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DETROIT BOARD OF POLICE COMMISSIONERS

EASTERN DISTRICT EVENING MEETING

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2013, 6:30 PM

EAST ENGLISH VILLAGE PREPARATORY ACADEMY

5020 CADIEUX

DETROIT, MICHIGAN

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1 COMMISSIONERS:

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3 GEORGE ANTHONY, Secretary

4 JEROME L. WARFIELD, SR., Commissioner

5 DONNELL R. WHITE, Commissioner

6 JESSICA TAYLOR, Commissioner

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15 ASSISTANT CHIEF PAUL WELLS

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1 Detroit, Michigan

2 Thursday, February 14, 2013

3 About 6:47 p.m.

4 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Good afternoon

5 -- let's just say good evening, ladies and

6 gentlemen. Welcome to the Board of Detroit

7 Police Commissioners meeting.

8 My name is Jerome Warfield, Chairman of

9 the Board of Police Commissioners. Serving with

10 me right now at the table is also the

11 Vice-Chairperson for the Board Commissioner

12 Jessica Taylor as well as Deputy chief -- I'm

13 sorry, Assistant Chief Wells. Assistant Chief

14 Wells is sitting in for the Chief's Office.

15 Commissioner White is en route, traffic

16 is horrible out there, but Commissioner White is

17 en route and then also sitting at the table with

18 us tonight is the Board's Secretary, Mr. George

19 Anthony and I'm going to ask if Mr. Anthony could

20 introduce the rest of our staff tonight.

21 SECRETARY ANTHONY: Thank you, Chairman

22 Warfield. Present today we have Ms. Celia Banks

23 Washington who is our attorney to the Board

24 seated in the front. Ms. Pamela Davis-Drake, our

25 Chief Investigator from the Office of the Chief

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1 Investigator seated next to her and Sgt. Steven

2 Miles from the -- representing the Personnel

3 Bureau.

4 We have Mr. Robert Brown who is our

5 office manager, Sgt. Alan Quinn recording our

6 proceeding and Mr. Dale Rose from Hanson Court

7 Reporting Service.

8 That completes the introductions, sir.

9 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Thank you,

10 Mr. Anthony. At this time is Pastor Howard

11 Parker here? Could you come down, sir, and so

12 glad to have you here. Going to ask if you could

13 come and lead us in our invocation for tonight's

14 meeting and, again, glad to see you and glad to

15 have you here.

16 (INVOCATION GIVEN.)

17 (COMMISSIONER WHITE ARRIVES.)


19 Pastor Parker. Appreciate it, sir. We are

20 excited and delighted to be here at East English

21 Village Preparatory Academy and we certainly want

22 to thank Principal Pat Murray for her

23 hospitality. Is she here tonight, Principal

24 Murray? Could you just give us a brief welcome,

25 ma'am, please.

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1 This is a beautiful, beautiful facility

2 and we thank you so very much for allowing us to

3 do this on very short order and very short

4 notice.

5 PRINCIPAL MURRAY: Thank you. Welcome

6 everyone to East English Village Preparatory

7 Academy. This is a school that the children of

8 Detroit deserve. They deserve this. This is

9 theirs.

10 We encourage them to take ownership and

11 to take care of it. And, of course, I love the

12 name East English Village because it takes a

13 village to raise a child, so I'm so happy to have

14 you here this evening for this meeting, and I'm

15 happy to have our Detroit Police Commissioners

16 here also in our building because it takes all of

17 us to work with our children.

18 So thank you and welcome and welcome to

19 you all.

20 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Thank you

21 again, Ms. Murray. Give her a hand, please.

22 (APPLAUSE.)

23 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: For the record,

24 we will note that Commissioner White has joined

25 us and we do have an official quorum.

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1 I'm going to ask at this time if

2 Commissioner White would read the duties and

3 responsibilities of the Board of Police

4 Commissioners for those who may be at our meeting

5 for the first time.

6 COMMISSIONER WHITE: Thank you,

7 Mr. Chair. Let me say good evening to everyone.

8 The Board of Police Commissioners was

9 created by City Charter July 1, 1974. Its

10 composition currently is a five-member appointed

11 by the Mayor and confirmed by City Council body.

12 Commissioners serve five-year terms and

13 may not serve more than five years consecutively.

14 The Commission meets once a week 52 weeks out of

15 the year. All meetings are open to the public.

16 Its duties include establish policy,

17 rules and regulations in consultation with the

18 Chief and approval of the Mayor, to review and

19 approve the department's budget, to review and

20 approve department promotions, to receive and

21 resolve complaints concerning the operation of

22 the police department, to serve as the final

23 authority to impose and/or review discipline of

24 police department employees, to appoint the

25 civilian personnel director, to prepare an annual

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1 report of department activities for the public,

2 Mayor and City Council.

3 Its staff includes an Executive

4 Secretary who serves as Secretary to the Board

5 and attends all meetings, a Chief Investigator

6 and additional investigators and other staff as

7 necessary to provide support to the Board.

8 The Police Commission considers itself

9 a liaison between the citizens of the city of

10 Detroit and the Detroit Police Department.

11 That concludes, Mr. Chair.

12 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Thank you, sir,

13 we certainly appreciate that. At this time we

14 will entertain a motion to approve tonight's

15 agenda.

16 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I move to

17 approve.

18 COMMISSIONER WHITE: Support.

19 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: It's been

20 properly moved and supported. Any discussion?

21 Seeing and hearing none, all those in favor?

22 COMMISSIONERS: Aye.

23 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: All those

24 opposed? Motion carries. We'll also entertain a

25 motion to approve the minutes from Thursday's

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1 meeting January 31, 2013.

2 COMMISSIONER WHITE: So moved.

3 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Support.


5 properly moved and supported. Hearing and seeing

6 no discussion, all those in favor?



9 opposed? Motion carried. Then finally we have

10 -- I will entertain a motion to approve the

11 minutes from Thursday's meeting, February 7,

12 2013.

13 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: So moved.

14 COMMISSIONER WHITE: Support.


16 properly moved and supported. All those in

17 favor?


19 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Motion carries.

20 At this time the agenda calls for the

21 Chairperson's report and I will be somewhat

22 brief.

23 Again, certainly it is very nice to be

24 here in East English Village Preparatory Academy.

25 Certainly we are here primarily because of the

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1 outstanding representation that students and

2 parents and teachers from DPS came to our meeting

3 a few weeks ago expounding and talking about

4 their concerns as relates to the proposed

5 reorganization of the Detroit Police Department.

6 And so we thought it would be fitting

7 to come to this community location to talk more

8 detail about how this proposed reorg impacts the

9 citizens that live in this city, the students

10 that go not only to this school, but schools

11 across the city of Detroit.

12 And certainly later on in our meeting

13 we certainly want to hear from all of you who

14 have a vested interest in the proposed reorg for

15 the city. Also just for the record we want to

16 indicate that we did receive some communication

17 from the Chief's Office I believe yesterday

18 indicating a desire to have more promotions, and

19 these were primarily for the executive teams

20 regarding lieutenants and inspectors, deputy

21 chiefs and assistant chief.

22 And certainly we will not take those up

23 at this meeting, but we will have conversation

24 about them at a meeting upcoming, so we will deal

25 with that then.

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1 We also want to thank Tac Ops for their

2 outstanding service this past weekend and they

3 deserve a hand.

4 (APPLAUSE.)

5 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: They were able

6 to squash a situation downtown before it got

7 completely out of hand and were able to keep

8 people where they needed to be and take charge of

9 that situation, so we just thank our men and

10 women, their force, and certainly yesterday I

11 want to thank our Gang Squad and you definitely

12 want to give them a hand.

13 (APPLAUSE.)

14 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: You know, I

15 don't know if it has really hit us, but Detroit

16 has never had a situation like we've seen on the

17 national media as relates to attacks in our

18 schools and I think part of the reason is because

19 of the outstanding job that our men and women in

20 blue do as a partner with the schools throughout

21 the city of Detroit and as they gain intel,

22 intelligence information, in their vary unique

23 ways to make sure that they squash events before

24 they happen.

25 And so we -- our hats are off to those

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1 men and women who make up those particular

2 departments within our force, and we thank you

3 from the bottom of our hearts.

4 At this time we want to hear from the

5 Eastern District. We're here in the Eastern

6 District territory and so we're going to ask if

7 Inspector Jones will come and give us your

8 report, sir.

9 INSP. JONES: Sure. May it please

10 this Honorable Board, Asst. Chief Paul Wells,

11 Insp. Eric Jones, commanding officer of the

12 Eastern District. May I have a moment to

13 introduce my staff?

14 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Sure, but

15 before you do that because I was remiss I forgot

16 to re-introduce Asst. Chief Paul Wells.

17 Asst. Chief, I'm sorry about that, sir.

18 ASST. CHIEF PAUL WELLS: Not a problem.

19 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: I will admit, I

20 got Valentine's Day on my mind and my wife and I

21 are on our way to a date which we don't do often,

22 so I'm a little excited.

23 Asst. Chief Paul Wells.

24 ASST. CHIEF PAUL WELLS: Good evening,

25 through the Chief, I'll just defer to Insp.

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1 Jones, the new commanding officer of the Eastern

2 District for his report.

3 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Thank you, sir.

4 INSP. JONES: And I'll be brief with

5 that in mind. I would like to introduce Acting

6 Inspector Lt. Pastella Williams of the 9th

7 Precinct. Acting Inspector Harold Ro h n is

8 absent of the 5th Precinct. Also would like to

9 introduce Lt. ric Tos who is a special

10 projects manager for the Eastern District.

11 We just got there Monday, so we're

12 getting everything together, but I would just

13 like to briefly overview three projects, two of

14 which are grants and one which is initiative

15 modeled after what took place in Northwest

16 District when Acting Commander Vicki Yost was

17 there.

18 The first grant will be "Ceasefire".

19 It's a group violence reduction strategy which

20 focuses on chronic offenders and one of the

21 methods that we have is custom notifications. We

22 get the chronic offenders in, we give three

23 messages.

24 One, the community of outraged at your

25 level of violence. Two, we will help you if you

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1 let us, but we will stop you if you make us.

2 That's "Ceasefire".

3 We also have a Byrne Grant which is

4 called the Detroit Eastern District Initiative

5 Grant. It's in a smaller portion of the Eastern

6 District on the far east side 5-14, and it's a

7 data-driven crime reduction strategy focusing on

8 gun violence with youthful offenders and

9 neighborhood blight.

10 The third initiative is the East

11 English Village Initiative which is basically

12 going to be a burglary/theft oriented initiative.

13 We're going to conduct home visits on the

14 individuals who have a burglary or theft in their

15 criminal history and we're going to work

16 proactively and collaboratively with the

17 community to prevent theft in that area.

18 If it works out well, and we're sure it

19 will, we're going to expand it out to the entire

20 Eastern District.

21 Any questions?

22 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Ma'am, any

23 questions?

24 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No, I don't have

25 any at this time.

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1 COMMISSIONER WHITE: Inspector, you

2 referenced working with gangs in your area to

3 help get them on the right track?

4 INSP. JONES: Not necessarily gangs.

5 Detroit does not have the chronic gang problems

6 like you see on the West Coast, but actually the

7 violence drivers in it, so it could be an

8 individual, group.

9 We basically have loosely affiliated

10 groups who sometimes commit acts of violence on

11 each other and then they work together to commit

12 acts of violence. So with the help of MDOC we're

13 going to use custom notifications to get them in

14 and explain to them that the violence must stop.

15 COMMISSIONER WHITE: What method or

16 methods are you utilizing to work with these

17 particular individuals?

18 INSP. JONES: We have -- there's

19 basically three components to it. It's going to

20 be the law enforcement component, a social

21 services component. They're here going to offer

22 drug rehab, temporary housing, employment

23 training, so on and so forth in that avenue.

24 COMMISSIONER WHITE: And those

25 ancillary services, is that through the

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1 department or is that with the collaboration --

2 INSP. JONES: It's actually funded

3 through the grant $1.55 million.

