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Transcript of Ben Greenfield Podcast 105
Podcast 105 from http://www.bengreenfieldfitness.com/2010/07/episode-
105-a-peek-into-the-life-of-an-ironman-natural-medicine-
physician/
Introduction: In this podcast episode: an interview with a natural healing
physician, re-feeding in your diet, psoriasis management, barefoot
running, food allergy testing, high heart rate when running,
anaerobic exercise and cortisol, fasting and amino acids, does
glucosamine work? A drink called Spiz, bipolar medications and
weight gain, eating to avoid diabetes, training on a fixed gear bike,
getting hungry after breakfast, exercising with a sweat suit on,
choosing your sport based on your body type and post-workout fuel
ratio.
Ben: Hey, podcast listeners this is Ben Greenfield and I am back in my
home office. I am happy to be home. I’ve been travelling around
Oregon and California the past couple of weeks. You know, it just
feels good sometimes to get back to home base and be greeted by
that huge pileup of mail and boxes. Anyways, we have had a great
response to my question to you about who you wanted me to get on
the podcast and I have a great series of interviews lined up for the
next few weeks. I’ve been interviewing people while I’ve been on the
go and there are some really fabulous stuff coming down the
pipeline including today’s interview with Dr. David Minkoff who is
an M.D. down in Clearwater, Florida. I’ve met him. I’ve seen his
facility. He has a really great thing going on. He is a wealth of
knowledge. He’s been on the podcast before and he’s also done 37
Ironman triathlons which is just mind blowing. So, he will be with
us today for a fantastic interview. We also have a lot of listener
questions and a few special announcements so we’re going to move
forward to the special announcements.
Okay, the first special announcement is pretty important. As you
may have discovered these podcasts have been getting longer.
We’ve consistently over the past few months had podcasts that
range from 90 minutes to two hours. I know that a lot of you get a
little ways through that podcast and you just don’t have the time to
finish it. So we’ve got a few different solutions for you. The first
would be to split the podcast into chapters. I can do that. I have the
technological means to do that, but occasionally there tends to be
playback issues with certain MP3 players. For example, you take
something like an iPod Shuffle, which is what I use when I’m
exercising. It’s a little, tiny iPod. That really doesn’t have the
capability to read the chapters being split up. So if you press
forward, it will just jump forward to the next podcast or song that
you have. Not the next chapter in this podcast. An iPhone does have
the capability to do that as do a lot of Smart Phones and computers
but ultimately there tends to be a few technical issues with splitting
up the podcast into multiple shorter chapters. So that is an issue.
The other possibility is to put out a Listener Q and A podcast and a
featured interview podcast, essentially splitting the podcast into two
episodes. Now, if that would be palatable to you and you like that
idea then leave me a comment in the Shownotes for this episode.
This is episode number 105 that you’re listening to. If you have
other ideas, if you have other things that you’d like to see
implemented in the podcast, let me know because I design this for
you. I personally get a big kick and a lot of joy out of helping people
out and the best way for me to help you out is for you to let me
know what you want. So go to www.bengreenfieldfitness.com, click
on the Shownotes for episode 105, tell me what you would like to
see. Whether you would like to see me split the podcast into
chapters. Whether you would want a Listener Q and A episode with
a featured interview as a separate episode. Exactly what you want.
So let me know about that.
Then the other announcement that’s podcast related is that we’ve
had many, many requests for transcripts of the podcast so you
could go do a search for anything I’ve ever talked about on a
podcast and have access to it as a transcript of that podcast. Now
this is technically – it’s pretty easy to do, to get a transcription
service to go back over 105 podcasts and transcribe them all. Here’s
the deal, the amount of money it would cost me is $6,000 to
actually go through all the podcasts, get them all transcribed and
get them up at www.bengreenfieldfitness.com as part of the
Shownotes for you to read or as part of a separate Web page that’s
searchable for you. So each Web page would have its own dedicated
episode transcript. Now here’s the deal. Here’s what I’m willing to
do, if you own a business and you have banners or you have
advertising materials or you have a Web page that you would like to
drive people to and you would like people to advertise on all the
transcribed podcasts for the www.bengreenfieldfitness.com
episodes or even parts of the podcast episodes. It’s $60. That’s what
it would cost me to get one podcast transcribed. So if you’re sitting
there and you’re thinking well, we basically get 12,000 visitors to
www.bengreenfieldfitness.com searching through and reading the
content. So that’s the type of traffic you’d be looking at and if you’re
interested in essentially sponsoring the transcription of the Ben
Greenfield Fitness podcast and in doing so having your
advertisement, your business slapped all over those podcasts, then
you need to email me [email protected] and we can
make this happen. I can have all the podcasts transcribed and up
within two to four weeks. It’s just a matter of getting that task
sponsored. So if your business is interested, let’s say you just want
to do 50 podcast episodes, that’d be $60 per podcast episode. It’d
cost $3,000 to get your business banner on the transcribed
episodes for 60 different podcasts and I guarantee there’d be a lot of
eyeballs on those podcasts because we get searched quite a bit and
the www.bengreenfieldfitness.com podcast has a very high ranking
in Google. So if you’ve got a business and you’re interested in
sponsoring that task or that process, it’s something you could do on
an ongoing basis too. If you would like, you could sponsor
bengreenfieldfitness.com and get every single episode transcribed.
12,000 hits on each episode. So check it out and email me
Now, those of you that listen to the podcast regularly already know
that I’m offering a couple of different Ironman triathlon camps. I’ve
got one coming up in Thailand. I’ve got another one down in Austin,
Texas. You need to go to the Shownote episodes, read about those
and shoot me an email if that interests you. I’m very good at making
adventures actually fit for all sorts of different skill levels. This is
not for elite individuals. It’s not for professional triathletes. It’s for
the everyday Joe who wants to get out and train and loves the sport
of triathlon. So email me if you’re interested in getting in on those,
and that is going to wrap up our special announcements. We’re
going to go ahead and move into this week’s Listener Q and A.
If you have a question, you can email
[email protected]. You can Skype to user name Pacific
Fit or you can call toll free to 8772099439 and I’ll put all those
details in the episode Shownotes. I also neglected to mention in the
special announcements that the brand new book on how to qualify
for the Ironman World Championships is now available. I have that
ready on the episode Shownotes. So if you’re interested in the Kona
Ironman World Championships then go check out the Shownotes.
So, that being said let’s move to the first question which is from
listener Chandra.
Chandra asks: About a month ago, I started feeling hungry all the time. Two things
happened in my life around this time. One, I removed wheat, dairy
and soy from my diet. Two, I hit distance in my marathon training
that I’ve never done before. I immediately associated my hunger
with the lack of wheat so after a week of not being able to get
enough food to feel satisfied, I added the wheat back to my diet. I
did not see the difference in hunger at all. I changed my weight loss
weight from two pounds a week to maintaining weight and ate all
the calories that I had burned during exercise. But I continue to
have an appetite increase. I do not want to increase my caloric
intake level to a level that would result in a cessation of weight loss
because I still have about 35 pounds to lose. What is your opinion
on this?
Ben answers: Chandra, there’s been research done on people who engaged in
caloric depletion. You do reach a stage where you plateau. Now,
there’s something called a re-feeding cycle which studies have
shown takes you out of that plateau effectively if you include it as a
part of your dieting protocol. So, for example in one study, the
researchers had people engage in very low calorie diets or diets that
undercut the number of calories they were consuming for 12 weeks.
Then, they went through a one to six week re-feeding cycle in which
they ate calories that kept them at a net caloric balance. The people
who went through the refeeding cycle ended up being more
successful in their weight loss efforts. Now, you can go a certain
period of time being at a caloric deficit before you may begin to
notice that you plateau. When that happens, it seems counter-
intuitive but by simply taking a rest week and/or eating more
calories than you’ve been eating, or as many calories as you need to
achieve caloric balance, you can actually take yourself out of that
plateau. Now I’m not saying for sure that that’s what happened in
your situation, but what is likely is that the combination of cutting
calories from wheat and dairy combined with increasing your
exercise volume resulted in this increase in appetite. Now, if you
held on for several days with that low, low calorie intake, it is
possible that you may have temporarily lowered your metabolism
and so your body is taking a while to actually get back into weight
loss mode. My recommendation would be that you begin to cycle
your week so that you have several re-feeding days during the week.
So what that means is you may attempt to be at a caloric deficit
Monday to Friday and then Saturday and Sunday, you eat a few
extra calories or you at least eat as many calories as you need to
achieve a caloric balance. So if you find out that you’re burning
1,000 calories and your metabolic rate is 1500 calories, you would
want to consume 2500 calories. The weekend refeeding works out
nicely because most people do more exercise on the weekends
anyway so they can get away with eating a little bit more. So that’s
the first thing that I would do, would be to start to cycle your re-
feeding so that you’re re-feeding on the weekends and you can jump
into that right away. So jump into your caloric deficit Monday
through Friday but begin to re-feed on the weekends. Now, the
other problem is when you cut wheat, dairy and soy out of your diet
your calorie count went way down and the reason for that is a lot of
people don’t know how to cut wheat, dairy and soy out of their diet
and still get enough calories. So, that is where I am going to direct
you to my book. Holistic Fueling for Endurance Athletes. It teaches
you how to actually get the thousands of calories in that your body
needs without taking in common inflammatory foods or common
allergy triggers like the wheat, the dairy, the soy, etc. So I’m going to
put a link to that book in the Shownotes. It’s over at Mindset
Triathlon. That’s the only place it’s available for. I wrote it
exclusively for them. It’s also available as part of my Triathlon
Dominator package which is my Ironman training package. It’s
actually available as part of the Marathon Dominator Package as
well. So those are three ways that you can get your hands on that
book. I’ll put all three of those links in the Shownotes. You can
choose how you want to get Holistic Fueling for Endurance Athletes.
The next question is from listener Lee.
Lee asks: I just wondered whether you had any diet advice for those of us who
suffer from psoriasis. Is there anything in particular that can help to
prevent autoimmune reactions like this?
