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Drunvalo MelchizedekThe Prophecies

RM: Drunvalo Melchizedek has been educating people around the world for decades about thenature of Geometry as universal principles that support life here on Earth and elsewhere. He did

this through his Flower of Life Workshops. Today, Drunvalo has been called by indigenous eldersfrom around the world to help them get their true messages out to the world regarding this profoundperiod of time. They believe it is important that people understand that we can change the outcomefor ourselves through our own consciousness.

RM: So, this time you are off on a real adventure, and this is an adventure that took place over 25years or so in your newest book, Serpent of Light. Obviously you are not going to slow down for along time now because you have stirred a lot of energy up by actually revealing some of the eventsthat you went throughthe initiations throughout the planet. I would like to talk about that bookand then move it forward into what we are looking at in the very near future. Can we talk a little bitabout why you decided to finally reveal all of the things you have been through around the world inthese Earth Rituals with indigenous people? Almost no one has had the invite you have had into theindigenous circles.

DM: It really was my publisher because when they looked at everything that was possiblethere are lotsof books that are possiblethat one is so pertinent to this moment, to right now. They were the ones thatasked me to do that [book]. At first I felt a little funny about that because it was very personal. Then theytalked me into it, and I said OK, well alright.

Now that it is done it is changingthe indigenous people have been reading this book. And so, they areresponding to it, and they are responding very positively but with more energy than I have ever seen before.What has happened since the manuscript for that book has been turned init was actually turned in June of2007; in July of 2007, before it was even published, it started to speed up. And so, its good; it is a goodthing. What happens in those worlds is crucial to what happens in our world. People dont reallyunderstand that. You know Id like to give a little story to try to explain why the indigenous world is soimportant.

RM: Please.

DM: Because, most of the people just say ah, they are just primitive people. They dont know anything,and it is obsolete and it doesnt have any effect on this new technological world. But, thats not what wesee in the sacred geometrical world, which is the world underlying everything that we are in. Underneathour world are the geometrical patterns. When you go into the carbon-based life forms and the Geometrybehind that there is something there that is very clear, when a biological life form expands into a higherlevel of consciousness, they cant do it unless they are connected to the past.

You can see it in plant growth. Plants very often use the Fibonacci sequence, which is0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55. . . (add the first two numbers shown, then that total is the next number inthe sequence, that number added to the number just before it is the next number in the sequence). But whatit really is if you take three simple numbers like 3, 5 and 8; its just that 5 adds to 3 and makes 8. Thatshow many [plants] grow their leaves. The will start out with one leaf, then one, then two, then three, thenfive, then eight. The plant doesnt know where it is going. It is sitting at five leaves; it looks back at whereits last growth was was three, which is kind of obsolete; it is past that. But then it adds it together and itknows where to go, which is eight.

The symbolism is exactly the same in human consciousness. If we do not connect with our ancient pastit is the memories, it is the wisdom of everything that happened, and we dont add that to our present-daytechnological expansion we will be lost. We wont have any idea where we are going and we wont be ableto survive this. It is clear we havent added that in there and we are killing our planet. We are killing itfast. But if we were to add that wisdom of understanding like the concept of seven generationsneverdoing anything that would effect seven generations down the lineif we understood these kinds of thingsand they were incorporated into our way now, then we would know where we are going, we would knowwhat to do and we would expand in a conscious way that would be safe and usable.

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RM: Thats very true. One interview we did was really surprisingly refreshing. It was with a mannamed Shlomo Shoham, who had been in the Israeli Parliament and he, at that time, had anoversight committee. He has since retired from that position. It was staffed by a lot of young LegalBeagles. The whole purpose of it was to evaluate every piece of legislation that had to pass throughthem as to its effect seven generations out, which is the first time Ive actually seen that employed inthe modern world, but this is something that is intrinsic to the indigenous cultures. So, this is part ofaRupert Sheldrakes Morphogenic Fieldsit is all building on the past.

DM: Yes it is, and we as a planet right now, are ignoring it. It is like Genocide. We are trying to get ridof it. If we were to get rid of it our life would be over. We would never make it from my way of seeing it;we would just never be able to make the expansion into the next level of consciousness.

