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IEEE P802.11Wireless LANs

Tentative Minutes of the IEEE P802.11 Full Working Group

July 20-25, 2003

Hyatt Regency San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA

Joint 802.11 / 802.15 Opening Plenary: Monday, July 21, 20031.1. Introduction

1.1.1. Meeting called to order by Stuart J. Kerry at 1:00PM. 1.1.2. The agenda of the 80th session of 802.11 is in doc: IEEE 11-03-

445r4, This session is including 802.11, 802.15, 802.18 RREG TAG, 802.19 Coexistence TAG, and 802.20.

1.1.3. Secretary – Tim Godfrey1.1.4. Straw Poll of new attendees at this meeting: 93

1.2. Policies and procedures1.2.1. Al Petrick reviews document 00/278r7

1.2.1.1. Review of WG officers and duties.1.2.1.2. Operating policies and procedures are reviewed. The source

documents are listed in document 278r71.2.1.3. Rules for registration and media recording are presented.1.2.1.4. Review of the electronic attendance logging rules.1.2.1.5. The rules for gaining and maintaining voting rights are presented.

Document 462r13 “New Members Orientation” has further details.1.2.1.6. Review of individual membership and anti-trust rules.1.2.1.7. Al Petrick reviews the rules on Patents, according to the standard

bylaws. All members must be aware of this policy. Al Petrick reads the following text to the group:

6. Patents

IEEE standards may include the known use of patent(s), including patent applications, provided the IEEE receives assurance from the patent holder or applicant with respect to patents essential for compliance with both mandatory and optional portions of the standard. This assurance shall be provided without coercion and prior to approval of the standard (or reaffirmation when a patent becomes known after initial approval of the standard). This assurance shall be a letter that is in the form of either

a) A general disclaimer to the effect that the patentee will not enforce any of its present or future patent(s) whose use would be required to implement the proposed IEEE standard against any person or entity using the patent(s) to comply with the standard or

b) A statement that a license will be made available without compensation or under reasonable rates, with reasonable terms and conditions that are demonstrably free of any unfair discrimination

This assurance shall apply, at a minimum, from the date of the standard's approval to the date of the standard's withdrawal and is irrevocable during that period.

IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws on Patents in Standards

Slide #1 Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board – December 2002

Minutes page 1 Tim Godfrey, Intersil

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Inappropriate Topics for IEEE WG Meetings

Don’t discuss licensing terms or conditions

Don’t discuss product pricing, territorial restrictions or market share

Don’t discuss ongoing litigation or threatened litigation

Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed… do formally object.

If you have questions,contact the IEEE Patent Committee Administratorat [email protected]

Slide #2 Approved by IEEE-SA Standards Board – December 2002

1.2.1.8. The copyright status and rules are reviewed.

1.3. IP Statements1.3.1. 802.11 has not received any new IP statements1.3.2. There are no new statements for 802.15, 18, 19, or 20.

1.4. Server and electronic Attendance1.4.1. Al Petrick, Mike Hewitt, and Tim Godfrey1.4.2. Review of document 03/044r31.4.3. The network status, file sharing procedures, and attendance

recording web site are reviewed.1.4.4. Q&A

1.4.4.1. Will the Document template change to match the new document control number format? We are trying to minimize the changes – the templates will stay the same.

1.4.4.2. Members can only upload documents through the web site.

1.5. Approve Agenda1.5.1. The agenda is reviewed by the chair.1.5.2. The agenda is approved as stated, without objection.

1.6. Approval of Minutes1.6.1. Any matters arising from the minutes.1.6.2. The minutes from May 2003 are approved without objection.

1.7. Interim Meetings1.7.1. September 2003 – Singapore

1.7.1.1. The May 03 meeting surplus will be transferred to the Singapore meeting to reduce the registration fee by about $140US.


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1.7.1.2. Attendance is unknown – expecting about 250 for planning purposes.

1.7.1.3. Registration must be done through the Tourhosts link only.1.7.2. January 2004 – Vancouver

1.7.2.1. Hosted by IEEE 8021.7.3. Looking for sponsors for May 2004

1.7.3.1. Straw Poll at DFW indicated a preference for Europe, but we don’t have a host.

1.7.3.2. Stuart Kerry notes that we are following the correct process for selecting interim venues, and following the input of the working group. Stuart asks for any issues any member has with venue locations to be brought to his attention.

1.8. Review of financials 1.8.1. Bob Heile reviews the Wireless working groups’ financial status and

previous expenditures, and reserves.1.8.2. The finances are being audited.1.8.3. There is a current cash reserve of about $35K. 1.8.4. There was a second server purchased. The 802 ExCom will

determine whether 802 or the Wireless WG’s will pay for this.

1.9. Report on Executive Committee1.9.1. The 802 treasury has a $62K surplus1.9.2. 802.10 is likely to disband.1.9.3. There are issues in the financial operations of 802.11, 15, 17, and 3

regarding maintaining a treasury for interim meetings. We are moving interim meetings to follow the same rules as the 802 plenary. There will be an executive committee for the wireless groups, and a treasurer will be appointed. The Executive Committee will have a special session to debate the issues on maintaining these accounts last year.

1.10. Voter Status for 802.111.10.1. Al Petrick reviews Document 01/402R13.

1.10.1.1. 397 voters, 139 nearly voters, Potential voters of 536.1.10.1.2. Voting Tokens will be distributed today by Al Petrick

1.11. 802.11 Agenda


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1.11.1.The agenda modification for 802.11 is accepted unanimously by 802.11 members.

1.12. Approval of the 802.11 WG Minutes1.12.1.1. The minutes of 802.11 for May 2003 were approved without

objection.

