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A P P E A R A N C E S
The Sole Member: His Honour Judge Peter Smithwick
For the Tribunal: Mrs. Mary Laverty, SCMr. Justin Dillon, SCMr. Dara Hayes, BLMr. Fintan Valentine, BL
Instructed by: Jane McKevitt
Solicitor
For the Commissioner of An Garda Siochana: Mr. Diarmuid McGuinness, SC
Mr. Michael Durack, SCMr. Gareth Baker, BL
Instructed by: Mary CumminsCSSO
For Owen Corrigan: Mr. Jim O'Callaghan, SCMr. Darren Lehane, BL
Instructed by: Fintan Lawlor Lawlor Partners Solicitors
For Leo Colton: Mr. Paul Callan, SCMr. Eamon Coffey, BL
Instructed by: Dermot Lavery Solicitors
For Finbarr Hickey: Fionnuala O'Sullivan, BL
Instructed by: James MacGuill & Co.
For the Attorney General: Ms. Nuala Butler, SCMr. Douglas Clarke, SC
Instructed by: CSSO
For Freddie Scappaticci: Niall Mooney, BLPauline O'Hare
Instructed by: Michael FlaniganSolicitor
For Kevin Fulton: Mr. Neil Rafferty, QC
Instructed by: John McAtamneySolicitor
For Breen Family: Mr. John McBurney
For Buchanan Family/Heather Currie: Ernie Waterworth
McCartan Turkington BreenSolicitors
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THE TRIBUNAL RESUMED ON THE 15TH OF DECEMBER, 2011,
AS FOLLOWS:
CHAIRMAN: Good morning.
MR. HAYES: Good morning, Chairman. I think before the
cross-examination resumes, I think just the room needs to
be cleared so that the witness can be brought back in. So
if the public could leave for a few moments.
(Members of the public then withdrew.)
CHAIRMAN: You are already sworn, so you don't need to be
sworn again.
(Members of the public then returned.)
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KEVIN FULTON CONTINUED TO BE CROSS-EXAMINED BY
MR. O'CALLAGHAN AS FOLLOWS:
MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Morning, Mr. Keeley.
A. Good morning.
Q. Yesterday, Mr. Keeley, I had put to you some of the 1
evidence given by former RUC members about your credibility
and I'd asked you to comment upon their evidence, do you
recall that?
A. I do, yes.
Q. I concluded yesterday by referring you to an RUC witness 2
who goes under the title in this Tribunal of Witness 71, do
you recall that?
A. Witness 71, I do know who Witness 71 is, yes.
Q. I didn't really need you or want you to look at the cipher, 3
but you are aware of Witness 71, isn't that so?
A. Now, the Witness 71 that I have may be a different witness
than the person we were looking at yesterday.
Q. Can I just identify for you, without dealing with the 4
cipher, who Witness 71 is and what evidence he gave. He
gave evidence here last Monday.
A. Yes.
Q. He says that he was in the Drug Squad in Belfast in the RUC 5
in 1996. He says that whilst he was in the Drug Squad, you
literally came in off the street into the police station
and offered information in relation to drug activity in the
Newry area, would that be your recollection?
A. I do know the person, yes, yes.
Q. OK. Witness 71 gave positive evidence about you in terms 6
of your credibility, he was - being blunt with you - one of
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only two RUC officers who did give positive evidence in
respect of your credibility, of those who had met you. I
asked him if he was aware of any incidents where you gave
him inaccurate information?
A. Right.
Q. And he gave me the following response, I just want to read 7
it out to you and then I want to ask you a question on it?
A. Yes.
Q. He says: "If I can give you an example of something?" I 8
said, "Please do." His answer is as follows: "When he was
involved in the activities of Luigi Marotta, the people
that he was reporting on in the IRA were making a trip to
Turkey to the rebels in the mountains there who had a lot
of artefacts which were stolen during the Kuwait war and
one artefact in a particular was a Torah, and he supplied
photographs of it and all the information relating to it.
I was aware of the people in Derry going to Turkey to view
this material and it didn't materialise. And it just,
everything just seemed to disappear. I'm not saying that
it's something that wasn't going to happen, it just didn't
happen and I never actually found out the reason why it
didn't happen."
Is Witness 71 correct in stating that that information that
you gave him was inaccurate?
A. No, actually, it's not inaccurate. Those people in Derry
did go to Istanbul, they then did meet with members of the
PKK, and eventually the Torah was recovered by Israeli
Special Forces. So the thing is, the operation may not
have went ahead with the RUC. The RUC should have been
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aware that those people did travel, the same people that I
named, to Istanbul and meet with those people.
Q. Did you travel out to Istanbul as well? 9
A. No, I did not.
Q. How did you become aware of this particular Torah? 10
A. The people that I was dealing with in Derry were IRA
activists and everything else, they had contacts between --
someone in north of England who had contacts out there that
came up with this stuff. So I reported that back to my
handlers. Now, when an agent or informant is getting
things, you are not in control of an operation; if someone
says we are going to do a robbery, you report that in. If
that robbery doesn't take place, it's not the agent's or
the informant's fault. But the thing is, there was
evidence that those people that I gave their names did go
to Turkey and did meet with PKK.
Q. Where did you get the photograph of the Torah? 11
A. I would have got that off one of the people in that group.
Q. In which group? 12
A. Of the people from Derry. Do you want me to name them?
Q. I am just asking questions? 13
A. Yeah, I am only asking you. These people have been
convicted with Marotta on different things as well, not
just the Torah thing; they were already done for major
fraud.
Q. Yes.14
A. Yes.
Q. But the reason Witness 71 referred to this, is that he 15
regarded the information you had given him as being
inaccurate. Do you agree with that?
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A. No, I don't agree that it was inaccurate, it was totally
accurate.
Q. And a number of witnesses from the RUC, and I have 16
identified some of them, and indeed, a member of An Garda
Siochana, and indeed, a member of the Provisional IRA,
Mr. 'Mooch' Blair, have given evidence in respect of you,
and surprising, all of them agree on one thing, and they
agree on the fact that you are not a person to be trusted
when you give evidence or information about incidents that
happened in the past. Why do you think, Mr. Keeley, that
they are all in agreement on that point?
A. Number one, I wouldn't agree with it at all. I mean, I
gave information in the past and people have been arrested
and convicted of serious crimes. Again, what I will say is
that -- one of the Special Branch officers, I can't
remember the cipher code for him, but, yes, he did lie in
his evidence to you, sir.
Q. OK. 17
A. Yes.
Q. Have you ever lied or given information that you know to be 18
false to any of the agencies you were working for?
A. I already told you yesterday I did and I have been on
record for many years for doing that and my reasons for
doing so.
Q. Is the evidence you gave in respect of Paddy Shanaghan, the 19
only time upon which you lied to an agency to whom you were
providing information?
A. Again, I told you yesterday that the thing with the dumps
in England, the real reasons why those dumps went in was to
purchase weapons, and Special Branch were aware of that.
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And it was wrong for that same witness that lied to this
Tribunal to say that they were not aware of it.
Q. OK. But is your account of Paddy Shanaghan and your 20
alleged ability to identify incriminating evidence, is that
the only time you have lied to your handlers, Mr. Keeley?
A. That is the only ones I can think of at the minute, unless
you know anything else.
Q. We will come to them in due course. But as far as you are 21
concerned, that is the only time?
A. That is all I can remember at the moment, yes.
Q. Why do you think former distinguished members of the Royal 22
Ulster Constabulary would come down here and give evidence
about you to the effect that you are a fantasist, an
intelligence nuisance and an individual not to be trusted,
why would they do that?
A. The thing is, you are talking about there Special Branch.
Special Branch are different than ordinary policemen, sir.