4 COMMISSIONER WHITE: Thank you, sir.

5 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: I was going to

6 save it for later, sir, but since you brought it

7 up, might as well go a little bit there now.

8 You said Detroit does not have a

9 chronic gang problem like some of the other

10 cities in the city, correct?

11 INSP. JONES: We don't have the gang

12 problems that we would have in a city like LA or

13 some of the West Coast gangs.

14 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Would you say

15 then that we do have a gang problem?

16 INSP. JONES: Sure, we have a gang

17 problem, but most of our violence is centered

18 around narcotics and loosely affiliated groups

19 that come together to commit these acts of

20 violence.

21 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Approximately

22 how many loosely affiliated groups do you think

23 we have in the city?

24 INSP. JONES: We don't have a number on

25 that because, as I said, it is a dynamic process.

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1 These are neighborhood gangs that primarily have

2 a narcotics nexus.

3 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: I'm looking at

4 a list, sir, of at least 100 loosely, as you

5 would say, affiliated groups --

6 INSP. JONES: Yes.

7 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: -- that call

8 themselves gangs.

9 INSP. JONES: Yes.

10 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: And as I look

11 at the list and look at the areas that they -- I

12 guess they would say on the street represent,

13 there's not an area in the city that is not

14 impacted by these loosely affiliated gangs.

15 INSP. JONES: Well, I think there's two

16 avenues to that. We have some gangs, but I think

17 that the data would indicate if we look at our

18 shootings, a lot of them or the majority of them

19 are not gang members that are shooting each

20 other.

21 A lot of them are known neighborhood

22 beefs or insults that escalate into shootings.

23 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Okay, we can

24 deal with that later. As relates to the project

25 on the east side, the one that's set for East

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1 English Village --

2 INSP. JONES: Yes.

3 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: -- what are the

4 boundaries?

5 INSP. JONES: The boundaries -- I don't

6 have my notes with me, but I do believe it's

7 going to be Cadieux, Harper to the north, Mack to

8 the south and I don't -- Outer Drive.

9 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Is there an

10 opportunity after the pilot is done for that to

11 be expanded, do you know right now?

12 INSP. JONES: Absolutely, absolutely.

13 That is actually one of the purposes of it. We

14 want to pilot in that district, get everything

15 coordinated and synchronized and then expand it

16 out to the other neighborhoods.

17 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Okay. Anything

18 else?

19 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: No.


21 INSP. JONES: Appreciate your time.

22 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Asst. Chief, do

23 you have anything else, sir?

24 ASST. CHIEF PAUL WELLS: Nothing

25 further. I know you referenced the letter you

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1 received from the Chief's Office, but in there

2 the one aspect that you didn't mention and the

3 Chief would still like the Board to consider is

4 the promotions to the rank of lieutenant.

5 We promoted our sergeants, but we just

6 haven't promoted the lieutenants yet, so I know

7 the Chief is very interested in having those

8 members promoted.

9 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Sure, and could

10 you relate back to the Chief that on the 24th of

11 January we submitted a request for every one that

12 has received raises in the last six months and

13 those raises were very detailed, they dealt with

14 merit pay increases, they dealt with a whole

15 litany of types of raises that members of the

16 department have received and we really need that

17 information.

18 ASST. CHIEF PAUL WELLS: You said on

19 the 24th?

20 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: We sent that on

21 the 24th of January to the Chief.

22 ASST. CHIEF WELL: We'll get that.

23 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Thank you.

24 Anything else, sir?

25 ASST. CHIEF PAUL WELLS: No, sir.

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1 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Okay, great,

2 thank you. As we move on we have a presentation

3 from Captain Monica Yesh from the Michigan State

4 Police.

5 Ma'am, you can come at this time. Good

6 to see you again.

7 CAPT. YESH: You too, sir, thank you.

8 (APPLAUSE.)

9 CAPT. YESH: Well, thank you for having

10 me, I appreciate that. I appreciate the

11 opportunity to come to Detroit and talk a little

12 bit about Michigan State Police. I first want to

13 thank the Detroit Police Department and all their

14 assistance they give us the other morning when

15 one of our troopers was shot on a traffic stop

16 involving some RA suspects, so I want to thank

17 the Detroit Police Department because they helped

18 us immensely with that.

19 Our trooper was shot in the leg and it

20 broke his leg. However, he was released from the

21 hospital last night and he's going to be okay, so

22 thank you.

23 (APPLAUSE.)

24 CAPT. YESH: The second thing I'd like

25 to make sure that citizens of the city of Detroit

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1 and the Detroit Police Department understand is

2 the Michigan State Police does not want to come

3 into the city of Detroit and take over the

4 Detroit Police Department. What we'd like to do

5 is provide resources to the department while

6 they're shorter on resources than they have been

7 in the past, so that's our main goal and function

8 is to help the Detroit Police Department until

9 they get additional resources.

10 Currently we have approximately 60

11 Michigan State Police personnel working in the

12 city. Some of those are working traffic

13 enforcement on the freeway system. Some of them

14 are assigned to various task force, whether

15 they're federal or state.

16 Some of them are working in what

17 Governor Synder calls his Secure City Partnership

18 and that's an initiative that he enacted last

19 March and that involves the cities of Pontiac,

20 Detroit, Flint and Saginaw, some of the most

21 violent cities in the country based on data.

22 So we're working in Northwest Detroit

23 at this time and we have troopers assigned to

24 that particular area. Their roles and

25 responsibilities in Northwest is directed

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1 patrols. They do not take calls for service from

2 the Detroit Police Department, but they do target

3 areas where violent crime has occurred with using

4 what we call hot spots or data-driven approaches

5 to traffic and safety.

6 What they do is we try to center where

7 some of the most violent crimes are occurring and

8 then we assign our patrol cars to work in those

9 particular areas. They make traffic stops for

10 legitimate reasons. They find out who's driving

11 those cars and our troopers since July -- I just

12 kind of want to tell you a little bit some of the

13 activities that they've conducted since July.

14 This was from July until December of

15 last year. They conducted 2,815 traffic stops.

16 They issued 2,545 verbal warnings and I tell you

17 that for a reason. We're not here to write

18 tickets and generate revenue. What we're here to

19 do is take violent offenders off the street.

20 So if they get stopped for a legitimate

21 traffic reason, they don't have guns, dope, or

22 they're not wanted on felony warrants or so forth

23 they're going to be let go for the evening to

24 continue on.

25 Some of the activity, they've issued

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1 602 hazardous citations which are tickets.

2 They've arrested 248 people for driving on a

3 suspended license. They're also recovered

4 approximately 50 stolen weapons in those cars, 26

5 stolen cars, another 66 firearms seized that

6 weren't reported as stolen.

7 They arrested approximately 16 felons

8 in possession of firearms and numerous drug

9 charges. So just a little bit of activity of

10 what they've been doing in Northwest. What we'd

11 like to do to assist the city as we get

12 additional troopers is assign them to other areas

13 within the city that are looking for additional

14 help, and that's where we work with the Detroit

15 Police Department to find out where those hot

16 spots are and where we could be of the most value

17 to them.

18 I think directed patrols and putting

19 people in areas where the most violent crime

20 occurs is the way to get some of those violent

21 offenders off the street.

22 I guess unless you have any questions

23 for me, that's basically what we can do for the

24 city of Detroit and that we are doing right now.

25 I know Governor Synder has promised to add

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1 additional resources so that we can increase our

2 troopers working in the city.

3 I again stress we don't want to take

4 the jobs away of the Detroit Police Department.

5 They are an excellent professional organization

6 that happened to be a little short on resources

7 right now, so that's what we like to do for the

8 city of Detroit.

9 Just as a personal side note I've lived

10 and worked in the Detroit area for 25 years. I

11 believe in Detroit and I believe in making it a

12 safe place for people to live. We got to get the

13 violent offenders off the street or we'll never

14 build Detroit back.

15 (APPLAUSE.)

16 CAPT. YESH: I say that from my heart

17 because I believe in it from a personal and a

18 professional level. So I'll -- if you have

19 questions I would certainly answer them.


21 Capt. Yesh. Commissioner?

22 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: I have one. Just

23 want to know how many of the 2,800 traffic steps

24 resulted in arrest of violent offenders?

25 CAPT. YESH: Well, I can't give you

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1 that number, but I broke it down. I'd have to

2 add them all up and I didn't take math in

3 college. I'm a Spartan by the way and we had

4 quite a win the other night.

5 I will tell you, the one thing that we

6 wish we could do a little better is the warrants

7 because unfortunately we have a lodging problem

8 in the city of Detroit. You wouldn't want to

9 know this, but I'm going to tell you.

10 There were several thousand warrants we

11 couldn't lodge for because there's simply not

12 enough lodging for the warrants.

13 COMMISSIONER WHITE: First, Captain,

14 let me thank you for your leadership and

15 definitely the service that the men and women of

16 the Michigan State Police Department.

17 CAPT. YESH: Thank you.

18 COMMISSIONER WHITE: These statistics

19 that you referenced, would it be accurate to say

20 that the Detroit numbers are the highest numbers

21 you can represent across the state?

22 CAPT. YESH: I would guess they're kind

23 of right in step with Flint because we have a lot

24 more officers deployed in Flint right now than we

25 do in Detroit based purely on the fact they have

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1 more personnel assigned up there then we do.

2 COMMISSIONER WHITE: And also I think

3 there will be quite a bit of dialogue this

4 evening, particularly as it relates to gang

5 activity.

6 Would you -- is there a specialized

7 unit within Michigan State Police that deals

8 strategically with gang problems across the

9 state?

10 CAPT. YESH: We don't have a Gang Squad

11 or a Gang Unit that specifically deals with

12 gangs.

13 COMMISSIONER WHITE: Okay. From your

14 vantage point would you say there's a gang

15 problem across the state or within the city of

16 Detroit?

17 CAPT. YESH: By definition of a gang

18 probably not like in some of the other violent

19 cities. LA is a strong gang, but they're loose

20 -- I think there are loose individuals who want

21 to represent themselves as gangs, but I don't

22 know as if we can really call them a true gang.

23 I mean, you see seven or eight young

24 men or women together and what they're doing in

25 themselves, does that make them a gang? I don't

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1 think so.

2 COMMISSIONER WHITE: So you would say

3 they're missing an organized crime component that

4 would classify them as a gang?

5 CAPT. YESH: Yeah. I think they're

6 scattered. It's hit or miss, narcotics here,

7 stolen property there, here or whatever. I don't

8 -- for my personal and profession opinion, it's

9 not like the gang activities in some of these

10 other major cities.

11 COMMISSIONER WHITE: Thank you,

12 Captain. Thank you, Chair.


14 Just a few questions, captain. First of all, how

15 early do you think the State would be willing to

16 expand the scope where they are now in Northwest,

17 in the Northwest section of the city?

18 CAPT. YESH: We're getting some more

19 troopers graduating from the school in March. We

20 will increase it by at least six troopers and one

21 sergeant at that point, and then as the weather

22 gets warmer we'll be bringing in temporary

23 troopers from across the state who will be paired

24 with a Detroit trooper to work those

25 neighborhoods.

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1 So within the next month and a half or

2 so you will see an increase.

3 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Okay, great.

4 Reading over some citizen complaints as you know

5 that we do, and certainly there was one complaint

6 in particular that stuck out in my mind and that

7 was of an individual who encountered I believe it

8 was a state trooper with a K-9 unit.

9 And certainly they complained about the

10 interaction that they had with the DPD member and

11 the state police member. Moving forward, is

12 there a way that we can sit down and talk about

13 how we handle complaints that may cross over from

14 DPD and MSP as relates to resolving citizens'

15 concerns?

16 CAPT. YESH: Certainly. I'm open and

17 privy to anything. We do have an Internal

18 Affairs Section that investigates any and all

19 complaints against any of our troopers. That

20 person works out of Lansing. They come out to

21 the individual work sites and they do the

22 investigations.

