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Re: Ugly chicks / Post 181

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Subject: Re: Ugly chicks // view thread onlinePost Date: January 20th, 2002 10:43:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Great points FinalD. Your analysis is once again thoughtful and useful.

Next Level, you should realize that a master of human interaction does not haveto act in an insulting way to a girl just because she is not attractive to him.That is childish and will demonstrate that you do not know how to maneuverthrough the world with grace and class.

If you try to be more interested in learning here, instead of flaming, somedayyour game will be really good.

When that time comes, you will begin to want to demonstrate class to all girls.When you get to the point where seducing women is not such a battle but an easyand enjoyable enterprise you will branch out and want to share your abilitiesto do more than just get sex. You will have such a capacity to lighten andinterest people that you will be amazed on how your presence has an effect on aroom. On everybody. You will only reach this level when you have decided toalways operate from a position of class.

Now, as far as the rating of chicks is concerned. It may be fun but it is notvery useful.

Instead of handing out numbers, look at the circumstances of the girl you want.How many people are vying for her attention? How does she carry herself? Is shein a group? Are her friends differing to her? Is she sitting or standing? Isshe wearing clothes to garner attention, etc..

Think about these things which are much more relevant than how her generalattractiveness rates.

-Juggler

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How to close when chicks boss is around?? / Post 182




Subject: How to close when chicks boss is around?? // view thread onlinePost Date: January 21st, 2002 08:05:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Consider that closing in front of the boss will make you look real confident.

Also read FormHandle’s post on g-closing. You may be hung up on getting hernumber as if it is a big deal.

Instead, try to attract her strongly and focus on making plans to do somethingtogether. The numbers should be almost an afterthought.

-Juggler


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The 101 Primer / Post 183




Subject: The 101 Primer // view thread onlinePost Date: January 22nd, 2002 10:24:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Hey Rio,

Good post. I remember reading up on your 101 theory sometime ago and it amazedme in that I was doing this kind of thing without breaking it down and definingit as you have. But after reading your stuff I began consciously using 101theory and my effectiveness shot up.

I also agree with FinalD and try to be consistently inconsistent. I vary manyof my emotions and expressions as a way of constantly 101ing. Althoughsometimes it feels like 10011101010100011110101010

I like mixing it up so the pattern is even less predictable.

As a side note, I have mentioned I am in the entertainment business. My show isbasically built on 101 theory. It works well for manipulating audiences aswell.

I hope everyone in this group reads Rio’s post here. In my opinion it is themost powerful stuff you will ever use in seduction.

-Juggler


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I didn’t hear a fucking word you said / Post 184




Subject: I didn’t hear a fucking word you said // view thread onlinePost Date: January 22nd, 2002 04:06:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

If you have the right attitude you may want to try:

Her: "I have a boyfriend."

You: "Significants are such a problem sometimes aren’t they? My girlfriend isnice but she can be way to needy. I mean I can’t be with her 24 hours a day. Doyou think I should let her go? ...What is your boyfriend like? We could fix upyour boyfriend with my girlfriend. hahaha I wonder if that has ever been done.Maybe in a movie. Anyway, I’m going to try that new pub tommorow. If you arereal nice I’ll let you go with me..."

-Juggler


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AFC question... / Post 185




Subject: AFC question... // view thread onlinePost Date: January 27th, 2002 12:43:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Buying her a coffee is not a big deal. Each of you buying your own is alsoexceptable.

However, you are missing an opportunity if you don’t get HER to buy YOU acoffee.

She will value you more if she spends energy and resources on you.

-Juggler


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Tao of Steve / Post 186




Subject: Tao of Steve // view thread onlinePost Date: January 27th, 2002 06:30:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Seems like once a month this movie starts a thread, so I finally had to see thething. I got to tell you I was not that impressed. I can see how it would beeye opening for an AFC to see that there are alternative ways to get girls fromwhat they have been doing. But this movie misses the mark.

Number 3 on that list is fine.

But numbers 1 & 2 suck.

#1 ’Eliminate desire and approach’

If you truly have no desire then you will only get what randomly comes to you.You have no rudder.

Many guys try this ’desireless approach’ and find they indeed have less anxietywhen approaching girls. The problem is, they end up getting no sex. They haveno ability to control the direction of the interaction.

The real challenge is to overcome your nerves, approach WITH a desired outcomein mind and still do well.

It is like baseball. If you are at bat in the World Series in the bottom of theninth, bases loaded, two out and your team is down by three runs, the answer isnot to be desireless. You want to get a hit. The answer is dealing with youranxiety, and doing well under pressure.

If you need a rule of thumb, use: APPEAR to have less desire for her then shehas for you.

#2 ’Show that you’re excellent at something’

Don’t waste time showing you are excellent at fixing motorcycles or something.Be excellent at putting girls in a mood for fun and sex.

Juggler


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How do I use my sexual power? / Post 187




Subject: How do I use my sexual power? // view thread onlinePost Date: January 27th, 2002 07:09:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Might be fun to use your sexiness to get attention and stuff but that shouldnot take much figuring out. Just flirt.

On a more interesting note, you may not realize this now, because you are only19, but what is alot more fun and long-lasting is developing your skills athuman interaction.

Forget your looks, concentrate on developing your conversational skills andability to make people smile based on your words and expressions.

When girls AND guys get good at this, they will be surprised at how muchfreebies, and consideration they will receive everywhere from both sexes, allages, etc...

Be like Godzilla - your charm should leave astonished devastation wherever yougo.

-Juggler


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extracting target from mutual friends / Post 188




Subject: extracting target from mutual friends // view thread onlinePost Date: January 27th, 2002 07:21:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Forget EVing her. She should be EVing you.

You are thinking about getting her values and then matching them and feedingthem back.

Don’t do this.

Talk about your values and let her match them to get with you. She should bechasing you.

Stop asking so many questions. Make statements. Talk about your values and thegirls in the group will be battling for your attention.

-Juggler


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jumping into conversations / Post 189




Subject: jumping into conversations // view thread onlinePost Date: January 27th, 2002 07:27:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Either jump right in unapollagetically or use facial expressions to get herattention.

-Juggler


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Chicks Eager for #’s but Don’t Call / Post 190




Subject: Chicks Eager for #’s but Don’t Call // view thread onlinePost Date: January 27th, 2002 07:37:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

If it is a girl you like, get her number and give her your email. A girl has amuch easier time emailing then making a phone call. This way she has theability to contact you and you can either email her back or call her on thephone.

-Juggler


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Another Question (On Topic This Time) / Post 191




Subject: Another Question (On Topic This Time) // view thread onlinePost Date: January 28th, 2002 08:00:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advancedArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

It can feel like, ’the point of no return’ for a girl to remove her panties.

The thing to do is to push the panties aside and rub her and really get hergoing. And the panties being on do not prevent penetration if you can push themaside.

But she will probably just take them off herself well before that point, onceshe sees that they are just an annoyance to her pleasure.

-Juggler


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extracting target from mutual friends / Post 192




Subject: extracting target from mutual friends // view thread onlinePost Date: January 28th, 2002 04:26:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Thanks for asking Persev01.Actually, I will get around to posting about this soon. Maybe tonight. But Iwill begin a separate thread.

