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Jyotisha Practice

The Vexed Question of

Ayanamsha

Choosing the Rate of Equinoctial Precession

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What is

"Ayanamsha"?

wikipedia: Ayanamsha

"Ayanamsha" means " precession rate" or

"precessional distance" regarding the precession of the equinoxes.

Ayana = "progress or "forward movement";

Amsha = "portion" or "section".

The precession of the equinoxes means that

the four equinoctial points (spring, summer,

autumn, and winter equinoxes) are constantly

moving. They will rotate (backwards) through

all 360 degrees and return to their starting

point every 25920 [solar] years.

The re are several viable choices available

regarding precessional (1) start year and (2)

rate of movement. The discussion about these

choices makes the question of correct "

Ayanamsha" a thorny professional issue for

practitioners of Jyotisha vidya.

ABOUT LAHIRI: Lahiri ayanamsha is sanctioned by the


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.

However, keep in mind that Lahiri ayanamsha

was determined by a committee (of which

Lahiri was the chair). You know how they say,a camel is a horse designed by a committee? :)

Lahiri works generally fairly well in

practice. However, many Jyotishi use Lahiri

because it is popular - not because they have

rigorously tested it against other options.

Also, consider that one may find several

different versions of "Lahiri".

Some software sets a conventional Lahiri

ayanamsha at 50.2719 seconds/year rate of precession, starting from the year 285 CE.

However there are practicing Jyotishi who use

numbers both higher and lower than 50.2719,

and/or different start years, who still claim that

they use "Lahiri ayanamsha".

I use a Lahiri ayanamsha at a precession rate

of 50.27 from year 285.

B.V. Raman Ayanamsha -


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options, most are very esoteric and used only

by special lineages or research interests.

Krishnamurti ayanamsha and Ramanayanamsha are probably the two most popular

non-Lahiri choices.

Dr. B. V. Raman's ayanamsha was published

by him, during his lifelong research into the

scriptural and technical foundations of theVidya of Jyotisha. Shri Raman published his

research extensively in English, in the famed

Jyotisha periodical "Astrological Monthly"

over a period of fifty plus years.

Dr. Raman wrote dozens of clear books in

English. Many English-educated Jyotishi were

influenced by his scientific attitude; his grasp

of the ancient Sanskrit, Tamil, Mayalam, and

other historic sacred literatures; and most

importantly his research into astronomical andmathematical foundations of Jyotisha

calculations.

Dr. Raman's reputation for thoroughness in his

research convinced many readers of the

validity of his ayanamsha and its superior

results. Raman's a anamsha is b far the most


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used after Lahiri.

Shri Yukteshwar AyanamshaFollowers of Paramahamsha Yogananda in the

West often prefer the ayanamsha of

Paramahamsha Yogananda' s guru Shri

Yukteshwar.Shri Yukteshwar's ayanamsha is significantly

out of the range of conventional precession

rates, and is used by only a very small

minority of working astrologers.

I myself was attracted to Shri Yukteshwar' s

ayanamsha after reading the very inspiring

account of Vedic time cycles in THE HOLY

SCIENCE [K AIVALYA DARSHANAM] by

Swami Shri Yukteswar .

Unfortunately, in my practice with real people's

lives in mundane earth time, I have found that

Shri Yukteshwar's ayanamsha does not test out

too well compared with Raman or Lahiri.

Although I normally use Lahiri ayanamsha, Iam always open to using the ayanamsha


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avore y t e persons sp r tua neage. you

have a psychic connection to Shri Y or another

jyotish guru, I will happily use Shri Y's

ayanamsha for your reading.

Additional ayanamsha

options

Other ayanamsha options include

Krishnamurti, the American Rick

Houck (who pioneered intensive

Jyotisha research using computers),and various western " sidereal"

positions.

Here are the mainstream precession rates, as

taken from Jyotisha software programmer DasGoravani:

AyanamshaPrecession

rate

Start

year

LAHIRI: 50.2719285

CE

K RISHNAMURTI 50.2388475 291CE

B.V. R AMAN 50.33397

CE

FAGAN-


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BRADLEY

[western sidereal]:

50.25CE

YUKTESHWAR 53.9906499

CE

AFTER COMPARISON AND

CONTRASTIn the end, most Jyotisha practitioners don't worry

about ayanamsha.

Once the practitioner finds an ayanamsha that works

in their mind(very predominantly Lahiri) then thereis no need to "keep shopping". IMO there is no one

fixed view on ayanamsha - nor does there need to be.

Q:

I'm learning Astrology both Vedic

and Western. I'm reading the Vedic

Astrological Books of One of the

Great Astrologer of present time

Late Dr. B.V.Ramanji for 4-5 years.

I've a great respect for him. I've a problem Barbara regarding Ayanamsha- when I

searched the web for "which Ayanamsha to

use "-I got your Article there-written about all

the hindu/vedic Ayanamsha-It was very

informative-Thank you!

Though I'm a follower of Ramanji and I

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s ou use is yanams a wit out any ou t

but since I'm a North Indian and we use

Lahiri's Ayanamsha (by Default Software also

selects it.) I was using Lahiri's Ayanamsha for preparing any Chart for a long time. For me

it's Dasha -Pratayantar Dasha all were seem

to be correct.....But now I'm in a doubt. When

I use Raman's Ayanamsha-The Navamansha

Chart -I got-I think is very Correct. And Dashamansha Chart is also right I think. and

This Navamansha explains my Nature very

correctly.

You said that you use Lahiri's

Ayanamsha-Since you're a professionaI Astrologer and you're practicing it for quite a

long time so I want to know from you-Don't

you think The Chart prepared by using

Raman's Navamansha gives right Reading

than Lahiri's?

