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Correlating Committee on Automatic Sprinkler Systems
First Draft Meeting
December 6-7, 2016
Buena Vista Palace
1900 E. Buena Vista Drive
Lake Buena Vista, FL 32830
AGENDA
Tuesday, December 6, 2016
1. Call to Order – 8:00 AM (Linder) 2. Introductions of Members and Staff 3. Review and Approval of A2015 Second Draft Meeting Minutes 4. Review of A2018 Revision Cycle and Meeting Schedule 5. Review of Distributed Material and Workload
a. Overview of Public Input/FRs b. Overview of Technical Committee Work
6. Technical Committee Chair Reports (order of reports subject to change): a. Technical Committee on Private Water Supply Piping Systems (Wagoner) b. Technical Committee on Hanging and Bracing of Water-Based Fire protection Systems (Biggins) c. Technical Committee on Sprinkler System Installation Criteria (Grill) d. Technical Committee on Sprinkler System Discharge Criteria (Leavitt) e. Technical Committee on Residential Sprinkler Systems (Isman)
7. New Materials a. Discuss Potential Correlating Items from CC Members
Wednesday, December 7, 2016
8. Reconvene 8:00AM (Time Subject to Change) 9. Adjournment 12:00 PM
Table of Contents
1. Meeting Agenda
2. Committee List
3. A2015 Second Draft Meeting Minutes
4. A2018 Key Dates
5. Sprinkler Project First Revisions
6. Correlating Issues
Correlating Committee Roster
Address List No PhoneAutomatic Sprinkler Systems AUT-AAC
David R. Hague11/16/2016
AUT-AAC
Kenneth W. Linder
ChairSwiss Re2 Waterside Crossing, Suite 200Windsor, CT 06095-1588
I 10/10/1997AUT-AAC
Jose R. Baz
PrincipalJRB Associates Group Inc.555 NE 34th StreetApt. 2603Miami, FL 33137-4060NFPA Latin American SectionAlternate: Donato A. Pirro
M 11/14/1997
AUT-AAC
Kerry M. Bell
PrincipalUL LLC333 Pfingsten RoadNorthbrook, IL 60062-2096Alternate: Jeff Hebenstreit
RT 10/10/1997AUT-AAC
Tracey D. Bellamy
PrincipalTelgian Corporation900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 680Atlanta, GA 30339-3084The Home DepotAlternate: Ralph E. Bless, Jr.
U 10/29/2012
AUT-AAC
Russell P. Fleming
Principal40 Jon Barrett RoadPatterson, NY 12563-2164Alternate: Victoria B. Valentine
M 10/10/1997AUT-AAC
Scott T. Franson
PrincipalThe Viking Corporation210 North Industrial Park RoadHastings, MI 49058Alternate: Scott T. Martorano
M 1/18/2001
AUT-AAC
Michael J. Friedman
PrincipalFriedman Consulting, Inc.1 Bluestone RoadLutherville, MD 21093-4512
SE 3/21/2006AUT-AAC
Luke Hilton
PrincipalLiberty Mutual Property13830 Ballantyne Corporate Place, Suite 525Charlotte, NC 20277-2711Alternate: James P. Carroll
I 4/16/1999
AUT-AAC
Alex Hoffman
PrincipalViking Fire Protection Inc.7885 North Fraser Way, Unit 140Burnaby, BC V5J 5M7 CanadaCanadian Automatic Sprinkler AssociationAlternate: Jason W. Ryckman
IM 9/30/2004AUT-AAC
Roland J. Huggins
PrincipalAmerican Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.12750 Merit Drive, Suite 350Dallas, TX 75251-1273Alternate: Donald D. Becker
IM 10/10/1997
AUT-AAC
Sultan M. Javeri
PrincipalSC Engineering2 Impasse Du GuernehlieLa Trinite, Surzur, 56190 France
IM 10/10/1997AUT-AAC
Charles W. Ketner
PrincipalNational Automatic Sprinkler Fitters LU 669Joint Apprenticeship & Training Committee7050 Oakland Mills RoadColumbia, MD 20732United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry
L 1/10/2008
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Address List No PhoneAutomatic Sprinkler Systems AUT-AAC
David R. Hague11/16/2016
AUT-AAC
Andrew Kim
PrincipalNational Research Council of CanadaInstitute for Research in Construction1200 Montreal Road, Building M-59Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6 CanadaAlternate: Joseph Su
RT 10/10/1997AUT-AAC
John A. LeBlanc
PrincipalFM Global1151 Boston-Providence TurnpikePO Box 9102Norwood, MA 02062-9102Alternate: David B. Fuller
I 07/29/2013
AUT-AAC
David O. Lowrey
PrincipalCity of Boulder Fire Rescue3065 Center Green DriveBoulder, CO 80301
E 10/29/2012AUT-AAC
Brock Mitchell
PrincipalExtended Stay Hotels11525 N Community House RdSuite 100Charlotte, NC 28277