1.13. 802.11 WG policies and Procedures1.13.1. Al Petrick presents document 03/434r11.13.2. Changes to the policies and procedures are in red.1.13.3. The new document will be 00/331r6. There is a table of

revisions. This document is on the server.1.13.4. There is a global change from “operating rules” to “policies

and procedures”.1.13.5. There are changes to document numbers to match the new

document system.1.13.6. There is the addition of a treasurer and financial operations.1.13.7. Added informative text for TG and WG secretaries for

minutes.1.13.8. The revision will be voted on at the next Plenary meeting in

November.1.13.9. If there are any issues, please contact Al Petrick.

1.14. WG Editor update1.14.1. Terry Cole presents document 03/197r3 on the working

group.1.14.2. Coordinating the technical editor role with the activities in

TGm (Maintenance PAR). 1.14.3. 802.11g has been published. 1.14.4. The reaffirmation of 802.11-1999 has been approved, but not

published yet. It will be on the next CD and can be ordered.1.14.5. Documents on the server describe pending changes from

standards in the sponsor ballot. 1.14.6. Sponsor Pools have been formed for 802.11e and 802.11i.

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1.15.1. Resolving comments. Down to about 20 remaining comments. There have been ad-hoc activities between the May meeting that addressed many comments.

1.15.2. Objective is to resolve all remaining comments before the end of tomorrow. We will have a new draft going to recirculation at the end of the week.

1.16. TGf – Dave Bagby1.16.1. 802.11f is done. It was approved by RevCom in June. It is in

the hands of IEEE waiting for publishing.1.16.2. Stuart Kerry thanks Dave and the TGf group for their work.

1.17. TGg – Matthew Shoemake1.17.1. The final report is in document 03/5211.17.2. The IEEE standards board approved 802.11g on June 12th. It

is now available from IEEE. 1.17.3. There are no further sessions of TGg.1.17.4. Stuart Kerry thanks Matthew and the TGg group for their

work.1.17.5. Stuart Kerry announces a celebration on Wednesday at

11:30.

1.18. TGh – Mika Kasslin1.18.1. In the second recirculation. Will process two comments this

week. Hope to submit draft to RevCom this week.

1.19. TGi – Dave Halasz 1.19.1. Passed LB52 with 76%, LB57 moved to 77% and about

1400 comments. An ad-hoc meeting resolved many comments. The comments are maintained in 03/452.

1.19.2. A proposed update to the draft has been submitted as document 03/485.

1.19.3. Hoping to resolve remaining comments this week, and go to a recirculation ballot.

1.19.4. There will be a discussion of VoIP in the evening WNG session.

1.20. TGj – Sheung Li1.20.1. There are 5 unresolved comments from the first letter ballot.

There will be technical presentations to resolve them. 1.20.2. Planning to have a new draft ready for a recirculation ballot

at the end of the week.


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1.21. TGk – Richard Paine1.21.1. Preparing for Letter Ballot. Hope to have a draft submitted by

the end of the week. 1.21.2. Looking at scenarios and considering quality of signal

measurement issues. Working on framework for fast roaming and MIBs for measurements.

1.22. TGm – Bob O’Hara1.22.1. TGm will meet 3 times on Wednesday. There is one new

interpretation request.1.22.2.

1.23. WNG Standing Committee – TK Tan1.23.1. There are three sessions. 1.23.2. In addition to industry updates, there are presentations on

Ad Hoc networking, VoIP, DSRC proposal. 3GPP3. Wednesday presentations on compression and test methodology. Dave Johnson will review 802 handoff activities.

1.24. HTSG – Jon Rosdahl1.24.1. Hoping to become a task group. Comments on PAR will be

due tomorrow at 5:00PM. Will be approved by WG on Wednesday AM. Expecting ExCom approval on Friday.

1.24.2. In September we will meet as 802.11n.

1.25. Call for Interest1.25.1. Clint Chaplin. There is a call for interest in fast roaming.

More applications require continuous connection during roaming. But more and more state is being added to 802.11.

1.25.2. Desiring to set up a Task Group. Will be put on Agenda in TGi and WNG. There is no overlap between TGi and WNG.

1.25.3. This is a call for interest in a Study Group.

1.26. 802.15 WG – Bob Heile1.26.1. 118 voters, with 207 potentially at this meeting. 1.26.2. There will be a brief 802.15 plenary session at 3:30 today.

There will be discussions of rules and PARs on the table1.26.3. LB24 was to suspend the rules to operate with a treasury.

There were 87 yes, 1 no, 8 abstain.1.26.4. The corresponding results of the 802.11 WG were posted to

the reflector and web site.


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1.26.5. 802.15.2 was approved by the standards board.1.26.6. 802.15.3 – John Barr

1.26.6.1. TG3 has completed its work and has been approved by the standards board.

1.26.7. 802.15.4 1.26.7.1. 802.15.4 was approved in May.

1.26.8. 802.15.3a – Bob Heile1.26.8.1. This meeting will conduct a down-selection vote. From an initial 31

proposals we are down to 6.1.26.9. Study group for 802.15.1 update – Tom Seip

1.26.9.1. There will be a meeting tonight to consider updating 802.15.1 to match Bluetooth 1.2

1.27. Publicity Committee – Brian Matthews.1.27.1. Will meet Tuesday at 8:00. Objective is to receive industry

group reports, and review draft text of press releases.

1.28. Other Working Group PARs1.28.1. There are PARs from other Working Groups

1.28.1.1. 802.1AE - MAC SECURITY 1.28.1.2. 802.1Q (REVISION) - VIRTUAL BRIDGED LANS1.28.1.3. 802.1X (REVISION) - PORT-BASED NETWORK ACCESS

CONTROL1.28.1.4. 802.11N - HIGH THROUGHPUT1.28.1.5. 802.15.1A - BLUETOOTH 1.1 => 1.21.28.1.6. 802.16 (REVISION) - CONSOLIDATION PLUS 2-11 GHZ PROFILES1.28.1.7. 802.16.2 (REVISION) - 2-11 GHZ ENHANCEMENT

1.28.2. We can submit comments on these before Tuesday at 5:00PM.


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1.29. 802.18 – Radio Regulatory TAG – Carl Stephenson1.29.1. Reviewing regulatory letters and results from WARC

1.30. 802.18 – Coexistence TAG – Jim Lansford1.30.1. Will meet this week 1.30.2. Coexistence Guideline document is on the web server.1.30.3. Considering usage models for 802.15.3a. 1.30.4. There have been conference calls every 2 weeks. 1.30.5. There are also conference call results for HTSG usage

models. 1.30.6. Joint sessions with 802.15.3a and HTSG are planned.1.30.7. Will select a vice chair for the TAG.1.30.8. Documents are on the web site at 802.org/19. There also the

local server \\802-18-19

1.31. 802.20 – MBWA – Jerry Upton and Mark Klerer1.31.1. Chair Position is open. There are 184 members. There was

not a quorum at the interim. 1.31.2. This week will have nominations and elections for the chair.