Ben answers: Well Lee, if you listen to the episode and I believe it was episode
102 with Dr. Roby Mitchell, Dr. Fit. He talked about how things like
athlete’s foot and fungal issues, which is really what a lot of skin
issues are, are not necessarily a result of you being exposed to or
having an autoimmune disorder but you being more susceptible to
that disorder because of a thyroid disorder or because of a
nutritional deficiency, vitamin D deficiency, iodine deficiency or an
acidic diet that’s allowing the feeding of fungus. So, the issue is that
there are some natural things that you can do and kind of the list of
protocols that a doctor like Dr. Roby Mitchell would give you for
antifungal control – and I don’t want you to take this as medical
advice – I’m just saying what I would consider for autoimmune type
of skin disorders would be cleaning up your diet. So I would reduce
sugar pretty dramatically. Especially processed sugar. I would
eliminate grains. Just eliminate them. I would definitely look into
optimizing your thyroid. Listen to the episode that was just done on
hypothyroidism with Dr. Mitchell and implement some of the
techniques that he talks about. Possibly including some type of
desiccated thyroid supplement, and that’s again something that
you’d want to discuss with your doctor. I’m not saying that you
should do that. I’m not prescribing you thyroid. I’m just giving you
some advice here. Optimize your vitamin D levels. I personally take
6,000 international units of vitamin D a day. I know people that
take more than that. Most multivitamins are going to have about
300 to 400 international units. Look into adding iodine as well as a
thyroid support. Definitely look into increasing your Omega 3 fatty
acid intake from an essential fat like a fish oil capsule or you could
do a vegan type of flax oil capsule if you didn’t want to do fish oil.
Selenium and HCL are also a couple of treatments that you could
consider for an autoimmune disorder like psoriasis. But basically
what it comes down to is that in the words of Dr. Mitchell, he says
psoriasis is a consequence. It is not a disease. The disease is the
level of oxidation that’s occurring in your body that’s leaving you
susceptible to autoimmune disorders. So, not to put words in his
mouth but I do subscribe to his newsletter. I do read his newsletters
and he does talk about psoriasis in quite a few of them.
So that’s what I would recommend and in the follow up part of your
question, you ask…
Lee asks: One other thing, the food allergy testing that you recommended
recently – would it be possible to access that from Australia? I don’t
know what the rules are regarding international stool postage.
Ben answers: You know what Lee, I’m not sure. I know I’ve had people from
Canada tested but Canada’s closer than Australia. What I would
recommend that you do is call Unikey Health Systems. Call them up,
tell them that I sent you over there and you can Google Unikey
Health Systems or I’ll put a link to it in the Shownotes and call them
up, tell them your situation and if they are not able to provide you
with the food allergy testing from your home that they provide
people here in the States and Canada with, then they may be able to
give you recommendations on an Australian company that is
trustworthy. However, since I don’t work in Australia or live in
Australia, I’m not intimately familiar with any company that would
allow you to test for food allergies from the comfort of your own
home there in Australia. But I imagine that one exists. If you’re
listening in and you live in Australia and you know of one, leave us
a comment on the Shownotes to this episode. Episode number 105.
Now I received a Twitter question. Last week I sent out a T-shirt to
Doug Lloyd for the best question asked via Twitter, and I’ll be
sending out another T-shirt, a bengreenfieldfitness.com T-shirt this
week for the best question asked via Twitter. You can ask a question
on Twitter by going to www.twitter.com signing up for a free
account and then doing a search for Ben Greenfield. You’ll want to
follow me on Twitter and then ask me a question.
Listener asks: I read Born to Run, and now I’m interested in barefoot running.
What is your take on it and do you think it’s worth trying?
Ben answers: Well I received a little bit of flack recently because I actually wrote
on Twitter, “Do you think that cavemen were stupid enough to
actually run barefoot?” What I meant by that was if you’re going to
go out and tread the forest, run after wild animals, run from wild
animals, hunt fish, gather – you’re probably going to want to
protect your feet. You don’t want to be naïve enough to believe there
was no such thing as pine cones and rocks and needles and things
of that nature jutting up from the ground back in the Paleolithic
times, which are often referenced when people give an argument for
the barefoot running protocol. So, the idea is that I am a fan of a
minimalist running shoe. I’m a fan of allowing the foot to hit the
ground as naturally as possible, and the type of things that you
could wear would be like a racing trainer, a five fingers, a lot of
these new shoes like the Nike Frees, and those would be examples
of minimalist running shoes that still protect your foot. So I’m not a
fan of just running out your front door and running completely
barefoot. Now, the caveat to that is I will often include in my
running protocol and in the workouts that I prescribe to my clients,
this workout where I have them run to a park or a grassy soft area
such as a golf course. They run there in their running shoes, they
take their running shoes off. They do a series of 100 to 400 sprints,
anywhere from five to 10 on those. They put their running shoes
back on and they run home. I also do that session myself about once
every two weeks. So in that respect I am a fan of complete barefoot
running. Otherwise I am a fan of minimalist running shoes if you
ease yourself into them. If you’ve been running with regular
running shoes your whole life, you have weak feet, weak ligaments,
weak bones; you can’t just switch to something like a Nike Free and
expect not to get a stress fracture or an overuse injury in you foot.
So you need to add about 10% volume per week in a minimalist
shoe if you’re making that switchover. But from that point, I do
believe that the biomechanics of running tend to be a lot more
natural when you aren’t wearing a big clunky shoe. Interestingly
with regard to the shoes, over at my other podcast at the Quick and
Dirty Tips network which you can access at
www.quickanddirtytips.com, I have an upcoming podcast episode
on those new fitness shoes, the toning shoes that are curved along
the bottom which present a whole new set of issues which I talk
about in that podcast. But ultimately, barefoot running I am a fan of
as long as you do it intelligently. Don’t walk out your front door and
run barefoot because that’s what someone told you is what the
cavemen did. So that’s my response. Great question. Also, listen to
my barefoot running interview with Tellman Knudson who
attempted to run across the country barefoot. Interestingly enough,
he didn’t make it due to a variety of different foot injuries that he
sustained. He was running completely barefoot. But I interviewed
him. I’ll put a link to that in the Shownotes for this podcast episode.
You can listen to my interview with Tellman Knudson.
Another question asked via Twitter.
NewOrleansview asks: I am 42, 220 pounds, 6 foot tall. My resting heart rate is 46. asks
When running, should my heart rate go up to 46 with an easy jog? Ben answers: Big issue. A lot of people will try to do heart rate zone training and
they’ll hear that their heart rate is supposed to be at 120 or 130 and
they begin running and their heart rate jumps up to 150. The reason
for that is because running is a sport of efficiency. If you’re an
inefficient runner or an overweight runner, neither of those
equations or both of those issues are going to affect the equation of
the heart rate zone. Keeping your heart rate zone low. So that’s not
unheard of for your heart rate to jump up to 140 but there are
things you can do to control that heart rate a little bit. I find that
people who are a bit heavier such as yourself and when I’m saying
heavy, I’m not saying you’re obese. I’m saying that at 6 foot tall and
220, you’re heavy for a runner. You can focus on relaxed breathing
techniques, making sure that you’re not letting your breathing get
out of control. Drop your shoulders. Relax your arms. Lean slightly
forward. Try not to push off with your calf too much. Try to use
your hips more when you run. Look into the pose running
technique or the key running technique, both of which are very
valuable. You can Google those and watch some free videos on
YouTube that show you some free techniques for pose running and
for key running. Also if you lost a little bit of weight, you would
notice that your heart rate did not rise so high as you’re running.
But I would look at changing up your running biomechanics to a
more efficient gait and that is not out of the ordinary for your heart
rate to go up to 140 with an easy jog if you’re carrying some extra
weight.
Christine asks: Is there a type of exercise that is better than others for dealing with
stress and counteracting the negative effects of cortisol? Is
anaerobic better than aerobic? Are high intensity workouts better
than longer low intensity workouts?
Ben answers: Well this is an interesting question because there’s kind of a
paradox here. Cortisol is your body’s stress release flight or fight
hormone. It tends to become elevated with overtraining or with just
too much work being put into the body. Small amounts of Cortisol
are very good and they keep you going, keep you sharp, keep you
losing weight. Large amounts tend to have just the opposite effect
and can hijack your immune system and cause you to gain weight,
cause you to have chronic fatigue and really not feel all that
fantastic. So, to answer your question there are two situations in
which I see elevated cortisol ratios. If you wanted to get your
cortisol tested, go to www.bioletics.com and they’ll send you a kit
and you drip saliva into a tube, you send it off to them and they give
you your testosterone to cortisol ratio. Bioletics.com. So the two
situations are number one: when people are overtraining by just
doing chronic volume, day in, day out, two hour bike rides, two
hour runs, long three or four hour runs on the weekends – your
body just can’t take that much high volume training in most
situations and bounce back quickly enough. So you get high cortisol
in that situation. You have a situation in which you see high cortisol
from an exercise standpoint is multiple high intensity interval
sessions without enough recovery between those interval sessions.
So the answer to your question is both can result in high cortisol
levels. I see it more often, especially in females who are overtraining
with volume than females who are overtraining with intensity.
Usually the reason being that it’s tough to over train with intensity.
It’s tough to push yourself day in, day out. But it’s easy if you have
the time and you’re addicted to exercise to sit on a bike for three
hours or to go out on a two and a half or three hour shuffle/jog. So
my advice to you would be to lay out your week so that you have
anywhere from one to two high intensity interval workouts for each
type of sport that you’re doing. If you’re doing something like
triathlon, so one to two high intensity bikes, one to two high
intensity runs, one to two high intensity swims. And everything else
is an easy recovery type of workout. You can do one long workout in
that scenario and the long workout should also be an easier aerobic
workout. If you’re just doing, for example, cross fit or weightlifting
or cross training, a really good workout scenario usually amounts to
three days a week of hard training combined with cardio interval
training, two days a week using a low intensity aerobic workout,
and then on the weekends throwing in either one, a high intensity
interval workout or two, a longer lower intensity higher volume
workout. So if you structure your week appropriately, then you can
get the rest and recovery to keep your cortisol levels down and
counteract the negative effects of that cortisol. But ultimately
there’s a lot of other things from a nutritional standpoint that you
should be doing as well to work on controlling your cortisol levels.
For example, we just interviewed Brendan Brazier last week. One of
the things he uses in his book The Thrive Diet is Maca root. You can
find it in powdered form at any health food store but it’s great for
naturally controlling cortisol levels. The other option is to bump up
your testosterone levels a little bit. I take something called OptiMale
everyday from Bioletics to work on my testosterone levels. Females
don’t have to work so much on increasing T, but if you talk to the
people over at Bioletics once you’ve had your hormones tested,
they’ll be able to advise you on some other things you can do to
control those cortisol levels or to increase your testosterone levels.
So the next question is the question of the week from Twitter, and I
can’t quite pronounce this Twitter user’s name but you know who
you are. Write me with your address if you want me to email me you
a free T-shirt for asking the best question on Twitter this week. I’m
going to email you a free bengreenfieldfitness.com T-shirt. The only
other way you can get that T-shirt is to donate to the podcast. It’s
very simple to donate to the podcast. We’ve had a few gracious
donations over the past several weeks. You simply go to the
“donate” button at the bottom of the Shownotes. Anybody who
donates more than $15 will receive a free bengreenfieldfitness.com
T-shirt along with some other goodies.
