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1st BSIT Consultative Curriculum DevelopmentYou are Attending · Share · Public Event
Time Wednesday at 10:00am - October 21 at 4:00pm
Location Hacienda Darasa, Tanauan, Batangas
Created By Don Bosco BS Information Technology
More Info Curriculum Development for the BSIT Program of Don Bosco involving allfaculty members, alumni (via cyberspace), and selected studentrepresentatives from different year level.
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Matt Lebrun I'd like to share my realizations whenI joined the corporate world which I hope would be of somehelp inthe coming Curriculum Development. It is in my best intention to helpthe future generation of IT students in DBTC. This will come inrandom since I'm writing this as I think so please bear with me.13 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Matt Lebrun To appreciate our Accounting subjects betterintroduce ERP to the students. A lot of opportunities await inthe business-side of IT. Also I agree to give SOENG morefocus as it will greatly help.
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Matt Lebrun Software programming jobs will see a declineof demand in the US in the next 5-10yrs. A few reasons areoffshoring and outsourcing. But Software Engineering will risein demand in the US for the next 5-10yrs.Two things can be taken from this. Countries like us maybenefit from the offshored/outsourced jobs and a foresightthat Software Engineering might/will/is a critical role for anIT graduate to consider.
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Matt Lebrun I always wished we had more projects wherethere will be chances to talk to real clients, learn theirbusiness, gather specs, think of how technology can solvetheir problem, document it, then develop the solution. Havingthis will give our IT graduates a very strong edge once theystep into the corporate world. This would've build theirbusiness, people, and technical skills.
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Matt Lebrun I always remember Sir Barcy saying in aproject 70% goes to planning, research, specs gathering,consolidation, etc and 30% goes to development orprogramming. I found this to be very true in corporate,sometimes its even 80:20 or 90:10.
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Matt Lebrun Web development and Mobile development willbe very hot areas for those who wish to pursueprogramming in the next 5-10yrs because of Web 3.0 andCloud Computing. Even talks on Web 4.0 is spreading and
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Matt Lebrun The programming language used is trivialcompared to having a programmer's mindset. Thereforelogical/problem-solving skills is very important. In thecorporate world, you don't always have a say/choice as towhat language will be used but if you have grasped the basicsyou're well on your way to learning any programminglanguage. Anyhow, if you don't know their language of choicethey'll train you but the classroom/laboratory is the bestplace to instill a programmer's mindset.
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Matt Lebrun As an elective, our IT students might alsobenefit from learning SEO and SEM.
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Matt Lebrun I've also learned that people skills is evenmore important than technical skills. 85% of your success inbusiness will be affected by this and only 15% by yourtechnical prowess. You'll meet managers/team leadersinferior to your technical skills but the reason they're in thatposition is because they know how to manage people. Thepeople at the top are not necessarily the best at what they dobut they're the best at managing people who are the best atwhat they do. Likewise, our Theology and Psychology classesare very much appreciated in this regard – Technology with aSoul remember?
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Matt Lebrun Most of the time students think of the twosubjects mentioned above as a bore and waste, but onceyou're faced with the critical, harsh, demanding, brutal,energy-sucking reality of the corporate world or just lifeoutside the academe you'll value the lessons learned fromthose subjects. The corporate pay thousands just to give theiremployees the lessons we are already learning from thosesubjects. So please value them. Take notes and keep themwith you especially once you step out of school.
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Matt Lebrun Back to Cloud and other emerging webtechnologies. It is because of these that Network Security willbe an ever so hot topic in the very very near future.Knowledge and expertise in this field will be very important.
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Matt Lebrun Back to our Elective subjects. Since the choiceof path to take after an IT student graduates is vast, could bepossible that the student can have a choice of elective totake? For example if the student wishes to take theNetworking side of IT then would have a choice of having anelective that would teach him more advanced topics in thatfield (Network security and the like). Or if its on thedevelopment/software engineering side the more advancedtopics in this regard can be taken.
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Matt Lebrun There's still a few things that must've escapedmy thoughts, but that's it for now :) I hope this helps.
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Matt Lebrun Sorry for the redundant things ive mentioned.I just read the other posts here after I posted my thoughts^_^;
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Rodelio Barcenas Great Matt, ang dami na nito.. thanks forthe help...I'll try to collate the alumni iniputs then present the directionsor plans here by monday... hopefully by tue, all of us can seethe new directions of BSIT.