Election will be Thursday afternoon. 1.31.3. There are three correspondence groups on email reflectors.

1.32. IEEE and 802 Brand Identification1.32.1. The representative is not present. It will be brought up on

Wednesday.

1.33. Bob Heile reminds members that there will be an 802.15 plenary session at 3:30

1.34. The meeting is recessed at 2:30 PM

2. Mid-Week Plenary Session2.1. Opening


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2.1.1. The meeting is called to order by Stuart J. Kerry at 10:30AM2.1.2. Operating from 03/445r5 agenda. There have been two new

motions 4.1 and 4.2 added to the agenda, as mentioned on Monday. IEEE staff will hopefully be here to discuss IEEE branding. There is a new item 5.1 in new business for IEEE web area, and a motion from WNG, and then the special event as announced.

2.1.3. The special event will start about 11:30, and we will go into recess. This special event has been sponsored by five companies.

2.2. Announcements2.2.1. Voting tokens will be available at noon at the registration desk.2.2.2. The sponsor ballot pool will be circulated among the members. If

any member is not on the list, they should add contact information.2.2.3. CAC meeting reminder for 7:00AM Thursday.2.2.4. Ideal will have a discussion on the network today at 5:00PM.

2.3. IP Statements2.3.1. Are there any new IP statements or letters?

2.3.1.1. None

2.4. Attendance Recording2.4.1. The attendance application still records all members as “new

members”. We should have voting status in by Friday.2.4.2. Ideal Software company representatives are available.2.4.3. Straw Poll – who thinks the attendance program is better –

Unanimous

2.5. Agenda2.5.1. Are there any other changes to the agenda2.5.2. Approval of agenda

2.5.2.1. Moved Colin / Jon 2.5.2.2. Approved with unanimous consent

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2.6.1. 802.11 to 802.1 2.6.1.1. None

2.6.2. 802.11 to 802.152.6.2.1. No Report

2.6.3. 802.11 to 802.15.3a2.6.3.1. Conducting a down selection process. Now down to 4 proposals.

2.6.4. 802.11 to 802.162.6.4.1. None

2.6.5. 802.11 to 802.182.6.5.1. None

2.6.6. 802.11 to WiFi alliance2.6.6.1. Bill Carney ask if he can defer to Friday? The chair prefers to do it

today. Cannot do it today. 2.6.6.2. Any objection to moving to Friday? Yes. There are two objections.

Terry Cole and Jon Rosdahl.2.6.7. JEDEC JC61 liaison – Tim Wakeley

2.6.7.1. Document 03/5832.6.7.2. 43 member companies. Met last week Members are asked to review

and vote on the BB/RF draft standard. 2.6.7.3. Continuing to review compatibility requirements2.6.7.4. U/L MAC has adopted the electrical interface of the BB/RF interface.

Expecting baseline draft in September.2.6.7.5. Discussion of combined Ethernet / WLAN interfaces.2.6.7.6. New ballots starting August 6. 2.6.7.7. Next meeting Sept 3-4 in Santa Rosa, CA


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2.6.8. 802.11 to CableLabs – Lior Ophir2.6.8.1. Document 03/6132.6.8.2. Coordinating the use of 802.11 in Docsis cable modems. CableHome

1.1 is the current version. 2.6.8.3. 5 residential gateways have been certified.2.6.8.4. The chair moves to Al Petrick2.6.8.5. CableLabs has provided input to the HTSG usage models.

2.6.9. 802.11 to IEEE 1394 – Peter Johansson2.6.9.1. Not Present - 3rd call – removed as liaison

2.6.10. 802.11 to 3GPP-SA2 - Barry2.6.10.1. Not Present – 3rd call – removed as liaison

2.6.11.802.11 to IETF – Dorothy Stanley2.6.11.1. Document 03/5462.6.11.2. 3GPP and IETF met with IETF operations directors, asking for

standards groups to request input on Radius usage. Considering forming a Radius working group. 3GPP2 and WiFi alliance are considering Radius for public WLAN use.

2.6.11.3. BOF session was held to consider a working group on controlling provisioning of Access Points. A secure protocol for lightweight access points and routers. A mailing list has been set up.

2.6.11.4. The CAPWAP charter has been defined.2.6.11.5. The Seamoby group is shutting down.2.6.11.6. The chair moves to Stuart J. Kerry.2.6.11.7. The next IETF meeting is in November2.6.11.8. Discussion

2.6.11.8.1. Is there any way to coordinate to prevent IEEE and IETF meeting the same week? They are trying but sometimes there is a conflict.

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2.6.12.1. Document 03/6092.6.12.2. T71 is working on specifications for CSMA based WLAN including

802.11a. T71 ad hoc WG has been created to revise T71. First draft has been approved. STD-T71 Version 2 is now available. Harmonized with 802.11J draft 1.0. Will have English version soon.