23 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Because one of

24 the things that I think is very important --

25 certainly we welcome and want the help and we

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1 greatly appreciate the dedication and support of

2 the MSP. You've been great partners down through

3 the years, but at the same time we do also want

4 to make sure that our citizens know that their

5 civil liberties are very important as well and we

6 know that you all know that too.

7 And so if we can sit down and meet and

8 talk about how we can bridge any gaps that might

9 be there, that would be great as well.

10 CAPT. YESH: I would be open to any

11 conversation or dialog you might want to have.

12 We do take citizen complaints very seriously.

13 You have to investigate it no matter what. On

14 whether the person is making it up or not, you

15 don't know unless you do the investigation, so we

16 want to protect the reputation we have, so we do

17 take them serious.


19 Anything else? Ma'am, thank you so very much for

20 coming. We look forward to working with you more

21 in the future.

22 CAPT. YESH: I appreciate you having me

23 in; thank you.

24 (APPLAUSE.)

25 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: At this time we

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1 want to recognize and honor some individuals who

2 have just done some outstanding jobs working for

3 the department, but more importantly first of all

4 here in this community.

5 I'm going to ask if Commissioner

6 Taylor, our Vice-Chairperson, will introduce our

7 honoree for tonight.

8 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Our honoree for

9 tonight is Pastor Alonzo O. Bell.

10 (APPLAUSE.)

11 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: This is a

12 resolution honoring Pastor Alonzo O. Bell.

13 WHEREAS, Pastor Alonzo O. Bell is a

14 dedicated and committed supporter of the City of

15 Detroit's Eastern District Pastor Bell serves as

16 the Senior Pastor of Martin Evans Missionary

17 Baptist Church in Detroit. Pastor Bell is a

18 life-long resident and educator in the City of

19 Detroit, and

20 WHEREAS, Pastor Bell has four children,

21 he has ingrained in this children that by helping

22 your community you are helping yourself. Pastor

23 Bell has lived his life through this mantra, and

24 WHEREAS Pastor Bell graduated from the

25 University of Michigan after graduation he began

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1 his career as the teacher at Ruddman Middle

2 School, he has taught math and science at the

3 Wayne County Juvenile Detention Facility and

4 currently teaches language arts, social studies,

5 math and science at the University Preparatory

6 Academy, and

7 WHEREAS, as a pillar in this community,

8 Pastor Bell found his true passion as he founded

9 "Redeem Detroit". It is a non-profit

10 organization that aims to revitalize

11 neighborhoods in the City of Detroit by curbing

12 unemployment rates, reducing crimes and

13 recidivism and eliminating blight. Pastor Bell's

14 plan focused on the three largest demographic

15 groups, at-risk youth, veterans and ex-cons which

16 has the highest unemployment rate in the City.

17 Pastor Bell has been successful by re-educating

18 and teaching vocational skills such as auto

19 mechanics, carpentry and real world math

20 concepts; and

21 WHEREAS, Pastor Bell is an enthusiastic

22 hard working high energy clergyman with a

23 wonderful passion for serving others.

24 NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the

25 Detroit Board of Police Commissioners speaking on

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1 behalf of the Eastern District and citizens of

2 the City of Detroit acknowledge the dedication

3 servant spirit of Pastor Alonzo O. Bell. His

4 commitment to teaching and preaching has been an

5 inspiration to all who serve this City and its

6 citizens.

7 We thank and congratulate you, Pastor

8 Alonzo O. Bell.

9 (APPLAUSE.)

10 ASST. Chief WELL: Good evening, board.

11 Asst. Chief Wells standing in for the Chief

12 Chester L. Logan. And behalf of the Chief we

13 want to give the Certificate of Recognition to

14 Pastor Bell, a resident of the City of Detroit.

15 Pastor Bell, this is for your

16 involvement to the community and services to the

17 City of Detroit. You, Pastor Bell, demonstrate a

18 spirit and commitment that's worthy of

19 recognition. It's signed by Interim Chief

20 Chester L. Logan, February 14, 2013.

21 Congratulations.

22 PASTOR BELL: Thank you so much.

23 (APPLAUSE.)

24 INSP. JONES: May it please the

25 Honorable Board, Insp. Eric Jones standing in for

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1 the Honorable Detroit City Council.

2 The Spirit of Detroit award is

3 presented herewith as an expression of the

4 gratitude and esteem of the citizens of Detroit

5 to Alonzo O. Bell, Pastor, Martin Evans

6 Missionary Baptist Church in recognition of

7 exceptional achievement and outstanding

8 leadership and dedication to improving the life

9 of the quality of life, by the City Council of

10 Detroit, Michigan.

11 PASTOR BELL: Thank you so much. Thank

12 you very much.

13 (APPLAUSE.)

14 PASTOR BELL: Let us say amen. Let us

15 say amen again. I'm certainly honored and I'm

16 certainly ecstatic to be able to stand before

17 this great Detroit Police Commission.

18 I want to give honor to God, I want to

19 give honor to all of the citizens of Detroit.

20 It's certainly an honor to just stand here and

21 accept this award. I had no idea it would be

22 this momentous and it's very overwhelming and

23 it's also greatly appreciated because sometimes

24 you need something to keep you going and I had a

25 mission and God has put it on me, a mandate to

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1 help the youth, and I was a youth growing up in

2 this city, and even though I had good grades and

3 I did -- I went to college, I did get caught up

4 in some of the culture.

5 And so the blessing that God has given

6 me to graduate and to make it through the hurdles

7 in the city of Detroit I have a mandate to give

8 something back. And so I can never even live my

9 life thinking that I've been blessed by so many

10 other people and then just keep going and not

11 look back.

12 And so I've been teaching, I've started

13 my non-profit organization and I work primarily

14 with returning citizens, at-risk youth and

15 veterans and I believe that to stop some of this

16 crime and to stop some of this violence I believe

17 we give people opportunity, and when there's no

18 hope and no opportunity, that's when the hope is

19 gone and the Bible says love your neighbor as

20 thyself, but when you don't love yourself, how

21 can you love your neighbor.

22 So this being Valentine's Day and

23 knowing that everything about this day is about

24 love, I love my community, I love my people, I

25 love all of God's people and I want nothing but

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1 the best for us.

2 And I'm going to try to hurry this up

3 because I know you got to get to your wife, amen,

4 and but I just want to thank everyone for coming

5 out and supporting me, my church family, my

6 family, my wife, my children.

7 Commander Dolunt for nominating me for

8 this prestigious award and it means a whole lot

9 to me. I walked across the stage and got my

10 degrees and all that stuff, but this really

11 really means a lot to me that I'm able to give

12 back to my community. Amen.

13 (APPLAUSE.)

14 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Again, sir, we

15 thank you again just for your commitment and just

16 know that your labor is never in vain as long as

17 it's done in the Lord, so we thank you again.

18 At this time I'm going to ask as we

19 honor retiring members from the Detroit Police

20 Department, retired Sgt. Jacqueline Jackson,

21 retiring Sgt. Alicia Smith and retired

22 Investigator Sheila Maxwell-Stallings, may I ask

23 if Commissioner White would read just the whereas

24 clause that we may put in our official record,

25 but we will add the entire resolutions to our

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1 permanent archives.

2 COMMISSIONER WHITE: Resolutions

3 honoring Sgt. Jacqueline Jackson.


5 Board of Police Commissioners speaking for the

6 citizens of Detroit and the Detroit Police

7 Department award this resolution in recognition

8 of Sgt. Jacqueline Jackson's 26 years of

9 dedicated and diligent public service, her

10 professionalism, integrity and level of

11 commitment to the City of Detroit and its

12 citizens merit our highest regards and best

13 wishes for continued success.

14 We salute and congratulate you, Sgt.

15 Jacqueline Jackson, signed the Board of Police

16 Commissioners adopted this day -- I'm sorry, not

17 this day, but adopted February 4, 2013.

18 Resolution honoring Sgt. Alicia L.

19 Smith.


21 Board of police Commissioners speaking on behalf

22 of the Detroit Police Department and the citizens

23 of the City of Detroit recognize the lifelong

24 commitment to public safety of Sgt. Alicia L.

25 Smith. Her pride and dedication have been

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1 invaluable assets to the department and merit our

2 highest regard.

3 We thank and congratulate you, Sgt.

4 Alicia L. Smith, signed the Board of Police

5 Commissioners adopted February 4, 2013.

6 Resolution honoring Investigator Sheila

7 Maxwell-Stallings.


9 Detroit Board of Police Commissioners speaking on

10 behalf of the citizens of the City of Detroit and

11 the Detroit Police Department recognize and honor

12 the lifelong commitment of Investigator

13 Maxwell-Stallings. She had devoted her life to

14 public service and safety and has executed the

15 duties of a remarkable police officer.

16 Your extraordinary efforts and selfless

17 giving merit our highest regard. We thank and

18 congratulate you, Investigator Sheila

19 Maxwell-Stallings, signed the Board of Police

20 Commissioners, adopted February 4, 2013.

21 Mr. Chair, I move for adoption of all

22 resolutions.


24 properly moved and supported that we adopt all of

25 the resolutions that have been read into the

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1 record tonight and the whereas clauses and that

2 those resolutions will be a part of our permanent

3 archives.

4 All those in favor?



7 opposed? Motion carries.

8 At this time there are some written

9 directives for the Board that we need to review

10 and lieutenant, how are you doing, sir?

11 LT. BLISS: Commissioners, Assistant

12 Chief, Lt. Mark Bliss, Planning and

13 Accreditation. There are four directives for

14 your review and approval. I'll make this quick.

15 The first one is patrol-related

16 reports, 201.2. We just updated the directive

17 for the patrol to accurately record their

18 activities while they're out there doing police

19 runs and investigating people.

20 The second one, environmental

21 ordinances, 204.8. The original directive was

22 dated in 2003. It was approximately one page and

23 there was just definitions. The second page had

24 about three lines, it says that they're going to

25 complete it. It's completed now. We added the

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1 procedures for environmental ordinances and we

2 also reference the city code in order to cite

3 them.

4 Third is Detroit Police Reserves,

5 302.1. This directive we just wanted to

6 reference at the time the police community

7 services, the new use-of-force policy that was

8 put into place a couple of months prior also for

9 the reserves and then the procedure for the

10 retirement of a reserve both for their 25 years

11 or less than that and how to actually get that

12 retirement.

13 And finally 302.3, licenses and

14 permits. This directive was badly outdated. We

15 had to actually redo the entire directive.

16 There's a lot of departments that no longer exist

17 and the procedures also had to be updated. It

18 took us approximately a year to get this done, so

19 it's now updated based on all our current

20 research.

21 The directives are available for the

22 public to read. We have a couple of copies in

23 the front. They've also been posted on the City

24 websites and also posted at each district for

25 review.

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1 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Any questions

2 for Lt. Bliss? We will review these. In 30 days

3 I believe we will take them up again.

4 LT. BLISS: Thank you, sir.


6 There is no old business before the Board at this

7 particular time. I want to announce that our

8 next meeting will he held on Thursday, February

9 21, 2013, 3 o'clock PM at police headquarters,

10 1300 Beaubien, Room 328-A.

11 At this time the agenda calls for oral

12 communication. We want to hear from you, the

13 citizens of the city and we want to give you an

14 opportunity to come and just talk to and discuss

15 with us tonight whatever is on your mind.

16 I am going to ask if we can do this in

17 somewhat of a little bit more organized fashion.

18 If you have questions or comments regarding the

19 restructuring, we want to hear those first.

20 We'll hear everyone, but we want to hear those

21 first so we can get as many of those in as

22 possible and we're going to ask that you please,

23 ma'am, please, sir, abide by our two-minute time

24 limit.

25 Our timekeeper, Mr. Robert Brown is

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1 here and we ask that when he lets you know that

2 those two minutes have expired that you please

3 end your comments at that time. If you have

4 additional comments, certainly you can write us

5 and we read everything that comes to our office

6 and that's addressed to us.

7 And please we ask that you address your

8 comments to the Chair and we will direct your

9 comments to the appropriate sources.

