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PETER OSBORNE & ERIC ALLIEZ
Philosophy andContemporary Art After
Adorno and Deleuze:An Exchange
Peter Osborne: I cannot begin without saying something about these
two cartoons. Eric and I are confronted here with visual parodies of our
assumed masters, so it seems as if it is incumbent upon us to define
ourselves in relation to them. Adorno is looking decidedly anxious, and
one wonders whats going on beneath the table. Whereas Deleuze is very
relaxed, he hasnt a care in the world. This puts me at an immediate disad-
vantage being associated with this anxious, rather guilty figure. What
is he so anxious about?
Perhaps it is the fate of his tradition.
It would be misleading to reduce the kinds of things that Eric and
I are currently writing about art to representations of these two dead
cartoon figures. Nor should it be assumed that the ways in which we
understand these two philosophers are necessarily very close to the
standard pictures of them, particularly in the Anglo-American litera-
ture, which has a tendency to import French and German philosophers,
academic-industrially, as brand names, to identify them with one or two
key thoughts, and then to market them in that way, endlessly repeating
the same few formulae, until their untruth is transparent. Nonetheless, my
thinking about art has certainly been formed in the context of the British
reception of the Frankfurt School in the late 1970s and early 1980s, so I
will begin by saying something about that, and Adorno in particular.When people talk about the Frankfurt School nowadays theres
a tendency for them to be thinking of Habermas, as if he still has some-
thing to do with it. However, the historical presuppositions about critical
theory which underlie most of what I write are, first, that the Benjamin-
Adorno line of thought is critically primary, and second, that this tradition
ends in or around 1968. Habermas belonged to it when he was young, but
from 1968 onwards Habermas can no longer be associated with critical
theory in its classical sense. This is for both philosophical and political rea-
sons, but its primarily politically determined: Adorno was unable to come
to terms with student radicalism and Habermas famously denounced the
left of the German student movement as fascist. So 1968 is a very impor-tant moment for both of the traditions we are going to talk about today.
Obviously, it is vi tal to the way that Eric understands Deleuze 1968 is
very much the beginning of something in the French tradition. But for me,
1968 is the endof the indigenous form of the German critical tradition,
because it was a tradition that could not deal with the radicalism of 1968,
it could not incorporate i t into its thought with the notable exception
of Marcuse, perhaps, but there are complications even there. (By 1968
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was but a passing fad within the self-misrecognition of this Modernism
a reified hypertrophy of one of its historical specifications, like all individu-
al Modernisms, to which this kind of misrecognition has hitherto been
endemic. Now, if the broader coordinates of this tradition (dialectical
reason) enter into crisis in 1968, for essentially political reasons, that is
the time at which the great canon of early-twentieth-century Modernism
is running into the ground as well. Its not the end of Modernism, at least
not for me, but it is the end of a certain Modernism, a certain hegemonic
Modernism, of which Greenbergian Modernism is the paradigmatic
representative in the visual arts. This was also the period of the collapse
of the plausibility of writing about art on the basis of the historical impor-
tance of just a few great artists (Schnberg, Beckett). So there is a multi-
ple break here, in the artistic field, coeval with the political break of 1968.
This is the second thing of importance about Adorno, I think: he
recognised this break although he was not able to understand it other
than negatively. This is perhaps one of the things that Eric and I are going
to disagree about: the artistic significance of this break. I think that there
is a break in the mid-1960s that is artistic as well as political. At the end of
the 1980s, my project became to mediateAesthetic Theory with the history
of contemporary art since the 1960s. This involves rethinking this break
dialectically, in positive as well as negative terms in terms of the produc-tion of new critical concepts and new forms of art. How does the frame-
work ofAesthetic Theory have to change in order to be able to think art
since the 1960s, on the assumption that there is some kind of a rupture or
a break in the 1960s? In some way in the course of the 1960s, however one
is going describe it, something happens to the ontology of art, to what art
is, that makes it different from then onwards.
This has something to do with the generic character of art,
post-medium the fact that medium is no longer an ontological category.
You can no longer be an artist by just being a painter. You can struggle
with the question of how to make art using painting, which is
a difficult and productive enterprise, but just being a painter isnt enoughany more to make an artist. In the course of trying to think this field, I
came to the conclusion that of all the complex and overlapping move-
ments within the art of the 1960s, there is a critical privilege to Concep-
tual Art, by vir tue of the fact that its the art through which one is most
clearly able to articulate this ontological break in the character of art.
It is in this is the sense that tI argue that contemporary art is constitu-
tively Post-Conceptual.
Marcuse was no longer exactly indigenous to the German tradition; nor
was 1968 a new beginning in thought even for Marcuse. It was rather
the occasion for an engagement the positive engagement of an existing
structure of thought with a new socio-political reality which, however
admirable and productive in the short term, did not give rise to a new
theoretical or practical project.)
So, the immediate problem for anybody coming out of the trad-
ition of German critical theory today, philosophically, in relation to politics
or to art theory, is: how can one extend it, develop it and rethink it after
1968 especially if, like me, you believe that Habermas after 1968 is essen-
tially a philosophical version of the Marshall Plan? (It has been Habermass
historical role to introduce American pragmatism into German philoso-
phy, and thereby to domesticate or accommodate its critical tradition to
the post-war consensus of US hegemony.)
There are two things to note about Adornos later work in this
context. The first is that it is largely an attempt to think the post-war
significance of Walter Benjamins thought. In many ways, Adorno is a
rewriting and a rethinking of Benjamin for the post-war period. What
that means in relation to art is that it involves the mediation of Benjamins
thought with the subsequent history of Modernism. For me, the best way
to readAesthetic Theory (which I take to be the most important philosophi-cal work about art written in the twentieth century) is basically as a massive
mediation of Benjamins philosophy with the history of (a musically inflect-
ed) Modernism. Adornos Modernism is also literary, of course, and by the
1960s hes beginning to think about visual art, particularly in the essays
about the convergence and collapse of distinctions between the arts. In
those late essays, his thought begins to resonate with some of the distinc-
tive issues of the post-medium condition of contemporary art. But its
only very late, in the mid-1960s, that he picks up on a sense that medium
is no longer a basic category in the philosophy of art, or rather that
medium is no longer of ontological significance (although he would never
have put it like that of course, given his anti-Heideggerian aversion to theterm ontology).
For me, Adorno represents the project of mediating the trans-
disciplinary post-Kantianism of Benjamins thought with the history of
Modernism, where Modernism is meant in a very broad temporal
sense not in a periodising sense, but in the more basic sense of the tradi-
tion of the new. Modernism is a certain temporal logic of negation. As
such, Modernism carries on. From this point of view, Postmodernism
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this problematic point of view then, I want immediately to pay homage
to Peter Osborne for his sharp and open re-presentation of his trajectory,
and to express my real pleasure at being part of this exchange with him.
But I have to add straight away that the disadvantage here is obviously
and paradoxically mine on two levels.
First, because I essentially share the historico-philosophical diag-
nosis he proposes regarding the Frankfurt Schools endin 1968, as well as
the critical distance he introduces, apropos the 1968 break, in relation to
the historical and philosophical forms under which Conceptual Art proper
defined itself. (But, it might be asked, is it possible properly to divorce
the latter from an ontological interrogation of the specific inaesthetics /
anaesthetics it pretended to develop? I appreciate the impropercharac-
ter of Peters post-conceptual affirmation despite a certain souvenirof
the Lyotardian operation, the motto of which became the Rewriting of
Modernity / Postmodernity: the Post-Modern as always already implied in
the Modern, as its excessive truth, etc.). Consequently, Peter has already
appropriated for himself criticisms I could have developed with regards
to the double tradition he is supposed to belong to. And indeed he does
even better, since his thinking begins from this self-critical axis, focusing his
analysis on the contemporary art that opened up after the 1968 break.
