc

pgic es ecygratcrac. Dkspus dk cnfubcs

cntkrbctavcs, nc kvgnuiab nraicsk kbvuknvk

prgfrksavcekbtk `cog ub gsiurkiaeakbtg

dk nc kxprksab ysu nkiturc igrrkspgbdk c

eabgrcs...

-Q kb bukstrgs dcs7

-Chgrc, cn cuekbtcr kn bavkn dk vadc ekdag

pcrkik quk kn rcdag dk nc iunturc sk kxtakbdk

y sk hcnnc es ikric g es c daspgsaiab dk

ngs hge`rks.Kstc ks nc rczb dk quk chgrc

dk hkihg sk hc`nk pcrc es fkbtk. Iucbdg

ksira` Zcsab dk nc takrrcnc kxprksab


6/9

rksuntc`c daiuntgsc. Kb ea pgksc yg ek

darafc c ngs hge`rks, c tcbtgs skbtaeakb-

tgs quk ek ubcb c knngs, pkrg c nc vkz tkbc

igbiakbiac dk quk usc`c ub nkbfucok dal-

ian yskpcrcdgr. Zgr kn lgbdg krc ub na`rg

ecygratcrag.Zgr nc lgrec, eabgratcrac

y ngskbtc.Zkrg kn takepg ng rksuknvk tgdg.

Cquknngs na`rgs quk ksira`csab qukrkrng

pcrc iakb g dgsiakbtcspkrsgbcs chgrcsk

kdatcb kb Ceraic pcrc eanncrks. Q ncs

kdaiagbks sk suikdkb... Igb kstg quakrg

dkiar, saepnkekbtk, quk bg hcb iceàcdg

ngs na`rgs,sabg kn abtkrspgr nc pgksc y nc

zgbc dk su rksgbcbiac.

-Ieg sk hcik kn pgktc, dgb \aikbtk7

Ieg sk lgrec7

-Kn pgktc bcik pkrg tceàb sk hcik. Kn

pgktc ks kn hge`rk quk takbkubcs iakr-

tcs lciuntcdks dk igbgikr ekdacbtk ubcsiakrtcs dgtks abtuatavcs quk pgskk. Ycnvg

kstg, bcdc nk ks rkfcncdg. Dk ecbkrc quk

kstcs iucnadcdks takbk quk kokriatcrncs.Ks

absparciabpkrg sg`rk tgdg ks trc`cog, ks

kslukrzg, igeg tgdc citavadcdhuecbc. Qc

kstcegs nkogs dk irkkr quk nc pgksc ks ub

dgb icdg dkn iakng.

-Zkrg nc absparciab...

-Nc absparciab bgsk rkfcnc, hcy quk us-

icrnc, quk ks kn baig egdg dk ekrkikrnc.

Qg nks dafg c ngs ovkbks quk bg hcy quk

kspkrcr c quk kn pgkec icafc dk ubc bu`k.

Hcy quk usicrng. Hcy quk kbigbtrcrng. Kn

pgktc quk sk dkdaic c vavar y kspkrcr naeatckxtrcgrdabcracekbtk su g`rc... pgrquk,

iubtgs pgkecs quk tkbdrc kb su cnec bg

hcb bciadg pgrquk bg ngs hc nncecdg igb

su trc`cog y igb su rkinceciab!

Kn eubdg dk \aikbtk Cnkaxcbdrk ks igeg

ubc pncyc `ncbic.

-Kn pgktc quk sk sakbtc c kspkrcr sab citucr

sg`rk su prgpac lukrzc nraic abiurrk kb

iakrtg egdg kb ubc frcvk rkspgbscànadcd.

Ks nc vgz dkn pgktc... Ks ub pgkec, Huecbcvgz...

Duknk nc iaictraz dk nc nuz, duknk kb kn sukng

nc easec sge`rc dk ngs dakbtks, duknk tgdg,

hcstc kn zcpctg trastk quk sk ng nnkv kn rg.

ABLCBIAC

Ngs rkiukrdgs vcb y vakbkb. Gncs dkn ecr.

-Qg nnkfu c nc pgksc icsa pgr czcr. Eas

kstudags lukrgb cpgtigs pgrquk kstu-

da nc icrrkrc dk Dkrkihg y dk Igekriag.

Hcstc quk ub dc icy kb eas ecbgs ub

frcb pgktc.

Kn sgn dk Ykvannc, nc nuz dk Encfc.

-Bci kb Ykvannc pkrg ek ira kb Encfc.

Cquknnc icoc dk esaic...ks ng praekrg quk

rkiukrdg. Nc icoc dk esaic kb nc icsc dk

ea cùknc. \kg c ub bag skbtcdg kb kn

sukng, ksiuihcbdg cquknnc esaic y vkg

`cancr c Crnkqub y Igngeàbc. Q nukfg kn

ecr... kn ecr. Dk nc bcturcnkzc nnkvg dkb-


7/9


8/9

Kspuecs rgtcs kb nc nkocbc.

Luk ubc bakz euy lknaz. Igbskrvg ub

rkiukrdg efaig... Pkprkskbt pcrc e

ubc curgrc dkn eubdg,kn dkspkrtcr, bgsng dk ea vadc dk euihcihg, sabg dk nc

vadc dkn eubdg, y su eatg ng icbt kb

Yge`rc dkn pcrcsg.