-Juggler


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Re: Tao of Steve / Post 193




Subject: Re: Tao of Steve // view thread onlinePost Date: January 28th, 2002 06:03:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

I don’t know. Maybe this is a metaphysical debate.

I can see your point from one perspective. A PUA does not want to be needy. Andyes, most of my group openers are non-sexual.

However, when I see a very attractive girl, I devise to get her into bed. I amnot desireless. I am just hiding my initial desire from her.

Maybe you could take a broader view and say you only want to please women andthus, your plan to get her into bed is for her and not about your desires. Idon’t know... Maybe this is an East vs. West kind of thing but I believe inestablishing goals and having a plan to achieve them.

But that does not mean I come across like I have an agenda or want anythingfrom her. If you seen me sarging, even you, Toecutter, would be hard pressed tothink that I am trying to get a girl. Typically what you would see is a groupof girls around me, asking me all kinds of questions. This is the dynamic I setup. It appears to them and to the onlooker as though I have no desire for anyof these girls and all the desire is coming from them. Well, it takes alot ofwork to make it seem so. But, it in fact only seems so. In truth I ammanipulating and directing things so I end up with the girl I want.

It is like being a comic on stage. You want to appear to not want or needlaughs - that is part of having a strong stage presence. But believe me, comicswant the audience to laugh. You put in hours of work to make people laugh andto make it seem like you don’t care either way.

Now, I could write a movie about being a stand-up, call it the Tao of Juggleror whatever. I could sell this character as not caring if people laugh. I couldmake him seem real successful with this approach. And many people would thenbelieve that the secret to a great stage performance is not caring one way orthe other. People would be susceptible to believing that because they have goneto comedy clubs and it sure seemed like the comic didn’t have a care in theworld. I could sell that movie. But if anybody tried to actually become aprofessional comic I would advice them not to take my movie seriously. I wouldadvice them to have a desire. To have goals and to make a plan.

But then again, maybe it is a part of living in western culture. Maybe we aretoo results oriented.

But I still think the best way to get to a girl into bed is to want to get herthere.

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Now as far as the other point. Maybe the original poster typed it incorrectly.If it is indeed ’be excellent’, then I could give that a nod.

-Juggler


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Advice: flake or not? / Post 194




Subject: Advice: flake or not? // view thread onlinePost Date: January 28th, 2002 08:15:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

What was wrong with the brother?Did he just get diagnosed with cancer?

If it was truly something serious you maybe should have been sympathetic andlet her go.

If it was not serious you still should have been sympathetic. That is irony andwould have been funny.

You: "What happened to your brother?"

Her: "He didn’t make the cut for little league."

You: "That is terrible. Is he there? Put him on I know just what to say."

Her: "What would you say to him?"

You: "I would tell him to forget about baseball, grow his hair long and becomea musician."

Get her laughing, get her wanting more, then cut her off, "I got to go. But Itell you what, if you promise to be nice I will call you tommorow."

Of course you may not even need to bring up contacting her again. If you do agood job of re-attracting her then she may ask for you to get together or foryou to call her. If she does, the same rule applies: Get something in return.Haggle. This can be great fun, by the way.

See, she dissed you. Your first priority is to re-attract. You second is tore-establish the dynamic in her mind that you are a valuable and desireableman. You do this by placing a value on something - even if it is only insistingthat she be nice to you.

Also see my post in response to ’HB call soon - do I bust her balls?’

-Juggler


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Re: HB call soon - do i bust balls? / Post 195




Subject: Re: HB call soon - do i bust balls? // view thread onlinePost Date: January 28th, 2002 08:41:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Good job Sebastian.

Your #2 sounded kind of like a #3 in that it was entertaining.

Anyway, I also would recommend that you re-establish the proper dynamic of youbeing valuable.

As soon as she wants something from you, put a value on it. Get her in thehabit of trading for your time, ideas and anything that she wants. Doesn’tmatter if these things are of real value. it doesn’t even matter too much ifyou ever receive anything. It is the dynamic which counts. It is the fact thatshe knows you put value on yourself and your ideas.

For Example:

You: "I think everyone should have a codename. Yours will be Rudolf. Mine willbe Wolverine."

Her: "I don’t want to be Rudolf."

You: "You have to do something worthy to deserve a cool codename. I tell youwhat, if you give me a good backrub I’ll give you a good codename."

Her: "I’m not going to rub your back for a silly old name."

You: "With that attitude your going to be stuck with ’Rudolf’ for awhile."

Her: "You’re silly."

You: "I know. I make silly, sexy."

Okay, no commodities exchanged hands and it is a pretty ’silly’ exchange butyour attitude has been conveyed. You are a guy who puts value on things in yourlife. She will subconsciously realize that if you can value silly codenamesthen you must really value something more serious, like your time.And the only reason you would value the things in your life is because you area precious and valuable guy. Thus she will want you more.

Try putting price tags on somethings in your life which you may have consideredunpricable.

Oh, and of course, if you do actually make a deal then make sure she gives youa quality rub - don’t be too easy of a customer. Then give her a good codename,like SugarFingers.

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-Juggler


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Re: Tao of Steve / Post 196




Subject: Re: Tao of Steve // view thread onlinePost Date: January 29th, 2002 04:06:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

(snip)>I dont question that for a>second. I like what you post.>You are one of the>posters that I always download>and read when I see your name.

And vice versa.

(snip)> You need to move into>an autopilot for the details>so you can think>about the strategy, and even a>lot of that is autopilot. A>state of balance.

I like that Toecutter. Agreed.

(snip)>A beautiful state where you>are cool but effortless. Not>think, just do. See>and react.

For the most part I try to act and let the GIRL react, but I know what you aresayng here.

(snip)> Like driving a car.>I no longer need to think,>"OK, depress>clutch to ground. I feel it is>as far as it will go. Hand on>gear shift.>First gear is top left corner.>Is it in gear? Check. Okay,>push lightly on>throttle, and listen for>engine noise, no a little>harder, the engine is not>revving hard enough. Okay that>is about right. Now let left

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>foot off clutch.>It is starting to engage,>slowly now, and push throttle>a little harder with>the right foot as I continue>to lift the left off the>clutch. Okay I am>moving ..." because it is>autoresponse. My mind when I>am driving is on>"Okay, should I take Main St,>or should I cut across 5th>avenue to>Jefferson?".

Good metaphor.

Now that I see which angle you are coming from I think we are pretty much inagreement.

You seem to be talking about freeing the mind, to work on a more stategiclevel. That is a good idea.

-Juggler


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OT Email Virus / Post 197




Subject: OT Email Virus // view thread onlinePost Date: January 29th, 2002 04:18:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

I received an email today with an exe which I not very smartly opened. Ofcourse it was a virus. %$^#&*@!

The thing that makes it relevant to this group is the subject line contaied thename of Mystery, Rio, AlphaHot and a few others.

I opened it because I was expecting something from Mystery. Just saw his namein the heading so I double clicked it. Anyway, it went through my hard drive ina flash and copied all my jpgs and emails and tried to upload them somewhere.This is the first time I have been thankful I have a slow dial-up connection.

Anyway, I don’t know if I was targeted personally or others on this group wereas well. I know most guys on this group know better than to open an unusual exebut i just wanted to send a warning. The file was called sample.exe.