U 10/29/2012
AUT-AAC
Garner A. Palenske
PrincipalJensen Hughes/AON Fire Protection Engineering11770 Bernardo Plaza Court, Suite 116San Diego, CA 92128JENSEN HUGHESAlternate: Jeffrey E. Harper
SE 4/17/2002AUT-AAC
Douglas Paul Stultz
PrincipalUS Department of the NavyNAVFAC MIDLANT, Code CI459742 Maryland AvenueBuilding Z-140, Room 126Norfolk, VA 23508Alternate: Lawrence Richard Phillips
E 3/15/2007
AUT-AAC
J. Michael Thompson
PrincipalGHD/The Protection Engineering Group, PC14585 Avion Parkway, Suite 150Chantilly, VA 20151Alternate: John G. O'Neill
SE 4/17/2002AUT-AAC
Adam Seghi
Voting AlternateCoda Risk Analysis9624 Vista View DriveAustin, TX 78750
I 10/29/2012
AUT-AAC
Donald D. Becker
AlternateRJC & Associates, Inc.PO Box 398Dallas Center, IA 50063-0398American Fire Sprinkler AssociationPrincipal: Roland J. Huggins
IM 10/10/1997AUT-AAC
Ralph E. Bless, Jr.
AlternateTelgian Corporation900 Circle 75 Parkway, Suite 680Atlanta, GA 30339-3084The Home DepotPrincipal: Tracey D. Bellamy
U 10/29/2012
AUT-AAC
James P. Carroll
AlternateLiberty Mutual Insurance18018 Java Isle DriveTampa, FL 33647-2708Principal: Luke Hilton
I 08/11/2014AUT-AAC
David B. Fuller
AlternateFM Approvals743 Reynolds RoadWest Glocester, RI 02814Principal: John A. LeBlanc
I 7/26/2007
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Address List No PhoneAutomatic Sprinkler Systems AUT-AAC
David R. Hague11/16/2016
AUT-AAC
Jeffrey E. Harper
AlternateJENSEN HUGHES210 Salford DriveAlgonquin, IL 60102-5610JENSEN HUGHESPrincipal: Garner A. Palenske
SE 08/11/2014AUT-AAC
Jeff Hebenstreit
AlternateUL LLC484 Tamarach DriveEdwardsville, IL 62025-5246UL LLCPrincipal: Kerry M. Bell
RT 08/11/2014
AUT-AAC
Scott T. Martorano
AlternateThe Viking Corporation210 North Industrial Park RoadHastings, MI 49058Principal: Scott T. Franson
M 3/1/2011AUT-AAC
John G. O'Neill
AlternateGHD/The Protection Engineering Group, PC14585 Avion Parkway, Suite 150Chantilly, VA 20151Principal: J. Michael Thompson
SE 1/1/1977
AUT-AAC
Lawrence Richard Phillips
AlternateUS Department of the NavyNAVFAC MIDLANT CI459324 Virginia AvenueBuilding Z-140, Room 126Norfolk, VA 23511-3624Principal: Douglas Paul Stultz
E 12/08/2015AUT-AAC
Donato A. Pirro
AlternateElectro Sistemas De Panama, S.A.Ave. Ernesto T. LefevreParque LefevrePanama City, PanamaNFPA Latin American SectionPrincipal: Jose R. Baz
M 11/14/1997
AUT-AAC
Jason W. Ryckman
AlternateCanadian Automatic Sprinkler Association335 Renfrew Drive, Suite 302Markham, ON L3R 9S9 CanadaPrincipal: Alex Hoffman
IM 10/28/2014AUT-AAC
Joseph Su
AlternateNational Research Council of Canada1200 Montreal Road, M-59Ottawa, ON K1A 0R6 CanadaPrincipal: Andrew Kim
RT 10/29/2012
AUT-AAC
Victoria B. Valentine
AlternateNational Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc.40 Jon Barrett RoadPatterson, NY 12563-2164Principal: Russell P. Fleming
M 04/08/2015AUT-AAC
James B. Biggins
Nonvoting MemberTUV SUD America Inc./Global Risk Consultants Corporation15732 West Barr RoadManhattan, IL 60442-9012TC on Hanging & Bracing of Water-Based Systems
SE 7/28/2006
AUT-AAC
Raymond A. Grill
Nonvoting MemberArup1120 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1110Washington, DC 20036TC on Sprinkler System Installation Criteria
SE 12/08/2015AUT-AAC
Kenneth E. Isman
Nonvoting MemberUniversity of Maryland7402 Forests Edge CourtLaurel, MD 20707TC on Residential Sprinkler Systems
SE 12/08/2015
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Address List No PhoneAutomatic Sprinkler Systems AUT-AAC
David R. Hague11/16/2016
AUT-AAC
William E. Koffel
Nonvoting MemberKoffel Associates, Inc.8815 Centre Park Drive, Suite 200Columbia, MD 21045-2107Safety to Life Correlating Committee
SE 10/10/1997AUT-AAC
Russell B. Leavitt
Nonvoting MemberTelgian Corporation10230 S. 50th PlacePhoenix, AZ 85044TC on Sprinkler System Discharge Criteria
U 10/28/2008
AUT-AAC
Maurice M. Pilette
Nonvoting MemberMechanical Designs Ltd.67 Chouteau AvenueFramingham, MA 01701-4259TC on Residential Sprinkler Systems