This is my second disadvantage and a highly paradoxical one,if we think about the contrast between the anxious Adorno, the fate
of whose tradition is to end in 1968, and the relaxed Deleuze, whose
philosophy starts over again from 1968 and the subsequent works with
Guattari. A paradox perhaps hinted at by Peter with his mischievous
remark: Deleuze hasnt a care in the world. The issue here is not at all
concerned with the refutation of the re-presentation of Deleuzian thought
as leading us Out of this World (such counter-argumentation would
anyway fall outside the context of the present exchange, since this is not,
I think, exactly Peters position); it is rather how to confront the paradox
determined by the suggestion that the 1968 philosophy par excellence(the
Deleuzian translation of a biophilosophy into a biopolitics, as assembled[agence] between Deleuze and Guattari) hasnt a care in the (contemporary)
art world. Indeed, fromAnti-dipus toA Thousand Plateaus, from Francis
Bacon (the very next book published by Deleuze alone afterA Thousand
Plateaus) to the chapter on art in What is Philosophy?(co-signed with Guat-
tari), there is no immediate trace of a direct investigation into so-called
contemporary art. When the question does emerge explicitly, despite
everything, at the very end of that chapter where art is analysed qua
The problem and well come on to this in more detail later
on, and Im sure well have different views about it is that the historical
difficulty for criticism about conceptual art, and the critical difficulty in
articulating and imposing the idea that contemporary art is constitutively
Post-Conceptual, is that as a historical movement Conceptual Art was
constituted by a philosophical misunderstanding of itself. It was constituted
through an absolutisation of an opposition between concept and aesthetic,
and it pursued the programme of the absolutisation of the anti-aesthetic.
There are a variety of forms of this, the best-known being the Kosuth-
ian version of the reduction of art to propositional form. But there are a
number of different versions of that. One of the critical tasks Ive been try-
ing to undertake in different contexts is to articulate how and in what way
it is that Conceptual Art is this critically privileged moment.
But to disengage the critical understanding of Conceptual Art
from its self-understanding in the writings of people like Kosuth is actu-
ally quite a difficult thing to do, and its because of that that I think it
clearer to call contemporary art Post-Conceptual. The problem with this,
however, is that it might lead people to think that I mean Conceptual Art
was indeed what it thought it was, but now theres something else, which
simply comes after it. I dont mean that. Its a philosophically difficult thing
to say, but ontologically theres a sense in which Conceptual Art is itselfPost-Conceptual. Ontologically, what Conceptual Art did was inaugurate
contemporary art as Post-Conceptual art. But if it did that, the question
is, well then, where is the Conceptual Art, proper? The properly (or as
I would say, strong) Conceptual Art was the philosophical illusion carried
by the self-understanding of the movement of Conceptual Art. So Concep-
tual Art is a fantasy of the critical discourse of a Conceptual Art that was
always already Post-Conceptual, relative to this fantasy.
Maybe this is a good time to let Eric in.
* * *
Eric Alliez: Deleuze oblige, philosophically, I dont really believe in discus-
sion. This is because the natural dialectics of discussion rarely give birth
to dialogues. And I dont say a dialogue, but rather dialogues, accentuating
a plural that could free a play of non- identified multiplicities un jeu de et
entre multiplicits insofar as the two supposed interlocutors are able to
project newinterventions only from and through a hyper-problematisation
of their respective positions in a constitutive relation to the present. From
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I proposed, as an interesting provocation, to submit to this question of
sensation (Every / any sensation is a question, say Deleuze and Guattari)
the supposedly classical sequence of modern art (from Delacroix to
Czanne) in order to show how it has been historically (un-)determined by
a new concept of sensation whose reality condition in terms of new percepts
and affects as well as in terms of percepts and affects of the new itself is
commonly named hallucination. The hallucination identifies itself with the
productive differential force that constructs those operations without which
there would be no expression of the excess of the visible in a logic of sensa-
tion. What I called the Eye-Brain refers to this construction of the sensible
that depends strictly on a denaturalisation and cerebralisation of the gaze,
and which already signifies, through a critical and clinical problematisation
of the very notion of the art-image, a kind of multi-media confrontation and
de-naturation of the painting-form (Manet and Seurat are the major vectors
of this process). In relation to Deleuze, it has been stimulating to practice
in the field of the history of modern art the kind of operations and mise-en-
variations he undertook in relation to the history of philosophy. My goal was
a radicalisation of Deleuzes anti-phenomenological standards (which makes
him say that Presence is an all too pious category), through an examina-
tion of the conceptual components of a plastic thought which, despite com-
ing from outside the concept, captures some of its discursiveand non-discursive forces
By introducing Matisse a new Matisse, with and against
Duchamp into the game, I attempted, as a necessary provocation in
relation to contemporary art, to complexify its archaeology while aiming
for the most radical critique of the aesthetic frame of the painting-image-
form. The question was how to project the vitalist constructivism at stake
in the Deleuzo-Guattarian aisthesic into a historical becoming (Peter would
say a mediation) that could incorporate a critical alternative to the
Duchampian dematerialisation of the art-form reduced to language games
about art in a constructivism of the signifier (the historical nominalist
Duchamp). This was what I called, following the Nietzscheo-Bergsonismwhich (historically and ontologically) gave birth to Fauvism, Matisse-
Thought: an energetic constructivism experimenting with an environmen-
tal decorativity which, in its expansion beyond the site of architecture qua
the first of the arts (Dewey, Deleuze & Guattari), invests the life-space.
Now, one doesnt pass from the last of Matisses installations to,
for example, Gordon Matta-Clarks anarchitecture by an intensification
of the problematics of art and life at the exclusive level of an immanent
a pragmatic experiment with blocs of sensation which seeks to rediscover,
to restore the infinite it is in terms uncompromisingly critical of the
dematerialisation proposed by Conceptual Art and its doxicrematerialisa-
tion in judgements about what is to count as art (a formal game au nom
de lart). In a way, beyond my agreement with this critique, Im tempted
to deduce my whole research programme of the last ten years from a
confrontation with this apparently wholly anachronistic position in which
Romanticism would be taken (quite logically) to be the last (strong) condi-
tion to redeem Modernism. After Deleuze and Guattari, my hypothesis
reads on the contrary: neither(Romanticism) nor(Modernism), precisely
because the question is howto extend intensively and experimentally the
affirmation of a politics of sensation that would undo the most common
conceptual representations of contemporary art. As we know, contem-
porary art is 1) in general, exclusively focused on the Duchampian legacy,
and 2) radically cut off from the long duration of Modernity because the
latter has been de facto abandoned to the modernist / mediumnic teleology
of aesthetic form (with so-called Postmodernism as the most banal version
of this reduction of Modernity to Modernism).