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Then on wed, I will be presenting the collated directions tothe faculty for the curriculum review...Thanks and God bless you more....
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Bogs Abraham Kudos Matt binasa ko talga lahathehe,coudn't have said it any better my friend. Kahitnosebleed ata ako sa ibang mga pinagsasasabi mo sir.One point i would like to raise though is on the networkingside lang naman.I really wish we could offer a networking courseware for thelesser gifted in programming, particularly modules of Cisco,ccent and icnd2, and then later on perhaps routing,switching,netsec fundamentals as you were pointing out... -mac
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Bogs Abraham Im not taking anything away fromdatacoms, but if there only was a substitute nonprogramming subject and a competent networking subjectthat other technical students could perhaps go and excel at,this would be the most qualified alternative :)all other schools have them, baka pwede din satin. Again itsjust my opinion, and others too... i know its not going to beeasy, but i know it will be for the good of our bosconiancommunity. peace! regards sirs Pro deo et patria
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Rodelio Barcenas Yes change is a painstaking thing topursue always.OK lang yun Bogs... everyone needs to grow....Thanks for the inputs
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Giovanni Petrache More elective subjects(No maximumlimit of enrolled elective subjects)- if its possible to start elective classes(basics/introduction) in the 1styear level so students would be able to know what field to specializeespecially for the undecided ones
basicentrepreneurial management subjects- lets say, you have the skills of doing those IT stuff. But do you wantto be come an employee till you retire or do you want retire early andbe our own boss? I am currently into web development, making websites for different companies in which they are making shit loads ofmoney. So this idea came into my mind, instead of making web sitesfor them why wont I make my own web site or program and profit fromit.20 hours ago · Comment · Unlike · Flag
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Rodelio Barcenas Uy... this is worth a try... The BSITprogram is trying to teach students become ready in theworkplace...Why not also training them to be ready to become futureentrepreneurs in the IT workplace....I think we need to re-think the graduate attributes of an ITGraduate. We need to see where to fit this
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Giovanni Petrache having more entrepreneurs in ourcountry could probably help our economic condition.
sorry to those computer shop owners, i'm not referring toyou.. LOL
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future google, facebook, inventors, or running your own firminstead of the firm running you...Kailangan namin nang speaker dito...Invite ka namin ha?
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Giovanni Petrache running your own firm instead of thefirm running you...- mismo sir
Invite ka namin ha?- hahahahah.. sure sir, but i'm currently out of the country. iguess i have to put up my own business first so i can sharemy experiences.. hopefully soon.. i think JB could be a goodspeaker for that.
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Rodelio Barcenas Sige... students can draw inspirationfrom you.Galing! clap clap clap... he heAprub
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Christian Jesus Cerillo nice idea. actually focus ako ngaunsa web development and i'm freelancer now. pero naisip komagbuild ng startup company at mag create ng sarilingsoftware product..
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Rodelio Barcenas Having my students to become successfulentreprenuer is one of my dreams.Kapag marami na sila and serving our country...I have done my part na siguro... time to retire....
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Rodelio Barcenas yeah! great Christian... Like Giovanni...he is one of the first batch of BSIT... sana dumami mga selfemployed and ultimately provide jobs to our fellowcountrymen..Its a long journey... but i think would be really worth it.Nothing wrong with that... you have my thumbs up there...
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Giovanni Petrache @christian: your into telecommuting?
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Rodelio Barcenas I'll try to share this to our professors...this is one good thing we must try hard to include in thecurriculum
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Rodelio Barcenas perhaps Software as a Service ....something like that
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Christian Jesus Cerillo @sir rodel: thanks sir. madami poako nakakausap ng mga startup company sa ibang bansathru internet lang kaya nainspire din ako.
@giovanni: oo kuya, telecommuting.. mejo nagsisimula palang pero ok naman.. since nag resign ako sa dating work koas web developer sinubukan ko tong telecommute jobs..
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Christian Jesus Cerillo eto inspiration kohttp://www.pinoywebstartup.com/
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Rodelio Barcenas We'll take note of that... malay mo youwill become another website millionaire like facebook...Follow your dreams...Si giovanni can guide you. BSIT alumni natin yan.Siya lang ang stud sa batch nila na nag work on his own...Get advices from him...
