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Mark Brantleygabreilla8765 Oct 3, 2003 3:23 pmThe Guyaneese Question

The issue of citizens of Guyana being in our midst in Nevis has attracted a lot of attention. Indeed, more properly put, the issue of those Guyanese of Indian descent, has attracted a lot of attention. It seems unfortunately that there is a view emerging in Nevis that these people ought not to be allowed to live and participate in the socio cultural economic and political life of their new home, Nevis. This view has gained currency as it is constantly suggested by the NRP that the Guyanese somehow support CCM and help that Party to so convincingly beat the NRP at every election since 1992. In New York recently, the Honourable Joseph Parry, Leader of the NRP and someone who claims to be a regionalist in his outlook, stated that Guyanese were "breeding" faster than Nevisians and reminded Nevisians assembled in New York that Idi Amin chased the Indians out of Uganda for a reason. It is unfortunate in my view when our leaders look to the worst examples of leadership that the World has seen for guidance. I will not join with anyone to lambaste Guyanese. Most Nevisians on this List are probably Nevisians living in foreign lands. My own father lived abroad for nearly 4 decades and his monthly remittances kept me and my 3 sisters fed and clothed. He was a black man living first in the white country of England and then later in the equally white country of America. Thank God they did not kick him out or try to exclude him from earning a living. In England he would have registered to vote after living there for the prescribed period. Thank God that the Englishman did not see it fit to castigate him for how he voted. In America, he was able to register to vote and both Democrat and Republican campaigned for his support. None sought to exclude him because he was from Nevis. When he had spent 40 winters in foreign lands, he acquired monies to invest in his homeland. He bought land. He built a home. Indeed, so well had those foreign lands blessed him that he was able to become a founding member of the Bank of Nevis, an institution that now gives many, including Mr. Parry, succour.

Why then do we castigate Guyanese so? I do not mean to personalize this debate too much but it might be important to state that I am not sure that any of Mr. Parry's children currently live in Nevis. I am certain that Hensley Daniel only has one sibling still living in Nevis. All are in foreign lands. How then should those foreign lands react to a call for Nevis to emulate Idi Amin? How would we like for our people to be castigated as "breeding" faster than the locals in those lands? The Guyanese are merely doing in Nevis what Nevisians and Caribbean peoples have done for decades. They are seeking a better life for themselves and for their families back home. Nothing is wrong with that. While doing so, they provide a much needed labour force, they provide much needed consumption, they spend money to travel home on holidays, they pay work permit fees to Government or have such fees paid on their behalf, they pay social security, they teach Nevisians about their culture and get the chance to learn about ours. If Nevis is to become a modern society, we must at all cost cease and desist from pandering to the worst and basest emotions in us but rather seek to lift us up by the level of our debate and the collective application of our intellect. Let us not preach regionalism when we attend nice cocktail parties or speak to the BBC but preach hatred and racism when we address locals at home or in small gatherings abroad. Let us be fair to the Guyanese as to all immigrants coming to our shores remembering that we too were and in many respects still are a migrant people. Regards Mark

Sat Oct 4, 2003 3:26 am"doantodo" <doantodo@...>doantodoRe: The Guyaneese Question

Mark,

It is rather ironic that, I will be replying to you, concerningthe "Guyaneese Question". Just this evening, I was speaking with twoco workers from Barbados and a Guyana. We were just joking aroundpassing time. Infact, I was listening as they, pull jokes on eachother. But I felt quite a shock, when the Barbados chap told theGuyaneese chap, that there are about one hundred thousand Guyaneeseliving in Barbados and the Guyaneese reply was, that eventually wegoing to take it over. I continued to smile along as theconversation took several turns. But in my hart, I was thinkingabout Nevis, knowing the racial situation in Guyana and Trinidad. Iwould not want the island of Nevis to find itself in the samesituation like Guyana and Trinidad where the population are just

about even, and especially with Guyaneese Indians. They are the worstto have around, they are not nice people. Even at work, they willwarn you to be careful of this one or that one. Many of them stillcarry their racial hatred of blacks, but they will treat you somewhatdifferently if you are not a Guyaneese black. When you want to findthiefing, dangerous, crooked low minded people, that's most of theGuyaneese I know. I do not against regionalism. I do believe inCaribbean integration and freedom of movement of our peoples. I alsodo believe that there must be some form of mechanism to be put inplaceto protect our small populations in the smaller islands. We do notwant to be over-run and like my Guyaneese coworker say's "take overyoucountry". You have made alot of good points, but you also need tolook at the issue from a much wider perspective and examined the prosand the cons. To my view, you are only looking at the pros. So Iwould say, that Parry's concern is a legitimate one. If Nevis shouldeventually secede from St.Kitts, it could become a mager concerneddown the road, if not properly managed. I will conclude that freedomof movement is a good thing, and we should welcome our fellowcaribbean nationals. There must be though, some measure of controland checks and balances, to protect the smaller islands from beenover-run.

doantodo.

Sat Oct 4, 2003 1:14 pm"greg1120907" <greg1@...>greg1120907Re: The Guyaneese Question

Pregnant with meaning, Sir. And very well stated. People every-where have always moved around in search of better alternativeopportunities. Indeed, the People of Nevis and St.Kitts have shownas great a propensity for moving around as any other.

The Colonel harboured visions of creating the perfect agrarian statein St.Kitts and Nevis. The people were not impressed. And, theyfled, hitching a ride on anything that would float.

More than 5,000 took to the high seas. His mantra:

"... We have fertile lands, ..... there is a friendly sea around us.Fellow citizens let us take ourselves in hand and together build...."

Despite this natural impulse for persons to seek to migrate toimprove their lot; we are constrained by our geographic size. And,

therefore it is incumbent that we pay special attention to thequality of our labor force. We have invested heavily and have given alot of attention to enhancing the quality of our labor force in Nevisand St.Kitts.

We must therefore be even more careful and deliberate with respect tothe quality of our immigrant labor force, and very purposeful in thecareful matching of our needs with the army of the reserve unemployedwho is standing outside of the gates.

Wed Oct 8, 2003 11:47 amMorrice Tyrell <mutyrell@.

Re: Re: The Guyaneese Question

Gentlemen,There are pros and cons on both sides of this issue. However, it apprears thatboth of you have taken some rather extreme positions. For most of my adultlife, I have lived in foreign countries - four to be exact - spread over bothCaribbean and North American nations. I therefore believe I possess thenecessary background to objectively address this "thorny" issue.

Folks, migration is a fact of modern life. Some have even dubbed it a necessaryevil. As countries develop, international trade in goods and services, thetransfer of capital - both financial and human - are an integral part of thatdevelopment. One of the very serious problems that I see emerging in St. Kittsand Nevis, and in Nevis in particular, stems from the fact that ourconstitutional arrangement does not allow local governemnt to set immigrationand or labour policy. This issue therefore must be coordinated at the federallevel with sigunufucant input from the Nevis Island Administration (NIA).Therefore the sooner our politicains could swollow their pride and sit down toaddress this central problem, the sooner we could more effectively establishsome control over this expolding problem.

I sense a little (or maybe more) political ferver coming out of Mark's position,while his central theme does have some merit. I agree that if in fact thestatements attributed to Mr. Parry were actually uttered in that manner, theyshould be tempered, and the NRP should attempt to court the votes of thoseforeigners how have qualified to vote in Nevis. The last thing we want tohappen, is to have foreigners dividing us politically and eventually controllingus. We need to get a firm handle on this potential problen NOW.

