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archived as http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Cameron_02.doc

(also …Cameron_02.pdf) => doc pdf URL-doc URL-pdf

more on this topic at the /UFO.htm page at doc pdf URL

note: because important websites are frequently "here today but gone tomorrow", the following was

archived from http://www.presidentialufo.com/articles-a-papers/379-the-true-story-of-area-51-a-

look-at-the-actual-evidence on November 5, 2015. This is NOT an attempt to divert readers from

the aforementioned website. Indeed, the reader should only read this back-up copy if it cannot be

found at the original author's site.

The True Story of Area-51 and Bob Lazar by Grant Cameron / March, 2013

This paper is an analysis of the key facts behind the Bob Lazar S-4 story. It is intended for those

who are already familiar with the basic story. It is not intended as a

telling of the story.

General Overview of the Facts

The Bob Lazar story can be summed up best with 2 general

opposing set of observations.

1. Everyone involved seemed to be telling the story truthfully to the

best of their ability. The one exception seemed to be the claim

by Lazar that he had 2 Masters degrees, one from MIT and one

from Cal Tech. Nothing found in any investigation of the claim

gave the education claim any support.

Despite the fact that everyone seemed to be telling the truth,

there were a lot of pieces in the puzzle that did not fit together. Some of these discrepancies included:

(a) Lazar being hired at S-4 without any apparent visible qualifications

(b) Lazar starting work the day after the final interview and receiving a security clearance reportedly

38 levels above “Q level” when security clearances at the time were taking 12-18 months to

process

(c) On the first day of work he gets to read over 100 documents detailing various government alien

research programs when the rule would be that all this would be highly compartmentalized and

his “need to know” should only allow him to only read briefings related to the part of the

program he would be working on

(d) After taking John Lear and others to watch the flying saucer tests from the edge of the base,

Lazar was not fired. Instead he was told that his security clearance would be suspended for 6-9

months and he could apply to get it back. More bizarre is the fact that Lazar was told that the

security clearance was pulled not because he violated his security clearance by telling and

showing people what was going on in a Top Secret program but because his wife was having

an affair and this made him psychologically vulnerable. After this debriefing, he doesn’t even

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have to wait the 6-9 months. He is called back to work at S-4 shortly after when they now

know for sure that he was passing classified material to people with no “need to know.”

2. Although there were many indicators that things should not have happened the way Lazar claimed,

Lazar’s basic story of being at the base and being exposed to a back-engineering program related to

flying saucers remained intact after an 6 month investigation by investigative reporter George Knapp

at KLAS-TV in Las Vegas and investigations by other researchers. There were many things that

indicated Lazar might just be telling the story exactly as he had experienced it such as:

(a) Lazar underwent regressive hypnosis which would be a strange move by someone who was

making up a story. These sessions revealed no deception and indicated he had in fact been

involved a program that looked like a flying saucer program.

(b) Lazar underwent 4 lie detector tests which he did not fail. The second session of 2 lie-detector

tests was conducted by Terry Tavernetti who worked for the casino industry and who did lie-

detector tests every day. Tavernetti was hired by KLAS-TV and his conclusion was “If he’s

(Lazar) lying, he should be in Hollywood because he gave absolutely no physiological

indication of attempting deception.”

(c) Lazar named Mike Thigpen as the member of the Office of Federal Investigations (OFI) who

interviewed him related to his security clearance. Knapp confirmed in his investigation that

there was a person by this name working for the OFI and that the agency’s job was to do

background checks on people who get clearances to work at the Nevada Test Site or at Nellis

AFB. Later in his investigation he actually tracked Thigpen down and confronted him about

visiting Lazar. But Thigpen claimed he couldn’t remember.

(d) Despite the fact that Los Alamos National Labs (where Lazar claimed he had worked and held a

Q clearance) denied any connection to Lazar, Knapp was able to verify Lazar’s claim by

finding his name in the Los Alamos lab phone book, recovering an article that identified Lazar

as being a physicist working at Los Alamos, and having Lazar take him on a tour through the

buildings at Los Alamos. During this tour, Lazar appeared to know the staff. He was allowed

to go anywhere he wanted and seemed to know his way around.

(e) Most importantly, Knapp found 2 dozen witnesses at the base or connected to the base who

substantiated all or parts of Lazar’s story that there were recovered alien saucers and a live

alien at the base.

(f) Knapp arranged for someone who had worked at the base to question Lazar about how things

operated at the base that would not be common knowledge such as where is the cafeteria and

how do you pay for your food there. Lazar was able to answer the questions.

(f) Lazar was questioned many times on his story and never contradicted himself.

(g) There are many witnesses around Lazar (including Knapp, John Lear, and Gene Huff) who will

testify that in the months following Lazar leaving the program that phones were being tapped,

houses being broken into, and people were followed. The strongest evidence in this regard is

given by Knapp who stated that on 6 occasions, people who had agreed on the phone to go on

camera were quickly visited by people “flashing badges” or claiming to be with the Secret

Service threatening them. In all 6 cases, the people backed out of going on camera.

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In the case of one woman who claimed to have been in meetings discussing the movement

of alien material from Wright-Patterson AFB to Area-51, 20 years later she will still not even

talk to Knapp after implied death threats to her and her daughter.

(h) Finally, Lazar was able to take witnesses out to the edge of the base on March 22 and

March 29, 1989 and let them see a flying saucer test over S-4 that all agreed appeared

to be an object best described as a UFO. The object appeared where Lazar said it

would appear at exactly at what time Lazar said it would appear.