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Christian Jesus Cerillo @thank you sir..
i'll take advices from kuya Giovanni..
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Rodelio Barcenas Maganda rin mag karoon tayo nang BSITEntrepreneurs Group din para mag join mga alumni natin naself employed...Helping one another ba....It would strengthen each and others advocacies.sharing on projects... opportunities... para yung mga startupgroups ay matulungan din...
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Rodelio Barcenas Interesting itong thread na ito ah...sana others can read through
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Giovanni Petrache @christian: dude, im sorry but im notused to be called kuya. just call me by my firstname. im coolwith it. peace.just ask around, i can share you my ideas and maybe giveyou advices.maybe you can use this to organize your ideashttp://www.mindmap.com/back to the drawing board.
@sir rodel: im currently an ofw here singapore, working fora french company. so i think im not self employed now. ^^ryzan malabuyoc(classmate) was the one who introduced meto the telecommuting job. I owe this to him. I think he's doinggood in that field.
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Rodelio Barcenas does he have an FB account?
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Christian Jesus Cerillo @giovanni: sorry.. sige Giovanniena lang.. thanks for sharing, yes back to basics, mindmap..
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Giovanni Petrache ENGLISH- i am one of those bastards to take this subject for granted.i even failed this subject when i was in high school. this is a MUST,especially if we want to compete with the global market
SOCIAL SKILLS- this could not be learn in the four corners of the classroom. even howgood you are academically(getting 1 for gpa) but your an arse, youwould still be an arse.20 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas IT Students must have InterpersonalSkills + Real Good Written and spoken English
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Mikki Robiso correct.. +1 for Vanni hehe
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Giovanni Petrache For students:Don't you dare to miss out your college life, go out and havefun(you can ask your sir Henard King Rodriguez about it). Im notstopping you from doing stupid things because we learn from it. Justbe sure to learn the things that is being thought, like academics andChat (Offline)
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make the best out of it.
If you don't understand something, don't feel stupid, dumb or shy, goask and learn.
I guess learning starts when we first came out of this world(we learnhow to breath). Going to school/college/university is just apreparation for the career path we plan take. Its doesn't mean thatwhen we graduate, it's the end of it. It is actually the beginning.You'll know when you get there.
Learning or education is a never ending process.20 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas The students should be trained to havethe passion for learning more .... medyo mahirap ito butworth it
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Giovanni Petrache i guess this the common issue witheducators. but when you got them started *boom*. angproblema na lng is what to teach them..
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Rodelio Barcenas yup. copy
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Fern Ariola also not to repeatedly do the same stupid thingbut learn from its consequences
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Rodelio Barcenas Agree... tama
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Geo TotoyPanget Dela Paz Symfony is a good PHPFramework. I used it in my previous job. ;D21 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas Thanks Geo... we'll try to study yourinputs as well as coldfusion... ang concern lang namin is kunggaano karami sa industry ang gumagamit nito....
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Rodelio Barcenas This is another input sa Electives
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Daniel Quismorio sir, sa mga electives try Coldfusion..madali lng po siya aralin.. SUper dali gamitin pang hatak ngmaraming tables specially sa mga web base project na ginagawa posa skul.. tps pwede po i-integrate sa mga scripting language, like phpetc..22 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas we'll look into this one...yep... electives perhaps
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Jerome Bassig "Problem Resolution Time" is essential inevery business. More often, one small problem leads to amuch more difficult one. With this, ITIL (Information TechnologyInfrastructure Library) is introduce. It's a set of IT activities whichChat (Offline)
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Remember that its not always that you solve the problem, but alsothe time it took to fix it.22 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas nice one...Copy.... No more mercy this time sa deadlines....
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Jerome Bassig Naalala ko d2, ung nka-post sa IT LAB.."Beggars not allowed, Professionals Come in"..
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Rodelio Barcenas inculcate discipline among studs is reallya must.Its easier to explain to them now... once may kuya sila nanag sasalita from the outside
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Rodelio Barcenas Ibabalik ko nga ulit yun...May nag tanggal nun eh...
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Rodelio Barcenas kahit anong galing mo sa lahat nang ITtechnologies... kung wala ka nito tsk tsk tsk... sabog
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Jerome Bassig one more thing, "ITS ALWAYS OK TOASK".. Hindi masama magtanung, kasi most probably someof us might have encountered the problem that you areentangled now.. There's no Letter "I" in the word "TEAM"..