2.6.12.3. Next will deal with new allocations at 5.4GHz and 5.25 for Fixed Wireless Access.

2.7. Old Business2.7.1. 802 PARs and motions for ExCom meeting approval -802.11 HTSG

comments from 802.152.7.1.1. We received a document from 802.15. They had seven comments on

11/03/588. 2.7.1.2. Motion: Believing the response contained in 11-03/0588-00 to be

accurate and to meet IEEE-SA guidelines for responses to comments on the PAR & 5 Criteria contained in 11-02/798r7 & 11-02/799r6, approve WG 802.11 providing the aforementioned response to WG 802.15 (author of comments on WG 802.11 PAR & 5 Criteria contained in 03288r0P802-15_WG-Comments-on-11n-PAR-&-5C.pdf) and all ExCom Members no later than 5pm Wednesday, July 23, 2003.2.7.1.2.1. Moved Jon Rosdahl2.7.1.2.2. on behalf of HTSG (passed 97:0:1 in HTSG)

2.7.1.3. Discussion2.7.1.3.1. None

2.7.1.4. Vote: Passes 145 : 0 : 32.7.2. IEEE Brand Identification

2.7.2.1. Karen McCabe – Sr. Marketing Manager from Standards Association.

2.7.2.2. Discussion of how IEEE can support brand identification of products. IEEE works to protect the value of the IEEE brand name. Use the IEEE logo. The Master Brand is available on the IEEE web site.

2.7.2.3. Specific practices for brand identification – associate the standard number with the IEEE. Use trademarks for standards designations.

2.7.2.4. PR programs are available for publicity purposes. 2.7.2.5. Requesting input from the WG and industry on marketing and

branding needs and requirements. 2.7.2.6. Q&A2.7.2.7. What is the relationship with the WiFi alliance and their branding?

The WiFi alliance has put effort into insuring interoperability. What is the value of the IEEE brand above what WiFi offers?

2.7.2.8. WiFi does reference IEEE. This is about protecting the IEEE brand. IEEE is the technical expertise of developing the standards. IEEE does work closely with WiFi Alliance.


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2.7.2.9. What about stating conformance to draft standards? Many companies want to claim conformance to a draft standard – from the IEEE perspective, as long as it is clear that it is a draft standard, the IEEE is OK with the practice.

2.7.3. 802.11 Web Private Area2.7.3.1. Ken Clements2.7.3.2. Concerned about access to private areas of the web site. There is a

need for public access, but also the needs of the IEEE SA must be considered. There have been problems with the password of the private area during some recent ballots. To decrease our problems with administration suggest that we stop changing the password for the private area unless it has become public. Then there won’t be an issue during letter ballots.

2.7.3.3. Motion: Whereas: the 802.11 Working Group maintains a private web area for the purpose of standards development , and is required to protect unpublished drafts, but must provide access for voting and comments without undue procedural difficulty. Resolved: the Chair of the 802.11 shall refrain from changing, or authorizing others to change, the private web area user code or password unless he or she has made a determination that the access information has become public, or known well beyond the community of standards developers concerned.

2.7.3.4. Moved Ken Clements2.7.3.5. Second Srini Kandalas2.7.3.6. Discussion

2.7.3.6.1. In favor: Decreases procedural overhead. When we have a LB – anybody may make comments.

2.7.3.6.2. These drafts are kept private because they are drafts. As they become closer to completion, they are sold by the IEEE. Otherwise anyone can come to the meeting and pay the fee for the meeting. The IEEE gains revenue from meeting fees and drafts.

2.7.3.6.3. Oppose this because we provide the password information by email to all voting members. It is the responsibility of members to inform the officers of updates in contact information and email address.

2.7.3.6.4. Opposed – members do lose their voting rights all the time. Those who lose their rights should not have access to the private area.

2.7.3.6.5. For the motion – this doesn’t say make the drafts public. Members don’t have the responsibility to receive the password. Emails may get lost.

2.7.3.6.6. Against – this is not the right way to fix the problem. Perhaps the announcement could contain the password.

2.7.3.7. Call the question / Matthew Sherman / John Kowalski 2.7.3.7.1. The motion is called without objection

2.7.3.8. Vote: Motion Fails 3 : 112 : 282.7.4. WNG Motion –

2.7.4.1. Defer until Friday

2.8. Special Agenda Item2.8.1. The WG Chair would like to recess for a privately funded event to

celebrate the passage of the 802.11F and 802.11G standards. The WG Chair thanks the sponsoring companies: Broadcom, Intersil, Texas Instruments, Atheros, and the Wi-Fi Alliance.


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2.8.2. The WG chair asks the body if there are any objections to taking photographs of this event? None.

2.9. The meeting is recessed at 11:40AM.

3. Closing Plenary Session, Friday, July 25, 20033.1. Opening

3.1.1. The meeting is called to order at 8:05AM by Stuart J. Kerry.3.1.2. The agenda is in 03/445r6.

3.2. Agenda3.2.1. The agenda is adopted as stated without objections.

3.3. Announcements3.3.1. The Wi-Fi liaison report will be posted as 03/0652r0 after this

meeting.3.3.2. The Singapore meeting registration will be up today. It will be $700

Australian or $450US. Book the hotel through the registration link. Info for visa requirements and invitation letters are present on the link. We are looking for volunteers for loaning us LCD projectors.

3.3.3. We still need interim hosts for May 2004 and September 2004. We have an offer from Samsung for May 2004.

3.3.4. CAC members are reminded of upcoming teleconferences and due dates for minutes and web site updates.

3.3.5. No new IP statements have been received. The chair requests any new statements, and there are none.

3.4. Documentation Update3.4.1. Straw Poll – how many members think the software has improved

the documentation numbering and submission process? 109 for, 0 against, 4 abstain.

3.4.2. Send comments on software to Al Petrick.3.4.3. We are moving towards a record year of documents. There are

almost 200 documents at this meeting.3.4.4. The chair thanks Broadcom, Intersil. TI, Atheros, and the WiFi

alliance for providing funds for the private celebration we had on Wednesday.

3.5. Reports3.5.1. TGe – John Fakatselis


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3.5.1.1. Report in document 03-6463.5.1.2. Approved resolutions for LB51. Have approved a new draft. Will

request recirculation ballot on the new draft3.5.1.3. Announcing an Interim meeting the week of August 24 in New

Jersey.3.5.1.4. Will conduct a 21 day recirculation ballot, timed to enable the interim

meeting to resolve comments. The objective of the Interim would be to conduct another recirculation.