Listener asks: I hear glucine without the presence of glucose causes an insulin
release. Should I not be taking branch chain amino acids before a
fasted workout?”
Ben answers: Okay, so leucine is a branch chain amino acid. Branch chain amino
acids are something that can help you to go for a longer time during
a workout. So you get fatigued a little less easily, recover more
quickly after a workout and also engage in caloric consumption of
some of the amino acids that you need for the body not to break
down muscle without consuming a lot of calories in the process. So
you’d take a branch chain amino acid in capsule instead of eating a
steak or eating a couple of scoops of whey protein powder prior to a
workout. It sounds like that’s exactly what this listener is trying to
do. He’s trying to exercise in a fasted state but he’s trying to get
amino acids into his system before he exercises in that fasted state
so he doesn’t cannibalize as much lean muscle tissue. It’s something
that’s compelling. It’s actually an interesting idea and even the idea
that you have a slightly higher blood level of amino acids has been
shown to actually stave off some of the markers that show that
muscle cannibalization could be occurring. So it’s a good idea, but
what he says is he hears it causes an insulin release. Well, it is true
and when you consume proteins you still get an insulin release.
You’re going to get the same insulin release from a pound of
hamburger or a pound of oatmeal. So, a lot of people think that
protein doesn’t cause an insulin release. It does. The issue is that
when you consume branch chain amino acids before a workout so
that you can workout in a fasted state, it’s really not insulin that
you’re trying to avoid. It’s calories and glucose that you’re trying to
avoid. Having high insulin levels during a workout is not going to
keep you from tapping into your fat stores, especially the slight
insulin release that’s going to occur if you’re taking branch chain
amino acids. Now if you were taking in a few scoops of a whey
protein powder – say like 50 or 100 grams of whey protein, if you’re
consuming some chicken or you’re consuming a few eggs, then we’d
be looking at an insulin response that could potentially keep you
from tapping into those fat stores during your workout. But just the
simple act of taking in a little bit of branch chain amino acid powder
or a little bit of branch chain amino acid capsule prior to a work out
– yes, it’s going to cause a small insulin response. No, it’s not really
going to affect your ability to burn fat during that workout. So, good
question. I wouldn’t worry about the BCAAs actually affecting your
fasted workout strategy.
Scott asks: I just purchased your Triathlon Dominator package and I have a
couple questions. First, I am doing the 70.3 in Galveston next April
and was wondering if I should decrease the workouts for that race
or do the whole thing?
Ben answers: For those of you who don’t know what a 70.3 is, that’s a half
Ironman. Short answer is go to the Frequently Asked Questions
page that came with your Triathlon Dominator package Scott and it
tells you exactly how to modify that package for half Ironman. It is
very easy to do.
Now your next question asks about an energy drink called Spiz at
spiz.net. You would like my opinion of it. So when I go to the
Spiz.com or spiz.net Web site, it markets itself as an energy drink,
but folks this is a high, high calorie drink. So don’t think energy
drink like Red Bull. Think energy drink like meal replacement drink.
It’s got whey protein in it, minerals, vitamins, glucose, glutamine
and electrolytes. So you’re looking at a bottle being anywhere from
250 to 625 calories depending on how much you take in. So, my
take on consuming liquid calories like this is that they can be useful
when you’re on the go, when you’re in a pinch and you have the
option of not eating anything at all after a workout or getting in a
post-workout meal. Something like this can work quite well.
However, I find that people tend to over consume them. They tend
to finish dinner, go to a blender at 9 p.m. and mix a meal
replacement drink with chocolate and bananas and peanut butter
and ice and basically use these thinks as a healthy excuse to over eat
way too many calories. It’s very easy to take in too many calories
when you have these meal replacement liquids or powders. So I
have meal replacement liquids. I use one called The Living Fuel
Living Greens product which you can get over at pacificfit.net. I
have that but I tap into that very seldom. I have to be totally honest
with you because it’s very easy. It tastes great and it has tons of
dense calories in it. It’s very easy for me to overeat when I consume
that stuff. So, I’ll do something like put some in a Ziploc bag when
I’m traveling on an airplane and have it for breakfast or a lot of
times when I’m on the go – actually went through almost a full
canister over the past two weeks because I was on the go so much,
and I needed to get quick calories, didn’t have enough time to cook
– that’s when this stuff can come in handy. But be very, very careful.
I don’t see anything in this that’s going to hurt you other than a lot
of calories. So as long as you engage in moderation, it shouldn’t
hurt you too much. I do think that the Living Fuel Super Green that
I take in has a lot better vitamin and mineral and nutrient profile
than this Spiz stuff just because it’s made from all organic
ingredients. So I’d do that if you had to choose between Spiz and
Living Fuel. The Living Fuel stuff is just far superior in my opinion.
So that’s available at pacificfit.net and it’s called The Living Fuel
Super Greens.
Edwin asks: I am a triathlete who’s had an ACL reconstruction and I’m looking
to preserve my mobility as long as I can. There is a huge study on
the effectiveness of glucosamine and it showed this supplement was
no better than a placebo. Am I wasting my time with glucosamine?”
Ben answers: Glucosamine is interesting, it’s been around for a while. Initial
studies on it suggested that it may be promising for managing joint
inflammation and joint pain while exercising. More recent studies
suggest that it really offers no additional benefit over a placebo. The
issue is that there are many, many people who report that
glucosamine chondroitin helps their joints feel better during
exercise. Glucosamine is a component of your joint cartilage as is
chondroitin and a glucosamine chondroitin is usually made up of
something like a ground up chicken cartilage and the glucosamine
is actually typically derived from the shells of shellfish. So if you’re
vegan then you’re probably not going to want to take glucosamine
chondroitin at all anyways. However, I’ve found that many people
report that they feel the effects of glucosamine chondroitin, so it
may have a placebo effect. It may even have a real effect. I really
myself have never noticed any kind of glucosamine chondroitin ever
work with joint pain except for one called CapraFlex which is made
by Mt. Capra. I’ll put a link to that one in the Shownotes. It’s the
only one that I ever really recommend. So the deal with
glucosamine chondroitin is take it if it works for you, but there’s not
a ton of research behind it. So I’ll put a link to the Capraflex in the
Shownotes but then you have a follow up question.
Edwin asks: Also, avocado soybean unsaponifiables have had use in Europe and
are gaining some popularity here in America. What are your
thoughts on these?
Ben answers: Okay, so I told you the glucosamine chondroitin comes from
shellfish and ground up chicken cartilage. The avocado soybean
stuff – there’s actually been some pretty cool clinical research done
on it that actually shows that it can help with some of the symptoms
of osteoarthritis. As a matter of fact there’s been four clinical trials
that show that it helps. But all of the supplements that contain this
have about 1500 milligrams of glucosamine in them. So my
question is, is it the glucosamine that’s working? They also put the
methyl sulfonyl methane in there which we’ve talked about on the
show before as being a sulfate compound that could help with
inflammation as well. So my question is, is it the avocado soybean
extract that’s working? Is it the glucosamine in it that’s working?
Does it matter if it actually reduces the pain that comes from
osteoarthritis? It has promise though. It’s something that I would
recommend if you’re interested in it, you look into it, it does have
some promising research behind it. And, I would imagine that we’ll
probably see these popping up more in America for natural
treatment for osteoarthritis. I can’t necessarily promise that’s going
to help with your mobility or joint change after exercise, but if it has
an anti-inflammatory effect on osteoarthritis, it could. So great
question and thanks for bringing that to my attention.
Amy asks: I recently hired a personal trainer. I work out six times per week. I
restrict calories to 1400 to 1600 per day. I’ve lost 14 pounds since
June 16. I take Depacote and I’m wondering if it’s causing any
problems losing weight.
Ben answers: Depacote is a bipolar medication. I don’t even know if I’m
pronouncing it correctly, but it is an anti-psychotic. Anti-psychotics
are notoriously known for causing weight gain or inhibiting weight
loss. They’re just known for that. Any anti-depressant or anti-
anxiety medication like Prozac or Xolof, Celexa, Effexor or
Wellbutrin, any of those are considered to actually increase your
risk for gaining weight. Now, you have your own reasons for being
on the medication especially if it’s an anti-seizure medication, but
know that it could definitely be causing weight gain. I’m not a
psychiatrist. I’m not going to tell you to get off that drug. I am going
to simply give you the single most important advice that I give
people and that’s exercise is doing you a lot of good. Exercise is a
great mood stabilizer and it’s something that I would definitely
continue to do. If you ever have the opportunity to speak with your
psychiatrist or your physician about alternatives to that drug, then I
would do so because yes, it can be causing weight gain. Now what
are some of the things that you could do? Here is my
recommendation. I have that other podcast that I mentioned – the
Get Fit Guy Quick and Dirty Tips for Slimming Down and Shaping
Up. I’d go listen to the first six episodes over there. Listen to the
first six episodes which are a great primer on fat loss and
jumpstarting fat loss from an exercise perspective to make sure
your personal trainer has you doing the workouts you’re supposed
to be doing. Then make sure that you are watching especially your
sugar and your grain consumption. Those are really the two biggest
culprits that I see in causing weight loss plateaus. So just try those
two simple fixes and the short answer to your question is yes, the
bipolar medications or the anti-psychotics can definitely cause
weight gain or inhibit weight loss.
Cohen asks: I have a few quick questions about my workout plan. For my lower
body I do step ups, lunges, inner and outer thigh machine and heel
raises. Is that enough for a lower body workout? I also have rotator
cuff issues and I’ve been trying to devise an upper body workout
that doesn’t make my rotator cuff worse? Any suggestions?
Ben answers: Yes, here’s my suggestion. Don’t split your body into upper body
and lower body. Especially if you’re limited on time. If you can do a
full body series of workouts like squats to overhead press, lunges
with curls, deadlights with curls, cleans to overhead press, doing
them with dumbbells to allow more freedom of rotation in your
shoulder, you’re going to be getting a lot quicker results than simply
isolating lower body and upper body. Now you could do a lower
body, upper body split if for example you’re an athlete and you
don’t want to use your lower body too much so you work your upper
body two to three times a week and your lower body just once a
week. There’s a lot of cyclists and soccer players and people like that
who have to use their legs a lot. They’ll use a program like that. If
you do decide that you want to continue with just a lower body
workout – you’re doing step ups, you’re doing lunges – those are
great. The heel raises are great, but you’re using the inner and outer
thigh machine for the side to side muscles. Those are open kinetic
chain machines meaning that your feet aren’t touching the ground
when you’re using those. I would look into different exercises.