RM: Its true, and it seems as though we are almost on a drunken binge of last minuteconsumption from every level trying to stave off the inevitable, which is responsibility for what weshall inherit in the future.

DM: Yeah, you know we the technological world thought this wasnt going to happen for a long time.We thought it wasnt going to happen til we reached about 12 to 14 billion people in the world. It is nottrue; it is happening at half that number. Oil just went over $123.00 a barrel and the consequences of wherethis is leading are huge. It is absolutely huge.

RM: Yeah.

DM: It wouldnt have to be this way if we had just lived our lives a little differently. So, right now theindigenous people are basically using me to get out to the world, to try to get their understanding outbecause they realize that it is crucial. Even in the Hopi Prophecy they knew they had to go to the UnitedNations and tell them these things, which they did. But it hasnt changed anything.

RM: Can we talk about the book and just kind of skim through it because it is too much to cover inthis interview and then get on to the next. But, the purpose for writing it the way you did, which Ithought was brilliant of your publishers to suggest, that you go really personal on it. And, it is fun;its a fun, exciting, inspirational journey. So can you give us a little hopscotch through whatoriginally happened that called you into contact with the indigenous people and pick a starting place?

DM: Thats easy. My last life; I remember every minute of it, every word that was spoken, every actionthat took place. I was born to a Taos Pueblo. So when, right before I died in the Taos Pueblo, they left mea long listif I wrote it out it would be a couple pages long of things that I had to do when I got here inthis body. And, I had been back to themthis wasnt even in this book. I went back to them and theyacknowledged this. They knew my name, which was Gioni, they knew everything about me, they told meour whole stories and I already knew it. Then I had to begin with that list and it took me 14 years goingthrough that list getting every single thing done, but one. There is one last thing, which wont happen untilthe very end.

RM: Can we start more toward the top of the list?

DM: No, those are personal to the tribe. I mean I even had to burry certain people in the ground, andthings. There was a lot that they knewthis was back in the 1890s when this list was made. They kneweverything that was coming up in the future.

RM: I see.

DM: Part of that was that I was to assist other indigenous tribes around the world at this time.So, I kind of dont have a choice. I have to do this because it is my Dharma; it is what I have to do in mylife. I just have to stay in a certain vibration that they have taught me. As long as I do the tribes will acceptthat.

RM: But the calls came in unusual and unexpected ways to you, and then you set out. You listened,you bought the airline tickets and you showed up.

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DM: Yeah, and that is still going on now, and it has accelerated more. But the story that is behind there,the movement of the Kundalini (note: as a whole earth energy not as it is associated with the chakras)from Tibet to Chile and the completion of the grid around the Eartha lot of people have not talked aboutthe Kundalini because that was kept very secret. But the grid that is around the Earth, that is in books and alot of people are aware of that. By the way, that was born into the world on the day of the Eclipse, January24th, 25th or 26th of this year. So, the conception of that grid was 13,200 yearsthe conception of it, and

the birth took about a month. It was between the Lunar Eclipse in January, where the shadow went rightover the Polynesian mountains and there we were in Moorea when this took place, with all the elders there.And the final edge of the birth was here in Sedona where the shadow went right over Sedona. And, the gridis now alive and conscious. This changes everything.

RM: Lets talk about thatwhat that means, what the implications are.

DM: As big as you can get, just about. The Kundalini had to move first, and it moved and it was in placein Chile by some time in 2002. It got past Panama in 2001, but it moved all over South America and finallysettled. Thats where these 112 tribes are sitting there in a circle, which they are still there right now; theyare holding that space, because to them this is the most sacred thing in thousands and thousands of years.

RM: Lets back up a bit before the grid and talk about the Kundalini having been present in Tibet,and what that has meant throughout history, and now what it means to have it moved half way

around the world.

DM: When it moved into Tibet was 13,000 years ago. And the Necals, which is the High Priesthood outof Atlantis, part of them went there. The other part of them, by the way, went into the Caribbean along withthe Mayans and went to a little area which is now called Santa Marta, in Columbia.Those people are called Kogi, Arwako, Weewa and Conquamos. But they are the original Necals out ofAtlantis and they told me so, eyeball to eyeball.

RM: This I found fascinating!