Of the many theories that have been floated to explain the Bob Lazar/Area-51 story, the theory that

best seems to explain the various discrepancies and facts of the story is that this was a move to gradually

disclose the basic fact that there was some sort of crashed saucer program at S-4. It was masked with

various misdirections (some might use the word disinformation) to prevent researchers from obtaining

solid proof of the saucer program and therefore end the cover-up.

This disclosure conclusion is accepted by all the main participants as a possible answer to what had

occurred to Bob Lazar.

Knapp, who conducted the biggest investigation of the

case, came to this conclusion.

“I’ve worked it longer than anyone. My opinion is that

while it is not a black or white story and it is not clear as to

what was going on whether Bob was really telling a revelation

or whether he was telling a story that was supposed to be told.

I don’t believe he was consciously telling some

disinformation thing. I think he was led down a path.

"I think they let him see glimpses of stuff. They decided

to pick someone who could be easily discredited after the

story gets out and he was perfect for it. He had such crazy wild interests and had credentials that were

not easily provable. They figured let’s see what happens when we tell this story of Area-51.

"I believe that Bob really was out there. I believe he really did see some of this. He saw something

that looks very much like flying saucers… I think maybe there are factions that wanted this story out.

Would people really freak out? How would they react? It could very well be that they did have the

intention – let’s tell this story. Bob gets discredited and then everyone will leave us alone because we

really do have exotic things flying around out there. No one will ever believe a story about what is

flying around out here ever again...

"The effect was that they put it out and then pulled it back. They allowed Bob to spill the beans,

allowed us to tell the story, and then in the eyes of a lot of people discredited him entirely.”

When presented with this theory that Lazar had been taken to the base knowing that he would spill

the beans and then get exposed, John Lear agreed and stated that he and Lazar had actually discussed the

possibility.

“That’s certainly plausible. I’ve always thought that it was possible they were trying to get the

information out. They said Lear is interested in it. Let’s work this out so that he can get the information

out. I’ve always told Bob (Lazar) that we tried our best but we didn’t do a very good job.”

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Lazar’s close friend Gene Huff said:

"When you extrapolate that out that there must have been some people that wanted to get it out and

some who didn’t – right? I think there was a conflict there because if there was a consensus that they

wanted to get it out, it could have been accomplished. They certainly tried to prevent it after the fact.

He asked them when he was there “How do you keep this secret?” And they said it’s the easiest thing

in the world to do. As long as you don’t prove anything one way or the other – as long as you keep

people on the fence and ridicule those who believe or who have seen things and dismiss the rest, it is

easy to keep secret because everyone wants to say there’s no Life anywhere else that we have

discovered.

The time line of the Lazar story is supported by other apparent gradual disclosure events that were

occurring at the same time. President Reagan was leaving office just as the Lazar story happened.

Reagan had a big interest in the UFO subject. Researchers around at the time will remember that there

was a lot of talk about Reagan disclosing the truth before he left office including one rumor that stated

Reagan would appear in a video message with the live alien.

Lazar was hired only 5 weeks after the UFO documentary “UFO Cover-up Live” which was hyped

prior to its airing as a disclosure effort by those controlling the UFO secret. Most of the people involved

in the documentary didn’t like participating because the whole production was carefully scripted.

Everyone was forced to read from cue cards and the material on the cue cards was not what they had

written. No one knew who had written the material on the cue cards. In the small audience of less than

a dozen quietly sat the "Falcon" from the Defense Intelligence Agency. It was "Falcon" who had

contacted Bill Moore for almost a decade providing him the whole MJ-12 and Project Aquarius story.

Besides Falcon being in the audience, there were other indications that those in control might have

been behind the show. The executive producer of the show was Michael Seligman who was working for

Grey Advertising in New York. Grey had long faced the rumor in the UFO community that it was a

front for the CIA. This does not mean that Seligman knew but that the CIA might just have used Grey

without being visible in the whole process.

Such a story would seem like typical UFO conspiracy theory except that Grey Advertising had been

connected to another UFO documentary where there was influence from government officials. In 1974,

"UFOs Past, Present, and Future" was released. One of the producers of the show (Bob Emenegger) was

at the time a Vice-President for Grey advertising in Los Angeles. Emenegger stated that the

documentary had nothing to do with Grey. But it is possible higher ups arranged doing the documentary

without his knowledge. Emenegger did confirm at least 2 items that indicated a CIA connection to the

documentary. He did not know why but stated that there had been a CIA agent (Dick Betsy) present

during the entire production. The second thing that Bob brought up was about his partner in the project

Allen Sandler. Emenegger told British researcher Robbie Graham that Sandler “did things for the CIA

and maybe even the FBI… they all seemed to work together.”

Despite the bad reviews of UFO Cover–up Live by participants, in the succeeding years it has

become apparent that there were items shown in the documentary that appeared to be ideas that officials

may have wanted to get out that were carefully hidden within the documentary. These included"

• Alien graphics – there were 13 graphics that showed an alien, wire-frame views of the alien’s

hands and feet, the brain, and the structure of its internal organs. Later markinga were

discovered in the corners of the frames that indicated the drawing had come from FTD at

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Wright-Patterson AFB. Curt Brubaker, a producer, later admitted that is where he had in fact

obtained the drawings from Wright-Patterson.

