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Podcast #221 from
http://www.bengreenfieldfitness.com/2012/12/cardio-before-weights-or-weights-before-cardio/ [0:00:00.0] Introduction: In this podcast, does bee pollen or pine pollen work for enhancing
hormones, Cardio before weights or weights before cardio, how to
stop muscular fatigue, how to tell if amino acids are working for
you, how to get ready for a hilly bike ride, and a promise from me
that this is not gonna be another 2 ½-hour episode.
Welcome to the BenGreenfieldFitness.com podcast. We provide
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wellness advice from the top fitness experts in the nation. So
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Ben: Well, here we go again.
Jessa: Yes, I’m back.
Ben: We actually just got done getting our butts kicked.
Jessa: Yeah. That was a hard workout, actually. I’m actually surprised
because a lot of times I go to gym and the group workouts are not
really that hard. This one was hard.
Ben: Yeah. It was tough. Jessa and I did a high intensity interval
training workout at the gym and it was like back to back to back
exercises that you do. It was like a triple super set. And then we
go on to the next exercise and the chick teaching that class was
kind of a beast.
Jessa: Yeah.
Ben: She was pretty…
Jessa: She was hard core.
Ben: She was both ripped and you could tell she had some long
____[0:01:50.6] or so.
Jessa: Yeah.
Ben: Yeah. So we got beat up and then we came home, put the kids to
bed, we just got done down in some beef and little wine and we’re
here again for a podcast episode.
Jessa: Yes.
Ben: Number 221.
Jessa: Fun, fun.
Ben: We got some decent feedback from last week. Everybody loved
listening to my vino-filled wife.
Jessa: I was not. It’s not true.
Ben: Chatty…
Jessa: I’m chatty?
Ben: We emptied a box of wine tonight, though.
Jessa: Yeah. We’re classy over here.
Ben: We have a box of organic wine. Speaking of which folks, the
“Hangover” post went live and I don’t….
Jessa: It was not inspired by our last podcast.
Ben: No. It wasn’t inspired by our last podcast. Check out that
“Hangover” podcast over at bengreenfieldfitness.com. In no way,
I condone drinking to excess. Well, sometimes every now and
then…
Jessa: There are occasions.
Ben: But I don’t encourage anyone out there to be a lush but have some
fun this holiday season. Just make sure…All right. Let’s jump in
to this week’s news flashes.
News Flashes:
Ben: First of all, let me announce this as an interesting news flash. I
don’t know if this one should be in Special Announcements or the
News Flashes but my 31 birthday is coming up in…
Jessa: That’s a news! no, that’s a special announcement.
Ben: I don’t know. Whatever, but either way, I always send out really
cool special deals and discounts and cool gifts to all my listeners
and followers on twitter, Facebook and the Newsletter.
Jessa: It’s very generous of you.
Ben: Make sure you pay attention on 12-20-2013.
Jessa: You can guess what I’m getting Ben for his birthday. You’re
getting another special prize but I don’t know what it is.
Ben: Jessa pulls stuff out of … .
Jessa: And come up with something good, okay, honey.
Ben: All right. Speaking of kind of a something good, here is the first
news flash that came out this week and by the way, if you want
this fresh off the presses, hit twitter.com/bengreenfield. I tweeted
that if you wanna shut down inflammation, you should hit the
dark chocolate and this is the reason why. There is a study and the
study just came out and what they did was they gave rats a diet
that was enriched with coco powder. They’re actually giving the
rats quite a bit of coco powder.
Jessa: So that means, eat lots of chocolate.
Ben: They were basically getting the equivalent of about 12% of their
daily dietary intake from chocolate. Now, before you get scared
away, that you’re gonna have to eat 3 or 4 chocolate bars a day.
Jessa: Why would that scare anyone?
Ben: If you’re calorie or fat phobic. Moderate levels of cacao
consumption have been shown to do everything from improving
your HDL to LDL cholesterol ratios to improving your insulin
sensitivity to improving your antioxidants activity to improving
your mitochondrial density.
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There are a lot of studies that have been done on chocolate and
many of the studies that have been done in the past on specifically
dark chocolate and cacao extract have been done with lesser levels
than were done in this study. But that being said in this particular
study, what are called the polyphenols in cacao get and they serve
the same kind of polyphenols you’re gonna find in like vegetables
and dark skin fruits and things of that nature is they down
regulated the levels of some of the more common inflammatory
markers and they did that by inhibiting some of the genetic
markers that can cause inflammation as well as basically what’s
called phosphorylation of some of the compounds that can cause
pretty big expression of pro inflammatory enzymes specifically
pro inflammatory enzymes like cyclooxygenase 2 which is the
same type of thing you’d take or the same type of thing you’d be
trying to shut down if you take like ibuprofen. Some really good
evidence here that dark chocolate can help you out quite a bit, I
was trying to figure out how to express this in terms of like how
much we’d need to take to get a decent amount of benefit. And in
looking at the numbers if we’re to translate in the humans, it
comes out to right around 100 grams of dark chocolate and that’s
like 400 calories of dark chocolate.
Jessa: That’s a lot.
Ben: It is. You’re still gonna get some benefit if you go less than that.
Jessa: Okay.
Ben: But here’s my idea for people for Christmas present.
Jessa: What’s your idea?
Ben: Organic cacao nibs. That’s what I got my aunt for Christmas.
______[0:06:52.7] if you have these things you buy at Amazon.
Jessa: I don’t think I have.
Ben: I’ll put a link in the show notes to exactly what I got my aunt. I
don’t think it’s listed on the podcast so I’m not…
Jessa: You’re not giving away your Christmas present.
Ben: Organic cacao nibs is something that is a pretty tasty treat to
munch on if you want the anti-inflammatory effects from this.
Chocolate! So that is one thing.
Jessa: I’m kinda curious.
Ben: Yeah?
Jessa: Why do people get migraines sometimes from chocolate?
Ben: Because they have basically like a reaction to basically the nitric
oxide in the chocolate causes a bunch of vasodilation and you get
a dilation of blood flow to the head followed by constriction. And
that’s one of the reasons that migraines can occur is rapid dilation
followed by constriction.
Jessa: So those who have migraine should not do this.
Ben: If you get migraines from chocolate, no, I would not recommend
that you do that.
Jessa: Okay. Just curious.
Ben: Although a lot of times that type of reaction can be indicative of
basically an omega 3 to omega 6 imbalance so you can get on a
good Fish Oil protocol, vegetable oils, and omega 6 fatty acids out
of the diet and you may find that you don’t get that kind of
migraine reaction to chocolate after you kinda fix that component
of your diet. So I’m gonna think about it. Then I tweeted a link to
another article that appeared in the Atlantic Magazine website
about a case for drinking more coffee. The title of the article was
The Case for Drinking as Much Coffee as You Like. And what this
article went into great detail on (and I’ll link to it in the show
notes) was a bunch of different meta analysis that have been done
on coffee and its effect on health. So it not only was looking at the
effect of coffee in terms of its effectiveness in fighting against a lot
of markers of cancer. It looked into basically the effect that coffee
can have on your potential for fatty liver disease which is
something you’re at high risk of if you have like a high fructose,
high sugar, high calorie type of diet when into the ergogenic effect
of caffeine in terms of its effect on enhancing performance. It
even looked at the effect of caffeine. They did an interesting
experiment this past February where they subjected a group of
individuals to 2 hours of simulated monotonous highway driving.