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Rodelio Barcenas another point... Team work is notevident sa mga IT students..kahit sa Thesis na lang, walang group... minsan 1 or 2 langgumagawa...
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Rodelio Barcenas another important part here is thethinking and analysis part...kung wala ka nito, may prob ka talaga sa deadline...siguro ... training students to think critically rin important
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Jerome Bassig This will fall into group management as wellsir. If you're leader is not capable of handling the team, walatalaga mangyayari.
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Rodelio Barcenas Focus also on leadership skill instudents...kailangan mailagay din ito sa curricullum
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Rodelio Barcenas This are softskills... we'll try to see kunganong mga subjects pede insert itong issue na ito
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Rodelio Barcenas LeadershipTeamworkCritical ThinkingTime control
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Jerome Bassig A sign of a good leader is that he/she canexpel member na hindi na productive.. That way, his/hermembers will be always be push to the limits, giving pricelessend-results.
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Mark Ballesteros Try to integrate Search Engine Marketing(SEM) to the course itself. Since most of the things that arein the internet today can be based on Social Medias. I, for one neverthought that IT and Marketing can co-exists. I remembered that wetackled at IRM about web crawling, and if it is possible that you cango deeper to SEO (Search Engine Optimization) and SEM. If ever,there are a lot of possibilities to learn more lalo na dynamic angtechnology today. Now at work, I've learned a lot about SEO and Ihope that students can really learn it kahit konti lang para may ideasila on how diverse the technology today.22 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas Narinig ko na din ito sa iba alumni.I'll communicate this with Sir AlvinMamya... I'll call his attention on this
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Mark Ballesteros thanks sir barci!if ever, i'll give someinputs on a more deeper way sa SEO pag may time!
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Rodelio Barcenas Sige... medyo bago tech na yan... feedmo kami inputs...madali naman kami maka pickup
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Allan Butz Malunes Sir Barcenas, I remember his topicway back college days when a student of AMA was televisedand claims he 'hacked' a website of a famous fastfoodcompany (I'm still finding the link) he was arrested but freedbecause laws in cyberhacking wasn't 'refined' back then.Cutting the story short, news claims he uses SEO/SEM toredirect traffic to his favored brand thus occupying the first10 links in search engines. It was a crime because it'sunethical to use meta tags to misrepresent a companyEx. If your brand is Jolibee but you used meta tags related tomcdoin effect when anyone types in search engine 'mcdohamburgers' a jolibbe entry will still appear.
I've researched more about the topic and I found out thatSEO/SEM is taught at AMA or STI ata as elective. I'll post if Ifound more details of the topic.
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Rodelio Barcenas Sige Allan, give me more info aboutthis...Nice info....
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Alvin Boki Some suggestions also for students who areconsidering Software Engineering1. Do NOT take forgranted the lessons about SDLC. It is the lifeline ofthe software engineering line and you cannot just "code and deploy"your program without some proper planning on how you accomplishyour project.2. Do NOT limit yourself to the programming. Clients will also beconfident of your skills if you can configure servers, deployapplications, identify frameworks, etc. But of course you have theoption of being a specialist of your field3. Final tip. OBSERVE DEADLINES!!! Business will not be able to takeyour excuse of late deadlines as you do now in school, 1 mistake isnot only your mistake, it will also be your team's (and possible yourChat (Offline)
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company's) mistake. That's what our batch learned after the hardyears in college. ;)23 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas thanks for this input... will relay this tothe studs...
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Jerome Bassig Deadline = ang kakatay sayo sa industry...
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Rodelio Barcenas Shape up or Ship out
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Alvin Boki If it's possible to have a branching of skillset forthe IT curriculum? I've been on the Software Engineeringindustry, but most of my batchmate also end up in DatabaseAdministration and Systems Administrators. I agree for most of thepeople here that suggest that we should also focus on other aspects ofIT and not on programming. Maybe students who aspire forprogramming should be co-branched with Computer Science? Justsome ideas but I am thinking if it is doable for the school23 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas thanks alvin....Iba kasi ang totoong discipline nang Computer Science.Research ang focus nang Computer Science
There is a move na tanggalin ang Thesis and replace it withCapstone Project. Parang thesis din ito... pero applied.Students will really deal with implementing actual IT systemssa mga company
Para ito sa application nang SOENG and SOPRJ subjectswhat do you think?