3.5.1.5. Discussion3.5.1.5.1. There will be a motion to conduct an interim? Yes3.5.1.5.2. When will the first teleconference be conducted? There

is 30 day notices. The motion must have the time and date set. We have an ongoing approval for continuing teleconferences until letter ballots are issued.

3.5.2. TGh – Mika Kasslin3.5.2.1. Report in 03/5983.5.2.2. Completed comment resolutions on Sponsor 2nd recirculation Ballot.

Held final motions. 3.5.2.3. Ballot history – sponsor ballot was 92% affirmative. First recirc got to

96%. Final recirculation was 98% affirmative with 2 comments. Only remaining “No” vote has been changed to “Yes”. There were no new technical comments, and all comments were rejected by unanimous vote.

3.5.2.4. The WG chair reminds all chairs that all comments, whether technical or editorial, need to be addressed.

3.5.2.5. The TGh draft will be moving to ExCom and RevCom.3.5.2.6. The WG wishes Mika good luck and thanks him for all his work.3.5.2.7. Discussion

3.5.2.7.1. There is no need for further recirculation because the comments were attached to a “Yes” vote.

3.5.3. TGi – Dave Halasz3.5.3.1. Report in document 03/6483.5.3.2. Will have a motion for a 15 day recirculation3.5.3.3. Interim meetings August 26-28 in Portland OR, and October 14-16,

in Herndon VA.3.5.3.4. Comments on LB57 in 03/452r6. There were 1467 comments, 1214

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3.5.3.5. Will have motions for delayed recirculation, authorize and empower September and October meeting.

3.5.3.6. Considering how security in future task groups is addressed. The scope of TGi has to have limits so it can be completed. Discussions will continue in WNG

3.5.3.7. Next meeting to address comments from recirculation ballot.3.5.3.8. Discussion

3.5.3.8.1. Given that there are 7 weeks, why is a 15 day recirculation necessary? We wanted to get the draft out, and then meet at the interim in Portland to address comments.

3.5.3.9.3.5.4. TGj – Sheung Li

3.5.4.1. Report in document 03/6363.5.4.2. Reviewed remaining comments on letter ballot.3.5.4.3. Passed motions on 10MHz channelization.3.5.4.4. Affirmed 10Mhz channelization, but no motion to adopt specific

mechanism was able to pass.3.5.4.5. Plan to issue a new draft in September.

3.5.5. TGk – Richard Paine3.5.5.1. Report in document 03/6513.5.5.2. Were not able to complete draft for letter ballot.3.5.5.3. Still have a number of working issues to solve. 3.5.5.4. Objectives for Sept 2003 : conduct Letter Ballot, have additional

presentations.3.5.5.5. Will continue weekly teleconferences on Wednesdays 3.5.5.6. Planning to have draft ready at start of September meeting.

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3.5.6.2. Processed interpretation requests and forward to WG for approval. Begin to develop updates to the standard.

3.5.6.3. Used submissions 03/199r1 and 03/382r73.5.6.4. Any members questions on the standard is through the interpretation

request procedure on the IEEE web site.3.5.6.5. Review of interpretation request and response in beacon timing

issue.3.5.6.6. The resolution will be presented to the WG for approval.3.5.6.7. Response in 03/576r13.5.6.8. Discussion

3.5.6.8.1. The WG chair reminds the membership that interpretation request are also on the 802.11 web site.

3.5.7. WNG – TK Tan3.5.7.1. Report in document 03/6303.5.7.2. Had presentations on VoIP, SDR forum, ad-hoc, data compression,

test methodology, DSRC, 3GPP, child safety, and fast handoff. 3.5.7.3. Conducted a short WIG meeting, more time will be available in

Singapore3.5.7.4. Upcoming motions on DSRC study group, and 802.11 fast handoff –

planning study groups on these topics.3.5.7.5. September objectives: Continue receiving contributions on topics of

presentations.3.5.7.6. Discussion

3.5.7.6.1. In May we had planned to have a public presentation from the 802.11 chairs to update the wireless community of Singapore. We are going to re-schedule that, and the Singapore government will bring in several high level speakers. That will be Friday afternoon.

3.5.8. Publicity – Brian Matthews3.5.8.1. Report in document 03/5193.5.8.2. Received reports from industry trade groups, and reviewed press

releases. 3.5.8.3. WiMedia Alliance presented on their activities. 3.5.8.4. Press release for formation of TGn on the server as document

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3.5.8.5. Reviewed text for press release of 802.15.2, 802.15.3 and 802.15.4.3.5.8.6. The WG chair notes that this 802 plenary are 1400 people, and 2/3

of the people are attending wireless groups.3.5.9. HTSG – Jon Rosdahl

3.5.9.1. Report in 03/5203.5.9.2. Special committees on usage model and channel models met this

week, and will provide input to TGn meetings in Singapore. 3.5.9.3. PAR and 5 criteria were posted to ExCom. Comments were received

and responded to. All comments were processed and responded in a timely manner.

3.5.9.4. 802.11n will be created by September. Straw Polls were conducted to start defining selection procedure. Conference call on selections will be held Aug 27th and Sept 3rd.

3.5.9.5. PAR and 5 criteria have been posted as required by 802 ExCom. 3.5.9.6. The SG chair thanks the members for their help in completing the

work.3.5.9.7. The WG chair thanks Jon for his exemplary work in the HTSG.

3.5.10. WG Technical Editor – Terry Cole3.5.10.1. Report in Document 197r33.5.10.2. Met with all TG editors this week, and with the IEEE. 3.5.10.3. Only Draft 3.0 of TGi is available for sale.3.5.10.4. There will be motions to forward documents to ISO.3.5.10.5. Electronic attachments are available for SDL and MIB..3.5.10.6. IEEE will provide an electronic PICS template.