Before pursuing this last point, a methodological remark that
may approximate Peters own: with regard to Deleuze, Deleuze &
Guattari, or Guattari, my approach is not exegetic but constructiveand pro-spective, meaning that this corpus is not itself the object of my
investigation but rather its modulable instrument and horizon a horizon
which does not exclude air pockets and hijackings. It is then precisely not
my intention here to play the role of superior Deleuzian, the one who
would follow for real the lessons of the Master (never writing about
but always in between and with, giving primacy to the use or practice
of thought rather than to describing its exercise, etc.). The aim is rather
to enact constructively a constructivist philosophy that does not cease to
think in terms offorces and not offorms (this, in parenthesis, is the very
first principle of the Deleuzian diversion of the history of philosophy), which
intends to reinvent the knot (nouage) between philosophy and art startingfrom the constitutive relationship between force and sensation, and which
thus figures art as an experimental assemblage of force and sensation
whose deforming logic(a logic of sensation) is vitally aisthesicrather than
aesthetic. (In the visual arts, to put it briefly, I understand by aesthetics,
by the aesthetic image of art, the celebration of the art-form under
the pureform of an image which is ideally reflexive with regard to its
own medium.)
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sensation, but as a constellation of determinate, institutionalisedoppositions,
of conceptual as well as affective significance.
In Britain, art-theoretical Deleuzianism offers a retrospective (intel-
lectual) legitimation of a period of anti-intellectualism in British art since the
late 1980s, and a re-legitimation of certain existential notions
of the artist (Bacon is a really unfortunate paradigm here), via affirmative
categories of affect and force, which are obviously also not unconnected to
the booming market in contemporary art. This is not a comfortable con-
junction and it is unquestionably connected to the valoration of painting. It
is certainly dialectically witty to invest a rethought painting with the force
of life, against what Eric calls art-Form, but I am not sure it is convincing;
not only in practice because one cannot find paintings that exhibit such
force, today, in the context of our cultural present but also theoretically,
because the manoeuvre looks too much like an inverted version of precisely
that kind of play with the signifier painting which you find, and oppose so
strongly, in the historical Duchamp.
For me all of this is connected to a more general phenomenon,
which goes well beyond Deleuze: a certain cultural conservatism that is the
other side of the philosophical and political radicalism of contemporary
French philosophy, or French philosophy after 1968 which would be a
better way of putting it. This is partly to do with philosophy as an institu-tionalised field (which is a trans-national phenomenon), but it is also some-
thing specific to French intellectual life, something to do with the way its
wedded to its national narrative. In art, the moment that mattered was that
moment in the history of painting from the post-revolutionary period at the
beginning of the nineteenth century through to late Matisse. One can see
Deleuze, and in a different way, Erics work, as an attempt to extend and
rewrite rather than destroy that tradition. The dilemma for that tradition
was: where was the French painter of the 1950s who could continue the tra-
dition? That was the moment of Existentialism, so where is the French Exis-
tential painter? There is no French Existential painter (Giaccometis sculpture
is a weak stand-in), so Bacon is given naturalisation papers. Bacon becomes
the great missing French Existential painter. This fits, but its a narrowly na-
tional narrative, extended in competition with another national narrative: the
US narrative, the Greenbergian narrative, which said art could be French (art
could be painting and painting could be French), but only until World War II,
and then it was going to be American. Theres a sense in which French critical
discourse has accepted this narrative by continuing to fixate on its own great
moment, through the nineteenth century to World War II.
becoming of art . To invest the powers of sensation politically in a totally
new practical and theoretical sense of this word requires a direct and
general social expansion of all the matters of expression of art. This 1968
motto, politics of sensation which perhaps expresses 1968 tout court,its
force as event pro-poses art as a sensational problematisation of the
relationships between construction and expression whose first ontologi-
cal effect is to disorganise the whole system of sensible evidence and
discursive recognition in relation to the new forces of subjectivation it
mobilises This is where Deleuze does not proceed without Guattari.
* * *
PO Let me say a couple of things in response to that: first, aboutDeleuze, Deleuzianism and the aesthetic, and second, about some of the
more general philosophical issues. There is a problem in the current Anglo-
American reception of Deleuze into art theory, which is not reducible to,
but which is nonetheless not unrelated to, the structure of Deleuzes
thought. This is that the distinction between Deleuzes notions of affect and
force, on the one hand, and something like aesthetic, on the other hand,
is subordinated to their mutual opposition to the realm of the conceptu-
al at least with regards to the way in which that opposition is constructedin What is Philosophy? This homology makes Deleuzes affect/ force appear
as (because it takes the structural place of) a recoding of aesthetic. And
this appearance is no mere appearance, since it is precisely sensation that is
at issue. It is reinforced by the fact that the other main text at issue here,
the text on art, is the text on Bacon: lets not forget that the logic
of sensation is the logic of paintings by Francis Bacon. As a result, Deleuz-
ianism in contemporary Anglo-American art theory fits perfectly into the
current trend towards a restitution of aesthetics philosophically, art-histor-
ically and art-critically. Indeed, it is the perfect medium for a disavowed
restitution of aesthetics, which presents itself as its opposite, namely some-
thing radically new, something contemporary at least theoretically (in the
domain of theory). It has greater difficulty doing this in relation to art
practice itself, but then theory functions here, increasingly, as a terminologi-
cal mask for practices to which it has very little actual relations. Deleuzian-
ism offers another way of not having to talk about the things people have
been finding difficulty talking about for the last ten or twenty years: critical-
ity in art , in particular, but also the artistic specificity and peculiarity of the
development of the art / non-art relation not within a generalised field of
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through processes of opposition, conflict and struggle that can be
conceptually represented, summarised, in terms of the idea of constitutive
negation. So, if we take your own example of the environmental dimension
of Matisses later painting practice: for me, its initial or first critical
meaning derives from its negation of the canvas, its negation of the limits
of the canvas in your terms, the limits of the prevailing painting-form.
And it is hard for you to avoid presenting it like that yourself. As soon as
you question something historically, you set up the question of its meaning
and value in terms of temporal relations, and you understand it relation-
ally principally via negation. But the determinacy of such negations does
not derive wholly from what is negated, the determinacy is in the rela-
tions, and hence in the relational aspect of its positive, material which
also means its aesthetic / sensational features. To understand it in purely
positive ontological terms as a becoming opposed to (rather than constitu-
tive of) history, insulates it from its own relationality, and mystifies its
becoming, cutting off its construction from any existing relations between
its elements, including its negation of them. I understand modernism as the
collective affirmation of the historical culture of temporal negation. So there
is affirmation here for me too affirmation of and via negation. In my view,
such a culture is pretty much irresistible; it is just a question of how
conceptually self-conscious, and how collective, it is and what it s collec-tives are, of course.
I find a lot to agree with and admire in your critical art-historical
revisionism, but it seems at odds with the parallel post-Nietzschean
discourse of a pure affirmation of forces, affirmation of life. Could there
really be a truly vitalist art history beyond a pure positivism, of course?
Does a vitalist really need a sense of history?
* * *
EA Lets see if I can cut a long story or, more exactly, a counter-
history short, without falling into the usual trap of the discussion-model:
objections, replies to the objections, new objections, etc. In this case, the
first attack is somehow always the good one because it has been launched
from within a totally different problematic which re-codifies and neces-
sarily dis-figures the first position from a superior level. The situation is, if
possible, worse when the difference at stake has been conceived through
a constitutive opposition (and contradiction): the discussion then con-
forms to a dialectical reformatting that forbids from the very beginning
In this respect, Erics work on Matisse is best read as counter to
Greenberg and what Greenbergianism became (with Greenberg no longer
on board) in Minimalism and Conceptual Art. Its a brilliant, perverse prov-
ocation, in all k inds of ways it says that Matisse was already proto-Alan
Kaprow, for example, the inventor of the environmental; and also, more
surprisingly, a Constructivist but it is still a recoding, a wild recoding, of
a body of work and a critical paradigm that belong to the past. Maybe I
am over-playing this point, but personally I think that all these discourses
and practices were destroyed in the 1960s by a multiplicity of different
practices and the different, determinate forms of negation of existing
practices embodied in the new practices. We need to think the field of
contemporary art established during that period in a different and much
more complex way, which can in no way be reduced to Erics attribution
of a general exclusive focus on the Duchampian legacy. The Duchampian
dematerialisation of the art-form reduced to language games about art in
the constructivism of the signifier is by no means the only non-Deleuzian
game in town. Contemporary art is a complex but critically determinate
field, a constellation of negations, which do not submit to philosophical
positions that ignore its history since the beginning of the 1960s.