-Juggler


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OT Email Fun / Post 198




Subject: OT Email Fun // view thread onlinePost Date: January 29th, 2002 07:06:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Hey Jay,

Not sure what you mean by mail headers.I am RAFC as far as computers go.I sent you a copy of the email without the files. But that probably is useless.

Anyway, thanks for the input.

-Juggler


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Tao of Steve / Post 199




Subject: Tao of Steve // view thread onlinePost Date: January 30th, 2002 01:33:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Good point Next Level.

There is definetly a balance that you have to find between the two in order tobe effective.

-Juggler


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LTR screening from HB?? / Post 201




Subject: LTR screening from HB?? // view thread onlinePost Date: January 31st, 2002 02:11:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Set-up the dynamic where she can work for a possible relationship. Don’t giveher an answer one way or the other. Make it look like it will depend on herbehavior.

"Let’s see how things work out."

"I don’t know. Let’s see how good you can be to me" Etc...

-Juggler


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school/work seductions / Post 202




Subject: school/work seductions // view thread onlinePost Date: January 31st, 2002 02:14:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

School - YesJust establish the reputation that the girls chase you and not the other wayaround.

Work - No

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Communicating that you’re qualifying them - Ideas needed / Post 203




Subject: Communicating that you’re qualifying them - Ideas needed // view thread onlinePost Date: January 31st, 2002 02:38:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Most guys work this backwards.

In general, with women you just met, you want to make statements. Avoid askingmany questions.

The exception are questions which you ask for screening purposes. These aretests which you make up for her to try to pass.This accomplishes a few things. It shows you have distinguishing taste. Ittells her that she will have to have more than just a great body to get withyou and it puts her in the proper dynamic of working to garner your affections.

You can be direct or subtle. But either way they should be difficult even tothe point where she can not answer. That is right - have her fail some testquestions.

The questions should require work on her part either because they requireimagination, a sense of humor or just plain stretching her values to meetyours.

Here are a few examples and follow ups:

1."If you could spend your life doing one thing, what would it be?"

She will probably say something lame. You follow up by telling her about yourpassion in life. You give her an example to try to live up to and demonstratehow well spoken and thoughtful, passionate about your own life you are.

2."I like a woman who can cook well. What is your best dish?"

Wether she comes up with something or not you tell her your favorite is’whatever’. Mine happens to be lasagna. So I tell girls how much I like all thegooey cheese and noodles, etc.. If she doesn’t enjoy and like to talk aboutfood I usually walk away. I love eating.

3. "If we were a couple and I wanted to hang out with my friends to 2 am. Howwould you feel about that?"

Here you are point blank telling her the treatment you expect and holding ahoop for her to jump through. If you end up having a LTR with her, she willremember that she agreed not to complain when you stay out late.

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Of course, make up your own questions based on what you like from a girl. Butjust make sure they are not too easy and that they are interestingly creativequestions.

-Juggler


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Rapport building - Tony Robbins / Post 204




Subject: Rapport building - Tony Robbins // view thread onlinePost Date: January 31st, 2002 07:29:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advancedArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Forget mirroring. Forget matching her tone.Girls are typically worried, scared and inhibited. You do not want to be any ofthose things.

This mirroring stuff may work for getting the boss to like you so you get araise.But it is not what you want to do for seduction. Girls want to be with someonebetter then them. Show how much better you are. Be interesting and let yourbody language reinforce your words.

This is what you do with your body:

On approach: Hands down to the side. Head high and sly smile.

When in with a girl: Open posture. Hands reinforcing your words with slow,seductive, broad gestures. Kinoing.

Closing and SOIing: Intimately close. Hands kinoing.

Mirroring is what she is supposed to do to you. Not the other way around.

Be a Leader.

-Juggler


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Silencing strong opinions/beliefs/feelings, etc. / Post 205




Subject: Silencing strong opinions/beliefs/feelings, etc. // view thread onlinePost Date: February 1st, 2002 08:48:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Sounds like you are passionate about many things in life. Instead of feelingthat it is a handicap when sarging, consider that it may be a strength.

We humans are all attracted to passionate people. You just need to harness itinto productivity.

You are just the sort of person who would feel natural using juggler method ofnot asking values of girls and then feeding them back to her but insteadgettting her to ask and accept your values.

Here is what to do. When in with a girl or group of girls talk about YOURvalues. You would be great at this.

Just be sure to make it constructive. Do it in a way where you can phraseeverything in a positive way. Always end with a solution or an alternative toanything you dislike. This will let girls know that there is a path they canfollow to match your values.

See, many guys into seduction think they have to match a girl’s values. That isnot true. Values have to be matched but it should go the other way. Guys justdon’t know how to give a girl an easy path to do that.

So give them your values and show them how they can make the leap from theirown to yours. You do this by talking in a way which offers constructive,positive paths follow.

For example: Say, "It makes me angry when wild animals are caged for people’samusement. They should be as free as possible. I like the idea of getting awayfrom zoos and towards open refuges. I have contacts in this great refuge. Isend them twenty dollars every month."

Now a girl can see a way to please you. You have given her an actual action shecan take to please you. Girls like this sort of thing. She knows she can giveyou twenty dollars and you will forward it to a good cause.

State what you are for. Try to be as constructive as possible with yourpassions. And give her a way to please your values.

Here are more examples:

"I like spending time with my neices and playing like I am six years old. Doyou have any neices or nephews?"

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Here you give her a chance to tell you how she also likes playing with kids andusing hr imagination.

"I like girls who like to kiss." Pretty obvious how she can match this value.

You can think up many more. Just decide what you want in a girl and in life andconvey these things in a positive and constructive way which she and everyonearound you can imagine themselves being able to do. Show them the path to doingwhat you would like them too.

-Juggler


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Put a price on yourself / Post 207




Subject: Put a price on yourself // view thread onlinePost Date: February 7th, 2002 10:02:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

There is a lot of talk on this board about routines and stories, etc. These areall ways of demonstrating your worth. But consider there is also another way.And that is to put a price on yourself. Of course it is impractical to wear aprice sticker around on your forehead. So how you do this, is by putting priceson aspects of your personality.

For instance, if a girl/group gets wind of what I do for a living they will askme to tell a joke. Well, I don’t entertain anybody for free. So I ask what theyare going to do for me. They ask me what I want. I tell the girl I want a backrub. If she gives me one, I tell a joke. If she doesn’t, I don’t tell the joke.If she starts to give me a lame rub then I tell her to rub in specific ways orI won’t tell the joke. After the joke, of course I turn her around and rub herback or sometimes I keep her rubbing and then I get another girl and rub herback. I have gotten whole back rub circles going in clubs before.

You can do this in many situations. Even in silly ways. A girl asked me whatkind of car I drove. I told her I could not tell her. I would have to show herand I could not do that even until she decided she was going to be nice to me.She asked me how she was supposed to be nice to me. I told her she would haveto describe how beautiful my hands were. Well she did indeed do just that,although in a half-sarcastic tone (I do have nice hands, by the way - uselotion after every hand wash) Anyway, I take her out and show her my Neon. Ha!"The point is, just look at that excellent wash and wax I put on today." Ofcourse, we then got in and smooched.

Now sometimes the girl is just not willing to pay the price. That is where youhold firm and do not just give it to her. Because, if you just give in and giveit to her free then she will not value you. Better if you stick to your price.Even if you really want to give it to her free. For instance, say you tell heryou are taking a masseuse class and she wants a sample. And let’s say you tellher she has to buy you a drink first. If she doesn’t do that then you do notmassage her. Even though, you probably want to. Stick to your guns on that andyou will set yourself apart from the other guys for sure.