• Live alien – the story of 3 live aliens since 1947 as guests of the United States was told. This is

part of what has become known in the UFO community as part of the core story. Many

researchers (Whitley Streiber, Linda Howe, Bill Moore, Jamie Shandera, Bob Emenegger)

were all offered interviews with a live alien around the time of the documentary. Linda Howe

was even offered an interview with a Captain who had actually lived with the alien in captivity.

• Crystal – the story of an alien crystal was told. The aliens could use it to show us our history and

in most stories told about the crystal the time of Jesus Christ was mentioned. Linda Howe was

told about the crystal. So was Paul Benniwitz and Moore. Jamie Shandera, Moore’s partner in

the MJ-12 investigation, hinted to Greg Bishop just before he disappeared from the UFO

community that he had been shown something that Moore speculated might be the crystal. Bill

Moore stated that Falcon had mentioned the crystal “numerous times.”

Bob Emenegger had an experience he thinks might have been connected to the crystal

story. He was asked by a Government official “If we had something where we could show

Christ giving the sermon on the mount, how would you present it to the public?”

•The MJ-12 - Navy connection – The documentary claimed that the Navy was the key group in the

UFO situation and that the headquarters for MJ-12 was the Naval Observatory in Washington

D.C. Lazar would later state that the Navy was in charge of the UFO back-engineering going

on at S-4. In the early 50s, Wilbert Smith who was in charge of the Canadian flying saucer

investigation told people working with him that his contacts to the subject in the United States

were from the Navy. In the last couple years, Ronald Pandolfi, a senior analyst in charge of the

UFO files at the CIA, would tell the story that all flag officers in Naval Intelligence are read

into the core UFO story.

• Following the show the producer was “visited by a local FBI agent (a story that has been

confirmed) apparently to discuss the show and its contents.”

• Most importantly, a flow chart was shown on the show that indicated how the UFO cover-up was

structured from the President on down. One chain in the command went P resident – MJ-12 –

DIA – Area 51. This was the first time Area-51 / UFOs connection was mentioned publicly. It

was a full 5 weeks before Lazar was hired at S-4 and 6½months before his first backlit

interview on KLAS-TV where he went public with his story. Those in control of the UFO

cover-up were leaking the UFO / Area-51 connection even before Bob Lazar got on the stage.

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[StealthSkater note: compare this with the older "Aviary" chart at doc pdf URL . Many hold that

there are 2 governments in most countries. The ones who are officially elected and the other

hidden one that actually is in control.]

Putting the Pieces Together

Consider the following possible scenario.

The whole story centers not on Bob Lazar but rather on John Lear. Lazar is only a pawn in the

game.

John Lear had become interested in UFOs and

overnight became a prominent UFO figure just months

before Lazar came on the scene. His family name alone

made him a person whose word carried some weight.

He had exposed the existence of Area-51, the Stealth

fighter, and was attracting a lot of attention in Las

Vegas and in the UFO community with lectures

(including one to the Las Vegas chapter of the

Association of Former Intelligence Officers) and papers

on the UFO cover-up. People were listening to him and he was attracting big audiences.

Although Lear was popular, many in the UFO community at the time had doubts about some stories

and conclusions that he was putting out. Lear knew this making a joke at one point that any question

asked of Lazar that started with “John Lear says” would be answered with “John Lear is a nutball.” The

questions about some of what Lear was saying by researchers would make him a perfect candidate for

putting out a story that would get wide distribution but that would not be taken seriously.

The targeting of Lear mirrored the targeting of earlier researchers and film producers who were used

to get information out but keep everyone sitting on the fence when it came to the UFO reality.

In the mid-50s,Walt Disney was contacted by the military to produce a UFO documentary to help

acclimatize the population about the UFO reality. He was promised actual UFO footage for the

documentary. As he was finishing up on the documentary, he was notified that the film would not be

available. He finished the project and released it without the film.

In 1974 Bob Emenegger and Allan Sandler signed a contract with the

Pentagon to produce another UFO documentary. They received

cooperation from all the military and intelligence officials they contacted.

As part of the deal, they were promised (and actually had in their

possession) film of an actual landing of aliens at Holloman AFB.

At the last moment (like Disney before them), the film was pulled at

the last moment and was delivered back to the Pentagon from Los

Angeles where the documentary was being produced. They were,

however, allowed to put 8 seconds of the video for the documentary not

involving the landed craft or aliens.

Despite not having the whole film, the idea that aliens had interacted with the Military did get out as

Emenegger and Sandler told the story of the landing, described as “as an event that might have

happened” using animation.

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Two of the researchers who were targeted to get out information were Linda Howe and Bill Moore.

Linda Howe had gained UFO community and media prominence with her cattle mutilation documentary

called "A Strange Harvest". As she was preparing for a new HBO project on UFOs, she was approached

by AFOSI agent Richard Doty who told her she had upset people in Washington with her cattle

mutilation documentary. He showed her a purported Top Secret UFO briefing for the President and

offered her actual film for the HBO project from the alien landing at Holloman AFB. Howe would later

share what she had read in the briefing with the UFO community but was never able to verify any of the

information in the document.

The idea that there were numerous high-level UFO projects got out and a second message was

delivered that there had been an alien landing at Holloman was repeated. Linda suffered little damage

except for losing the HBO documentary caused by Doty’s failure to provide the film.

