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Yesterday, 03:03 AM

conradelektroMember

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Originally Posted by woopyHi allAnd doing this i stumble upon this experiment

amazing discovering of an inductret effect 1.wmv - YouTube

hope this helps

Laurent

@Laurent:

One excellent feature of your videos is the circuit drawing which you show at the right time. Thismakes your presentation a joy to follow because one knows what you are talking about.

Thank you for your nice and educational videos.

Greetings, Conrad

Yesterday, 03:26 AM

SLOW-N-EASYMember

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Yesterday, 03:30 AM

vidbidSenior Member

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Originally Posted by dragon...this is simply my way of "giving back"...

Thanks, Dragon.

I think I can safely say that the people in this forum consider your contributions extremely valuable.

Thank you.

Also, if you or anyone else could provide a supplier's web site where I could purchase a 2kvac 2ufrun cap (metal case) it would be greatly appreciated.__________________Best regards,

Vidbid

Yesterday, 03:31 AM

SLOW-N-EASYMember


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Here Some More. Hope This Is Ok To Do More Than 1 Post Of The Same Thing.

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Yesterday, 03:47 AM

dragonSenior Member

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Originally Posted by woopyHi all

Hi Dragon thank's for posting the circuits very helpfull.

So i tested the last one and it works very well, but needs some more tuning for my setup.And doing this i stumble upon this experiment

amazing discovering of an inductret effect 1.wmv - YouTube

hope this helps

Hi conrad

thank's very much for the link of the calculator , very heplfull.

Hi FarmhandVery intersting the way you see the use of those captret possibilities

thank's to all for sharing

And good luck

Laurent

Another excellent video woopy ! It seems you've found how to use the capacitive quality betweenthe case and coils of the ignition coil. Another interesting subject that we could spend lots of time on.

Very well done sir !

Yesterday, 03:51 AM

dragonSenior Member


Hi Vidbid - I like easy questions.... Capacitors just type in the voltage and capacitance and it willdisplay what they have, up to 80,000 volts in some cases.

Yesterday, 04:33 AM

SLOW-N-EASYMember


High Voltal Multimeter

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Hi All

Here Something I Thought Was Interesting Device Someone Could Build Themselves

And Save Some Money. High Voltage Meters Are Quite Expensive Compared To Building Your Own.

Here's The Circuit And The Picture Of The One I Built. Seems To Work Great.

Regards

P.s. Sorry For The Device Under The Hv Multimeter I Keep All My Builds In One Place That Is One OfMr.cleans Replications.

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Yesterday, 05:22 AM

vidbidSenior Member


@Dragon. Thanks for that link! Much appreciated.

@SLOW-N-EASY

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Originally Posted by SLOW-N-EASY...PICTURES. I HAVE ALOT OF THEM IT COST $1.50PER PICTURE TO E-MAIL

TO MAY WEB ADDRESS TO MY COMPUTER . IT REALLY ADDS UP QUICK...

SLOW-N-EASY

That's a lot of money for a few images.

If you just want to take some images inexpensively, you can pick up a mini web cam for just a

few dollars on ebay.

I think I spent $3.50 plus free shipping.

Mini USB 5M Retractable Clip WebCam | eBay

I bought a couple, and they work pretty good.

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It might save you some money.__________________Best regards,

Vidbid

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Yesterday, 06:08 AM

kajunkreationsMember


kacher/lenz

Hey guys, here is a video of my kacher and collector circuit April 26, 2012 8:31 PM - YouTube Itsnot quite right yet, as in it doesnt act exactly like Woopy's or like Lenz's circuit, but it does worknone the less. I think one thing is the batteries, cause I can't collect with the plate between them andIm sure there are other differences. Just wanted to show that it is really simple and will be a greatlearning tool. Thank you Lenz for sharing.

Nolan

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Yesterday, 07:00 AM

dragonSenior Member


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Originally Posted by kajunkreationsHey guys, here is a video of my kacher and collector circuit April 26, 2012 8:31 PM -YouTube Its not quite right yet, as in it doesnt act exactly like Woopy's or like Lenz's circuit,but it does work none the less. I think one thing is the batteries, cause I can't collect withthe plate between them and Im sure there are other differences. Just wanted to show that itis really simple and will be a great learning tool. Thank you Lenz for sharing.

Nolan

Nice job kajunkreations ! Even thought it's not quite there yet you have the basics and it'sfunctioning. I'm sure the mismatched batteries will effect it to some degree, like using 2 mismatchedcaps in series. I've never used full size batteries so I don't know how that will affect things.

One thing that might make a big difference is moving the transistor circuitry close to the coil makingall the wires as short as possible.