Wed Oct 8, 2003 1:41 pmkuba assegai <kessegai@...>kessegai

Re: Re: The Guyaneese Question

Hotep Morrice

I am almost befuddled when I read or listen tocitizens of the Federation trying to make comparisonbetween other Nations and St.Kitts/Nevis. Thesecomparisons are usually done from a very superficialand myopic perspective. Take your 'objective' stanceon the 'Guyanese and Dominican Republican Question' onthe 'Secession' Vote. One couldn't imagine that anyNation State would permit any mass immigration todecide the fate of their Nation. I was brought up inEngland and during the Rt.Hon, Enoch Powell's "Riverof Blood" speech I was serving with the Royal AirForce. Suffice to say, one could not labour thethought that whether in Canada where,NIA SenatorNolan, defended the 'Anglophile' bias legislativesystem against the Franco-Phones, or in England whereI defended -for a period in my life- the anti-Blackand anti-Irish Westminster System, they would alloweither of us to determine the make up of their system.Yet NIA Senator Nolan gladly defends the Canadianracist and culturally chauvinistic system with littlequalms, but decided to add his shoulders to thesecessionist 'bull cart' to roll our Federation intothe sea of destruction.Secondly, I see not contradiction concerning the factthat the Federal Government having total control overthe Immigration and Labour portfolios. A case in pointwas what happened following the United States CivilWar. The Federal Government of the United States tookon the responsibility of Immigration and citizenshipalong with Labour. This seem to have worked extremelywell in the United States in defense of theirsovereignty and I don't see it as a problem in ourFederation. The issue at stake here is how the'foreign worker' are used by the current NIA toundermine Federal authority and electoral abuses.Therefore to apply, what you termed as an 'Objective'scale, between Mark Brantley's nonsense and Mr.Cozier's well thought out analysis borders on bathos.

Hotep

Wed Oct 8, 2003 3:39 pm

joseph hughes <amori101@...>amori101

Re: Re: The Guyaneese Question

I think this is an interesting debate. It reminds me of a conversation that I have with a friend from Guyana. She said that other Caribbean islands are treating Guyanese immigrant so bad and while seeming to forget that Guyana with it vast land etc was very generous in taking in Caribbean immigrants in times past. Things have a way of coming back to haunt us. Remember Jamaica broke up the W.I. federation "because all those small islands were in the federation to gain a Jamaica's expense". Well, now all the small islands are much better off than Jamaica and Jamicans are migrating to them. The same issue with the Santo Domingoans (Dominicans from the D.R. as opposed to Dominica). While I was growing up, I knew several men who lived and worked in the D.R. In fact, I learned my fist words in Spanish from them. My own grandfather went there and never came back. When there was no jobs in a lot of Caribbean islands, our folks went to the D.R. in droves. Some stayed and never returned. Others spent some time there, earned some money and came home. In a conversation with a man from the Dominican Republic, after I told him that my grandfather went to the D.R. and never returned, he told me that there are several towns in the D.R. where people still English-the descendants of the earlier immigrants from the English speaking Caribbean. I think it is only fair now if we return the favor and let them reside among us. Doantodo's piece was some what alarming. He is comfortable painting all Indo-Guyanese with one broad brush. Some people will say the exact same thing about Blacks. I am never comfortable generalizing about an entire group of people like that. There are good and bad folks among every ethnic group. My two cents. J.S. Hughes

Thu Oct 9, 2003 4:47 am"doantodo" <doantodo@...>doantodo

Re: The Guyaneese Question

Joseph,I think you may have missed or over looked the main points that Itried to convey, that is (if Nevis with a population of ten thousandshould secede from St.Kitts, with an estimation of two thousand or soGuyaneese already living there, this can become a mager concern down

the road). I also pointed out the racial situation in Guyana andTrinidad between the indians and the black. I specifically said," Iwauld not want the island of Nevis to find itself in the racialpolitical situation like in those two countries". I also didmentioned that " when you want to find thiefing, crooked low mindedpeople, that's most of the Guyaneese I know". That is not ageneralisation. I stand firmly behind my statements, because I haveworked with these people and I speak of what I have experience andheard with my two ears and saw with my two eyes. They are trouble andmischief makers, most of whom I known in the work place. Anguilla,saw the writing on wall and decided to put a visa restriction inplace for Guyaneese and Jamaicans. If our tourism plant continues todevelop, eventually we will need foreign workers. I am not against noone, or Guyaneese Indians coming to live and woked in St.Kitts andNevis. My main concern, is because of our small population, and ifis not managed properly, we can find ourselves in some recialdifficulty, down the road, especially in the case of Nevis, if itshould eventually secede from St.Kitts. So Joseph, I do appreciatethe fact that you find my piece somewhat alarming, becaue this is theperfect time to raise the alarm. (A stitch intime save nine). Wouldyou like your country to be taken over by outsiders, because theyeventually, become the mojarity race of Nevis or our county? St.Kittsand Nevis is not Santo Domingo. We are alot smaller.

doantodo.

Thu Oct 9, 2003 10:37 amkuba assegai <kessegai@...>kessegai

Re: Re: The Guyaneese Question

Hotep Mr. Tyrell

You and Mr. Hughes missed my point entirely. At notime am I advancing the chauvinistic argument againfellow Caribbean citizens and least of all againstFellow Afrikans coming to live in the Federation.I juxtaposed the fact of 'any' immigrant going toanother Nation will not be allowed to play any partin 'Breaking up' the political composition of thatNation. Second, I drew attention to the naked

hypocrisy of the NIA Senator Nolan, who supportsCanadian racism and chauvinistic treatment of theNative Peoples, Afrikans, East Indians, Chinese andFrench Canadian without calling for an end to theirFederation. Ironically, a fish has no complaint andknows no difference when it is in water.Therefore, I am wholeheartedly in support of theposition that only those citizens in the Federationwith ties to the Island of Nevis should vote in theplebiscite for 'secession'. The 'Rent-a-Voters'strategy employed by the CCM in the last localelection, which gave them a majority in the NIA shouldnot be tolerated in this important plebiscite vote. Infact the Federal Authority should take control of thevoter's list to make sure that everything is fair andabove board. Vance is a nasty little crook and so arethe other reptilian characters around him.

Shem Hotep

Thu Oct 9, 2003 9:32 amnevis2us@.

Re: The Guyaneese Question

This is an interesting debate. I see both sides of the debate but Nevisiansshould be absolutely careful of restrictive or prohibitive measures onimmigration. People generally move from society to society for betterment oflifestyle and living.

In general, Indian culture is a "clannish" one. Some Indians do not easilyassimilate in other societies, but we should embrace others who bring skills andeducation accomplishments that would advance Nevis place in the global market.

Nevisian Royalty nevisianroyalty@... 27.12.2003 wrote:

Re: Re: Gonsalves: Scrap Passport Requirement

Unrestricted entry into this country would spell disaster for us, reversing he socioeconomic gains we've achieved over the past decades. Antigua has such a policy, but that's for political rather than economic reasons. But there are now school kids there who can't find furniture on which to sit. Ditto the hospital in St. Johns. Simply put, the

immigrant population has overwhelmed the government's ability to provide essential services. We don't want that here!

BTW, I've noticed that the dilapidated houses in Nevis (of the type in which Daniel Nicastro lives) seem to be occupied by Guyanese coolies. So here we are back to finding a way out of the type of abject poverty many of us worked so hard to escape. No doubt we must have immigration, but it must be controlled.