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Alvin Boki Would it be redundant for SOENG and SOPRJ ?And would the students also be limited to a certain technologyor are they free to choose? :)
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Rodelio Barcenas still in the draft pa rinmay advantage pa rin kasi ang students na marunong magresearch or thesis... important skill yung research
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Rodelio Barcenas siguro, dapat may connection sa realityang dapat gawin nang students sa SOENG and SOPRJ
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Alvin Boki I'd go for focus on reaserch then . Anotherquestion is that, like most alumni mentioned here, somepeople might not be interested in software engineering andare keen on other fields of IT (like Voice/PABX from Dan,System Administration from King, etc.). Would the studentshave an option to from this fields? Given that this fields mayhave a limited slots available so that there's a balanceddistribution of skilled graduates
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Rodelio Barcenas yung VOIP, pwede mag introduce saAdvance DTCOMexample Asterisk
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Alvin Boki This "Capstone Project", would it also apply onother fields of IT like DTCOM, DBMS and SYSAD?
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Rodelio Barcenas yes... A system... as a whole
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Rodelio Barcenas mas madugo pa nga yun sa ITPRJ
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Alvin Boki Ouch :P I think we're off a good start, identifyingall the possible skillsets and fields . let's see how it goes. I'llthink of another input maybe this week.
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Rodelio Barcenas I-collate ko na kasi by monday... thenpresent ko sa alumni...then kung ok... present ko sa curriculum dev namin by wed
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Alvin Boki then by later or tomorrow sunday :)
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Rodelio Barcenas thanks for your time ha?
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Dan Vicera Suggestion, Introduce VOIP/PABX system inthe curriculum like Asterisk and Vicidial. Having anexperience with these two system will give you an edge when workingon a call center/BPO Industry.23 hours ago · Comment · Like · Flag
Jerome Bassig yap.. kahit simulation lang, para magkaruonng idea ung mga future hopefuls how is it in the industrymentioned above..
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Jessie Alipio The students should know what they reallywants, on programming orin hardware/designing of thesystems, because the school maybe can givelectures about designingsystems and not all about programming.so i suggest that the studentswho are interested in system designing (includes configs inrouters,firewalls, subnetting...
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Rodelio Barcenas that's one good angle jessie --> thestudents should really know what they want.in reality, there is a big number of students still rising up tothe third year level who doesnt know what they really want.Maybe kulang din ang department nang good informationsystem explaining and making them appreciate the coursethey are taking...The Elective offering should be more than usual, makingthem pick which major they want to pursue...thanks for the input
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Rico M. Manalo we have started injecting the topic likesubnetting of ipv4 and introduction of ipv6 to advanced datacommunication and router configuration to computerengineering through packet tracer sad to say we dont havecisco routers.
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Rodelio Barcenas yung luma na itatapon na
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Rico M. Manalo Major projects of my students at the end ofthe course Advanced data communication are to set updiffrent servers using Linux like printer server, DHCP server,FTP, DNS, HTTP server and database server..
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Rodelio Barcenas or just simply convert the existing ITPRJto Capstone Project
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Rodelio Barcenas yun naman description nun...ITPRj -- IT Project
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Bitoy Mitra I would suggest that let the students realizethat hindi lang yung magaling sa pag code ang kelangan paglabas mo. I've seen cases na kahit sobrang dami ng magaling naprogrammers the project seems to go over the budget simply becauseof the technical designs. I can say for myself that the most crucial partof SDLC is the Planning and the Analysis dahil kapag jan pa lang tamaang pagkaka gawa hindi ka na mag kaka problem sa design up toimplementation.
To the students, I suggest you take your english subject seriously.You're going to benefit from it pag labas sa school. I was justwondering kung bakit wala kaming technical writing nung time namin.It would be such a great help.
Tandaan hindi habang buhay mag ccode ka.Friday at 7:49pm · Comment · Like · Flag
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Rodelio Barcenas Thanks ... copy that...Agree .... kahit may alam ka sa SOENG and SOPRJ mgt...pag english ang prob... sablay ka.... tama ka diyanLalo na yung di ma express yung sarili at hirap magsalita.Mas malalim na prob ito.