And many of us will be there over the holidays.
Jessa: Hopefully, we don’t have snow.
Ben: Anybody is on a road trip. So those given a cup of coffee during
their short break during this monotonous highway driving
simulation showed reductions in driving speed, mental effort and
subjective sleepiness. So coffee had good effect there.
[0:10:00.0]
There is a link between coffee and some pretty cool anti-
inflammatory effects. But just remember folks, when you hear all
of these things that coffee and the antioxidants in coffee and some
of the _____[0:10:14.2] in coffee can do and this is why I actually
tweeted, we’re not talking about orange mocha frappuccinos here.
Jessa: What are we talking about?
Ben: We’re talking about a good coffee and if you can, a good organic
Arabica coffee would be best. Those are gonna be lowest in mold,
they’re gonna be basically more environmentally friendly, and
better for your body. If you jack in your coffee or put sugar and
cream, it’s not…
Jessa: All should know that already. I knew coffee cured everything. I
knew it.
Ben: There was a study published finally this May in the New England
Journal of Medicine that literally looked at hundreds and
thousands of people and found that bottom result that people who
drank coffee lived longer than those who didn’t. So obviously…a
lot of confounding variables there but ultimately quite a bit to be
said for coffee and I’ll link to this in the show notes. And then
another thing that you can eat and this was interesting. There was
a study that just came out that showed that eating high dose garlic
or supplementing with garlic in your diet actually boosted
testosterone and lowered your protein turnover which is basically
like how fast your body dumps out protein and goes into catabolic
state and breaks down muscle. So there’s a big time testosterone
boosting effect…
Jessa: Kind of a bomber if you have a testosterone boost and you smell
like garlic. Nobody wants to be with you.
Ben: It’s like you’d be like a horny dude who turns off every chick who’s
around you. Kind of a Catch 22 there.
Jessa: That’s too bad.
Ben: But basically a 400% increase in the testosterone to cortisol ratio
with consumption of a fairly high amount of garlic and this kinda
returns to something similar to what we said with dark chocolate.
When you look at a study that shows high amounts of something
having a pretty decent effect, you can kind of extrapolate that even
a more moderate sane amount of that compound may at least
have some of that _____[0:12:28.4] effect. And considering that
garlic has been shown to have good effects on things like blood
pressure and cholesterol, risk of cardiovascular disease, I never
would have guessed that it would have been kind of like a
scientifically proven herb-based testosterone booster but it turns
out that for guys including garlic in your diet could actually be a
good idea. And later on in the show, we’ll get into something else.
There’s a question about bee pollen and pine pollen and effects on
testosterone. But basically, the way that garlic works is that it can
increase your output of what’s called leutenizing hormone. And
leutenizing hormone is what’s released from the pituitary glands,
acts on you testes and causes your testes to upregulate their
production of testosterone. There’s a bunch of different things
that can happen downline when you’re producing more
testosterone you might be in a metabolic state that will cause
more of it to get converted into estrogens, more of it to get
converted into another compound called the DHT, you may have
an impairment in the actual cells in your testes that’s responsible
for producing testosterone. This all assumes that you’re actually
in a metabolic state that allows you to produce your own
testosterone. But if so, garlic. So, there you go. Have your coffee,
have your garlic and have your chocolate.
Jessa: All things I love. So that’s great.
Ben: And then, have your breast milk. Last week, we talked about
colostrums and how colostrums has a pretty cool effect on your
gut permeability basically, decreasing your gut permeability. And
listen in to last week’s episode, Episode #220. But basically…
Jessa: Colostrums’ only produced on the first 3 days of life.
Ben: Yeah. Another thing to be said for colostrums and this was
another study that came out that looked at colostrums
supplementation – they showed that it did basically, blunted the
exercise-induced reduction in indigenous antioxidant production.
In a nut shell, all that means is that colostrums (when you
exercise, what happens is your body will downregulate to a certain
extent the activity of antioxidant enzymes, and also a very potent
antioxidant called super oxide dismutase which is also
abbrebviated SOD and it’s one of the more powerful antioxidants
that is able to fight against free radical production and …
Jessa: Which are found in colostrums.
Ben: …potentially damaging cell compounds.
[0:15:03.4]
No, it isn’t found in colostrums but colostrum mitigates the
downregulation of this antioxidant enzymes and the
downregulation of super oxide dismutase. So basically, you give
yourself better anti-inflammatory potential when you’ve got this
colostrum in your diet. One of the interesting things about
colostrum is that most commercially available colostrum
supplements, they’re treated with very very high amounts of heat
so the effect of…
Jessa: That would lose a lot of the…everything.
Ben: Yeah. The effectiveness of any food supplement especially ones
that have been treated with high amounts of heat can be
significantly reduced.
Jessa: Is that just ‘cause of the drying?
Ben: Basically, it’s just heat damage to the actual proteins.
Jessa: Yeah. I know but that’s ‘because it’s the drying out of the
colostrum or something?
Ben: Yeah. It’s basically… So, I started looking into this and I actually
talked to Mount Capra this week ‘cause that’s the colostrum that I
take and I was curious whether or not there is actually heat
treated and if so, to what extent. They use what’s called a
refractance window dryer.
Jessa: What does that mean?
Ben: It takes a lot lot longer time to dry it but it’s a very gentle low heat
way of drying your colostrum to get into powder form so it’s
actually powderable for supplementation. That was pretty cool to
hear that that particular brand of colostrum actually not only is
gonna have that antioxidant activity but is also going to actually
retain its potency. So, that’s something to be said for that. And
apparently, the way that the entire dairy industry post-processes
their colostrum before they actually feed it to calves reduces the
effectiveness of the colostrum to the extent where it’s rendered
almost completely inadequate. And there is a study that was done
on this that showed that a huge number of calves are at risk of
basically bacterial infection because of the way that they process
the colostrum in most commercial…
Jessa: Well, a lot of them milk from the mother early on just so they can
get the milk from the cows so they aren’t getting colostrums
much.
Ben: Exactly. So they’re still trying to get these cows their colostrums
but the way that they’re processing is the same way they process…
Jessa: My dad’s in the farming industry.
Ben: Colostrums supplements. All right. Cool! One other thing I
wanted to mention was this recent study on aspartame and
basically, whether or not the consumption of artificial sweeteners
and sugar-containing sodas could increase risk of lymphoma or
leukemia in men and women. And this study specifically looked
at aspartame which is gonna be the active component in like
Nutrasweet. And it was fairly big study was done by Harvard
Medical School and it actually did find that when you compare
diet soda with regular soda consumption, that consumption of
diet sodas specifically in men actually increased the risk of cancer.