DM: The head of the Mayans, Don Alejandro, has also told me, face to face, that they are also fromAtlantis. So are the Hopi. They have said the same thing. So, the history is about to be presented in a newlight of who they are and where they came from. They are all linked together.

RM: Right.

DM: They are about to all come together and meet for the first time everwell, not ever. They did meetin Guatemala, but not in a meeting where they actually discuss how they would function together.

RM: OK. There is another stream. Well go there in a little bit.

DM: There are a lot of them.

RM: So, Tibet 13,000 years ago?

DM: By the time the Sumerians started, which we consider to be the beginning of modern-day culture,about 6,000 years ago, the Necals had already been into Western Tibet, and built the Pyramid and weresitting there waiting for the rest of us to come along. [They were] using that energy to enlighten themselveswith. They eventually became the Tibetans, or what we call the Tibetans. Sure, there were influxes fromIndia and other places, but the original group was still there.

RM: They held the knowledge for a long time.

DM: They held the knowledge of what was prior to there of our history. Our entire Human History is alittle over 200,000 years; its 200,200 something years long, when we were born. That was coming fromAfrica through Gondwana Land, through Lemuria over to Atlantis and then to this present world that weare in now.



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RM: Now with the Kundalini Centerwith that energy moving from Tibethow does this playinto the facts of all of the tragedies that have befallen the Tibetan people?

DM: It is linked. This is what we were hinting at in the book. When the Kundalini began to move, evenbefore then, the Pachamama in China began to try to break that apart because from a real deep level it nowneeds to be stopped and started in a new way. So, even in India right now, if you were to do a little

research you will find out that almost all the Ashrams are being attacked over there right now. They aretrying to split them apart and break them apart. Some of it is coming from government; some of it iscoming from other levels. So, there is an attack on that whole spiritual region. Even in Chinayou havethe Chinese now going after the Taoists and the Qi Gong Masters and everything else, trying to stop them.

RM: So, is this a natural side effect of that energy having moved, or what is this?

DM: It does appear that way; lets put it that way. It does appear as though there is a deep resistance tostop all that over there. On the other side of the world in Chile and Bolivia and Peru and the surroundingcountries around there its a whole different side of it. The people now are promoting spirituality andhelping it. Shamans in Peru, even 10 years ago, definitely 15 years ago they had to be secretive; they hadto be very careful because the people wouldnt allow them to be who they were. Thats all gone now. Theyhave complete support of everyone. They are told to really go for it.

RM: So as fast as it is closing down in India and Tibet, it is opening there.

DM: It is completely opening there.

RM: OK, so with that movement that really was given birth to, as you say, in late January of thisyearthe final formationlets about what that means when the grid has been fully formed again.

DM: Now that it has been fully formed and birthedit is Human Consciousnessit went throughconception; it went through birth, and now it is a baby; it is a living thing; its a living field that is aroundthe Earth. What this means is that people that have been trying to do their work, their Dharmawhateverit iswhatever they are trying to do, whatever it isthere has been a certain resistance to it because thingswerent competed. Now they are completed. We might as well be on a different planet because everythingis going to accelerate spiritually very fast. It is just going to keep going up and up, and it is not going tostop. There is nothing to stop it. The governments have tried to stop it; they have done all kinds of thingsto try to stop it before it was birthed. They tried to kill it. They tried to kill this living thing. Thats whatthey were doing in French Polynesia some years back, blowing Neutron Bombs up in the ocean there.They were actually blowing them up right on the axis of the grid, itself, hoping it would destroy the grid.But, as they found out, no, she just got stronger and more powerful.

So, now it is happening, and now the world has not just an opportunityit is an opportunitybutpeople that are focusing on spiritual life, on their breath and their connection to all life, everywhere, everytime they try to do something in the world it is just going to be supported by the world; it is going to getstronger and easier, and that side of life is just going to keep growing until it is actually strongerwaystronger than the governments and the religions and everything else that we have developed before.

RM: Well this is important; this is good; this is very good. Lets talk about that and talk aboutwhat the Mayan, and what the Hopi and some of the other indigenous people youve been meetingwith through the years have to say about this transition period over the next year or two. And, I justwant to add something going back: For those people who have not yet read the book, this adventureof yours, as I put itit is actually a spiritual odyssey that really took you to indigenous regionsaround the world not even knowing, with groups of people gathering, what you were there for untilyou got there, often.