Morrice Tyrellmutyrell@...mutyrell

Dec 27, 20039:04 pm

Re: Re: Gonsalves: Scrap Passport Requirement

You are disgracefully discriminatory. How limited is your thinking!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:05 ampoesys@... Wrote:

Re: At least 10 men in jail for killing their spouse or girlfreind in St.KittsEpitome,

As we become more and more enlightened as a society, we respond better andbetter to some of these long held mores. I remember growing up in Newtown at atime when men would 'box off' their wives, and girlfriends literally in front ofthe police without any retribution.I also remember some of the women who gave as good as they got. But that wasat a time when we were at the bottom of society. We were the crabs in thebarrel, fighting each other for the crumbs that were thrown at us to keep usoccupied.But this is a new time. Many, many of the listers have no idea of the growthof political awareness and by virtue of empowerment, the social awareness thatthe Labor movement brought to us as a people.At one time my family lived on George Street in Newtown, (Ralph Tota, lives inthe home now) and from my upstairs bedroom window facing the street, I couldobserve all of the nightly street theater. Even today, I could literally recitethe acts of characters like Mart and Barb, Coolie, Mug, Cuddah, Coke, Danny,(Under the spreading chestnut tree) Bo-Tart, Jimmy Daddy, Hawkips, Sebron, (allof the Vaughns)Shitty, Logan, Jimton, BraBread, Buster and the venerabledominican lady 'My Doodoo.' (Lewis for you it is '.'My Dieux dieux).'But as rambunctious as these people were, they always respected themselves

enough to look around and tell kids to move on before exploding in their'unique' language. Yes, they fought like cats and dogs. I remember the Masonsand Vaughns closing down George street when they fought with conch shells,bottles, stones and machetes.I remember going with my father many, many times to the homes of people in thecommunity to try to quell 'domestic disputes' Sometimes he would hold the man atbay while his wife or girlfriend explained what had occurred. Leaders back thenwere psychiatrists, doctors, teachers, accountants, bankers etc. etc.So it is not all about politics as usual. We were a much more closely knitsociety then. We identified a common enemy and we resolved through ourleadership to fight our way out of the barrel. I offer these historicalglimpses so that we do not get bogged down in our own selfish politicalreasoning. No matter what we think of Premier Bradshaw, he was the right man atthe right time for us.My good friend Dr.Hull said that Bradshaw did not have economic vision, and hemay be partly right in retrospect. But W.E.B. DuBois said the same thingsabout Marcus Garvey, instead of helping him with his knowledge, education andexpertise. Bradshaw was an authoritarian, no doubt about it. I remember many.many nights at my fathers home when Mr. Bradshaw and my father would 'argue' and'discuss' late into the night their strategies and solutions for the country.I tend to take the diplomatic route that my father espoused. Bradshaw on theother hand was a pure politician. He was about winning. My father was aboutinfluencing. But together they formed a formidable team.Peace,Poesy

Sun Jun 6, 2004 9:24 am "Viola Jacobs" <venisbett@...>

Re: The Village Area

A good project for you, Sylvine! I look forward to the finished publication!You remember a lot more than me, I think. Anyway, here's a few to add to the list:

* "Barley" -never knew his correct name- but in days of no refrigerators, he daily brought ice from the ice plant for the shops as well as other people. Remember the days we used to buy ice! I remember he used to bring 1/4 block for us most days. * The DeGrasse family: they used to make kites for sale for Good Friday. They also supplied cassava bread for the morning breakfast. I remember liking those with the coconut inside. * Mr. James who used to have a monkey; we used to get wood from him to boil the clothes and cook the ham at Christmas. He also supplied by order the bed grass which many used at the time * Mr. Allen and Miss Coolie - they used to sell vegetables on St Johnston Avenue where they lived near to Nurse May & Banks , the photograher's place. One of the

children of that union works in the St. Kitts Consulate in Canada - not sure of his correct title. His name is John Allen, you may know him. The family of them now live in Canada though in recent years, Miss Coolie has returned to live in St. Kitts at Bayview Housing Development. * What about Mrs. Claxton and her famous pull-pull?

I have to stop now as I am out of time but will add some more later as I can think of quite a few more.By the way. Irvin's "wife" was "Miss Doshia", short I think for TheodosiaLaterViola

Sun Jun 6, 2004 4:45 pm"Greta Lewis" <pumpbay@...>Re: The Village Area

They boiled their clothes in a kerosene pan.  These  were some large galvanize pans.  Folks boiled  both white and colored but mainly it was the white clothes.  They also added 'pupoy' bush to the water.  Boiling was either every two weeks or whenever the individuals felt like they needed it done.    There is also the Lapsey family of Millionaire St., there has to be about 10 kids in that family

Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:29 am

IvesRichards@...IvesRichards@...Send Email Send EmailRe: WINNFM/PAMFM is most divisive than uniting

In a message dated 6/24/2004 7:48:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, kackiem@... writes:WINNFM/PAMFM  whose general manager is a black Guyanese does these programmes like he did in Guyanese where the blacks were pitted against the Indians or coolies, does more harm than good.Be careful what you say, there are intelligent black folks monitoring what is humor and when facts are twisted. Are you properly informed of Guyana politics, if you are go to Guyana and receive your wake up call. Race is the common denominator in Guyanese politics, they want the black man at the bottom. The way it is if Africans do not fight for the common decency of been a human, moreover a citizen in their country the Indians will just rule them as slaves forever, irreparable damage has already been done in Guyana, I praise that black man on WINNFM for struggling for black people. Controlling his politics on the island is another issue, but his struggle for the upliftment of black people in Guyana must not be tainted.   

                                                                                 Blessings, Ives.

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:40 amkuba assegai <kessegai@...>kessegai

Re: Rumours Rumours Pam Strategist to Be working Closely With Winn Fm news room

Hotep Ken Herbert

Has this individual a 'Work Permit'? If he hasn't thenhe should be put on a plane as a 'Persona Non Grata'.We cannot allow anyone to come into the Federationfrom the outside and engage in action or actions thatcan result in the 'destabilization' of the Nation. Ifthis Coolie fellow is engaging in behavior that isunacceptable to the peace and well-being of the Nationthen he should be send packing.

Shem Hotep

<drcleaner2005@...> wrote:> Rumours just coming to hand Indicate That Pam> Strategist, Dr. Derick RAM_ SOUR_POOP. Will be> working with Pam Radio Station Winn Fm. It is said> That Mr. Ram_sour_ poop will be working in the News> room.>> Dr Ramsourpoop is known for splicing words and> making them into what he desire. Very shortly> Listers and Nationals will be Fed a dish of Half> Truths, words said by Prime Minister Dr. Douglas and> other Labour Ministers will be fixed by the splicing> hands of Dr. Ramsour poop.>> Every one is on edge hoping that this Hindu black> People Hater, would do no damage to our Music> festival, or Ordered Little Lindsey to destroy the> good name of Our Nation.

Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:56 pmKen Herbert <drcleaner2005@...>drcleaner2005

Re: Rumours Rumours Pam Strategist to Be working Closely With Winn Fm news room

Totaly Agree with You Kuba, A evil man like him could not even last one day under Dr. Simmonds.

Dr. Douglas too Easy Run de Coolie, Pack De Coolie Chase de Coolie

Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:16 pmEllis Mills <plaintalker8@...>plaintalker8Re: Rumours Rumours Pam Strategist to Be working Closely With Winn Fm news room

This man is said to be a really vicious fanatic. He has been hired by PAM to destabalise the country. Enough is enough. Ellis 

Sun Oct 3, 2004 2:10 pmkuba assegai kessegai@...

Sex For Food is a Black Eye for the Caribbean.

Hotep Norman

Once again the" Servants of the People", makes thepeople and Government of SKN proud by standing outfrom the rest with discipline, dignity and honour.When the news of the "Sex for Food' scandal reached myears I had little doubt that our 'Servants' were not apart of that outrage. Under the excellent leadershipof Cde. Colonel Pat Wallace, the 'Servants of thePeople' stands beside the 'Heavenly Stars' [SKNNational Flag] as two of the finest symbols ofDemocratic Socialism in the Caribbean and beyond.

As for Mr. Noel who, in his article identified theculprits of this disgraceful and shameless behaviour,they should be put before a 'firing squad'. One'sDefense Forces is an extension of a Nation's internal

policies. If the Government is corrupt then so willthe various arms of that government whether it is thePolice or the Defense forces.

The Government of Trinidad and Tobago, has a long wayto go to clean up their act. The main cleavage betweenthe Afrikan and Asian population must be made apriority case to be resolved or they will never becomea shining light on the mountain top. The Afrikanpopulation must decide as to whether they will live inpeace with their Asian brothers and sisters or theywill be returned to India under the 'Coolie Act 1838'.The blight of ethnic conflict is a slur on the imageof the Caribbean as a whole not just T&T and Guyana.There are Asians in Jamaica and we do not witness asimilar hostile attitude between the two ethnic groupsas we witness in T&T and Guyana.