Special Branch, especially with the RUC, were not trusted
by many of their own colleagues. Special Branch used those
words, what was it again? Fantasist, Walter Mitty.
Q. Fantasist, Walter Mitty. I think it was the Chief 23
Constable of the RUC that described you as a Walter Mitty?
A. And fantasist. Yeah, but that was before, and he seems to
have admitted, before he was in full facts of the
information from handlers. That information that led to
that remark came from Special Branch. This was all to do
with stuff over the Omagh bombing. Those remarks were made
by Ronnie Flanagan, who later apologised to police officer
71, because at that time 71 had actually told me that
Ronnie had been given wrong information. I didn't believe
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it. From that moment, I blamed Ronnie Flanagan on knowing
the full facts until not too lately until I heard
differently, and --
Q. Sorry to interrupt you. Do you have any explanation as to 24
why these former distinguished officers would state under
oath that you were a person who was a fantasist and not to
be trusted?
A. Maybe it's a reason because maybe some of those officers
who I didn't know were Special Branch handled the people
that handled me, and as I have said before on the record,
sir, I have done things that I am not proud of, things that
my handlers know that I have done and are party to it.
Maybe it's a case of if I go down the road they are coming
with me. So in everybody's case, it's actually good to
discredit someone who can do them harm. Maybe that is the
reason for doing so.
Q. OK. Can you appreciate why the Chairman and, indeed, other 25
individuals associated with this Tribunal, would be or
would question your credibility in light of what evidence
has been given here by the RUC officers?
A. Well, I think in time to come, sir, there may be other
evidence that people have lied to you in this Tribunal and,
please, I hope that you will get that proof.
Q. But that wasn't my question. Can you appreciate why, 26
perhaps the Chairman, certainly individuals associated with
this Tribunal, would question your credibility, if
individuals from the RUC have come down here and, under
oath, described you as a fantasist?
A. But what I am saying is under oath, these same people told
you lies.
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Q. OK. So your evidence to the Chairman is that the members 27
of the RUC who described you as an intelligence nuisance,
fantasist, and who gave the examples of you misleading
them, that they were lying to the Chairman of this
Tribunal?
A. They did lie in their evidence to you, sir, yes.
Q. OK. Mr. Keeley, yesterday your evidence was that you were 28
aware that the IRA had a friend in the Garda Siochana and
that friend was Owen Corrigan, isn't that correct?
A. That is correct, yes.
Q. When you side that Owen Corrigan was a friend of the IRA, 29
am I correct in interpreting you as meaning that Owen
Corrigan was assisting the IRA?
A. Yes, he assisted the IRA, yes.
Q. Will you tell the Chairman when did you first become aware 30
that Mr. Corrigan was assisting the IRA?
A. Many years even before that, I had met him in the car park,
I had heard his name mentioned with the unit in Dundalk,
that he had helped the unit.
Q. Could you try and be more specific, Mr. Keeley, as to when, 31
by date, you first became aware that Owen Corrigan was
assisting the IRA?
A. By date, I couldn't, sir, but one instance I was told of as
well many years ago was after the Narrow Water bombing,
that it was said that Owen Corrigan had helped the IRA at
that time.
Q. Now, Mr. Keeley, you weren't in the IRA at the time of the 32
Narrow Water bombing?
A. No, but I had heard it after that, yes.
Q. OK. So when did you hear that? 33
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A. I can't remember the exact date, sir.
Q. The Narrow Water bombing was in August 1979, isn't that 34
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. You got involved with the IRA or you started to, I think 35
your language was hang around with 'Mooch' Blair in around
1981 or 1982, isn't that so?
A. That is correct, yes.
Q. Did you become aware of Owen Corrigan's alleged assistance 36
at that time?
A. It would have been around that time, and while I was
hanging around with 'Mooch' Blair and people like that in
Dundalk.
Q. OK. So you would date it to 1981 or 1982? 37
A. I wouldn't put an exact date on it, sir.
Q. I am asking you to do your best to put a general -- 38
A. I am just saying to you I can't put an exact date on it.
Q. Well, was it before you went to prison in November 1985? 39
A. Again, I can't exactly remember the date.
Q. Was it after you came out of prison in November 1986? 40
A. Again, we can go on all day like this; I cannot remember
the exact date, sir.
Q. So you can't recall the date upon which you first became 41
aware that Owen Corrigan was assisting the IRA, is that
correct?
A. Why would I need to remember an exact date for something?
It was not so big in my eyes or important, you know. I
have come across where even RUC men have helped the IRA as
well, you know. So why would I remember one date for Owen
Corrigan? It was not a big thing in my calender.
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Q. Well, I have to suggest to you, Mr. Keeley, that you at the 42
time, according to you, were working as a double agent for
British military intelligence, isn't that so?
A. Yes.
Q. Would you not agree with me that for you to find out, in 43
1981 or 1982, before you were officially a member, that
there was a guard in Dundalk who was working for the
Provisional IRA, that was astonishing information that you
had?
A. It may be astonishing to you. I mean, people keep saying
oh, this is astonishing, it's not. When it becomes a
day-to-day thing with people, there's no big thing. It's
the same with gun and bomb attacks; it is no big thing when
you are dealing with it daily.
Q. When you became aware of it for the first time, did you go 44
back to your handlers and inform them: By the way, I have
got a piece of fascinating information for you, there is a
guard in Dundalk called Corrigan who is an IRA mole, did
you do that?
A. I would have mentioned that to handlers, yes, there is no
doubt about it. And again, I would have mentioned it years
ago -- years in another debrief when MI5 took over in
England, because they took me back through everything that
I had done with other people as well.
Q. Can we stick at the time, because when you became involved 45
with 'Mooch' Blair, you regularly reported back to your
handlers as to what is happening?
A. I would have, yes.
Q. So can we take it that at some stage, you can't specify the 46
date, at some stage you would have reported back to them,
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by the way there is a guard in Dundalk who is an IRA mole?
A. That would have been, yes.
Q. And you reported that to your handler? 47
A. I would have reported that at some stage to my handler,
yes.
Q. Could you write down the name of the handler on a piece of 48
paper, please?
A. Do you want me to do all the handlers?
Q. No, I just want you to identify the man to whom you 49
identified in the first instance that Owen Corrigan was
working as an IRA mole. The gentleman whose name or the
person whose name you wrote down, was he a member of
British military intelligence?
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Q. Army intelligence at the time? 50
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Q. When you brought this to his attention, what was his 51
reaction?
A. Just like any time you give them any information, they take
it and that is it. Why would they give a big -- there's no
big thing with it.
Q. I have to suggest to you this was an enormous achievement; 52
within a couple of years of you involving yourself with
'Mooch' Blair, you were able to report back to your
handlers that you'd effectively identified a double agent,
isn't that so?
A. You might think it's a big thing. It's just someone who
helped the IRA, it's like anything else.
Q. And you didn't think it was a big thing that there was a 53
guard in Dundalk helping the IRA?
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A. No, because there was policemen in the North helping the
IRA as well.
Q. We will come to that in due course as well. 54
A. I am just saying to you, it's no big thing. Maybe to
people not within the IRA or intelligence, it may be a big
thing, but it's not.
Q. Did your handlers ask you to get more information on this 55
Garda mole?
A. I would be instructed to get any information on anything,
not specific things, just anything at all that comes up,
tell them what happened.
Q. Did they ask you to follow up Corrigan and get more 56
information about him?
A. No, because how could you follow him up? As I said from
the start, I never asked questions of nobody, and that is
how I got on well with the IRA and that is how I moved into
it. If you start asking questions when you are going about
with people like that, you are going to end up at the side
of the road. You will be murdered.