10 At this time you may come to either mic

11 on your left or on your right here and you may

12 come, and again we want to talk about the

13 restructuring and the reorganization of the

14 department first, very specifically as relates to

15 Gang Squad or anything else in that particular

16 reorganization.

17 And we ask that as you come please give

18 us your name for the record. We would like to

19 have your first name and your last name and could

20 you spell it for our recorders, please. Sir?

21 SGT. COLE: No problem. My name is

22 Sgt. Brandon Cole. I work over in Northeastern

23 District. I'm actually a former member of the

24 Tactical Mobile Unit. I'm one of the defunct

25 historians for the department and I was asked by

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1 the unit to come talk today about the purpose of

2 Tactical Mobile and the fact of disbanding it,

3 and my beliefs of being a district supervisor how

4 it's a detriment to my units at Northeastern

5 District.

6 The unit was created in 1965 to be a

7 highly skilled uniform officer division equipped

8 and trained to handle temporary assignments in

9 high crime areas or areas where an emergency may

10 develop or exist. They got their baptism by fire

11 in 1967. I really don't have time to get into

12 it, but several other incidents along the way I

13 can go through.

14 1975 there was the Livernois

15 disturbance both in bar incident that lasted for

16 three days that Tactical Mobile went to.

17 In 1980 in Cadillac Square the Ku Klux

18 Klan and the Nazi Party decided to have a rally

19 and then attack counter-protestors. Tactical

20 Mobile showed up to that too.

21 In '99 I joined the unit and I showed

22 up to over 50 barricaded gunmen that I can count

23 and showed up to every special event that was

24 there from Super Bowl to World Series, every

25 executive protection event.

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1 Tac Mobile proved its worth this

2 weekend on Saturday when the ruckus with the

3 juveniles downtown was a prime example of their

4 purpose, and then the State of the City Address,

5 they handled a barricaded gunman at the same

6 time.

7 I'm a supervisor at the Northeastern

8 District. I said that before and I said that

9 previously and I have called several times on

10 several occasions as backup, and it's as simple

11 as this. When I got there in '99 we were

12 ingrained with the saying, "When the citizens

13 need help, the call the police. When the police

14 need help, they call Tac Mobile."

15 If you disband this unit, I have no

16 help.


18 thank you, sir. We certainly appreciate that.

19 Let me say this too. If I'm not

20 mistaken, it was Tac Mobile that was there Monday

21 to help secure the neighborhood when the MSP

22 officer was shot and they needed to shut down

23 that neighborhood --

24 SGT. COLE: Correct.

25 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: -- to look to

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1 those subjects, am I right?

2 SGT. COLE: Correct.

3 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Great. Thank

4 you, sir. Yes, sir.

5 MR. JOHNSON: How you doing? Thank

6 you, Honorable Board. My name is Don Johnson.

7 I'm president of the 12th Precinct Community

8 Relations and I've been a little convalescing

9 because I had a knee replacement.

10 But I'm really confused because I was

11 sitting here listening to the conversations by

12 Assistant Chief and a few others, and you were

13 talking about promotions.

14 How do you promote when you're taking

15 away money from our officers and their healthcare

16 and you're promoting people? Now, maybe I'm not

17 reading the same thing you're reading, because

18 when Ford's was in that same type of dilemma in

19 1979 we froze promotions, hiring unless it was

20 absolutely necessary.

21 But I didn't hear one police officer

22 get promoted. How do we promote and we don't

23 have no money? I don't understand it.

24 (APPLAUSE.)

25 MR. JOHNSON: Now, I said this many

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1 times, but I'm going to say it again. With all

2 these people we have brought back from retirement

3 to get two paychecks, we could take that money to

4 bring two or three officers back. We need police

5 officers.

6 (APPLAUSE.)

7 MR. JOHNSON: And I was listening about

8 a week ago or two weeks ago, and if I'm wrong,

9 please correct me, when -- boy, that's a fast

10 minute -- I was remembering when it was the Chief

11 or someone said -- because I got many calls at

12 home that night -- that even if we had a thousand

13 officers it wouldn't do any good, crime wouldn't

14 be any better.

15 Now, folks -- and maybe it's me. I'm

16 not that smart, I only have a master's degree

17 from Wayne State University. My degree is in

18 business and finance. I thought we were all in

19 this together.

20 How do you promote and spread money

21 that you do not have, and I know we got a pot of

22 money for everything, when we need police

23 officers so bad in this city. I'm upset about

24 Trayvon Martin, but I got people dying one, two,

25 three a day here in the city of Detroit and ain't

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1 nobody mad and upset.

2 (APPLAUSE.)

3 MR. JOHNSON: So, Assistant Chief, no

4 reflection on you. I'm not taking this out on

5 nobody, but somebody Board who's the oversight

6 committee -- I know, 10 seconds -- somebody need

7 to stand up and say we're not promoting, we're

8 bringing them officers back that we laid off.


10 we certainly appreciate your comments.

11 (APPLAUSE.)

12 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: I do want to

13 say this, Mr. Johnson. I don't think you are

14 crazy.

15 MR. JOHNSON: Oh, thank you very much.

16 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: I think your

17 comments are point on. I do want to say this

18 though as relates to those promotions from a

19 budgetary standpoint. The budget has supported

20 those promotions because the dollars were there.

21 However, my personal opinion, not my

22 colleagues' possibly, but my personal opinion is

23 just because the dollars are there does not

24 necessary mean --

25 MR. JOHNSON: Amen.

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1 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: -- you have to

2 promote. You can -- I mean, there's ways -- and

3 I'm with you that I believe we need to look at

4 how do we hire more officers in order to answer

5 the calls that are coming in from our citizens.

6 I think if you polled the citizens of

7 the city of Detroit their Number 1 concern is

8 when I call, no one shows up.

9 MR. JOHNSON: Amen.

10 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Or when they do

11 show up, it's hours if not days later.

12 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, sir.

13 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: And that is --

14 that is -- that is something within this reorg

15 plan that we believe we have to address and we

16 believe that it has to be very clear to our

17 citizens that through a reorg that we are

18 increasing the amount of presence in the

19 neighborhoods so that when citizens call, they

20 get an appropriate and timely response.

21 MR. JOHNSON: All right.


23 Yes, sir.

24 MR. HUI: Good evening, Commissioners,

25 Assistant Chief. I'm Jonathan Hui, H-u-i, the

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1 coordinator of the law program at Denby High

2 School and I'm here with --

3 MS. EVERETT: Megan Everett,

4 E-v-e-r-e-t-t, Denby High School, student

5 government.

6 MR. HUI: We're here with some of our

7 students. We were here two weeks ago. We just

8 wanted to express, you know, as members, as

9 teachers, students and members of our community

10 the impact of eliminating the Gang Squad, the

11 impact that's going to have on our most treasured

12 asset which is our students and our youth.

13 And so some of our students are here to

14 speak just about their experiences and how

15 eliminating the Gang Squad is going to impact

16 their walk to school, their experience in school

17 and their time out of school, and just their

18 daily lives and how this is going to be a

19 tremendous impact on them.

20 MS. EVERETT: I was just a little

21 perturbed as well about the definition of gang

22 that we're using. Defining our gangs just based

23 on the West Coast gangs seems not right when I

24 looked up gang in the sentencing based upon what

25 we use in the Michigan State Legislature.

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1 It defines exactly what I see every day

2 with the HYB and the Headbangers and the East

3 Warren Crew and all these kids that are coming

4 from them each day. It's defined by a group of

5 five or more people in an ongoing organization or

6 association with a marked manner, protocol or

7 method. I can even show you some of the signs

8 that I see each day. An established leader or

9 command structure. Absolutely I see this in our

10 gangs. A defined membership criteria and just --

11 I just feel that by defining -- or using that

12 definition of the West Coast stuff, we're kind of

13 stooping ourselves lower than what we should be.

14 We need to lift ourselves up. We're

15 Detroit, we rise from the ashes. We do not say

16 well, we're not like them so we're okay right

17 now.

18 So our kids will talk further and you

19 guys have seen the results of the student-led

20 survey that we conducted, but I really challenge

21 you to think long and hard when you define gang

22 and think about do we really have a gang problem,

23 because 80 percent of our kids say yes, we do.

24 And the kids are our future and they're

25 the people that are going to be replacing these

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1 policemen and the people who are going to build

2 Detroit, so we need to think about that.

3 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: And I think,

4 Ms. Everett, before you leave, if you can just

5 recant for us, I think there were 250 individuals

6 that took place in that survey.

7 MS. EVERETT: Yep, 250 students

8 surveyed. We also have a petition of over 200

9 students that have signed. It was finals week,

10 but they're going to take it out to the community

11 as well next week, so --

12 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: And 80 percent

13 of those 250 that were surveyed said that they

14 even -- they know someone who's in a gang?

15 MS. EVERETT: Yes. It's not themselves

16 and 65 percent agreed with the statement we need

17 to keep Gang Squad.

18 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Okay, thank

19 you.

20 MR. HUI: Our students are the ones

21 that have had firsthand experience. They're the

22 ones that feel the brunt of this. They're the

23 ones that, you know, are -- have to face this on

24 the streets and so they're going to share their

25 experiences, but -- and Commissioners, our

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1 students really are the ones that deal with this

2 on a day-to-day basis, so I'm going to let them

3 speak more, but thank you again for your time.

4 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Okay. I'm

5 going to bounce over here, then I'm going to come

6 right back, okay? Yes, sir.

7 MR. STOKES: Good evening to

8 Commissioners, AC. My name is Alvin Stokes. I'm

9 the chairman of the 10th Precinct Citizens

10 Community Relations. I stand here on behalf of

11 both the 10th and 12th to talk about our

12 commanders and our command force.

13 There's no communication as far as

14 coming down from the DPD to the citizens. We

15 went from a commander that we never saw in two

16 years to a commander that called me his first day

17 on the job that we got together and we started to

18 work hand in hand.

19 We started organizing the ministers of

20 the 10th Precinct and the 12th. I mean,

21 Commander Love was hands on. Then all of a

22 sudden, three months later you move him. So now

23 we got to start all over again with a new

24 commander. You also moved our inspector.

25 Now, I'm not sure why, but the thing is

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1 is when you got something that's working for the

2 community, why mess with it? You've got a

3 commander and an inspector, the police officers,

4 the morale was up. The community was working

5 hand in hand with DPD. Then all of a sudden we

6 change.

7 We've been playing musical chairs with

8 our commanders for a while now, for quite a

9 while, and I believe it's time to stop. We would

10 like Commander Love back.

11 (APPLAUSE.)

12 MR. STOKES: The reason why we would

13 like him back is because he's community oriented.

14 We know what he's about. He came to us. We

15 didn't call him on his first day. Nothing

16 against the one you sent over there, but

17 Commander Love on his first day called both Don

18 Johnson and I and we met. He wanted to know what

19 was it -- what is it that he can do for us to

20 make our job a little bit better.

21 Now, if we can communicate with DPD,

22 how come y'all can't communicate with us. I

23 think it's a slap in the face to us as community

24 leaders when we keep playing musical chairs with

25 our command force.

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2 Mr. Stokes. Don't go anywhere. I think the

3 Assistant Chief might want to address that.

4 Assistant Chief.

5 ASST. CHIEF WELLS: I'll just say this.

6 I too have the utmost respect for Commander Love.

7 We worked together at Northwest District. Yes,

8 you're right, he has been transferred. I also

9 have the utmost respect for Commander James

10 Suchoski who has taken over the Western District.

11 Commander Suchoski is another proven

12 community person, worked well in the Southwestern

13 District, and is going to work well in the

14 Western District.

15 As Insp. Jones mentioned earlier, he's

16 new to it this week. Maybe he didn't call you,

17 Mr. Stokes, on the first day, but I'm sure that

18 as soon as Commander Suchoski gets his feet under

19 him, he will work with you. We've also put a new

20 inspector -- an acting inspector in the 12th

21 Precinct, Lt. Nick Giaquinto.

22 MR. STOKES: We're at Number 10, sir.

23 ASST. C WELLS: I'm sorry, you're

24 at Number 10? Well, now Charles Mahone, Insp.