And there was this basically a chemical reason behind this.
Essentially, the consumption of aspartame produces huge huge
amounts of a component called formaldehyde. And formaldehyde
tends to leak directly into circulation at the level of the gut and for
some reason in men it tends to do so to a higher extent than in
women and so researchers hypothesized that the reaction of
formaldehyde with blood cells after consumption of aspartame
was likely the reason that you saw the increased risk for cancer in
males due to their high consumption of diet soda or in males who
consumed high amounts of diet soda.
Jessa: Can I ask kind of a girl question here?
Ben: No.
Jessa: Do you think that perhaps maybe because women bleed every
month?
Ben: You had to bring this up last week.
Jessa: I’m just saying…
Ben: I just don’t like to talk about girls’ periods.
Jessa: Yeah. You know what? We build new blood every month. So you
guys store it so that would kinda make sense if it leads just
directly into your blood.
Ben: You know what? That is a great question and I don’t know the
answer to it. I don’t know the reason that women have a more
stable gut barrier in terms of….
Jessa: No. I’m talking about like you guys, you store your blood.
Ben: Oh you mean, you’re getting rid of blood cells that…
Jessa: We get rid of our blood.
Ben: Yeah. I see what you’re saying. Yeah. That’s a reasonable
hypothesis.
Jessa: Thank you. I’m very sexy. I’m very scientific.
Ben: And very smart. And you haven’t let 100% as sure as we’ve done
together go by without talking about periods…
Jessa: Hey, I’m a girl, you know.
Ben: Kudos on that.
Jessa: We talk about it like anything.
Ben: Let’s jump in to this week’s special announcements.
Special Announcements:
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Ben: There’s not a huge number of special announcements that are
gonna be much different than last week’s special announcements
especially considering that I already talked about my birthday but
we should mention at this podcast episode like last week’s podcast
episode is brought to you by audiblepodcast.com/ben. Last week,
we told you that you should go and check out the book The Hobbit
which is based on the popular upcoming movie The Hobbit. Or
maybe it’s the other way around.
Jessa: I’m sure the book is better. I’m sure the audio book is way better
than I can come up with my imagination.
Ben: There are, believe it or not, other books on
audiblepodcast.com/ben. You can go get a free one. Let’s see
what the audible best seller is. Can you guess what the audible
best seller is? Top 2 audible best sellers.
Jessa: Top 2?
Ben: Hunger Games Part 1 and Hunger Games Part 2.
Jessa: I heard Hunger Games Part 2 was not as good as the first one.
Ben: It’s called catching fire.
Jessa: I’ve heard it’s kinda slow but I loved the first one. Hated the
movie.
Ben: If you are a hunger games geek and you’re going on a road to that.
Jessa: So that’s why you should listen to it on audiblepodcast.com.
Ben: audiblepodcast.com/ben. Going on a road trip, get a bunch of
coffee in your system and listen to Hunger Games Part 1 and Part
2. You have 11 hours for 7 books, $7.50. That’s not bad. Some
cheap entertainment.
Jessa: That is good. If you’re on a road trip, sounds a great
entertainment. We’ve done that before with the (what’s that
book?)
Ben: Frank Brady. We had the Frank Brady book – Monster. I
remember that. That was good. We drove to Portland with that
one.
Jessa: Yeah. That was good.
Ben: All right. Cool. So audiblepodcast.com/ben. Check that out. I
still got links to all of the triathlon winter camps that are coming
out and I just…
Jessa: People just don’t stop.
Ben: Just talked to Tri California today. Anybody out there who is
signed up for the Wildflower Triathlon which Jessa and I always
go to (which is awesome, you’re camped down like San Antonio).
Jessa: That’s a hard one. You better be ready for it.
Ben: They gave the green light today. We’re gonna camp down there,
March 22nd to March 24th down at Lake San Antonio. Train on
the course and we’re gonna camp down on the lake and
everything.
Jessa: We? Are you saying me and you? Or “we” as in you, the athletes
and you?
Ben: You could go if you want.
Jessa: Okay. I didn’t know. I was just…
Ben: If you’re triathlete, these are the show notes for this episode,
Episode #221. I’ll put a link to that as well as all the other camps
that we’re running and the Vietnam Triathlon which is gonna
rock. I’ll put all that in the show notes. The other thing that I
wanted to mention is that MyList is up and running hardcore over
at facebook.com/bgfitness and I wanted to mention that…
Jessa: This is so convenient to have it right here on Facebook.
Ben: Jessa is now using MyList and so she’s got her Top 10 Kitchen
Tools out there at MyList.
Jessa: ‘Cause I love to cook.
Ben: So you can check out Jessa’s Top 10 Kitchen Tools and (I don’t
know if we published those over at facebook.com/bgfitness or not
but)
Jessa: You should have, you didn’t.
Ben: I think we did link to them over there but either way, go over to
create you own MyList and share them with us and you can get
featured on this podcast and we’re gonna be bringing our first
MyList user on very very same first special podcast episode. You
can make a list of anything you want like your favorite fitness
tools, your favorite diet things like things that you eat, your
favorite wines, your favorite clothes, anything. It’s pretty cool
stuff. One more special announcement that we’re gonna play for
you here and then we’ll move on to the Swiss Q & A.
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Listener Q & A:
Mike: Hey Ben! This is Mike in New York. I was just wondering what
your thoughts are on pine pollen powder for making sure
testosterone levels stay up and also its effect on endurance
training and health in general and I’ve got same questions about
bee pollen. How does it work with general health and how to
affect my endurance training? Thank you very much. I hope to
hear this on the podcast sometime soon. Thank you.
Ben: All right. Cool! So bee pollen and pine pollen.
Jessa: I’ll have no help on this question.
Ben: I suspect that the reason that you’re going to see pine pollen asked
about more and more over the next few months is because Tim
Ferriss talks about it in his book The 4-Hour Chef and all it is is
the seeds of testosterone that’s derived from basically the male
sperm of pine trees and in traditional herbal medicine, it’s used to
increase low testosterone in men and women. So basically, the
way that it works is it is a direct androgen in and of itself whereas
something that we talked about before like the garlic acting on the
pituitary gland to increase production of leutenizing hormone to
then cause the testes to churn out more testosterone. Compared
to that something like pine pollen, the idea behind that is you’re
literally consuming the testosterone of the plant itself.
Jessa: So is it like taking testosterone?
Ben: It is similar to taking free testosterone and there is some concern
out there.
Jessa: Yeah. It’s because there are some ill effect.