DM: Many times.

RM: And then the people would show up exactly as told. Then the ceremony and the purpose ofyour being there would be revealed. What a beautiful job of listening you did.



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DM: Really, Im just being used, and its OK. Thats what my purpose isI understand that, and theyunderstand it. Im not trying to become part of their tribes or anything else. Sometimes they initiate meinto their tribes, but I know what I am. I a white man; Im here; Im doing this. It simply just is whathappened. It isnt even really intended to be a story. It is just intended to let people understand what ishappening in the world, and that there are really positive things that are going on.

RM: Yes, and you are really ushering it in; you are ushering it in one step of the way, year after

year.

DM: Well, I dont think of it as me doing it, but. . .

RM: The beings working with you, yeah.

DM: Its Mother Earth and she selects certain people to do certain things, and that could changetomorrow. I understand that.

RM: Bringing us then to today, and thats all Im going to say about that because everybody canpick up a copy and see what has already been laid into place, and then it becomes very clear by theend of this book what we are preparing for. But youve been given information by the indigenouselders, and it has to do with what comes in the next year, to two years. It is not 2012; it is not eventhat far out.

DM: No.

RM: Can you begin sharing with us because the viewers that are watching you right now, all of usare choosing to be part of the solution, and choosing to prepare ourselves.

DM: Yeah, thats good. Of course. That book was submitted to the publisher in June of 2007; in July of2007 the head of the Mayan Nation came here to Sedona and asked to have a meeting. Let me explain alittle bit who he is. The Mayans live in three countries: Mexico, Belize and Guatemala. There are 440tribes, each one of those tribes has an elected Elder, who represents them, and those 440 elders make up aCouncil, which is the Mayan Council. Then they elect one of them to be their President, or their Head oftheir Council and that is the person of Don Alejandro Cirilo. He is a 13th generation Mayan Shaman andPriest. It has been in his family for a very, very long time, and he represents Mayan thought andunderstanding very well. I can see why they selected him; he is a clear person on those levels.

He came here with his wife, Elizabeth, and they asked for a meeting, so we had a meeting. I had no ideawhat he wanted. He said, first of all, thattalking about everything that has been written about them fromall over the world, all the things that we know, the Mayan Calendar included, and everything from JoseAgualas and many universities, even governments that have written stuff, and all kinds of researchers andpeople, but not one word has come from themthey havent officially written one word in 526 years.So everything--even their history in the History books saythey dont agree with it; they dont agree withhardly any of it. They say no, thats other peoples ideas, but thats not what we say .

So, he came here and said that their intention is to rewrite their history and their knowledge andeverything that is known about them. But they said that in their calendar it states that when they do this theworld will be watching. So what they asked us to doI say us because it is not [just] me, but it is alsoanother indigenous 501(c)3 that we work through, which is called ICA, International Cultural Awareness.There are people thereAdam Yellow Bird and Carmen, and a lot of my people were there; we were allworking together for this. They [Don Alejandro] wanted us to bring 60 people from every continent in theworldfrom all over the whole world that would do the ceremonies with them that would begin the wholething. Then to sit in a room and watch them as they started redoing their history and their knowledge.

Thats what we did. We started with 0--the glyph for 0.

RM: Thats amazing!

DM: That has all been written out. But they were actually saying no, this means that; this means thisredefining what 0 means from the Mayan point of view. Then they went to the number 1 and wewatched for many hours, about one day basically, as they started this process. This process is going to goone to maybe even two years as they re-do that. Then there is more to it. That is the mental side.



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DM: Yes it is, everywhere.

RM: A major indication.

DM: Yeah, it is really good. So, that is still going on now; they are in the midst of all of that. We arewaiting for that [rewriting project to be completed]. Now, he [Don Alejandro] did say that this date

December 21, 2012is, almost for certain, not the time when the change will take place, even thougheverybody says on that day. . . The head of the Mayans say no, we dont think so. Its a window of time.In June he said the window is about to open really soon, and were not exactly sure, it depends on certainfactors. And, it will close at a certain time. But, it is about a seven year long window.