Until now yung iba natin IT grad may prob sa english...Whew, madami dami itong trabaho... he he
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Rodelio Barcenas Tandaan hindi habang buhay mag ccodeka. <--- I like this ... he he
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Dan Vicera Bityo, I think we do have technical writingbefore as part of the English subject. The problem is we takeit for granted...
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Jerome Bassig tama, hindi ka laging nsa back-end ngteam..
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Paolo Non Too much focus on programming.. Pay moreattention to the Hardware and OS aspect of IT. Being able toinstall Linux on a server is different from managing it. Now think of
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managing more than 10000 Linux, Unix and Windows machines. Alsotake note of virtualization as in-the-cloud technology is on the rise.Friday at 11:52am · Comment · Like · Flag
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Rodelio Barcenas Thanks for the input. Yes definitely thedirections of IT is moving towards the Cloud computing... Insome countries, they are downsizing the IT personnelrequirements.this is a trouble in the near future. There would be lesserrequirements for programmers, etc.
I agree to the idea of giving attention to the managing part ofit... The cloud system does not work on single computers only
thanks paolo on the input... it just confirmed my thoughtsabout it
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Mikki Robiso Sir, I would also like to add working on 64-bitOS environment and server clustering/load balancing onserver deployment and implementation. Also, fundamentalson Linux OS filesystem, tools and configuration files which isalso essential on server management.
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Christian Jesus Cerillo How about Web Development?? I'mcurrently using varieties of open source CMS like Drupal,Joomla and Wordpress to provide website authoring and easemanagement of Contents in web.. PHP still is the most powerful webprogramming language but why not try introducing web frameworkslike Django(Python based). CSS3 and HTML...
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Rodelio Barcenas Hi, thanks for the inputs... currently weare introducing PHP frameworks to the curriculum, MVC -Model View Controllers.CMS and other PHP based apps are doing it throughframeworks. PHP cake, Code Igniter...
Do you use frameworks...
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Christian Jesus Cerillo I've tried using sir Code Igniter,much better than any frameworks available. Tapos inaral kodin Zend but I've find it difficult. Much better if theprogrammer must come up with his own version offramework. Important po kasi para mapabilis angprogramming.
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Rodelio Barcenas I agree to that... Sir King too was havingproblems with Zend.. Sir Alvin introduced this to an Electivesubject, MVC Model View Controllers... enjoy sila...Siguro pa-train ko pa yung teacher regarding thistechnology... Thanks very much...
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Matt Lebrun I can't be there physically, but i'd love toshare some thoughts that might help. w\Where can I post?Friday at 12:55am · Comment · Like · Flag Chat (Offline)
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Rodelio Barcenas Anywhere... post or comment on other'spost
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Alvin Boki Java(J2EE) and Oracle PL/SQL. Softwareengineering.Thursday at 11:24pm · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas Thanks alvin... any inputs? Something todiscuss?
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Alvin Boki new inputs incoming :)
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Rodelio Barcenas thanks
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Aletheia Maclang Sir, yung paggawa po ng documents...From requirements gathering up to the maintenance of theproject. Na-experience ko po kasi sa work na mas mahirap gumawang system kapag hindi clear yung requirements ng client... andnasasayang yung time kapag pabago bago yung requirements lalo nakapag walang proof kung ano talaga yung napag-usapan ng bothparties.
I used to work using .NET pero ngayon more on VBA ang ginagamitko.Thursday at 11:16pm · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas Thanks aleth for the inputs... yan ngatalaga ang problem, not the programming side...May ginawa kami sa SOENG413 lately na naging connectedsiya sa actual stakeholder. Maybe a real hands on typeactivity will help train students. Expand pa siguro....SOENG413 more....
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Aletheia Maclang yeap... hirap din magturn over ng mgaprojects... lalo na kapag walang documents... kaya kapaginexplain sakin yung process, kailangan maintindihan ko siyakagad as a whole kasi po kapag hindi.. mammroblema naako kapag nagsupport ako ng system. :P
Tsaka sir, more problem solving sa programming... Not tomake them memorize the syntax, but to enhance theirproblem solving. Since na-practice ako sa school ngpagpprogram, I find it easier to develop a system kahitanong technology gamitin kasi na-practice na ako samag-analyze ng process tsaka kung pano siya ieexecute. :)
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Rodelio Barcenas Yup, marami na kayo nag sabi niyan...thanks for the inputs, I have now more than enough reasonto scrutinize the contents of the programming and algorithms
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Aletheia Maclang Onga sir eh, nung nasa college ako...hirap na hirap ako sa programming... pero ngayon,naninibago ako... kapag tinatanong nila ako kung nahihirapanba ako.. para sakin, parang hindi naman.. nagtatagal langako sa paghanap kung ano yung tamang syntax.. hahaha...:P
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Jerome Bassig w3schools.com, solve ka na aleth, perosympre It still lies on the process flow that you want in you'reoutput.. Kasi minsan pansin ko din, tama naman ung code, unnga lang mali ung output..
