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Podcast #267 can-destroy-your-health-natural-remedies-for-ulcers-the-best-kind-of-garlic-to-use- and-much-more/ [0:00:00] Introduction: In today’s episode of the Ben Greenfield fitness podcast: How Root Canals Can Destroy Your Health, Natural Remedies for Stomach Ulcers, The Best Kind Of Garlic To Use, How to Get Rid Of Car Sickness, How Long Should You Rest After Interval Training, What Supplements To Use Before Workouts, and How To Train For An Ultramarathon? Brock: Some I’m kinda in a bit of a grizzly bear kinda mood today. Ben: Grizzy bear kinda mood? Brock: Yeah kinda grumpy. Ben: Eating berries and hibernating or? Brock: Yeah I wish I was hibernating. I started the day off. I leapt into work for like 2 hours solid. Got doing amazing work, feeling really good about it and then the computer decided to just delete everything. So I lost my first 2 hours of the day. Ben: But I least you leapt in work. I like to imagine you up there in Canada kinda jumping out of bed, clicking your heels together... Brock: Yeah, I do that everyday. Ben: You sleep in your shiny black boots that you could just leap into the air with and click your heels and off to work. Brock: Shiny black boots and that’s all. Ben: Whistling. And you have background noise like to do in that Family Guy episode where it’s kinda like you see, it’s the travel episode in Family Guy wherever he goes he got his travel background. Brock: Don’t be depressed. Mine is sung by a choir of mountees. Ben: So this morning just in case people care, I’m actually monitoring my stress during the entire podcast so if you hear me stop and I go into

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  • Podcast #267 [0:00:00] Introduction: In todays episode of the Ben Greenfield fitness podcast: How Root Canals Can Destroy Your Health, Natural Remedies for Stomach Ulcers, The Best Kind Of Garlic To Use, How to Get Rid Of Car Sickness, How Long Should You Rest After Interval Training, What Supplements To Use Before Workouts, and How To Train For An Ultramarathon? Brock: Some Im kinda in a bit of a grizzly bear kinda mood today. Ben: Grizzy bear kinda mood? Brock: Yeah kinda grumpy. Ben: Eating berries and hibernating or? Brock: Yeah I wish I was hibernating. I started the day off. I leapt into work for like 2 hours solid. Got doing amazing work, feeling really good about it and then the computer decided to just delete everything. So I lost my first 2 hours of the day. Ben: But I least you leapt in work. I like to imagine you up there in Canada kinda jumping out of bed, clicking your heels together... Brock: Yeah, I do that everyday. Ben: You sleep in your shiny black boots that you could just leap into the air with and click your heels and off to work. Brock: Shiny black boots and thats all. Ben: Whistling. And you have background noise like to do in that Family Guy episode where its kinda like you see, its the travel episode in Family Guy wherever he goes he got his travel background. Brock: Dont be depressed. Mine is sung by a choir of mountees. Ben: So this morning just in case people care, Im actually monitoring my stress during the entire podcast so if you hear me stop and I go into
  • like deep breathing, box breathing stress control mode is because I freaked myself out. Im using this new... Brock: Thats it. Im gonna try and freak you out the entire episode. Ben: Im actually interested to see how I respond. Ive been tracking everything this morning from my cup of coffee to my cold shower to hanging out with my kids using this Vital Connect patch that you wear all day long and it feeds data from your heart into your iPhone and it tracks your heart rate variability during the day so its like waterproof, its exercise proof so right now... Brock: Are you, are we allowed to talk about that? I thought it was a secret? Ben: I have no clue. But I just got one in the mail in the morning... Brock: Yeah, I tried it out a few weeks ago. It was really fun but since its in beta. Thats all well say about it. Ben: Well I can tell you right now, my heart rate is at 58 and my heart rate variability is on 83 right now so Im mildly stressed out just talking to you. We should probably stop. Brock: Alright. Talk to you later. News Flashes: Brock: has all this stuff that we talk about as usual. The show notes are very detailed and especially the news flashes section. Ben: The news flashes. And Im always... Brock: Ripe with links. Ben: On Im telling you the latest and the greatest and here are a few things that came out this week. The first is for those of you out there doing these fasted exercise sessions. Brock: I did one this morning. Ben: Did you? Brock: Yeah.
  • Ben: Was it the jumping out of bed and leaping? Brock: And with the mountees chasing me? Ben: And the computer? Holding your computer overhead and smashing it to the ground for people... Brock: Thats... I will, once this podcast is done. Ben: So in this study they gave folks an amino acid of carbohydrate mix while they were exercising specifically weight training and found that it did not alter fat utilization and it actually increased the energy expenditure or the metabolism after the workout. And that make it... Brock: So it did not alter the fat utilization in that it didnt enhance or decrease? Ben: It didnt make you burn any less fat when you did something like the old school body builder approach of walking around the gym with the milk pitcher full of energy drink and amino acids. But it actually increased metabolism. It kinda keeps the body in its anabolic state. The reason I mentioned this study which just came out is that its good information for people going out there and beating up their bodies with these long fasted workouts thinking its gonna put your body into fat burning mode the rest of the day. And the fact is, if youre gonna go out and do something hard like a resistance training session, or a hard interval session, a lot of times its better to send your message, a message to your body that energy is available for that type of workout. [0:05:03.6] And its why in most routines that I prescribe, any hard workouts are done in a fed or a snacked state and most then of like the easy, kinda hunter gatherer, trekking, easy cardio, aerobic, yoga, that type or workouts are okay in a fasted state but this research kinda backs up the fact that it is indeed not gonna really be bad for fat loss or for fat oxidation or for metabolism if youre eating while youre working out. In this case they were taking in about 5-10 grams or so of amino acids and I believe they were getting in close to about 200-250 calories or so of carbohydrates as well. Brock: Holy smokes.