The next researcher target after Howe was Bill

Moore who had become a target following the release

of his co-authored book The Roswell Incident. The

book was a heavily documented account of the 1947

Roswell UFO crash. It sold over a million copies and

propelled him to the top of a list of respected UFO

investigators.

Only 9 days after the book’s release, he was

contacted twice by a DIA agent code-named "Falcon"

with the message that he was the only one who knew

what he was talking about and “he represented a group

of highly placed people who were unhappy with the secrecy surrounding the UFO subject and wanted

someone they could trust in order to release the information to the public but “without breaking the

Law.”

Moore was fed a series of documents including the now infamous MJ-12 documents. He spent a

number of years studying them and was not sure about them. He, however, was forced to release then in

1987 when Falcon informed him that they were about to be released in Britain. Moore released the

documents which was the beginning of the end of his UFO career. He was unable publicly verify the

documents and faced numerous accusations that he had hoaxed the documents. After telling the story of

his interactions with Falcon, he withdrew from the field a few years later.

Moore was neutralized. But the concept of MJ-12 would get out. In the succeeding years a dozen

other witnesses would independently confirm the existence of MJ-12 (the Majestic group). One such

confirmation was provided by John Lear’s mother who phoned her friend General Jimmy Doolittle on

John’s behalf. Asked by Mrs. Lear if Majestic had existed, Doolittle replied: “Yes, Moya, it did. But

that’s all I can say.”

CIA’s Pandolfi told researcher Dan Smith that because the Government can’t track the UFO

phenomena, they track the people who study it. It also appears that the Government may not be able to

control the UFO phenomena but they can control the researchers and film producers.

As with Howe and Moore, the idea was that Lear would be used to carry another key piece of the

UFO story that they wanted out. The story of alien hardware and at least one alien at Area-51. Why

they would want it out is somewhat speculative. But the concept of controlled releases has been

discussed openly by Dr. Kit Green. As a former member of the CIA, Green had as part of his job for 6

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years control of the “weird desk” which handled the

phenomenology files including UFOs. Speaking with

author Mark Pilkington, Green described gradual UFO

disclosure.

"If something really strange in the area of UFOs is

true, then what do we do about conveying that

information to the public? First we must consider what

may be the basic facts (describes the core story which is

distilled core of the information known about the subject

that in 1986 that he Hal Puthoff, and Jacques Vallee had

agreed on – “The ETs came here, maybe once, maybe a few times. Either through accident of by

design, the U.S. Government acquired one of their craft. The only problem is that the physics that

powered the craft were so advanced that for decades we humans have struggled to understand it or to

duplicate it.”)… If you were to give them the core story right off the bat, they’d get sick. So you do it

slowly over 10 or 20 years. You put out a bunch of movies, a bunch of books, a bunch of stories, a

bunch of Internet memes about reptilian aliens eating our children, about the crazy stuff we’ve see

recently in Serpo. Then one day you say “Hey, all that stuff is nonsense. Relax. It’s not that bad. You

don’t have to worry. The reality is this ...” and then you give them the real story.

"Now that is a tried and tested desensitization model. And to the extent that there is a core story that

is true and to the extent that the people who want to get the core story out want to do it in a way that will

not hurt the people, that’s what they would do. They come up with a bunch of nonsense and then they

get rid of it, gradually making the public more comfortable to that when they are finally presented with

the truth, it’s not as frightening as they originally feared. “I can believe that,” they’ll say. “I didn’t

believe the crazy reptile stuff and I didn’t belief that they were abducting babies from wombs on beams

of light. But I can believe the part about the spaceship and the back-engineered technology.”

Lazar would carry the story of back-engineering alien technology. A true piece of the story would

be mixed in with piles of material he would read in “briefings” presented to him on the first couple days

at S-4 such as the aliens creating man through a series of genetic manipulations; the account of a battle

with the aliens underground at Area-51; Government projects on control of time and space; and deals

with the Russians. [StealthSkater note: it was actually that aliens made 64 genetic manipulations to

human DNA over 10,000 years. See the Lazar page => doc pdf URL . The underground Dulce

conflict was popularized by Phil Schneider.]

As had happened with Bill Moore and the MJ-12 documents, researchers would reject the alien

Area-51 story it as just another UFO hoax,once everyone learned about Lazar questionable background

and the inconsistencies in the story.

Like Moore whose career was ruined by his MJ-12 announcement, Lear would hopefully be silenced

or at least totally discredited. Bill Moore had introduced the existence of MJ-12 to the public and was

silenced as a credible researcher. Lear would do the same for the Area-51 disclosure. The concept that

there were crashed saucers at Area-51 would become installed in the public consciousness and the

necessary cover-up would be maintained.

At least that was the plan.

This gradual disclosure scenario begins to explain many of the inconsistencies that have always been

a problem in the Bob Lazar story.

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Consider for example the fact that Bob Lazar fit none of the qualifications that would be needed for

the job on the base. Even he himself admitted this saying it had “perplexed him” why he was hired at S-

4. He confirmed in many interviews that there were many people available who would have been better

qualified. His only real expertise was in jet engines as he had built one in a Honda he owned and talked

about it with Dr. Teller who was his main reference on his resume.

Lazar asks to work at Groom Lake where there are probably thousands of jobs dealing with jet

engines where he might have some ideas to contribute. Yet he is not hired for jet engine related job but

for one of 22 jobs at the base working on flying saucer back-engineering. [StealthSkater note: in his

interviews and videos, Lazar said specifically that he was hired to take the place of a scientist who

was killed when they tried to open up a running saucer reactor to see how it worked. Lazar later

said that his only major contribution to the project was discovering that it was Element-115 what

was the magic substance.]