It is like walking into a car dealers’ show room and seeing a bright redconvertible. You read the sticker and it is much more than you can afford. Inyour mind that car has only gained in value because you cannot afford it.

Anyway, if a girl asks you for anything, consider trading for it as a means ofinsisting on your value. Also consider building routines around the idea ofselling your thoughts. As you talk, tell her you cannot talk about a certainsubject. Let her want it and ask for it and then trade for it, "I tell you

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what. You tell me an intimate sexy secret and if it is juicy enough then I’lltell you what you want to know."

It is also worth mentioning that you must make sure that what you are tradingfor is of real value to you and not something like her phone number or anythinglame like that.

The proper attitude also includes demonstrating that you are the kind of guywho unabashedly indulges himself and she is allowed to buy a path into yourgraces by giving you what you want.

-Juggler


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Opinion... / Post 208




Subject: Opinion... // view thread onlinePost Date: February 7th, 2002 10:30:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Good post Mike.

As far as what is AFC or not it depends alot on the guy and the situation whichis very difficult to convey in text. So guys should be a little more openminded. Of course, posters who are looking for advice should try to be asmarter about providing us with the relevant details so we know they are notjust doing AFC stuff.

As far as being a jerk, it is not neccesary or even preferable to be anuncaring jerk. This is an easy way out for many guys which seems to bepromulgated lately. This is a mistake. Yes, you will get laid with thatattitude but you will never know what can be accomplished with combining toughwith a warm side.

Of course there are times when you need to do take aways, and neg and all thatstuff. But personally, I like to do all kinds of cheesy lovey stuff for mygirlfriends. I wrote this picture poem just the other day for one of my girls.Spent hours on it. Now many guys here might call me an AFC for that.

-Juggler


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Statement of Intent: be the new me / Post 209




Subject: Statement of Intent: be the new me // view thread onlinePost Date: February 7th, 2002 01:51:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Good Luck FinalD

I’m sure you will do well.

I look forward to reading your posts on this project.

-Juggler


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Re: Phone Sarging Advice / Post 210




Subject: Re: Phone Sarging Advice // view thread onlinePost Date: February 7th, 2002 03:13:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

>But, I am>at a loss regarding how to>initiate a physical connection on the>phone. Come to think of it, this>advice could definitely help my>off-phone game too.

Well, everybody’s game is a little different. but maybe if I explained how Ilike to handle this it might give you some clues as to waht will work for you.

My way of approaching this begins right from the initial conversation. I comeacross as a guy who likes physical stuff. I talk about my favorite foods, howimportant it is for girls I know to be able to give a good back rub, etc.. Fromthere it is an easy step to talking about sex. It is very congruent with mypersonality. I make it clear at all times that I enjoy physical attention fromgirls and try to get them giving me physical attetnion (reverse kino) almostfrom the momnet I meet them. This lets them know that they can get in my goodgraces by touching me.

One of the things I like to say to a girl on the phone almost immediately is,(dropping my tone) "What are you wearing?" This always gets a laugh and theyalways desscribe what they are wearing. Then I will tell her I am wearing myglow in the dark holloween skeleton underwear. i go on about how cool they areand then tell them how they will never get to appreciate them cause I am notthat kind of guy. Well, at least not unless she brings me a pizza when shecomes over, etc..

Then I might ask her when she is coming over becuase I need a massage of mymuscles after my workout.

Never be afraid to paint a picture and propose a sexy idea. Just never sounddisapointed if she does not verbally take you up on the offer. Just laugh whenshe says she can’t do that.

I wish I could be more descriptive here. It is a kind of attitude whichpermeates all that you do. ^@%$*@! I hate the limitations of text.

Let me know what happens.

-Juggler

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rAFC seeks advice on becoming a PUA / Post 211




Subject: rAFC seeks advice on becoming a PUA // view thread onlinePost Date: February 7th, 2002 06:03:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Hi Rick,

Your post is just the sort of thing which has made me consider giving my ownworkshops. There is so much I would like to teach a motivated guy like you butit is frustrating dealing with the limitations of text.

Where do you live Rick? You may want to check the PAIR service on this site andgo out with a PUA.

-Juggler


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Asf faq-style #close / Post 212




Subject: Asf faq-style #close // view thread onlinePost Date: February 8th, 2002 01:00:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Don’t mention the bad number.

You: "Sorry I never called. It’s a long story, but this other girl I was seeingfound your number and ripped it up. Anyway, if you give me a kiss on the cheek,I’ll let you forgive me. ha ha ha By the way, when are you going to take me outand buy me dinner?"

-Juggler


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Why do girls DO... / Post 213




Subject: Why do girls DO... // view thread onlinePost Date: February 10th, 2002 04:45:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Don’t know if it means anything or not. But what a good subject forconversation with a girl! Bring this topic up the next time you are sarging.

-Juggler


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Making her Feel Good / Post 214




Subject: Making her Feel Good // view thread onlinePost Date: February 10th, 2002 04:52:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

>However, I’m not sure I>understand this fully. What>does it mean to make her feel>good? In what way? How would I>make her feel good?

Make her feel good about being with you. Resist the temptation to try to beentertaining. Instead be interesting. Show a range and depth to yourexpressions. Design all routines around the concept of showing your humanity.Lead her values.

-Juggler


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David Shade’s Manual? / Post 215




Subject: David Shade’s Manual? // view thread onlinePost Date: February 10th, 2002 05:15:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

I don’t have the book.

I got something better. I got David as a wing. And all I can tell you is thathe sure is cheap.

Hahaha, Just kidding David.

Seriously, even though our styles are very different, (I am not an NLP guy) Ican tell you that he knows his stuff. He and his girlfriend and I talk aboutsex techniques everytime we have dinner together and I always come awayfascinated and eager to try something new on a girlfriend. I have also heardsome people who like NLP say they wish they would have just bought David’s bookinstead of spending lots of bucks on all of Ross’s stuff.

-Juggler


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Re: Put a price on yourself / Post 216




Subject: Re: Put a price on yourself // view thread onlinePost Date: February 10th, 2002 05:59:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Thanks Chris.

I like the frame you take from your ex-girlfriend’s attitude.

-Juggler


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Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 217




Subject: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited // view thread onlinePost Date: February 10th, 2002 08:41:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Ill admit I got to the emotional vs. unemotional thread a little late. Buthere are some thoughts on the subject.

The rule of contrasts is at work. That is why the unemotional character mayget you some limited success. If you are someplace where all the guys aresmiling and being pleasant to the cute girls then your unemotional characterwill standout and make you initially interesting. And also, for some types ofgirls this character can be a continual neg, which they will forever work onovercoming.

Great, but I dont think you should limit yourself to one type ofgirl/situation. And this path usually means you will have to continually up theante by using negs and stronger and stronger negs in order to continuallycontrast and losing your effectiveness after a change of venue where you do nothave a situation where your inexpressiveness is a contrast.

Also consider that what you are doing may not really be showing a lack ofemotion. As someone else in this group pointed out, girls will read intowhatever you do. What you think of as blank is really an angry expression inmany girls mind. This can be a neg of sorts. But to continually be the angrycharacter will probably chase most girls away.Also consider that if you are unemotional then you are forced to work in hervalues frame. That means you are forced to elicit her values and not have hereliciting your values.