SE 7/28/2006AUT-AAC
Kenneth W. Wagoner
Nonvoting MemberParsley Consulting Engineers350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206Escondido, CA 92025-5053TC on Private Water Supply Piping Systems
SE 03/02/2010
AUT-AAC
John J. Walsh
Member EmeritusUA Joint Apprenticeship Committee Local 669502 Kings Farm Blvd., #302Rockville, MD 20850United Assn. of Journeymen & Apprentices of thePlumbing & Pipe Fitting Industry
SE 1/1/1974AUT-AAC
David R. Hague
Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Assocation1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471
3/18/2016
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Second Draft Meeting Minutes
Correlating Committee on Automatic Sprinkler Systems
Second Draft Meeting Minutes
November 12-13
Chicago Marriott Suites O’Hare
6155 North River Road
Rosemont, IL 60018
Tel: (800) 228-9290
Wednesday November 12, 2014
1. The meeting was called to order by CC Chair Ken Linder at 1:00 PM. 2. The TC reviewed and approved the A2015 First Draft Meeting Minutes. 3. NFPA Staff (Matt Klaus) reviewed the regulations governing technical committee
meetings and outlined the protocol for making motions for the Second Draft meeting. 4. The Technical Committee heard the following task group reports: 5. The CC heard the following TC Chair Reports:
a. AUT-PRI (Wagoner) b. AUT-SSI (Noble) c. AUT-SSD (Leavitt) d. AUT-RSS (Pilette) e. AUT-HBS (Biggins)
6. New Business a. The TC reviewed the recommendations of the AUT-SSD technical committee
regarding the need to restructure the document and address the inconsistent redundancies throughout the standard. The Correlating Committee (CC) noted that some of the items noted on the AUT-SSD recommendation list may not address redundancy or organizational issue, and therefore are not under the scope of the CC. These issues would constitute technical changes and should be referred to the appropriate technical committee. The CC voted to establish a task group to prepare a draft of a revised/reorganized NFPA 13 that addresses the concerns addressed by the CC. The draft should be developed with the following concepts/questions in mind:
1. Redundancy that improves the usability of the standard is appropriate. Redundancy that
would further confuse an issue or create conflict is not acceptable. 2. Where a general section exists (8.5 or Ch 12) the information presented in these sections
should not be repeated throughout the standard. Modifications to these general requirements should be called out in the specific chapters and refer back to the general requirement where applicable. The language does not need to be repeated in every section
3. If some redundancy is acceptable, the structure of the redundancy must be consistent throughout the document.
4. Does NFPA 13 contain the correct flow from chapter to chapter?
5. Is there a need to combine, reorder or split certain chapters? 6. Are the chapter titles correct? Is the breakdown of info correct (should the storage
chapters be done by sprinkler technology? Commodity? Storage arrangement {rack vs piled})?
7. Are the structures of similar chapters consistent (storage chapters)?
The task group roster is as follows: TG Chair – Russ Leavitt TG Vice-Chair – Mike Friedman TG Members – Roland Huggins, Dave Lowrey, Tracey Bellamy, Adam Seghi, Bob Caputo, James Golinveaux, Victoria Valentine, Peter Schwab
The task group is charged with preparing a draft and presenting it to the CC for consideration prior to the start of the next revision cycle.
b. The correlating committee discussed the need to limit the amount of public
input/comments that get reviewed by task groups at the technical committee level. The majority of public input/comments submitted to SSI and SSD were reviewed by tasks groups and some TC members felt like the task group recommendations were “rubber stamped” by the TC without sufficient technical discussion. The TC chairs were encouraged to be more critical in the assignment of task groups.