  • Ben: So I think you can... Brock: Thats some serious carb. Ben: I would have loved to have seen them done this, do this study and also include an amino acid group without the carbohydrates because that I think can allow you to keep your metabolism elevated, go really hard but experience less of a surge in blood glucose so you know, doing something like a 5-10 grams of an amino acid powder or capsule kinda mixed into your drink that you have at the gym or doing the hard interval session. I suspect that the need for carbohydrates especially like in a fat-adapted athlete is probably not quite as necessary but regardless, interesting study. Brock: Yeah, very cool. Ben: Another one, and this was something I tweeted out. I believe it was yesterday but it was another sleep hack stack. I think it was last week we talked about lucid dreaming and how you could initiate lucid dreaming by taking high dose melatonin like 15-20 milligrams of melatonin and mixing that with some neurotransmitter precursors specifically the recommendation last week was 300 milligrams of 5 HTP and 3,000 of tyrosine. So heres one thats not going to put you into that lucid dreaming state or even leave you that groggy in the morning but that really relaxes you for a nap or for kinda going to bed at night. If you happen to be the kind of person whose mind races to deal with like anxiety, thinking about the day and things like that before you go to bed, heres 3 things you can mix together. You can just out this in a little glass of ice water or whatever. You can mix it up with some magnesium if youre a pretty bad magnesium drinker. It is passion flower which weve talked about before and these are all just give them a little dropper extracts off Amazon or whatever and well put links in the show notes. Brock: Passion flower is the stuff that you were suggesting at one point to take if you wake up in the middle of the night, having trouble getting back to sleep. Ben: Yeah exactly so it causes your brain to release gamma aminobutyric acid whereas if you just take a gamma amino aminobutyric acid supplement thats actually not all that efficacious or if it is efficacious, that means its crossing the blood-brain barrier and you have a leaky blood-brain barrier. So GABA, Im not a huge fan of, is pretty bad but passion flower I am. I mixed this with a natural relaxant of valerian
  • root which will also get in extract form so you get a dropper full of passion flower, you get a dropper full of valerian root and then finally, you put in the Hawaiians version of marijuana, thats that natural muscle relaxant, mood stabilizer kava kava which you can actually get. A lot of people dont realize this, just like off of Amazon in this little dropper bottles and you mix kava kava, valerian root, passion flower, you do that about 15 minutes before you go to bed and you can put them straight into your mouth or you can just put them in a little bit of water and then youll be sleeping like a baby in sawing logs, forgetting all your worries. Brock: Now this doesnt have anything because this doesnt have melatonin or any serotonin blockers or anything you know. This wouldnt shut down anything like this would be safe to use for longer periods? Ben: Yeah. These are all natural herbal relaxants so theres no playing around with neurotransmitters, with hormones, anything like that. Its just kinda really supernatural so kava kava, valerian root, passion flower. Ill link to some of my favourite kinda 2 ounce portions off at Amazon which is enough to last you about 30-60 days depending on how often you are inducing that deep sleep so and then the final thing that I wanted to mention was a really cool video that I think folks will get a kick out of. The study itself was a little dumb so Brock have you seen the lizard that can run on water? Brock: Yeah, I love that little guy. Ben: Yeah, so on planet earth there are a few actual species that have legs that can also run on water like water strider insects, theres some aquatic birds, and theres some lizards, and they just came out with this study where they put these specially made fins on humans and had them run in like really on water. [0:10:00.2] And the only caveat to this study was they actually put them in like a lower gravity state meaning they were slightly suspended from a harness and theyre trying to see like how heavy they could get humans before they started to sink while running with this especially made fins. The reason I tweeted it is the video itself is pretty amazing cause this dude is just like running on water barely suspended, wearing these fins that look just like the feet of this ballast lizard that runs on water. For any of you runners out there, this is kind of a cool one to go check out so its got a bunch of geeky physics information
  • during most of the study but if you scroll down to the bottom of the study that Ill link to at, turns out you can actually run on water wearing these specially made fins. Brock: That is super cool. Ive always wanted to do that. Ben: Yes. Yes. Brock: Oddly enough. Ben: That Jesus complex. Brock: Why was Jesus running? Ben: Walking. Brock: Whats he so scared of? Ben: I dont think he wore fins though. So anyways though, before we lose all of our Biblical listeners, we have to move on. Special Announcements: Brock: I went to Tulum a few years ago and its a gorgeous gorgeous location, beautiful place and I hear youre gonna be heading down there in March. Ben: Tulum, Mexico and the reason Im mentioning this is I would like to get as many Ben Greenfield Fitness folks down there as possible so its a quick trip down to Tulum, Mexico and this is gonna be me and Jessa, Mark Sisson, Robb Wolf, Cate Shanahan whos the nutritionist for the LA Lakers whos got the entire LA Lakers team on kinda like a paleo primal low carb high fat diet, Darryl Edwards the fitness explorer guy who has been on this podcast before, a bunch of kinda big wigs on like the whole paleo/primal/ancestral health community. Were gonna be spending 6 days down there in Tulum, Mexico teaching fitness classes, doing lectures, exploring the Mayan ruins, doing like beach time, hanging out in the sun, having awesome luxurious healthy meals, healthy approved meals, and its just gonna be a chance for folks to come and hang out with a lot of us you probably listen to in podcast or you read in books you know like Mark Sisson and Robb Wolf and you know myself and just a chance to come kick it with us in Mexico so thats coming up pretty soon. Its March 1st through the 6th but if you want a quick getaway and you want really
  • to be inspired for the rest of the year and to really ensure that your getaway is super healthy, well put a link in the show notes to go over to PrimalCon Vacation Mexico 2014 and if you tell them that Ben Greenfield sends you or that you heard it on the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast, youll get all star treatment. I have spoken with the folks over at PrimalCon and they are very much looking forward to getting as many Ben Greenfield folks there as possible so if that describes you, head over to the show notes and check it out. Brock: Sounds pretty cool. But you know what I really need? I need something that will undo all the badness I did to myself over the holidays. Ben: Youre doing such a good job giving me like these segues to just launch straight into the next special announcement. Youd think we planned this out almost? January 12. Brock: People know better than that. Ben: Have I got something for you or what Brock? How to Detox your Body for the New Year. Jessa and I are gonna teach an hour long seminar this weekend. The weekend this podcast comes out. January 12th which is this Sunday night, you can grab a little glass of wine, some dark chocolate, your toxic beverage or snack of choice and head in to learn how to detox your body for the New Year. Were gonna do that at 6:30 Pacific, 9:30 Eastern. Its recorded for all of our Inner Circle members and its part of the Inner Circle but you can check it out now over in the show notes or at so check that one out of you wanna detox your body for the new year and if you dont wanna detox your body for the new year, you should come anyways because we might talk about entertaining things like colonics and enemas and way over right now, all of that fun stuff. Ben: I just wanna ask, is it like one of these things like you have to go and spend 3 days like only drinking I dont know, grape, fruit juice with chi and pepper in it? Ben: No actually... Brock: That kinda thing. Ben: You dont have to drink anything at all, its just basically coffee enemas. thats, I just gave away the entire workshop. Everybody gets a tube shipped to them and we do week long coffee enemas.