What you should be doing is working on not having your emotions engaged by agirl. But at the same time you should come across as an emotionally expressiveperson. Demonstrate your emotional/expression range by the things you talkabout and the way you talk about them. You want to SHOW the excitement you feltskydiving and the LOVE you feel for your beautiful nieces. A girl then seesthat you care about something and that you are a challenge in that she wantsyou to care about her as well. This is one of the things, which will get herchasing you. She knows there is something good at the other end.

What is attractive in another human being is their humanity. We demonstratethat by showing emotions and expressions.

An alpha man shows emotion. While a beta man walks around all day with a blankexpression, trying not to be seen or heard.

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Not offering up details of your life and avoiding fluff generate a sense ofmystery. Mystery is not generated by being emotionally guarded like how mostordinary people are. That is just boring.

Like it or not, you are always communicating with your environment on anemotional level. Instead of fighting it, learn to use it more consciously andeffectively. Properly used, expressions and demonstrations of your emotionalrange can give you a very powerful presence. You want to smile, look perplexed,scowl, and yes even look blank each in its place and time.

I think the PUA should always strive to be an exceptional person. Personally,when I go out in public, most of what I see are blank, emotionally guardedfaces. And most AFCs are very emotionally stingy scared to loosen up theirexpressions. That is so dull, common and uninspiring. On the other hand, themost interesting people I know are actor friends and other performers who arevery expressive.

If you practice showing emotions then you will, paradoxically, gain morecontrol over them. But if you try to hide and suppress your innate ability todemonstrate a range of expressions and emotions then they and other peopleusing them will ultimately control you.

Demonstrate emotions frequently. Talk about a rock climbing adventure withpassion and excitement. If you practice caring, and showing you care aboutthings then you are demonstrating that you are a passionate person and a girlwill yearn to become one of your passions. This is so much more powerful thankeeping your emotions/expressions under lock and key.

On the subject of hiding intentions. If you are unemotional, the only reasonyou have for approaching a girl is, in her mind, to hit on her. While if youare expressing an emotion then you come across as a guy who cant help but showhow fun playing with his nieces was or how amazing his hike was or howinteresting his new puppy is, etc.Of course I am not saying to always be emotionally honest. Be like an actorwhose emotions and expressions are powerful tools that you use to create aneffect on others.

Also you want to lead a girls values instead of asking for them withquestions. The best way to lead them out is to offer you as an example. Thiscan only be accomplished if you are in a mode of revealing feelings.

-Juggler


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Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 218




Subject: Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited // view thread onlinePost Date: February 11th, 2002 07:28:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Hey Toecutter,

Actually my post was not meant as a reply to one of yours, but some otherthreads. But I am glad you added your thoughts.

I agree that you need to be inwardly unemotional (towards the girl andsituation) and not outwardly unemotional. But I think performance wise it ismore than just being highly enthusiastic. It is about showing emotions as wellwhich makes you interesting. But in general I agree with your mindset.

-Juggler


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Hey Rio,

Glad you posted on this even though I disagree.Comments follow.>On 2/11/02 5:32:03 AM, Neo-Rio wrote:>Being unemotional is a sign of>extreme strength.

I disagree. Being in control of your emotions is what is strong. Being able toreveal emotions that you have chosen is the way to demonstrate this strength.

I think we are missing something here. If you are talking about having youremotions uncontrollable by a girl then I agree. >Indeed, it will attract a lot>of women - but keep in mind>that the weak ones>will not be able to handle>this "Unstoppable" neg. I have>found in personal>experience that the>unemotional vibe works best>with the hotties - but for>the chicks who are down the>attractiveness scale, it may>be too much for>them to handle. The weaker>ones will simply wet their>panties and run from>you - fearing a "rape" from>the alpha-male.

Yes, this is like an unstopable NEG. It is like constant 0s in your own 101theory. There is no balance and you have no 1s to contast with except thosewhich your venue or her need for afirmation gives you to work with. I don’tlike to depend on anything other than myself so I always am ready to supply myown 1s.>I start out my PUs being>somewhat unemotional. It works>for me. I have a>natural player vibe here in>Japan (some chick told me that>I looked a bit

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>like an army guy), so I have>to defend myself from shit on>a constant basis.>The unemotional bit helps me.

Indeed, this may be a case by case basis, but have you tried being veryunemotional towards the girl while at the sametime being very emtionalyconnected towards what you are talking about? In my mind, that is the key.>Anyway, Fear = Horny in the>minds of women. If I want to>create that state,>it’s easy for me to do. All I>have to do is color it with>some kindness,>some words on commitment,>under the veil of no emotion.>Besides, I want>women to judge me on my>actions, and not my words or>facial expression at>the time.>>Strong and silent.

Strong and silent towards them but not towards your own life, experiences andthoughts.

>This does not mean, however,>to be deviod of emotion. Have>emotion, use your>emotions to take action, be>that to elicit, tell a story>etc. - just don’t>show your own emotions too>much, nor be swayed by the>chicks emotions.

Agreed.> If>the story is funny, or>interesting, it will sell>itself. No need to get>worked up too much over it.

This is the problem with many guys who use MM style. They end up beingentertaining instead of interesting. They have great material but girl’s goodfeelings end up being linked to the material and not the guy using it. I talkabout this alot when I teach performance. A career on stage or in pick-up willgo much further if you concentrate on being interesting instead ofentertaining. Yes a funny story will sell itself. But it should exist to sellyou. A great routine is one which showcases your ability to use a broad rangeof expressions.>The other point about being>Mr. Interesting...... That is>useful, but I’ve>found that in competition with

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>most other guys that it gives>me no edge>whatsoever. Every other guy>out there wants to show off>his bit, and>oftentimes I cannot get a word>in edgeways.

You may be confusing the two. Every guy tries to be entertaining. Very few knowhow to be interesting.

Note, being interesting is not about being enthusiastic. It is about showcasingyour ability to be human.>The comment about adjusting to>the environment is good. Be>the odd one out.>If all the guys are>wallflowers, take the>initiative. If all the guys>are>taking the initiative, work>the room slowly and carefully.>There are a lot of variables.>Some chicks will go for>unemotional, other>weaker women will just want a>slobbering AFC guy to dance>with her in a club>to make her feel more>attractive.>>I’d rather not be the AFC guy,>at any cost, so I control my>emotions as best>I can.

Yes, control. But not hidden. Instead demonstrate how you can use them like acarpenter uses the tools in his toolbox. You must bring the tools out to usethem on her.

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Comments follow:

(snip)>So my question is do you display>the emotions about>others/other things to her,>but dont show emotions for>her?

That is almost it.Yes I display emotions toward other things. You have it there.

But since acting unemotional towards her is going to be mis-interpreted by heras a neg it is really impossible to show no emotions toward her. So I do showemotions toward her. Just usually not the ones she is trying to get me to showand never a need for her, etc.. I am constantly showing that I am in control ofemotions, both mine and hers.

By the way, one of my favorite ways of getting in with a girl/group is toactively scowl (that is to let her see me going from a smile to a scowl when Icatch her glance).