Specifically one of my favorite ones for working back and forth or
side to side are lateral lunges. You’d be doing yourself a lot bigger
favor if you included lateral lunges instead of those inner and outer
thigh machines. You can see a lateral lunge if you go to pacificfit.net.
Click on the resources tab up there on exercises. You can see a
picture of me doing a lateral lunge. As far as that rotator cuff – an
upper body workout that doesn’t make your rotator cuff worse –
there really isn’t one. The better answer is to strengthen your
rotator cuff and eliminate inflammation in your shoulder. So, you
can do soft tissue massage and ice in the shoulder region to flush
out inflammation. You can use some of the techniques that Dr.
Minkoff will talk about in the featured interview today and then you
can strengthen the rotator cuff using elastic bands or Thera-Bands
and doing actual rotation exercise – high rep rotation exercises
everyday with the rotator cuff. I’ve had rotator cuff issues and you
really do need to stay on top of keeping your rotator cuff strong.
Having a band or a tube made of elastic around the house that you
can use on a regular basis is a really good way to do that.
Chris asks: My first question has to do with foods to avoid for people with
diabetes. I recently found out my mom has Type 2 diabetes and I’ve
heard that dairy, although having a low glycemic index can have a
spiking effect of the insulin response. Does that sound familiar and
should she avoid dairy?
Ben answers: Short answer yes. Dairy does have a lower glycemic index but it can
cause a release of something called insulin-like growth factor which
can spike the insulin levels and lead to a similar response you would
get if you ate a high glycemic index food. That’s why a lot of people,
if they quit eating dairy, they tend to lose weight more quickly. So
that’s something your mother could definitely look into. As far as
other recommendations for eating to avoid diabetes or for
controlling your blood sugar levels, fiber is incredibly important.
Try to include fiber, including lots of vegetables. Limited amounts
of fruits but lots and lots of vegetables is going to help her out quite
a bit. If she doesn’t like to eat her vegetables, she can do something
that I’ve been doing quite a little bit of recently and that’s throwing
vegetables in a Vita-Mix or in a blender and blending them up and
making green juice which still does have fiber and drinking that.
Cutting down on the carbs is important. Not eliminating the carbs
but cutting down on the carbs and focusing on those low glycemic
index carbs is also important. Really, it’s interesting because as
most of the recommendations for diabetics are pretty healthy for
the general population as well. Higher fiber, lower glycemic index,
eating small meals at regular times. Not necessarily because it does
anything magical, but just because it can help control your appetite
a little bit and for diabetics, it definitely helps control your blood
sugar levels. And then starting out all your meals with high fiber
and with vegetable based compounds.
Chris asks: I bought a fixed gear bike for running errands around town. Will
there be any training benefits to riding a fixie or things that I could
do with it that I normally couldn’t do with a regular bike that could
make me a better cyclist?
Ben answers: For those of you who don’t know what a fixed gear bike is, it’s just
what it sounds like. You’ve got one gear. Yeah, absolutely. Fixed
gear bikes are a great training tool if you’re ever able to get your
hands on one. They’re good for building strength and building
cadence. So for example, a workout you do on a fixed gear bike is
you ride a rolling hills course. You can’t gear down going uphill, you
can’t gear up going downhill and so you tend to learn to spin really
fast when you’re going downhill and you tend to build up some
strength and mash the gears a little bit going uphill. Both of which
can have good training effects. So the other thing that’s really fun to
do on a fixed gear bike is a commuting workout or just a Farlick
style training workout where you’re just riding a course and taking
whatever gets thrown at you and attacking it with the one gear that
you do have. So absolutely, fixed gear bikes work well and they
work especially well when you’re just riding a course that has lots of
twists, turns, ups, downs and throws a lot of different types of
terrain at you that you have to attack with just one gear. If you’re
interested in trying out something new in your training, if you’re
trying to improve as a cyclist, it’s something that can actually help
out quite a bit.
Graeme asks: I find myself eating all the time. I really struggle to go two hours
without feeding so I have experimented in changing my breakfast. I
usually have porridge with berries and muesli mixed in. I eat at 9
and by 12 I am starving and end up eating a big lunch. I’ve tried a
bagel with a large coating of peanut butter on a couple of mornings
and do not seem to get as hungry. I have not looked into calorie
counting although my hunch is the calories in peanut butter may be
a bigger meal calorically.”
Ben answers: Graeme, probably not. It’s probably the protein in the peanut butter.
Protein has an appetite satiating effect and anybody out there who’s
eating breakfast and not including protein in their breakfast is
doing themselves a disservice when it comes to keeping your
appetite under control the rest of the morning. What I do is I always
have hot cereal, quinoa, oatmeal any of those and I always mix
protein with it. I’ll use the Living Fuel Super Greens that I talked
about earlier. I’ll also use the Mt. Capra double bonded weigh
protein and I use either of those proteins with breakfast every
morning because it keeps my appetite satiated and I guarantee
when I don’t add that to a morning cereal I get hungry much, much
sooner. You can use eggs as another option. You can use a turkey
bacon or a turkey sausage or ground turkey as a meat-based protein
option for breakfast, but you must include a protein with breakfast
if you’re interested in keeping your appetite satiated the rest of the
morning. So it’s a simple answer. Your porridge and your berries
don’t have much protein. A bagel and peanut butter has a little bit
of protein but not much. I’d go back to the porridge and just add
some protein powder to it.
Got another question via Twitter here.
Hanocks asks: Do you think jogging with a hooded sweatshirt will make me lose
more non-water weight? I know it will make me lose weight but is it
only water weight?
Ben answers: Yes, it’s only water weight. When you work out with a sweatshirt,
you are dehydrating your body. It’s useful for heat acclimation. It’s
useful for very quick weight loss to make weight for something like
a wrestling or a bodybuilding competition. But really you’re just
dehydrating your body and you’re losing water weight. There’s no
added carbohydrate burning or fat burning effect. The problem is
because fat burning relies on a molecule of water as do most of the
metabolic or physiological scenarios within your body, by
dehydrating your body you can actually shut down your metabolism.
I would be really careful working out with the hooded sweatshirt or
any type of sweating type of gear unless you are truly prepping for
an event that’s going to take you into a hot and humid climate
which you must learn to conserve water for or you’re trying to make
weight very quickly and I hesitate to even recommend that because
I know there are a lot of kids out there that do damage to their body
trying to make weight for a wrestling event. But any of you who
have wrestled know that sometimes it does become necessary to
shed a couple of pounds quickly and one way to do it is to sweat it
out. I used to do that when I was body building. But just be careful
and understand that you’re probably doing yourself more of a
disservice unless you’re doing that for heat acclimation – for
competition in a hot environment.
David asks: I’ve been cycling for many years and just this year began dabbling
in sprint and Olympic distance triathlons which has required
improving my swim and run. While I have enjoyed this season with
some success, I have been asking myself the question, what next?
Realizing this decision is my own, from a physical, competitive
perspective, could you describe the advantages one might have and
what body types are typically most successful in cycling versus
running versus triathlon?
Ben answers: Absolutely. What you’re going to notice with the cyclists is a good
cyclist will tend to have smaller shoulders, smaller upper body,
smaller arms and will tend to have cannibalized a little bit of their
muscle in their upper bodies which is one of the reasons why Lance
Armstrong did so well in cycling, because he cannibalized quite a bit
of his upper body when he was recovering from cancer and when he
had cancer. But very strong legs. So your power to weight ratio is
very high. You look at a runner, they tend to be consistently skinny
or what is called an ectomorph type. Lots of lean muscle, lot of slow
twitch muscle. Good runners usually tend to have a little bit more of
a gaunt look to them. I’m not saying that all runners are like that,
but distance runners typically are skinner and not quite as built
especially in the thighs, the butt and the hips as a cyclist. So if you
look at your body in the mirror and you are a very, very skinny
person and you really don’t have much leg musculature then you
may end up running to be an easier activity but you may also be
able to build muscle in your leg and be competitive in cycling.
Triathlon, you add a little bit of upper body muscle to the equation
because of the swimming and you’ll tend to see shorter distance
triathletes have a little less muscle, be of a little more slight build
and because muscle is very good for absorbing joint impact and
necessary for the strength requirements of a half Ironman or an
Ironman distance event, you’ll see the half Ironman and Ironman
athletes tend to be just a little bit bulkier. So ultimately, you can
really invent the body you want. Slow twitch and fast twitch muscle
fibers can be converted into different types of muscle fibers and so
if you decide you want to add upper body muscle and upper body
mass and you want to add strength and you want to become a
swimmer, you can do that. If you want to add thigh strength and hip
strength and hip musculature and get a bigger butt and become a
cyclist, you can do that as well. So, ultimately I used to be a 210
pound body builder. I’m a 172 pound triathlete now. You can take
your body anywhere you want to take it. What I would encourage
you to do is choose what gives you the most joy, not what you feel
you should be doing when you look at your body in the mirror. So
good question.
Meredith asks: How many pills are you popping in a day? I’d prefer to get most of
my nutrients in actual food form and non-processed.
Ben answers: Well I personally eat a lot of real food. I have a huge organic garden
in my backyard. But when I get up in the morning I typically will
take an essential fatty acid. Actually I take my essential fatty acid
more in the mid morning than in the early morning and then I also
take a green supplement in the morning. I take a vitamin D. I take a
zinc and magnesium supplement called Prostalon for heavy
prostate function in males. And I take co-enzyme Q10. Before I
work out, I’ll take Cortaseps extract and occasionally I’ll take beta-
alanine supplement. After a workout, I’ll take some protolytic
enzyme pills and branch chain amino acids. So yeah in a typical day
I probably pop about 10, 12 pills and to me that’s prevention. I feel
fantastic. My performance goes through the roof when I take them.
I get sick when I don’t and one of the reasons for that is that you
have to eat a lot of calories of real food to be able to get all the
nutrients and vitamins and minerals that I’m getting with the
supplements that I’m taking. So I can get away… I eat about 3000
to 3200 calories a day. I’d need to eat closer to 5000 if I wanted to
get everything that I’m getting from real food. I’d still have a lot of
holes in my diet. So yes, I do pop probably more pills than the
average person, but it’s well worth feeling fantastic 24/7. Well
worth it. You couldn’t pay me to quit taking supplements.
Meredith asks: I have stomach pains that I get after taking a gel that I think are
from amino acids in the gel. Please help.