  • [0:15:00.4] Speaking of coffee enemas, my brand new book is shipping here in the next month and there is... Brock: Leave the segues up to me man. Ben: Nothing about the coffee enemas in the entire book but we are giving away over 5000 dollars in swag for pre orders on the book and you can order 1, you can order 5, you can order 10 and you just get a bunch of swag from a variety of different folks like sensorium is sending out some tikis and weve got a bunch of stuff from Mount Capra nutrition and weve got some exercise gear. Im looking behind me in my office cause its like all here just like piled in my office, ready to be shipped out. So you can visit if you wanna get in on that. The official book is gonna arrive at your doorstep the first week of March a long with all of your swag if you are one of our lucky raffle winners so check that out and I think that about wraps up oh, stay tuned for the iTunes review at the end of this podcast because somebodys getting one of the lucky, the brand new, well the packets arent lucky but the one who gets it is. Tech shirt, a beanie, and a super clean, toxin free Ben Greenfield Fitness water bottle to our top iTunes review for the week so stay tuned towards the end if you left a review and well ship you out some gear. And if you wanna get gear for yourself, head over to and see what surprises await you. Listener Q&A: Brock: Well its been a while since we answered any written questions at all. Ben: Should we explain why we actually not playing listener questions? Brock: Sure. We may as well. I own up to the fact that this was not a planned thing. This is just what happens when my life changes. Ben: Im supposed to be in New York right now and my flight was cancelled due to poor weather so we originally planned on me doing this podcast solo and just reading listener questions because Im an idiot and I cant figure out how to do all the special audio stuff that Brock does. Instead though, Im at home in Spokane and snowed in so Brock would be reading this weeks listener questions rather than our usual practice of playing the listener audios so Brock will of course Im sure put his own spin on each persons accent and voice so
  • that you can picture in your head. I guess out first question is from Steve so Brock can simulate Steves voice or he could just read in his usual sing-songy Brocky voice, I guess. Brock: Is that... Am I really sing-songy? Ben: Pretty sing-songy dude. Brock: I had no idea. Ben: You think the sing-songy Canadian? Brock: Alright. Well okay, here we go Steve. Steve says whats your take on root canals? I have seen and read a lot of info by Dr. Mercola saying how bad they are. Ben: It was a really bad idea. Brock: Yeah. You started it. Okay. Whats your take on root canals? Ive seen a lot of info by Dr. Mercola saying how bad they are. What are my options? Zirconia implant? Not cubic zarconia that they make? Ben: Not cubic zarconia. Brock: Extraction, partial, like this. I really dont wanna be toothless but I do wanna be healthy. Please help. Ben: Steve. Toothless but healthy. Root canals are bad news. There is a really good book that you can read called Root Canal Cover-Up. Ill link to it in the show notes but the idea behind root canals is that there is this guy that weve talked about before in the podcast that is named Dr. Weston A. Price and he did a lot of very interesting epidemiological research and travelling around the world, looking into the effects of root canals on things like neurological disease and auto-immune condition and found that root canals and specifically the tiny little canals that remain even after the root of the tooth has been filled, they end up being havens for some really nasty bacteria. So what happens is you get this necrotic dead tissue left in the tooth, no matter how thorough the actual root canal itself is, and that harves or harbors anaerobic bacteria and these multiply and they produce what are called endotoxins and endotoxins can reap some pretty nasty havoc. They actually produce this type of thing called a Hampton...
  • [0:20:01.3] ... and a hampton is this tiny little molecule that illicit an immune response meaning your body recognizes it as non-self and this happens when protein or a metal like mercury for example which youre gonna find in a lot of these older fillings, what happens is the actual bacteria adheres to this large molecule and the body initiates this enormous immune response against that hampton and that can create some serious neurological issues so multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrigs disease, a lot of other autoimmune diseases and neurological conditions have been linked to root canals and to mercury fillings because of that. And this book goes into it in pretty good detail but the main idea here is that there are so many of these tiny canals that are called dentin tubules that are left over after that tooth has been filled that harvest or harbor all these bacteria. They, bacteria basically get trapped inside the structure of your teeth, they wind up migrating for your body, they can infect organs, they can infect your glands, they can infect the issues, damage the heart, the kidneys, the joint, the eyes, the brain, and its pretty bad news bears. And this book Root Canal Cover-Up goes into it in pretty good detail. Now Steve mentioned zirconium and theres certainly are metal implants that are less reactive than mercury, less likely to react with this bacteria that are certainly an option if youre seeking out a root canal. There are also some other kind of options as far as like alternatives to root canals. One would be this new filler that theyre using for root canal procedures that tends to be more able to kinda get its way into a lot of these tiny tunnels where the bacteria tend to live so traditional root canals usually use a rubber sealer and that sealer is toxic, it can react with moisture from the canal, it can cause the seal to break at the bottom of the canal and that allows a lot of these bacterial infections to develop. Now some of the newer materials, that like a biocompatible dentist, is gonna use, or whats called a holistic dentist is a calcium hydroxide sealer and a calcium hydroxide sealer actually stimulates the formation of new bone and it does a little bit better job sealing off some of these accessory canals, some of these smaller tubules, where the bacteria tend to fill during a root canal. Theres a specific brand called Bee Sealer that you could talk to your dentist about and your dentist is likely not gonna have any clue about this unless they are holistic dentists or somebody who has accepted the fact that root canals could be dangerous and they did an interesting study recently in the American Society of Microbiology that found that this particular material does a really good job of destroying pathogenic bacteria so you could get a root canal and just use like an alternative filler, whats called a bio-compatible filler. The other
  • option is to remove the tooth and if you remove the tooth you can get whats called a fixed bridge which combines the crown on the teeth to each side of the missing tooth with this false tooth that basically bridges the gap and even though its not your tooth in your mouth, this can get rid of some of the you know, aesthetic downsides of being toothless so thats one alternative is to do a bridge and you can get a lot of holistic dentists doing a bridge. Its the least expensive option if you do like a removable bridge. You can also get a fixed bridge. And then you can also do an implant. These zirconia implants they actually contain no metal but they do require a lot of bone removal and they require sometimes other surgeries if the actual root canal is close to the sinus cavity. Its probably got the highest risk compared to a fixed bridge, a removable bridge, or a biocompatible root canal. So what Im gonna do for Steve is Im gonna put a link in the show notes to where you can go to find a biological dentist like I go to a guy here in Spokane, took me 5 minutes to find him, to research him. You know took a little bit longer than that. I believe I used Angies list when I first visited him and he ended up being a good guy. Hes where I go to for my teeth cleaning especially like filters in the office to get rid of toxins, uses like biocompatible materials and its called a biological dentist or holistic dentist. Now if you had mercury at any point in your mouth, I would highly recommend that you do a metal detox and the problem with metal detoxes, I talked about this before in the show is that if youve got a buildup of metals in your body, lead, arsenic, mercury, etc. And this can be from vaccinations, it can be from root canals, from dental work, etcetera, if you use the average kinda metal detox type of compound, theyre all made of what are called chelators and these chelators, they include things like EDETA and DMPS. [0:25:15.6] They bind to heavy metals but they bind to it via a relatively weak bond and so what happens is that theyll bind to one area of your body and then theyll drop it off to another area of your body and that can be again, bad news, if that other area of your body is an area where the metal is simply being passed via usually your stool, the removal of your bowel. Sometimes... Brock: Yeah, its like through chelation takes like a complete bond to it and then eventually goes both things are released from your body. Ben: Exactly.