-Juggler


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Got the number, when to do what / Post 221




Subject: Got the number, when to do what // view thread onlinePost Date: February 11th, 2002 07:35:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

I stared at this post for awhile debating wether to respond. It is pretty AFCwith no relevant details. I hate to encourage that sort of thing. I mean ifyou, Luzer, do not even care enough to capitalize your ’I’s then why should Itake the time to respond to you?

Well, I’m going to because I’m in a generous mood and it is, after all, an easyquestion.

First of all, change your nick. No one should go around calling themselvesLuzer. It sounds too much like loser.

Second, capitalize your ’I’s. Even I know better and I didn’t even attendcollege.

Third, stand up straight. lol

Anyway, call the girl up and put her into a fun mood and then tell her you arenot going to the party. When she sounds disappointed tell her she can meet youfor coffee. Then just before the appointed time call her up and cancel. Tellher you threw your back out. When she sounds disappointed tell her it would becool if she would come over to your place and bring coffee with her. Tell heryou can not really get up off the couch but you will make her laugh from alying position. When she shows up get her to massage your back.

Then ask her to get the Kaluha out of the cupboard and mix it with the coffee.Get her drinking and relaxed. Then tell her your lips are sore and need to bemassaged too - with her lips. Kiss her, then pull her on top of yourself.Explore her body. Get her real heated up. Kiss her neck, her breasts and thenrub her crotch. Get her real wild and ready to screw.

Then tell her she can get the condoms if she would like. She saw them earlierbecause you keep them in the cupboard next to the liquor. Make her be on top -you are helpless after all. Sex her well. Make a miraculous recovery and go tothe party on Friday and get her and her cute friend into a threesome. Then onSaturday morning post a full lay report to this group.

-Juggler


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pu attempt on nyc subway / Post 222




Subject: pu attempt on nyc subway // view thread onlinePost Date: February 11th, 2002 08:17:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Congratulations on getting out there and making something happen. You will getthere eventually. Just keep approaching.

In the meantime, do not spend $2400. If you do that I will be extremely pissedat you.

Instead use the PAIR service on this site and go out with a PUA in your area.Or geez, pay me half of that $2400 and I’ll come out there and get you rollingin a weekend.

-Juggler


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Hi Jonanthan,

I actually plan on posting about this soon.The difference between being entertaining andbeing interesting is crucial.

The next week is a real busy one for me. Buthopefully I can post on this after that.

-Juggler


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On 2/13/02 3:15:34 AM, Ashton wrote:>>By the way, one of my>favorite ways of getting in>with a girl/group is to>>actively scowl (that is to>let her see me going from a>smile to a scowl when I>>catch her glance).>>Juggler,>>Can you please explain this?>What does this accomplish?>And how?

It is just an opener.

The scowl technique only works if you do it as a response to people. If youjust go around with a scowl then you just look like an unhappy person. But ifyou wear a smile or ’regular’ expression and then in that brief moment whensomeone looks your way you turn your expression into a scowl, it then lookslike you are scowling at them. That is what you want. Not a general scowl but aspecific scowl.

The way I do this playful scowl is to bring the eyebrows down and together andthe lips upward slightly. (play around with it and you will get the righteffect)

This look will cause the person to momentarily think, "Hey that guy justscowled at me. What is going on? Is he mad at me? Who is this guy?" They arefeeling a lot of curiosity. That is when you walk right over. You have theircomplete attention. Now replace your scowl with a playful smile and saysomething like, "What are you people doing at my favorite table?" Be preparedto explain why this is your favorite table. Make up a story that happened rightthere, like a girl proposed to you or something.

Note the scowl is done just for an instant. Just a little pop to jar the personreceiving the scowl. Another way of achieving a similar effect would be tostick your tongue out at a person. Of course that would require a differentfollow up after you walked over.

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Re: asking / Post 225




Subject: Re: asking // view thread onlinePost Date: February 18th, 2002 06:24:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

The intruding guy is just a gutless turd. He wants to get with the girl you aretalking with and wants to use you as an easy way in.

What you want to do is rotate 180 degrees.

Place an arm on her shoulder and gently turn her as you point out somethingbehind the two of you. Say, "See that (picture, person, tree, whatever) thatreminds me of this time when... " Make up an impromtue bit here. Your backsshould be turned to the intruding guy now.

This works as an effective snub which appears to come from both of you (eventhough you initiated)

It is important that the girl snubs with you else then the guy may just talk upthe girl while you go on snubing alone.

-Juggler


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What’s the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 226




Subject: What’s the Alpha way to handle this? // view thread onlinePost Date: February 21st, 2002 09:31:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advancedArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Your problem here is that you have a situation where you want to do what isright by opening the door for someone. But you don’t like a third party to’demand’ you do it.

Like if you were gathering up cloths and soap and a bucket and then to go washyour car and then your girlfriend calls just before you begin and bitches abouthow you should wash your car because it is soo dirty and she doesn’t want to beseen in it. Well, you may decide not to wash it just to show her you can’t bepushed around. But the fact is you want to wash your car because it is a warmsunny day and you are in the mood for making it real shiney.

What to do is to follow through with the action but at the sametime give out aneg to the insister.

For instance in my hypothetical situation you would say to your girlfriendsomething like, "You are a demanding person. No wonder my friends say I shouldget rid of you. I jst so happen to be washing my car today because I want to.Not because you are telling me to."

In your situation you could say to the UG, "You sure have a piercing wail of avoice." Then go let the other person in. Everyone else will see you are Alpha.You have balanced out her ’rude’ demand with a Neg. Letting the person in thenrests on it’s own merits you have cancelled out the UGs rudeness with your own.

-Juggler


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What really annoys me is when a girl squeezes her way... / Post 227




Subject: What really annoys me is when a girl squeezes her way out of the question // viewthread onlinePost Date: February 22nd, 2002 07:53:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Most likely you have not put her in a mood to reveal.

Instead of asking her questions, try making statements. This is more powerfuland you can lead by example. Just offer up your idea of an exotic vacation. Getreal creative with the details. Make her feel the sun on her face and theexcitement of exploring an exotic reef.

Then you can ask, if you want, about what her ideal vacation would be and shewill be lead by your example. But really you shouldn’t be asking much ofanything. The dynamic you want to have happen is that both of you are offeringthrough statements your passion, dreams and favorite sexual positions.

What you are trying to do is what alot of guys try in this group. You aretrying to ellicit values.

Damn! That term should be changed. You do not need to take her values. She cantake yours. You just have to get values out on the table and in the open. Youcan do this at the same time that you attract.

Now, if you ask a girl a question and she does not give a straight answer thendo not press her. This shows you care too much. Especially in the beginning,you want to come off as more into yourself than into her.

She should work to give you info. Not the other way around.

Personally, I like it when girls don’t answer my questions. I even purposelyask them questions that I hope they can not answer. This demonstrates my worthwhen I answer for them.

Now go out there and tell the ladies what you want.

-Juggler


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Hooking IOIs / Post 228




Subject: Hooking IOIs // view thread onlinePost Date: February 22nd, 2002 08:52:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Good post Rio.

This is similar to what I call forcing IOIs.

For guys, like me who are impatient by nature and don’t like to waste time bywaiting for IOIs.

You can figure out what IOIs you want and then ’trick’ or command them fromgirls.