Q. In your book, you write about how your handlers expressed 57
great satisfaction when you had an achievement in getting
closer to the IRA, isn't that so?
A. Again, there was two ghost writers did the book. For legal
reasons, I don't want to answer questions on the book
because of ongoing inquiries by the PSNI. There are a
number of lines of inquiry and the book is one of those
lines.
Q. You have nothing to worry about that, Mr. Keeley, because 58
the Attorney General of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
has written a letter to the Chairman of this Tribunal
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stating that you have complete immunity in respect of what
you state in the witness-box, so you have nothing to worry
about that.
A. I know there is a letter of that, but also the Tribunal may
be aware that three journalists, two from England and one
from Northern Ireland, one a former editor of a newspaper
who was a registered Special Branch informant, has passed
information on to the PSNI without a court order, that may
harm my defence in any future case, sir, and at the start I
would love to have been able to speak quite openly about
everything with immunity from prosecution, but
unfortunately, I don't believe that is the case anymore.
Therefore, with respect, to you, sir, and sir, to you, I
feel I cannot answer those certain questions. I mean, I am
being investigated in a number of inquiries by the PSNI,
this last five years, and I believe certain things if I am
taken down the road, may harm a defence that I would have
by talking about it even here.
Q. We will come to that later, but you are aware of the 59
immunity?
A. Well, I've just -- I am aware of the immunity and with
great respect to that immunity, but the police
investigation that has been started and everything else,
you know, I cannot go down certain roads, sir, because of
information passed that may harm my defence by the former
editor of an English newspaper based in Northern Ireland
who was a Special Branch informant.
MR. RAFFERTY: I think, possibly, and I don't want to
interrupt the flow of My Friend, I think that it perhaps is
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of noteworthiness that a number of investigations that,
into historical inquiries have been passed to the
historical inquiries team, but I think that there are
currently nine live investigations that have been retained
with the PSNI solely in respect of Mr. Keeley, so I think
there is a certain degree of circumspection needed in how
the book is handled.
Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: I will try and deal with it this way: 60
Will you write down the name of the journalist that is
causing you concern?
A. No, sir, with the greatest of respect to you, if I give you
the name of the journalist it goes no further than you,
yeah?
CHAIRMAN: It goes no further than me.
A. That is okay, I have no problem.
(Handed to the Chairman.)
Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Mr. Keeley, I now want to ask you about 61
the type of assistance that you allege Owen Corrigan
provided to the IRA. You said a few moments ago that you
heard he had provided assistance in respect of the Narrow
Water investigation, is that correct?
A. That is correct, yes.
Q. That was in August 1979, you had no involvement with the 62
IRA at that time?
A. Absolutely none, no.
Q. You had just joined up in the British Army at that time? 63
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A. Yes, yes.
Q. What did you hear about his involvement in Narrow Water? 64
A. I had heard that some of the evidence that was held by the
garda was something to do with a motorbike or something or
firing mechanism or something went missing after the garda
had got evidence.
Q. OK. 65
A. Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but that is what I
heard.
Q. I just want to try and be specific with you. So what you 66
heard was that a piece of evidence, you think perhaps a
motorbike?
A. Something to do with a motorbike or a firing line, you know
a firing pack, yes.
Q. And that this had been a piece of evidence that had been 67
obtained at the scene by An Garda Siochana?
A. Must have been.
Q. Is that what you believe it to be, because you are the 68
person who heard this now?
A. You have never heard this before?
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A. But I have heard that, yes.
Q. Can you be detailed? You have no difficulty in talking 70
when you want to talk about certain matters, I'd like you
to elaborate and be articulate about this?
A. That is all I have heard. How can I elaborate any more?
Either part of a motorbike or firing pack, evidence had
went missing, that is the easiest way to put that.
Q. Who did you hear this from? 71
A. I can't remember who I heard that from.
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Q. Did you hear it from a member of the Provisional IRA? 72
A. More than likely it would have been, yes. I can't remember
the exact person. There is lots of things were said.
Q. OK. So you think you heard from a member of the 73
Provisional IRA that Owen Corrigan had assisted in
destroying evidence, is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. When did you hear that? 74
A. Again, sir, I am not great on dates. I can't remember the
exact date. Can you remember what you did two weeks ago,
can you, at 9:30 a.m. on Monday morning?
Q. I am sure I could. 75
A. Well, you are very good.
Q. I am asking you about this particular Narrow Water 76
investigation. You heard that Owen Corrigan assisted in
destroying evidence?
A. Yes.
Q. Yes. Are you aware that Owen Corrigan had no involvement 77
in the investigation into Narrow Water?
A. I have no idea that he had any involvement or no
involvement in it, no.
Q. He had no involvement other than questioning one man called 78
Burns, that is his --
A. Brendan Burns it was, yeah.
Q. Brendan Burns. He had no involvement. He was not involved 79
in the scene at the detonation of the bomb. Does that
cause you any concern about the accuracy of the information
you had given?
A. No, you just asked me what I heard and I told you what I
had heard.
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Q. I followed it up by asking you does that cause you any 80
concern about the accuracy of the information that you were
given?
A. Concern to me, I'm just repeating what I had heard because
you had asked me the question. It doesn't matter -- I
mean, it is nothing to do with me, you know.
Q. Does it cause you concern about the accuracy? You were 81
told, and presumably you believed, that Owen Corrigan had
interfered in that investigation?
A. That is what I had been told.
Q. And did you believe that? 82
A. Maybe at the time, yes, I do. And did he or did he not, I
don't know.
Q. I know, but you were told it, isn't that so?83
A. Yes.
Q. And you believed it when you were told it?84
A. I just repeated what I was told.
Q. But is it fair to say that you believed it?85
A. Sometimes I don't believe everything I am told.
Q. OK. 86
A. Yes.
Q. But you included it in your statement to the Inquiry, isn't 87
that correct?
A. Read it out to me. I can't remember my statement to this
Inquiry.
Q. This is what you said in your statement, which was signed 88
on the 1st of March this year, not that long ago and you
state the following: "I can't say when I first became
aware that Owen Corrigan was a friend of Dundalk
republicans. I have heard lots of stories from 'Mooch' and
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in particular in relation to the Narrow Water bomb. While
you might take it as a big thing, it was no big thing; it
was a story I had heard which had been ongoing over a long
period of time. In relation to Narrow Water BB" - which I
presume is Brendan Burns - "was caught on the motorbike
with wires or something, and apparently stuff disappeared
as well. They should have had him bang to rights, they
should have had, in police terms, enough to do him either
for a bomb or for membership, but apparently all the
evidence disappeared. He wasn't charged. The suggestion
was that the 'friend' had taken care of it, but I don't
know if this is true or not"?
A. Yes.
Q. And you stand over -- that is your account of your 89
knowledge of Narrow Water?
A. Yes.
Q. When I tell you that Owen Corrigan was not involved in the 90
investigation on the ground, would you agree with me it's
very difficult and unlikely that he could have interfered
with that investigation?
A. Well, you are telling me that now, I will have to take your
word for that.
Q. But in fairness to Mr. Corrigan, do you not think it's very 91
unlikely that he could have interfered with evidence if he
wasn't involved in the investigation on the ground?
A. I don't know what way their evidence was stored. I am only
telling you. You asked me a question, let me finish, you
know. I don't know what way their procedures were in
Dundalk when evidence was taken or anything else. Is a
person able to tamper with stuff? I don't know. You will
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have to go into the garda and find out what way they
operated.
Q. Yes. So in effect, Mr. Keeley, you have no evidence, 92
really, to suggest that Owen Corrigan compromised Narrow
Water, isn't that a fair assessment?