  • Brock: You pee it out. Ben: Thats true chelation but most metal chelators do not do that and the big issue here is if metals get deposited in your brain, or cross that blood-brain barrier, thats a big issue and it can cause some serious neuronal damage. So the type of chelator you wanna look for is whats called a peptide chelator and what these do is that the peptide surround the metal so it wont get dropped off and cause trouble elsewhere in your body. The bond is really tight and allows the metal to be removed via your body via hair or stool and probably the best one I can recommend for you, Ill put it in the show notes. Theres one called Metal-Free. Its a spray. I do it once a year. I do 15-30 days of metal free metal chelation just because you know, you get exposed to metal I mean freakin like cars driving on roads breaking release a bunch of tiny little metals particles into the air and I mean just living by the side of a road or if youre a runner who runs beside like a highway or a busy road... Brock: Im a bicycle commuter. Ben: Yup. That automatically puts you into the category of somebody who needs to do chelation therapy so you dont have to have a mercury filling in your mouth to kinda qualify for this type of thing. So thats another thing to look into and then finally, you know I talked about Weston A. Price but one of the things that you need to realize is that Weston A. Price when he was figuring out kinda how to overcome a lot of these issues with root canals and not only the cavitations or the areas of unhealed bone left over but also the anaerobic bacteria formation and the toxins and the endotoxins produced by dying bacteria, a big part of what he did was nutritional therapy. In really making through the diet of the person who have had the root canal or have the dying tooth was changed up and by that I mean that a big part of Weston A. Prices diet was of course eliminating processed sugars like especially foods that have white sugars, drinking lots of raw milk from pasteurized animals because of the natural antibacterial effect of that as well as raw butter, doing lots of high quality proteins like you know, sashimi and wild fish and beef and things of that nature and then avoiding flower products and grains temporarily as the tooth infection heals up. You could go google Weston A. Price diet and kinda get a pretty good look. Theres also a really good book out there called Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon and that entire cookbook is based off the Weston A. Price diet but ultimately, you know, those are some of the alternatives I guess one of their alternative I didnt talk about as far as root canals go is theyll use in
  • some cases like a low electric voltage basically zapping and killing the bacteria in the toothache and then also some dentist will use a laser again to penetrate and kill the bacteria, thats a little bit less common than doing like an alternative filler or doing a bridge so hopefully that gives you some option Steve and I would steer clear of root canals and if you need any convincing than that read the Root Canal Cover-up Book because its pretty shocking. Brock: Shocking. I think its been awhile since we mentioned the word laser. Ben: Lasers, we have to squeeze that in although I didnt use my doctor evil voice unfortunately, Ill save that for later. Brock: Okay, alright Im gonna channel Ana, what does Ana sound like? Ben: Dude, just read the freaking question. Brock: I have a question regarding stomach ulcer, Ive got one and I was wondering if you could tell me what I should do to fix the problem? Ben: Thats a pretty direct question. Brock: Nice and straight forward. So much Ana. Ben: Stomach ulcers are interesting, Theres a really... I dont know if youve heard about this story Brock but there was a really interesting story behind stomach ulcers and also treatment. There was this guy named Dr. Barry Marshall back in the day and he had this theory that theres actually a bacteria responsible for stomach ulcers and all of his medical colleagues branded him as crazy and so what he ended up eventually doing was just like swallowing a bunch of helicobacter pylori or H-pylori bacteria to prove his hypothesis that H-pylori was a major cause of ulcers. [0:30:07.4] And of course he immediately got ulcers and was in great deal of discomfort and the reason for that is that H-pylori, this bacteria produces chemicals that damage your stomachs mucosal lining and allow these breaks and allowing to form and then these breaks become vulnerable to erosion by your stomachs own acid and by your gastric juices and it is really is one of the leading causes of ulcers. A lot of people think that ulcers are from too much stomach acid. Its not from too much stomach acid its from the mucosal lining of the
  • stomach wearing away usually from something like H-pylori and then the stomach acid is able to eat its way in the places where its not supposed to be. Now you can get tested for H-pylori, there are breath test for H-pylori for example H-pylori has this enzyme called urease and that breaks down urea in the stomach to ammonia and carbon dioxide and so you can do a breath test and what it does is they actually give you a special urea solution thats chemically labelled so it can be traced and so if the H-pylori in your stomach breaks down the labelled urea into ammonia and carbon dioxide, the carbon dioxide is also labelled so that you can detect that in your breath. So thats one easy way to test for H-pylori. You can do a blood test as well, a lot of times your body will recognize H-pylori bacteria and produce antibodies against it and those anti-bodies are detectible in the blood. And probably for a little bit more invasive procedure, you can actually get a biopsy for h-pylori and thats literally where they put a tube down into your mouth and into your stomach and remove a little piece of your stomach lining and then test that for h-pylori so.... Brock: Ouch! Ben: Yeah! And you can also with some test like the GI effects panel, the stool test, that will sometimes detect h-pylori but its not quite as effective as doing like a breath test..... Brock: And where is that one from? Ben: You can just get that from like Direct Labs. Most of the meda metrics panels are the genova panels, they call now for testing your gastrointestinal system. Its basically the poop test they run on all my clients. That will sometimes detect h-pylori but it just kinda depends. Anyways though, as far as what to do if you have h-pylori, there are few different fixes for it so one is apple cider vinegar. Actually works pretty well with h-pylori so that would be doing just like 1-2 shots of apple cider vinegar in the morning, another couple of shots in the afternoon, another couple of shots before you go to bed at night. Another thing that you can do shots of to fight and prevent h-pylori is actually.... Brock: I love doing shots right before bed. Ben: ....extra virgin olive oil and extra virgin olive oil has some really good anti-bacterial effects specifically against h-pylori. Now, I actually Im part of this club called the Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club. They send 3
  • bottles of olive oil to my house every quarter from like a different area in the world like Australia or Chile or this last one is from Italy. Brock: You really know how to party, dont you? Ben: Well, thats what Im getting at. You can do olive oil tasting, its actually kinda interesting. Its somewhere a wine and that you start to recognize the flavors and the aromas and whether an olive oil is herbaceous or sweet or smoky, etc. but you can also make drinks out of olive oil and what Ill do is take a shot of olive oil and put that like in a martini shaker and then Ill take a really nice vodka like a gregus and put 1-2 shots of that in there, squeeze a lemon, do a little bit of olive juice, so its kind of like a dirty martini with a splash of olive oil and then Ill just strain that into a martini glass, sprinkle a little bit of sea salt on there, garnish with an olive and its olive oil vodka martini and it taste fantastic like the olive oil adds this splash of flavor that you dont get in a regular martini and the mouth feel, like youd think it be like oily but its actually got this really cool kinda mouth feel, its a very enjoyable drink. Anyone who hasnt tried an olive oil martini before should try one. Brock: Thats really, that sounds really weird but Im intrigued. Ben: Its good but I digress. H-pylori, so olive oil and apple cider vinegar can work pretty well. Another thing that works well is a high dose vitamin C like you could go, theres really good form of vitamin C. Vitamin C is fantastic for adrenal fatigue, its fantastic for immune function but it can also have some pretty good effects on this h-pylori and theres a brand called Natural Vitality, it comes with a little scooper, 1 little scooper of that stuff is 4,000 mg of vitamin C but its this whole foods highly absorbable form of vitamin C unlike what you get in like an airborne you know, or one of these common drug store vitamin C like effervescent powder type of supplement and this stuff just pure really absorbable vitamin C. [0:35:23.2] It was recommended to me by Dr. David Minkoff, hes the same guy who makes that metal free formula I was talking about earlier. So high dose vitamin C like around 5,000 mg or so on a day can also work for h-pylori. And then the other thing, and I had h-pylori once and this is what I used and it worked really well because I tested and then I re-tested at the end of 30 days it was gone and I used something called Mastic Gum. Theres a variety of studies you can