25 Charles -- or Lt. Charles Mahone is working at

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1 Number 10. Lt. Mahone has been in there for

2 quite a while now. He's a known commodity to the

3 10th Precinct as well. I think he'll do well.

4 And I go back to the 12th Precinct, and

5 Mr. Johnson moved on -- but Nick has a long

6 history of policing in the 12th Precinct. Not

7 only did he police there as a young officer on

8 the boosters and patrol, he has family in the

9 12th Precinct and furthermore, he's a guy that's

10 -- he has a real different skill set.

11 He's a tech guy. He's one of our

12 premier tech guys and on top of that he was a

13 detective at the Homicide Section, worked Violent

14 Crime Task Force. He's a real proven guy. He's

15 going to do a great job for you, Mr. Johnson and

16 the rest of your group.

17 But right now I think we have a real

18 good command team in place at the Western

19 District.

20 MR. STOKES: But for how long? And,

21 you know, nothing --

22 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Mr. Stokes, I'm

23 sorry, you had your two minutes, I'm sorry, sir.

24 We can talk afterwards. You can talk afterwards.

25 Yes, ma'am.

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1 MS. PROETZ: Good evening,

2 Commissioners. My name is Kera Proetz and I'm a

3 junior at Denby High School. I would first like

4 to thank you, Commissioner Warfield, for coming

5 to our school and listening to our voices. It

6 really meant a lot to us.

7 When I first moved here my 9th grade

8 year -- I'm from Bellaire, Texas -- when I first

9 moved here I was really nervous about living in

10 this area because I did hear a lot about -- a lot

11 about Denby.

12 But when I first got here, the first

13 day my principal, she's really small, but she

14 ensured us that we wouldn't experience like gang

15 violence or anything like that because of the

16 heavy presence of Gang Squad in our school.

17 And I'm a junior now, and I can

18 honestly say that our school is so much safer

19 with Gang Squad being there and assisting and

20 catching things before they escalate like they

21 did at Pershing the other day. And I can

22 honestly say that I've had more opportunities

23 here at Denby in Detroit than I had in Texas and

24 I think that's strongly because we don't -- we

25 aren't distracted by the issues that comes with

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1 gangs because we have Gang Squad in our school.

2 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Thank you, we

3 appreciate your comments.

4 (APPLAUSE.)

5 MR. WILSON: Hello, Commissioner

6 Warfield. My name is Markel Wilson from Denby

7 High School. I would like to thank you for

8 coming to Denby High School, but I think the

9 reason we should keep Gang Squad in the

10 neighborhoods is because if they leave the

11 neighborhood I feel the neighborhoods wouldn't be

12 as safe as they are right now. And I feel that

13 if the presence of the Gang Squad is gone, then

14 people would try taking advantage of that. And

15 we need the little safety and security that we

16 have left in Detroit. That's my point.


18 Appreciate your comments. Thank you.

19 (APPLAUSE.)

20 MR. GREER: How everybody doing today?

21 Well, my name is Randy Greer and I'm a senior at

22 Denby High School, and I'm basically just here to

23 tell y'all why I disagree with getting rid of

24 Gang Squad. You know, me personally, I have been

25 living in Detroit my whole life, so I was here

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1 when I was younger around like four or five and I

2 could go out in the neighborhood and actually

3 play, you know, and feel safe without being

4 threatened by somebody entering my neighborhood

5 that I didn't know.

6 So I just wanted to say that this

7 issue, like it really affects me because like

8 over my school year I have really lost friends to

9 gang violence. Like they're either gone or in

10 jail and I never see them again. And it's really

11 not just my friends, it's like my family too.

12 You know, like really having somebody dedicated

13 to just gang violence like period, it really

14 gives me like hope that he could just save not

15 like everybody because I'm going to be realistic,

16 but if I could just -- if they could save like a

17 couple, you know, that would just make a real big

18 difference in Detroit.

19 And we're never going to get back to

20 how it was back then if we don't -- if we take

21 away things like this now. And, you know -- oh,

22 and in my neighborhood I got to walk home from

23 practice late at night and I know the police,

24 they are around, but like they do not like

25 involved in neighborhoods like the Gang Squad is.

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1 Like I really feel safe like walking

2 home from practice or after school because I've

3 been robbed many a times. And, you know, they

4 are always there to help but one time I got

5 robbed and they were there to help me, so --

6 And I would just like to say I really

7 don't want to be involved in like one of those

8 incidents like at Pershing or King. You know, I

9 got a bright future ahead of me. I'm going to

10 Michigan State in September.

11 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Good for you.

12 (APPLAUSE.)

13 MR. GREER: But going to Michigan State

14 and I really got a bright future ahead of me and

15 I don't want it to be taken away by somebody

16 trying to prove their prominence in my

17 neighborhood because I been here my whole life

18 and, you know, I'm coming back to give back to

19 the community and I don't want that to be taken

20 away from me. So --

21 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: That's what

22 Spartans do.

23 MR. GREER: Thank you, sir.

24 (APPLAUSE.)

25 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Yes, ma'am.

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1 MS. TILBOR: Hi. My name is Angela

2 Tilbor and I also want to thank you, Commissioner

3 Warfield, for coming to our school and listening

4 to us on our views here. I think that's very

5 important and something a lot of people don't do.

6 And I just think the Gang Squad is very

7 important to have because like we were robbed of

8 the glory days that were Detroit due to a lot of

9 politics and outclassed actors and everything.

10 And I think it just would be really selfish to

11 take away Gang Squad because of budgets because

12 our safety should not have a cost put on it.

13 And I think that since Ms. Wellborn,

14 our current principal at Denby High School, has

15 come there with the help of Gang Squad they have

16 cleared out a lot of gangs and they made Denby a

17 lot safer, and not only Denby the school, but the

18 neighborhoods as well.

19 And so if you guys were to get rid of

20 the Gang Squad you will be getting rid of all of

21 the progress that has been made and you guys will

22 be just taking us like three steps backwards

23 where you guys are typically taking forward.

24 And it's just like it will be really

25 unfair for like us, for the youth not to have

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1 safety. Because that's something you guys all

2 had when you guys were growing up in Detroit or

3 like wherever you guys grew up, I don't know

4 where you guys grew up, but like it was something

5 you guys had because it wasn't as bad. It wasn't

6 gangs were such a prominent thing.

7 And so I don't think you guys should

8 take away Gang Squad because if you do you'll

9 make it even more prominent than it already is.

10 Thank you.

11 (APPLAUSE.)


13 Angela. Wait a minute. Before you leave the

14 mic, Angela. When we met at your school last

15 week you said -- you introduced yourself to me as

16 the class was over, as what?

17 MS. TILBOR: I'm the future mayor of

18 the city of Detroit.

19 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: There you go.

20 (APPLAUSE.)


22 thank you for your comments. Yes, sir.

23 MR. MORRIS: My name is Robert Morris

24 and I am a retired police sergeant. I came along

25 with the old school with the former lieutenant

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1 George Anthony up there. That's why both our

2 hairs are gray.

3 But I want to speak from a point of

4 experience which follows up on what these kids

5 are talking about. I've worked Narcotics, I've

6 worked Homicide, the special squads in Homicide.

7 I've worked detectives. And as far as -- and I

8 understand things have changed.

9 These officers are strung out. This 12

10 hours a day is creating nothing but fatigue and

11 hostility because of what they're doing. So with

12 their fatigue they miss things, they're doing a

13 lot of things that anybody who's run down can do.

14 However, they also -- and we all know

15 that this city every day is backed up hundreds,

16 maybe thousands of runs that can't get answered.

17 You can't do what you can't do, and I understand

18 that, but here's the logic in what my logic in

19 what these kids are saying.

20 Back in the day it was a Gang Squad who

21 had the time to investigate the repeat shooters,

22 the repeat killers. When these officers are on

23 the street, they've got minutes to get in there,

24 take a report and they've got to be back out

25 there. They can't follow up, they can't develop

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1 what we call the snitches or the confidential

2 informants. They can't do investigative work.

3 And these gangs -- these young kids

4 right now, they're willing to talk with the least

5 amount of pressure. If you have nobody to follow

6 up and to get information about where the guns

7 are going or where they're buried, who put them

8 in the alley, who's next on the list, you can

9 work these officers to death 12 hours a day.

10 They don't have time to develop that.

11 Until you can get the investigative

12 part, which is your Gang Squad that you guys are

13 eliminating, because I know you need more people

14 on the street, but you got people who are just in

15 and out and you've got the people who are going

16 to be repeat killers because you cannot develop

17 the relationship within the community to follow

18 up.


20 Mr. Morris. We appreciate those comments,

21 certainly appreciate, thank you, sir.

22 (APPLAUSE.)


24 MS. McCLELLAN: Cicely McClellan,

25 precinct delegate, Precinct 53. My comment is

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1 really about an issue at City Council, but I must

2 comment about the Detroit Police Department, and

3 my concern that they're not seeking the revenue

4 that is available in terms of grants that could

5 probably alleviate some of the stress that's on

6 our department.

7 Additionally, also the utility tax, so

8 maybe this Commission needs to consider going

9 after those funds, federally and also utility

10 taxes so we have enough resources.

11 But the primary reason I came today is

12 because in attending City Council this past

13 Tuesday I was very much disturbed about the

14 manner in which the officers there were required

15 by City Council to remove citizens out of the

16 council chambers. One person was literally

17 dragged out of council's chamber, and pretty much

18 because they made a comment about how much time

19 an individual that was positive about an issue

20 versus another individual -- I mean, the time

21 that's given persons that go there on a regular

22 basis.

23 I mean, it was very much disturbing me

24 to see this and when I walked out because I was

25 summoned out, I was refused entry back into the

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1 City Council's chambers. I was involved in

2 nothing, I said nothing. I think it was a

3 violation of the Open Meetings Act. I'm just

4 really concerned whether these officers are

5 acting off of some instructions of maybe a very

6 hostile or -- I cannot say unprofessional council

7 member more so than, you know, really just trying

8 to do their job.

9 But it was very much disturbing. His

10 name was Kenneth Heinz. The officers involved

11 were Sgt. Robert Mitchell, Officer Derek Watkins

12 and Office Peggy Convert, and I was told by

13 Officer Peggy Convert that I could not come back

14 into the chambers for no apparent reason. And I

15 don't think that's the appropriate manner to

16 treat the citizens.

17 Thank you.


19 Ms. McClellan. Thank you, ma'am.

20 MS. COOK-SCOTT: Thank you, Cecile. I

21 don't have to speak for her. First of all, I'd

22 like to welcome you to East English Village, my

23 home, but also I'd like to welcome the new

24 commander to Cornerstone. Would you stand up?

25 East English Village is really in Cornerstone

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1 District. It has our name, but you're really in

2 Cornerstone District.

3 Also I'd like to introduce you all to

4 --

5 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: I'm sorry, I'm

6 sorry. For the record, could you identify

7 yourself?

8 MS. COOK-SCOTT: Oh, I'm sorry. I am

9 your favorite former state representative Betty

10 Cook-Scott, your former Sgt. Betty Cook-Scott,

11 your former teacher in Detroit Public Schools

12 system, so I wear many hats, and I look good for

13 a girl almost 60.

14 Okay, but thank you. I want to

15 introduce you all to Mr. Ernest Wilson. He is

16 the new president of Yorkshire which is a little

17 bit north of this area, so you have Cornerstone,

18 East English Village and Yorkshire and we are

19 proud to be eastsiders and we will help the new

20 commander as much as possible.

21 It's hard to come after Dolunt, it's

22 very hard, because he knocks on doors, he was up

23 front and personal with most of the block club

24 chiefs and the community organizations.

25 Now, for myself, the towing companies,

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1 I want to know what has been the progress on the

2 towing companies and their contracts, whether

3 there's outsourcing or not. And secondarily I'd

4 like to know what are the steps to this day which

5 is February 14, 2013, to your preparation for

6 getting us a new Police Chief.