Ykrkbadcd. Tgdg kst quaktg chgrc ... Su

hcy quk tkbkr pcrc kbigbtrcr kstk kquana-

`rag7 Igrczb dk bag g cnec dk pgktc7

-Irkg quk nc skrkbadcd igbsastk kb ub

iakrtg tapg dk cikptciab supkragr y ige-

prkbsavc quk ks euy dalian dk kbigbtrcr,

pkrg dk babfb egdg abfkbuc. Kn eubdg

vavk kb ubc pgic dk trcbslgreciab y ks

euy dalian igbskfuar kstc skrkbadcd, quk

bg sk pukdk igblubdar igb nc ctgbc ba igb

nc abdalkrkbiac. Tgdg knng ubadg cn aepunsgegrcn dk sgnadcradcd.

Kn hge`rk y kn eubdg quk nk rgdkc.

-Eark, yg bg tkbfg ceafgs natkrcrags, sabg

saepnkekbtk ceafgs. Kn pgktc ks kn hge-

`rk... Bg ek abtkrksc nc vadc natkrcrac. Ek

abtkrksc saepnkekbtk nc vadc.

Tgdg kb icnec... y ub pgkec

\adc... Ic`kzc dgngradc, sakbks dk grg,

sgn quk vc c pgbkrsk.

DANGFG

[b dc nk prkfubtcrgb kb qu egekbtgs sk

skbtc pgktc.

-Zkrg kn pgktc ks cbtk tgdg kn hge`rk...

Igbtkst quk yg krc pgktc kb tgdgs ngsegekbtgs dk nc vadc, pgrquk sgy pgktc kb

iucbtg hge`rk. Ykr pgktc bg ks es quk

ub egdg dk skr hge`rk.

-Ean adkcs naepacs... Dgb \aikbtk Cnkaxcb-

drk, ks ustkd ub frcb igbvkrscdgr7

-Zuks rkcnekbtk bg sgy dkecsacdg ceafgdk ncs tkrtunacs. Ygy ceafg dkn dangfg.

Ngs quk igbiurrkb c nc tkrtunac bg takbkb

bcdc quk dkiarsk abdavaducnekbtk. Nc tkr-

tunac kb iakrtg egdg cbgbaeazc y pcrkik

quk dkstruyk kn neatk dkn skr. Kb kn dangfg

icdc iucn ks icdc ubg y sk abtkrice`ac igb

kn gtrg igb ub eutug rkigbgiaeakbtg.

-C quakb cdearc ustkd, dgb \aikbtk7 Cbtk

qu pkrsgbcoks sk abinabc, igeg hrgks dk

nc vadc dacrac7

-Cbtk ngs trc`cocdgrks kb ngs pcsks su`-

dkscrrgnncdgs.

-Q dk knncs7 Iunks sgb sus hkrgbcs has-traics7

-Ncs euokrks dk cqunngs.

C \aikbtk Cnkaxcbdrk nk fustcb ncs pcnc`rcs

igrrakbtks, ngs bge`rks skbianngs.

-Ek fustcb ngs bge`rks `rkvks kbbg`nkia-

dgs pgr kn usg, igeg Oucb, Nuasc g Ecbukn.


9/9

\AIKBTK CNKAXCBDPK

\aikbtk Zg Ecriknabg Iarang Cnkaxcbdrk y Ekrng

(Ykvannc, 0< dk c`ran dk 3818-Ecdrad, 34 dk

daiake`rk dk 3184). Zgktc pkrtkbkiakbtk c nc

Fkbkrciab dkn 06, rkia`k kn Zrkeag Bg`kn dk

Natkrcturc kb 3166.

Yu g`rc sk icrcitkrazc pgr kn usg dk nc ekt-

lgrc y sk nk rkigbgik igeg kn prabiapcn pgktcsurrkcnastc kspcgn. Yk daik quk su trcykitgrac

sk davadk kb trks ktcpcs? ubc praekrc dk pgksc

purc (igb ablukbiacs dk Oucb Pceb Oaebkz,

Zkdrg Ycnabcs y Ogrfk Fuannb), gtrc dk pgksc

surrkcnastc y ubc tkrikrc dk pgksc cbtrgpgib-

traic.

Kb 3166 rkia`k kn Zrkeag Bg`kn, igb kn quk sk

rkigbgik ubavkrscnekbtk su g`rc y, kb iakrtc

ecbkrc, nc dk tgdc nc Fkbkrciab dkn 06.

Kn pgktc y kn hge`rk, ksk dksfc-

rrb kbtrk nc vadc y nc eukrtk, kbtrk

nuihcr pgr vavar y nuihcr pgr egrar.

\aikbtk Cnkaxcbdrk quasakrc egrar

igb cikptciab... Q hcy ub pgkec,

kn ntaeg, Nc eukrtk, kn ntaeg dk

su na`rg, Nc dkstruiiab g kn cegr,

quk g`tuvg kn Zrkeag Bciagbcn dk

Natkrcturc.

Suakrg egrar lrkbtk c ta, ecr, lrkbtk

c ta, ecr vkrtaicn iuycs kspuecs

tgicb ngs iakngs, c ta iuygs iknkstkspkiks kbtrk bu`ks sgb igeg pocrgs

gnvadcdgs dkn hgbdg.

PGYC ECPC KIHK\KPPC

Kbtrkvastc pu`naicdc kb kn pkradaig Bukvg

Dacragkn 3 dk ecrzg dk 316: dgbdk ngs labks

dk skecbc rkcnazc`c abtkrkscbtks kbiukbtrgs

igb frcbdks pkrsgbcoks dkn eubdg dk nc

iunturc y kn crtk.

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