I might question the diodes as well, being HV diodes ( or an encased string of them ) they might

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require a fairly high voltage to pass through them - I wonder if there might be a dampening of thesignal causing the oscillator to drop in frequency thus destroying the effect when the coil is grounded.I've never used that type of diode so I'm only speculating. I'm using UF4007 and/or UF5408 bothfast reacting rated at 1000 volts. Being connected on the earth side they should never see thatmuch voltage but the current can be fairly high. I've never popped the 4007s so I'm assuming it'snever reached their limit of 1 amp although during long runs they do get warm.

Other than some minor modifications and a bit of tweaking I'd say your well on your way todiscovery !! Great work !

Yesterday, 07:36 AM



Hey dragon, I will shorten the wires, get some batteries, I just put the transistor there cause thatwas where stuff was in another experiment. The diodes are China made, 100ns I dont know if thatsfast enough. I have tried 1000v diodes that Radio Shack sells, not sure if they are fast, but theydidnt work, I also tried some schottky dioeds and they didnt work. I think that I will try some otherstuff with my Don Smith setup, This effect is very similar to the DSE (don smith effect).

Nolan

Yesterday, 07:57 AM

dragonSenior Member


The two diodes I noted above shouldn't be confused by the 1N's with the same number, the UF's arethe fast diodes and 1N's are the standard. There may not be a problem with those diodes - my onlyconcern was the push through voltage requirement - most HV diodes need around 55 volts just toget through. They seem to work fine from what I saw in the video - just speculating on why itdumped resonance when grounded.

Yesterday, 08:23 AM



I will get the diodes you use and try that out. So is 100ns considered fast enough?

Yesterday, 08:53 AM

dragonSenior Member


Plenty fast enough - should be fine to around 10Mhz. 1ns is one billionth of a second or .000000001second. So 100ns would be .000000100. 1 second divided by that number will give you hz. I alwaysget confused when dealing with such small time frames.

Yesterday, 09:15 AM

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Dragon is a wealth of information.__________________Best regards,

Vidbid

Yesterday, 11:41 AM

zilanoSenior Member

Join Date: May 2011Posts: 275

Stealing Is Bad But.... Is Fun !

@ woopy try this and have fun!

Dear folks!

sub: to learn effect of voltage and frequency charging:

low frequency low voltage slower charging higher frequency and higher voltage faster charging

when connecting to envelope of cap with neutral or cold of wall outlet ac socket. here voltage is zero andfrequency is 50/60 result charging is slow.

when connecting to envelope of cap with live or hot of wall outlet ac socket. here voltage is high say120/220/230 volts (country grid dependent ) and frequency is 50/60 result : charging is fast.

final result : we need high voltage and high frequency to harvest.

final result can be verified using setup as under.

you can steal electricity from walloutlet AC power socket. and one can use earth or ground of the socket if uhave wall outlet earth working in your wiring and if not then hammer an iron rod in ground and attach earthwire to it. those who r having cold gi(galvanised iron (water) pipes) they can be used as earth ground.

use incadescent bulb first as it is not affected easily with high voltage. take special care when using bunch ofled's in parallel. use variable Resistance R and measure voltage using dc voltmeter if higher than 3 v adjust Rand make it to provide 3v then attach led.

one can attach the third plate to N(neutral or cold) instead of L(live or hot) charging will be slow.

led's are very voltage sensitive and can be destroyed by over voltage above 3 volts.if attached led withoutmaking voltage 3 v led will fry and burn red. be careful as cap has high voltage.

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Yesterday, 01:49 PM

soundiceukSenior Member

Join Date: Oct 2011Posts: 238

So if you have a good earth. Does that mean you could rewire a plug or fusebox to use the earthinstead of the neutral? It wouldn't be touching the meter tamper proof seals which is normally theonly way!

Yesterday, 05:47 PM

SloveniaSenior Member

Join Date: Jan 2010Posts: 1,662

Zilano (Stealing is Bad but Fun!)

Many thanks Zilano!!!! I love your new avatar.

Yesterday, 06:26 PM

RAD-HHOMember


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Originally Posted by zilano@ woopy try this and have fun!

Dear folks!

sub: to learn effect of voltage and frequency charging:

low frequency low voltage slower charging higher frequency and higher voltage faster charging

when connecting to envelope of cap with neutral or cold of wall outlet ac socket. here voltage is zero andfrequency is 50/60 result charging is slow.

when connecting to envelope of cap with live or hot of wall outlet ac socket. here voltage is high say120/220/230 volts (country grid dependent ) and frequency is 50/60 result : charging is fast.

final result : we need high voltage and high frequency to harvest.

final result can be verified using setup as under.