Ben answers: Well I wouldn’t necessarily say the stomach pains are due to amino
acids. If you look at the comparisons of the different types of sugars
in energy gel, they range from – a Goo energy gel has maltodextrin
and fructose in it as does a PowerBar gel. A Cliff gel has brown rice
syrup in it. A Honey Stinger has honey in it. Hammer gel has
maltodextrin, fruit juice and dextrose in it. An Excel gel has fructose,
maltodextrin and dextrose in it. A lot of times people don’t do so
well with certain sugars, so it could come down to you being
sensitive to a certain type of sugar. I know people who are very
sensitive to fructose and who don’t do well at all when a gel has
fructose in it. So you may want to look at a gel that does not have
fructose in it. That would be one thing that you could do. When you
say you’ve had better luck eating a Honey Stinger chew during a run,
look into the Honey Stinger gels. That’s what I would do. They’re
made with the same ingredients and it’s just basically honey. So
that’s my recommendation to you.
Meredith asks: I’ve been told I should not mix an electrolyte drink with your gel as
that will create intestinal distress.
Ben answers: It could. You want to be really careful, and always what I
recommend to people is when you’re competing in an event, don’t
drink an electrolyte drink at all. Just drink pure water. Take a salt
capsule when you need one and eat a gel that makes your stomach
feel okay. I talk about my feeling and recommendations very
extensively in both my Marathon Dominator program as well as my
Triathlon Dominator program and in many, many previous podcast
episodes on this show. So, I would listen to some past episodes if
you want more on fueling during exercise.
Karen asks: I have heard you say that after a workout, you should eat just two
calories of carbohydrate per pound of target body weight and half
that for protein. But does this vary based on intensity and duration?
Is this ratio the same regardless of the type of workout that you just
did?
Ben answers: Well the answer is yes. The ratio that is shown to be most effective
is a 3:1 or 4:1 carbohydrate to protein ratio. There are several pre-
formulated compounds that are basically just protein sugar that
exists on the market. An example would be Hammer Gel who
makes one called Recoverite. Goo makes one called Recovery Brew.
Durox makes one called R4. The list goes on and on. Almost every
supplement manufacturer out there has a protein carbohydrate
post-workout blend that satisfies that protein carbohydrate ratio.
There’s going to be a discussion next week in my interview with
Alan Aragon over whether these are pretty overhyped anyways and
whether you even need to be consuming much fuel after a workout.
We have a really interesting discussion about that next week but I
recommend that you eat real food as much as possible. Some of the
recommendations that I give to my clients and some of the foods
that I take in myself as far as real food after a workout include a
bowl of Quinoa with some almonds mixed into that. You could also
do chicken and brown rice. You can do sweet potato with a table
spoon of almond butter. You can do a handful of a snack mix like
almonds and coconut shavings with dried cranberries or blueberries
or papayas and pineapple. You could do sweet potato or a yam with
a little bit of chicken. Those are just some quick examples. I also
like to do a piece of fruit with a few protein pills like Recover Ease
pills. That’s something that I’ll do quite a bit, then I’ll have a real
meal a little bit later. But ultimately I wouldn’t get too obsessed
about the post-workout meal unless you’re working out again
within about four hours after the workout that you’ve just finished.
That’s when you may want to go for that optimized 3:1 or 4:1
carbohydrate to protein ratio.
Kara asks: Hi Ben, this is Kara and I love your podcast, listen to it every time I
work out. I have a quick question for you. What is the difference
between a probiotic and I guess an enzyme supplement? What’s the
benefit? Do you need to have both or is taking a probiotic good
enough? Just want to know if they do the same thing or do they do
different things?
Ben answers: Good question Kara. People get confused this a lot just because
probiotics and digestive enzymes are often two things that people
tell you to take when you have stomach upset or difficulty digesting
food. They are definitely different. I personally do take both on an
occasional basis. The probiotic is bacteria and it’s a living
microorganism that lives in your gut and it’s necessary for normal
health. People who have probiotic deficiencies can tend to have
higher cholesterol, higher blood pressure, increased risk of colon
cancer, usually a lactose intolerance, fungal growth in their gut. A
lot of the reasons for that is because there needs to be a balance
between the microbes that grow in your stomach because that
balance can inhibit pathogens and toxin producing bacteria as we
well as fungi. So probiotics are found in things like dairy products
like yoghurt and soy yoghurt. You can get them from dietary
supplements as well as a probiotic extract. The one that I have in
my cupboards and the one that I use is made my that company I
mentioned earlier Mt. Capra. It’s called Caprabiotics. I’ll put a link
to that one in the Shownotes. So the digestive enzyme, they’re
something completely different. Those are actual enzymes that
break down molecules of food into smaller building blocks. So
you’ve got digestive enzymes that do their work on carbohydrate,
digestive enzymes that work on fat, digestive enzymes that work on
protein. Usually carbohydrate digestive enzymes are called
amylases. The proteins are called proteases or peptidases and the
ones that break down fat are called lipases or lipase. So digestive
enzymes are something that can help you break down food that you
may not be able to break down quite as easily. Somebody was telling
me the other day that they’re having trouble digesting meat and
there’s one protein based digestive enzyme called bromelain that
tenderizes meat and can act as an anti-inflammatory agent as well.
So I told him, you may want to consider popping a little bromelain
when you eat. Another one is lactase. I take lactase before I eat ice
cream or yoghurt or milk. The reason I take lactase is because I
don’t digest lactose very well. I take actually a combination of
digestive enzymes before I eat a meal that I know is going to have a
lot of dairy based products in it. The one that I use is actually – it’s a
relatively new digestive enzyme. It’s from Millennium Sports. It’s
one that I just started taking recently but I’ve had a lot of success
with it in terms of how I feel after a large meal. It’s a digestive
enzyme. It’s from Millennium Sport. If I coach you or you’re one of
m clients, then you have a code where you can get a 50% discount
on those digestive enzymes from Millennium Sports. But I’ll put a
link to those in the Shownotes and I believe they’re just called
Enzymes. I’m pretty sure that’s the name of them over in the Web
site. So check those out.
Now we’re going to have a special message and we’re going to move
on to the call with Dr. Minkoff, but remember if you have a question,
just email [email protected]. Call to 9772099439 or
Skype Pacific Fit.
This interview was done in a coffee shop so I apologize for the
typing and background noise.
Hello podcast listeners. This is Ben Greenfield and today’s guest is
Dr. David Minkoff. You may remember that Dr. David has appeared
on the show a couple of times at bengreenfieldfitness.com to talk
about the master amino pattern amino acid capsule and also to talk
about the three main causes of illness and poor performance. If you
want to listen to that previous interview that he did, I will put a link
to that in the Shownotes. But he is an alternative healthcare expert,
guest lecturer for medical conferences across the nation, he is a
writer, a radio show guest, former radio show host. He has over 30
years of experience helping people – everybody from people with
aches and pains to professional athletes – help achieve their goals
and return to health. He himself has done 25 Ironman triathlons
and if I’m mistaken you’ll be in Kona this year, the year this is
recording. Correct, Dr. David?
Dr. David Minkoff: Yes, actually I’ve done 36 Ironmans and Kona this year will be 37.
Ben: Okay, so I’m way off the mark. Thirty-seven Ironman triathlons for
this man. He knows how to take care of his body and we’re going to
be talking about that and a lot more today. So, the first thing to start
with is, Dr. Minkoff, people are probably wondering how a guy like
you who manages your own medical facility down there in Florida
and who’s seeing patients and doing all these other things that
you’re doing – how do you actual manage your fitness? Your
triathlon training? How does a typical training day or week look like
for a natural healing physician like yourself?
Dr. David Minkoff: Well I find that I got to get up early so I can get my training done
before my day starts because otherwise the day pretty much is filled.
So, I try to get up between 5 and 5:30. I usually wake up by myself. I
can get a couple of hours of training in before 9:00 when I really
start my workday.
Ben: Now, how many hours of sleep do you think is important for
someone to get? Are you one of those eight to nine hour sleep guys?
Are you a five hour guy?
Dr. David Minkoff: Well I’m like a six hour guy. If I get six to six and a half, I’m fine
but my rule ever since med school is I need a nap everyday. So I
build my day around – I’ve got to make sure I program in a 30
minute – usually it’s about 30 minutes, 25 to 30 minute nap in
somewhere between noon and 2:00. If I can do that I’m fine with
six and six and a half hours at night. I find that if I sleep too much
at night I get achy when I wake up and it’s not good for me. But if
I’m in bed at 11 and I’m up by 5 to 5:30, I wake up feeling rested
and then if I can get my nap in I’m fine. If I don’t, I’m cranky. I feel
myself slowing down. So that seems to work for me pretty well.
Ben: Okay, gotcha. Then you get a couple of hours of training in the
morning?
Dr. David Minkoff: Yeah, I can usually get a couple of hours of training in the
morning, weekdays. And I stagger it. I do Monday, Wednesday,
Friday. Right now it’s summertime and I’m in Florida and I’m only
about three miles from Clearwater beach so I just hope on my – I
usually do some yoga stretch stuff for 20, 30 minutes. Sometimes
45 minutes with some calisthenics to warm up then I can just hop
on my mountain bike over to the beach and then I’ll swim a mile
and a half or so usually and then come back home. That’s my
Monday, Wednesday, Friday workout. On Tuesday and Thursday I
do bike, run or usually it’s run, bike. Then Saturday a long bike with
a short run and Sunday usually a long run and then sometimes a
short swim. That’s sort of how I stack up the week.
Ben: Okay.
Dr. David Minkoff: Then I work all day. We actually have a medical practice but I
also have a product company, Body Health. So, I have overseeing
duties in both of these areas. I do see patients and I oversee the
medical practice. We have an acupuncturist, a nurse practitioner, a
chiropractor, naturopath. So we have a busy clinic and there’s lots
of stuff to do there. Then the newsletters I do go out to about
15,000 people a week which cover natural health and also fitness
and we have a team of really good Ironman age group triathletes
who write for us or help me write it and so that takes some time too.
So it’s busy. I have a couple of grandkids. Life’s busy. It’s a full day.
Ben: Yeah, and I actually subscribe to that newsletter. I would encourage
you guys to. I’ll put a link to that in the Shownotes. But let’s get into
some of the meat of things that people can takeaway from what
you’ve learned about your own body and the people that you work
with, Dr. Minkoff. In terms of things that you struggle with as a
fitness enthusiast, as an Ironman triathlete, do you have trouble
with health issues? Joint issues? Injury issues? Does a doctor –
when they get into that situation – do they tend to self-diagnose or
do you go to other people for your health needs and can you give
some examples of ways that you manage your own body that people
can learn from?