One of the people that we invited through the ICA here to come along with us was one of the Eldersfrom the Hopi Tribe. This is Grandfather Eric. He is the last living member of the Bluebird Clan, and thatClan was the Historians of the Hopi Tribe. They were the ones that write down and record everything thattakes place there. They put it into songs and rugs, and all kinds of ways that they record their information.So, Im sitting on a bus with him, and he is telling me the same thing that the Mayans are telling me. Hesaid almost everything youve heard about us is not from us, it is from other people. They say we cameacross the Bering Straight and came down through thereis what history and Archeologists say. But hesays we know that is not true. Where we came from was Guatemala. We used to be Mayan, and theMayans knew that. There was a time a long time ago when the decision was made that a group of theMayans would head north and would then find a new place. Thats the Hopi. Now, Grandfather Martin,

who is the one who now holds the Hopi Prophecy, and Grandfather Don Alejandro have exchanged theirprophecies and they claim they are identical. There is no difference at all; they are the same prophecy.

What happened in all of that, which was pretty interesting was if you remember--I think it wasOctober 26th when that comet came through; was it Holmes?

RM: I dont remember.

DM: Holmes, I think it was. On that dayI believe it was October 26 of 2007it blew up and formedthis huge blue sphere of light in the sky that very rapidly became the biggest thing in the Solar System; itwas actually larger than the Sun. Grandfather Eric is asking me on the bus, do you think thats the Hopi

Prophecy? You see, because 200 years ago the Hopi gave a prophecy about this time, that a blue starwould appear in the sky, and it would become the beginning of this window that the Mayans talk about.

When he got back the Council met, and they all met and they agreed that this is the Hopi Prophecy ofthe Blue Star. They Mayans have now looked back to say OK, October 26it could be the 4th , 5th, or 6th,

but, I think it is the 26thfrom that day is the beginning of the window, which the Mayans call the end oftime. It goes for about seven years, til about 2015, or so.

What the Mayans are saying is that inside this window, which we are now inside of, will come thesechanges which they are about to prophecy. I know what part of that is. They are going to prophecy thatthere will be a pole shifta physical onenot just a magnetic pole shift, but a physical pole shift. Andthat is a pretty interesting thing. The whole sequence that is happening around this in the world right nowis interesting.

When ever there is a pole shift there is always a magnetic pole shift that happens right prior to it.This has been recorded going back a long time. They have actually only proven this, that I am aware of, forthe last two times. But, it is a common belief. And the scientists of the world have been watching how for2,000 years the magnetic field of the Earth has been dropping. Then 500 years ago it started droppingmore.RM: Right.

DM: Then about 40 years ago the anomalies became great, so great that things were moving all over theplace. About 15 years ago they had to change the maps of the airports because they were so inconsistent.And now before they land an airplane they have to check immediately before to see if north is really north,otherwise they will land out in a field.

RM: Right.

DM: About a year and a half ago you had the worlds scientists for 11 days say that the anomalies wereso great that they expect the poles to shift north to south. Now, that doesnt happen too often. Thats



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something that happensI dont really know the statistics, but lets say at least every 50 million years, orsothats pretty rare. North to south / south to north. They said best we could tell, sometime between nowand the next 25 years. Then they were cut off by the governments of the world; they couldnt talk. Thenabout 6 months ago they [the scientists] got out for five days before they [governments] could cut them off,and they [scientists] said it is way worse than we ever thought; it is going to happen any minute. Thatsabout all they could get out before the governments shut them down and wouldnt let them talk anymore.

RM: Lets talk about the link then. What happens after the magnetic shift?

DM: When the magnetic poles shift, scientifically it means that almost for sure youre going to have aphysical pole shift directly after that, very soon. That is what the Mayans and the Hopi are predicting. Icant say the Hopi, yet, because they havent physically announced it. But the Mayans have physicallyannounced it. They came here and they announced it here to this city that this is what is going to happen.

RM: OK.

DM: We can go back 13,000 years ago, the other end of the procession of the Equinoxes, and they speakabout it in there. There was a pole shift, a magnetic pole shift. The magnetic poles went all the way toHawaii, and then moved around and eventually came back to where they are now. The physical pole theybelieve was in Hudson Bay and moved from where it is up to where it is there.