  • find on PubMed about the anti-bacterial effect of mastic gum on hpylori. You can get mastic gum off of like Amazon, its just a supplement. What you do is, you take it a couple of times a day its 1-2 capsules a couple of times once a day and that can knock h-pylori out of the park so thats another solution that Id recommend is to look into mastic gum thats what I used. And then the other thing and well talk about this later on I think in the podcast is garlic. Well geek out in garlic later on so thats another suggestion that I would make if this is h-pylori related. The other thing that ulcers can be caused by stress in addition to h-pylori and sometimes it can be a 1-2 combo of both because in many cases stress makes us more susceptible to bacterial infection, parasite infection, things of that nature. I have a really good article on my top seven ways to reduce stress in a nutshell theyre journaling, breathing, meditation, yoga, whats called coherence or heart rate variability training which is what Im doing right now as we speak and then sleep. So you can go and read an article where Im going to each of those really potent stress control strategies but reducing stress and getting adequate sleep thats sounds kinda dumb but that can actually have a really good effect against kinda protecting you from ulcer formation the first place. So I would do that and speaking of stress, Im gonna grab my little phone here and suit my stresses like Brock. Brock: Alright. Okay. Ill try.... Ben: Okay, Ill see the breath pacers starting going off as I was pointing that question which means that question somehow stressed me out. Interesting. So my heart rate variability though is actually at 96 right now. Brock: Wow! Ben: Its good. Brock: I never hit, I rarely hit 90 even when Im like completely relaxed, lying in bed, thinking glorious thoughts. Ben: My heart rate is at 50, interesting. Cool! Alright, well lets keep churning through these things. Brock: Okay, Brian is next. Oh yeah, this is the girly question that youre alluding to. Brian says, My name is Brian. Awesome. Im a firm believer in garlic raw and supplemental form. Im wondering what is
  • the best brand of garlic and what should I look for in the supplement? Ben: The best brand of garlic, before.... Brock: I think breathe would be a better.... Ben: Thats breathe, before I give you some garlic recommendations, the idea behind garlic is its got some really cool anti-bacterial activity and fresh naturally grown raw garlic is best honestly like if youre gonna use anything its best to just keep fresh cloves on your counter to break them open, to use them in your cooking, to allow them to get heated up and exposed to air a little bit before some of the other things that youre cooking with like onions or meat or other vegetables because the active component of garlic specifically whats called allicin needs a little bit of time and a little bit of exposure to oxygen to become basically activated. Using fresh naturally grown raw garlic on your kitchen counter is good but lets face it, a lot of times we cant travel with that sometimes there are some breath issues or some social issues with constantly having a raw garlic seeping out of your pores. So the idea behind garlic supplement as an alternative to this is that even though supplements can have this same active anti-bacterial component, allicin in them it really depends on the growing conditions of the garlic, the type of fertilizer they used on the garlic, the processing method they use, the quality control during manufacturing. Garlic supplements, theyre usually made by slicing garlic and then drying it at a low temperature and the reason they dry it at a low temperature is so that the alynase in the garlic doesnt get destroyed because alynase is the enzyme that causes garlic to be able to form Allicin, which is again that active component of garlic that we want in high amounts. [0:40:03.7] So once the garlic has been sliced and dried its then pulverized essentially into a powder and they form it into tablets and in order to meet the standards that are set by US Pharmacopeia which is the group that develops the quality standards for prescription, over the counter drugs, dietary supplements pretty much anything sold in the United States for this example. The powder has to contain at least 0.3% allium and allium is the precursor to allicin. Now manufacturers process their supplements differently, they label their supplements differently and so some tablets dont contain any allicin but they just contain the allium which theoretically gets converted to allicin but if
  • the supplement actually doesnt have an allicin potential statement on it then you have no actual confirmation that its gonna get converted that the allium is gonna get converted to active allicin in the supplement. Now the other thing that happens is that that enzyme thats responsible for converting allium into allicin, thats get destroyed by stomach acid in many cases so what a good garlic supplement would do is they coat the supplement they do whats called enteric coating to keep it from dissolving until it reaches your small intestine and some supplement will use a good enteric coating and some will not but they actually report on the bottle is the allicin release which is a measurement that shows how much the supplement actually produces once it gets into the digestive tract and very few manufacturers are actually list that measurements on their labels so what you have to look for when youre shopping for garlic supplement if youre gonna use garlic and again it has really good anti-bacterial effect, its great for blood pressure as well. You wanna look for whats called a standardization statement, and when a product supplement in any category standardized that means is has a certain amount of specific ingredients so for example oil of oregano, is one of my favourite kind of natural immune boosters, anti-bacterial, anti-viral, if you order oil of oregano from, you get emailed to you the laboratory certificate of analysis which is essentially the standardization statement for the oil of oregano stating that it has 72% plus of carvacrol content which is the active content that actually allows the oil of oregano to be efficacious. So when youre looking at garlic usually you wanna look for something that contains at least 1.3% allium which is the precursor to allicin so thats what youre looking for the standardization statement in the garlic supplement. So now that you know that youre looking for 1.3% allicin, youre looking for stardardized garlic and preferably some kind of a tablet that allows it to kind of avoid the acidic environment of your stomach and windup in your digestive system. There are few brands specifically on Amazon that fall into this category. One would be called omami garlic, o-m-a-m-i thats a standardized and deodorized garlic tablet thats enteric coated, that would be one. Brock: Its deodorized. Ben: Deodorized, which is a big plus. Theres another one.... Brock: It is! It sounds that it involved a lot of processing. Ben: It may, I dont know how much processing goes into the deodorization process for garlic but its gonna pay dividends if you
  • windup going on a date or say you need to kiss up to somebody. Natures Way Garlicin is another good one and theres one made by a company called Vita Logic. So omami, natures way or vita logic but ultimately your best bet is gonna be to just natural raw garlic on your kitchen counter and to use that frequently. Brock: Very cool! And delicious food doesnt love garlic. Ah okay, so Jacob is, no sorry Betsy is next and Betsy says, Last two times weve attempted mountain trips our almost 3 year old gets really car sick. The drives only about an hour and 3 minutes and shes puked both times, the route isnt too swirly and weve tried the regular advice like roll down the window even though its really cold out and have a light snack before we go, and told her to look out the window and no dice. Still.... Ben: I think its the first time that Ive heard a mountain road described as swirly. Brock: Swirly. Ben: Swirly, maybe use up the next time were driving in the car and tell my wife that its a very swirly road. Brock: Sound dangerous. Ben: It does sound dangerous, so car sickness or motion sickness. A lot of people dont realize this but most common hypothesis for the cause of motion sickness is that your body has mounted this defense mechanism against neuro-toxins. [0:45:08.2] And so what I mean by that, is youve got this area in your brain thats responsible for inducing vomiting when poisons are detected in your body and when youre feeling motion but if youre not seeing motion like if youre, you know, worst case scenario like a boat that doesnt have windows on it. Your inner ear transmits to your brain that it senses motion because youve got this little semi-circular canals in your inner ear that are full of fluid that detect motion but your eyes are telling your brain that everything is still and nothing is moving so you kinda create this discordant scenario where the brain comes to the conclusion that either the ears or the eyes are really messed up and that theres possible poison ingestion or neuro toxicity at play