Dr. David Minkoff: Well I find that if I keep the basics in really well, like I try to eat
really well. So I stay away from processed food. I eat mostly a paleo
type diet. I avoid grains. I don’t eat any grains. I don’t eat any dairy
products. If it comes in a package or a box or it’s got other
ingredients on it, I stay away from it. So, I eat lots of fruits and
vegetables. I eat meats. I eat a lot of eggs. And I like fish but I avoid
fish mostly because it’s hard to get fish that isn’t full of mercury and
chemicals and stuff. So mostly once a week I’ll have some sardines
or something or if I can get some fresh wild salmon, I might have
that now and then in a restaurant. But I watch it because I think
there’s problems with it. So that’s really important. I don’t do well
when I eat sugar. I used to be – from the age of 14 to about five
years ago – I was a vegetarian and I thought that was good for me,
but I found out that I was breaking down and I wasn’t healing and I
was getting injured frequently and I went off the dairy products
which was mostly what I was eating as a vegetarian, my body did
much, much better. So I feel like this is – so when I got better, we
introduced it to the clinic and we started putting people on it in our
clinic – we found that almost everybody got a resurgence within a
couple weeks of feeling better and more energetic and they just got
off all the junk. So it was feeling really better. So I watch that and
I’m careful with that. I eat out really fairly irregularly because the
food at home is just so much better. I might on occasion go places
but I try to – we eat mostly at home because we can just have more
choices over what we get.
Ben: I was going to ask you when you’re injured, it was something that
we talked about a while ago with another physician, Dr. Roby
Mitchell, about inflammation and injury, do you have specific
cascades of treatment that you use for yourself personally when you
experience a sprain or a strain? Are you an ibuprofen guy or do you
have something else that you do?
Dr. David Minkoff: No, I don’t do drugs at all. I got to be really bad to take – I don’t
use the drugs at all. I only use natural anti-inflammatories. I use ice,
I use heat. I like massage. I try to get a massage every week. I like
chiropractic. I think that – you’ve interviewed Jeff Spencer, he’s got
some stuff there that is just amazing where the body – actually
there’s misfiring of muscles on a neurologic basis which isn’t a
structural base, and if you find where those (unintelligible) are, and
you just laser them for a couple of seconds, you can feel your body
just go right back to the way it’s supposed to go. I saw a
chiropractor last night and I was having pain in my low back and he
muscle tested me and found some out points in my sacroiliac joint
and he uses this little vibrator on three areas. One on the tip of my
coccyx and then up where the sacroiliac ligaments are and I felt like
a new guy in about three minutes and I just couldn’t believe how
these misalignments can make such a difference in not only how I
feel but how my muscles and my body looks. So I think there’s a lot
of technology in that area which I find very helpful.
Ben: You just talked about vibration and laser. For some people, those
two terms are completely alien when it comes to treating their
injuries. Can you briefly go over not only those but any other
technologies that you use that people might not be familiar with but
might be beneficial for them to know about when it comes to their
recovery from workouts?
Dr. David Minkoff: Sure. There are a number of lasers on the market which emit
frequencies which resonate with the healthy tissue level of limbs,
ligaments and tendons and muscles and where there are blockages,
there might be little areas where there’s muscle spasm. There’s a
metabolic abnormality there. There are collections of metabolic
byproducts. I think people used to call it lactic acid, but I don’t
really think it’s lactic acid. I think it’s other things or toxin
accumulation where the muscle might feel tender or if you test the
muscle strength wise, the muscle will be weak. It won’t get a nice
solid – where it’s really strong. It’s not firing right.
Ben: Hey I lost you just when you were talking about the muscle not
firing right.
Dr. David Minkoff: Okay. So when the muscle doesn’t – when you have muscle and
you have somebody hold it and it doesn’t lock, there’s a sensation
where it locks solid or it doesn’t lock and when that occurs there’s a
misfire in the system. Using a laser, it’s sort of a re-setter. When
that thing gets reset, the whole body then (unintelligible) how it
works because the body is really one continuous unit. It’s a
continuous unit of connective tissue that keeps everything together.
Connective and neurologic tissue that keeps everything together.
It’s like a circuit. It’s like a flowing circuit. I think the acupuncturist
had this correct when they call them meridians where the Chi flows
through the body and wherever there is too much Chi or not enough
Chi, then the body doesn’t perform right and it doesn’t work right.
If you’re perceptive about your body you can feel it. But you may
have no idea what’s wrong. Last week when I went to the
chiropractor I felt like my adductors in my leg, the muscles that pull
your leg in – my hip was feeling unstable and it was like this is
weird. So he checked them out and there was some misfire on my
L3 nerve and he did a laser treatment at a point just next to the
belly button on that side and an inch above it. He did a two second
laser treatment on that and when I stood up, my hip felt normal and
my adductor now tested strong whereas before he pulled it, it was
weak. I couldn’t keep my knees together and it’s remarkable. So,
these little things are fantastic technology for athletes. They’d really
help. So, I would just recommend it to people because I find that
with good chiropractic care, good massage can really keep people
on their feet and also have them performing better and feeling
better. To try and self-diagnose you’d never be able to do it. I like
that.
Ben: Interesting.
Dr. David Minkoff: Yeah. It’s called (Orgonian) laser and there are other lasers in
there that people are using but this is an incredible technology
where the body gets a message from a frequency that then alters
how it operates and it’s wonderful. Another thing that I use – I’m
sorry.
Ben: Actually go ahead. Tell me about this other thing.
Dr. David Minkoff: Well another thing is this thing called frequency specific micro
current. It’s a low grade electric frequency. Actually different
frequencies. You can dial them in depending on if it’s a tendon,
ligament or joint pain and you put this on the skin and it delivers a
current and you do it for 20, 30 minutes and it really improves
healing time. It makes a difference. Probably everybody’s seen this
thing where a guy’s got a broken bone and the orthopedist is trying
to get the bone to heal faster so they’ll put electrodes on either side
and if they deliver just the right amount of a specific electrical
frequency you can get bone healing to occur a lot faster. So this
same technology has been worked out where the same thing occurs
with muscles and tendons and ligaments where you can get
improved healing time and there’s practitioners who do this and
you can get help from these guys. I think this is – it’s a good
investment because if it’s done right and if it’s what you need, you
will walk out of there feeling like wow that’s a worthwhile thing to
do. So I believe in this stuff because I think it really helps and it
makes a difference. One of the other things we find in our office is a
lot of people have either a leg length discrepancy or because of the
various imbalances in their pelvic muscles and abdominal muscles
that they have a short leg. It might be a couple of millimeters. It
might be four, five millimeters. And you can get them balanced with
heel lifts. We have lots of people that walk out with heel lifts and
feel like they’ve just been blessed because they now feel right. A lot
of times these imbalances can get corrected over time where they
end up with no heel lift. They make a huge difference in someone
with chronic back pain or chronic thoracic pain or chronic hip pain
where they really have a stressor on the body due to a musculo-
skeletal imbalance and it’s correctable. It’s diagnosable and it’s
correctable and the best thing is the patient feels like yeah this is
the right thing. It’s not something that doesn’t really make a
difference. It really makes a difference. Another thing that I…
Ben: That’s something that really saved me. But all these things that
you’re talking about – you’re an M.D., did you learn this stuff in
medical school?
Dr. David Minkoff: No, no, no. The problem with M.D.s is there’s so much stuff to
learn. The orientation of medical learning after – the first two years
of medical school are basic anatomy and physiology and pathology
which is all great stuff but a lot of clinical medicine is oriented
around drugs and surgery. Now surgery can be helpful. When you
need it, it’s good to have a surgeon who knows what they’re doing.
But a lot of the pharmaceutical therapies aren’t good long term and
they don’t help. Ibuprofen is not good. It impairs muscle healing. It
impairs bone healing. You get a weaker response. You get
incomplete healing responses. There’s a lot of literature on this. So I
try to have people stay away from that stuff. If they’re in incredible
pain and they can’t move, by all means let’s get the person out of
pain. But as an answer to a problem, usually the pharmaceutical
remedies are good in an emergency situation but they’re not good in
a long term situation. If we can do it with these more subtle
therapies, these energetic therapies and nutrition therapies and
hands on therapies; the person is way better off in the long run and
it may take a day or two longer but I think it’s well worth it because
you get a better response. The other thing that I really believe in
and do a lot of is something called prolotherapy. Prolotherapy is
where a lot of people who have joint pain or even muscular-skeletal
pain that comes from joints as a result of ligaments that are
supposed to be holding a joint in place that have either been injured
through trauma or just from malnutrition or aging have kind of
stretched out or gotten weak. What you end up then is with a joint,
it might be in your neck, it might be in your lower back, it could be
in your pelvis, it could be in your knee where the joint is now
unstable. In response to an unstable joint the body will have the
muscles in the area go into spasm or try to increase the tone of
those muscles to stabilize the jiggling. That causes chronic pain in
muscles. Probably a lot of the fiber (unintelligible) symptoms that
people get is maybe due to this. So, the trick is to inject a very
diluted glucose (solution) into the tendon or ligaments or joint.
What occurs is that the tendons and ligaments will shorten and
thicken and then you get a stable joint. The muscle tendon relaxes,
the pain goes away. The joint works better and if you inject the
solution into the joint it stimulates cartilage to joint and you can get
re-growth of cartilage within the joint. So this is a wonderful
therapy for people who have injuries or unstable joints or chronic
knee pain or chronic shoulder pain or chronic neck pain. Two to six
treatments every two weeks or every three weeks where we inject
those areas – they get complete relief. It’s fantastic and I’ve had it
myself and I’ve done it on hundreds of people and there’s a lot of
medical literature on it. There’s a journal of prolotherapy which is a
peer review journal so I would never advise someone with a torn
cartilage in their knee to go get surgery or chronic pain, an
orthopedist says let’s go in there and just clean it up. I would never
do that as a first treatment because so often with the prolotherapy,
with a couple of injections around the knee joint and one in the
knee joint, within six to eight weeks that person’s knee pain is either
gone or way better and they haven’t had to get cut. That’s another
thing that I think makes a real difference in people.
Ben: So for the people who are listening in and who would like to start to
adopt more of these natural healing methods in their own recovery
routines or for their own triathlon training or for their sports –
whatever sports they happen to be competing in – obviously not
everybody lives in Florida where you are, but how can somebody
start? If somebody were to go Google somebody in their local area
or search, how do you know if you are going to see somebody like
you who’s a trained M.D. who’s been doing this for decades versus
seeing – for lack of a better word – a quack?