Ben: The same concern is that of taking like a synthetic hormone
replacement such as free testosterone and that is that do you
actually shut down testicular production of testosterone. Do you
actually shut down your body’s own endocrine production when
you use pine pollen, something like that. The thing with pine
pollen is when you compare it to something like basic testosterone
that you’d say like inject that the endocrinologist might give you if
you’re using like compounded hormone replacement therapy, is
that the molecular structure of pine pollen, because it’s coming
from a plant, it’s different enough from the actual testosterone
that is produced by your own testes. You wouldn’t necessarily
shut down your body’s own endocrine production of testosterone.
However, no long term studies have been done on the stuff.
Jessa: C’mon, Chinese medicines like ancient…they don’t document?
Ben: You get pine pollen in powder form, you can get it in tincture form
and basically, if you use it in powder form, you’d use the
equivalent of right around like a level teaspoon a day. I actually
have…
Jessa: So do you think it’s risky to take it?
Ben: I don’t know…
Jessa: Has there not much research on it or…?
Ben: Yeah. I have been trying it a little bit. I’ve been trying like a
teaspoon of it, mixing with my Chinese herbs. I guess since this is
one of those too much information style of podcast where you
share everything, pretty much all I’ve experienced in terms of
changes is I have noticed that I basically…if I wake up during the
night at all, that I have an erection, basically. That is what I have
noticed. That does not necessarily mean that you’re going to learn
in the article that I’ll be producing soon at
bengreenfieldfitness.com, that does not necessarily mean that my
testosterone has increased per se.
[0:30:09.9]
However, I have notice that it has that effect. There you go.
Jessa: I already knew that.
Ben: Okay. So that’s the deal with pine pollen powder so you can try
that out. I’m using this stuff made by Raw Forest Foods and I’ll
link to this stuff I’m using in the show notes. It’s basically an
organic pine pollen extract. The stuff is super cheap but I mean,
you…
Jessa: And if you come to Northwest, it’s free, you’re going to sweep it
off the floor. It’s everywhere.
Ben: You could just get pine cones and get ______[0:30:54.0].
Beware too that there may be a little bit of aromatization that goes
on here, meaning that you tend that you put testosterone in your
body and you may get some conversion into estrogens so you may
have to be on aromatase inhibitor like chrysin or myomin or nettle
root. The active compound in nettle root can stop the
aromatization process as well. And then also know that anytime
you’re messing around with any of this stuff, you always increase
your risk of potentially ingesting compounds that could cause you
to test positive on doping test or something like that.
Jessa: Yeah. I was just going to say, didn’t somebody just get busted for
increasing their testosterone?
Ben: Yes, by taking a synthetic testosterone replacement.
Jessa: So, is it different if you’re taking a bee pollen extract?
Ben: Anything that bumps your testosterone to epitestosterone ratio up
above a 4:1 ratio is going to flag you on like a World Anti Doping
Association doping test. All this stuff is kinda push your own risk
and if it wasn’t, literally, this pine pollen extract, I really wouldn’t
try it if it were like in the middle of a triathlon season or
something like that just because I never play around with
anything like that.
Jessa: Can you just stop it cold turkey? and you’re fine?
Ben: Yeah.
Jessa: And you’re fine.
Ben: Because it’s cold turkey and you’re okay.
Jessa: Okay.
Ben: Yeah. You wanna give yourself a good couple of months to make
sure that that’s out of your system. Okay. As far as the bee pollen
extract goes, bee pollen is something that you wanna be a little bit
more careful with. Now, pollen whether we’re talking about bee
pollen or pine pollen, it’s the male seed of the flower and it is
required for the fertilization of the plant and bee pollen itself has a
ton of protein in it. It’s got a lot of free form amino acids in it and
it’s again, one of those things that’s used in alternative medicine
and has been used as what’s called the tonic – energy tonic…
Jessa: Yeah. I see it often in the store.
Ben: …in Chinese medicine for a long period of time. And lots of
cultures throughout the world rely on bee pollen as a tonic for
improving like endurance vitality, extending longevity, helping
with recovery. Some people say it helps you to build new blood
and kinda similar to spirulina or algae extract that’s really high
not only in your free amino acids but also in most of the vitamin B
complex.
Jessa: So it sounds like it’s a good thing.
Ben: Well, the issue is that a lot of people who have tried bee pollen
have had an allergic reaction to it and a pretty significant allergic
reaction.
Jessa: Likewise if you’re allergic to bees.
Ben: You don’t see a lot of the same reports from something like pine
pollen as you do from bee pollen products and there are certainly
some studies that have shown that bee pollen can have for
example, pretty potent anti-inflammatory effect or that it may
help to boost immunity to a certain extent. But you wanna be
careful with this because there have been several reports of people
who begin to use bee pollen as like a super food extract or start to
use it in high enough amount that they can have anaphylactic
reactions or allergic reactions the same way as you would if you
got stung by a bee.
Jessa: Where is bee pollen _____[0:34:14.7] I’ve always been curious.
Ben: You grab a male bee and you just shake it.
Jessa: Whatever.
Ben: Just threaten it and make it give up its pollen.
Jessa: I am curious. What part of the bee culture does it come from?
Ben: I’m assuming that you would actually extract it from male bees
like you’d actually keep male bees in captivity somehow and
extract the bee pollen from them. But I’m not exactly sure because
the bees carry around pollen in their legs.
Jessa: Yeah. I know.
Ben: So they have like pollen baskets.
Jessa: Have you ever seen it? It’s like granules that looks like…
Ben: Well, I know that there are honeycombs. Actually, they’re filled
with pollen. Maybe they’re getting it from the honeycomb itself.
Jessa: I think it’s a by-product of honey.
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Ben: Yeah. It could be something they’re gathering from the
honeycomb or maybe from captured bees. I’m actually not sure.
Jessa: I have always been curious ‘cause I just better Google it.
Ben: Yeah. Go catch yourself some male bees and shake shake those
little dudes. Shake them till they give up their precious pollen.
Chris: Hi Ben and Brock and/or Jessa! My name is Chris and I have 2
questions for you. First would be about, when to combine weight
lifting with cycle training? I cycle 4 hard days a week, Tuesday
and Thursday being interval days, Saturday being longer even
steady pace and Sunday being a group ride. I’d like to do 3 days
weight lifting though to optimize some testosterone benefit from
that but I’m not sure what days to do that on – the heavy workout
days or the easier days. Any insight you have would be greatly
appreciated. My second question is about optimizing my sleep. I
sleep in a very dark room, I have the weight noise apps and the
things that you have recommended, of course being comfortable
will go, going on, and that’s awesome, by the way. But my problem
is that if I have to get up in the middle of the night to go pee, I
tend to stay up for a little bit just having a hard time going back to
bed. That might happen a few times at night so I try not to drink
fluids on the later part of the day but I found when I do that I have
a lot more hunger at night which I think is just thirst. So I find
myself much more tempted to over eat which I also don’t wanna
do. I’m not really sure what to do how I can get good night of
sleep without having that thirst that I think is being confused as
hunger at night. Thank you very much. I appreciate all you do.