So why was he hired at S-4?

The answer lies in his three interviews for the job. All three according to Lazar were mostly

technical. The only oddball question was the first question in the second interview: tell us about your

relationship with John Lear and what do you think of him?

That’s how we know for sure that Lear was the target. That’s why Lazar was hired in the flying

saucer program at S-4 instead of the jet engine program at Area-51. Those behind the plan wanted him

there because of his association with Lear. Otherwise it makes no sense to place a friend of Lear’s in the

Top-Secret UFO program if the plan is to keep it secret.

There are two possibilities of how authorities knew the Lear connection.

1. The first possible reason was that Lazar was actually working for the Government and was part of the

setup. It is not known if Lazar was asked directly by Knapp if he was working in cooperation to get

the story out. But there are a couple other facts which indicate this was a possibility.

The first indicator was that Lazar stated that part of his job was to spy on John Lear and tell

security people at S-4 about him. In one interview with Knapp, Lazar’s friend Gene Huff explained:

“The security guys had found out that Bob knew John Lear and they wanted Bob to interact with

John Lear to see if John really knew anything about the actuality of what was going on there. John

was listening to Bob and Bob was listening to John reporting to the security guys what John said…

He was spying on John.”

The second indicator that Lazar may have been playing for both teams came only days after he

was hired. He showed up at John Lear’s house to tell him everything he knew about the flying

saucer program. (It took him only hours to violate his security clearance and start passing

information to Lear.) During this first meeting at Lear’s house, Lazar made a statement that

indicated he might be under instructions to go and tell Lear what he knew. In recalling the incident,

Lear stated he never could figure out why Lazar had made the statement.

Lazar told Lear that he had seen a saucer at S-4 and it was one of theirs. Knowing that Lazar

was probably being watched, Lear told him to leave, work a couple months, and then come and tell

him. Lazar said, No, he wanted to tell him now because Lear had been ridiculed in the past and was

actually right.

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Lear started asking questions. At that point Lazar cut him off and made the statement that

indicated he might be on a mission for the authorities. “I can only answer questions,” said Lazar. “I

can’t volunteer information.” The obvious question arises. In what Top Secret program is someone

allowed to answer questions about their classified work? More importantly, who told Lazar that he

could answer Lear’s UFO questions about a program 38 levels above Top-Secret.

Lear was asked about the possibility that Lazar was actually working as part of a Government

plan. He stated: “Certainly plausible. I don’t believe it. But he could have been.”

When asked the same question, Huff indicated that he and Lazar had actually talked about it.

Huff stated that Lazar didn’t deny that he was a guy that wouldn’t do that if they asked him. Lazar

told him: “Had they asked me to do that, I probably would have participated.” Huff added that he

didn’t think Lazar could have pulled it off.

“He is the worst guy in the world,” Huff told Knapp. “He treats most subjects with such distain.

He wouldn’t waste his time. He would be the worst guy in the world to make out a lie. To try and

perpetuate a lie. He’s too busy doing other things. He would be the worst kind of guy to involve in

such an endeavor.”

2. The second possible reason authorities might have known about the Lazar Lear friendship is that

Lazar had been asking UFO-related questions at Los Alamos on Lear’s behalf. That would have

triggered a security alarm and the authorities would have been monitoring him. His association with

Lear and his newfound interest in UFOs made him the perfect candidate for working at S-4. They

could show him what they wanted and they would be assured that he would carry the information

back to Lear.

In 1987 Lear had written a paper for other researchers about crashed saucers and about things

such as the aliens killing many scientists and Special Forces at an underground base at Dulce. Lazar

brought back stories about crashed saucers and also about the alien killing of scientists and Special

Forces. In the briefing he had seen, however, the incident had occurred at Area-51 and not Dulce.

Lear would be interested in this underground battle story as he had written about it. In the same

was Moore was interested in Roswell and therefore was fed the MJ-12 document which included

details on the Roswell crash written up exactly as Moore had outlined the event in his 1980 Roswell

book.

[StealthSkater note: A few things have always bothered me about the Lazar story. I believe that

he is a good technician and quite handy with welding and other such tools. 99% of the time in

his videos, he comes across as very serious and down-to-earth. But he slipped up once for

about 2 seconds. After stating something that was very serious, he could not repress a slight

grin on his face. That always bothered me. Almost as if he were acting reading a script.

Then the interview with Dr. Teller on his video. Teller gets defensive when asked about

Lazar. No accredited scientist would be baited like that to appear on some underground video.

Lazar shows an alleged Russian spy satellite photo of Area-51. Where can one get such a

thing? I'm sure it's not something the Russians would hand out.

One of the theories on Roswell was that the story was staged to try to lure Soviet spies out

from around the only military base in the World that was housing atomic bombs at that time

(1947). I wonder if the same were true here. That the Government was trying to smoke spies

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out with stories of a quantum leap in technologies. Or else use that story to throw them off the

trail of something that was really happening.]

Viewing the Lazar encounter at S-4 as a possible event that was planned from the beginning

explains, many of the inconsistencies that have always been part of the story.

Inconsistency Explanation

Lazar does not have educational background he

claims.

He doesn’t have it or the Government is able to

make it disappear. Either way, the authorities are

content because it will discredit Lazar when the

story breaks. Makes him the best man for the job.