Dr. David Minkoff: Well, that’s a good question. That’s a really good question because
in my experience there aren’t a lot of guys who have all these things
in one place. I think that there’s a lot of guys out there who
probably are not coming from an M.D. background but coming
from more of a co-practice, sport background where it would be a
good place to start for the muscular-skeletal part of this thing. My
model is there’s sort of a four component theory of what goes wrong
with the body. So the first component of that is kind of the
structural aspect of things. Are joints aligned? So if you’re looking
at that, if you go to www.getprolo.com, it’s a Web site, you can find
a prolotherapist in your neighborhood and if you’ve got chronic
joint pain, chronic knee pain, chronic ankle pain, unstable joints,
having to go to the chiropractor every week because your back just
doesn’t hold, you’ve got loose ligaments in those areas and probably
80 to 90% of the time, the prolotherapist can fix you within a
couple months’ period of time. There’s a long list of guys on that
Web site and multiple locations where you can find somebody who
does it.
Ben: What’s the name of that Web site?
Dr. David Minkoff: www.getprolo.com.
Ben: www.getprolo.com. Okay, I’ll put a link to that in the Shownotes.
Dr. David Minkoff: So I think if there’s a situation like that, I would look into that.
That’s on the sort of muscular-skeletal end of it. Then there’s a
bunch of chiropractors in our neighborhood who are interested in
sports and they’re interested in laser and they’ve got this stuff in
their offices. They can – you might ask, do you do lasers? Are you
treating athletes? And a lot of these guys are just good guys and
they’re interested in performance and they can really help. I think
treatment – before actually I was evaluated – if something is not
happening within a couple of times, I’m looking someplace else. I
think there should be a foreseeable change in the treatment. It
shouldn’t be 20 weeks before you notice a difference. You have to
know it’s working or know it isn’t, so to trust yourself. Then you
may have to shop for some other guys. The next aspect of the thing
– the first one is the structural aspect. The second level is the
biochemistry aspect. It’s the thing we talked about in the last show.
People have nutritional deficiencies. They really do. I probably
mentioned this last time. I’m for (leading) vitamin D level and
everyone that walks in, with sunshine here 360 days a year, and one
in 10 has a normal vitamin D level. Everyone else is vitamin D
deficient. Vitamin D has hundreds and hundreds of metabolic
required reactions from all your steroid hormones to hypertension
to immune response to protection against cancer and everybody is
low. You’ve got two choices. You can either just ditch the sunscreen
and get a half hour to 45 minutes of son every day or you can
supplement with vitamin D. It’s really cheap. Take a supplement,
check your level every couple of months. I like to keep people at
high normal which is between 70 and 90. Most of the people
walking into our office our 15, 20. The lab core low normal is 30,
but it’s way too low. We know that if you’re above 50 or 60, your
incidence of getting colon, prostate and breast cancer is reduced to
46%. There’s nothing like it that’s ever been known to reduce cancer
risk like vitamin D. So it’s a huge factor and 99% of the population
is low. If you’re living up in your area in Seattle where there’s no
sunshine, your chances are 100% you’re vitamin D deficient.
Unfortunately 400 units in the multivitamin or if you’re drinking
milk – it’s not even a lick of a chance of getting it normal. We have
people that – I have yet to see someone who doesn’t require 5,000
units a day which is a huge dose compared to the way we used to
think about it – to keep them in a range of 70 to 90, and a lot of
people require more. So, it’s inexpensive. It really makes a
difference and it’s something that I would demand from my
healthcare practitioner that when you get your annual checkup, that
you get a vitamin D level. It’s 50 bucks and it’s a really important
thing. So this biochemistry area, that’s just one of the things. Most
people don’t have enough antioxidants in their system. We have a
skin device which measures kelatinoid levels, and kelatinoids are
the colored pigments that are in fruits and vegetables. These are the
main antioxidants in the body. They protect the body against inside
rust. It’s the thing that eventually leads to heart disease, artery
disease and strokes and cancer and arthritis. It’s the free radicals
that attack the body and the body’s ability to resist free radicals has
to do with having enough of these kelatinoids and other substances
around. Vitamin C, vitamin E. Because they protect the body from
these rusting agents. The other thing is a normal level of these
antioxidants in people is over 50 on this particular device and the
average we see is 18. Most children are below that. In order to get
above 50, you have to be eating 10 to 12 servings of fruits and
vegetables a day and people aren’t eating 10 to 12 servings of fruits
and vegetables a day. So you got to do something about it. I listened
to your last podcast yesterday. You’re talking about one of the
things you take everyday is green powder. Well people better take
green powder everyday because that’s loaded with these things and
it will kick the level up to above 50 and they get protection from it.
The more active you are, the more you’re out in the elements, the
more you need. So I take a lot of these. My diet is full of these things.
I also take a different brand that you have but I don’t think it makes
a whole lot of difference that you take these things which you can
protect yourself and keep yourself – it’s part of your body armor. So
that’s just one of the other areas in the biochemistry strata that
makes a difference. Athletes have to watch their iron. They have to
watch their amino acid intake. We have this product called (Maps)
and every athlete I know practically and every patient I see, if we
measure their serum, essential amino acids, they are low. They’re
low. Their diet is not providing what their body needs to maximize
or optimize their genetic potential. So their essential amino acid
levels are low. They might be eating enough protein but they’re not
digesting it or they’re not absorbing it. It’s not doing them enough
good. With Maps. If we put people on good doses of Map, we can
normalize those things in about three months and their levels come
up and they feel better and they heal better and on a long term basis,
they preserve their bone and their muscle and their enzymes and
their hormone and they function better. These are just three.
There’s more that I try to keep track of, but those are basic ones
that are just really important on this biochemistry level. It’s take
your vitamin D and get enough fruits and vegetables and take green
powders and then take MEP because it will preserve your lean body
structure.
Ben: Go ahead.
Dr. David Minkoff: I was going to go to the next level.
Ben: Actually, I’d like to hear the next level before I ask my next question.
Dr. David Minkoff: The next level we look at is this energetic level. It’s the nervous
system. It’s how the managing program of the body is doing to
coordinate all the billions of activity that occur per second in the
body and keep the body in a true high level homeostasis. So the
body has plenty of functional reserve. If you are an athlete and
you’re trying to exercise two hours a day or 10 to 20 hours a week,
and work and have a family and do your volunteer activities and do
whatever else you do, you have to have a functional reserve. There
has to be a body energy ability there to do more but not always keep
the system at max or in a coping situation. If that’s not occurring,
then you’re going to break down. You’re going to get chronic fatigue,
you’re going to get cancer, you’re going to get heart disease, you’re
going to get stress. You’re going to get a bad mood. You’re going to
end up in a doctor’s office and he’s going to tell you that he’s
depressed and you can’t sleep and then you’re going to be on drugs.
Then you just become medical wreckage because drugs always
worsen the situation although temporarily it makes it look better.
Then you’re just going downhill. So you always have to keep an eye
on this, of keeping all these systems up. There’s one more on the
biochemistry level I should have mentioned which is hormones.
Cortisol and thyroid. I heard Roby talking about thyroid and so
adrenal function and thyroid function. We know the guys that are
overtraining and overstressed – they have zero testosterone. Their
DHA levels are low. Their cortisol levels are either stressed high or
they’re burned out real low. You can’t function on these things and
you can’t train on these things because you won’t get any benefit out
of your training. It’s more taxing and there isn’t reserve to heal. The
anaerobic and the physical stress that training does that then
eventually builds up your system – you get no effect from it because
your body is maxed out and it can’t do it anymore. Then you get
breakdown, you get injury and so that’s another thing in athletes.
What are their hormones doing? I always measure them and I’m
never surprised to see that they’re low. Sometimes nutritionally –
optimally using nutrition, we can get them up without resorting to
bio-identical hormones but sometimes you have to. Or the guy can’t
do it. He’s too far under. So anyway, that’s the other sort of really
important area in the biochemistry thing. If we bump back up then
to this automatic nervous system level -- this level that’s energetic
– it’s this whole area of energy medicine with micro currents and
laser, homeopathy where these things have an effect on the
coordination system of the body. The information that the body
uses, it isn’t a biochemical substance. It’s information that the body
translates into better coordination, better activity. So, some guys
are doing it with electrodermal screening to make these diagnoses.
Other people are using muscle testing but they can diagnose things
and find things that on a physical level you can’t find it. When you
then introduce the right homeopathic or the right laser treatment,
the system all of a sudden then goes back into harmony with itself.
It operates better. Then, since that’s sort of a senior system to the
biochemistry, you start absorbing your calcium better or your iron
better or your bowels start working. So then the whole system can
work better. So I think when people are looking at this thing, that
they have to consider those three areas. We’re doing physical
medicine in our practice so we look at the structural – I see
somebody who comes in, is there a structural outpoint here? What
would it be? Do I need to send them to a chiropractor? Number two
is their biochemistry. I’m going to measure them. Are they deficient
in anything? Are they toxic. I saw a guy yesterday. He’s got three
autoimmune diseases and he’s got fatigue. When I looked at him
and he opened his mouth and the guy is 54 years old and he’s got –
he had 12 mercury fillings from his teens and they were broken
down. You could see the mercury tattoos in his gums. The mercury
leaked out his teeth and tattooed his gums. This guy is mercury
toxic. So he’s got – so on that biochemistry area, we’ve got
deficiencies in him and I threw the kitchen sink at him to figure out
all the deficiencies I could find, then I know he’s mercury toxic. I
can’t even touch that until I make sure his hormones are okay and
his deficiencies are fixed and his bowel is working. Once that’s done
I can then address his mercury toxicity, we can get him detoxified
and in six months he’ll feel like a million bucks. Then the energetic
level – I’m thinking, does this guy need acupuncture? Does he need
laser? Does he need micro current? Is there a homeopathic I can
use to help him? Then this fourth level that sits above everything is
this emotional spiritual thing – what’s his life like?
Ben: Yeah.
Dr. David Minkoff: You know? How’s his family and his work? The easiest thing on
this is to figure out who doesn’t he feel good around and spend no
time with that person. A lot of times that makes a big difference.
Then figure out what are his goals, where does he want to put his
attention? These sorts of things. I don’t spend a lot of time with it
because I think there’s other people who do this better but it’s
certainly an important aspect of it so that people can keep
themselves aligned with their own goals and their family and their
business and whatever else they have going on in their life. That’s
how I look at it. Sorry?
Ben: Go ahead.
Dr. David Minkoff: So, when I deal with myself, I’m thinking of myself too. So I’m
seeing somebody to help me with my physical alignment and every
year – I actually went in to do my blood work yesterday. I did a big
biochemistry panel. You know, I’m looking for all the
cardiovascular inflammatory markers. There’s a panel from a lab
called Netometrics which is called an ION panel. I-O-N. It stands
for Individualized Optimizing Nutrition and it looks at amino acids,
essential fats, vitamins, minerals and I’ll have you know it’s
expensive. It’s like 1,300 bucks but it’s a wonderful test because you
will find what you’re deficient in and some of the things you’re toxic
with and is your mitochondria able to make energy? Is your gut full
of fungus and bad bacteria that’s causing an internal toxification.