Ben: This has actually happened to me before. Waking up in the night
and having…I have to wake up in the night, you start to think
about stuff and you kinda have a hard time getting back to sleep.
Jessa: Honestly for me, I know it happens when my creative juices are
flowing big time.
Ben: Yeah. it happens to me too when I’ve had a hard day of work.
Let’s talk about that real quick and then we’ll get to this whole like
which when you do weights in conjunction with cardio. Do you do
your weights on your easier cardio days or on your hard cardio
days and how do you kinda…
Jessa: My gut says your easier cardio days but I don’t really know.
Ben: Yeah. Sometimes you can’t listen to your gut.
Jessa: I know but I really like to listen to my gut a lot.
Ben: In reference to Chris’ question though about waking up in the
night, I found that keeping one of the well, three different things
can, I’ve honestly found that all three of these things can help. I
don’t take them all at once but if I have nothing of these three
things around, these are three things that I do. One would be this
Natural Calm magnesium. I’ve got a bunch of little sample packs
of that that I’ve thrown into my night stand. It’s like about 250 mg
worth of just basic Natural Calm Magnesium Citrate and I just
grab that and down it because sometimes I do wake up at
midnight or 1 or 2 to pee. Sometimes getting up in the middle of
the night to pee can mean that you’re hypercortisolic, meaning
that your body’s producing a lot of cortisol and overtraining. A lot
of times when you’re overtrained, you get up in the middle of the
night to pee. We talked about this a little bit when we talked about
adrenal fatigue last week.
Jessa: Yeah. We did.
Ben: But sometimes, you just get up in the night to pee and it doesn’t
mean anything other than that your bladder’s full.
Jessa: Yeah.
Ben: And I had been in a state where I had been completely relaxed and
restored and recovered from training and just get up in the night
to pee. You know, ‘cause maybe it’s not like this where it’s almost
10:00 PM now and we’re recording this podcast, we’re drinking
wine and it’s like, I guarantee, at midnight or one tonight, I’ll be
getting up to pee.
Jessa: The magnesium is great.
Ben: Getting back to sleep, magnesium works really well. That’s kind of
the most…
Jessa: Magnesium puts me to a very deep, like I’m in a very deep sleep.
Ben: Yeah. Somnidren GH from Millenium Sports is basically like el
dopa mixed with gamma aminobutyric acid kinda spins the brain
dials a little bit more but the basic idea behind this stuff is that the
gamma aminobutyric acid in the Somnidren GH is kind of a mild
sedative. It’s also got what’s called the somatostatin inhibiting
compound in there. So, you inhibit somatostatin which is one of
the things that competes with gamma aminobutyric acid in your
brain. And then there’s some other stuff thrown in there like there
are some muscle relaxants in there and there are some el dopa in
there. If you take the stuff and it’s on empty stomach like you
haven’t eaten a couple of hours which is why it actually, it tends to
be a little more effective if you take it when you’ve woken up in the
night ‘cause your stomach is empty and you need to have a lot of
insulin circulating in your bloodstream. The stuff is super effective
and it knocks you out. I’ve even found if I take it at like 1:00 or
2:00 AM vs. when I take it at 10:00 PM, I’m a bit groggy in the
morning ‘cause I’m still in the sleep mode. So that stuff not quite
as inexpensive as magnesium but that stuff works pretty well too.
And the last thing would be…
Jessa: Isn’t that something you’ll get horrible vitamin breath?
Ben: Yeah. You don’t like to kiss me.
Jessa: No. It’s disgusting.
Ben: It tastes good.
Jessa: Oh it smells so bad.
Ben: You just dissolve it sublingually. The same is this other thing I’m
about to mention REM caps.
Jessa: But I’m sure it’s effective.
Ben: Hammer Nutrition’s REM caps that are mix of natural relaxants
like valerian root combined with melatonin. The issue with this is
that their time release, you’re supposed to take them 30 to 60
minutes before you go to bed. What I will do is open up the
capsule and dissolves it underneath my tongue and then it has a
lot faster acting properties and you’d have to wait for the
melatonin to get released. Any of those three, you can try.
Magnesium is probably gonna do for you. It works for 99% of the
folks out there. If you wanna experiment with the Somnidren GH
or the Hammer REM caps, go for it. And I’ll also put a link to that
recent podcast that I wrote about Natural Remedies for Insomnia
‘cause I wrote a monster podcast on insomnia and getting deep
sleep and you can go geek out on that if you really want to. As far
as when you do your weight training, on your easy biking days or
on your hard biking days, there was actually a fairly recent study
that looked into what happened when you actually did about 30
minutes or so of easy cardio before you lift weights. What this
study found was that when participants completed 30 minutes of
stationary bicycling at about 65% intensity prior to going through
the weight training protocol, what they saw was an increased
expression of some of the components that basically have an effect
on potent muscle growth factor called myostatin. And what
happened was there was an increase in the expression of
specifically the factor for you geeks out there was called PGC1
Alpha 4. PGC1 Alpha 4 is a specific protein that can actually
enhance the production of what’s called myostatin which is
basically a muscle growth regulator and in people who have
myostatin knock out, they tend to get huge. But basically, you get
this big big effect in the PGC1 Alpha 4 and what happens then is
you get a better effect from the weight training session that occurs
subsequent to the easy cardio or after the easy cardio compared to
if you didn’t do any cardio at all before you lifted weights. And you
can actually get a similar effect if you lift weights in a relatively
glycogen-depleted or carbohydrate-depleted state. But the
difference between the two is that when you work out in a
glycogen-depleted state, you can also suppress your immune
system function that limits your ability to reach high intensities.
Whereas if you lift weights after you’ve done just 30 minutes of
moderate cycling,
Jessa: So my gut was kind of right.
Ben: Your gut was kinda right. So what I would do, best case scenario,
is you do an easy bike ride and right after easy bike ride on those
easy cycling days, you lift weights. And there was another study
that they did that looked at cardio before weights and they
actually found that even when you do cardio before weights and
you do the easy cardio session like earlier in the day, you still get a
more beneficial effect on the weight training vs. if you hadn’t done
that cardio at all earlier in the day. So you can even split up the 2
workouts if you wanted to. And I would definitely be doing hard
cycling workouts just from a neuro recovery standpoint and
overall energy intake standpoint, meaning that the hard cycling
training sessions are gonna deplete your body’s carbohydrate
storage, I’ll be doing all that on different day than when you lift
weights.
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Jessa: So just listen to me.
Ben: So cardio before weights. Listen to Jessa. She knows what she’s
talking about.
Jessa: Listen to the body.