A. I am saying that is what I heard and -- I didn't say it's
evidence, it is what I have been told.
Q. In fairness to Mr. Corrigan, it's a serious allegation to 93
make against him, and you have made more serious ones. You
don't have any evidence to substantiate the Narrow Water
investigation?
A. Just what was said.
Q. OK. And do you think 'Mooch' Blair said that to you? 94
A. More than likely it was 'Mooch'. 'Mooch' was a person I
went about with most in the IRA, yes.
Q. You told the Chairman yesterday about three alleged events 95
in which you say Owen Corrigan provided assistance to the
IRA: The first being the murder of Chief Superintendent
Breen and Superintendent Buchanan; the second being the
seizure of explosives in Omeath; the third being the
setting-up of Tom Oliver. Now, what other type of
assistance, leaving aside those three, but by the time of
the murder of the two RUC officers in March 1989, when Owen
Corrigan -- when the name "our friend helped us out" was
mentioned to you by Mr. A, you were aware that was Owen
Corrigan, weren't you?
A. That is who I took it to be, yes.
Q. So what assistance had he provided to the IRA prior to 96
that?
A. What do you mean "prior to that"?
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Q. Prior to the 20th of March, 1989, what assistance had Owen 97
Corrigan provided to the IRA?
A. Well, I told you what I was told, the stories I was told by
'Mooch' and them people about the Omeath stuff.
Q. No, I am not trying to trick you out. Omeath was in August 98
1989, some five months after the murders of the two RUC
officers. So on the day of the murder of the RUC officers,
when Mr. A said to you "our friend helped us out", you must
have -- you couldn't have known about Omeath at the time,
isn't that so?
A. I'm on about Omeath. The first thing in Omeath you are on
about, the Narrow Water thing, that is what I am on about.
Q. OK, you are saying that when you were told on the 20th of 99
March, 1989, that "our friend helped us out," that you
thought it's Corrigan, is that so?
A. Absolutely. It's the only person in the guards, that's our
only friend that I knew about.
Q. The question I am asking you: What assistance - you have 100
mentioned Narrow Water, but you just heard that from
someone - what assistance do you know as a member of the
IRA at the time that Owen Corrigan had provided the IRA
with?
A. I knew he helped the IRA, so I took it that it was him,
yes.
Q. Mr. Keeley, you were a member of the IRA at the time in 101
1989, isn't that so?
A. Yes.
Q. Tell the Chairman specifically what assistance Owen 102
Corrigan had given the IRA prior to the 20th of March,
1989?
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A. I can't give specifics or -- just going through it again.
We can knock about this all the time.
Q. Mr. Keeley, we are going to spend a lot of time on this, 103
so...
A. That is just what I am saying. It's things that I have
been told by people in the IRA about Owen Corrigan, "our
friend".
Q. Give examples to the Chairman? 104
A. We already talked about examples there now, we did.
Q. What examples are you talking about?105
A. We already talked about the Narrow Water stuff, the stuff
in Omeath that I was told about.
Q. Narrow Water is one? 106
A. Yes.
Q. And that was in 1979. You can't recall who told you, and 107
you don't know whether it was true?
A. Well, there is no way of knowing anything you are told by
somebody else is totally true, all you can do is repeat
what they have said.
Q. Give me another example of Owen Corrigan providing 108
assistance to the IRA prior to March 1989?
A. The only other things I can give is the Tom Oliver stuff.
Q. That was 1991? 109
A. Yes.
Q. Give me another example? 110
A. I can't give you any more examples because I have none of
that, is there?
Q. You have no examples of this man assisting the IRA, and yet 111
you are able to tell this Chairman on the 20th of March
when you hear Mr. A, who by the way has been named here as
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Mickey Collins, when you hear Mickey Collins coming in and
telling you about the two RUC officers killed and telling
you that "our friend assisted in the operation," you say,
after that, that you knew that was Owen Corrigan?
A. Well, Owen Corrigan is the only person that I knew that
helped them in the Garda station. I didn't know of anybody
else that helped the IRA that was a member of the guards.
Q. And aside from the Narrow Water matter which happened in 112
1979, at a time when you weren't even out of the British
Army in the IRA, give the Chairman another example of
assistance that Owen Corrigan gave the IRA?
A. I can't actually give the Chairman anything because I don't
have any of those.
Q. Of course you don't? 113
A. No, I know I don't, but I never said I did, did I?
Q. You have come in and you've said that Owen Corrigan 114
assisted the IRA?
A. Yes.
Q. And you can't give one example to the Chairman during your 115
time in the IRA of that happening?
A. I can't give any extra because I don't know of any other
times.
Q. And you are absolutely correct, and the reason you don't 116
know of any other times is because Owen Corrigan didn't
assist the PIRA?
A. Well, I can say Owen Corrigan did assist the PIRA.
Q. Give the Chairman an example prior to the 20th of March? 117
A. You are saying prior to dates. I will give you exactly
what there was there, the things I have heard. I can't
give you any more because I don't have any more. He can
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bang on about dates and prior to this and prior to that. I
gave you what I have heard about the involvement with Owen
Corrigan. I cannot give you any more because I don't have
any anymore.
Q. And we will come to look at the Fintan Callan Céilí House 118
and the 20th of March, the day of the murders. But just to
conclude, is it your evidence to the Chairman that you
cannot give him any specific examples of Owen Corrigan
assisting the IRA prior to the 20th of March, 1989?
A. That would be correct, yes.
Q. When did you first meet Owen Corrigan? 119
A. When did I first meet him?
Q. Yes.120
A. What would you count by meeting him? I mean, I have seen
him in the cars with the Garda Special Branch.
Q. When did you first see him? 121
A. I can't remember a year or date.
Q. When did you first meet him? 122
A. What do you mean when did I first meet him? Personally?
Q. It's a simple question, Mr. Keeley: When did you first 123
meet him? You were asked yesterday when did you first meet
'Mooch' Blair. You went on for about two pages about the
time you met him. I'm asking a simple question: When did
you first meet this IRA mole, Owen Corrigan, as you have
described him?
A. I seen him driving around Dundalk in a Garda car,
plain-clothes.
Q. OK. When did you become aware of him, in what year? 124
A. The story is again after the Narrow Water stuff when I
started hanging about with 'Mooch' I became aware of him
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Q. You say you encountered him in Dundalk Garda Station, isn't 125
that correct?
A. Yes, that's correct.
Q. What year did you encounter him in Dundalk Garda Station? 126
A. The year, I can't remember the year, but I had been
arrested by the Special Branch on the Long Avenue Road with
'Mooch' Blair, 'Mooch' was in the car with me, and you
could narrow the date down because a south Armagh man that
was convicted of blowing up Lord Mountbatten, he was having
some sort of Court of Appeal here in Dublin, and I think
when that was happening, the guards discovered an escape
attempt that he was going to make, I remember it was that
time.
Q. OK. 127
A. Because that was on the news when I was arrested.
Q. OK. 128
A. Or released.
Q. Now, I understand, and the Garda Siochana will have this 129
evidence, you will appreciate that, that you were arrested
on the 30th of June, 1989?
A. Right.
Q. Does that ring a bell with you? 130
A. Well, if they say that is the date, I remember the arrest,
yes.
Q. And of course, that is a date some three months after the 131
date upon which Chief Superintendent Breen and
Superintendent Buchanan were murdered, isn't that correct?
A. Well, if that is the date that it was, yes.
Q. And is that the only -- is that the only time that you 132
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encountered Owen Corrigan?
A. In the Garda station?
Q. Yes.133
A. Yes.
Q. The only time you encountered him? 134
A. In the Garda station.
Q. OK. And did he arrest you? 135
A. No, he didn't arrest me.
Q. Did he interrogate you? 136
A. He came into the interrogation room because I remember him
coming into it.