For instance, these are some of the IOIs you force:

1. Body posture - Tell her to sit with the proper posture. Legs crossed towardsyou, hands lowered, etc.. Let her know it is rude otherwise.

2. Kino - Tell her to put a hand on your arm and feel the energy coursingthrough that special nerve. Tell her to stroke your hand. Give her a shoulderrub upon meeting her and then expect her to reciprocate.

3. Use conversational hooks and play upon her curiosity to get her asking youquestions.

4. Get her to ellicit your values.

5. Have her accepting your commands: Start small and then build up.

There are many more. Practically any IOIs you can think up can be forced. Thenin most instances you can close off them because she will act congruently withher behavior even though it was not her idea. But if you have problems you cando as RIO suggests and reference back to them if she tries to back away fromher attraction to you. But in my experience, if you force IOIs properly youwill be succesful in closing.

-Juggler


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Re: What’s the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 229




Subject: Re: What’s the Alpha way to handle this? // view thread onlinePost Date: February 22nd, 2002 01:45:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advancedArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

>Maybe I’m missing something but those>seem more like insults than negs.

Yep. No reason not to insult in this situation. The UGs demanding that he openthe door is already an insult. He is just reciprocating.

-Juggler


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Juggler ?’s / Post 230




Subject: Juggler ?’s // view thread onlinePost Date: February 25th, 2002 07:37:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Hi Chris,

Without this getting too corny of a love fest I have to tell you that you areone of the posters who I really respect. I have never detected an ounce ofboastfulness or immaturity in any of your posts. You seem to be very focused onbecoming the best PUA you can be. I also like that you incorporate whateverworks, irrespective of whom it comes from. I bet you have alot more game,compared to most guys on this board, than you realize.On a personal level I would really like to get together and go sarging. Are youin California? I am going to be in the San Francisco area March 14-17.

Okay, to answer your questions.

At the risk of sounding arrogant. I have few sticking points. I am very happywith my game. I give advice to make pick-up easier for the guys here but I’m abit of a hypocrite and don’t really follow my own advice. For myself I usuallytry to make pick-up harder. I need a challenge. I am pretty bored with regularPU right now.

If I have any sticking points it is maybe with managing girlfriends, organizingmy time and so on. I am a pretty busy guy. I perform two separate shows and amhosting a new weekly variety show starting soon. Posting to fast-seduction is like my hobby. A time to relax. You might sayanother sticking point is dealing with people who keep asking me how I canrelate to my 18 year old girlfriend. I’m 33. Or how does it feel to be sleepingwith a married chick. Or a girl who is a witch. I get tired of answering thesame questions.

I have never really been into reading field reports. To me most of them makedull reading. But there are really three reasons I don’t make field reports.

The first is that I am a slow typer and detailing a night of action seems likea lot of work.

Second, I seek out not just PU but adventures with women. Many people herewould just not belive the stuff that happens to me. And I don’t want to comeoff as bragging.

Third, there is the whole privacy thing. Because of my line of work I have sortof a public persona that I would like to keep separate from the Juggler guy whoposts here. I really don’t want everybody to know who I am. I don’t want theproblem Mystery has. I don’t want a girl I seduced to ever come here and readhow I bragged about making her bark like a dog. If I ever do begin to make

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regular field reports I’ll probably make them in the lounge.

But having said that, I am posting a field report on my Friday night out. forthe heck of it. Check out the Field Reports section.

-Juggler


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Astrology... / Post 231




Subject: Astrology... // view thread onlinePost Date: February 26th, 2002 01:36:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Things like tarrot cards, games, magic tricks and astrology are tools. But theway I would like to see them used is by beginners who need material from whichto relate with girls.

As the guy progresses he should leave these tools behind else they begin tobecome crutches.

In the end you want to rely 100% on yourself. You want girls not fascinated byyour material or what you can tell them about themselves. You want themfascinated by you.

-Juggler


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Smiling at HBs and Smoking / Post 232




Subject: Smiling at HBs and Smoking // view thread onlinePost Date: February 26th, 2002 01:52:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

A smile in general is good. It demonstrates confidence and a relaxed mood. Asly smile is also great. Sticking your tongue out is even better.

Once you are in with a girl/group use a wide range of expressions.

-Juggler


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Can this be turned around? / Post 233




Subject: Can this be turned around? // view thread onlinePost Date: February 26th, 2002 01:57:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Stop emailing. Tell her your computer is broke or something.Only talk to her on the telephone or in person.

When you see her make a point of applying instant kino. Do not let thenon-physical dynamic get set-up or it will snowball.

-Juggler


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Advise Needed / Post 234




Subject: Advise Needed // view thread onlinePost Date: February 26th, 2002 02:04:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Look through the PAIR service on this site.Find a PUA in your area. Invite him to show up at you work and introduce him tothis girl. After he picks her up and sexes her royaly then you will have lostyour oneitis and learned how PU is done.

-Juggler


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Fluff + EV vs. GM Style, pros and cons / Post 235




Subject: Fluff + EV vs. GM Style, pros and cons // view thread onlinePost Date: February 26th, 2002 02:22:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

No fluff! If I ever see you fluffing I will become very angry with you.

You feel you have to fluff because you are elliciting values. You feel you haveto establish fluff type rapport before she will feel comfortable answering yourelliciting questions. Well, stop that! Do not ask questions. Make statements!

Just begin to talk about your deep feelings, excitment and passion. Share yourvalues. How you love kids, great pizza and giving/recieving massage. It will bea bit scary because you will not get much feed back at first. But she willcatch up and begin to talk about deep feelings as well.

Lead at all times! This shows confidence. Show the range of your emotionsthrough your stories and interactions which girls will be able to relate too.Keep your tone of voice intimate and sexual.

-Juggler


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I feel really stupid to ask for fluff topics here... / Post 236




Subject: I feel really stupid to ask for fluff topics here... // view thread onlinePost Date: February 28th, 2002 06:46:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Here are a few tips:

1. Do not ask many questions. Make statements.

2. Hand conversational control to her only on feelings. Don’t end a block ofconversation by saying, "...that’s how come I ended up at this school." Insteaduse, "... but this school has me thinking about becoming even more passionateabout my art."

Do you get this? You want her relating to feelings and not details.

3. Be in control of the conversation. Forget fluff. Go for sharing your valuesand putting her in the mood. Do not let the chick place the conversation backon fluff. If she tries to return the conversation to boring stuff by asking aquestion like, "Do you know what time the gym closes?" Reframe her question forher, "A better question would be, ’What kind of fun can we find after the gymcloses.’"

4. Expect to supply 90% of the conversational momentum. It’s my 90-10 rule. Ifyou expect a regular conversation where you only give 50% then forget it. Shewill still only give 10%. That equals only 60% and the conversation will stall.

5. If you want her values then lead them out of her by sharing yours. VALUES DONOT HAVE TO MATCH. They just need to be brought to the table. Forget aboutsneaking her values out of her and feeding them back to her. That is lame. Youdon’t need to ever be sneaky. Just bring up values and discuss them out in theopen.

-Juggler


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San Francisco PU WorkShop / Post 237




Subject: San Francisco PU WorkShop // view thread onlinePost Date: February 28th, 2002 07:07:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

After being continually frustrated at my slow typing and inability to offermore personal direction I have decided to conduct my own workshop.

It will be in the San Francisco area on the weekend of March 15-17. Most likelyon Saturday, 16th.