Cathy: Hi Ben! My name is Cathy from Oregon and I have a question
about tendonitis. I’m guessing you’ve probably had a question like
this before but I could not find it on your website. My issue is that
in the last couple of weeks, I’ve been having pretty bad tennis
elbow, I guess you would say. Both of my elbows are kind of on
fire when I work. I do construction work, though it’s not heavy
construction. I’m mostly sweeping and cleaning up. I dig a ditch
every once in a while and maybe swinging here and there but it’s
not anything that the average person couldn’t handle. feel like
there’s really no reason this should be happening. Although I am
on the GAPS diet as I’ve been on the GAPS diet for 2 months and
I’m experiencing pretty good fatigue with that and muscle
weakness as I’ve had muscle weakness for a couple of years,
actually. So I’m wondering if this I’m just compensating them
some way, I’m just too exhausted. I know I shouldn’t be doing
this work but it is what it is and I don’t really have much of a
choice. So, do you have any advice for what I can do in the
meantime I’m gonna continue with my job? Is there anything I
can do to minimize the pain or the risk or doing further damage?
I guess that’s my question. Thanks.
Ben: All right. To answer this question from Cathy, it’s important to
understand about how neuromuscular fatigue actually works
because it can get kinda confusing to understand the various
reasons that your muscles might be getting tired and you might be
getting hurt more or getting this tennis elbow or this tendonitis
that you’re getting due to being tired. Is it because of dietary
factors? Is there something else going on? And we can look at
people who are exercising in extreme conditions to see what
happens when you get fatigued if you wanna amplify the effects of
fatigue. But it is true that when you have what’s called
neuromuscular fatigue going on that there is a significant effect on
things like coordination on literally motor impulses to motor
nerves in skeletal muscles. And when that happens, your
coordination is affected and you increase your risk of injury
because your movement patterns change. So the question is how
this fatigue actually occurs. Now there are 2 different mechanisms
via which your muscles can get fatigue. One is called central
fatigue and one is called peripheral fatigue. Basically, central
fatigue would be when your muscles get fatigued because of
something that’s going on next to the actual motor unit at the
muscle level. Peripheral fatigue would be something that happens
when there’s something occurring within the actual muscle unit
cell. An example of central fatigue would be literally your brain
and your spinal cord are the source of you becoming fatigued.
Peripheral fatigue would mean that there’s something going on in
terms of the actual action potential at the muscle level itself and
this is just the stuff for you geeks out there who are interested in
the 2 different types of fatigue. But there are 2 kinds of
hypotheses as to why central fatigue or peripheral fatigue could
actually occur. One is called the accumulation hypothesis and one
is called the depletion hypothesis. The accumulation hypothesis
of fatigue is basically the reason that you get fatigued is because
there’s a build-up of metabolic by-products in your muscle fiber.
So when you exercise at high intensity or for long periods of time,
you produce a lot of lactic acid, that lactic acid produces or results
in the production of hydrogen ions, you get a lot of ammonia
produced from protein breakdown and you also get a lot of what
are called phosphate bodies produced when you engage in a lot of
work. So all of this stuff accumulates which is why this called the
accumulation hypothesis. And when we look at what happens
when it accumulates for example, hydrogen ions produced when
lactic acid is made in your muscles, those interfere with the ability
of the muscles to bind to one another and also with the ability of
the muscles to release from one another.
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So you get basically a slower muscle contraction. The other thing
that hydrogen ions can interfere with is your actual ATP
production, ATP, being the actual chemical component that
allows you to produce a muscle contraction. So that’s one of the
issues with the accumulation hypothesis and lactic acid actually
causing that effect.
Jessa: So is that basically not recovering well?
Ben: No. That’s essentially having acid build-up. I mean, really diet
can affect this and this is something I wanted to get at in just a
second with GI and alkaline vs. an acid diet. If you are doing
exercise sessions that result in a large amount of metabolic by-
product, in most cases, lactic acid is kinda buffered from your
body within 30-60 minutes after you finished exercising. But
having a net acidic state within your body from for example,
eating a high sugar, high starch type of diet, which it doesn’t
sound like Cathy’s on if she’s on a GAPS diet which is relatively
low in carbohydrate.
Jessa: What is the GAPS diet?
Ben: It’s called gut and psychology syndrome.
Jessa: Okay.
Ben: It’s a really clean diet. But basically, if you are exercising too much
too hard, not recovering properly and combined with kind of an
acidic diet, there could be some of this accumulation that’s
actually occurring in the part from your exercise session that
could be affecting your muscular fatigue. The other part of the
accumulation hypothesis is I alluded to as ammonia which we
talked about last week. How ammonia builds up from protein
breakdown can cause your brain to eventually become too
fatigued. So that’s the accumulation hypothesis. The depletion
hypothesis, this is something that I think is probably a little bit
more likely in Cathy’s case. And the depletion hypothesis of
muscular fatigue is basically that there are 2 things that can get
depleted – phosphogen and glycogen. And phosphogen depletion
is something that occurs when you get a reduction in ATP which
again is what provides your muscles with the ability to be able to
contract along with a depletion in what’s called phosphocreatine
and which we also know in the supplement world as creatine
which also provides you with the ability to contract your muscles.
Now, states of phosphogen depletion can result from something
as simple as not eating enough meat, not getting enough creatine
in your diet, not getting enough phosphates in your diet and this
certainly could be caused by dietary factors. We’re not gonna go in
and break down the entire GAPS diet and whether or not it has
adequate creatine or phosphate in it. But what Cathy could
consider doing for example, is supplementing with creatine
phosphate and seeing if neuromuscular fatigue is affected by that
literally doing anywhere from 2-4 grams of creatine monohydrate
on a daily basis, something of that nature.
Jessa: Okay. You can just get that at any store.
Ben: Yeah. Just basic creatine monohydrate. No special man that kind
type of stuff. The other thing is glycogen depletion. And this is
really simple but basically, you store about 2000 calories of
chained up carbohydrate in your muscle tissue and if that is
depleted to a certain extent, that is also a situation in which
muscular fatigue can occur. This is something that happens more
often in people who are exercising for long periods of time with
the advent of the low carbohydrate diet, it’s something that a lot of
folks especially who are making transition to a low carbohydrate
diet experience – the neuromuscular fatiguing effects of glycogen
depletion. That’s something as simple as just adjusting the ratio
of carbohydrates in your diet, trying to eat a little bit more
carbohydrate. You can still eat from healthy sources.
Jessa: Yeah. You don’t have to go eat bread.
Ben: Yeah. You don’t have to like punish a baguette or something like
that. But I mean, just toss a sweet potato or yam or some carrots
or parsnip or some healthy carbohydrates here and there. Those
would be a couple of things to look at when it comes to muscular
fatigue. So that’s how muscular fatigue happens from an
accumulation standpoint or depletion standpoint and a few
different things for you to think about, Cathy, when it comes to
looking at your diet or some of the reasons that you might be
experiencing neuromuscular fatigue which can then lead to a loss
in your muscular coordination which can then increase risk of
injury. I know we kinda scratched the surface…
Jessa: That’s mean that basically, your mind is not connecting to your
body…
Ben: Anybody who’s going in and try to do a hard workout that
involved any type of coordination like single leg squats or Turkish
get-ups or…
Jessa: That was me yesterday. My lunges were ridiculous.