  • and so the brain responds by inducing vomiting. So thats the hypothesis for why motion sickness... Brock: I guess thats kinda smart. Ben: Yeah, I guess it seems like a weird explanation youd think that theres a better explanation than that for motion sickness but thats kinda prevailing hypothesis. Regardless with cars, there are some definite things that you can do in addition to simply trying to look out the window and allow your eyes to tell your brain that youre actually moving. One thing that really worked well is ginger and Im not sure if theyve experimented with ginger before sometimes with the kid you gotta do like some kind of like a soft ginger candy. Kids may turn down actual boil ginger root even though you can make a nice ginger tea you can take ginger root and you can boil ginger root and you just boil it in water that makes ginger tea then you can put that like in a pitcher in the refrigerator and just have a nice iced ginger tea and if you wanted to sweeten that you can put like a little lemon or honey or stevia or something like that in there and its something that you can use kind of a go to beverage in the car. The reason ginger works is its what called antiemetic and so what that means is that it actually shuts down that nauseous response so theyve done studies everything from sucking on crystallize ginger which are those little dried ginger pieces that you can get at the grocery store or sipping ginger tea and all of that can help to relieve nausea. Theres also been a myth busters actually we did an episode on this, looking into ginger as an effective treatment for motion sickness and it does indeed turn out to actually work. It calms whats called the pyloric valve at the base of your stomach and when that valve relaxes you get a little of that urge to vomit. So, ginger is really good. Another thing you can do with ginger because I actually likes to mix ginger with dark chocolate as an antiinflammatory snack because ginger is very anti-inflammatory and Ill do that sometimes while travelling when I duck into the grocery store, what Ill do is find a really nice dark chocolate bar like I look for 80% plus dark chocolate and then Ill go to the bulk section of the grocery and find those dried like crystallized ginger pieces. Now they tend to be covered in sugar but you can buy the ginger, you know, take into the bathroom or out to a water bowl in a car or whatever and you wash the sugar off the outside so you get rid of all that nasty sweet sugar thats gonna spike your blood glucose and you basically just windup with dried ginger pieces and you break up the dark chocolate and you mix it with the dried ginger and its really nice little snack. So anyways though, Im not sure what the chocolate would do, 2,3 year old Im not sure I would do that but the ginger would definitely
  • something to look into. Peppermint gum for an adult would also work but obviously peppermint gum is not an option for a kid. If you do something with the kid you may want to consider peppermint oil, you can get peppermint essential oil if you shop in a place like Mountain Rose Herbs. Thats one of our favourite places for like organic essential oils, you can get peppermint oil and you just put a few of drops of that into a little glass of water to make a little peppermint water and again you can put stevia and a little bit of honey in that and make like a peppermint water and peppermint similar to ginger can also be a little bit like an antiemetic. So thats something to look into. There are also a couple of other things that you may wanna consider one are these acupressure wrist bands. Now the idea behind acupressures, is can relieve stress, it can relieve nausea if you find that little, if you are listening, now Brock you can try this, if you hold out your index finger and your thumb and theres like that middy portion of flesh between your index finger and your thumb, you can pinch that flesh with your other hand. Its a little bit uncomfortable, that can actually a great way to settle the body down and to relieve stress is just pinching that area and that can also help out with nausea a little bit. There are also some acupressure places on your wrist and thats where these bracelets come in handy, theyve actually got these acupressure wrist bands. [0:50:07.0] Im not sure that they would fit a 3 year old or not, but you can find them at your local pharmacy, Ill put a link to acupressure wrist bands form Amazon in the show notes for this podcast and thats another thing that you could look into is acupressure wrist bands. And then finally theres this device called the View Limiting device. Its made by a company called Viban, this is again something that you can get off of Amazon but what is does is its an eyewear device and its designed to block motion outside the moving vehicle so if youre trying to read in the car or looking at a computer, watch something, what it does is remove all that outside visual stimuli and sometimes it can work with something like motion sickness or car sickness especially if inner ear conflict is not a play and its just like the movement outside thats stopping you. It almost looks like a horse blinder a little bit but its called a Viban View Limiting Device so you can check that out. Ill put a link to it in the show notes for this podcast over at but those are some of the things that I would look in to try on.
  • Brock: Very cool. I wanna try one of those view limiting devices just for the heck of it. I dont get car sick but it might be kinda fun. Ben: I would imagine that it would be highly illegal for the actual driver of the car to wear. So Id be careful for that. Maybe you could tell the cop that pulls you over, I guess its a little mounty up there in Canada and he pulls you over, you can tell him that maybe tell him youre a horse. Its just your blinder. You wanna carrot? Brock: Okay. Next question is from Jacob. Hes a triathlete and he says, Should I do hard intervals in both bike and run workouts in the same day and then make the next day a recovery day? Or besides swimming, keep the intervals to either the bike or the run for that day and then do the intervals in another discipline the next day? So just basically he just wants to know does he need to rest after interval training? Ben: Yeah. Brock: Whether he needs to go straight into the next one. Ben: So with interval training, the important thing you need to realize is its very stressful to your nervous system and a lot of people dont realize this but your nervous system can take anywhere from 4-6 times longer to recover than your muscles so even if youre not sore, and say your calves arent sore anymore from hard intervals base running the day before, a couple of days before, your nervous system might still be recovering and the problem is that most overtraining or adrenal fatigue does not actually result from overtraining of the muscles or excessive breakdown of the muscles that results from over stimulation specifically, typically of the sympathetic nervous system. Kinda like your fight and flight base nervous system. Thats why you can become overtrain so easily... Brock: That makes sense. Ben: .... with interval training and with weight training so its really important that you figure out a way to be able to track the recovery of your central nervous system and when its recovered, whether its a swim interval, a bike interval, a run interval, your nervous system is your nervous system is your nervous system and your body doesnt know if youre running from a lion versus sprinting down a pool so its any interval training not necessarily you don't differentiate from sport to sport. But the idea is that you gotta figure out to test your central
  • nervous system. So the best 2 ways to test your central nervous system, one would be a hand grip test and theyve done some really good studies on this in sports, in professional sports and they found whats called a dynamo meter or a hand grip test is a really great predictor of central nervous system recovery. You can get these easily off at Amazon or you know, a lot of other places are gonna have like hand grip dynanometers and what they do is theyll give you like, theyll tell you can produce whatever, 50 pounds of pressure, 43 pounds of pressure and if youre seeing a fluctuation or a loss of about 5 pounds of pressure on a daily basis, thats a pretty good sign that your central nervous system can still use some recovery. The only exception to that would be, if your muscles havent recovered yet and it was a really hard grip type of workout like dead lifts or pull ups or something along those lines, thats a case where grip strength measurement might not be quite as accurate as doing my other favourite way of tracking your nervous system recovery and that is a heart rate variability which I am doing myself right now as we talk and for that you just use the SweetBeat heart rate variability monitor. This is one of the reasons I measure heart rate variability every single morning before I get out of bed for about 5 minutes to see where my nervous system is at, to see how recovered it is, how ready to train it is and yeah, just a simple 5 minute measurement and it will tell you whether or not your HRV is high and I consider an HRV score thats ready for interval training or heavy weight training to be anything above 80. [0:55:10.3] Thats what you want to wanna look for to really show that your body is truly recovered and ready to do something hard and if you.. . Brock: Isnt that... Thats really dependent on your age. Ben: A little bit dependent on your age and theres no reason.. Ive worked with people who are not hard charging athletes, triathletes, so just like business people who are working out 20, 30 minutes a day who are not beating themselves up, you know, excessively you know, kinda like the CEO type so thats what we look for the type, regardless of age, just going above 80 and a lot of times in like a lot of charging athletes you know, its gonna consistently be lower and thats a problem cause youre always fighting this uphill battle trying to avoid overtraining but in most people, if you can get 80 or above, thats a really good score to shoot for in terms of your heart rate variability and the recovery of your central nervous system so ultimately you got