7 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Ms. Scott,

8 thank you again for coming to the meeting. We

9 certainly appreciate you and your comments.

10 As relates to the towing situation, we

11 are right now with the police authorized towers

12 -- and I want to say this for the record -- that

13 the story that appeared on, I believe it was one

14 of local networks, regarding a towing company

15 that was towing cars out of the city, that was

16 not one of Detroit's police authorized towers.

17 MS. COOK-SCOTT: Okay.

18 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: I think the

19 public needs to know that for the record. Our

20 towers do follow the rules and the procedures

21 that they sign up that comes with their permit.

22 We are still in the process of straightening out

23 that situation, had talks with the Mayor Monday,

24 had talks with the City Council I believe it was

25 Tuesday or Wednesday of this week, and we'll talk

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1 some more, but we're in the process of trying to

2 straighten that situation out.

3 As related to your second question, the

4 search for a Chief of Police, the contracts are

5 currently being vetted through the Law Department

6 and the Purchasing Department, so after that

7 process is over the City Council will either

8 approve or disapprove the contracts and the

9 search for a new Police Chief will be -- will go

10 underway at that particular time.

11 We're just waiting for the city process

12 to be over, and again, that's the Legal and the

13 Purchasing Department, but we do know that

14 significant progress is being made with those

15 departments right now.

16 MS. COOK-SCOTT: And the new Chief,

17 Interim Chief, Chester Logan, he's a very

18 excellent community policing crime prevention

19 protege. He was at the 7th Precinct and when he

20 was our commander at the 7th Precinct we had

21 excellent community participation, so I'm quite

22 sure many of the people have told you that they

23 appreciate him --

24 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Absolutely.

25 MS. COOK-SCOTT: -- from a community

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1 policing perspective. The broken windows --


3 ma'am, certainly appreciate your comments. Thank

4 you so very much for coming. Yes, sir.

5 (APPLAUSE.)

6 OFFICER DIXON: Good evening,

7 Commissioners. My name is Maurice Dixon and I'm

8 currently a Detroit police officer. I've been a

9 police officer, what, 16, 17 years now. I'm

10 assigned to the 4th Precinct. Hello Commander,

11 my new boss.

12 I'm also a positive behavior

13 reinforcement coordinator over at Pershing High

14 School. I'm on staff at Pershing High School, so

15 that incident yesterday, I had to deal with it.

16 Fortunately I used to work Gang Squad

17 and I called a couple of my old comrades and they

18 got to the school quickly, very quickly, and they

19 handled their business very professionally.

20 I'd also like to thank Lt. Baron for

21 sending the bus over to Pershing High School. We

22 had to take out 20, 22 gang members inside our

23 school.

24 When you guys said we don't have a gang

25 problem, I disagree with you. I'm sorry, bosses,

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1 but we have a gang problem on the east side of

2 Detroit. Our students -- I just left school and

3 I had a couple of my students come up to me,

4 they're afraid. You guys, you have to come and

5 look at these little kids, look them in the eye

6 and tell them that we don't have a gang problem

7 and you're lying to them.

8 I have to look at these kids every

9 single day, "Mr. Dixon, I'm afraid, I'm afraid,

10 I'm afraid" and I have to assure them every

11 single day that everything is going to be okay,

12 I'm going to handle it for them.

13 Please, please, you guys make the

14 decision. I work for you guys. I work for you

15 guys and I also work for the school system. We

16 need our Gang Squad. We need our Gang Squad

17 because if you get rid of them all hell is going

18 to break loose come summertime. You know that, I

19 know that, and that's all I have to say.

20 Thank you, thank you very much.


22 sergeant.

23 MR. WILSON: Good evening. My name is

24 Ernest Wilson for the record, president of

25 Yorkshire Woods.

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1 My question is we have a lot of issues

2 going on in our community and the issues are

3 people walking up and down the street, they are

4 robbing people. We got people dropping trash in

5 front of different vacant houses and, you know, I

6 just wonder what are we going to do about that.

7 And also the second question is, I

8 would like to meet the commander that's over our

9 district and whatever we can do, we can work

10 together to get this done. Thank you.


12 Don't go anywhere. Assistant Chief, could we get

13 him some help?

14 ASST. CHIEF WELLS: Thanks for your

15 question. Obviously it's key to sit down and

16 meet with your commander and describe those

17 problems you're having. You had two different

18 incidents, you mentioned robberies and you

19 mentioned illegal dumping.

20 Robberies, with our reorganization we

21 have a plan to take care of the robberies in the

22 city of Detroit, a specialized unit that handles

23 robberies now, but also handles several other

24 things will take over the robbery

25 responsibilities, so once we get that streamlined

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1 we get enough detectives to handle those issues

2 we're going to be much better.

3 The trash, the illegal dumping, it's a

4 continuous complaint in the city. Citizens are

5 continuously calling. The best way to do that is

6 to talk to our commander to see if we can get

7 some community relations people to work with you

8 to try to get some blight enforcement, because

9 unfortunately we find out that, what, it's our

10 neighbors around the block that decide to, as

11 opposed to disposing of the trash themselves,

12 they dump it on a vacant property near me or dump

13 it in front of my house while I'm asleep which is

14 totally ridiculous.

15 And if we can get our blight

16 enforcement officers involved in that process, a

17 lot of times some of these illegal dumpers will

18 leave us enough evidence at the scene so that we

19 can track back and find out exactly who's

20 creating the issue. But I encourage you to sit

21 down and meet with your new commander, your new

22 inspector, and introduce yourself and we're going

23 to work together with you.

24 MR. WILSON: Okay, thank you.


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1 OFFICER PA R: Officer George Pa r,

2 police officer, Detroit Police Department Gang

3 Squad currently working as the intelligence

4 officer.

5 One thing I wanted to clear up is that

6 gangs in the city have changed. They're no

7 longer your loud boisterous gangs that would

8 flash signs, wear different colors. Now they'll

9 wear things that you wouldn't notice on a normal

10 day, whether it be Michigan, Michigan State gear

11 or whatever.

12 But they are as prominent as they were

13 before, they just communicate in different ways

14 now. They'll use social media, they will use

15 their cell phones, they'll use their text

16 messaging. We have an epidemic in our schools

17 with gangs.

18 At the beginning of the year I sent out

19 an e-mail to every principal asking what problems

20 they have and I hear from just about every

21 principal back saying that they have problems

22 with gangs, and if they don't have gangs in their

23 school, then their students are affected either

24 on their way home or to school.

25 I took over as the intelligence officer

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1 last year. Since then, we've identified close to

2 300 gang members. I would say probably 80 to 90

3 percent of those are juveniles and they're

4 currently in school. Of those juveniles I would

5 say probably 70 to 80 percent of those have been

6 arrested for a violent crime or a felony.

7 One thing that I did notice too is that

8 these kids, they don't stop being in gangs. One

9 of three things happens to them; they move, they

10 die or they go to jail and I've noticed that

11 trend just in the last year.

12 We're currently overwhelmed. In the

13 last year just those 300 members I've identified

14 is just on the west side. I haven't even been

15 able to touch the east side. I have a list of

16 gangs, but as far as the gang members, I'm still

17 working on that.


19 Your time is up, but certainly we want to talk

20 more about this in the future and I've also

21 received information that some gang members may

22 even have conference call numbers --

23 OFFICER PA R: Yes.

24 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: -- where they

25 get together?

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1 OFFICER PA R: One of the things we do

2 is we will monitor social media and they actually

3 have -- there's websites where you can get a

4 conference call. You'll dial a 1-800 number and

5 you'll enter a PIN number and you get into that

6 conference room.

7 One of the things that I do is when I

8 see something coming through social media that

9 something's coming up, I know to go into that

10 conference room and listen in. That's one of the

11 ways that we work to head off problems before

12 they come.


14 We'll certainly be talking in the future. Yes,

15 ma'am.

16 MS. SHELTON: Good evening. My name is

17 Brenda Shelton and I don't know whether this is

18 the right forum or not, but I'm just very, very,

19 very, very frustrated. My house was -- my

20 apartment was broken into on the 14th of December

21 and my son's Christmas was stolen from me.

22 I have -- our building has videotape of

23 the person doing this. It took two days for me

24 to even see a police officer, okay. After seeing

25 him and talking to him and him telling me, "Well,

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1 it's probably somebody that your son knows" I

2 don't know who it is because I wasn't there.

3 They sent a technician -- and I'm going

4 to need more than two minutes -- they sent a

5 technician to my home and he did get the

6 videotape and my case was assigned to a sergeant

7 at the Eastern District.

8 Okay, they gave me a phone number. The

9 phone number didn't work. Okay, so I went to the

10 Eastern District. When I got to the Eastern

11 District they told me that he was no longer at

12 the Eastern District, he was at the Central

13 District.

14 Okay, well, can you give me a phone

15 number? They gave me a phone number and the

16 phone number didn't work. I had to get in my car

17 and go there. Since then these young men have

18 used the social media to wear everything that

19 they stole from my house and put it in my son's

20 face which is 23 years old, a college student,

21 never been in any trouble. You understand me?

22 Now, they're sending him guns --

23 pictures of guns on the social media. I'm

24 calling these sergeants every day and nobody is

25 calling me back. What am I supposed to do to

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1 keep my son from becoming a victim of being on a

2 T-shirt.


4 MS. SHELTON: Saying "Rest in Peace".


6 (APPLAUSE.)

7 MS. SHELTON: I just want somebody to

8 tell me what is it that I need to do because I'm

9 very very frustrated. Yeah, it's Valentine's Day

10 and I just got engaged, but I'm here because I

11 don't want to be in a funeral procession with my

12 son and I don't want my son to get in trouble

13 because somebody else decides to take what wasn't

14 theirs. They kicked in the door, they took it,

15 they got videotape of it. Why these officers

16 won't call me back? Why won't you go get this

17 boy?

18 I done gave you all the information you

19 need, the website, everything. Why won't anybody

20 help me?

21 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Ms. Shelton, a

22 couple of things. First of all, we want to thank

23 you for coming tonight. We do know that you've

24 talked to Mr. George Anthony and certainly we're

25 going to follow up with you. Mr. Anthony spoke

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1 with you he said earlier today and the Chief --

2 MS. SHELTON: Who is Mr. Anthony?

3 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Right here at

4 the end of the table, ma'am, right here at the

5 end of the table.

6 MS. SHELTON: You talked to me?

7 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Ma'am, ma'am --

8 MS. SHELTON: No, he didn't talk to me.

9 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Okay.

10 MS. SHELTON: No, I'm sorry.

11 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: We've heard of

12 your complaint and we've actually forwarded your

13 complaint to the Chief of Police as well. So

14 here's what we'll guarantee to you, okay?

15 MS. SHELTON: Okay.

16 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: You will

17 definitely hear from our office within the next

18 48 hours on this issue. Not only that, you'll

19 also hear from the Chief's Office as well on this

20 issue. And we have our Chief Investigator right

21 here. Could you, Ms. Drake-Davis -- if you can

22 talk to her afterwards, we'll get all of your

23 information and we'll look into what has and has

24 not been done and do everything on our end to

25 make sure that we do the very best to bring

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1 closure.

2 And you're absolutely right. We do not

3 want anything to escalate out of this that may be

4 unfortunate as well, so we definitely hear you

5 and we're prepared to act, and you did come to

6 the right meeting tonight, and we're letting you

7 know right now that we'll handle it for you,

8 okay.

9 MS. SHELTON: Thank you.


11 ma'am, we appreciate you coming.

12 (APPLAUSE.)

13 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: And the

14 Assistant Chief also wishes --

15 ASST. CHIEF WELLS: Ma'am, before you

16 go, I'd also like you to talk with Insp. Eric

17 Jones who is the commanding officer at the

18 Eastern District. I'd like you to talk to him

19 tonight too so we can get your information and we

20 can expedite what Commissioner Warfield said

21 about --

22 MS. SHELTON: I'll talk to anybody who

23 will help me help my son stay alive.