Ben: Yeah. Even for me, my movement patterns were very poor in that
high intensity interval class that we did today. That was because I
didn’t really know we’re gonna be doing that class and I did kinda
like planked that workout yesterday.
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That’s muscular fatigue and hopefully that gives you a better idea,
Cathy and I hope that you recover quickly from the tendonitis.
Jessa: Yeah. Tennis is a great game. Just picked it up.
Ben: She actually got tennis elbow from construction.
Jessa: Oh I thought you said, tennis.
Ben: Well, tennis elbow. You can get that from swinging ….You should
not try tennis. If you have tennis elbow, you should wait until…
Jessa: Sorry.
Ben: All right. Let’s move on.
Jim: Hi Ben! This is Jim. I’m hoping you can help me find some
independent research on Master Amino Acid Pattern. I’m 46 years
old and run 3 times a week with a weekly mileage of anywhere
between 20 and 25 miles. I strength train on my non-run days 3
times a week and cross train on the elliptical as well. I typically
take a branch chain amino acid as supplement before runs of 8-15
miles. I’m picking up trying MAP but I can’t seem to find any
independent research on it. What I found on Google Scholar all
seemed to come from the same group of scientists that seem to be
affiliated with the product. I know it’s popular in the endurance
community but that all seems to be based on the claims of Dr.
Minkoff. Frankly, his claims about protein absorption and
utilization don’t seem to gel with what I’ve read. I currently
supplement post workout with the whey protein or whey casein
mix. But the FAQs on the MAP website suggest not supplementing
with protein while using MAP. I’d like to see some independent
data before I make such a change to my current regimen. Love
the podcast. Thanks.
Ben: This is a great question.
Jessa: Good question. Something you should question almost everything
with.
Ben: Yeah. The guy that discoverer or the formulator of this Master
Amino Pattern supplement (those are white capsules, they’re not
capsules, they’re tablets. They’re basically what I chomp on or
swallow during a workout and they basically keep your blood
levels amino acids really high.). The basic idea is, this guy where
about a 21-year period of time did a bunch of studies with amino
acids until he found a formulation or a balance that maximize
what’s called net nitrogen utilization. And basically, the way that
you measure net nitrogen utilization is you do what’s called the
nitrogen balance study where you measure the number of grams
of nitrogen that you take in from a supplement or from a protein
powder or anything like that vs. the grams of nitrogen that you
actually excrete in the urine or in the sweat. When amino acids
come into your body whether they’re in the supplement, whether
they’re in meat or eggs or powder or capsules or whatever, the
amino acids are either utilized, meaning that they’re made into
body proteins or they’re de-emanated, meaning that a nitrogen is
kinda locked off of them. And what you have left over is a carbon
and hydrogen and an oxygen that is burned or is stored as a
carbohydrate. There’s a term out there in physiology called
gluconeogenesis, meaning that you could technically take an
amino acid and turn it into glucose if you didn’t use it. The
nitrogen gets locked off or the nitrogen gets removed as a waste
product and for the most part, comes out in the urine as ureas.
That’s the nitrogen out part of the net nitrogen utilization
equation. So if an amino acid is utilized in some type of protein
synthesis in your body such as muscle repair or recovery, it
doesn’t come out in the urine because it becomes part of the body
structure basically. So the net nitrogen utilization is the ratio of
amino acids that come out to the amino acids that come in and it’s
expressed as a percentage. So to do a nitrogen balance study on
say like whey protein, you could eat like 60 grams of whey protein
and you basically collect urine for 24 hours and see how much
nitrogen actually comes out, assuming that you weren’t eating any
other proteins, that you were just eating fruits and vegetables with
very very negligible amounts of protein coming in anywhere else
in your diet. And if you have the ability to actually measure your
urinary nitrogen output, you could do a case study like a single
case study on yourself in a situation like this. There was a double
blind triple crossover study done on MAP and they compared eggs
and dairy to this MAP, this Master Amino Pattern and they found
out that egg has a net nitrogen utilization of 48%, dairy had a net
nitrogen utilization of 16% and the Master Amino Pattern had a
net nitrogen utilization of 99%.
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Now, of course, the issue with this is that the formulators of
Master Amino Pattern were part of the study. Dr. Minkoff is
involved in a lot of the research and a lot of the studies that’s done
on Master Amino Pattern and my basic answer to Jim is that that
is simply the way that it is right now. There’s not that I know of
many independent research studies that have been done on the
stuff. What I do know is that Dr. Minkoff owns a big wellness
center/wellness facility down in Florida and they give it to
patients with pretty severe renal disease and liver disease who
literally can’t handle nitrogen at all like any meshed meat or fish
or eggs because they become nitrogen-toxic but they can take
literally 30 of these Master Amino Pattern tablets everyday
without any nitrogen build up. And they had one published study
that came out of that clinic where dialysis patients took MAP and
avoided proteins and they were able to significantly reduce the
number of dialysis treatments that they needed. They also treat a
lot of cancer patients down there who are in pretty bad shape
nutritionally and they put them on 30 MAP a day and they
maintained significant amounts of lean body mass which is a
pretty big issue in cancer patients is their loss of lean body mass,
their catabolic state and there’s not really other protein or amino
acid supplement that’s able to accomplish this in that case. You
can check out the physician’s desk reference which is abbreviated
the PDR. That includes all FDA-approved drugs and Master
Amino Pattern is not a drug but it does appear in the physician’s
desk reference with all of those details and that gives it a lot of
credibility in and of itself for a lot of physicians and health
professionals. So that’s basically what I would say. I use the stuff.
I know what’s the difference. I haven’t ever talked to anybody
who hasn’t noticed the significant difference when they take this
stuff. And I realized that this could really sound like kind of a fox
guarding the hen house type of offer to Jim. But I’m sure that if
you were to call Lifeworks Wellness Center or you’re to e-mail Dr.
Minkoff and expressed to him your concerns and what not, that
he would be willing to talk to you and he would be willing to
correspond with you on your concern about MAP not having
independent research studies behind it.
Jessa: Interesting. So if you’re not working out hard core, is this stuff
not anchored for you ‘cause you will be using it?
Ben: Well, like I mentioned that there are couple unique situations like
in these renal failure patients or in the cancer patients where they
benefited from the stuff from the medical standpoint.
Jessa: Yeah. But what about the average, I mean I workout pretty hard
but I know I don’t workout like insane intensity but I don’t know
that I would benefit from something like that.
Ben: It depends. For example, if you’re neurotransmitter depleted, then
amino acids can help out because they are the basis if
neurotransmitter formation. If you, generally, beaten your body
up that much, if you’re pretty stable from a neurotransmitter
standpoint, the stuff is expensive – it’s like 60 bucks a bottle. I
mean, you guard your way to buy it unless you’re actually beating
your body up, your neurotransmitter depleted or you have some
kind of medical condition like I was talking about, where might
come in handy for you. So that’s the deal with MAP and it’s a
great question, Jim.