7. The meeting was adjourned 11:45 AM.
Attendees: Principals Kenneth Linder, Chair Kerry Bell Tracey Bellamy Russell Fleming Scott Franson Michael Friedman Luke Hilton Alex Hoffman Roland Huggins Sultan Javeri David Lowrey Douglas Stultz J. Michael Thompson Alternates: David Fuller Donato Pirro Adam Seghi Non-Voting: James Biggins Russell Leavitt Maurice Pilette Guests: Victoria Valentine Thomas Zaremba Sebastien Javeri Matthew Klaus, NFPA Staff Liaison
A2018 Key Dates
Process
StageProcess Step Dates for TC
Dates for TC
with CC
Public Input Closing Date 6/29/2016 6/29/2016
Final date for TC First Draft Meeting 12/7/2016 9/7/2016Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot 1/25/2017 10/19/2016Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot 2/15/2017 11/9/2016Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/22/2017 11/16/2016Posting of First Draft for CC Meeting 11/23/2016Final date for CC First Draft Meeting 1/4/2017Posting of First Draft and CC Ballot 1/25/2017Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot 2/15/2017Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/22/2017Post First Draft Report for Public Comment 3/1/2017 3/1/2017
Public Comment closing date 5/10/2017 5/10/2017
Notice published on Consent Standards (Standards that receive No Comments). Note: Date varies and determined via TC ballot.
_ _
Appeal Closing Date for Consent Standards (15 Days) (Standards That Received
No Comments)_ _
Final date for TC Second Draft Meeting 11/8/2017 8/2/2017Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot 12/20/2017 9/13/2017Final date for Receipt of TC Second Draft Ballot 1/10/2018 10/4/2017Final date for receipt of TC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 1/17/2018 10/11/2017Posting of Second Draft for CC Mtg 10/18/2017Final date for CC Second Draft Meeting 11/29/2017Posting of Second Draft for CC Ballot 12/20/2017Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot 1/10/2018Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 1/17/2018Post Second Draft Report for NITMAM Review 1/24/2018 1/24/2018
Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date 2/21/2018 2/21/2018Posting of Certified Amending Motions (CAMs) and Consent Standards 4/4/2018 4/4/2018Appeal Closing Date for Consent Standards (15 Days after posting) 4/19/2018 4/19/2018SC Issuance Date for Consent Standards (10 Days) 4/29/2018 4/29/2018
Tech Session Association Meeting for Standards with CAMs 6/4‐7/2018 6/4‐7/2018
Appeal Closing Date for Standards with CAMs (20 Days after ATM) 6/27/2018 6/27/2018Council Issuance Date for Standards with CAMs* 8/14/2018 8/14/2018
Comment
Stage (Second
Draft)
Tech Session
Preparation
(& Issuance)
Appeals and
Issuance
2018 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE
Public Input
Stage
(First Draft)
* Public Input Closing Dates may vary according to standards and schedules for Revision Cycles may change. Please check the
NFPA Website for the most up‐to‐date information on Public Input Closing Dates and schedules at www.nfpa.org/document # (i.e.
www.nfpa.org/101) and click on Next Edition tab.
CC Actions
NFPA Correlating Committee on
Automatic Sprinkler Systems The Correlating Committee (CC) actions that follow are subject to and within the limitations of the Regulations Governing the Development of NFPA Standards (the Regs) at 3.4. Actions shown fall into the category of Correlating Committee Input (CCI), Correlating Note (CN) and First Correlating Revision (FCR). In general terms, the following apply: Correlating Committee Input (CCI) Similar to a Public Input (PI), but is submitted prior to the PI closing date. Not applicable at First Draft (FD) or Second Draft (SD) meetings. (See Regs at 4.3.3.1.) CCI is not in use at this December 2016 FD meeting. Correlating Note (CN): Clarification to a Technical Committee (TC) to reconsider a Committee Input (CI), PI, or to review a First Revision (FR) or CCI (See Regs at 4.3.11.2). CNs are balloted and appear in the FD Report if they pass ballot. First Correlating Revision (FCR) Used to delete or modify FRs or to generate the equivalent of a new FR and must include a Correlating Committee Statement (CCS) to support the change. An FR from the TC that is affected by a FCR converts to a CI. (See Regs at 4.3.11.3) FCRs are balloted and appear in the FD Report if they pass ballot. Correlating Committee Statement (CCS) A statement from the CC in support of an FCR.As is true with FRs, an FCR can address only a contiguous block of text. An FCR cannot modify a text block on which an FR exists. The FR must be changed to a CI, and the FCR must show all the changes applicable to the text block.