  • a test and the speed of recovery of the nervous system is going to vary greatly from person to person and you know, thats really making a good point Brock, your nervous system is gonna recover more slowly with age, its gonna recover more slowly depending on the diet that youre eating, its gonna recover more slowly if you have omega-3 fatty acid deficiencies which are really important for milanation, its gonna recover more slowly if you tend to have high HSCRP or high levels of inflammation so theres a lot of things that can affect it that you can take into consideration but I would start by measuring your central nervous system, thats gonna tell you how recovered and ready you are to take on the next interval. Brock: So I guess he should just in the meantime, he gets sort of the testing regime down, would you ever do intervals on the same day? Would you ever suggest doing bike and run intervals? Ben: Yeah, you can definitely pile a bunch onto a day and then take a couple of rest days. And thats a common strategy among some athletes who would do some really hard workout you know, theres some people who would do you know, like 1 a day lifting program and just have that one day be the extremely hard day and be that all the other days be like recovery, repair, movement, mobility, things of that nature and then you get back in, you do a hard workout but you can only throw like a true hard day like that in just 1 or 2 days a week. Brock: There you go. Okay. Alright then, lets move on to Peggahs question and Peggah says, I dont take any pre-workout supplements now and I was wondering if you had any recommendations. I workout usually after sitting at a desk for close to 10 hours and I feel like I would definitely benefit from having additional energy and would love to take something that would help me burn more fat and build more muscle. The caveat of being that Im not training for a triathlon or doing crazy hard workouts. Ben: She kinda answered her won question. Sitting at a desk for close to 10 hours. The number 1 thing you could do for your energy levels would be not to sit so I mean, you can get a standing work station, you can get one of these like, the upright focal furniture that they make this kinda like mogo device that kinda puts you into this half-seated, halfstanding position but sitting is a really good way to put your body into this crouch defensive turtle like hunched over positional all day long and its just a huge energy suck so first of all, you know, whether you install one of these reminder apps on your computer you know, like the stretch reminder app or you know, you use the technique of
  • walking around for 20 minutes, standing around for 5. Whatever it takes to get out of that desk is gonna help tremendously and if your job keeps you chained to a desk for 10 hours in a row and youre not allowed to stand, talk to your boss or switch jobs if this is something thats really important to you. I think that the number of studies done on long periods of time sitting and increased risk of dying are valuminous enough to wear you know, you could easily bring that research to a boss and say hey look, youre killing me here literally. Youre killing me. So as far as supplements go, you know, Ill put a link in the show notes to a recent article that I wrote about timing your vitamins and timing your supplements and one of the things I went into in that article was what supplements I personally take like what Ill do before a very hard workout and I talked about you know, things like X2 Performance and like this oxilo acetate from buffering lactic acid and some kinda more you know, athlete-y kind of supplements but for the average person who just want to kinda hit the gym after work and needs a little bit of extra energy, I do have a few things I would specifically recommend. Number 1 would be Chinese adaptogenic herbs which are gonna increase cortisol when cortisol is low, decrease it when its high, allow your body to have really stabilize energy levels but not put the same hit on your nervous system as like caffeine or a big cup of coffee in the afternoon or an energy drink in the afternoon would. [1:00:11.0] So doing like a packet of TianChi like 2 or 3 in the afternoon can really help with sagging energy levels and TianChi is the one thats kinda handmade and harvested and ingrown in Portland, Oregon. Its super duper high quality, dense supplements about 40 pounds worth of Chinese adaptogenic herbs in one tiny packet of this stuff so thats one that... Brock: Its impossible to pick up and pour into your glass. Its so heavy. Ben: Phenomenal cosmic power. So TianChi would be one. Amino acids, which we talked about earlier in this podcast, those can be a really kick in the pants to get you jumpstarted in the workout especially if youre doing weight training or interval training so theres these capsules called Master Amino pattern capsules, you can pop like 5 maximum 10 of those you know, if youre really a big person of youre doing tough workout or something like that and those you can even combine with like Chinese adaptogeneic herbs like thats a stack that you can use as a pre-workout stack that just gives you a lot of energy
  • again without creating a lot of the health issues in something like a Red Bull or Monster Energy Drink or a big cup of coffee. And then the last thing that you may want to consider and this is again something that when youre sitting, perspiring, maybe its a warm office and youre sweating a little bit, that type of thing for long periods of time, I like trace liquid minerals. Your adrenal glands, some workout, you run out of vitamin c can also run out of minerals pretty easily especially when youre stressed out or youre exercising and so kind of a 1-2-3 combo of adaptogenic herbs, amino acids, and then minerals is something that can work really well. I have over at pacificelitefitness, theres something called a hormone pack, thats really similar whats the ingredients of the hormone pack are and thats something thats designed to stabilize hormonal imbalances via use of the herbs, the minerals, and its like 72 plus different kinds of minerals, not just like you know, sodium and magnesium and the amino acids for restoration of neurotransmitter production, its a really nice 1-2-3 combo so good for hormones and also good for kinda like the person who wants a middle of the day pick me up without a lot of the deleterious effects of an energy drink or you know, some of these fedora type supplements, that type of thing. So those are some of the things I would try out. Adaptogens, amino acids, and minerals would probably be my top 3. Brock: Very cool. Sounds delicious and fun and helpful. Ben: Great adjectives. Brock: Okay, lets move on to our last question from James and James says, Ive been doing triathlons for about 4 years now. I love the endurance side of things but in 2014 Im planning on tackling a different beast. An Ironman in January and a 75k ultramarathon and then a 100k North Face ultramarathon in the mountains. I was wondering if you have any recommendations, yeah, yikes, any recommendations or suggestions for a training regime that would take him from Ironman to ultramarathonman. Ben: Thats a lot of stuff. Thats a lot of moving James. Brock: It makes me think of Dr. Phil Mafetone once said that this kind of race season should be made illegal. Ben: Yeah. You know Im actually, Im in the process of turning Dr. Mafetones entire big book of training and endurance into 3 different workshops that hes gonna be teaching for our SuperHuman Coach