Q. Did he interrogate you? 137
A. He was in the interrogation room when I was getting
interrogated, well spoken to, it wasn't even an
interrogation.
Q. Did he interrogate you? 138
A. He came into the room and the detectives were in the
interrogation room.
Q. Mr. Keeley, it's a very simple question: Was the retired 139
Detective Sergeant one of the people who interrogated you
when you were arrested and held in Dundalk Garda Station on
the 30th of June, 1989?
A. He came into the room when I was interrogated, being
interrogated by --
CHAIRMAN: Did he interrogate you himself?
A. He was in the room when other detectives were talking to
me, but I would count those people in the room --
CHAIRMAN: Did he not take part in the interrogation?
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A. I can't remember, but he was in the room.
Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Your evidence is you can't remember 140
whether he interrogated you or not?
A. Well, he was in the room, he came into the room.
Q. OK. But you can't remember whether he interrogated you or 141
not?
A. I can't remember the names of the other people, either.
Q. I am not asking you that question. You can't remember 142
whether Owen Corrigan interrogated you or not, is that
correct?
A. No, that's correct.
Q. OK. Why, then, did you tell Henry McDonald of The Observer 143
in November 2004, that Owen Corrigan had interrogated you?
A. Again, I am not responsible for editorial control. I would
have said that he came into the room, he was in the garda
station when I was interrogated. I didn't write the story.
Q. I know you didn't. I will just read out what Henry 144
McDonald quotes you as stating. On the 14th of November,
2004, Mr. McDonald wrote a story that was published in The
Observer called "Garda knew of IRA Mole in Force," and it
says the following:
"Fulton has been interviewed by Cory and has provided the
name of the IRA mole working inside the Garda. The
Observer is aware of the name but cannot print it for legal
reasons. In the programme" - that is a television
programme that was due to be broadcast called Cross-Border
Murder - "Fulton says 'On one occasion, I was along with
Patrick Joseph Blair, my commanding officer in the IRA, and
we had to go out and meet a garda who usually met another
man from south Armagh who was in the Internal Security
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team. But this person wasn't there that day, so at some
stage I worked with the Internal Security Unit along with
Patrick Joseph Blair. We went out to a pub along the
border and the person we met was X," presumably that's
Mr. Corrigan?
A. Yes.
Q. "The reason I knew him was I had been arrested. I was 145
interrogated by him in Dundalk Garda Station at one stage.
We all knew about Corrigan, it was basically the worst-kept
secret within a certain group of IRA men, but to me there
was nothing extraordinary about that."
Now, is what you said to The Observer correct or is what
you said to the Chairman correct?
A. Well, I have just said there now he came into the room.
Did he speak to me and actually ask questions? I can't
remember, but he was part of the team of detectives.
CHAIRMAN: All right, I understood that correctly. But
what about this Observer journalist. Did you tell him that
Corrigan had investigated you?
A. Some of them say like I was interrogated. There was three
policemen in the room, you count all three of them as
interrogating you.
CHAIRMAN: I see.
Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: You told me that Owen Corrigan did not 146
interrogate you?
A. You asked me did he actually interrogate me. He was there
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in the room with the other detectives.
Q. I know -- 147
A. But to me you are twisting my words. I know you maybe look
at things differently than me.
Q. Do you not see the inconsistency between what you told The 148
Observer and what you are telling the Chairman?
A. Tell me the inconsistency.
Q. You told The Observer that, "I was interrogated by Owen 149
Corrigan in Dundalk Garda Station at one stage"?
A. Yes.
Q. Are you now saying that is correct? 150
A. No. What is the difference? I am saying to the Chairman
that he was in the room when I was being interrogated. To
me that is the exact same thing.
Q. I asked you if you could recall whether or not he 151
interrogated you and you said you couldn't?
A. What do you call by interrogating? You physically asking
questions?
Q. Yes.152
A. If I am sitting here and there is three detectives and one
is doing all the asking, in my eye the three of them is
still interrogating me.
Q. I wouldn't seek to raise myself up to the level of a garda 153
investigator, but at present I think it's fair to say that
I am interrogating you, isn't that correct?
A. Absolutely, yes.
Q. Now, the other individuals in the room, are they 154
interrogating you as well?
A. Well, I mean part of your team is this gentleman here.
Well, I can't see any more.
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Q. Do you think these other people are interrogating you at 155
the same time?
A. I can't see them. Are they part of your team?
Q. I have to suggest to you that either what you told The 156
Observer is incorrect or what you told the Chairman is
incorrect?
A. No, sir, what I have told you is not incorrect.
Q. OK. So Owen Corrigan came into the room, which would have 157
been on the 30th of June, 1989, and you saw him?
A. Yes.
Q. Describe him? 158
A. When I seen him then he was actually tall, he was very
bulky then so he was.
Q. How tall was he? 159
A. A lot taller than me. I am only five-five.
Q. OK. How tall would you say he was? 160
A. How tall? I am not great at heights, sir. How long is a
piece of string? To me, he is asking me questions that I
am not going to remember, the exact height of the man, what
colour is his shoes, that's the next one.
Q. Was he tall or short?161
A. He was taller than me but shorter than some of the guards.
Is that any help to you?
Q. No, it's not. 162
A. You see, the questions he is asking me --
Q. Was he fat or thin? 163
A. He wasn't thin, he was very bulky.
Q. Was very, very fat, is that what you are saying?164
A. I am not saying he was fat, but he would have been
overweight.
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Q. Was he bald or did he have hair? 165
A. He had hair.
Q. Did you notice anything distinctive about his speech?166
A. Not really, no.
Q. Did he speak to you? 167
A. I can't remember if he interrogated me in this thing, but,
you see, again, what colour is his shoes, that's the next
one, is it?
Q. No, it's not. I am asking you about his speech?168
A. He has a southern accent.
Q. Of course you heard him in the car at Fintan Callan's Céilí 169
House, isn't that so?
A. Yes, but to me a lot of people from the Irish Republic,
Dundalk area, speak with the same brogue. My brogue is
different from most northerners as well.
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teeth?
A. No, I wouldn't have been looking to see if he was missing
teeth.
Q. Did you notice what type of an accent he had? 171
A. No.
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him --
A. Yes.
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Aside from that, had you met him prior to the incident or
the alleged incident in your car outside Fintan Callan's
Céilí House?
A. Again, loads of times he would have been driving around
Dundalk spotting with the Garda Special Branch. I said
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that even yesterday. They'd pass us, we would wave at
them. We knew most of the guards to see, one or two by
name, that was it.
Q. Had you met him before you encountered him in the car? 174
A. When you say "met", what do you mean? Physical, personal
meetings with him?
Q. Had you met him, yes? 175
A. No, I mean I wouldn't be associating with guards.
Q. But sure, this wasn't an ordinary guard; this was an IRA 176
mole working for the guards?
A. Yeah. I would have no reason even to approach him, speak
to him or anything else.
Q. But you are a member of the IRA? 177
A. It doesn't matter if you are a member of the IRA. If you
are a member of the Garda Special Branch and you know an
informant, just because you seen one of his handlers does
that give you the right to go and speak to him? Absolutely
not. It would be ludicrous and madness to do it.
Q. How many times had you met Owen Corrigan, can you clarify 178
for the Chairman, prior to the meeting in the car?
A. Just the one -- I mean you are saying about meetings. I
would not be meeting the man anywhere. If anything, they'd
would be passing in a car and you would you look at them,
you know. We would wave at the Branch and the Branch would
wave back, to let us know they were watching us. You don't
meet people and you don't speak to people, even if you met
them on a official capacity with someone else, you just
wouldn't do it.