3.5.11.ANA Status Update3.5.11.1. There have been several requests in document 03/635. We have

received element numbers. Everything needed for TGe has been received.

3.5.12. 802 Handoff Study Group – DJ Johnson3.5.12.1. Report in document (handoff SG) 030.


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3.5.12.2. Working on PAR, titles, and problem statement. 3.5.12.3. Approved draft text for these.3.5.12.4. Will request formation of new WG. The 802.11 WG chair supports

this motion.3.5.12.5. Planning to have PAR and all other document by the end of

September meeting.3.5.12.6. There are some questions regarding the relationship between this

SG and 802.11 fast roaming.3.5.12.7. Discussion

3.5.12.7.1. Could the output documents be forwarded to the 802.11 reflector? Yes.

3.6. Standing Orders – Motions in Old Business3.6.1. TGe

3.6.1.1. Motion: Authorize the TGe editor to issue draft 5.0 by incorporating the TGe comment resolutions from LB #51 and to submit the draft for a 21- day WG recirculation ballot no later than August 1, 2003.3.6.1.1.1. Moved John Fakatselis on behalf of TGe3.6.1.1.2. The question is called without objection.3.6.1.1.3. Vote on the motion: 113 : 0 : 0

3.6.1.2. Motion: Conditionally authorize the September 2003 Interim meeting to resolve comments from the TGe recirculation ballot, to create a new draft and to issue a WG recirculation ballot or request initiating a sponsor ballot and conduct any activities required for sponsor ballot assuming that comment resolutions have been completed from the most recent at the time TGe recirculation ballot.3.6.1.2.1. Moved John Fakatselis on behalf of TGe3.6.1.2.2. Discussion

3.6.1.2.2.1. To issue a draft to Sponsor Ballot, ExCom approval is required. That would require a conditional approval out of this meeting. That means the final results have to be presented to ExCom today. This is regarding Procedure 10. The intention is to not impede any process toward sponsor ballot. This is not actually approving sponsor ballot.

3.6.1.2.2.2. Without procedure 10 approval a sponsor ballot cannot be started. Would accept an amendment?

3.6.1.2.2.3. Suggests dividing the question – authorization for WG recirculation, and another regarding sponsor ballot.

3.6.1.2.2.4. This has been discussed with ExCom members. It is possible through the use of ExCom email ballots. This motion does not state how it would be done specifically. This motion requests the WG chair initiate an ExCom email ballot.

3.6.1.2.2.5. The WG chair asks the TG chair if the documentation will be in order by that time to initiate an ExCom email ballot. The preference is that these approvals are done in a face to face meeting rather than email. The WG chair cautions that there is a danger in this process.


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3.6.1.2.2.6. Recent experiences with email ballots at ExCom have been negative. Urges that we don’t do it again.

3.6.1.2.2.7. The WG chair notes that SEC members have dissention, and don’t like it. Warns that there is a risk of a repeat problem.

3.6.1.2.2.8. If all Procedure 10 materials are in place, and there are no objections, then the ExCom wouldn’t mind. This motion could prevent wasting time if everything is in order for Sponsor Ballot at the end of the September meeting.

3.6.1.2.3. The question is called without objection3.6.1.2.4. Vote on the motion: passes 94 : 4 : 14

3.6.1.3. Motion: Conditionally authorize the Task Group 802.11e meeting, to be held the week of August 24, 2003, to resolve comments from the TGe recirculation ballot, to create a new draft and to submit for a 15 – day WG recirculation ballot assuming that comment resolutions have been completed from the most recent TGe recirculation ballot.3.6.1.3.1. Moved John Fakatselis on behalf of TGe3.6.1.3.2. Discussion

3.6.1.3.2.1. What is the proposed status of the meeting? Ad-Hoc vs. Interim? We want limited empowerment to resolve comments and send out a recirculation.

3.6.1.3.2.2. Question to the WG chair – Will the output of the meeting have to be ratified? Yes the chair says the output has to come back to the WG if it is an ad-hoc.

3.6.1.3.2.3. The WG chair rules this is an ad-hoc meeting. 3.6.1.3.2.3.1. The WG chair asks if there is any

request to appeal the ruling? None.3.6.1.3.2.4. the TGi chair grants one more minute to this

motion.3.6.1.3.2.5. The TG chair asks to empower those who meet

to send out a recirculation3.6.1.3.3. This should be a formal TGe task group session. In favor

of the motion.3.6.1.3.4. Motion to amend: add the word “Interim”.

3.6.1.3.4.1. Moved Matthew Shoemake3.6.1.3.4.2. Second John Fakatselis3.6.1.3.4.3. Call for the orders of the day3.6.1.3.4.4. Moved Jon Rosdahl3.6.1.3.4.5. Defer this motion until new business


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3.6.2. TGi Motions – Dave Halasz3.6.2.1. Motion: At the September IEEE 802.11 interim meeting: empower

TGi to make motions, address comments received from letter ballot, adopt a new draft and forward to WG re-circulation.3.6.2.1.1. Moved Dave Halasz – on behalf of TGi3.6.2.1.2. Vote: Passes 105 : 0 : 3

3.6.2.2. Motion: Authorize a 15-day LB recirculation of 802.11i draft 5.0 by TGi to conclude no later than 8/19/2003.3.6.2.2.1. Moved Dave Halasz – on behalf of TGi3.6.2.2.2. Vote: passes 100 : 3 : 2

3.6.2.3. Motion: Approve a meeting to be held by TGi on October 14, 2003 through 16 empowered to make motions to address comments received from letter ballot, adopt a new draft and forward to WG re-circulation.3.6.2.3.1. Moved Dave Halasz – on behalf of TGi3.6.2.3.2. Discussion

3.6.2.3.2.1. This motion enables the comments to be brought back to the full working group before conducting a sponsor ballot.

