Dr Robert Eager · Not necessarily Non-medical “facts” Battle of Hastings :1066 Execution of...
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Not necessarily
Non-medical “facts”
Battle of Hastings :1066
Execution of Charles 1:1649
Occurred Jan 30 1648
Until 1751, year was 25/3 to 24/3
Later histories post 1751 changed it to 1649
Shakespeare and Cervantes died same day
Actually died 10 days apart but in different countries.
1 RCT performed on new intervention. Restricted to defined pt group
2 RCT shows benefit so applied to those in defined grp
3 Unclear if any benefit to those excluded from original RCT. No one looks
4 Years pass. Intervention becomes standard of care and applied broadly
5 General consensus develops that as it is now standard, unethical to study it in other groups as it would involve denying a group(placebo) what has become std care
6 It is now dogma
Systematic reviews include heterogenous groups but combine results
Hides potential problems
Everyone stops looking
Or publication bias sets in
Some one comes up with a logical and reasoned idea that appears to hypothetically make sense. Easy to understand
It is adopted by an authority and emphasised
No one every studies if the logic is correct
More problematically, no one looks to see if it causes any harm.
Examples are Cervical Collar, Golden Hour and ATLS shock classes
Trauma Myths
Glasgow Coma Scale
Cervical Collar
Palpable pulses and relationship to BP
Medical Myths
Calcium Resonium
Non-use of ipsilateral arm post mastectomy
ABG in Pulmonary Embolus
Example of good idea derived from a single cohort of pts
Extrapolated to other groups not originally studied
Resulting in dogma on how to deal with various GCS levels
But as not all GCS 8 scores are equal, the management cannot be equal
Now accepted everywhere as standard treatment where a cervical injury is possible
But NEVER studied
Was designed based on the logical reasoning that less movement means less injury to cord
Design changed over the years but original assumptions never challenged
Epidemiology and predictors of spinal injury in adult major trauma patients: European cohort study
Eur Spine J. 2011 Dec; 20(12): 2174–2180.
Reviewed TARN database from 1988 to 2009
250,584 pts
4489 pts had spinal cord injury (1.8%)
So potentially 98 pts out of 100 may have had a collar on to protect against an injury they didn’t have
But to be on TARN database, must be admitted pt
But lots of patients come into ED with collars on and never admitted
So ratio of pts probably far exceeds 98:2
Collar on but no injury: Collar on and cord injury
Do not blindly use
Trauma ≠Collar
If pt GCS 15 and co-operative with no abnormal neurology, consider no collar
If reduced GCS and injury consistent with possible cord injury, use it
BUT
ATLS courses perpetuate the dogma
Conventional wisdom that a palpable radial pulse means that the BP is likely to be > 80mmHg Sys
Lower the BP, then only femoral and carotid until eventually only carotid
Other things you did worked Low K diet Insulin-dextrose Dialysis If sodium was exchanged for potassium, has this resulted in dilutional effect?
Std advice for rest of life
No blood pressure monitoring
No venipuncture
No IV cannulation
No pinpricks
So what is the evidence?
Rationale
Any injury to arm may result in an inflammatory process and in absence of functioning lymphatic system may result in chronic debilitating lymphoedema
Treatment of established lymphoedema is unsatisfactory
So prevention is better than cure
Halstead in 1921 proposed that post-surgery infection was likely cause of arm swelling post mastectomy
Villasor in 1955: Retrospective review of 79pts after breast
surgery. 3/79 developed lymphoedema post venipuncture so proposed venipuncture to be avoided
Britton and Nelson in 1962: Recurrent cellulitis in 53% of 114 pts who had any
form of injury to arm (cat scratch, thorn prick, insect bites) so stated any injury to arm can result in swelling.
Problem is that evidence for both sides are poor quality ie level studies 4/5
Clark et al 2004: Prospective cohort study concluded that 8/18 pts (44%) that had venipuncture developed swelling compared to 31/170 (18%) pts with no venipuncture. But no randomisation, no control of confounders and did not report when the swelling occurred.
Winge et al 2010: Retrospective study of 311 pts by questionnaire. 88 had venipuncture on affected arm but only 4 developed swelling.
Ferguson at el 2016 J Clin Onc
Bilateral Arm Volume Measurements pre and post op
3,041 measurements over 9 years
Conclusion: “although cellulitis increases risk of lymphedema, ipsilateral blood draws, injections, blood pressure readings, and air travel may not be associated with arm volume increases. “
Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health (CAATH) Rapid Response Reports
IV Access for post mastectomy pts:
“No relevant systematic reviews, meta-analyses, randomized controlled trials, non-randomized studies, or evidence-based guidelines were identified.”
Cemal et al 2011: Systematic Review “limited evidence to support the recommendation
that venipuncture should be avoided in patients with a history of lymph node surgery. Similarly, there is a paucity of evidence to support the preventative measures regarding limb constriction”
“arbitrary recommendations have significant effects on patient care resulting in unnecessary insertion of central catheters (to avoid venipuncture of the affected limb), blood draws from regions not routinely used for this purpose (e.g. external jugular vein, femoral vein, or dorsal foot veins).”
“additional research is clearly required”
Entrenched dogma in staff and patients
An attempt at RCT in NZ was unsuccessful
Evidence against use of arm is poor
Avoid if can but evidence does not support it being absolutely contra-indicated.
Balance risk of lymphoedema vs risk of problem requiring use of arm
A Normal ABG excludes acute PE
Myth based on no evidence
Stein et al, Chest 1996
Conclusion: “Blood gas levels, therefore, are of insufficient discriminant value to permit exclusion of the diagnosis of PE.”
Maloba and Hogg. EMJ 2005
Conclusion of metanalysis: “Arterial blood gas analysis alone is of limited diagnostic utility in suspected PE.”
At least half of what you know now is probably wrong
But you don’t know which half
Standard care is not always correct and will change over your career
Question why things are done especially when you are told “it’s always done this way”
Always have a healthy scepticism
If appears to be dogma, to enquire and discuss is good. Blind acceptance is wrong