[color=blue]you can steal electricity from walloutlet AC power socket. and one can use earth or ground ofthe socket if u have wall outlet earth working in your wiring and if not then hammer an iron rod in groundand attach earth wire to it. those who r having cold gi(galvanised iron (water) pipes) they can be used asearth

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Sorry Zilano, but charging a cap from hot to ground is essentialy the same as hot to neutral. Neutral and ground aretied together at the breaker panel. You will be charged for it.__________________Rick

Yesterday, 06:50 PM

dragonSenior Member


Neutral and earth are the same thing basically. We have 2 hot lines coming in from the distributiontransformer on the pole both being 120 volt lines, the final connection is to earth. Both earth andneutral wires basically go to the same earthing rod - kind of redundant for safety purposes I wouldimagine.

It would be difficult for the meter to sense that low of a power draw but what Z posted will work.Connect a bunch of them and it would be metered. Great for powering a couple night lights maybe.

Yesterday, 07:13 PM

soundiceukSenior Member

Join Date: Oct 2011Posts: 238

In UK three houses have a phase of 240v. If combined 415v.

What is the purpose of the neutral being wired to the meter and then to fusebox?

Are you saying that the meter only needs flow in hot line to function?

They are not tied together at breaker board in UK.

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Yesterday, 07:33 PM

dragonSenior Member


I'm not familiar with how the UK deals with distribution. Current can be sensed from either hot orneutral ( amps in = amps out ).

Yesterday, 08:22 PM

zilanoSenior Member


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Originally Posted by RAD-HHOSorry Zilano, but charging a cap from hot to ground is essentialy the same as hot to neutral. Neutraland ground are tied together at the breaker panel. You will be charged for it.

since we attach live to encapsulation or outer covering of cap. we r not directly connecting it to live wire. soits like open circuit. capacitance between encapsulation to any terminal of cap can be in pf or lesser and isalmost negligible as pf capicitance is used for bypassing rf frequencies and here we r dealing with 50/60 hz.the voltage potential is still there. and is alternating(frequency).

the live wire acts as bait for the charges to syphon from earth ground through diodes to chargecap. so nothing is drawn as load from live wire. load is on earth ground.

in case of connecting the encapsulation of cap to neutral wire. the neutral wire recieves the frequency of livewire due to parallel induction and is not metered. it has only frequency and potential is zero volt.

the idea is to know why frequency and voltage are both required to harvest more. we can only usefrequency only to charge cap but its slow process but it is there. with potential and frequency we can chargefaster in less time frame.

moreover its one wire connectivity. and u r not loading any load on single line.

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Yesterday, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SloveniaMany thanks Zilano!!!! I love your new avatar.

Thank you Slovenia!

may u have good health and happiness in ur life! and all others who are here too.

rgds

zelina

Yesterday, 09:26 PM

JohnStoneSenior Member

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Know How - Recovery Time at Diodes

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Originally Posted by dragonPlenty fast enough - should be fine to around 10Mhz. 1ns is one billionth of a second or.000000001 second. So 100ns would be .000000100. 1 second divided by that number willgive you hz. I always get confused when dealing with such small time frames.

Sorry, I have to correct!The recovery time of a diode is in fact the switch delay time.

- A 100ns diode will refuse any action at 10 MHz (conforms to 100ns full periode).

- A diode is supposed to act in the half periode of an AC signal only. It will refuse therefore any actionat 5 MHz (conforms to 100ns as half periode) as well.

- Any recovery time obove 1/4 frequency periode shall be avoided - in any case!!!! So we have theabsolute limit of 2.5 MHz for this 100ns diode. But this is not recommended at all. If we make use ofthis condition we have built an AC dimmer with phase control.

- For estimation: I would suggest to convert the recovery time to frequency (1/x) and divide it bymore than 8 (12 recommended). Then you have a viable operation frequency.Given: 100ns = 0.1µs => 10 MHz / 8....12 = 1.25 ..... 0.833 MHz.

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- For easy converting (1/x) in your mind regard: µs convert to MHz, ms convert to kHz. It is likecalculation with volt and kOhm convert ot mA ......

- You can get 20ns diodes being able to handle about 5 MHz but do not head for higher frequencies.You very probably will not get components within your financial limits - HV, high amp, supoer ultrafast......

- For your better imagination see this diagram[/url] and let the recovery time be less than Pi/4(corresponds to factor 8 above).

- Please do not hesitate to look in the data sheets. If you do not find a recovery time there thenregard the diode to be built for mains frequency only!!!

- Example: UF 5408 -> recovery time typical 75 ns @ 1A. If you apply max. current it will getslower. Same UF4007. So please calculate these diodes to have 100ns recovey time.

Please regard the hints above. I want your setups to succeed. Any weak part of a chain deteminesthe max. load!rgds John__________________Experts spend hours a day in order to question their doing while others stopped thinking feeling theywere professionals.