The Asian population in both Nations must before-warned about their chauvinistic behaviour whichappear to lay at the root of the conflict. The Afrikanon the other hand must develop a zero tolerance forAsian chauvinism and be prepared to enforce the 1838Act, to remove these elements from the Nation Statewith assistance from other Caribbean Nations.

Shem Hotep

Thomas <agustus_thomas@...> wrote:

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Grenadian authorities acknowledge food for sex reportsby Leroy NoelThursday, September 30, 2004ST GEORGE'S Grenada: After Grenada’s police throughits media consultant had castigated Caribbean Net Newsand its local correspondent for publishing a report

that relief supplies are being traded by some membersof the security forces in exchange for sexual favours,they have been forced to acknowledge that they havereceived several reports of similar nature from thepublic.It is clear that the police and its mediarepresentative did not investigate the facts as putforward in the story before issuing a denial, makingit difficult to maintain such denial in the face ofpublic protest.Meanwhile, members of the public have also recordedtheir concern about the reported heavy alcoholconsumption of Regional Security Officers.The men are often seen in uniform drinking rum andphotographers have already begun taking documentaryevidence, making it difficult for the police hierarchyto deny the various reports.In the meantime, Colonel Patrick Wallace, Commander ofthe St. Kitts/Nevis Defence Force has stoutly defendedthe honour and reputation of the Federation'scontingent which is presently a part of the RegionalSecurity System (RSS) unit, now in Grenada.Wallace, who paid a fact-finding visit to Grenada lastweek and held discussions with troops from St.Kitts/Nevis, also spoke with a platoon from theAntigua and Barbuda Defence Force and pointed out thatthe troops are not involved in the distribution offood supplies."Our troops I can say, are not involved in any reliefdistribution. They are involved in re-constructionwork; they are involved in security work whichinvolves the escorting of the port convoy and guardingthe commercial center like the banks and that sort ofthing. The St. Kitts/Nevis as well as the Antigua andBarbuda troops are not involved in the actualdistribution so I can't say where that informationcame from as it relates to St. Kitts and Nevis and Iwill also put my head out also for the Antigua andBarbuda soldiers", the military chief said.

Sun Oct 3, 2004 2:27 pm"epitome001" <epitome001@...>epitome001

Re: Sex For Food is a Black Eye for the Caribbean.

Great piece as usual, Doc. Sir, racism and feudalism is thefoundation of Hinduism. That's one of the reasons why the Britishwas able to control a population that was much larger than that oftheir own.

The next race war will be in India where the darker skinned Indian(although they are generally smarter, is treated as real outcasts).Sir, Indians are generally a self hating people who would kill to bewhite. I guess that can be said of quite a few of our own folks too.Re: Sex For Food is a Black Eye for the Caribbean.

Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:06 amObi <eveton@...>Eveton

Re: St.Kitts-Nevis has 2nd highest Debt to GDP ratio in the caribbean...........

Yeah it seem like they will listen to the Indian because he have "cooliehair".

Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:46 pm"S.Henry" veronica@...

Re: The Village Area

Comrade,Miss Cara was a slim Coolie looking woman who lived in a house below Aggie Joseph shop. She worked at Shadwell and always carried her bag to work on her head. She was also a fussy person, and grumbled a lot to herself when she came to the water pipe. Miss Esmie lived at the top of Millionaire street and had a beautiful flower garden. She also had a number of fruit trees like pomegranate at the back of her house. As children we went by her fence to beg pomegranate and steal genip. She was related to Val Morris, his aunt or something like that. It was pitiful, but when she aged, she became senile and went around the village collect scrap paper. Her beautiful home was allowed to run down and she was almost destitute. Do you or anyone remember Eulalie Buchanan?S.H

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:12 amDiana Ottley diana.hunter@...

Re: The Sugar Industry? what's the plan? Labour supporters

Hi Gretna,unfortunately, not everything goes as planned. When was the last time you visited SK? they'll soon have secondary languages (spanish and hindu). THey even have a salsa dance school. and these guyanses forming their own villages now. How you think aunty Y learned Hindu? THe same ones who were supposed to move back, paid people to get married to them so they can get their 'stay' in sk. then move in their other family members. that's another reason why there is a man shortage in sk. cause these coolie-indian/ spanish women taking all a dem. ( I can also get down to the real 'nitty gritty' on politics)

On 6/13/05, pumpbay <pumpbay@...> wrote:

Diana, The imported workers are not included in this plan. Consider them contract workers, they came for a specific amount of time and got paid accordingly. When the work end that's it. Companies in the US, are now subcontracting jobs, when the contract expires that's it, unless the company renews that contract. In terms of the sugar industry, the imported workers contract ends when the crop is over. They are not entitled to any other compensation. They are not regular employees of the sugar industry. Peace Gretna

----- Original Message ----- From: Diana Ottley To: Wendy Brown-Amory Cc: skn@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: The Sugar Industry? what's the plan? Labour supporters

"I do agree however that work needs to be created for the Kititians..." and the guyaneese, and Dominicans, and Trini's and whomever else the 'oh-so-smart' government brought in.

If it was failing, no one noticed. We made it work just fine, just like chains of movie theatres who manage to keep the failing ones open because the profit came in from somewhere else. so, we have to change our names now. from...Sugar City to ....tourism? Where do we go from here? The bakery uptown have to change it's name. the cricket team have to change their name. and what of our fertile soil? we gonna plant houses now? I am disappointed. i hope Douggie knows what he's doing. Can someone ask him to email me. I need to talk to him. SOmetimes we do things based on our own selfish needs (like Bush), without thinking of the consequences and I think that's what he's doing. Dr. A, ask Douggie to send me an email.

On 6/11/05, Wendy Brown-Amory <dutchessmum@... > wrote:

Diana, From what I am led to believe. The sugar industry has been failing for years supported by subsidising...Also I am told that fewer Kittitians were interested in cane cutting. Those who used to be are either dead or too old to cut cane now...hense the reason why Guyanese and other caricom nationals used to come into St.Kitts to cut cane. St.Kitts have been diversifying by increasing farming of vegetable crops which are a far more profitable crop than sugar. Nevis gave up the sugar industry years ago because it was not a viable crop. Young people these days will not cut cane...therefore the sugar industry was merely providing work for migrant workers more than for local employment. I do agree however that work needs to be created for the Kititians who will be effected by the closure of the industry.....God Bless...Wendy

Diana Ottley <diana.hunter@...> wrote:

thanks for your response Kuba, but sugar doesn't cause diabetes. and much as I respect you and your argument, you didn't quite answer my question. what's gonna become of the people who've been working in the sugar engineering business for all their lives.

On 6/10/05, kuba assegai <kessegai@... > wrote:

Hotep Ottley:

You have raised the classic nonsensical argument if I have ever seen one. Sugar granules is not only dangerous to one's health but it has never gained a consistent economic profit since the days of enslavement. Development means revisiting the logistics and methodology of one's productive base and our Sugar Industry was an albatross around the neck of our Nation. Not only was it unproductive and dangerous to our health, subjecting us to mass diabetes, but it maintained a social and cultural structure of enslavement. In fact only PAM in their desperation would want to continue the slave mindset among our people.

Suffice to say, just as other developed Nations have re-structured their economy to exclude their former mono-productive base, SKN must move to a position of economic diversification, to attain any form of sustainable development. In the 1980s, when PAM took Office, they used Massa Caines, to sabotage the Sugar Industry, which subsequently prevented the possibility of developing any other form of Agro-Industrial diversification. Unfortunately, this still-birth operation which began with Caines was continued with Halva Hendrickson, with the arrival of the Labour Government. To be truthful, both under Labour and PAM, the Sugar Industry was badly managed and what we are witnessing is the collateral fall out of 'Bad Management'. Whereas both the Brazilians and the Cubans are getting over a hundred economic spin-offs from their Sugar Crops, SKN, continue to produce sugar granules and molasses which, they gave to Antigua for pittance.