So there are multiple problems for a proto-Deleuzian art theory,
I think: theres the problem that affect as opposed to concept restoresas much as it rewrites the field of the aesthetic; theres the traditionalism
of the privileging of painting; and because it is France, painting in France,
theres the privileging not just of the past, but a past that has long taken
the form of a national heritage. All this is a long way from the cultural-
political field (not just politics of sensation but also of course sexual
politics and anti-imperialist politics!) established in the wake of 1968.
But perhaps my discourse here is itself too immediately cultural-
political, too forced. There are some basic philosophical issues at stake
here, determining the way we think differently about the ontology of
contemporary art: crudely, post-Hegelian versus post-Nietzschean
thought; dialectical negation versus affirmation, or historical ontology
and judgement versus affirmation/becoming. The opposition is not as
straightforward as it looks those posts carry a complex history of
engagements but it is still a decisive one. One can condense it into a
difference, or a set of differences, about history. For me, history in the
collective singular is the speculative horizon and transcendental condition
of intelligibility of historical events and practices. Ontology is always
historical ontology, dialectical ontology, the production of the new
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the affirmation of a non-dialectical difference, a difference it denatures by
integration into an aufhebung. To get to the heart of the matter in discus-
sion, the issue is not at all one of denying the very notion of opposition
but of affirming, with and afterDeleuze, that it is not difference which
supposes opposition, but opposition, or negation, which supposes constitu-
tive difference. And constitutive difference orconstitutive negation means,
ontologically and politically,becoming before and beyond History (and in no
case without History, and not even opposed to History) orHistory versus
becoming in a more or less sophisticated historicism wherein History
becomes the inner form of the Concept in its dialectical development.
To come back, as simply as possible,to my example of the environmental
dimension in Matisse and the reinterpretation you suggest: despite being
a critical threshold, it is not the negation of the canvas which is rigorously
determinant; it is rather the Matissean energetics which displays the quan-
tification of the forces it invests beyond the limits of the canvas. And it is
from this affirmative expansion that there follows not only the negation
of the canvas-frame, but, after all, a quantitative and processual alterna-
tive to the historical framing through which the painting-form maintained
its aesthetic identity: that museal optics of quality whose common name
is pictorialism. This is not at all Matisse-en-France; this is the American
Matisse already celebrated by Dewey in the 1930s (as an alternative tothe art-form qua Beauty Parlour of Civilisation) and rediscovered still in
America and not in France (because of Existentialism plus Stalinism) some
2030 years later by the artists themselves. (It was via America that,
historically, Matisses new environmental paradigm came back to France,
with Viallat, Buren, etc.). It may be pertinent to emphasise at this point the
Deweyan inspiration of Deleuze and Guattari in those crucial passages of
What is Philosophy?where we read that architecture is the first of the arts
because (contrary to the phenomenology of art) art does not begin with
the flesh but with the house; because life becomes constructive with the
house which architectures the sensation while de-territorialising it. What
emerges in this non-Modernist / anti-phenomenological context i s the en-
igmatic formula of a sensation-house a pure non-sense with regards to
the frenchy-existentialist perspective within which you pretend to include
the very notion of sensation, the better to integrate it into a (disavowed)
restoration of aesthetics. (It would be interesting here to investigate the
American and anti-French alterity affirmed by Deleuze for himself:
it goes further than an appeal to the superiority of Anglo-American
literature and it could turn your so-called national narrative into a very
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his elaboration of an actionist painting radicalised by the prison). Finally,
regarding my own perversion of the history of modern and contemporary
art, beyond the 1968 break Peter and I affirm differently, I would say that my
own post-aestheticmotivation has perhaps been to reintroduce some kind of
untimely becoming and conflict into an all-too teleologico-dialectically-
ordered Contemporary History of Art / Non-Art
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PO Yes, I agree with these final four points, at this level of description.This is why I find your project so interesting. I especially agree with the
last two, more general points. But we think them through in rather differ-
ent ways, which have decisively different implications and consequences.
Let me quickly go back to the question of affirmation, negation
and criticism, because there is more common ground here than has ap-
peared so far, and it is on this common ground that we dif fer we inhabit
it in different ways, but in certain respects we are addressing the same
problems. Its the development and transformation of the problems that
matter; the positions are successful to the extent to which they do that:
generate new problems, or reconfigure the existing problematic. The thing
about Frankfurt critical theory after 1968 was that it stopped doing that.It became reactive. It retreated to defending / repeating positions in a way
that didnt develop its problematic sufficiently, in relation to new forms of
social experience. That is its fundamental weakness. Nonetheless, in my
view, it has the conceptual resources to do it. To prove this, one has to get
on and actually do it.
Let me start with the dialectical reformatting that forbids from
the very beginning the affirmation of non-dialectical difference, the dif-
ference it denatures by integration into an aufhebung Of course, this is
the standard criticism ofHegelian dialectic: ultimate regression to iden-
tity, identity thinking. Adorno would agree, completely. The question
is: what of the various post-Hegelian dialectical forms, developed on the
basis of this criticism Marx, Benjamin and Adorno, in particular? These
are precisely dialectical forms that do not forbid from the very beginning
the affirmation of non-dialectical difference. Rather, they acknowledge
non-dialectical difference as both the basis and limit of the dialectic of
concepts (they call this materialism), and reflect upon its consequences
for the status and uses of dialectical thought in diverse ways. It is inter-
esting, in this respect, that in continuing with the example of the environ-
British over-play between Art and Language.)
A few words, some formulas, about this complex notion of sensa-
tion which depends precisely, ontologically, on the concept of intensive
difference as genesis of the sensible, through which a differential, a dif-
ference of potential, can be extracted from the genesis of the sensation.
The definition of art as a bloc of sensations signifies nothing other than
the construction of an alterity in a matter of expression (Hjemslev). It
happens, following Deleuze and Guattari, that art will be more and more
invested in a (trans-media, following Guattari) power of deframing because
the material passes into sensation (rather than sensation being realisedin thematerial). In this process, as I understand it, the question of the prob-
lematisation of the concept of sensation becomes so determinant that the
sensation may appear operatively for what it is ontologically and non-
aesthetically in relation to contemporary art: as its reality condition in
the constitutive relationship with the becoming-other of an intensive body
which can no longer recognise itself in any kind of corps propre, as well as
the post-philosophical projection in the field of art of a kind of sensuous
heterogenesis of the concept itself in its non-propositional condition. For
sure, this last statement is less Post-Conceptual than Post-Structuralist.
Or, better, Anti-Structuralist in the way it affirms the negation of the
linguistic turn in its strong (Neo-Positivist) or weak version (the conversa-tional community democratising the name of art).