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Yesterday, 09:46 PM

JohnStoneSenior Member

Join Date: Feb 2009Posts: 328

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Originally Posted by soundiceukIn UK three houses have a phase of 240v. If combined 415v.What is the purpose of the neutral being wired to the meter and then to fusebox?Are you saying that the meter only needs flow in hot line to function?They are not tied together at breaker board in UK.

The neutral is used at the meters for the voltage sensing coil only. Any meter accounts for the ACcurrent flowing through the hot wire only.They trust in you that you will return the full number of electrons for free!

Same at three phases: They account for the current of all phases summed up and add in theircalculation the voltage coil being connected to earth.__________________Experts spend hours a day in order to question their doing while others stopped thinking feeling theywere professionals.

Yesterday, 10:01 PM

zilanoSenior Member


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Originally Posted by dragonNeutral and earth are the same thing basically. We have 2 hot lines coming in from thedistribution transformer on the pole both being 120 volt lines, the final connection is toearth. Both earth and neutral wires basically go to the same earthing rod - kind of redundantfor safety purposes I would imagine.

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It would be difficult for the meter to sense that low of a power draw but what Z posted willwork. Connect a bunch of them and it would be metered. Great for powering a couple nightlights maybe.

neutral and earth are not same things as neutral has induced frequency of 50/60 hz due to live wirerunning parallel to it. and neutral can be used as bait to attract charges from earth ground usingdiodes. the third plate always needs either pure frequency(alternating) or frequency and voltage toattract charges from ground using diodes to cap legs.

higher frequency and higher voltage resullts in syphoning more from ground or air. diodes play a vitalrole to dance to the tune of frequency and acts as slave and pull charges with each cycle. so fastacting diodes having 200 ns or more are required.

moray used germanium diodes they were very fast and since cosmic energy is fluctuating at higherthan rf frequency band their cycles can be tapped to lure charges from ground.

proof of concept :try making a crystal radioset using in4001 or any silicon diode. u will fail. usegermanium cat whisker diode like OA79 OR IN 34 U WILL SUCCEED. cat whisker germanium diodesare made to work with higher rf frequencies where as silicon diodes work for low frequencies exceptwhen ranges like 100 or 200ns used but cant work for radio frequencies as they require low currentand low voltage operation. where as silicon diodes need higher voltage and higher current tooperate.

rgds

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Yesterday, 10:38 PM

dragonSenior Member


I stand corrected...

Thanks John, that clears the fuzzyness in my mind and a few questions I had in this area -

Z - I didn't look at the combined wires only the connection to ground, but, any earth ground willexperience stray frequencies when a load is in use. You can pretty much go anywhere, stick a nail inthe ground and get 50/60hz readings as well as voltage variations.

We seem to be working in the same area with different approaches and theory.

Yesterday, 10:54 PM

usuJunior Member

Join Date: Mar 2012Posts: 8

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Originally Posted by zilanoneutral and earth are not same things as neutral has induced frequency of 50/60 hz due tolive wire running parallel to it. and neutral can be used as bait to attract charges from earthground using diodes. the third plate always needs either pure frequency(alternating) orfrequency and voltage to attract charges from ground using diodes to cap legs.

higher frequency and higher voltage resullts in syphoning more from ground or air. diodesplay a vital role to dance to the tune of frequency and acts as slave and pull charges witheach cycle. so fast acting diodes having 200 ns or more are required.

moray used germanium diodes they were very fast and since cosmic energy is fluctuating athigher than rf frequency band their cycles can be tapped to lure charges from ground.

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proof of concept :try making a crystal radioset using in4001 or any silicon diode. u will fail.use germanium cat whisker diode like OA79 OR IN 34 U WILL SUCCEED. cat whiskergermanium diodes are made to work with higher rf frequencies where as silicon diodes workfor low frequencies except when ranges like 100 or 200ns used but cant work for radiofrequencies as they require low current and low voltage operation. where as silicon diodesneed higher voltage and higher current to operate.

rgds

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Hi, zilano!Congratulations!You are very popular in Russia.Are you really woman?Don't take it wrong way.But I don't believe it.Excuse me.

By the way.Do you want to see a russian variant of device for stealing electricity?

Sergey

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Yesterday, 11:20 PM

zilanoSenior Member


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Originally Posted by usuHi, zilano!Congratulations!You are very popular in Russia.Are you really woman?Don't take it wrong way.But I don't believe it.Excuse me.

By the way.Do you want to see a russian variant of device for stealing electricity?

Sergey

Hi Sergey!

yes surely 100% woman. my name is Zelina Zilano Zeiss Zane.

sure if u have it then post it for the benefit of mankind !

rgdszzzz

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