Lazar was not qualified to work at the site, nor for

a security clearance. He had a background of

owning a brothel, marrying a second wife while

still married, and bankruptcy. [StealthSkater note:

he did not own a brothel; he helped computerize

one's operation.]

He didn’t have to be qualified as they never

intended him to work there. He was only brought

in to see what was going on. The lack of

qualifications was a plus because it would work

against Lazar when his telling of the story started

to fall apart.

Being exposed to various Top-Secret briefings in

the first couple days without a security clearance. [StealthSkater note: actually, Lazar made it clear

that these were just ink on paper. He didn't know if

they were true or not. But he said that he did see a

working craft with his own eyes.]

The plan was to feed him information so he could

carry it back to Lear and the public. Doesn’t

require a security clearance. The briefing papers

provide a way to get out the ideas they want out in

the public.

Lazar takes Lear, Huff, wife, sister-in-law, and

others to watch the UFO test. After being caught,

he is not fired but called back to work.

They wanted him to show Lear the test. That’s

why despite not being called to work for a long

time, he is told when the tests are run. He is not

arrested as it makes for a trial that the whole world

will see. He is called back as they are not finished

feeding him information. He had not yet gone to

Knapp so they didn’t yet know the story would go

viral. Once it went viral, they threatened witnesses

going to Knapp to control the damage and avoid

Lazar getting confirmation for his story.

He receives a W-2 form with Department of Naval

Intelligence instead of Office of Naval

Intelligence.

Official know that when he goes public with it, it

will help discredit him. People will accuse him of

hoaxing it because of the mistake on the form.

Knapp tries to track money paid to Lazar through

IRS without success.

Tells of working with Barry who was on his team

at S-4. Lazar only worked a couple days (at S-4)

in the 4 months he was involved. What did Barry

do at work without a partner?

Lazar was not there to work. Barry’s role was not

a partner but to guild Lazar through the things they

needed him to see. Lazar never did the same thing

on any two days that he was there.

Lazar worked only a couple days in 4 months. In the first couple of visits, he is given documents

with lots of UFO background. Then shown a

saucer, then 9 saucers, then a small test flight, then

the glimpse at an alien, then the inside of part of

one saucer. Then after a long period of not being

called in, Lazar goes up to view the saucer test. [StealthSkater note: I was under the impression that

he worked on the project remotely and then visited

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S-4 for only a few days during the 6 months he was

associated with Project Galileo.]

Many physicists and researchers working on the

UFO propulsion question Lazar’s explanation of

how the saucer worked.

This is what he was told. A key witness of

Knapp’s said they were not very successful at

understanding what they had. Therefore the

explanation of the propulsion given to Lazar may

have been totally made up.

Cover Story Option

Often when the Bob Lazar flying saucer story is brought up, there are a substantial number of

researchers who believe that the story was set up by the USAF as a cover story for the many earthly

advanced aircraft that supposedly were being developed at Area-51. A cover story is a fictional version

of a story that is put out to cover an organizations real actions or intentions.

A prime example of the idea that the Lazar story was a cover story

was presented by Norio Hayakawa who met with Bob Lazar in

February 1990 almost a year after Lazar went public with his claim

about flying saucers at S-4. After the interview, Lazar gave Hayakawa

instructions about when and where he could go to watch the UFO tests

for himself.

After driving to the spot Lazar had told him to go, Hayakawa

described that he and others with him “observed a bright orangish light

appearing over the Groom Mountains and (it) made some interesting

maneuvers. I was quite impressed at that time. Around 7:15 p.m.,

another light came up.”

Hayakawa stated the object zigzagged and was exhibited extraordinary maneuverability. Later

analysis of the picture showed a “domed structure – a disc.” Hayakawa stated that he was very excited

and the incident began an interest in Area-51 that continues to this day.

Later, however, Hayakawa came to believe that the objects he had seen were not alien crafts but

“our aircraft (such as prototypes of newer black triangular craft) (or posibly, the initial phases of test-

flights of UAVs or ‘unmanned aerial vehicles’ or even ‘unmanned combat aerial vehicles’ (UCAVs) or

other remotely-controlled platforms.” The Lazar stories he believed may only have been a cover story.

A key example of a confirmed cover story is the one that was used just after the first nuclear test at

the Trinity site in July 1945. Because the explosion could be seen as far away as Texas, the military put

out a cover story that there had been an ammunition magazine explosion at the Alamogordo Field. The

public bought the story. They went back to their daily life and forgot about what they had seen. That is

how a "cover story" is supposed to work.

If Bob Lazar’s Area-51 story was a cover story, it did not work so well. In fact, it could easily go

down as the worst cover story ever employed. If one googles the Pyramids of Giza, you will come up

with 1,370,000 hits. If you Google the Great Wall of China, you will come up with 18,000,000 hits. If

you Google Area-51 you will come up with 91,000,000. Area-51 has become one of the most famous

places in the world. That’s the first thing that goes against the Area-51 story from being a cover story.

Nobody forgot and nobody went back to their daily lives.

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The second thing that goes against the cover story explanation is the unlikely possibility that what

Lazar and his group saw in March 1989 or what Hayakawa and his group saw in February 1990 were

good old American technology. Hayakawa came to the conclusion that they were our aircraft such as

black triangles, UAVs, or other remote control vehicles.