RM: Yes.

DM: That is the best that they can determine at this moment. Then if you go back 26,000 years, which isexactly where we are right now, or we will be precisely on December 21, 2012that will be the other endof that cyclethere was another pole shift, and another magnetic pole shift. So, we know that there havebeen two in a row here. Now, from the study, which we have looked at that data, of the pole shifts, wevegone back 250 million years. When you go back through that and look at it youll see that the poles willshift and when they do there is usually about 15 of them in a row, and then it doesnt shift for maybemillions of years. Then it will do it again. Based on that science would predict that there would be oneright now. If it did one, two and three, it is probably going to keep going for awhile. That is exactly whatthe worlds scientists have just predicted on the History Channel. They said this just about a month ago.We think that the Earth is probably going to go through a physical pole shift very, very soon.

RM: Since the indigenous Elders have talked about this process, lets talk about what is theprocess? What does this mean?

DM: Well, we know also scientifically by the study of this, what the world knows is that when it doeshappen it is like the crack of a whip; it is less than one day. You wake up one morning and everything isnormal; by the time of the next morning the geography of the entire world has been changed. The length oftime is about 20 hours. It is a very fast thing. The last two times there were no civilizations with buildingsand structures all over the world. But, really, I think most scientists would agree with me that if there werea pole shift thatprobably hardly any buildings on the planet would be left standing. I doubt it; I cantimagine how they would. The Great Pyramid might, and things like it, but. . .

RM: Not the Sears Tower.

DM: Not these kinds of buildings (looking around him). These big high towers are just going to fallover. Forget about 1 to 10 on your Earthquake Richter scale. This would be like a 20, or something. Thisis when whole mountains go up and down, and continents break off in pieces, and everything else. It reallydoes change everything. And, this was even predicted by Edgar Cayce, if you remember way back in the30s he predicted this would happen.

RM: Yes, and were seeing all of this anomalous earthquake activity right now.

DM: As of about seven or eight years ago the earthquake activity was over 500% above normal. Not justearthquakes, but everything, all the various natural phenomena are way over. That data came out of Russia;they were recording and measuring this very carefully.



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RM: I wonder what they would say now?

DM: It has gone up; it is not going down.

RM: It is going up. Yes.

DM: It is going up higher and higher and higher. This is what the Mayans said to me, that they want tosay to you. Yes, were going to go through this. But, they were there in Atlantis 13,000 years ago whenthis happened, and they remember what happened. They were also there 26,000 years ago when we wentthrough it, so they have been through two of these. They know what we are about to go through. Whatthey are trying to do is really compassion for the world because they know what we are about to gothrough. And, it isnt so much that they want to predict it is going to happen; it is that they want to give ustheir wisdom what to do when it happens. Because they said the last time millions and millions of peopledied all over the world just because they didnt know a few simple things.

RM: Can you share those simple things?

DM: No, I cant. I know a little bit about it, but I dont know enough. They are going to put it into theirbook. But what it isthere are certain things that we need to change within ourselves at which point, if wedo that, we not only wont die, we will go up in awareness and consciousness.

So, they are doing it for themselves; there is no doubt they are doing it for their own people so that theyare prepared, but they are also doing it for the world so the world willat least those that want to listen;you cant force anybody to listen, but for those that want to listenthere are some changes you can makeinside yourself that will completely change the outcome of what happens during those times.

RM: We should be starting to access some of this information intuitively.

DM: We are; as a planet we are. I think they just want to really define it clearly. A few people are in theworld. With 6 billion you are talking about, maybe, less than 100 million are actually interested enoughto make these kinds of changes.

RM: I understand. In fact, one of the things I find a little concerning is, not surprisingly, duringthis period of time there is a plethora of production that is taking place right now, a lot of it reallytrying to squeeze the emotional bodies via disinformation and Shock Films about 2012, and so on andso forth.

DM: Yeah, there are about 30 books being written, too.

RM: What is your perception of that, because it seems to me it is just either someone exploiting thesubject, or even more so it is an effort to start creating a Fear Scenario, which changes the way weare able to respond.