You can really do some things about it. And then a hormone panel.
And then look at these things and it’s cheap preventive
maintenance. At our clinic, we don’t take insurance. Everybody who
comes in there pays for what they get. My suggestion to people is
buy a major medical policy. Whether it’s 2,500 or 5,000. I have a
medical savings account so after a couple of years there’s a few
thousand dollars in there. If I need money for an incidental
emergency or something like this, I’ve got it. It can cover it but if I
have a major catastrophe – I get an appendix or I get into a car
accident and I need it, I’m covered. But you just budget a few
thousand dollars per year per person where you can go to these
guys who don’t take insurance and you can pay for their services
like you buy your food or you buy your entertainment and you
spend it on your nutritional supplements. I think you’re way better
off because you stay out of the medical system and you can take
care of your health better. People who take care of their health don’t
end up nearly as often with the things that are wrong with – you
look at the actuarial. Heart disease and cancer and diabetes and
arthritis and chronic long disease – the first five things on the list of
what you’re going to die of, you can mostly reduce your chances of
getting by a lot with this preventive maintenance sort of approach.
That’s what we find with our patients. They don’t go to the hospital.
They just don’t go to the hospital because they don’t get – they’re
not having heart attacks and they’re not having strokes. That’s not
never, but their incidence of it is way low or it’s way delayed
because they’ve been doing the right thing.
Ben: Now you’ve talked a lot about health. When people go and visit their
physician – I know in most cases they go and see their doc for 15
minutes and then check out maybe with some pharmaceuticals to
manage their condition. When someone comes to see you, whether
they are a triathlete or just from the general population, what’s the
actual funnel that someone goes through? How does someone’s
experience in natural medicine actually go? This is for people who
may be thinking about making a switch to a doctor like yourself and
are interested in what to expect when they visit.
Dr. David Minkoff: I think that there are sort of two types of patients that we get. If
you look at it this way. One is the type that is sort of anti-
establishment, anti-regular medicine and they’re looking anyway
for somebody who’s going to treat them without drugs and surgery
and radiation. So they’re looking anyway. They’re seekers, they’re
searchers and they find it. The other category is people who are
disgusted with the system. They’ve been on a lot of medicine,
they’re not feeling better. They’re depressed or they’re despondent
because it’s not working and they see that maybe there is a potential
that I can do this better or feel better and they come looking with
some hesitation at “can this guy really help me or not?” So, I try to
give people my sort of idea that I am not going to take you off your
medication and put you in a crisis, but I know that as we look for
things that are actually the causes of the condition you have –
because basically when the arthritis doctor has got somebody on
medication to stop their arthritis or the heart doctor is giving them
something for their high blood pressure or their high cholesterol –
those are band aid therapies where it’s like you’re in your car and
the brake light goes on or the oil light goes on and rather stopping
and figuring out did you just not put the oil in it or is there an oil
leak or what did you do about it? It’s putting a band aid over the
indicator so you don’t know it’s there. So, if I’m seeing somebody,
I’m saying, “Look I want to see what is your body missing, what is it
toxic with? Let’s do some investigation.” If you can have a little
saved, you’re willing to spend a little bit of money, I think we can
get you so you are weaned off of your medication and you feel better
and that in the long run this is going to really help you. You can’t do
it in 15 minutes. My usual first patient is between an hour and an
hour and a half. It takes that long to just – it’s a mixture of
determination and an education and getting to know them. I have
to figure out what is it? Where are we going to go with this to try
and help them the best.
Ben: So you meet with them for an hour to an hour and a half?
Dr. David Minkoff: Yeah, the first is an hour to an hour and a half.
Ben: Wow.
Dr. David Minkoff: So it takes that long. It cannot be done in 15 minutes. It’s not a
practice where you’re seeing 80 people a day or 60 people a day or a
patient every 10 or 15 minutes. It just can’t be done. It’s a very
patient oriented practice. It takes time. Some visits are half an hour.
So I’ll see them, do lab work, I’ll put them on some nutritional
things. I’ll see them back in three or four weeks. I’ll retest them. It
takes half an hour. I feel like I’m even rushing a little bit in half an
hour. I’ve got to watch it because it’s easy to run over because it’s a
very personal thing. It’s me and them and I’m going to help them
the best that I can and the insurance company is not paying me. It’s
not this third party thing. It’s me and them. If I’m helping them get
better, they’re going to get better and they’re going to tell their
friends about me, and they’re going to tell them it’s worth it to
spend their hard earned hour to come in and see us, and people do
because they see there’s value in it. This is worth it. This is worth
my money.
Ben: Now, are there certain common issues that you see on a daily basis?
I know we can spend hours on this but in terms of giving people
some ideas as far as the common things that you see, the common
ways that you treat them. If you were to give me just the top three
things that you see that a lot of people deal with, a lot of people
listening to the show might deal with. The ways that you treat that
and how that differs from the way a typical physician might
approach that issue. I know it’s kind of a tough question but I think
there’d be some value in that for people.
Dr. David Minkoff: Well I think the biggest one is probably “I don’t feel good and I
went to my doctor and he did some tests on me and his clinical
exam didn’t show anything and he did a CBC and a chem panel and
a TSH – a screening test for thyroid disease – and he said
everything’s fine. But I don’t feel good. I don’t have energy. I’m not
sleeping well. I don’t feel good. When I tell my doctor this, he takes
out a pad and he wrote me prescription for Prozac. I took that for
three days and I felt kind of nuts, and I thought well Prozac
deficiency isn’t what’s wrong with me. I need help.” That sort of
thing is – you could take that and put it in a… “I tried six medicines
for hypertension and they all make me either impotent or fatigued
or I can’t think straight and I still have hypertension and I don’t
know what to do.” Or “I had a stint done in my heart because I had
chest pains a year ago and then I got chest pain again and he took
me in and did another catheterization and said the stint is blocked
and now I need a bypass and I’m scared. Can you help me?” Or “I
already got my bypass and now I’m still not feeling good. Can you
help me?” Or “I’m an athlete” This guy yesterday, he’s a nationally
ranked professional super high level athlete whose performance
this year has been subpar. He’s usually top three in his area of
expertise and he said “My events take about 35 minutes. They’re
super intense. I have to be 100% there and looking and after 15
minutes I feel spacey and lost and I can’t win with that. Can you
help me?” So these are all sorts of variations on the same thing of
no product out of what they were doing and the usual sort of
approach of what the doctor’s been doing of symptom relief hasn’t
helped them. So what we’re talking about is not that symptom relief
is an immoral thing but it doesn’t restore health, which is what
we’re looking at. Kids don’t take drugs if their nutrition is decent
and their parents treat them alright because they have natural
energy and interest in life and they can participate and have fun and
as we get older, what have we lost? We’ve lost our nutrition and
we’ve gained environmental toxins and that’s what’s caused our
downfall and it’s only the restoration of those things – of the
nutrition and a rehabilitation of the system and detoxification that’s
going to make the thing as good as it can be at the time that you’re
seeing them. Sometimes you can get them off all their medicines
and they feel great and you’re a total hero and sometimes they’re
down from four drugs to one, they definitely feel better and you’ve
done a good job. That’s sort of what we’re looking at. Another one, a
guy can feel okay but they’re 50 and they want to feel 30 and can
you help me? They’re the menopausal women who’re like “Holy
smokes my hair is brittle and my nails are falling off and I’m not
sleeping well and I move lousy and my libido is in the tank and I’m
not being a good wife and can you help me?” We see lots of those.
Those people are easy to help.
Ben: Now, just as a final question here. If there were anywhere from
three to five things that you would say to almost everybody on the
face of the planet could or should do to make themselves feel better,
look better, feel healthier or be healthier; what would those things
be? I know you may be rehashing a couple of things thing you
already went over, but I’d just like to hear the quick tips here on the
top three to five things that you as an Ironman triathlete, as a
natural healing physician would recommend that people do to help
their bodies.
Dr. David Minkoff: Sure, I think it’s the basic what mother told you type of stuff but
one is eat whole, real food. I recommend a paleo type diet for
people. If it comes in a box or cellophane or package – if 90% of the
time you can avoid it, eat real chicken and real broccoli – that
makes a big difference. Usually with eating that type of a diet, your
bowels will work. So make sure you have a bowel movement
everyday whatever it takes. Most sick people are constipated. They
aren’t going. I think healthy people are going more like two to three
times a day rather than once a day, but I’ll settle for once a day if it’s
an easy bowel movement. The stuff’s got to go in and it’s got to go
out. Then take enough liquids mostly in the form of water. You
urinate in a couple of hours and your urine is clear. I think you have
got to figure out for your body what the right sleep pattern is so that
you get restful sleep. For me it’s so much at night and a nap. I think
most people don’t think of it, but if they can do it, a nap would help.
In cultures where people nap, they live longer so I think it’s a
healthy think. I think people need to supplement because as good as
they want to be with their diet, they’re not meeting their nutritional
needs. So nap and vitamin D and fish oil and we have a multiple
that I think is the best one out there. It’s called Body Health
Complete Less Detox and then a green supplement – I think these
things are sort of mandatory for everybody because they can really
keep your nutrition more optimum. I think the other thing is to
have an attitude about life where you keep it fun and when it’s
getting serious there’s something wrong. So that triathlon training
is play and work is play and marriage is play and make it serious
then you’ve fallen off the play and it can keep you mentally and
psychologically imbalanced. Then if you can find a health
practitioner too that you can trust who can help you with these
other issues that we’ve talked about, I think that’s helpful because
then you can look at these other things that we’ve talked about to
improve your health and help you keep what you got. So I guess
that’s how I’d summarize that.
Ben: Well folks, there are not many people on the face of the planet who
have done one Ironman triathlon, much less 36. And there are not
that many people on the face of the planet who knows as much
about taking care of your body than Dr. Minkoff. So don’t just think
of the things he’s said today as interesting information that you’re
going to blow off and not implement. Really seriously consider
implementing some of the recovery protocols that he talked about,
supplementation protocols that he talked about, lifestyle decisions
and even your approach to your own health and medical care for
you and your family. So Dr. Minkoff thank you for your time today.
Dr. David Minkoff: Absolutely Ben, I enjoyed it and look forward to doing it in the
future.
Ben: Alright, fantastic. Folks this is Ben Greenfield and Dr. Minkoff from
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