Q. Your story about meeting in the car in the car park at 179
Fintan Callan's Céilí House is that you were aware of Owen
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Corrigan because you had met him once previously when he
had either interrogated you or come into the room, isn't
that so?
A. Yeah, yeah, and I would have seen him as well in the Garda
car, so I knew who he was.
Q. And your evidence yesterday was you met him once prior to 180
being in the car park?
A. My evidence yesterday?
Q. Yeah, was that you had met Corrigan once; you had met him 181
before, you said, before the meeting in the car park in
Fintan Callan's Céilí House?
A. I said that yesterday, did I?
Q. Well, that's what I think you said to Mrs. Laverty. You 182
said you knew it was Corrigan, you had met him before?
A. No, he hadn't arrested me, he came into the interview room.
You seem to be picking little things, dates and everything
else. Go on.
Q. Why then did you sign a statement to the Tribunal on the 183
1st of March, this year, in which you said the following:
"I met Corrigan once when I had to drive Patrick Joseph
Blair out to Fintan Callan's Céilí House outside Dundalk"?
A. They already had that in the statement previous to that.
Q. Why did you tell the Tribunal that you had only met him 184
once and that time was in the Fintan Callan Céilí House?
A. Part of the statement showed I had met him long before that
as well. I had already spoken to the Tribunal.
Q. Yeah, it wasn't in it?185
A. Was it not in it? Well, I haven't seen it.
Q. Well, I suggest to you -- 186
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somewhere that I had met him in the police station as well.
Q. Well, you never said that in your statement to the 187
Tribunal. And I think there were three drafts of your
statement before you signed it, Mr. Keeley, isn't that so?
A. I don't know how many drafts there is.
Q. Why don't you say anything about this Garda mole in your 188
book?
A. As I say, I didn't write the book and, again, I had no
editorial control of the book. And again, I don't want to
go into the book because it's part of the main
investigation by the PSNI and the HET.
Q. The people who wrote your book wrote it based on 189
information you gave them, isn't that right?
A. You speak to them.
Q. Well, you tell me? 190
A. I am just saying, I am not going to discuss the book, sir,
because of the investigations that is ongoing at the
minute, because the book is playing a major part in it.
Q. Mr. Keeley, I am not asking you about the content of the 191
book at this stage, I am asking you about how the book was
written. Presumably --
A. Two ghost writers writ the book.
Q. But they must have got information from you in order to 192
write it?
A. They got information from other people as well, so you
could speak to them.
Q. So they got information from you, you accept that?193
A. You can speak to them, I'm not -- sir, for my own
protection in these investigations, I can't -- I don't want
to go into that and be brought down a certain road because
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my defence in future cases could be compromised by it.
Q. I am not going to ask the witness at this stage about his 194
previous involvement in terrorist offences. I am simply
asking you about the manner in which your book was
prepared?
A. You are on about the book again, the book is playing a big
part in police investigations. Again, sir, I would like
not to answer that.
Q. Why didn't you mention in your book that there was a garda 195
mole in Dundalk?
A. Everything that I have done over the years is not mentioned
in that book, sir. There is a lot of things not mentioned
in that book --
Q. The fact -- 196
A. -- that me and my handlers were involved in. You can only
get so much into a book as well. You can't get a life
story in it.
Q. Mr. Keeley, I have to suggest to you that your information 197
that there was an IRA mole working in Dundalk Garda Station
is astonishing information and it should have been in your
book. Can you give an explanation to the Chairman as to
why it isn't in your book?
A. Again, there is a lot of things I did in my career working
in military intelligence that is not in that book.
Q. So you don't have an explanation as to why it's not there?198
A. That is what I'm saying. I have no editorial control.
There is a lot of things not in the book.
Q. Did you tell the ghost writers about the fact that there 199
was an IRA mole in the Dundalk Garda Station?
A. You would maybe need to talk to the ghost writers yourself.
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I don't want to discuss the book. I am just saying to you,
with the greatest of respect, I don't want to discuss the
book because it is a major part of the PSNI --
CHAIRMAN: Yes. What I think Mr. O'Callaghan is getting at
is, that here was a very valuable piece of work you had
done for your -- the people to whom you were providing
information. Wasn't this a star part of your life and why
didn't you refer to it?
A. I am sure the ghost writers do know about it, but I have no
editorial control of what went into that book. You are all
saying this is astonishing news. It's not really
astonishing news. I mean, I have come across it with RUC
men helping to IRA to set up their colleagues, you know. A
guard -- I know to yous maybe it is massively important and
big, but in the field of things that we were doing, you
know, there was actually more important -- it's wrong to
say important things; there was more horrible things going
on. You know, it's very hard for yous to understand.
MR. RAFFERTY: Mr. Chairman, just to assist My Friend and
assist the -- I think the Cory, Judge Cory, the statement
was taken in 2003. I don't think the book was published
until 2006. If that assists.
MR. O'CALLAGHAN: I am fully aware of that.
Q. I am still asking you, though, you don't really have an 200
explanation as to what I regard as an astonishing claim was
not in your book, do you?
A. Again, I don't have editorial control of what's going into
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it. That book was actually picked for an English market,
not for an Irish market.
Q. And you don't think an English market would be interested 201
in the fact that there was a Garda Sergeant colluding with
the IRA?
A. There was a lot more other things went on as well that
didn't appear in the book, that went on with MI5 and
Special Branch and military intelligence. You know, you
are picking the bits that are relevant to here.
Q. I will move on. I now want to go on and talk about the 202
three specific examples of what you say is Owen Corrigan
colluding with the IRA?
A. Yes.
Q. Omeath, Fintan Callan's Céilí House and, finally, the 203
murders of Chief Superintendent Breen and Buchanan. I want
to start with Omeath. You are aware from what Mrs. Laverty
said to you yesterday that the Omeath bomb was seized on
the 28th of August, 1989, isn't that correct?
A. If you say that is the date.
Q. There is no dispute of that. In what way did Owen Corrigan 204
help the IRA?
A. When the bomb was actually caught in the place, there was a
lot of tools there. The bomb wasn't totally finished. And
basically, the guards raided it, caught all the stuff. And
'Mooch' and everybody had to go on the run. They were
already living in Dundalk but had to run because their
prints were everywhere. So I moved 'Mooch' and that about,
got him off-side. And I think it was two days later we got
a message back from Patrick that "our friend" had sorted
things out. So I took it that the fingerprints and all had
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disappeared. so I took it that "our friend" was the same
Owen Corrigan.
Q. OK. And I have to try and tie you down to detail here. 205
What did Patsy O'Callaghan say to you after --
A. No, he didn't say to me. The message came through from
Mickey --
Q. Just describe to me again? 206
A. Man A on the cipher.
Q. You were making a bomb in Omeath, isn't that correct? 207
A. They were making a bomb in Omeath, yes.
Q. And you were there? 208
A. I was party to it.
Q. You were party to it. And it was raided by An Garda 209
Siochana?
A. By the Garda, yes.
Q. And were you apprehended by An Garda Siochana? 210
A. No, sir, I wasn't. I wasn't even arrested.
Q. And were you at the scene at the time of the raid? 211
A. No, neither was 'Mooch' or anybody else.
Q. OK. So you are stating that the bomb factory was raided by 212
An Garda Siochana at a time when no one was there?
A. Well, 'Mooch' nor the bomb-makers were there, no.
Q. OK. And then, what happens after that? 'Mooch' says to 213
you that...
A. They had to get off-side because -- I mean they knew their
fingerprints were on things inside the garage where the
bomb was.
Q. And do you not work with gloves when you are making bombs 214
or anything?