DM: The Mayans definitely are not interested in creating the fear; they want us to overcome our fear andbecome calm and balanced during these times of what is about to happen. But, it is true that it is justHuman Natureyou put a date into the future like that [2012] and have certain predictions that werenteven made really by the Mayans, but by other people, and there are going to be people building up to this.Most of these people probably wont have any idea what they are really talking about. But there will besome that do and I. . .

RM: But it almost all focuses on the horror except for a few conscious productions.

DM: A lot of them. But there are going to be someone of them that I think is going to be prettyinteresting is Collin Andrews and what he comes up with because of the Mayan Crop Circles that appeared,and the calendars and what happened over all that.

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DM: Well, I was deeply into Crop Circles for many, many years, and I havent been following it a wholelot now. I actually trust him, because he is a totally honest person and he is a great reporter.

RM: Yeah, I like him.

DM: He is just a reporter; he is just telling it like it is. I know that he and his wife are in the midst ofwriting a book around 2012. That is a book I would read. But a lot of them, I know, are just going to be

exploitationwriting on fear. There is nothing we can do. You just have to have discrimination.They are all talking about the Mayan date; obviously, if the Mayans come have their own book out it is

going to take over.

RM: Take precedence (laughing) if any sanity prevails.

DM: Yeah, youd read from the people that talked about this. But I think that it is just Human Nature; itis just where we are right now.

RM: You told me something off camera and I dont know if you care to talk about it. We can snipit out if you dont. But, you mentioned to me on the phone about a week ago we were chatting beforethis interview that you had been told simply that if we understood what awaits us after the transitionthrough, that people would be jumping up and down with joy.

DM: Mmmhmm. This is truly a time of great celebration because weve been through the dark part ofthe cycle, and now were heading into the light part of the cycle. As much as it will be a death of the oldpart of the cycle, it is also simultaneously a birth of something that is just super beautiful. This is also whatthe Mayans want to talk about, I believe. At least they talk about it with me, so I think they want to talkabout it. But, this new era where, what they talk about is, our quarantine is lifted. We have been locked onthis little planet and we cant move. We believe there is life out there; it looks like life is all around us withall these UFOs and everything, but there has been very little direct connection. There has been some, but ithas been very, very small.

What they are saying is that when we pass through this other level we become more than humanfarmore than where we are nowour consciousness rise to another level of existence. At which point we areno longer quarantined here; we are able to move around the Universe and begin to understand the biggerfamily that we live in and live within. I imagine, anyway, that they will talk about this and discuss this.Even more, though I can only hint at itthats all I can do because I have certain promises that have beenmade to me that I cant really talk about itthe Mayans and many, many tribes in South and CentralAmerica and some in North America have decided to have a ceremony here in Arizona in April of 2009,which is called The Return of the Ancestors. It is a ceremony that will be done by over 100 tribes. As soonas that ceremony is done then it is possible for our ancestors to truly return. They expect it to happen. Whothey are talking about is the very people that are discussed in the Sumerian records of theNephilim from Marduk and from the Sirians, from the Star Sirius. These are our Mother and our Father,and according to the indigenous people they are here, and lots of them. They are in mountains right now.In that same year they are predicting that we will hold their hands and look into their eyes and thetransformation will begin. I cant say much more than that. If it happens, it happens. I dont know. Theybelieve totally that it is going to happen. But I dont know how it is going to happen; I dont know if this issomething that is a secret event, or if it is a public event. I dont know that, and I cant say at this point.

RM: Any final thoughts in terms of your own wisdom from everything youve learned throughoutyour experience here, beyond what the Maya have to say about this period.

DM: Well, I dont know if I have any wisdom about this period in the sense of I wasnt here, and theyhave experience in all of this. I have no memory of ever riding out a pole shift before.

RM: Right.

DM: In my training with the Kogi and the Arwakos and the Sierra Nevada people and the Aborigines inAustralia, and especially the Ytaha and ---- in New Zealand and other places, what they talk about is thatthis is a return. How do I put this? During Atlantis 13,000 years ago, and even in the Bible they talk aboutthis Fall that took place; that we dropped in consciousness. All that waseven though there are books



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