Jessa: Yeah. It is.
Stephanie: Hey Ben and Brock! I’m a 42 year-old avid cyclist who wanted
some advice on training for a bike race next April. It’s called the
Tour of the Battenkill. It’s a 62-mile rolling course of 13
pavements and from what I understand, it’s quite hilly. Currently,
I weight train into Tabatha sets at the gym 3 days a week and I
also take spin classes 2 days a week. Right now, it’s pretty cold. I
live in New England so that world biking is minimal if any. I plan
to do some cross country skiing when and if we get some snow
this winter as well. Can you give me some ideas on the best way to
train for an event like this? My world racing experience consists
of a hill climb event and a time trail last year. I more or less put
this one on the calendar to challenge myself and get into better
shape. Thanks for any help you can give. Love your podcast and
all of your help online. I started listening to you almost a year
ago, became inspired and I’ve never felt better. Thanks.
Ben: All right. I looked into this Tour of the Battenkill thing that
Stephanie is asking about…
Jessa: Sounds intense. Holy cow!
Ben: It is billed as one of the toughest 62-mile bike racer, just one of
the toughest bike races that you can do period.
Jessa: Is it over a road or is it…
Ben: Well, the way they describe it is that it has climbing of nearly
4,000 feet with a maximum gradient of 18%. And anybody who
rides bikes knows that 18% is a pretty tough climb.
Jessa: Yeah.
Ben: So 62 miles of that, you know, going out on 10 miles of some 18%
grade is one kane but 62 miles is tough especially when it has, I
think there’s 10 different sections where there’s like dirt parts in
this.
Jessa: Okay. So what kind of bike should we ride? I’m just curious. This
is not in the question but…
Ben: I’d definitely have the 39-tooth chain ring on your front or like a
compact crank. I’d have a 25 available on the rig cogset so I’d
basically have a gearing that’s favorable for climbing that 18% so
make sure that your bike is set up properly. Gearing standpoints,
with the amount of climbing you’re gonna be doing ‘cause 4,000
feet climbing over 62 miles is…
Jessa: I’m sure lower back is gonna be screaming at you.
Ben: Yes. Or you’re gonna be walking your bike a lot. I’ve got 3 things
that I’d recommend for getting better on the hills that go above
and beyond just doing like spin classes. One would be what I call
hill to temple intervals and this is something that I prescribe to
my athletes a lot of time. Basically, you choose about a 2-4
minute hill and you attack that hill like you climb it hard and you
kind of attack the hills like an always-be-pushing type of approach
uphill. But then when you get to the top of the hill you don’t back
off. You continue to time trial for about 1-2 minutes.
Jessa: That sounds mentally horrible.
Ben: ‘Cause we build up a bunch of lactic acid and muscle fatigue on
the hill and then you get your body used to pedaling in a fatigued
state at the top of the hill so it’s a hill to temple repeat menu.
Climb the hill, you do a temple effort for 60 seconds to 2 minutes
once you’ve reached the top of the hill. And then you turn around
and you descend and do it again.
Jessa: See, I like the real word system where you get to the top of the hill
and then you just talk.
Ben: Yeah, that’s traditional low climbing. This is better. This will get
you way fast results…
Jessa: I believe you. I’m just saying that sounds mentally horrible.
Ben: Next, you mentioned that you’re doing weight training and you’re
doing tabatha sets. Do you know what a tabatha set is, Jessa?
Jessa: I have no idea.
Ben: That’s where you basically do a 4-minute set in the weight room.
That’s 20 seconds on, 10 seconds off. So you do a…
Jessa: How many seconds on?
Ben: 20 seconds on. Like in our circuit class that we do tonight, we’re
doing three 40 second sets and then 30 seconds off. So tabatha
set is 4 minutes like 20 seconds as many push-ups as you can do
and ten 10 seconds off.
Jessa: Okay.
Ben: But it’s a fairly muscular endurance-based style of working out
and I would encourage you if you wanna maximize what’s called
motor unit recruitment and actually get a lot of the benefits that
strength training has been tuned to have on cycling power and
wattage production. I’d be basically spending your time in the
weight room just focusing on power and focusing on strength,
doing lower rep higher weights type of exercises like squats, some
lunges and step-ups and save any metabolic work or
cardiovascular work for riding your bike, for doing this set of
repeats that I’m talking about or your doing some of your spin
classes and your cardiovascular endurance work on the bike. But
don’t use the gym for muscular endurance. Use your bike for
muscular endurance and then go high weight low rep lift for
power and lift for strength that focus on that with your gym
sessions. And then the last thing I would mention is something
that I talked with Chris McCormack about when I interviewed him
a few weeks ago and those were his Macca workouts over at
GetMaccax12.com ‘cause you get 12 of these workouts and 3 of
them are really cycling-intensive. He’s got one workout on that.
It’s called the power up where basically, you go and you climb a
hill and you start at the bottom of the hill in basically fairly easy
gear. But then as you climb the hill, every 2 minutes, you shift to
a harder gear so by the time you get to the top of the hill, you’re
literally mashing gear. And then you go down to the bottom and
you do it again. So it’s like a hill climb except you’re literally
making the hill come super as you go enough. For a hill climb like
this, you wanna use not super duper steep hill climb. If you’re able
to look about 3-5 %.
Jessa: I know when I’m getting ready for a like ______[1:09:47.5] and
go hit our ______[1:09:48.6] which is just like a switch back in
sane grid…..
Ben: Yeah. We have right behind our house. And at the top of it is a
winery. So you’re kinda getting teas that you climb…
Jessa: Don’t do that Macca’s mash whatever he said…something like
that.
Ben: It’s called the power up work and basically every 2 minutes, you
climb a 10-12 minute hill, every 2 minutes, you gear down and
make your gearing more difficult.
Jessa: I don’t think I can do that on a hill. I’d fall over.
Ben: So those are some of my recommendations for you, Stephanie and
hopefully that helps you a little bit. Yeah, that actually wraps up
our questions for today. It’s like a third as long as last week’s
podcast.
Jessa: Yeah. Seriously.
Ben: We’ll put links to everything we talked about over at MyList.
Check that out at facebook.com/bgfitness. We’ll put a MyList for
this episode, Episode #221. It’s like gonna be 11:00 PM soon so
we should wrap this…
Jessa: Yeah. I’m getting a little sleepy. I’m in my cozy jammy’s…
Ben: Listen to our own advice and go to bed but we wanna get a
podcast out to you guys and again remember, my birthday’s
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to Jessa.
Jessa: Goodbye!
Ben: It’s gonna be Brock next week.
Jessa: My last time. Miss you.
Ben: She’s fired. She’s officially fired. You gotta join the inner circle if
you want more of Jessa.
Jessa: You want me talk as much.
Ben: All right. Cool. We’ll catch you later, folks.
Jessa: Later.
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