A. People do work with gloves. A lot of people grinding
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sometimes don't use gloves because, number one, at that
stage it's not actually a bomb, you are grinding your
fertiliser, and before you mix it up, people will touch
things. I mean, there is cases where 'Mooch', before a
bomb went from Omeath up to Newry, he had actually put his
fingerprint on the bomb. Sound madness, but he has done
it.
Q. OK. So the premises in Omeath was raided? 215
A. Yes.
Q. You left the area, although you weren't there at the time 216
--
A. I wasn't there at the time, no.
Q. Where did you go after it was raided? 217
A. I was living in Newry at the time.
Q. What were you told to do? 218
A. When I went back down to Dundalk to pick up 'Mooch', to
move him away, the stuff had been caught and get him
off-side. And he went to a friend's house somewhere else.
Q. Did you go in Northern Ireland or in the Republic of 219
Ireland?
A. No, he was still in the Republic of Ireland.
Q. And how long after that do you hear from Patsy O'Callaghan? 220
A. I think it was about two days or so, it was very quickly
after it.
Q. And who did Patsy O'Callaghan speak to? 221
A. We got the information from Man A on the cipher.
Q. Mickey Collins, he has been named already?222
A. Mickey Collins. Oh, that's all right, Mickey Collins,
yeah.
Q. So you were with 'Mooch' Blair in a safe house in the 223
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A. I visited him, I didn't stay with him, no, I drove him
because he wasn't driving at the time.
Q. And what information did you get at that stage? 224
A. Just that it was okay to come back, everything is all
clear, "our friend" --
Q. Who gave you that information? 225
A. It would have been Mickey Collins.
Q. And did he give it to you or to 'Mooch' Blair? 226
A. I would have heard it from him, but I also heard it from
'Mooch' as well. So he would have got a call to the place
where he was staying.
Q. And what did he say to you? 227
A. Just that "our friend" -- it's safe to go back, all the
stuff is gone, "our friend" had helped. Don't pin me down
to exact words. But it worked out that basically "our
friend" had looked after things, the stuff is gone, the
evidence.
Q. So Mickey Collins tipped you off -- 228
A. Yes.
Q. -- that things were okay? 229
A. Yes.
Q. This is what you said in your statement at page 10: "The 230
guards got wind of it and went to the bomb-making factory
in Omeath. The guards went in and got all the stuff:
There was a grinder, there was tools, there were
fingerprints of 'Mooch' Blair, my fingerprints were there.
At that time everybody from the South had to go on the run,
I think it was about three days later we got word from
Patsy O'Callaghan that everything was clear, our friend
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looked after it, it's cleared, there is nothing. I take
'our friend' to be Owen Corrigan. And this was not the
first time I had heard of him."
Now, you told the Chairman a few moments ago that it was
Mickey Collins who tipped you off?
A. Yes.
Q. In your statement you told the Chairman it was Patsy 231
O'Callaghan. Which is correct?
A. Everything that would have come from Owen Corrigan would
have come through Patsy O'Callaghan. That was the main
contact. Mickey Collins was about the only one in Dundalk
had a telephone and Mickey would have been the main contact
with Patsy as well. I mean, Owen Corrigan would never have
contacted 'Mooch', me or anybody else. Not even Mickey
Collins.
Q. Why wouldn't Owen Corrigan have contacted 'Mooch' or 232
yourself? Sure he was an IRA mole, according to you.
A. Usually when you work with different teams you work with
one specific person, and I have said in the statement that
Owen Corrigan's contact within the IRA was Patsy
O'Callaghan.
Q. Why wouldn't Owen Corrigan have contacted 'Mooch' or 233
yourself?
A. He would never have looked me anyhow. Why would he contact
me?
Q. Because you are in the IRA? 234
A. No. Listen, that's nonsense. There is about 60 or 80 IRA
men roaming around Dundalk. He is not going to go to any
of those people. It's like, I was working for British
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intelligence, does that mean I would go to an ordinary RUC
man on the street and tell him? Of course not.
Q. It was Mickey Collins or Patsy O'Callaghan who told you 235
that everything was sorted out?
A. It would have come from Patsy O'Callaghan at the very
start. It could have come from no one else but him. I
know, you're nitpicking on my statement, yeah, yeah.
Q. You said Mickey Collins a few moments ago to the Chairman? 236
A. Mickey Collins would have told me as well, yeah.
Q. So both of them told you, Mickey Collins and Patsy 237
O'Callaghan?
A. Patsy O'Callaghan would not have told me. Patsy
O'Callaghan would have no dealings with me, sir. I was a
driver that drove Mickey out and just the Internal Security
stuff, that's it. I went out to Patsy O'Callaghan with
Collins. I would not even have talked to Patsy O'Callaghan
on the street.
Q. You got your information from Mickey Collins that there was 238
no longer a problem?
A. But it all would have came from Patsy O'Callaghan, yes.
Q. What did -- because Mickey Collins is the only one that 239
spoke to you, isn't that correct? What did he say to you?
A. Well, basically "our friend" -- everything is clear, I
could go down and collect 'Mooch'. Don't ask me --
Q. I'm not asking you word-for-word. From your recollection, 240
what did he say to you?
A. Basically that it was all clear, the fingerprints are gone
and I could go down and pick 'Mooch' up, which I did.
Q. And where did he say to you that "our friend has sorted it 241
out"?
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A. He would have said that in Dundalk.
Q. Tell the Chairman what he said to you, how he said it? 242
A. Again, sir, word-for-word I can't remember.
CHAIRMAN: Tell me what he said.
A. Basically that "our friend" had looked after things,
fingerprints are gone, I can take things back.
Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: And you interpreted "our friend" to be 243
Owen Corrigan?
A. Absolutely, yes. Yes, sir.
Q. OK. Did you ever hear of a man called Joseph Patrick 244
Parker?
A. No.
Q. Think about it? 245
A. Oh, yes, that is the guy that owned the house in Omeath.
Hold on, just because the IRA used a house, it doesn't mean
that everybody would know the person that owns the house.
We had safe houses that we used for interrogation, I know
who owned one of those houses, I'd know the other house,
but I don't know who the owner is, you know. Just because
someone has actually used the premises to make a bomb
doesn't mean that everybody knows them. They don't.
Q. Was anyone convicted of the Omeath bomb? 246
A. I believe that the man that owns the property, the actual
owner, was convicted of that.
Q. He was convicted of possession of the bomb in December 247
1989, isn't that correct?
A. I don't know the exact date when he was convicted.
Q. And going back to my original question: Had you heard of 248
Joseph Patrick Parker at the time in Omeath?
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A. Not at that time, no, sir.
Q. When did you first become aware of him? 249
A. I became aware of him when he was convicted and then I had
to look up when, roughly, for this bomb, exactly where it
was, the Tribunal wanted to know, they wanted to pinpoint
the date, which bomb it was on about. At that stage it was
the biggest bomb that the guards found at that time.
Q. He was convicted of possession of explosives, isn't that 250
correct?
A. If you say that is what --
Q. Do you believe he was a member of the IRA? 251
A. No, I don't. A lot of people that helped the IRA, sir, are
not members of the IRA. A lot of people will give
technical support, they'll give premises, they will let you
use their house, their car, but they are not members of the
IRA.
Q. When Mickey Collins said to you that "our friend" had 252
sorted it out, did he go on and say that the fingerprints
have been removed?
A. Well, that is what we took it as because we all knew our
fingerprints were on things inside the garage.
Q. I don't want you to tell the Chairman what you took it as. 253
Did he specifically state to you "our friend has got rid of
the fingerprints"?
A. No, but we knew the fingerprints was on the things. That
is why everybody was in trouble.