Correlation Issues
Artwork – Chapter 25
25.9.4.1.1 & 25.5.1.2.6
Figures 17.3.1.4 (a) – (c) become Figures 25.9.4.1.1(a) – (d), (d) = 17.3.1.7?
25.5.1.2.7
Figure 17.3.1.5(a) becomes Figure 25.9.4.2.1(a)
Figure 17.3.1.5(b) becomes Figure 25.9.4.2.1 (c)? Is there a (b)?
25.9.2.1.1 (16.3.1.3.1.1(A))
Figures 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(a) thru 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(j) become Figures 25.9.2.1.1(a) thru 25.9.2.1.1(e) then
listed as:
Figure 25.9.2.1.1(a) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(b)
Figure 25.9.2.1.1(b) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(c)
Figure 25.9.2.1.1(c) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(d)
Figure 25.9.2.1.1(d) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(e)
Figure 25.9.2.1.1(e) = 16.3.1.3.1.2 (A)(a)
25.9.2.1.2 (16.3.1.3.1.1(A)
Figures 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(a) thru 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(j) become Figures 25.9.2.2(a) thru 25.9.2.2(j)
25.9.2.2.1 (16.3.1.3.1.1(A)
Figures 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(a) thru 16.3.1.3.1.1(A)(j) become Figures 25.9.2.2.1(a) thru 25.9.2.2.1(j) Same
figures in two sections?
25.9.3.1 (17.2.1.2.1)
Figure 17.2.1.2.1(b) = 25.9.3.1(a)
Figure 17.2.1.2.1(c) = 25.9.3.1(b)
Figure 17.2.1.2.1(d) = 25.9.3.1(c)
Figure 17.2.1.2.1(e) = 25.9.3.1(d)
Figure 17.2.1.2.1(f) = 25.9.3.1(e) Is 17.2.1.2.1(a) deleted?
25.9.4.1.1 (17.3.1.4)
Figure 17.3.1.4(b) = 25.9.4.1.1(a)
Figure 17.3.1.4(c) = 25.9.4.1.1(b)
Figure 17.3.1.4(a) = 25.9.4.1.1(c) using Figure 17.3.1.7 as (d)?
25.9.4.1.2 (17.3.1.6)
Figure 17.3.1.5(a) = 25.9.4.2(a) Is 17.3.1.5(a) & (b) duplicated and used in two separate sections (see
25.9.4.2.1)?
Figure 17.3.1.5(b) = 25.9.4.2(b)
25.9.4.2.1
Figure 17.3.1.5(a) = 25.3.5.2.1(a)
Figure 17.3.1.5(b) = 25.3.5.2.1(b) or 17.3.1.7 thru 25.3.5.2.1(c) Source for (c)?
Asterisk shown but no annex material provided.
Section Line on Spreadsheet
4.3.1.6* 1192
20.3.3* 5563
20.3.5* 5565
20.4.12* 5693
20.4.13* 5694
20.5.2.2* 5708
20.5.2.3* 5709
20.5.2.4* 5710
20.5.3.2* 5713
20.5.3.3* 5714
20.5.3.4* 5715
20.5.5* 5717
20.5.6* 5718
20.5.7.2.4* 5730
20.5.7.3* 5732
20.5.7.7* 5742
20.5.9.4* 5744
20.5.9.10* 5780
20.5.9.11* 5781
20.5.11* 5797
20.5.12.1* 5799
20.5.13.1* 5801
NFPA 13-2013
8.15.1.2.6* Concealed spaces formed by ceilings attached to composite wood joist construction
either directly or onto metal channels not exceeding 1 in. (25.4 mm) in depth, provided the joist
channels are firestopped into volumes each not exceeding 160 ft3 (4.53 m3) using materials
equivalent to the web construction and at least 31⁄2 in. (90 mm) of batt insulation is installed at
the bottom of the joist channels when the ceiling is attached utilizing metal channels, shall not
require sprinkler protection.
11.2.3.1.4(4)(j)*Light or ordinary hazard occupancies where noncombustible or limited-
combustible ceilings are attached to the bottom of composite wood joists either directly or on
to metal channels not exceeding 1 in.
(25.4 mm) in depth, provided the adjacent joist channels are firestopped into volumes not
exceeding 160 ft3 (4.5 m3) using materials equivalent to 1⁄2 in. (12.7 mm) gypsum board and at
least 31⁄2 in. (90 mm) of batt insulation is installed at the bottom of the joist channels when
the ceiling is attached utilizing metal channels.
Is it the intent to require gypsum in one case but not the other? I have an AHJ who is requiring
the installation of gypsum in a concealed space to eliminate sprinklers in the space.