As for my wild recoding of a body of work and a critical paradigm
that belongs to the past, a recoding allegedly designed to maintain a
Deleuzian-conservative valorisation of painting. First, I think that, essen-
tially, Deleuze did with painting what he did with literature: an absolute
deformation of its modernist-formalist motto. Secondly, I dont think that
painting (or Bacon, i.e. Deleuzes Bacon, who is the pretext for a forcedre-
presentation of the history of painting) has in itself an exclusive and para-
digmatic function of exemplifying Deleuzian philosophy (constitutively, such
a function would more naturally belong to his work on cinema, conceived
as an Anti-Structuralist and machinicwar machine that distributes itself
in the historico-ontological caesura between movement-image and time-
image, after World War II). Thirdly, apart from the fact that a post- or
trans-media use of painting is currently practised in many interesting ways,
painting, far from being necessarily regressive, can form part of strategic
dispositifs which tend to hystericise the all too uncritical and fashionable state-
of-affairs in contemporary art (see, for example, Mhls return to painting
in the 1970s against the Happenings he denounces as bourgeois theatre, and
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mentally (ontologically?) non-conceptual. This is what I contest. For me,
fundamentally and in increasingly complex ways, art has both conceptual
and non-conceptual aspects; and its conceptual aspects cannot be linguis-
tically reduced. It is the critical virtue of the episode called Conceptual Art
to have clarified this and reaffirmed it, despite its own initial intentions. At
one level, this is a fairly minimal (and to art historians, entirely unsurpris-
ing) claim. It gains its leverage from the peculiar rush to deny it.
The best way to discuss our differences that is, the differences
between a (broadly, post-)Adornian and a (broadly, post-)Deleuzian
perspective over how to understand ar tssensuous heterogenesis of theconcept in its non-propositional condition is probably via the idea of con-
struction. Construction is a common term between these two traditions.
Construction is also what, for me, decisively distinguishes Erics thinking
from pop Deleuzianism and its crudely naturalistic vitalism: a constant
insistence on construction the construction of assemblages, the construc-
tion of forces, and the relation of construction to expression. The rela-
tion of construction to expression is also the central moment, the central
dialectic of twentieth-century art in Adornos oxymoronically entitled
Aesthetic Theory. (Unfortunately, Adorno did not progress far beyond an
acute self-consciousness of this oxymoron; he struggled unsuccessfully and
often unconsciously with the distinction between art and aesthetic.)So, what does construction mean in these two different traditions?
What is associated with construction, and what are the problems that
construction brings? Returning to our role as representatives of cartoons,
I will answer for Adorno. For Adorno, construction is understood, first,
as the generalisation of the principle of montage and second, and conse-
quently, as the main principle, the dominant of the two principles, which
govern the production of ar t the other one be ing a mimetic-expressive
one. Furthermore, for Adorno, who was following Schnberg here, the
goal of modern art was to bring construction to the point of expression.
Thats a formulation with which Deleuze might well have been happy, I
think, to bring construction to the point of expression. (Perhaps someone
has just said this to him in that cartoon.) It is the principle of construc-
tion (as the generalisation of the principle of montage) that grounds the
distinction between the organic (classical) and the non-organic (early
German Romantic / Modern) work, as a distinction between works with
different structural relations between part and whole. In the organic work,
there is resolution of part or detail into the whole. Classical concepts of
beauty are about different discursivearticulations of that resolution of
mental dimension of Matisse, you accept that its negation of the canvas is
a critical threshold. This is a considerable concession insofar as, for the
post-Hegelian tradition, it is precisely critical meaning (which is always
historico-critical meaning) that is at stake. In apparent contrast, you locate
the basis / determination of this negation / critical threshold in an affirma-
tive expansion of forces beyond the limits of the canvas. Furthermore,
and this is the crucial bit, you affirm this affirmation inits non-dialectical
difference from the negation to which it is presented as giving rise. How-
ever, for me, the affirmative expansion beyond and the negation of are
different aspects of what is actually a single process. There are no groundsfor down-grading the negation to a secondary status, ontologically, when
we are discussing a practice that is, something that is constituted, at least
in part, by social relations; social relations that are themselves constitut-
ed, in part, by recognition, and hence by certain cognitive (that is, concep-
tually mediated) relations.
What is at stake here is the ontological status of thinking (and
re-cognition), in its most extended sense, in human existence: the role of
thinking in mediating the relations between being and doing, or to put it
another way, the role of concepts in constituting the various, infinite ways
of being human. What is at issue between us here is thus not, I think, non-
dialectical difference, but rather its ontological absolutisation as affirma-tion: your philosophical affirmation of affirmation itself as an exhaustive
ontology of the human. But what reasons are there for this philosophical
affirmation of an ontology of affirmation, other than its negation of the
dialectical tradition!
This might seem to have taken us a long way away from Matisse
and the dialectical order versus the non-dialectical disorder of contempo-
rary art (and what of vice versa?: its dialectical disorder and non-dialec-
tical order!), but it is at the heart of how we think them differently. Yet,
at soon as we talk about the field of art (in distinction from something
called painting), we converge onto a kind of sensuous heterogenesis of
the concept itself in its non-propositional condition affirm[ing]the nega-
tion of the linguistic turn in its strong (Neo-Positivist) or weak version
(the conversational community democratising the name of art). For me,
philosophically, this sentence is completely legible within the terms of a
Marxian materialism. Furthermore, art-theoretically (if I have understood
it correctly) it acknowledges the (non-propositional) conceptual aspect
of art albeit, for me confusingly, only in the form of a post-philosophical
projection into the field of art, which thus appears once again as funda-
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introduction of linguistically reductive forms of signification; it was about
installing an infinite plurality and multiplication of materialisations. Dema-
terialisation is a mis-description of the multiplication of materialisations.
Because the work can no longer be identified with a single instantiation,
people thought it might not need instantiating at all (at one point, LeWitt).
This was a confused thought. Within the Post-Conceptual field, there is a
necessary materiality and a necessary plurality a proliferating plurality
of materialisations for any one work of art. There is not a proliferat-
ing multiplicity of materialities for any one painting, of course, because a
painting is materially associated with a single instantiation. That meansthat painting is not a possible form to explore the further development
of this constructive-expressive dialectic of the non-organic work. This has
to do with the fact that art is a social form.
The socio-spatial experience that corresponds to the painting of
the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries is the room, the bourgeois
interior. The public gallery was an attempt to render public this private
space. The people who inhabit that space have certain forms of delimited
social experience; they dont travel very much, they dont travel very often,
the number of their social interactions is restricted by their place of resi-
dence the countryside or the city. Today, the spatial form of communica-
tive experiences is completely different: its not limited by buildings and ob-jects; its a non-place. An art of objects in buildings is an art that belongs
to a world in which people live in places and are defined by the places in
which they lived. The subjects of contemporary capitalist societies are not
these kinds of subjects. And the spatialisation of their experience, if its to
be rearticulated and constructed and represented by contemporary art,
has to draw on the spatial forms of social experience. Now, you know, we
still go into rooms and we still have relations to objects and, to the extent
that thats the case, then painting and sculpture continue to relate to
those aspects of our social experience, but theyre not the most critically
important or dominant aspects of our social experience.
My question to you is how, from a Deleuzian point of view, a
Deleuzian concept of construction, does one think the problems of con-
struction and the unity of the work? What is the principle of the unity of
a contemporary work of art, conceived under the general-ontological
conditions of intensive differentiation and multiplication?