Now that the Labour Government has made the final decision to move out of Sugar production Kittitians should be engaged in a debate as to how the labour surplus will be absorbed in the new industries. The closure along with the cessation of Sugar still leaves the Government with a 'Supply Quota' of sugar, which they maintain as "the Lome [1] and [2] Agreements " allows SKN to sell to any other Sugar producing Nation. The amount of compensation accrued in this process from the selling of SKN's "Sugar Quota" can be redirected to compensate and retrain many of these

workers into new [service] areas of employment.

So my dear sister, don't worry your head, Labour will take care of everything [ tongue in cheek] in the fullness of time. Don't allow PAM's "Rent-A=Mouths" to fool your little head.

< diana.hunter@... > wrote:

> "As of July 31st you are no longer employed" > > So what's the plan now? Can someone share some > insights with me as to > what the plans are when the factory closes. >

Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:33 am"epitome001" <epitome001@...>epitome001Re: How dey trying to OUTSMART us with the SMART card !!

He kept cheating in order to keep them choopit Guyanese Black peoplein office and to stop them from trading away their land (given tothem for free) to Mr. Coolie Man in exchange for liquor. Well helost that battle. Trinidad and Nevis (maybe even St. Kitts) is upnext. Boy Stocky, things are not always what they seem.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:11 pm"epitome001" <epitome001@...>epitome001

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.

Sir I concur. Anyhow, all this tribalism and silliness must beplaced at the feet of the three or four CCM tribal anarchists. Weall know who they are.

While these jokers get up here on a daily basis talking crap boatSinkitt dis an Sinkitt dat, the Guyanese Indian is takingCharlestown and the rest of Nevis right out of their hands. Half ofthem(the Indians)already live in Bath Village, the home of the top

secessionist(Hull).

The Joshi brothers out of India have cleaned their(Neewis people)clocks a second time in two years, winning the top honours (12 CXCsubjects). Kittitians, hold strain. It's only a matter of a shortfive to ten years before the Guyanese Coolie Man will do to themwhat they did to Afro Guyanese. Hold strain folks. Better days arecoming.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:59 amPamella Tuitt <tantiep@...>Tantiep

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.

"It's only a matter of a short five to ten years before the Guyanese Coolie Man will do to them what they did to Afro Guyanese."

A no aryou goin say a farce, but me no k.A wa dey do to de afro guyanese?

ONE LOVE.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:54 amObi <eveton@...>Eveton

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.

Pam...its a bad idea to encourage a mangy dawg by giving it bones. I am sure you saw the sign that said don't feed the dawgs

Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:16 amPamella Tuitt <tantiep@...>Tantiep

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.

Yeah! I saw it but I still fed you.

ONE LOVE.

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:04 pm

"Kitti-to-de-bone 100%" <onenutjob@...>junie185

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.

Epi you miss one important one which is the Nevis men and women are loosing their wives and girlfriends, husband and boyfriends to these coolie hair men and women. Of late the spanish men and women are doing the same thing.So what you think going to happen. Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:23 am"epitome001" <epitome001@...>epitome001

Re: We did it! Well said Immanuel. I say let Nevis and their Coolies gu lang.

Well said Immanuel. However, it's my hope that the coolies do takeover Nevis. I pray. Those coolies were as racist towards the Africanin Kenya and Uganda as the Whites were. They are not our friends.Never were.

You can visit every nook and cranny in Nevis and there's a coolieman. And most Nevisians have embraced them with a passion while theycontinue to launch their tribal attacks on us proud Kittitians(withthe help of our many back stabbing traitors). I say, let Nevis go.

While standing in one of those little parks there on Main Street inNevis recently, I heard a Guyanese exclaim to a Nevisian, "Hey blackman!" But then I also heard a black Nevisian woman refer to DIS-N-DAT as our Indian king(as he passed by in their "culturama" parade).I swear. We are a sorry set.

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:35 am"epitome001" <epitome001@...>epitome001

Re: We did it!

Immanuel, as the old folks say, thank God for folks like you. Youare one of our bright lights. That Mahatma Ghandi you hear theseblack people up here quoting on a daily basis, he too was also a nogood back stabbing bigot.

Ghandi is not all that he's cracked up to be, it was anOutcast/Dalit in India who took the struggle to the British, but

upper class Brahman Ghandi got the light. As another tribalist herealways exclaim, things are not always as they seem!

Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:02 amvidesha sarjoo <nevishinduqueen@...>nevishinduqueen@

Boy, o boy. We did it once again. I never knew I would live to see the day when Guyanese would have so much power in this country. We gave Mr. Brantley our votes and lo and behold, he won the election. What puzzled me was how come he only won by 30 votes when over 200 Guyanese voted for him. Does this mean the local people voted for Hensley? What about the spanish votes and the white people votes? Looks to me that foreigners are in control here. We already have the education and the wealth but to see we now have the power is really satisfying. I still think I will live to see one of my own rule this little island. Before anyone of you decide to attack, think about how many straight hair babies are born here every year. They are full fledged Nevisians like anyone else. To the end of the day, we always support our own, so think what would happen if one of us should run for a seat.........

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:51 pm"sinkkittsman" <sinkkittsman@...>sinkkittsman

Re: We did it!

I can't believe fellas like Obi would weigh in on this when it was hisboy, "Jonny Bravo" who came in here courting the Coolie Vote withthese people and their ravenous belly aches.

I meant to say, those people (Asian Indians) aren't Guyanese,Guyanese, in any sense of the word. They are the very remnants of theBritish Indentured Servitude construct, put there after slavery toalways displace the Blacks wherever they are found, and to do so withthe racist straight hair twirl of the tongue, so Idiots like MarkBrantley and dumb bell Obi might get their asses in place andunderstand themselves in the Presence of the swindling Indiantransplant where the majority carry this ill notion that they arebetter suited to this world than the Blacks of the diaspora.

They openly refer to Blacks all across the world as lazy people. Theycan very well revise history today, as such is afforded them byPoliticians like Mark Brantley and block of ice, Obi. This is quite a

proxy for the British/ White Supremacy rule there, ain it?

This is one of the reasons they can take it upon themselves anddeclare that Blacks aren't too smart, and have contributed very littleto the world in science and industry. The Chinks aren't any different,and I can only guess that the british pretty much burnt this intotheir DNA to the point that one wonders if these people are theNeanderthals of Asia.

The Island of St Kitts is not Nevisians problems. Nevis Secession isnot you people's problem, either. It is no wonder Mark, with pin prickease, refers to Nevisians living in St Kitts as "House Niggas (he musthave some real Guyanes friends, wouldn't you say?). He did let on thathe had a conversation with the straight hair people he say he pickedup on the road. But, he did not say if they at all mentioned that somepeople in the Federation are referred to as Niggas. We all know theyrefer to us all as such, but to fuse this with what emanates out ofsupposed learned people in Nevis' CCM is really cause for assessment.This Mark set out to polarize the electorate, now look what we have here?

I need not mention the Neighborhoods in the US and elsewhere where,they are sometimes taken pity upon, befriended on he scales ofhumanity, and lo and behold, within a good 90 days (after rubbing offthe oil from the red herring in a piece of bread to meet each paydayto pick up 3 squares), they tool themselves to displace and underminethe people around them and bring in their criminals to run the place,while they walk about all holy and sanctimonious in their dirty asses.

The Italians are just their match - they don't try any of thatnonsense pass Little Italy, but they want to try out their hands onthe nonchalant Small Islander in Nevis and wherever they can crack asmile and render trusting Blacks docile and totally ignorant. Not evenAfricans can stand most of them in Africa - They usually side with theWhites, except for a few respectable and notable "Heroes and Sheroes"in South African and Kenya. We all know what Idi Amin had to do whenhe flushed his toilet on Britain, America and Canada, when he sentthose Leeches packing out of a polarized Uganda, corroded evermore bythe Indian element.