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Giovanni Petrache mas mahirap gumawa ng system kapaghindi clear yung requirements ng client....- i regularly encounter this problem cause of languagebarrier(talking to a french project manager who doesn'tspeaks english that well). there are tickets assigned to methat has no specs, and there are also bugs needed to be fixbut no explanation why it is a bug. what i do is, keep askingquestions till i understand the requirement and document itand show it to him. we really cant rely on client in making thedocumentation so we have to do it on our own.
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Aletheia Maclang @Iyoy: kaya nga.. hehehe.. :) dapatmaexercise yung pag-create nila ng process... hindi sila dapatmagrely sa syntax.. :P hehehe... mas mahalaga yungprocess flow. :P
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Aletheia Maclang @Giovanni: I agree... usually I keep onsending e-mails to the client to confirm kung yun yungtalagang gusto nilang ipagawa.. kasi kapag nagpabago bagosila ng requirements, tapos wala kang document/proof namaipapakita na iba yung pinag-usapan niyo... lagot ka..hahha
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Christian Tan | Mine's SAP-ABAP.Thursday at 11:15pm · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas Any inputs re ABAP?What is it? a database? SQL? or Other?
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Rodelio Barcenas Medyo mahal ang SAP but I think thereis a work around... Meron nag punta dito from fast tracksolutions and gave me the framework of SAP. I think thereason why it will be harder for a grad to participate isbecause of the many jargons in business operations.
I'm planning to introduce thishttp://www.weberp.org/WeberpFeaturesThis can be adapted by accounting, finit and MIS
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Bitoy Mitra Since SAP is expensive why not for Sharepoint?hehe
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Christian Tan | ABAP is the programming language of SAP.It says that the syntax is similar to COBOL (I have no ideasince I do not know COBOL) but for me, it has its similaritieswith C, PHP and JAVA.
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Rodelio Barcenas If that is a cobol language... we caninsert it in the electives.Meron Open Cobol sa linux... which uses the same syntax asthe real COBOL
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Rodelio Barcenas tama ba? COBOL is commonly used inold banks? i.e. BPI
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Carlo Arcilla I just wanted to note that maybe it wouldtremendously help the department if they will beretrofitting/reorganizing the curriculum based on the current trends.Most of us found ourselves in a middle of a jungle when we 1st set outto work.Thursday at 11:14pm · Comment · Like · Flag
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Carlo Arcilla We will be more than happy to supply you withinputs or maybe even personal work experiences so thatfuture alumni can arm themselves better after graduating.
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Rodelio Barcenas Please be specific. Thanks for theinputs...
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Carlo Arcilla We are currently involved in SAP practice andbased on my experience so far, our curriculum was based onan idea that students should be well equipped on all aspectsof technology within the scopes of IT. But I believe thatmaybe being a sort of "jack of all trades" makes us "aces ofnone." so maybe a little focus or maybe having a major in aparticular technology can greatly benefit to the student'smastery of that practice.
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Rodelio Barcenas OK. copy... our current free elective isnot really free elective... offering a large range topics canhelp students choose their specializations... what do youthink?
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Christian Tan | I agree with James. For me, the wholeLinux mania didn't help at all. We were made to believe thatwe have the "edge" if we know Linux. I believe thecurriculum should focus more on what's REALLY out there inthe industry the likes of SAP, Oracle, Cisco -> knowing thesesystems will really give you a headstart in playing the game.
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Christian Tan | One more thing, since it is I.T., we shouldgive more focus in programming since that's what we'reexpected to do when employers learn that we graduatedfrom that degree. Put the other subjects aside or atleast givelittle emphasis on them. C, Java, PHP - the students need todevelop the art of analysis, logical thinking and programming.Just my 2 cents.