3.6.2.3.3. Vote: passes 101 : 3 : 53.6.3. TGj Motions – Sheung Li

3.6.3.1. Motion: Approve teleconferences to be held by TGj no more than every two weeks, prior to 9/14/2003, and at a starting time and date announced at least 30 days in advance using the WG 802.11 reflector.3.6.3.1.1. Moved Sheung Li on behalf of TGj3.6.3.1.2. Vote: Passes 90 : 0 : 1

3.6.3.2. Motion: Approve an ad hoc meeting to be held by TGj prior to 9/14/2003.3.6.3.2.1. Moved Sheung Li on behalf of TGj3.6.3.2.2. Vote: Passes 89 : 0 : 2

3.6.3.3. Motion: Conditionally authorize a 15-day LB recirculation to conclude no later than 11/10/2003, conditional on the existence of a comment response database and document by TGj meeting rules for letter ballot.3.6.3.3.1. Moved Sheung Li on behalf of TGj


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3.6.3.3.2. Vote: Passes 83 : 0 : 83.6.4. TGk Motions – Richard Paine

3.6.4.1. Motion: Conditionally authorize a 40-day LB to conclude no later than one week prior to the November plenary asking the question “Should the attached draft by TGk be forwarded to SB,” conditional on the existence of a document by 802.11 WG meeting rules for letter ballot.3.6.4.1.1. Moved Richard Paine on behalf of TGk3.6.4.1.2. Vote: Passes 89 : 1 : 5

3.6.5. TGm Motions – Bob O’Hara3.6.5.1. Motion: To accept and forward the interpretation response contained

in document 03-576 to Linda Gargiulo at the IEEE office as the official response of the 802.11 working group.3.6.5.1.1. Moved Bob O’Hara on behalf of TGm3.6.5.1.2. Vote: Passes 87 : 0 : 2

3.6.6. WNG Motions – TK Tan3.6.6.1. Motion: Request that an 802.11 Study Group be formed to develop

an amendment to extend and modify the 802.11 5GHz PHY to support DSRC technology in the 5.9GHz DSRC (Dedicated Short Range Communication) band, and incorporate necessary MAC changes.3.6.6.1.1. Moved TK Tan on behalf of WNG3.6.6.1.2. The chair notes that this motion requires ExCom

Approval.3.6.6.1.3. Discussion

3.6.6.1.3.1. Request for a brief synopsis of papers that are presented. Is there sufficient interest to form a study group? Yes there was a large number in WNG in support of this work

3.6.6.1.3.2. There is potential for a turf war. This does not describe WLAN technology. Asking the WG chair for an opinion if this is a PAN.

3.6.6.1.3.3. DSRC is some what of an misnomer. The power can be up to 44dBM up to 1000 meters. The terminology is a hold-over from techniques used for toll reading.

3.6.6.1.3.4. The WG chair affirms that this is an 802.11 activity

3.6.6.1.4. Vote on the motion: Passes 83 : 9 : 193.6.6.2. Motion: Request to the WG to bring to ExCom that an 802.11 Study

Group be formed to develop an amendment to extend and modify the 802.11 MAC to support fast roaming/fast handoff.3.6.6.2.1. Moved TK Tan on behalf of WNG


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3.6.6.2.2. Discussion3.6.6.2.2.1. Motion to amend: Add the text “with no meetings

starting before November” at the end of the motion.3.6.6.2.2.1.1. Moved Dave Halasz3.6.6.2.2.1.2. Second Clint Chaplin

3.6.6.2.2.2. Vote on the amendment: Passes with unanimous consent

3.6.6.3. Motion as amended: Request to the WG to bring to ExCom that an 802.11 Study Group be formed to develop an amendment to extend and modify the 802.11 MAC to support fast roaming/fast handoff with meetings no sooner than November 2003.3.6.6.3.1. Discussion

3.6.6.3.1.1. There was a motion to form a Working Group on Fast Handoff. How does the WG chair plan to represent this at the ExCom.

3.6.6.3.1.2. The WG chair decides to withdraw his second for the 802. Working Group on fast handoff, and will support this motion for a Study Group in 802.11

3.6.6.3.1.3. How do we differentiate this fast handoff from the 802 WG on Handoff? What is the distinct identity.

3.6.6.3.1.4. The WNG group has clarified the differences with DJ and the 802 group.

3.6.6.3.1.5. This has been endorsed by the chair of the 802 handoff group as distinct. The 802 handoff is between 802 working groups, but this proposed Study group is within 802.11.

3.6.6.3.1.6. The WG chair notes that the 802 handoff SG chair has affirmed this position with him.

3.6.6.3.2. Vote on the motion: Passes 96 : 2 : 133.6.7. Recess for break at 10:03AM, until 10:23AM3.6.8. Publicity Motions

3.6.8.1. Motion: Believing that the formation of 802.11n is newsworthy and that information in 11-03-556 is accurate and appropriate for a press release, approve transmission of aforementioned document to IEEE-SA marketing staff.3.6.8.1.1. Moved Al Petrick on behalf of Publicity Committee3.6.8.1.2. The chair notes that this is dependant on ExCom

Approval3.6.8.1.3. Vote: Passes 68 : 0 : 2

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3.6.9.1. Move to forward IEEE 802.11h Draft 3.11 to the IEEE 802 SEC and the RevCom for final approval.3.6.9.1.1. Moved Mika Kasslin on behalf of TGh3.6.9.1.2. Vote: Passes 78 : 0 : 1

3.6.10. TGe Motion – continued3.6.10.1. Motion on the floor: Conditionally authorize the Task Group 802.11e

meeting, to be held the week of August 24, 2003, to resolve comments from the TGe recirculation ballot, to create a new draft and to submit for a 15 – day WG recirculation ballot assuming that comment resolutions have been completed from the most recent TGe recirculation ballot.3.6.10.1.1. Motion to amend – on the floor: Add the word “Interim”

3.6.10.1.1.1. Discussion 3.6.10.1.1.1.1. The WG chair quotes from the 802.11

policies and procedures section 3.6.2. “A TG will normally meet during 802 plenaries… Interim meetings can be held…. “ The WG chair states that interim meetings are in order. Task Groups may have interim meetings, subject to overruling by higher authorities.