They had to go... an it ain now so.

I for one don't think the Smaller Islands are going to take the crapyou guys pulled off for years in places like Trinidad; Jamaica;Guyana; Grenada; etc. From the informer to the Politician, not one ofthem put in a bag can be trusted. Even the ones who can't read toowell always want to pull some crap like nobody done study them at a

distant glance.

This lady is spewing what she hears around the four walls thatNevisians have given these people for a home. They spawn all over theplace like long haired spiders, weaving a web of deceit anddisplacement. This nasty bitch don't seem at all phased by heraccounts on election day, and what the plans were in place after someplanning with CCM, it appears.

While she exudes an out-pouring of love for Mark and CCM, after such aclose call at the Polls, a plan gone well it seems, she has let onthat the CCM and Mark were conned into accepting them into Nevissociety, while at the onset, the whole lot seems up to no god damned good.

I am already suspicious about the poll that netted Jonny Bravo theFederal seat. It is a good thing they kept their mouths shut, for wemight have had the same situation that engulfed the Guyanese electoralsystem into a near non-functional protocol of society, all because theIndians with the hatred and backwardness, want to rule all things inGuyana and elsewhere, as it is clear that their "Buffer assignment"given them by the British, has yet to come to a lull.

The Coolie influence is nothing but a weed in the growth path of theBlack man. They have no compunction about their greedy and hatefulways. Whatever hate is coming their way now, is testament to what thisHindi piece of shit is emboldened to trumpet, as it comes straightfrom her group of conspirators, all in the fold of that long charterprescribed by the British, and that is to liberate the black man'searnings from him, just as they've been brought to buffer theemancipated slaves from owning the lands after slavery.

No good scum, MOST of them!

Immanuel.

Aug 30, 2007 3:23 am"epitome001" <epitome001@...>epitome001

Re: We did it! Well said Immanuel. I say let Nevis and their Coolies gu lang.

Well said Immanuel. However, it's my hope that the coolies do takeover Nevis. I pray. Those coolies were as racist towards the Africanin Kenya and Uganda as the Whites were. They are not our friends.Never were.

You can visit every nook and cranny in Nevis and there's a coolieman. And most Nevisians have embraced them with a passion while theycontinue to launch their tribal attacks on us proud Kittitians(withthe help of our many back stabbing traitors). I say, let Nevis go.

While standing in one of those little parks there on Main Street inNevis recently, I heard a Guyanese exclaim to a Nevisian, "Hey blackman!" But then I also heard a black Nevisian woman refer to DIS-N-DAT as our Indian king(as he passed by in their "culturama" parade).I swear. We are a sorry set.

Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:25 am"sinkkittsman" <sinkkittsman@...>sinkkittsman

Re: We did it! Well said Immanuel. I say let Nevis and their Coolies gu lang.

Epitome:

you tink they goin take over Nevis? LOL! I really have to laugh, giventhe crap some Nevisians go around the globe tear jerking aboutKittitians and how they feel like back seat passengers. Meanwhile, theGuyanese Indian is there on the sideline cranking out babies like a24/7 manufacturing plant in Nevis, all to facilitate a grander schemeto displace the Black Masses once more, as they have done in Guyanaand Trinidad under British Mandate. In this case, Nevisians have optedto give them the shop, all because they have "nice hair," it appears.

There is no other way to put it. I cannot see why they would put theseDeli Rats on a pedestol above Kittitians, when in fact, they havedemonstrated in past and present contacts with them that they hold nofeelings towards us, but to displace our peoples for generations to come.

Epitome, I am sure you have heard of the many stories written up inthe papers about the way these people conduct their affairs. Criminalsare their heroes, and they tend to look the other way, once they andtheir friends benefit from the fleecing they are prone to visit uponevery group their nasty-ass worm themselves between.

I hate being around them. Period! The bullshit cannot stop runningwhen it comes to that Curry diet, it appears.

Those Trini ones aint so bad yet, but mix it all up and you have a bigbang in the works there for our micro States. Every year, the USpapers are filled with the exploits of these people, some doing in

their very own to feel the nightmare of the American Dream.

I recall a recent trial in the New York Criminal court where, oneGuyanese guy and his other relatives was whoring out the Sister inLaw, and at the same time taking out life insurance on her Husband andanything Moving with a heart beat in NYC. It turns out he and hisfamily preyed on unsuspecting Homeless Guyanese Indian and TriniIndian men, taking out hefty life insurance for them in his insurancecompany then had the poor people murdered to collect the money throughthe whoring Sister in Law.

Also, I have a friend who had a bit of a run in with a couple of them,including those who are in Law Enforcement in NYC and others whowalking around playing big in dey sour ass.

They even encourage the Kids to steal from people and bring home thespoils to mommyand daddy. This one is what really turned my mind awayfrom these people, after one of their Kids brushed up on one of mycolleague and stole the money right off him in the presence of hisParents. I will never forget this.

The whole neighborhood must have shown up at the eatery to pick morepockets, because they didn't see anything wrong with some Kidaccompanied by his Parents, brushing up against a customer and the manmoney disappears. I was not about to let it go like that. I made hell!Besides, the ones who own stores and shops have a way, they like tofollow you around the stores as if you going out the door with theentire inventory. They have no place in our society.

In that incident, it was the Owner of the eatery who gave the moneyback, as I told him what time it was, if he did not fix this mess withhis thieving kind hanging around the joint waiting for people to turntheir heads and the ten or twenty dollars disappear down a curry hole.

I doan play wid dem. Nevisians and Kittitians shouldn't either. Theyare, sad to say, a scheming hate filled bunch, having no feelingswhatsoever, for anybody but themselves and by themselves they belong.I believe it won't be too long after they are sent packing into theirown little enclaves, long after they are side lined by many a groupsin the Caribbean and elsewhere if they don't watch it. Ebven in thiscase, they will eventually eat each other to quench that insatiablegreed.

In regards to the many fears that they will over run the place likethe rats that they are, due to the CSME, these people should be put onleashes, given their advent in the region, cooked up by the British to

keep down the Black man. They continue to exhibit these very designsof the British and they can only pay for their nasty, scheming andmurdering ways, by allotting that non repentant element minimumacceptance into the CSME. If this measure is not taken into account toset a quota on these Coolies, the whole place will go to shit.

If anybody thinks this Lady's post is as benign as a garden weedsprouting, they need to examine the roots before they embark onreferring to anybody of African origin, Racist, towards these nastydon't like to bathe F**kers.

Immanuel.

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:05 pmNevisian Pride <nvsnpride@...>Nvsnpride

Re: We did it!

Guyanese;You raise up an ants nest here. A hope you could handle the stings you get on this list for doing that!!! NO GUYANESE WILL EVER RULE THIS LITTLE PARADISE. NONE!!!!! We welcome you as a people to better your lives as people all over the world (Nevisians included) migrate in search of better. But to rule Nevis!!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:12 amDiana Ottley <diana.hunter@...>d_hunter24

Re: The Sugar Industry? what's the plan? Labour supporters

Hi Gretna,unfortunately, not everything goes as planned. When was the last time you visited SK? they'll soon have secondary languages (spanish and hindu). THey even have a salsa dance school. and these guyanses forming their own villages now. How you think aunty Y learned Hindu? THe same ones who were supposed to move back, paid people to get married to them so they can get their 'stay' in sk. then move in their other family members. that's another reason why there is a man shortage in sk. cause these coolie-indian/ spanish women taking all a dem. ( I can also get down to the real 'nitty gritty' on politics)

On 6/13/05, pumpbay <pumpbay@...> wrote:

Diana,

The imported workers are not included in this plan. Consider them contract workers, they came for a specific amount of time and got paid accordingly. When the work end that's it. Companies in the US, are now subcontracting jobs, when the contract expires that's it, unless the company renews that contract. In terms of the sugar industry, the imported workers contract ends when the crop is over. They are not entitled to any other compensation. They are not regular employees of the sugar industry. Peace Gretna

----- Original Message ----- From: Diana Ottley To: Wendy Brown-Amory Cc: skn@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: The Sugar Industry? what's the plan? Labour supporters

"I do agree however that work needs to be created for the Kititians..." and the guyaneese, and Dominicans, and Trini's and whomever else the 'oh-so-smart' government brought in. If it was failing, no one noticed. We made it work just fine, just like chains of movie theatres who manage to keep the failing ones open because the profit came in from somewhere else. so, we have to change our names now. from...Sugar City to ....tourism? Where do we go from here? The bakery uptown have to change it's name. the cricket team have to change their name. and what of our fertile soil? we gonna plant houses now? I am disappointed. i hope Douggie knows what he's doing. Can someone ask him to email me. I need to talk to him. SOmetimes we do things based on our own selfish needs (like Bush), without thinking of the consequences and I think that's what he's doing. Dr. A, ask Douggie to send me an email.