24 ASST. CHIEF WELLS: He's the man for

25 that job.

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1 MS. SHELTON: All right.


3 ma'am, Ms. Shelton.

4 MR. WELBORNE: Good evening, Bill

5 Welborne, president of Detroit City-Wide Police

6 Community Relations. I just want to piggyback on

7 what is saying because I heard a lot of this

8 before and by being president of City-Wide a lot

9 of this comes back on me. People ask me why

10 can't you do this, why can't you talk to this

11 person.

12 So tonight I would like to know that if

13 I can get to talk to some of the top echelon of

14 the police department and the presidents of all

15 these precincts around the city, get together and

16 we can parley about certain things.

17 Because a lot of people would say well,

18 we don't get the information down to us, we don't

19 know what's going on. And they ask me a question

20 and I have to go try to find out because some of

21 the questions, I don't know right offhand.

22 But if we can get together and sit down

23 and talk maybe once or twice a year, I don't

24 think that's asking too much. We used to do it a

25 long time ago, but for the last six or seven

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1 years we haven't done this at all.

2 So if we can just set up a meeting with

3 -- like I say, with all the presidents of all the

4 associates -- of all the precincts around the

5 city, I can get them all together, and they can

6 give everything to their people, because they're

7 the ones that disseminate everything around to

8 their people every month when they have a

9 meeting.

10 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Yes, sir.

11 MR. WELBORNE: And that's all I got to

12 say.


14 Mr. Welborne, and we'll make sure that we can get

15 that information to you and we appreciate you for

16 all the meetings you come out -- what -- you're

17 in the 12th Precinct, sir?

18 MR. WELBORNE: Yeah, I'm in the 12th.

19 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: In the 12th

20 Precinct, so certainly we will make sure that the

21 new guy over there will get in contact with you.

22 MR. WELBORNE: Okay. You can get to

23 George, me and George see each other a lot. We

24 see each other all the time.

25 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Absolutely

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1 we'll do that, thank you, Mr. Welborne.

2 Yes, sir.

3 MR. McKISSIC: Yes, my name is Darren

4 McKissick. Y'all probably know my brother,

5 Commander McKissic, and we share a lot of ideas

6 about how to handle some of the situations here.

7 We also know that there's a code of

8 ethics on the street that's part of what we call

9 the street institution that encompasses like the

10 gangs, that's reinforced by that music that

11 reinforces them to do a lot of stupid things.

12 Crime is like a badge of honor for a

13 lot of the students unfortunately. And

14 personally I'm tired of going to a lot of young

15 people's funerals, but somehow we have to set up

16 a task force I think that looks at a proactive

17 way of dealing with our youth, dealing with our

18 communities.

19 The street institution is a very big

20 competitor with the academic institution. The

21 students know a lot of street stuff, and they put

22 that a lot of times as a priority versus the

23 stuff that we teach here in our academic

24 institutions.

25 The Gang Squad, I like them very much

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1 because they seem to have an impulse, to know the

2 impulse of the street many times and a lot of

3 times too they -- okay, one minute remain -- they

4 also seem to know how to handle that

5 aggressiveness because that aggressiveness is

6 scaring a lot of Detroiters out of this city,

7 they're leaving.

8 We've got to feel safe in order to have

9 a city. Otherwise, we're going to have mayhem

10 and we need that proactive task force, we need

11 that real bad. And I suggest that we do keep

12 that Gang Squad here and that's pretty much all I

13 have to say.

14 (APPLAUSE.)


16 Mr. McKissic, we appreciate it. Yes, ma'am.

17 MS. JENKINS: Good evening, I'm Dorothy

18 Jenkins. I want to thank the Commission and also

19 the young people that came with the educators for

20 their boldness and courage.

21 I too want to keep the Gang Squad. I

22 worked -- I'm retired from Detroit Public

23 Schools. I'm at a charter now, but I've worked

24 both as a school social worker and a school

25 psychologist.

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1 The Gang Squad has a unique ability to

2 form relationships. They anticipate what's going

3 to happen many times and I listen to people

4 define loosely organized groups of people.

5 Well, perhaps we don't have the

6 problems that LA has because we have this Gang

7 Squad, because they're there and they're

8 anticipating doing what we need to do.

9 So my question to you is, every

10 resource -- have we had the attitude that we have

11 to keep the Gang Squad? Have we had that

12 thought? If we had to keep it, where would we

13 get the money? Are we thinking we have to keep

14 them, so what do we need to do next?

15 Are there grants? I mean, have you

16 searched every way that we can possibly keep

17 them?

18 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: One of the

19 reasons that -- and we thank you so very much,

20 Ms. Jenkins. One of the reasons that we're

21 having this conversation tonight is because we

22 want to hear from the public as relates to the

23 impact. Certainly as we're looking over and

24 reviewing what a restructuring means for the city

25 of Detroit we want to look at how can we -- can

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1 the department best serve its citizens.

2 So from a dollar standpoint, from a

3 resource allocation standpoint personnel-wise, we

4 want to look at all of that. So all of that is

5 being looked at, yes, ma'am.

6 MS. JENKINS: Thank you.


8 Yes, sir.

9 OFFICER BUSH: Good evening. Mark

10 Bush, I'm assigned to Tac Mobile, been there

11 since 1996. I just want to draw your attention

12 to three significant incidents in the last couple

13 of weeks.

14 The first one being the Winter Blast.

15 Our units were re-deployed down there for some

16 unruly folks. It started at American Coney

17 Island, went from American Coney Island into the

18 Transit Center, the Rosa Parks Transit Center,

19 and I don't know that I can quote exactly what

20 the supervisor said on the radio, but he said

21 basically single-handedly we stopped a mini-riot.

22 The second thing I'd like to draw your

23 attention to is over the last two weeks the units

24 were deployed to the Central District to answer

25 radio runs because they had one scout car for

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1 Number 1 and the 13th Precinct. We were deployed

2 down there to answer radio runs, call for

3 service, in both of those precincts.

4 The third thing would be the 6th

5 Precinct. Within the last two weeks we were

6 deployed there. They were 60 runs in the hole.

7 We sent our units there and within 90 minutes we

8 had the runs cleared up. They had six on their

9 Board.

10 And just as recent as this week the

11 Honorable Mayor Bing had his State of the City

12 Address. During that incident we had a

13 barricaded gunman. Our units had to be

14 redeployed from the State of the City Address to

15 address a barricaded gunman, an armed subject

16 firing with an AK-47 randomly to deal to that, to

17 set up the perimeter to keep everybody safe.

18 So before you go and make these rash

19 decisions, I think certain things need to be

20 taken into consideration.

21 And in closing, there's an officer that

22 writes an article in the Northwest District. She

23 addresses the Gang Squad and how the Gang Squad

24 takes care of our children during the school year

25 and addresses the gangs during the summer, and

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1 she had two or three sentences about Gang Squad,

2 but when she got to Tac Mobile, she said Tac

3 Mobile does everything. One line, that's all

4 that she said. Thank you.

5 (APPLAUSE.)


7 we appreciate it, Mr. Bush. Yes, sir.

8 PASTOR TAYLOR: Good evening. My name

9 is Kenneth Taylor. I'm privileged to serve as an

10 educator on the east side of Detroit for the last

11 27 years and I have pastored on the west side for

12 the last 35 years, so I have a unique

13 perspective.

14 Errol Flyns, Bishops, Chains, Coneys,

15 Fifty Zone, Swap, Hustle Hard, Seven Mile, Six

16 Mile, Van Dyke, Warren, Mack Ave, Real Warren

17 Kings, Linwood, Third, those are just the names

18 of a few of the gangs that are in our city. I

19 was appalled when I saw that there was any

20 discussion of disbanding the Gang Squad.

21 Gangs are a real and present danger --

22 a clear and present danger in our city, to our

23 young people, to all of us. If we want to bring

24 Detroit back to the city that it once was, we're

25 going to have to take control of the streets from

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1 those who are seeking to take the control from

2 law-abiding citizens.

3 I urge the Police Commission and all

4 those in authority to reconsider their decision

5 to disband the Gang Squad and I want to say --

6 express my appreciation to the police officers

7 for working longer hours for less pay and

8 continuing to do an outstanding job.

9 Thank you very much.

10 (APPLAUSE.)


12 Pastor Taylor. Good to see you, sir.

13 Yes, ma'am.

14 OFFICER O'NEILL: Adrian O'Neill,

15 police officer, City of Detroit, 12 years. I did

16 approximately eight years at Number 9 and I've

17 been at Tac Mobile for four. I apologize because

18 I was not prepared to speak tonight, but I do

19 feel that Tac Mobile needed to be brought up a

20 little bit more than it has.

21 I think that shutting Gang Squad and

22 Tac Mobile as a whole is Number 1 injustice to

23 the citizens fist and foremost. Tac Mobile is a

24 unit that we have between seven to 10 two-man

25 patrol cars seven days a week that are able to be

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1 regrouped and deployed anywhere in the city to

2 handle shootings, mass incidents to assist with

3 police runs, you know, and when we aren't

4 answering police runs, we're able to go and check

5 through the communities, these neighborhoods, the

6 gas stations, to make sure that these people that

7 are robbing, carjacking, selling narcotics, are

8 not doing what they're doing there.

9 And when Tac Mobile goes into a

10 precinct or a district or small area, within a

11 couple of hours criminal activity almost ceases

12 to occur that night. We can go into any district

13 when they call on us and within like Mark first

14 said, 90 minutes we have all the runs cleared

15 off.

16 I think that the citizens need to know

17 a little bit more exactly what Tac Mobile does,

18 you know. When incidents happen downtown, we're

19 the unit that changes our hours and are down

20 there in our turtle gear or able to put on our

21 turtle gear. So I think, like I said, the

22 biggest injustice is to the citizens for shutting

23 down these units, Tac Mobile especially and Gang

24 Squad, and to the other officers that are out

25 there on the street. I mean, they rely on us as

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1 much as we rely on them.

2 When they get into a shooting like MSP

3 or when something happens in the precinct, we

4 need them as much as they need us to have each

5 other's back and I don't think shutting down Tac

6 Mobile to put one car in a district justifies

7 having seven to 10 patrol cars that are able to

8 be redeployed and put where they need to be.

9 Like I said, that's pretty much all I

10 have. I apologize, I wasn't ready to speak, so

11 --

12 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Well, thank

13 you, ma'am, you did a great job, thank you. We

14 appreciate you being here.

15 (APPLAUSE.)


17 OFFICER McCOMES: Officer McComes with

18 Tac Mobile. I just want to --

19 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: I'm sorry, your

20 last name?

21 OFFICER McCOMES: M-c-C-o-m-e-s. I

22 just wanted to piggyback on Officer Bush and

23 Officer O'Neill's comments on the use of Tac

24 Mobile. We are two core functions, to be field

25 force. If there's a large event, they bring us

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1 down for protestors, just any large event. We're

2 additional support there, but our training, we

3 have -- we're trained to drive the prisoner bus,

4 the command post, as well as our deployment of

5 gas or less than lethal. We also -- the other

6 core function is we're mobile, just as they said.

7 We can go anywhere at any time and they

8 can use us in whatever need that is to fill that

9 -- to make that necessary. Also our snipers are

10 with our unit and if you close us down, we don't

11 know where the snipers are going to -- how

12 they're going to train, if they're different

13 hours and so forth.

14 So we just wanted to share that. Our

15 boots are already on the street when we're -- you

16 know, they're saying there will be more boots.

17 We're already there. We -- when we're not used

18 for anything specific, we're on patrol.

19 Similar to MSP, we're on patrol looking

20 for extreme issues, so I just wanted to share

21 that. Who will they call for additional support

22 if we're not there? Because the melee Saturday

23 at Winter Blast was extremely intense.

24 There was low manpower and it was a

25 huge amount of gangs, gangs that we're familiar

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1 with. And they come downtown on the bus and

2 that's where a lot of the issues started.