3.6.10.1.1.1.2. The WG chair requests that the previous ruling on Ad Hoc be struck from the record.

3.6.10.1.1.1.3. There is a 30 day notice requirement – the notice must be on the web site today. Harry will make sure it is on the web site today.

3.6.10.1.1.1.4. The meeting actually starts August 25th.3.6.10.1.1.2. Vote on the amendment on the motion: Passes

75 : 0 : 13.6.10.2. Motion on the floor: Conditionally authorize an Interim Task Group

802.11e meeting, to be held the week of August 24, 2003, to resolve comments from the TGe recirculation ballot, to create a new draft and to submit for a 15 – day WG recirculation ballot assuming that comment resolutions have been completed from the most recent TGe recirculation ballot.3.6.10.2.1. Vote on the main motion: Passes 76 : 2 : 3

3.6.10.3. Motion: Conditionally authorize a Task Group 802.11e Interim meeting, to be held the month of October, 2003, to resolve comments from the TGe recirculation ballot, to create a new draft and to submit for WG recirculation ballot and or request a sponsor ballot assuming that comment resolutions have been completed from the most recent TGe recirculation ballot.3.6.10.3.1. Moved John Fakatselis3.6.10.3.2. Second Dave Halasz3.6.10.3.3. Vote: Passes 80 : 2 : 2

3.6.10.4. Motion to authorize Task Group 802.11e to conduct teleconferences for the purposes of resolving ballot comments for any ballots held prior to the next 802 Plenary.3.6.10.4.1. Moved Matthew Sherman3.6.10.4.2. Second Srini Kandala


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3.6.10.4.3. Discussion3.6.10.4.3.1. This motion lacks the required notice for holding

a public motion for 802.11. 3.6.10.4.4. Motion to amend to include the words “properly

announced 30 days prior to the teleconferences”3.6.10.4.4.1. Moved Bob O’Hara3.6.10.4.4.2. Second Srini K3.6.10.4.4.3. Vote on the amendment: Accepted by

unanimous consent3.6.10.5. Motion on the floor: Motion to authorize Task Group 802.11e to

conduct teleconferences properly announced 30 days prior to the teleconferences, for the purposes of resolving ballot comments for any ballots held prior to the next 802 Plenary.3.6.10.5.1. Vote: Approved with unanimous consent

3.7. Reports3.7.1. 802.18 – Carl Stephenson

3.7.1.1. Report in document 18-03-0044.3.7.1.2. Prepared comments on FCC NPRM on 5GHz allocation.3.7.1.3. Approved regulatory document, replying to comments of detractors.3.7.1.4. Updated policies and procedures, 3.7.1.5. Adopted resolution to work with WFA regulatory committee to work

on 802.11d issues regarding passive scanning. 3.7.1.6.3.7.1.7. To approve document 18-03-0041-00-0000_802_Cmts_ET-03-

122_r0.doc,authorizing the Chair of 802.18 to do necessary editorial and formatting changes, seek SEC approval as an 802 document, and file the document in a timely fashion with the FCC.3.7.1.7.1. Moved Carl Stephenson an behalf of 802.183.7.1.7.2. Also approved in 802.15 and 802.163.7.1.7.3. Second Harry Worstell3.7.1.7.4. Vote: approved with unanimous consent.


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3.7.1.8. To approve document 18-03-0042-00-0000_Rep_Cmts_IB_01_185_IB-02-364_Addtl_2.4GHz_Spectrum_r0.doc,authorizing the Chair of 802.18 to do necessary editorial and formatting changes, seek SEC approval as an 802 document, and file the document in a timely fashion with the FCC.3.7.1.8.1. Moved Carl Stephenson an behalf of 802.183.7.1.8.2. Also approved in 802.15 and 802.163.7.1.8.3. Second: Amjad Soomro3.7.1.8.4. Vote: passes 73 : 0 : 4

3.7.2. 802.19 Coexistence TAG – Jim Lansford3.7.2.1. Report in document 802-19/03-0253.7.2.2. Held joint session with 802.15.3a on coexistence usage models.3.7.2.3. Held a session in 802.11 HTSG and had Q&A for how the process

would be conducted in 802.11n. 802.19 will develop usage model document appropriate for 802.11n

3.7.2.4. Reviewed coexistence guideline, will split into 3 parts. 3.7.2.5. Conducted vice chair and editor elections3.7.2.6. Will continue working on usage models in September.

3.8. General Discussion3.8.1. The WG chair had some discussion on the relationship between

WNG fast roaming and the 802 handoff.3.8.2. The chairs of the respective groups agree that there is no overlap. 3.8.3. Asking the WG chair to reconsider the support of the PAR for the

802 handoff WG3.8.4. The WG chair will revert his position to support the formation of 802

link handoff in SEC. He wishes to strike his previous statement from the record.

3.9. New business3.9.1. HTSG – Jon Rosdahl

3.9.1.1. The chair of HTSG thanks his chair and editors for their help in the Study Group

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3.9.2.1. Move to submit 802.11-1999 (2003 edition) including 802.11d amendment, to ISO/IEC for Fast Track Approval through he UK national body. Robin Tasker has volunteered to make the submission, and Terry Cole will be the project editor3.9.2.1.1. Moved Terry Cole3.9.2.1.2. Second Garth Hillman3.9.2.1.3. Discussion

3.9.2.1.3.1. Isn’t 802.11d in the 2003 edition? Why is it called out specially? Because it is the new material that hasn’t already gone through ISO,

3.9.2.1.3.2. Including 802.11b Cor1? Yes3.9.2.1.4. Vote: Passes with unanimous approval.

3.10. Next Meeting3.10.1. The next meeting will be Sept 14-19 in Singapore.3.10.2. The registration link will be on the web site.

3.11. The meeting is adjourned at 11:16 AM3.11.1.Unanimous consent


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