On 6/11/05, Wendy Brown-Amory <dutchessmum@... > wrote:

Diana, From what I am led to believe. The sugar industry has been failing for years supported by subsidising...Also I am told that fewer Kittitians were interested in cane cutting. Those who used to be are either dead or too old to cut cane now...hense the reason why Guyanese and other caricom nationals used to come into St.Kitts to cut cane.

St.Kitts have been diversifying by increasing farming of vegetable crops which are a far more profitable crop than sugar. Nevis gave up the sugar industry years ago because it was not a viable crop. Young people these days will not cut cane...therefore the sugar industry was merely providing work for migrant workers more than for local employment. I do agree however that work needs to be created for the Kititians who will be effected by the closure of the industry.....God Bless...Wendy

Diana Ottley <diana.hunter@...> wrote:

thanks for your response Kuba, but sugar doesn't cause diabetes. and much as I respect you and your argument, you didn't quite answer my question. what's gonna become of the people who've been working in the sugar engineering business for all their lives.

On 6/10/05, kuba assegai <kessegai@... > wrote:

Hotep Ottley:

You have raised the classic nonsensical argument if I have ever seen one. Sugar granules is not only dangerous to one's health but it has never gained a consistent economic profit since the days of enslavement. Development means revisiting the logistics and methodology of one's productive base and our Sugar Industry was an albatross around the neck of our Nation. Not only was it unproductive and dangerous to our health, subjecting us to mass diabetes, but it maintained a social and cultural structure of enslavement. In fact only PAM in their desperation would want to continue the slave mindset among our people.

Suffice to say, just as other developed Nations have re-structured their economy to exclude their former mono-productive base, SKN must move to a position of economic diversification, to attain any form of sustainable development. In the 1980s, when PAM took Office, they used Massa Caines, to sabotage the Sugar Industry, which subsequently prevented the possibility

of developing any other form of Agro-Industrial diversification. Unfortunately, this still-birth operation which began with Caines was continued with Halva Hendrickson, with the arrival of the Labour Government. To be truthful, both under Labour and PAM, the Sugar Industry was badly managed and what we are witnessing is the collateral fall out of 'Bad Management'. Whereas both the Brazilians and the Cubans are getting over a hundred economic spin-offs from their Sugar Crops, SKN, continue to produce sugar granules and molasses which, they gave to Antigua for pittance.

Now that the Labour Government has made the final decision to move out of Sugar production Kittitians should be engaged in a debate as to how the labour surplus will be absorbed in the new industries. The closure along with the cessation of Sugar still leaves the Government with a 'Supply Quota' of sugar, which they maintain as "the Lome [1] and [2] Agreements " allows SKN to sell to any other Sugar producing Nation. The amount of compensation accrued in this process from the selling of SKN's "Sugar Quota" can be redirected to compensate and retrain many of these workers into new [service] areas of employment.

So my dear sister, don't worry your head, Labour will take care of everything [ tongue in cheek] in the fullness of time. Don't allow PAM's "Rent-A=Mouths" to fool your little head.

< diana.hunter@... > wrote:

> "As of July 31st you are no longer employed" > > So what's the plan now? Can someone share some > insights with me as to > what the plans are when the factory closes. >

Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:58 pm

pembertoncyp@...Carleenyp

Re: FW: The Plight of the Guyanese Migrant Worker

The words of Paul comes to mind when he said his frequent travels were in perils of rivers, in perils of outlaws, in perils of the town, in perils of his countrymen, in perils of false brethren and in perils of robbers. What Paul described, somehow, I get the feeling that this is not the situation here in Nevis, for Guyanese migrant workers. There is something about this article that sends out a false SOS alarm. Nevis is home to so many Guyanese migrant workers, that something must be going good for them here, or else, they would have already packed up and find other resourceful places, like when they left Guyana for greener pastures here in Nevis. I have Guyanese friends whom I have the utmost respect for. They are hard working and they will give you an honest day's work, but firstly, the level of blame must be directed only at the Guyanese leader, for chasing his people out of Guyana in large numbers.

Secondly, Guyana is the worst model for democracy. Guyanese are no strangers to protest of political nature. The isolated situation we had in Nevis concerning questionable Guyanese voter registrants, did take its rightful and legal course of action. It is a democratic right for people to protest something that imperils them. It must not be seen as something sinister, when protest is necessary. You should feel proud to convey to the world that democracy here in Nevis, is growing in all of its splendor. Whereas, in Guyana, Guyanese would have encountered bloodshed and even death, if they were to protest questionable registrants on the voters list.

Guyanese living on Nevis feels more privileged to vote in Nevis, than they are in Guyana. Guyana has its own lingering electoral problems, so much that elections usually causes instability in Guyana. Just before Guyana had its recent elections, I asked a Guyanese friend if her family was going home to vote, she adamantly said "no way, the risk is too great." Guyanese will be the first to tell you that they are feeling quite happy living here in Nevis, when compared to their experiences living on other foreign soil and most importantly at home in Guyana. They would also tell you that living in Nevis has improved their standard of living tremendously. There may be some isolated cases of abuse of migrant workers, but not at this alarming rate that I am gathering from this article. "Life is good here," is what most Guyanese will tell you.

Every country when opening up its borders to visitors and migrant workers, first study the social problems of certain nationals from other countries before opening up its borders to them, considering that they will take their bad habits wherever they go. Nationals here agrees that Guyana's racial problems can likely develop on our shores, if their growth keeps up with the way it is going. We have to prevent this kind of racial problems from festering on Nevis, by looking at the root of the problem and use prevention methods to stop this from happening. The root of what could be our problem is to limit the Guyanese populace on the island. By all account, the then opposition leader was absolutely correct with his method of calculation about the fast growth of this

group of people on Nevis, considering all of the factors involved at our risk of being kind to an unfortunate group of people that Canada, England and the United States and the wider Caribbean have used firm restrictions against, if they are to enter their borders.

It's good to see someone from little Nevis looking out for people of Guyanese background, while Canada, England and the United States would screen their visa applications vigorously, but lest not forget that little Nevis seems to have been fearlessly extending its welcome mat all along, to this ostracized group of people. Evidently, Guyanese are the top minority group here on Nevis.

I believe then, that the growing population of Guyanese in Nevis, seems more of a problem that needs to be addressed, than some isolated case of Guyanese being victimized by an employer. Nationals of every other country gets fearful when other nationals come to their shores to look for a better way of living. Life is no way near a bed of roses for Nevsians when they initially arrived at another country looking for work.

Every other country out there are using strict measures to protect their borders. Advanced countries such as Canada, England and the United States have said they had enough of Guyanese lawlessness, and not overlooking the fact that Guyanese have the highest HIV AIDS cases in the Caribbean. This is frightening news for any friendly neighbour to Guyana, such as Nevis, who has been quite willing to open its borders to them.

