Aristophanes’ Lysistrata. Two Quotes Women’s peithō, how appraised?

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Aristophanes Lysistrata

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Aristophanes’ Lysistrata

Two Quotes

Women’s peithō, how appraised?

Two QuotesChorus Leader to Lysistrata:Hail the bravest of all women!

Now you must be more besides:Firm but soft, high-class but low-brow,

Strict but lenient, versatile.Delegates from every city,

captured by your potent charms,Come before you and request your

arbitration of their cause. (p. 142)

Magistrate (on Demostratus). . . a noisy rooftop party for Adonis,just like the one that spoiled our

assembly.That ill-starred, foolish politician movedwe sail to Sicily, while his wife was

dancingand yelling for Adonis. When he said,let’s muster allied troops for this armada,his wife was on the rooftop getting drunkand yelling ‘Oh doomed youth!’ But he

persisted,the goddamned stubborn hotheaded son

of a bitch! (p. 110)

Resolved:

Women in Aristophanes' Lysistrata embody positive role models (politically, etc.)

Agenda

• Epideictic Project• An Immodest Proposal

• Recap• Persuasion and Democracy in Thucydides Readings 2

• Persuasion in Lysistrata• Let’s Count the Ways. . .

• Resolved:• Women in Aristophanes' Lysistrata embody positive

role models (politically, etc.)

Epideictic Project

An Immodest Proposal

Gorgianic Figures

Basic concept• Colon

• rhetorical unit

Word repetition• Anaphora

• colon beginning

• Antistrophe• colon end

• Anastrophe• end/beginning

Other figures• Antithesis

• contrast

• Homoioteleuton• end rhyme

• Isocolon/parisosis• same/similar-length

successive cola

• Paronomasia• word play

Our epideixis..

We live in a time of overpopulation, we die in a time of great starvation. Though these problems seem infinite, our solution is infantile.

Recap

Persuasion and Democracy in Thucydides Readings 2

Concepts

• “Truthiness,” “truth that comes from

the gut”

• Foundationalism The “noble simplicity”

• versus Spin & revalorization

• Sophistic ethics• Law of nature• Right of the stronger

• (Counter-)rhetoric• captatio benevolentiae• demophilia topos

• Stasis

and persuasion?

Lenses

• Despotic/oligarchic democracy? (Michels)“The preponderant elements of the movement, the men who lead and nourish it, end by undergoing a gradual detachment from the masses and are attracted within the orbit of the ‘political class’ ” (Political Parties)

• Charismatic democracy? (Weber)“… devotion to the exceptional sanctity, heroism or exemplary character of an individual person, and of the normative patterns or order revealed or ordained by him” (Economy and Society)

• Pragmatic democracy? (Finley)Democracy’s “substantive promises”: “what counts is that the people expected results and at times, sometimes for long periods, felt satisfied with them” (Ancient History)

Melian Debate

“Nature (phusis) always compels gods (we believe) and men (we are certain) to rule over anyone they can control. We did not

make this law (nomos), . . . but . . . will take it as we found it. . . .”

(Thucydides 3.38.4, p. 68)

concepts

lenses

Erōs, logos

• Plague• “The pleasure of the

moment . . . [was] set up as [a standard] of nobility and usefulness" (50)

• Mytilenean Debate• CLEON: Athenians as

rhetoric-addicts• DIODOTUS: “Hope and

passionate desire (erōs) . . . dominate every situation” (73)

• Stasis Description• “The cause of all this was

the desire to rule out of avarice and ambition” (93)

• Sicilian Debate• NICIAS: “Do not be sick . . .

with yearning (erōs) for what is not here” (116)

• HISTORIAN’S ANALYSIS: “Now everyone alike fell in love (erōs enepese) with the enterprise” (122)

concepts

lenses

Antix-Rhetorical Rhetoric?Cleon

• “The habits you’ve formed: why you merely look on at discussions, and real action is only a story to you!” (68)

Diodotus

• “The most difficult opponents are those who also accuse one of putting on a rhetorical show (epideixis) for a bribe” (71)

concepts

lenses

“Gorgianic” Cleon (Thuc. 3.38.4)

Figures:parisosis (closely balanced clauses)

antithesis (contrast)homoioteleuton (end rhyme)

oxymoron (ironic non-sequitur)

eiōthate theatai men tōn logōn gignesthai,

akroatai de tōn ergōn,

“and LISTENERS TO DEEDS”

“you are accustomed to being VIEWERS OF WORDS”

Persuasion in Lysistrata

Let’s Count the Ways. . .

Play and Backdrop

431 War begins

421 Peace of Nicias

415-413 Sicilian Expedition

412 Board of (10) Probouloi

411 Aristophanes’ Lysistrata produced

411-410 Oligarchic coup, politeia, democratic restoration

Lysistrata: LayoutComic structure

• CRISIS• war• husbands absent

• SOLUTION• sex-strike• fiscal embargo• logos?

• CELEBRATION• Athenians, Spartans• Women, men

Dramatic arc*

• Prologue• Occupation plot

• “Magistrate” scene

• Strike-plot• “Rod”-Myrrhine scene

• Reconciliation• Men and women• Spartans and Athenians

* Courtesy Henderson 1987.

Peitho: Types of, SuccessNon-verbal persuasion Verbal persuasion

Some Dialogue. . .

MAGISTRATE: You can stop these wartime hardships. . .?

LYSISTRATA: Sure!MAGISTRATE: How? . . .LYSISTRATA: . . . First you

wash the city as we wash the wool, . . .

Bring it all together now, and make one giant ball of yarn. . . .

MAGISTRATE: What do women know of war? (Lit. “Is this not a terrible thing, these women ‘woofing’ and ‘warping’ us!”). . .

LYSISTRATA: . . . First of all we make the children,

Then we send them off to war.MAGISTRATE: That’s enough!

(Lit. “You must stop remembering evil!”)

Resolved:

Women in Aristophanes' Lysistrata embody positive role models (politically, etc.)

Criteria