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part into whole: a unity of the one and the many, which is resolved into
harmony. The point about the non-organic work, on the other hand, is
that the elements of the work are taken from life. They are cut out of life
and put into art (readymade). They have a relative self-sufficiency, which
derives from their origin. The principle of construction is the principle ac-
cording to which you make a whole out of elements that are not organic-
ally or harmoniously related, but which have their own independence. So
the principle of construction is a particular principle of unity, a principle of
wholeness. In the non-organic work, problematically, unity has to be im-
posed on elements that have an inevitable resistance to one another, andhence to unity itself. Unity here has a quasi-conceptual character; it is the
result of an imposition of a concept of unity. There is a tension between
the self-sufficiency of the element and the construction of unity. Mod-
ern art, as non-organic, is governed by a problematic dominance of the
whole over the parts. This is problematic, for Adorno, ultimately, because
it reflects the social domination of instrumental rationality: the principle
of construction is the appearance of the social principle of instrumental
rationality, immanently, within the work of art. Nonetheless, in order to
be critical, the work of art has to be constructive, since for Adorno the
organic work functions affirmatively (in Marcuses bad sense meaning
as an affirmation of existing society). The practical artistic problem is thus:how to negate the bad instrumentality of the unity of the work, imma-
nently, without regressing to an organic unity?
Adornos theorisation of the solution (found practically in Schnberg)
is: via the dialectic of construction and expression by converting con-
struction itself into expression, and vice versa. But this dialectic has to be
constantly reinvented, constantly constructed anew, as transformations in
social experience render the once non-organic work organic (in much the
same way as they destroy Duchamps aesthetic indifference). A particu-
lar period of Modernism becomes classical. The constructive-expressive
dialectic of the part and the whole thus appears today in ways quite
different to those in which it appeared fifty years ago. The main change
is that construction has been free from the constraints of medium (from
which it derived much of its expressive potential) and returned to the more
nominalistic radicalism of its origins in collage. As you will no doubt have
anticipated, I associate this problematic liberation from medium which is
an infinite expansion of the possible elements of construction critically,
and therefore ontologically, with Conceptual Art.
For me, Conceptual Art was not about dematerialisation or the
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EA I confirm: we agree and disagree on the essentials when both of us
tend to generate new problems which reconfigure the existing problem-
atic. This is quite a rare and precious relationship because in general there
is usually either the former orthe latter and the former is not in itself
necessarily more interesting than the latter. Now, if you agree, or / and if
you dont disagree, Id like to start by picking on up some crucial points in
your highly articulated development, and to react to them quite sponta-
neously, to restitute for the audience and for our future readers the noise
that exists between our respective (post-Adornian and post-Deleuzian)
philosophies on the Expression / Construction topic. My answer to yourfinal questions will perhaps then be all-too indirect and direct (i.e. without
mediation) but I cant see any other way to express the dif ficulty of
the dialogue when it is for real.
First then, a crucial point of agreement / disagreement, concern-
ing your critical deconstruction of the Frankfurt Theory after 1968: You
say that it retreated to defending /repeating positions in a way that
didnt develop its problematic sufficiently, in relation to new forms of social
experience, and you add: Nonetheless, in my view, it has the concep-
tual resources to do it. The first thing that occurs to me is that you are
somehow repeatinghere the Adornian criticism of Hegel, when Adorno
explains, afterMarx, that the lack of clart (the word appears in French,in his extraordinary text Skoteinos, Or How to Read) of the Hegelian phi-
losophy would have been determined by the irruption of the historical
dimension, whose ontological truth will call for a negative dialectic. Now,
the question redoubles in intensity here since we are talking about 1968,
whose character as event (absolutely misunderstood by Adorno) pro-
voked Deleuze into re-starting his whole philosophy (in collaboration with
Guattari). To put it differently, and taking a step further: Deleuze needed
very precisely to problematise the philosophical identity of his conceptual
resources in relation to practice (the first traces of the political emergen-
cy of this question lurgence pressante dun besoin, wrote Artaud appear in
Logic of Sense). It will signify a total reorientation of his thought away from
the notion of (constructive) expression and towards the notion of (expres-
sive) construction, which will immediately identify the coextension of the
social with the assemblages (I hate this English translation of agence-
ment!) of desire (with a subsequent practical redefinition of expression,
explicated in Spinoza: Practical Philosophy). But this also implied going
radically beyond Structuralism as the dominant model of an a-historical
contemporary constructivist philosophy (Foucault was fundamental at this
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physiology of art (Nietzsches locution) is the affirmation of the quantita-
tive expression of the relation of forces as reality condition for a non-com-
positional construction that Matisse calls Fauvism. It must be emphasised
here that I am not proposing a retrospectiveover-interpretation of
Matisses energetics: Matisse himself understood his whole trajectory in
this vitalist, constructivist and non-aestheticway.
At this point, I dont really know if thinking is existentially aimed
at the mediation between being and doing, but I do know that modern
thinking has always started and re-started when it has been able to take
into theoretical and practical consideration the effects of transversalityproduced by a new combination of forces, which rarely obeys the recogni-
tion of (social) mediations to become political (i.e. to recover politics as
a causal effect of universality). There is for me a politics of Being which
involves in its process of subjectivation Becoming versus Recognition. What
Deleuze attempted to do, beyond the biophilosophical articulation between
Bergson and Nietzsche, but in a radical Nietzschean acceleration, was to
evaluate thinking in terms of its capacity to do the multiple (the Deleuzo-
Guattarian formula for Construction) in non-imaginary but machiniccon-
nections with the composing forces of the Outside forces that cant be
expressed without assembling and constructing them as a resistant act
to the composed power formations it dis-organises from the very primacy ofthe former. (Before / beyond Foucault and the exclusive-constitutive function
of the relations of power, the agencementqua desire is the collective reality
condition of this rhizomatic expressive-construction.) Far from being any
kind of phenomenological regression there is no longer an outside in a
non-artificial naturalistic sense the Thinking of the Outside means socially
and politically that Power is essentially an apparatus of Capture.
We can now perhaps see the main difference between Adorno
and Deleuze, despite a common non-organic ambition arising from (an
unequal) information from / deformation of life. Driven by a principle of
consistent connections between heterogeneities, following a circulation
of intensities which drives the de-territorialisation always further, the
Multiplicity exceeds the Whole that maintains the principle of unity as its
problem (and I really do understand its fully-conceptual character!), and
consequently maintains the problem of Construction itself in the dialectic
of Spiritualisation,while Expression is fundamentally conceived as the
intuitive mimesis of the non-organic and a-signifying natural through
which the rationality of the art-work will aesthetically affirm itself in its
diametrically contrary. I cant deny that I am here describing the worst
point), criticising its abstract formalism and reversing its a-historicity into
the affirmation of an ontology of becoming that would totally renew the
social experience of history as well as the self-understanding of philosophy
itself. (The Deleuzian provocation concerning Pop-philosophy was one
result of this process.) My question is: what is happening on your side, as
Deleuze affirms that his philosophy was starting again for real, after 1968,
with Guattari? How, after all, do you understand and analyse the histori-
cal failure of negative dialectic in relation to 1968, if its post-Hegelian
and Marxian identity depended on its focus on the historical dimension of
the determined negation? Apparently, the reiterated Adornian affirmationthat difference remains in (a negatively determined) mediation did not help.