  • Network during 2014 and that is one freakin big book and actually, thats gonna be a good one for you to read would be his big book of endurance training. So hes got some good tips in there. The reason that like Mafetone is actually good resource, Im glad you brought this up Brock is that pace for an ultra like its not about speed at all when you compare even like a marathon to an ultra-marathon or like a multi-day stage event its just about brute endurance and its not about speed or temple work or lactic acid threshold work or sprints I mean when youre covering distances of 30, 40, 50, a hundred miles, the most efficient way for your body to make it through is to slow down and so you actually have to kinda take your training from a different standpoint. You know, I have course in this big intensity over volume kind of guy but theres definitely less of a need for short and fast track workouts and more of a need for just like heading out into the trails to accustom your mind and your body to that repetitive pounding thats gonna occur for hour, after hour, after hour. [1:05:00.7] So going out like every couple of weeks or so and literally just like you know whether its a 7 hr hike with some short jogs and stuff thrown in or whether its a like kind of a long trail run I mean you need to train your body to slow down, to run aerobically, to run efficiently and you can use like your math pace for this which is its basically 180 minus your age so if youre 40 years old you know youre doing most of this long sessions at a 140 beats per minute for heart rate but thats a big big difference between marathoning which you can actually get pretty successful with doing 400s, 800s and repeats in the occasional kinda like longer run vs. ultra-marathoning where youre just gonna be spending more time period. So thats one thing to consider. Another thing to consider is your pack weight, so for a marathon you know, average marathon if youre using like a fewer belt or something like that you might have 1-2 pounds of extra weight. For an ultramarathon, a lot of ultra marathons theyve got no aids stations or they have very few aids stations or aids stops so you have to pack a lot more of your own fuel whether pb camel packs, like hydration packs you know, they have packets and webbing for things like extra food and socks and gloves and Vaseline and bandaids and head lamps and all these other stuff youre gonna need but you know, you may also windup using like a multi-bottle fuel belt that goes around your belt, you might use a light backpack, you might be carrying things in your hand and you need to get used to hacking around an extra anywhere from 4-7 pounds while youre out on your runs so when Im talking about heading back into the hills doing like this pace around you have
  • to get use to the biomechanical changes and also the metabolic demands of carrying a little bit of extra weight on you while youre out there with the understanding that you might have access to fewer aids stations during an ultra. A couple other things I would bear in mind is like the distance so marathon typically can get away with about anywhere from 17-20 miles for your long run as far as kinda preparing you for the endurance that you need for marathon, for ultras they are pushing 40+ miles or once you get up to like a 100k ish distance your training run is gonna be closer like your long training run is gonna be closer to like a marathon distance run so you can actually like you know go register for a marathon or jump into a marathon and use that as like your long training run that you do a few times leading up to the race or few weeks out from the race and generally youll find a lot of more successful 50k, a 100k athletes have 30-40 mile runs as like their one long run that they do per week you know, the better people who are really devoting a lot of time to this, Im not saying thats healthy Im not saying its something I encourage for your hormones or for your body but I mean if this on your bucket list and you wanna do it, thats what youre looking at as far as some of your distances go and then nutrition also you know, again marathon you can get by doing you know, I had some people doing marathon they could have around a 100 calories an hour and been able to just like squeeze themselves through with little hits of glucose here and there. With an ultramarathon you just have to get used to eating more and the stomach aches, the barfing, the diarrhea, all these stuff can occur once youre trying to shove in some cases 200, 400 calories down the hatch while youre running and a lot of times this is from real foods. A lot of ultra marathoners they get taste fatigue pretty quickly and so youre using a mix of trail mixes, raw seeds, raw nuts, chia seeds, slurries which is like chia seed mix with water to form like a little gel solution. Sometimes folks will run a little candy bars that have fatten them you know like snickers and stuff like that. Sharp intake gasp breath to the podcast audience has been recommend snickers. You know, using like the UCan superstarch, Ive had some people experiment with doing kinda like id for Ironman like mixing the superstarch with some mct oil and some amino acids but ultimately its a long run and you gotta eat and so you even get some these ultra marathoners like Dean Karnazes you know, hes running with like a half a tuck up pizza you know, tucked in one arm and its one of those deals where you do need to get used to eating while youre training and weve talked plenty on this podcast about what kind of things will be healthy and what kind of things wouldnt. Im a bigger fan of real food or fat-based foods or some proteins rather than sweet carbohydrates the whole time just for an over-all health
  • standpoint but regardless youre gonna have to eat more calories per hour to be listing yourself to a 100k thats another consideration. [1:10:00.2] Really good resource is the Ask the Ultra Runner Podcast at like a, why am I blanking on his name? Brock: Lucho. Ben: Yeah, Lucho whos the kind of the expert on that podcast, hes one lead man which is an ultra running trail ring series, he has really good history with trail running, he was up in the mountains near boulder Colorado and he is really a good resource and theres hours and hours worth of ultra running tips and tricks and you know, pacing, rules and training recommendations and everything on the back log of that podcast when youre going on your long runs thatll be a good one in addition of course to the Ben Greenfield fitness podcast. Brock: Of course! Ben: Yeah and load up to your mp3 player and ask the ultra runner podcast at endurance planet. So thats another good resource for you and you know, Brocks a running coach. Brock, anything else you would throw in there. Brock: Yeah, Ive coached a couple of ultramarathoners and I dont know if this actually applies to James in particular cause hes doing Ironman so hes definitely done some heavier volume stuff but when youre moving from marathon to ultramarathon generally you have to be careful with adding in too much volume too quickly like its the same as when you start out running at all, your body response to the stress you put on it, it doesnt respond to a number. So, you look at some of these programs and like Ben was saying, like you want your long runs to be more like a marathon distance but if your body cant handle it dont try and hit those numbers cause its your body is going to respond to the stress you put on it and well if that stress is a little bit less, if its only 30k or 35k then thats okay thats your maximum and dont try to push past otherwise youre gonna get yourself in trouble even though youre doing this like 100k races you cant. You cant just sort to hit those numbers and think you have to do that, your body will respond poorly and then youll be out.
  • Ben: Yeah I can tell you, building endurance and kind of going into this new mode of training is tough like Im getting ready for the zeal fit camp right now in August and you know, Ive already got my 40 pound weight vest and Im going out and doing rocks with back in the hills behind my house and my body is just not use to hauling you know basically walking around with 40 lbs for a couple of hours up and down trails, its just brand new muscles and Ive certainly experienced even though Im strong, Im fit and Ive done Ironman. Its new muscles, new territory and weve talked about tracking recovery and central nervous system and thats also important when it comes to this stuff. Brock: Yes, I guess all Id say is be careful downloading an ultramarathon program off the inter webs and just following it blindly pay attention to your fatigue levels like Ben said using heart rate variability and stuff is great too. Ben: There we go and if you do want to train blindly get one of those view limiting devices that we talked about. Brock: Yes. Quite literally joining blindly. Ben: Great look. Well, did we get any reviews on iTunes this week? Brock: We sure did! We sure did, I have 5 star review. Thank you very much Steve. Ben: I wonder if its the same Steve that ask the question about root canals. Brock: It might be although the wording in this question is quite glorious, I have to say I wanna read it in a Shakespearean voice but I wont. Ben: Well, were gonna be sending Steve the official Ben Greenfield fitness gear package from so he can get all geared out and geeked out but what he has to say Brock? Brock: Okay, the title is and dont let this scare you: This podcast will ruin your life! (exclamation point) Ben: I like it! Brock: Alright, so he says seriously ruin it, it will knock down what you are and trample on the remains of your very being and then like a majestic phoenix you will rise from the ashes more glorious than
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