3 At the Winter Blast we witnessed

4 strong-arm robberies right in front of us and we

5 were just running back and forth trying to calm

6 that situation. And we did, but it took a few

7 minutes, a couple of hours. So those are the

8 things that we're there for, just additional

9 support. So who will be called if we're not

10 there and we are already on patrol. We don't

11 just sit in an office waiting for deployment.

12 Thank you.


14 Officer McComes.

15 (APPLAUSE.)

16 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Actually I was

17 going to ask Officer O'Neill that same question.

18 You all are absolutely on the ground right now,

19 correct? All right, thank you.

20 Yes, mother.

21 MS. SMITH: Good evening, Bernice

22 Smith, political activist. I have enjoyed coming

23 to the east side. I have sat here and listened

24 to the officers explain to us what their duties

25 are and they're not lying because I see them. I

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1 live in Midtown, so you know I see them every day

2 patrolling up and down Woodward and I know what

3 they're doing down there by the Fox Theatre. I

4 see the black and whites down there.

5 So I am proud of them, very proud of

6 them, and the Gang Squad. Now today I had the

7 pleasure of going to Judge Keith's luncheon, soul

8 food luncheon, and who did I run into but your

9 dear Mayor, and you know I cannot let him go by

10 me without giving him my opinion.

11 I've known him for years so I have the

12 right, I feel, and I know I can tell him what I

13 feel. I have told him about the Gang Squad. I

14 told him -- Brown, don't start now, come on.

15 I have told him about the Gang Squad.

16 I told him about the Tactical Squad and I told

17 him about the hours that the police are being

18 utilized on.

19 So you see I did get a chance to give

20 him my thoughts and what you were thinking about

21 because I feel it. I used to be a police

22 commissioner, even though they can't find my

23 records, but that's all right. But anyway, this

24 was under Coleman's days. So I know what you're

25 going through. It wasn't as bad those days, but

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1 it is terrible now. I know this for a fact. I'm

2 not there and I see what these kids are doing.

3 I saw you what you did on TV. You did

4 a marvelous job and I said, "Knock the hell out

5 of everyone you get". That's what I said to

6 myself.

7 (APPLAUSE.)

8 MS. SMITH: So what I'm telling you now

9 -- oh, the Governor was there too. So I didn't

10 him too much like I got the Mayor, but I'm going

11 to work on the Mayor and I do have the input that

12 the Governor is going to give us, you know, what

13 in another week or so, I'm telling you that right

14 now. He's coming from New York, so you can just

15 look out for it, we're going to have one.


17 Ms. Smith.

18 MS. SMITH: I will tell you, pray for

19 me working on your Mayor because I'm going to

20 talk to him over and over again about the police

21 department because I've always been supportive of

22 the police department and I do want him to do

23 something about it, not sit up there on the 13th

24 -- or the 11th floor and just don't do anything.

25 I'm very serious about that.

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2 ma'am.

3 MS. SMITH: Talk to you.

4 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Always good to

5 see you.

6 (APPLAUSE.)


8 MS. ROBINSON: Good evening, thank you.

9 My name is K-a-t-r-i-c-e Robinson. I am

10 president of Midwest Civil Council Block Club.

11 We are in the 2nd Precinct, Second to None. I

12 just come now because I want to extend that Gang

13 Squad cannot be eliminated because they are

14 presently in the schools and in the neighborhoods

15 and don't forget that the school years are going

16 to be extended and with that being extended means

17 that you need added protection.

18 Also I also want to know why aren't the

19 city ordinances enforced as far as picking up

20 young people for these curfews. That would

21 really eliminate a lot of this violence and

22 robbing and stealing and killing that is going on

23 if they enforce the curfew, not only at

24 nighttime, but during school hours as well.

25 I see a lot of kids that are missing

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1 school and are on the corners or in these stores

2 and at the gas stations panhandling when they

3 should be getting that qualified education.

4 I also want to state that we addressed

5 last week there was a young man from Parts Galore

6 and his name is Bill Wild. He came in to offer

7 the police a mini station on his facility.

8 We did go by there the other day and

9 surveyed the area and thought that it is

10 conducive for a setup for a mini station on

11 Warren and Livernois area. However, we

12 understand that there is not the manpower. If we

13 don't get rid of Gang Squad and the Tactical

14 Unit, that does free up police officers in other

15 areas.

16 We want the community to be involved

17 and therefore you have the block clubs involved,

18 surely they would get out and volunteer and

19 patrol the areas and be able to come in and take

20 reports or assist the police officers with those

21 reports.

22 So we just want to try and get someone

23 over there to put a body in that facility. Thank

24 you.


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1 ma'am. So good to see you again. Thank you for

2 coming.

3 (APPLAUSE.)

4 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Ms. Murray?

5 PRINCIPAL MURRAY: Good evening. I

6 think you all know my position.

7 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: For the record,

8 could you give us your name, ma'am.

9 PRINCIPAL MURRAY: I am Patricia

10 Murray, principal of East English Village

11 Preparatory Academy. And I am in favor of

12 keeping Gang Squad intact.

13 What happened at Pershing High School

14 yesterday is what every principal in the city of

15 Detroit fears, but yet it is something that we

16 deal with almost every day, and that we have to

17 keep from happening in our buildings every day.

18 So we worked very hard to make sure

19 that we don't have outbreaks of fights. We know

20 that in every -- well, in every school that I've

21 ever been in, and I've been an educator over 20

22 years, there have been gangs,

23 neighborhood-affiliated gangs. And there have

24 been problems that come right into the school

25 from the neighborhoods all the time.

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1 And I just want to say that there was a

2 police officer that came in my office once who

3 said to me, "I don't know how you all do the job

4 that you do because it's like you have a little

5 city within your building and they're all there

6 together" and that's what we deal with.

7 They come together in our building and

8 they take out the problems here. Often times

9 they will start them in the buildings because

10 they know that we could call for Gang Squad and

11 it won't last for long.

12 So they want to fight in the building

13 because they know someone will stop it and

14 because they know that we're going to call Gang

15 Squad and usually there is someone who's in that

16 gang that will notify us when it's getting ready

17 to go down, so that we can call Gang Squad and it

18 won't turn into a blood bath.

19 So I ask you one final and last time,

20 if you're going to reallocate their services,

21 reallocate them on the streets around the schools

22 towards the end of the day so that we can at

23 least have the services of Gang Squad for our

24 students.

25 As an educator, I am also a mother and

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1 I raised my child in the city of Detroit and I

2 still live in the city of Detroit and I hurt my

3 heart when I found out that he was trying to

4 affiliate himself with a gang, and I had to ask

5 why, and he felt that if he did not, he would be

6 hurt.

7 So I implore you, please keep them

8 intact. We need them, our children need them.

9 Thank you.


11 Ms. Murray.

12 (APPLAUSE.)

13 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Yes, sir.

14 MR. LOPEZ: Good evening, everyone. My

15 name is John Lopez. I'm here representing

16 Detroit Southwest Pride, resident of Detroit for

17 43 years. I'm here with two other individuals

18 who are active members in the Southwest Detroit

19 community. We patrol every night. We know

20 what's happening in the street. We have Gang

21 Squad, they have assisted us in our peace walks,

22 in our peace march that we have done here in the

23 city of Detroit in our area.

24 We have seen the gangs, yes. I feel

25 that a Gang Squad is very important for our area.

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1 In our area we had the gangs -- a particular gang

2 called Dos Santos. They're national, so the

3 gangs that are maybe mentioned here could be

4 local. The gangs we have in our area is from

5 Mexico, so we do need Gang Squad in our area.

6 So to continue on, Linda, go ahead.

7 MS. CORTEZ: Yes, I feel deeply that we

8 need to keep Gang Squad.

9 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: I'm sorry, your

10 name for the record, please, your full name?

11 MS. CORTEZ: Linda Cortez. I'm a

12 resident of Southwest Detroit for 45 years and my

13 son has never been in a gang, but he's always

14 explained to me what's been going on in the

15 schools and what he's had to deal with on the

16 street. And to me if Gang Squad is gone, then

17 the kids will suffer more in the schools and in

18 the street.

19 They will be harassed and as the police

20 officer said, Gang Squad members, they're not the

21 gangs that's hanging on the corners any more,

22 they're working together to take out other kids

23 if they feel they need to take them out. And I

24 lost my son and we're suspecting it's gang

25 violence. He wasn't in a gang, but, you know, I

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1 lost him and it's very prevalent on Southwest --

2 in Southwest Detroit that they're around and I

3 just -- I've been to many candlelight vigils.

4 I've heard of so many young people losing their

5 lives and it just breaks my heart to hear of any

6 more.

7 And with them gone, the kids ain't

8 going to have a choice, you know. They're not

9 going to have any protection.


11 thank you so very much. Yes, ma'am.

12 MS. VALDEZ: Hello everybody. My name

13 is Elizabeth Valdez and I'm VP of Detroit

14 Southwest Pride and I took it upon myself in

15 August of 2011 to step up for my community and do

16 something about all the violence that's happening

17 around us. We've done one too many marches and

18 candlelight vigils for those that we have lost in

19 the violence and there is a gang problem in our

20 area and a lot of them are low key around what

21 they do and how they communicate.

22 From the residents that are in our

23 community, they are saying that Gang Squad is

24 needed, so I'm here representing them.


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1 thank you so much, Ms. Valdez, all three of you,

2 thank you.

3 Commissioner White?

4 COMMISSIONER WHITE: Let me first --

5 thank you, Chair. Let me first thank everyone

6 who's in the doghouse like me for not being where

7 we're supposed to be as of yet, but I do think

8 this conversation was extremely important and

9 worth taking the time out to ensure that their

10 voices are heard.

11 But I also want to make sure that we

12 keep our focus. I don't think this conversation

13 is being analytical to the command staff of this

14 department, but I believe wholeheartedly that

15 this is how issues and problems are solved is

16 when the City and the community meets in the

17 middle to have a healthy conversation centered

18 around how we better our community and I just

19 wanted to applaud each and every one of you who

20 took the time out of your schedules to be here

21 today.

22 But, colleagues, also I have a

23 communication that was sent on behalf of

24 Ms. Alice Thompson who is CEO of Black Family

25 Development and also sits on the Board for Hope

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1 Academy. This communication as it reads dated

2 February 12.

3 "Attached is a communication that was

4 forwarded to the Police Chief today

5 requesting police presence during

6 dismissal time at Hope Academy located

7 at 12121 Broadstreet from 3 PM to 5 PM

8 beginning today because of clear and

9 immediate danger to the school

10 population because of active gang

11 activity.

12 Gang activity was present on the

13 grounds and in the school yesterday

14 with the threat to continuing to

15 return. Thank you. If you have any

16 questions, she is available."

17 She also sent a letter that was cc'd to

18 the Mayor, the Chief and this body that I will

19 share with each of you, but I find it ironic

20 because I do Ms. Thompson and she pondered

21 whether she would engage in this very

22 conversation and the ensuing day is when the

23 incident happened at a school that she's

24 affiliated with, so I think everybody if not

25 affected will be affected by this.

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1 And I think we will continue this

2 conversation, Mr. Chair, and maybe there's

3 something, there's something more that we can do

4 within our power to address the various degrees

5 of concern and being maybe a medium or bring

6 everybody to the table.

7 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Absolutely.

8 Thank you, sir. And to that end I do want to say

9 for the record that we have received over 25

10 letters from principals, from teachers, from

11 business owners, from citizens and from students

12 expressing the same desire to keep Gang Squad and

13 Tac Mobile in place.

14 Are there any other comments for

15 tonight's meeting? Any other comments?

16 MS. SMITH: Very good meeting.

17 COMMISSIONER WARFIELD: Thank you so

18 very much for your time. At this time we'll

19 entertain a motion to adjourn.

20 COMMISSIONER WHITE: So moved.

21 COMMISSIONER TAYLOR: Second.


23 properly moved and supported. We are adjourned.

24 Thank you ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you

25 next week. Thank you.

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