Coming back, next, to my admission of a critical threshold in
relation to the Matissean negation (your term; in my book it reads
destruction) of the canvas-form which I understand to follow from the
expansive affirmation of an energetics, and which de-territorialises
absolutely the aesthetic framing. I maintain that I am not down-grad-
ing superficially, artificially, or ideologically this negation: despite
the dynamic of a single process there is the creative power (potentia) of
the always singular becoming of the forces effectively mobilised, a becom-
ing which precedes, ontologically and diagrammatically, the history of
forms including those it negates historically in the field of so-calledhistory of art. (With its Duchampian resonance, the Adornian formula
according to which the unity of the history of art is the dialectic figure of
the determined negation is for me simply perfect insofar as it expresses
the necessity of an excess with regards to its dialectic recoding!) If it is
effectively in the name of the forces imprisoned in and by the canvas that
the (environmental) liberation happens with all its social implications
(a new type of physical and mental reality) and the constitutive (and
destitutive) relationship of Ar t with the Outside this liberation depends in
itself on the self-expansion of a combination of forces that can no longer
be reflected through the relationship between matter and form (or in the
synthesis between form and content). Therefore, the Matissean question
is effectively not how to think a new kind of totalisation from within the
historicity of the existing material which would complexify mimetically
and constructively the very notion of form (Adorno), but rather how to
re-start art from an absolute de-territorialisation of aesthetic values in
an abstract-vital machine acting directly in sensation through physically
non-formed matters and semiotically non-formal functions which is to
propose a kind of heterogenesis of sensation itself. Processually, this
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tion of a becoming-concept of space in contemporary art because
it cant be confused with the objects it distributes but will rather be the
real non-thing to be embodied paroxistically in potentialities actualis-
able in new situations. Under our de-territorialised condition, directly
related by contemporary art to space (Peter says non-place), art trans-
materialises the sensuous heterogenesis of the concept of space in the
socially chargedtime of a (performative) construction (and of a sensational
de-construction: Gordon Matta-Clark), to produce a local event from
a-signifying interstices which reintroduce life at the very level of the most
de-territorialised space. A space contemporary art unblocks intensively andreopens accidentally (accidere: what happens). Therefore, it is only through
the non-propositional alterity of the concept it constructs a passage from
the relative deterritorialisation of capital to an absolute deterritorialisa-
tion upon a p lane of immanence expressing the non-philosophical at / as
the heart of philosophy that (contemporary) art can meet (contempo-
rary) philosophy. In this contemporary meeting, what contemporary
means politically is the expression (i.e. experience) of the ontological excess
of (the desiring-machinic-becoming of) productive forces with regard to
(historically sedimented) productive relationships, and the construction of
(and experimentation with) its creative effects of the new (a non-tradi-
tional new) once this excess has been brought back to the sensation ofthe forces of the Outside which un-determines the state-of-affairs socially
imposed upon a brain-body in the distribution of the sensible (creation
versus enlarged re-production of the administered world).
Coming back after this long detour to Peters key affirmation art
has both conceptual and non-conceptual aspects; and its conceptual as-
pects cannot be linguistically reduced though I concur with this assertion
as he develops it post-conceptually against the initial intentions of Concep-
tual Art (its analytic programme), I am still confronted by the problem of
art being defined by a concept which is not defined clearly enough in itself
and in relation to its artistic use to totally eliminate the impression of an
ideational recoding of art qua a dialectical philosophy of art that at its
best simply reasserts conceptually the aesthetic as a necessary element
of the art-work (which would be what shows the failure of the linguistic
turn of Conceptual Ar t). To argue that the concept of art is at stake in the
reflective mediation between aestheticaffects and critical concepts would fall
short from my point of view, since, starting from a post-Deleuzian intensi-
fication of the question of sensation, I propose an alternative answer to a
common contemporary necessity: how to go beyond the aesthetic framing
(romantically outdated) and lowest profile of the Adornian aesthetic theo-
ry (where the post-Hegelian is still Hegelian), the highest being perfectly
formulated by Peter: to bring construction to the point of expression. But
are they absolutely incompatible? Or, better, if the latter formula makes
sense only through the will to dis-integrate the first one after the triumph
of instrumental rationality, who could seriously deny that the correc-
tion inAesthetic Theory of Adornos earlier anti-avant-gardism still betrays
the tribute paid by the very notions of Construction and Expression to
Adornos earlier position? The aesthetic experience may become a proc-
ess integrating the ruins of empirical reality into the art-work by mon-tage, but the montage itself does not contradict (but, insists Adorno, goes
thoroughly into) the aesthetic principle of the objectivity of the form, etc.
All this may have caused Deleuze some amusement when he heard for the
first time the latter Adornian formula And he may even have anticipated
the kind of confusions were trying to disentangle in our discussion!
What Peter calls Adornos theorisation of the solution i.e.
converting construction i tself into expression, and vice versa is, for me,
a superior aporetic answer to the fact that the appearance of the social
principle of instrumental rationality immanently registered by Construc-
tion has been art-historically expressed (in the Modernist tradition) in its
formal definition (as such accepted by Adorno) as the cut offfrom life. Onthe one hand I think that the revindicated dematerialising conceptuality
of strong Conceptual Art inscribes itself as the akm of this tradition, a
tradition it attempted to consolidateanalytically in order to overcome it
dialectically in the propositional form of the art-concept as a kind of truth-
effect of the nascent post- industrial / Postmodern society. On the other
hand, I dont think that the liberation of construction from the (Modernist)
constraints of medium is the exclusive concern of a nominalistic radical-
ism there has been, there is, the energetic alternative to it that I call
Matisse-Thought: a beyond painting, or, beyond the mediumnic instanti-
ated painting-form (the Modernist reduction of painting you systematically
identify with painting as such). The key to its future, crossing the 1968 bor-
der, is that what is at stake is less as is currently said a spatial expansion
of painting than an active investment and problematisation of space itself.
Or, to put it in another way: it is because (extensive) expansion means
(intensively) that spatiality is no longer treated as a (constructed) given
that architecture may be and will be (expressively) interrogated and at-
tacked in its prevalent structures of economic and social power (anarchi-
tecture). As I understand it, the whole process is supported by the sensa-
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cal) presumption of a temporal disjunction between theory and practice.
Dialectical logic expands the conceptual conditions of intelligibility, but
intelligibility is always retrospective ; hence its inevitable non-identical
remainder. All thinking contains a necessary element of ideational recod-
ing, but practice is prospective and has elements of openness, in princi-
ple. Experimentation (in art, life and politics) works on the space of that
openness. So when you speak of the effects of transversality produced
by a new combination of forces rarely obey[ing] social mediations, you
conflate the ontological question of the possibility of the production of the
new with the epistemological question of the intelligibility of the novelty. Inorder to be intelligible, once produced, the effects must be thought in the
totality of their relations (i.e. as mediated). They produce these new rela-
tions, comprehended as mediations; they dont obey them. Furthermore,
these new productions subsequently enter into additional sets of relations,
not possible at the time of their production, which effects what they are.
In Benjaimins terms, the afterlife [Nachleben] of a work of art is retroac-
tively ontologically constitutive. This means that there are things about it
that an understanding of its production cannot grasp, in principle.
Secondly, your memory lets you down on Adornos articulation
of the relationship of the experience of the work of art to philosophy.