However, the question must be asked in 2011. Did the USA have black triangles or UAVs 21 years

ago that could duplicate the flight characteristics of a flying saucer? The argument that they did would

be a tough sell. [StealthSkater note: for more on "Black Triangles", go to doc pdf URL ]

In addition to the lack of evidence that the USA had this very advanced technology back in 1990, the

question arises as to whether there were even any advanced triangles and UAVs at Area-51 in 1990.

Knapp came up with over 2 dozen witnesses that pointed to flying saucers being there. How many

witnesses are there to prove that such things as advanced black triangles were being tested in 1990?

Perhaps the rumored stories of StarTrek-like advanced aircraft such as black triangles and UAVs were

just cover stories to cover for the flying saucers being tested at S-4. There seems to be more witnesses

for the saucers at Area-51.

A prime example showing that it is more likely that officials are using advanced aircraft to explain

their inability to explain UFOs than Top-Secret planes being misidentified as UFOs can be seen in a

UFO study put out by the CIA in 1997.

The UFO study of CIA files was ordered by James Woolsey, Bill Clinton’s first CIA Director.

Woolsey had a UFO sighting and therefore had a personal interest. There may also have been pressure

from Clinton for the study as he was looking into UFOs.

The final report was written by NRO historian Gerald

Haines who came up with the conclusion that a lot of

UFOs were actually the U-2 and SR-71. “According to

later estimates from CIA officials who worked on the U-2

project and the OXCART (SR-71 or Blackbird) project,”

wrote Haines, “over half of all UFO reports from the late

1950s through the 1960s were accounted for by manned

reconnaissance flights (namely the U-2) over the United

States.”

By Haines own figures, commercial planes at this

time were flying 10,000 to 20,000 feet and the U-2 was at

60,000. The pilots according to Haines would see the

object high up and assume it to be a UFO. This would mean a difference of 40,000 to 50,000 feet

between the plane and the U-2. (The U-2 would later fly at 70,000 and the SR-71 at 80,000 so the

numbers used above by Haines are the most conservative numbers possible.)

Most people have seen commercial airlines fly overhead. They now fly at 35,000 to 40,000. Most

people would agree that the human eye would not be able to see the airliner unless there was a contrail

that gives it away. Even then, the object at the head of the contrail is no more than a speck in the sky.

In the CIA argument, the minimum number of feet between the commercial plane and the U-2 or SR-71

would be 40,000. The maximum would be 70,000 feet for an SR-71 at 80,000.

Given this information, what are the chances 50% of all UFO sightings were from pilots seeing

objects at least 40,000 feet above their altitude or from ground witnesses where the spy plane is 60,000

to 80,000 feet above the ground? The chances are zero and none. The CIA knew that scientists, the

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media, and conservative UFO researchers were so desperate for a natural explanation for UFOs that they

would fall for the CIA conclusion that their spy planes were causing half of all UFO sightings.

Given the facts presented in the 1997 CIA study, the rational conclusion of the facts is that the CIA

was trying to explain away unexplained UFOs sighting in their files and their role in the UFO mystery.

They did this by using spy planes as a cover for UFOs, not the other way around. The CIA study also

backs up the idea that cover stories are used after the fact to cover something that has become a public

problem. If a cover is used before it tends to jeopardize the secrecy of a program.

The biggest drawback to the Lazar story being a cover story comes when we put the story in its

proper historical perspective. Today, Area-51 is a household word where almost everyone in the World

knows what it is. However, prior to May 1989 when Lazar was first shown in a KLAS-TV interview,

99.99999% of the World had no idea what Area-51 was. It was in the pre-Internet days where only a

couple people in Las Vegas would have seen a story on it.

Here is the historic situation prior to the May 1989 Lazar interview. No one in the public except

John Lear and a couple hikers even knew there was even a base there. There were mountains hiding the

base and it was in the middle of an inhospitable desert where few people dared to travel. From 1955 till

1989, officials had been able to test various Top-Secret planes in complete secrecy. In 1985 they

grabbed 49,000 more acres of land to keep out hikers and installed heavy security around the base

complete with cameras, ground motion detectors, and signs with threat to kill messages to anyone who

chose to get closer. It doesn’t get much more quiet, secure, and secret than that.

Like all other Top Secret military facilities in the United States and around the World, those at Area-

51 quietly went about their Top Secret work for the national security of the Country.

The cover story explanation expects the researcher to believe that one day in late 1988, the officials

running the base decided to all take off their clothes, run onto the Las Vegas strip with their hair on fire,

waving their hands, and yelling “Area-51! Area-51! Area-51!”

Why would anyone call attention to the base when it was totally unknown to the public and

completely secure? Why is this (and possibly Kirkland AFB with the Paul Bennewitz story) the only

places where officials decided to put all their secrecy and security at stake by calling attention to what

was going on at the base? Was all this to deceive a small number of researchers with no public

influence? The basis of all military secrecy is to keep quiet and out of the mind of the enemy. Yelling

Area-51 while running around naked with your hair on fire tends to go against that basic rule.

One idea that was put forward to back the cover story idea is that the flying saucer story at Area 51

is one that would attract Russian spies who would get caught outside the base. Would officials really

draw attention to everything going on at this massive Top Secret base to catch a spy?