(and please tell me For Rahu-Ketu-Which

Value do you use-True or Mean?) Thanks.

y y p j p p j p _ y

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: amas e,

I too am a grateful student of Shri

Raman.

me . . aman n w en e was

already quite elderly, and I was impressed with

his sharp mind as well as his deep humility.

Arising from my respect for Shri Raman as awriter, practitioner, and teacher, I used

Raman's ayanamsha for several years .

However, I endured much frustration when

using Raman's ayanamsha, which was not

relieved until I stopped using it! In fact, it took me a long time to start testing Lahiri

ayanamsha, because Shri Raman had

convinced many of us that he had tested nearly

every scriptural option and had achieved his

ayanamsha after many years of comparisonand reflection...

I presumed that the trouble I was having with

Jyotisha was due to my own failings and not

the ayanamsha. It was hard to give myself

permission to consider alternatives. Similarly,devotees of Shri Yukteshwara also have

trouble considering other possible ayanamsha

because of their deep respect for their

maha-guru.

(It has been mentioned that Shri Y's

a anamsha was never intended to calculate

y y p j p p j p _ y

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personal kundali, but rather it applies to

larger cosmological pattern-movements.

Currently that is my understanding, since it

obviously does not produce materiallyaccurate personal predictions!)

However, after overcoming my resistance to

using Lahiri ayanamsha, my tests of Lahiri

versus Raman ayanamsha did demonstrate that

Lahiri works much better for predicting and

explaining material events via the Vimshottari

dasha.

The type of events which I have

researched are:

Timing of birth of children

(especially the first child)

Timing of first and second

marriage

Timing of marital divorce or

collapse of business partnership

Timing of education events like

university diploma or professionallicensing examination

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Timing of health crisis like cancer,

severe organ disease, or crippling

accident

Timing of financial crisis like

bankruptcy or mortgage-default

with foreclosure

Timing of death of the native,

native's parents and (sadly)children-grandchildren

I find that using Raman ayanamsha I get poor coordination between the real-life

events and Vimshottari periods of the

expected bhava-pati.

However, when I use the Lahiri ayanamsha,the events which Parashara predicts will occur,

do occur, in the period of the expected house

lord.

For example, with correct birth data and Lahiri

ayanamsha, I find that:

Birth of the first child nearly

always occurs in the mother's

Vimshottari period of (1) Guru or

(2) radix L-5 or L-9 from radicallagna or Chandra lagna

1.

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Educational diploma obtained in

periods of (1) Budha or (2) L-4+

L-7 (4th-from-4th)

2.

Death in periods of (1) natural

maraka Mangala - Shani (2)

Rahu-Ketu giving effect of L-2+

L-7 (3) L-2+ L-7 from radical

lagna.Death of father in

period of L-2+L-7

from Surya.

Death of mother

L-2+L-7 from Soma.

3.

Broken yoke (un-yoga) = health,

relationship, social, financial crisis

= periods of L-6+ L-11, or Shani.

4.

Other associations stated by Parashara = work

properly the great majority of the time using

Lahiri ayanamsha.

'

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arr ag m ng , n my v w, a

good test of ayanamsha - because

timing of marriage comes not from

radix but rather from navamsha.

s ng amans ayanams a, ge very poor

event-timing results.

However, when using Lahiri I find that

marriage occurs reliably in the bhukti of thelords of the first or seventh *navamsha*, or

any of the karakas: Shukra, Shani, or

Rahu-Ketu.

Also, with timing of marriage, a second

condition must be fulfilled: gochara Rahu-Ketu

must be transiting through one of five axes:

lagna of radix or navamsha, natal nodal axis in

either radix or navamsha, or the axis of radix

Moon.

With Lahiri ayanamsha, if the radix chart does

not offer a lagna, Moon, or nodal axis to

satisfy the condition, then the navamsha nodes

or lagna will be found to be in the right place

to support the timing of marriage.

With Raman's ayanamsha, if the radix chart

does not supply the necessary nodal axes,

Raman's rendering of navamsha lagna and

navamsha Moon will not always supply it

either - which leaves us unable to predicttiming of marriage, or confirm timing of a

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.

I appreciate how emotionally attracted people

are to the poetry of their navamsha patterns,

when they think - as you say - "this explains

my nature very correctly".

Navamsha is the field of one's true dharma

more fully articulated; D-9 shows our secret

strengths, subconscious expectations, andinherent wisdom - our "better self". So, if

Raman's ayanamsha creates a more intriguing

or flattering navamsha, it might be tempting to

honor the poetic image of nicer planets.

My own Jyotisha practice is focused on thetasks of (1) making sense of the order of past

events while (2) attempting to offer reliable

predictions of future events.

I am less inclined to the typically western

psychological or poetic style, and moreinclined to predictive accuracy.

I am sure that there are some legitimate uses

for the western poetic-psychological-archetype

approach to astrology (such as in Jungian

psychotherapy), but my personality is more

-

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.

Therefore my own test results have cemented

my decision to stick with Lahiri ayanamsha

into the foreseeable future.

However another Jyotishi who might be

researching other types of events - perhaps

political or economic events, or other

non-personal/national/global level phenomena -

might use different tests and get different

results. I can only report on the research I have

done myself.

I look forward to the day when Jyotishis

worldwide can contribute peer-reviewedresearch to scholarly journals and present their

results at (electronic?) conferences, so that a

wider basis of understanding can be established

in the international Jyotisha practice

community.(BTW: I use "mean" positions for Rahu-Ketu.)

Hope this is helpful,

Barbara Pijan Lama

www.barbarapijan.com

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