Nevis has been one of the most friendly place along the Caribbean basin, for Guyanese to settle and find work. So, while it is good to see a kind attorney is looking out for our Guyanese friends, and since they are not nearly made to feel ostracized, to the level of that at home in Guyana, all will agree that little Nevis with its limited resources can never be the Saviour of the Guyanese migrant workers plight.

Above all else, Guyanese will honestly tell you that they feel quite at home in Nevis, and that their standard of living has improved by one hundred percent, when compared to their socioeconomic dilemma in Guyana. Nevis has always been a friendly neighbor to Guyanese whose outward appearance shows to be quite content and settled here in Nevis, knowing they have escaped horrible existing living conditions in their homeland of Guyana, who has the third highest poverty rate in the world. You should have seen the Guyanese response to the "Nevis Nice" calypso that was played the Sunday evening, when the Guyanese Cricketers came to Nevis to play in the National Heroes Day 20-20 cricket games at Grove Park. They were dancing and singing with much felicity, and I do believe it was not because they were winning the cricket match only, but it is because of the generosity of Nevisians, that is extended to them, as they choose to make Nevis their home away from home.

St Kitts sugar factory receives last canes

Reprinted from Caribbean Net News

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Monday, July 25, 2005

SSMC locomotives # 15 and # 1, criss-cross each other bringing the last tonnes of cane for grinding

Minister of Agriculture, Cedric Liburd speaking in a short ceremony to commemorate the arrival of the last trucks with cane to the Sugar Factory

Dwyer Astaphan, Joseph Alfred, Cedric Liburd, Nigel Carty and Mrs. Telca Wallace as they view the locomotives arriving with the last canes for grinding.Photos by Erasmus Williams

Monday, July 25, 2005

BASSETERRE, St. Kitts: It is a day that will go down in the annals of the history of St. Kitts and Nevis, when at 1:15 P.M. on Friday 22nd July 2005, flower-decorated locomotives with their sirens and horns blaring, brought the last the tonnes of cane to sugar factory for grinding from the fields.

Several sugar workers from field and factory witnessed two locomotives – one travelling from the West and the other from the North - crisscrossed each other in the presence of several Ministers of Government, officials and news media representatives, just outside the Communications Office in the factory yard.

Loco # 15 which came from the North with 15 full carts was driven by Leroy Taylor with Dennis Arthurton and Keith Garnett as switchers. Loco # 1 with 17 full carts, had Keith Powell as the driver and E. Smith and Cleon Carty as switchers and came from the West.

In brief remarks during a short ceremony presided over by Press Secretary to the Prime Minister, Mr. Erasmus Williams; Minister of Housing, Agriculture, Fisheries and Consumer Affairs, Cedric Liburd, said the debt of the St. Kitts Sugar Manufacturing Corporation is now at a staggering EC$350 million.

“We have done all that we can to save the sugar industry, but because of the high cost of production in relation to monies received and the pending 39 percent reduction for sugar bought from the ACP countries including St. Kitts and Nevis, we had to take that decision,” said Minister Liburd.

He noted that since the official announcement was made in the Speech from The Throne by the Governor General Sir Cuthbert Sebastian that 2005 would be the last year for harvesting of sugar canes, there has been widespread discussions on the imminent closure of the loss making industry.

Minister Liburd said following discussions with the Ministry of Agriculture and the SSMC, a Transition Office was established with the assistance of the International Institute for Co-operation in Agriculture (IICA), which is financing the Team Leader in the person of Mr. Gordon Alert of Jamaica.

He said the plans that were drawn up for closure of the industry also included plans for the future of a sugar cane industry.

“It has been said that we need to look at using the sugar cane plant for a rum industry, animal feed, the co-generation of electricity and the production of ethanol,” said Minister Liburd. He said the Transition Team has been mandated to carry out feasibility studies to ascertain the viability of those projects.

Non-sugar agriculture will play an important role in the diversification of this sector and over 1,500 acres of land has been distributed to farmers for food crop and livestock production aimed at providing more fruits, vegetables and meat for local and overseas consumption.

He said a Marketing Study, presented by the Caribbean Agricultural Development Institute (CARDI) has outlined the steps to be taken to achieve these goals.

The SSMC Transition Team has been holding meetings with sugar workers in island wide town hall meetings over the past several months.

Following the completion of negotiations on the redundancy of the sugar workers between the St. Kitts-Nevis Trades and Labour Union and the St. Kitts Sugar Manufacturing Corporation (SSMC), union officials held meetings with workers on the field side of the sugar industry at Tabernacle and the Verchilds High School at 8:30 A.M. and 10:00 A.M. respectively on Friday.

Field workers from St. Peters and factory employees will meet with the officials of the Union at 9:00 A.M. on Saturday 23rd July at the Factory Social Centre.

St. Kitts and Nevis Prime Minister Dr Denzil Douglas and other Cabinet Ministers will meet all sugar workers at 3:00 P.M. at the Factory Social Centre on Tuesday 26th July. Minister Liburd, along with other officials of the Union and the SSMC, are expected to attend the meeting.

The St. Kitts Sugar Industry began losing money in 1980. Since the mid-1980's, the industry has been importing overseas cane cutters to harvest the sugar crop. This year some 232 cane cutters from Guyana and 75 from the Dominican Republic have been recruited. Only 60 locals are cane cutters are on the pay roll.

A SSMC Sugar Transition Team has been installed and has been holding discussions with the St. Kitts-Nevis Trades and Labour Union on severance and other benefits for the workers. Team members as well as officials from the Ministry of Social Development

and the Department of Labour have had extensive discussions island-wide with workers on the exit strategy from sugar. Highest priority is being given to the re-training and re-orientation and assistance to the workers.

A Ministerial Committee of the Cabinet also liaise with the Transition Team and provides a weekly update to the Cabinet.

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Mr Brantley should be more rigorous in his analysis

Thursday, October 26, 2006

I just read with interest Mr Brantley's commentary about alleged abuse meted out to Guyanese by their Caribbean brothers and sisters.

Permit me a few observations.

There are two major racial groups in Guyana; those of African heritage and those of East Indian. The latter group were brougt into the British Empire by the British not just for indentured labour but for the more insidious purpose of being a buffer between the African majority and the European minority.

As such the East Indians enjoyed certain advantages that were denied Africans. Indeed it is alleged that one of the major roles of Barclays Bank in the empire was to provide easy access to capital for Indians while denying it to Africans who wished to establish commercial and industrial enterprises. The experience in Africa and to a lesser degree in the Caribbean would appear to bear out that observation.

Whatever one may think of Idi Amin, at the time of his forced exodus of East Indians from Uganda, he had the support of the Ugandans because, with the help of the British, Ugandans had been shut out of commercial activity by the stranglehold on the economy

by East Indians who despised the Ugandans and flaunted their position in the face of the Ugandans.

Today the descendants of those East Indians in Guayana and the Caribbean, continue to believe that they are superior to those of African descent. Indeed on a recent visit to Nevis where I was born I observed and learned that Nevisians, a normally hospitable people, were, for the first time in their history, expressing concern over the presence of the East Indian Guyanese. And the reason? Because some of the East Indian Guyanese had expressed the opinion that Nevisians did not know how to run their own country and that they would soon take it over and do so for them. I doubt anyone could continue feeling charitable toward a guest who dispised your hospitality.

The evidence suggests that for whatever reasons, Guyanese of Indian descent have proven to be less inclined to adapt and accept the Caribbean homes to which they have been forced in order to earn a living. Their attitudes toward the African majorities are responsible in large measure for the backlash they presently experience throughout the region.

As a lawyer, Mr Brantley appreciates that a case is built on distinguishing the points at issue. It is disingenious of him to speak of Guyanese and ignore the distinctions that do exist and the behaviours that flow therefrom.

Charity does begin at home but Mr Brantley should be more rigorous in his analysis of the challenges East Indian Guyanese face, challenges brought about in large measure by their attitudes and behaviour.

Thank you.

CE Huggins