I envision this informal workshop as giving real personalized attention.

All topics will be on the table. But definite for me will be:

1. Non-verbals 2. The importance of being interesting versus entertaining.3. Leading values instead of eliciting4. Making statements versus asking questions5. Group approaches6. Opening 7. Closing

The workshop is tentative at this point due to my scheduling commitments whichare still kind of up in the air. Hopefully this can be a sarge all day and intothe night kind of thing. With me demonstrating approaches and diagnosing guys’game I would like everyone to make AT LEAST twenty approaches. With beginners,getting many chances to wing off me. If you are afraid of approaching, I willcarry you through the process and hopefully instill the PUA attitude.Right now the whole thing is tentative, but if there is enough interest it willbe for sure. And if all goes well there will be an East coast workshop in Julyin Montreal.

Note, that this, in no way, is meant to compete against Mystery’s workshop orRJ’s classes. I would highly recommend taking Mystery’s workshop. From what Ihave heard it is 600 bucks well spent.

Now to the grit of the matter. How much this is going to cost you. I got a dealfor you. The price of this workshop, including the set of steak knives is...free. That’s right your cost is nothing. Hey, why should I charge you forsomething I like doing anyway? That’s right, it’s free. Of course there won’t be any limo and you have to payyour own cover, but hey, that’s still a great deal. But if anyone wants todonate $ for this workshop then all the better. I’ll give any profits toFormhandle for keeping this excellent website/resource going. Also, I’m just apoor ignorant mid-western boy, if anyone wants to give me a hand in thelogistics of planning where and how to get around in San Fran let me know.

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Remember, the whole thing is tentative at this point but I would love to hearsome ideas, in this thread, on how to make this a great workshop.

If you are interested in being part of this workshop email me. jug***r@ti***.com [ safemail ]

-Juggler


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Tricky / Post 238




Subject: Tricky // view thread onlinePost Date: March 1st, 2002 06:21:00 AM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniquesArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

There is nothing wrong with a girl asking you questions. This means she isinterested in you. It is an indicator of interest. You want to encourage andreward her curiosity.

However the dynamic you want to set up in most situations is the two of youboth offering up your thoughts on deep feelings, passions and favorite sexualpositions.

Yes, when someone asks a question it is taking the lead, sort of. It is reallya false lead though. To really lead you need to take a chance and put yourselfout there. Just like I continually tell guys on this list. Make statements notquestions. It is too easy just to sit back and ask questions and not exposeyourself to risk.

Okay, having said all that, what you want is for her to ask you seriousinteresting questions. If you ever feel a girl’s question is leading you awayfrom seduction then you want to reframe it for her.

You: "A better question would be, ’What kind of person makes the best lover?’"Keep tone easy and sympathetic. Then you go on to answer your new question.

This accomplishes the task of not answering what you consider a stupid questionwhile at the sametime letting her feel her curiosity is appreciated, all thewhile staying on target for seduction.

-Juggler


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Subject: San Francisco PU WorkShop // view thread onlinePost Date: March 1st, 2002 12:44:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Thanks to everyone who responded. I’m really amazed at the interest. My emailis full.

I wish I could take everybody. Unfortunately I have to limit it to 6-8 guys.Although I might make an exception to someone who can provide a great bit oflogistical support.I really want this to be a workshop and not a seminar. And especially sincethis is the first run at this, it would probably be good to keep it small.

At this point it is a 90% certainty that the workshop is going to happen. Itshould be alot of fun. I’m looking forward to making some new friends andgetting everybody laid.

To everybody who is in I will be sending out confirmation emails soon. To thosewho were not quite fast enough on the email send button my apologizes.Hopefully we can do another one soon. Also you may want to check out Mystery’sworkshop. Not sure if it is sold out, but I think he is having one out therethe week before.

Thanks,Juggler


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Subject: San Francisco PU WorkShop // view thread onlinePost Date: March 1st, 2002 04:39:00 PM (EST)Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.generalArticle Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact [email protected])Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"Email links in posts are protected using the Safemail system via FastSeduction.com

Thanks Next Level>That sounds like a fantastic opportunity>and I hope everyone on the forum who>lives close enough will take advantage>of it. Since I live overseas I wont be>one of them, but you have some great>ideas and insights and I enjoy your>posts. I have noticed that your approach>is slightly different to the commonly>used EV & Patterns style, which I think>is a good thing because I can see the>benefits of leading with statements etc>instead of just asking about her values>and conforming to them. Hope everyone>has a blast at the workshop :)


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Table of Contents.............. 1The Jaw-Dropping Juggler Archive v2.0 from Fast Seduction 101®

........................ 2Background

.................... 3Re: Ugly chicks / Post 181

............. 4How to close when chicks boss is around?? / Post 182

.................... 5The 101 Primer / Post 183

............... 6I didn’t hear a fucking word you said / Post 184

.................... 7AFC question... / Post 185

..................... 8Tao of Steve / Post 186

................ 9How do I use my sexual power? / Post 187

............... 10extracting target from mutual friends / Post 188

.................. 11jumping into conversations / Post 189

................ 12Chicks Eager for #’s but Don’t Call / Post 190

............... 13Another Question (On Topic This Time) / Post 191

............... 14extracting target from mutual friends / Post 192

.................... 15Re: Tao of Steve / Post 193

................... 17Advice: flake or not? / Post 194

................ 18Re: HB call soon - do i bust balls? / Post 195

.................... 20Re: Tao of Steve / Post 196

.................... 22OT Email Virus / Post 197

..................... 23OT Email Fun / Post 198

..................... 24Tao of Steve / Post 199

.................. 25LTR screening from HB?? / Post 201

.................. 26school/work seductions / Post 202

.......... 27Communicating that you’re qualifying them - Ideas needed / Post 203

................ 29Rapport building - Tony Robbins / Post 204

............. 30Silencing strong opinions/beliefs/feelings, etc. / Post 205

................... 32Put a price on yourself / Post 207

...................... 34Opinion... / Post 208

................ 35Statement of Intent: be the new me / Post 209

.................. 36Re: Phone Sarging Advice / Post 210

.............. 38rAFC seeks advice on becoming a PUA / Post 211

................... 39Asf faq-style #close / Post 212

.................... 40Why do girls DO... / Post 213

................... 41Making her Feel Good / Post 214

.................. 42David Shade’s Manual? / Post 215

.................. 43Re: Put a price on yourself / Post 216

............... 44Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 217

.............. 46Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 218



................ 51Got the number, when to do what / Post 221

.................. 52pu attempt on nyc subway / Post 222



...................... 56Re: asking / Post 225

............... 57What’s the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 226

.......... 58What really annoys me is when a girl squeezes her way... / Post 227

..................... 59Hooking IOIs / Post 228

.............. 60Re: What’s the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 229

...................... 61Juggler ?’s / Post 230

..................... 63Astrology... / Post 231

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.................. 64Smiling at HBs and Smoking / Post 232

................... 65Can this be turned around? / Post 233

...................... 66Advise Needed / Post 234

................ 67Fluff + EV vs. GM Style, pros and cons / Post 235

.............. 68I feel really stupid to ask for fluff topics here... / Post 236

.................. 69San Francisco PU WorkShop / Post 237

........................ 71Tricky / Post 238



......................... 74DISCLAIMER

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