Aesthetic experience, as you put it (for me, never the same thing as theexperience of the work of art but thats another matter), should precisely
NOT become philosophy. Rather, in conventional early Romantic fashion,
philosophical criticism completes the work. That is to say, the experience of
art is transformed, immanently, by the philosophical dimension of a second
reflection. For Adorno (as for both Hegel and Benjamin), and I follow them
all here, philosophy is a mode, aspect or structure of experience, which re-
quires the non-philosophical as its material. It has an inherently transdiscipli-
nary productivity. For me, this relates directly to your transversality, which
Deleuzes own late classicism about philosophy effectively negates.
Finally: the meaning of 1968 (something about which Adorno did
not live long enough to have more than immediate views he died in 1969).
The problem for me is that the current historical meaning of 1968, as acultural-political radicalism, appears primarily as a transformation of vari-
ous of the internal dynamics of capitalist societies, rather than as a set of
oppositional potentialities. Its ongoing consumption as a figure or token
of oppositionality itself bears witness to that. For me, Deleuze seems
to have had a practicist or affirmitivist misconception of the practical
meaning of his own ontology precisely because of his identification with
of art through traditional sensibility to an essentially visual experience.
I attempt to do it in such a way that aesthetics need not return in sensa-
tion, in a sensation that would consequently invite conceptual mediation
negatively determined as to quote Peter the principle of the unity of
a contemporary work of art. With regard to what Adorno called the
art-works content of truth, namely that (I quote Adorno from memory)
the true aesthetic experience must become philosophy, or it simply does
not exist wasnt it precisely this post-Romantic identification that De-
leuze wanted to resist with the caesura between sensation and concept? I
recognise for my own part that I am perhaps forcing this dualism but isntit Deleuze himself (with Guattari) who proposes (in What is Philosophy?) an
extraordinary energetics of the concept that follows and capitalises on the
ontological problematisation of the very notion of sensation, launching it
towards an intuition of the sensuous heterogenesis of the concept itself?
And isnt it Deleuze and Guattar i who consider all dualisms as the enemy,
but an entirely necessary enemy, the furniture
we are forever rearranging?
* * *
POWe must conclude, so my response will be brief. First, I mustconfess that the Deleuzian concept of sensation remains obscure to me,
theoretically that is to say, it is insufficiently developed (I would say
determined, in a Hegelian logical sense) to bear the burden placed on it in
your discourse. This lack of determinacy is, of course, part of its point
a marker of its fundamentally ontological character but it prohibits its
productive application to historical material in anything but a positivistic
manner. It is indifferent to the material. I might thrill to the idea of an
absolute de-territorialisation of aesthetic values in an abstract-vital
machine acting directly in sensation through physically non-formed
matters and semiotically non-formal functions, but when I see this pro-
posed as a description of Mattise, it becomes a reductio ad absurdum for
me. Its philosophical radicalism loses all credibility when confronted withthe experience of the art in question, which, for me, requires some mediat-
ing terms between itself and so general a monist ontology.
This ontological conception of philosophy leads to a dual mis-
understanding of the status and structure of philosophical interpretation
in Adornos work which is as influenced by Benjamins version of early
Romanticism as it is by Hegel. In the first place, it misses the (histori-
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problematic(a non-dialectical relationship involving and exercising the
inseparability between concept, percept and affect) and anachronic,because
the crisis of the notion of truth means the crisis of the notion of time (the
untimely character of becoming) when the former attacks the distribu-
tion of the unity of the real between being and thought. To put it in other
terms: if art hystericises philosophy, it does not do so without a becoming-
hysteresis of (the artistic) hysteria which exerts its forces in theory and in
practice in a delayed / afterlife of play. But this all too general proposition
actualises itself in (rare and determinant) cases where the heterogene-
ous temporality of the becoming at stake in the work of art (in its excessto the product of art) and the historical short-circuits it provokes (with
regards to the teleochronology of the art-form) manifest the heterogene-
ous spatiality expanded by these cases. It is through this kind of intensive
confrontation of history / becoming that I configured what I call Matisse-
Thought as a paradigmatic case. It required, dear Peter, many mediating
terms (your term, not mine), upstream (modern art) and downstream
(contemporary art), to preserve (and not to neutralise) its challenge to
philosophy to use a key expression of Deweys in his over-Matissean
book,Art as Experience, omnipresent in the studios of American artists in
the 1940s and 1950s. (This point did not escape the young Harold Rosen-
berg, who will go on to develop reflections in direct resonance with theanti-museal Deweyean aesthetics; nor did it escape Kaprow, refusing as he
did the Dada identification of anti-art to accentuate the importance of an
earlier vitalist-experimental mood.)
Coming back, finally and very briefly, to the 1968 break Peter and
I recognise quite differently, beyond Adornos misunderstandings and to
his death in 1969. I have to say that I dont see any contradiction between
the internal dynamics of capitalist societies that 1968 would embody and
the oppositional potentialities it would empower. In fact, Deleuze refers
to 1968 as a threshold that crystallises the mutations of late capitalism
(which, for him, have to be investigated from the Marxist analysis) andas
an event perceived as intrusion of the pure Real, when the biopolitical
reality-conditions of Communism manifest themselves as this immanentpotential that haunts, and emerges in and through, capitalism. Capitalism
and Schizophrenia. But 1968, for Deleuze, is also a time of aesthetic over-
coming because of the present insufficiency of a mere description of the
new image of thought coming from modern art: despite a declared anti-
Hegelianism, the percepts and affects of art tend to be reduced to the mo-
ments of a concept working at the indeterminate extension of philosophy.
the moment of 1968 as a new beginning. So 1968 is a problem for both
traditions, I think. It was too complex a moment simply to be affirmed.
* * *
EA Before and beyond the insufficiencies of my exposition there is the
inevitablethe inevitable obscurity (skoteinos) of the Deleuzean concept of
sensation whose last philosophicalfunction is to say how concepts refer
to a differential non-conceptual understanding, without which there is no
creation of concepts at all, and whose first artistic function is to show thatthere would be no creation tout court without a sensation embodying the
intensive physical reality of the forces which take hold of thought itself.
Once again, I recognise that this double statement is formally open to an
Adornian transformative reading such as Peter has already put to me as
a critical dialectical truth without which Deleuzean speculative indetermi-
nation would fuel the misunderstanding of philosophy qua conception of
the world (it prepares, a step further on, the idealist gap between the phi-
losophy of art and art-works). This is the Adornian critique of Spinoza and
Nietzsche: the projection into the Absolute of a purely expressive concept
makes a reified thought return in an arbitrary subjective act which denies
the intention to truth of philosophy itself. Art exists to prevent us dying oftruththis Nietzschean proposition affirms at the highest possible level the
difference between Deleuze and Adorno, because, for Adorno, it is truth,
and the dialectical essence of truth, which determines, in a very classically
romantic path, the completion of art by philosophy.
Art, explains Adorno, is the non-intentional manifestation of truth,
while philosophy is the medium of expression whose proper intention is
truth, but there is of course no realtruth outside of the truth of the non-
philosophical as it determines itself in the superior dialectical movement
between (prospective-expressive) practice and (retrospective-constructive)
theory. Hence, the centrality of the aesthetic theory for Adornian philoso-
phy, its aesthetic hard-core as an open totalisation in movement which
informs and transforms the truth-value of philosophy in a paradoxical proc-ess, recognised as such and invested as the dialectical becoming of truth.
At this point, the Deleuzean shift affirms from art the affirmative truth of
the becoming that puts the very notion of truth into crisis, instead of the negative
becoming of truth that tries to save it dialectically. In this sense, any aesthetic
narration will be falsifying with regards to the pretention to totalisation of
the truth and the relationships between art and philosophy will be openly