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Carlo Arcilla That's a start sir. I was thinking the samething. Actually, issue samin yan back then. We hope that byraising this issue, a proper elective system can finally beestablished.
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Rodelio Barcenas Copy... Oracle ---> done Sir Alvin isdoing a great job now by integrating more DB in advance DBsubject;Nagawan na niya yung Oracle but not implemented yet...May plans din POSTGRE to be included.
Sir Rico is now introducing more inputs coming from CISCO.Malayo na rin yung nadagdag niya. Baka may particularrequirements from CISCO?
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Rodelio Barcenas @CHI I agree on the analysis, logical
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thinking. It will always matter a lot. Pag marunong ka niyan,any programming language madali na lang... Technologyshould just be the icing in the cake.This would mean teachers handling subjects in the loweryears should have a real good curriculum...Enjoy ako dito sa inputs ninyo... mababasa naman nila ito....thanks
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Christian Tan | Exactly Sir. Analysis and Logical thinkingare the keys. Programming language won't matter once youmaster the keys. Which brings me to my point, spend moretime on programming not on arts, psychology et al. And whatreally gave me a problem back then in college wasremembering the lessons discussed - I hope mabago yungschedule. Make the major subjects (programming) run 3x aweek. Atleast 2 hours a day. Hasahin sila ng mabuti. Lunurinsila sa programming. It is true that practice makes perfect.
More lab time. More exercises. Just to share, I learnedprogramming by using pen and paper only. Mahirap at firstpero when I switched into doing it on the computer, piece ofcake.
And please, NO MORE TAKE HOME QUIZZES/EXAMS.
Kudos to you Sir and the whole IT Department. I wish I wasable to experience Oracle and Cisco din. Mabenta saemployer kasi when they see those in your resume.
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Rodelio Barcenas yup... same here... technology is just anicing on the cake
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Bitoy Mitra ok sana kung maka experience ng .NET angstudents since a lot of big enterprises uses this one mahal ngalang.
.NET / SAP / Oracle would really make someone marketable.
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George Averilla WAN based technology from Cisco and IPtelephony sir Rodel. Also worked on internal knowledgedatabase for our team using PHP and MySQL to manage miscellaneousbut important client/customer information and files.Thursday at 11:07pm · Comment · Like · Flag
Rodelio Barcenas Copy.. We have Sir Rico now focusing onCISCO, sayang nung time niyo wala pa siya sa atin. Thanksfor the input... It really helps
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Rodelio Barcenas @ IP Telephony, I think we can add thisactivity in our current advance datacomms... something likeasterisk?yun nga lang we can only use soft phones. Mahal kasi yungtelephone cards... OK ba yun?
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Rodelio Barcenas What about yung sa PHP? Currently weare introducing Frameworks like Code Igniter, movingtowards PHP Cake? Yung Zend Framework medyo madugo
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George Averilla Yup mahal lang talaga ang IP telephonydevices and related software to manage it. Yung sa PHP sirnothing in advance...basic lang talaga siya for MACD of data.Gusto ko nga sermunan yung gumawa nung database naminsa work...lagi ko quote sa mga workmate ko na kung andunkayo malamang nasabon niyo na yun...basic database Chat (Offline)
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programming lang sablay-sablay na panu pa kaya kungnaging relational type na...tsk tsk...
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Rodelio Barcenas OK. Pansin ko rin even our currentstudents sablay ang DB Design... Medyo squeeze a littlesiguro yung mga nagtuturo... more training sa faculty
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George Averilla Sir like you said noon...no sense inadvancing to any technology if you have not understood byheart its basic fundamentals.
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Giovanni Petrache @sir barcenas: if mahal ung devices,why not make DIY devices. like reverse engineering andinnovate. make something more cheaper(which the chineseare good at - i.e. china cheapo phones). i guess by makingour own devices we would able to learn more..
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Rodelio Barcenas good input yan... nakalimutan ko ngapala... bosconian trait yan... improvise
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Mikki Robiso Sir add na rin po natin yung simulated routingprotocols like EIGRP, OSPF and BGP. Also familiarisation onLayer 7 capable firewall technologies like Untangle orPFSense.
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Rodelio Barcenas copy... Layer 7 routing... a good one
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Rodelio Barcenas Share us your experiences on your firstJob. Was the program able to make you competetive in theworkplace? Please share some suggestions here.Thursday at 10:51pm · Comment · Like · Flag
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