Strangely, the “Russians spy” story had actually been presented by base security to Lazar to get him

to feel patriotic and aware of the ever present enemy. In a story much more creatively written than the

one that was hinted to Bill Moore about Kirkland AFB, Lazar was told that the Russians had actually

been partners at S-4 working to back-engineer the saucers. There had been a breakthrough by the

American side at which point they threw the Russians off the base. Now they roamed the streets of Las

Vegas trying to bribe S-4 workers for information. When an S-4 worker did not show up for a couple

days, Lazar was told they feared the Russians had him. Lazar’s security boss Dennis Mariani took Lazar

down to the local police detachment and had him registered to carry a gun.

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There were Russians and saucers both at Kirkland, Dulce, and Area-51. There was a chance of a

Russian spy being gunned down in downtown Las Vegas. The only thing missing was the weapons of

mass destruction. It was just like a James Bond movie. What would the military mind do without an

enemy? In 1989 the Russians were the flavor of the year.

How would the Russians spies get back on the base? Would they phone up Knapp or Lazar and get

instructions? How would base security know who the spies were among the hundreds of people who

showed up outside the base every night after the story broke?

Another problem would be that the perimeter base security had no authority to arrest anyone and the

Russians would be watching from public land. Would the Russians risk an agent when all they would

have to do is reprogram their satellite to photograph the base? Would the Groom Lake officials run a

cover story when they knew that it would simply cause the Russians to reprogram their satellites?

The Russian reaction (according to Knapp who was in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union) was

that they did use their satellites to take a look. They changed their satellite to check the base everyday

instead of once or twice a month. In one meeting, Knapp had a General handed him a photo of S-4 that

was taken in 1988. Would the Area-51 officials employ an unneeded cover story knowing that they

would expose everything happening at Area-51 to increased scrutiny from enemies of the United States?

The logical course of action would be to do what all Top Secret bases do. Not attract attention to the

fact you are there and only use a cover story to cover things that get exposed. An example of the risk of

not just shutting up comes from an incident where President Jimmy Carter leaked to the Press the fact

that the USA had Stealth technology. It caused anger at Skunkworks because how they knew the

Russian satellites would be trained on the production facilities watching who came and went and what

went in and out of the buildings.

In a similar way, Carter outed the remote-viewing program when he publicly told a story of a

“psychic” who had located a downed plane (a Russian TU-22 supersonic bomber being used as a spy

plane) in Africa that American intelligence officials were unable to find after an extensive search. Dr.

Russell Targ (one of the directors of the program) wrote that the unwanted commendation exposed the

Top-Secret program and the only thing they could do to minimize the damage was change the code-

name for the program. [StealthSkater note: actually the Russians have long led the World in

remote-viewing. The other nations have only been trying to catch up.]

Secrecy is the rule. The cover story explanation is shaky at best.

The Lazar story (if true) seems to present one of 3 options. Officials brought Lazar in to work on the

flying saucers not knowing that he would spill the beans. Or it was a story they wanted out bad enough

that they were willing to have every spy agency in the world to now pay close attention to what was

going on at Area-51. The third most probable explanation is that they wanted the saucer story out but

they misread what would happen. They thought the media would run its usual 3-day coverage and the

flying saucer story would get into the UFO world. Lastly, the public and the spies would lose interest

after all the inconsistencies in Lazar’s story became public.

What they didn’t count on was George Knapp.

Lear was the planned target. He would widely publicize the story the plan was that it would not get

any serious attention. Lear, however, simply handed the story off to Knapp who carried out a 6-month

investigation. During this investigation he would uncover enough witnesses validating the Lazar claim

to justify staying with the story. Reporters usually can’t do this because they have to get to the next

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story. News is a business and new stories are the life blood of what sells. Knapp did something that

was totally unexpected. Instead of a short segment ridiculing the UFO story as all other reporters had

done, he ran the Lazar claims to ground and went public with what he had discovered.

This tenacity by Knapp along with a public interest in UFOs caused the story to go viral. Or as

Knapp described it: “like a tsunami travelling around the world.” This is what officials had not

expected.

Every major news outlet in the World took time to travel to Area-51 or at least to do a story. The

story continued to grow. All the Area-51 officials could do is continue to deny the base’s existence, use

Presidential decrees to keep themselves out of jail, and take over another 5,900 acres to stop the

busloads of people who were now up in the hills (called by Newsweek the Groom Lake bleachers) from

looking down every night at the base and hoping to see a flying saucer.

The base took a call from John Podesta (the President’s Chief of Staff) asking if they had saucers at

the base. President Clinton said so many people in his administration believed there was a saucer and an

alien at Area-51 that he sent someone to the base to check it out. There was a Congressional

representative who did an investigation on the rumors. He indicated to Knapp the cover-up at the base

was going on because those in charge were afraid they would end up in jail if exposed.

All of this for a cover story when the base was secure, quiet, and unknown before Lazar? It doesn’t

seem highly likely looking back.

Once the media storm had quieted down and once Area-51 officials were able to close down all the

places where people could watch the base activities, the officials did exactly what they should have done

before they brought Lazar on the base. They secured the base, said nothing, and went about their

business. It is exactly what every other Top Secret military base does and why using a “we’ve got a

flying saucer” cover story doesn’t make much sense.

The theory that the Lazar/S-4 story not created as a cover story does not negate the fact that

American intelligence would have watched the Russian (Soviet Union) reaction to the Lazar/S-4 story

and would have exploited it after the fact if they could. American intelligence would be watching

Russian reaction to all things being done in America, the release of the final Blue Book study, or the

release of the Federal Budget, or the appointment of a foreign ambassador. The study of these various

Russian reactions and the secret government behind the reactions became known as Kremlinology.

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