Q. So am I to take it that all he said to you was "our friend 254
has sorted it out"?
A. Yeah. And I took it that the fingerprints had gone. When
everybody was safe to come home, that is what it had to
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mean.
Q. And in order to sort out that issue with the fingerprints, 255
Mr. Corrigan would have had to have been involved in the
Omeath inquiry, wouldn't he?
A. I don't know why he has to be involved in it or have access
to it, I don't know.
Q. Well, what do you think? 256
A. No, It doesn't matter what I think. You are now nitpicking
on things. You are on to me about things, not what you
think, what did he tell you? Now you are asking me what
did I think.
Q. Mr. Keeley, you were trained by the British military? 257
A. Yes.
Q. You are a double agent, a successful one, according to 258
yourself. I am just asking you to comment upon what I am
stating to you. Would you agree with me that, in order for
Owen Corrigan to compromise this investigation, he'd have
to have been involved in the investigation?
A. He would have access to something; maybe not even involved
but access to something. Yeah, you would need access to
something or someone, yes.
Q. And you believe that Owen Corrigan compromised this inquiry 259
don't you?
A. Which inquiry.
Q. The Omeath investigation? 260
A. That is what I have been led to believe, yes.
Q. But you believe it?261
A. Well, that is what I believe because that is what I said,
yes.
Q. And you have stated it to this Tribunal as a fact, that he 262
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interfered with that inquiry to the benefit of IRA men,
isn't that so?
A. Well, that is what I believe, yeah.
Q. But you have stated it in your statement as a fact? 263
A. Yes, well that is what I believe, sir, yes.
Q. I want to suggest to you, Mr. Keeley, that this is but 264
another example of you lying to this Tribunal?
A. No, sir, I am not lying to this Tribunal.
Q. And let me tell you why it is an example of you lying to 265
this Tribunal: Owen Corrigan was not part of the Garda
team that raided the scene or investigated the scene at
Omeath. That operation was run by Superintendent Tom
Connolly. Mr. Corrigan did not work in any respect with
Mr. Connolly on that operation. That is a matter that
would be confirmed by An Garda Siochana. How do you
explain that?
A. Well, you are just after explaining it, aren't you?
Q. How do you explain the fact that you have told this 266
Chairman and this Tribunal that Owen Corrigan interfered
with the Garda inquiry into Omeath and he wasn't even
working on it?
A. Well, I have told the Inquiry "our friend" and I took that
to be Owen Corrigan, sir.
Q. Are you suggesting that it may not have been Owen Corrigan? 267
A. No, but I am telling you, I believe that that was Owen
Corrigan because when it was stated it was "our friend",
and the only person that I knew of as "our friend" was Owen
Corrigan, no other Garda.
Q. Would you not agree with me from your experience, 268
Mr. Keeley, that it's simply not possible for Mr. Corrigan
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to have compromised that investigation since he didn't work
on that matter with Superintendent Tom Connolly?
A. Well, basically, if he didn't work on it, had he any access
to anybody on it or any access to the materials?
Q. No, he didn't, would be the answer. 269
A. I mean, I compromised IRA jobs that I wasn't even on, that
is the best way to compromise it, when you are not actually
on it.
Q. Well, do you have any other explanation for this obstacle 270
in your story, other than what you have just said?
A. No, absolutely not, no.
Q. Of course, there is one other explanation, which is that 271
you are telling lies about Owen Corrigan on the Omeath
inquiry?
A. No, sir, I am not telling lies on the Omeath inquiry.
Q. You said in your statement that the Gardai got wind of the 272
Omeath bomb factory?
A. Yes.
Q. If Owen Corrigan was an IRA mole, why didn't he tip you off 273
about the fact that the Gardaí were going to raid this
factory?
A. I don't know. If other people is on it -- I mean, put it
like this; IRA moles get into things, I mean IRA volunteers
do things as well. I am sure agents have done things and
didn't tip their handlers as well.
Q. You must have been furious with Mr. Corrigan after the 274
Omeath factory was raided?
A. No, why would I be furious with him?
Q. Because he was an IRA mole who was supposed to tip you off 275
and didn't?
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A. Why would I be cheesed off with that?
Q. Well, was Patsy O'Callaghan cheesed off, to use your words?276
A. No. Put it like this: If the guards are going to raid
somewhere and you have one mole there, just because your
mole can't get to you, there is other people in their unit
is going to raid the place anyhow. Your mole may not have
had the opportunity to tell you or he just may not have
told you.
Q. Did no one in the IRA say to you afterwards, why didn't our 277
mole tip us off about this?
A. No, no one said anything like that.
Q. I have to suggest to you that if Owen Corrigan was an IRA 278
mole, he would have tipped Patsy O'Callaghan off, as you
suggest, about the Gardaí about to raid the Omeath factory,
would you agree with that?
A. Maybe if he knew about it well in advance, he may have.
Q. I want to ask you about the meeting or alleged meeting at 279
Fintan Callan's --
A. Céilí House.
Q. -- Céilí House. This is very important evidence, 280
Mr. Keeley. Do you know why it's very important?
A. No, you tell me.
Q. No, I am asking you, do you know? 281
A. Well, you tell me why it's important.
Q. No, I am asking you, do you know? 282
A. You are only after saying do you know why.
Q. The answer is no? 283
A. Tell me why you say it's important.
Q. I will, but I am asking you first: Do you know this is 284
very important evidence?
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A. Of course all evidence is important.
Q. But this particular evidence is important. I am going to 285
tell you why, but I am wondering do you know?
A. Well, tell me then.
Q. I'm asking you --286
A. What I think maybe is important is maybe different --
Q. I take it you don't realise that this is important 287
evidence. Because it is the only direct evidence that you
purport to have linking Owen Corrigan to providing
information to the IRA, that's why it's important. Would
you agree with me on that?
A. If you say so.
Q. I am asking you? 288
A. No, you are saying -- you think it's some very important
things. To me not -- I may not see the importance in it
that you see.
Q. Well, the answer to that then, Mr. Keeley, is: No, I don't 289
agree with you, it's not that important?
A. You don't think it's important?
Q. No, I asked you would you agree with me that it's very 290
important evidence?
A. Everything is important, yes.
Q. So you would agree with me that it is important, is that 291
fair to say?
A. Yes.
Q. As I have said to you, it's important because it is the 292
only alleged evidence purporting to link Owen Corrigan to
passing information to the IRA. Now, I want to tie you
down about the time of this meeting in the car park, the
time as in date. I am not looking for a specific date but
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I want you to identify around what month it was?
A. Sorry, I can't remember what date, what month, so I can't.
Q. Can you remember -- it certainly was 1991, let's start 293
easy, isn't that correct?
A. It would be about a month or so before the first abduction
of Tom Oliver.
Q. Tom Oliver was murdered on the 18th July, 1991, isn't that 294
correct?
A. I can't remember the date. When he was murdered, I wasn't
in the country.
Q. He was murdered on the 18th of July, 1991. From that date, 295
can you try and identify when the meeting in the car park
was?
A. Weeks or a month prior to it.
Q. So we are talking, probably, June 1991? 296
A. A couple of months prior to it, it would have been the
first time.
Q. May? 297
A. Honestly, I can't remember the dates or months. That is
not my thing.
Q. Your evidence to the Chairman is that it was a couple of 298
months --
A. Yeah.
Q. -- before the murder of Tom Oliver? 299
A. Yes.
Q. And Tom Oliver was murdered on the 18th of July, 1991, so 300
can we take it it was April, May or June?
A. It could have been around that, yeah.
Q. That is your evidence, isn't it? 301
A. Yeah.
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Q. It is, OK. What type of a premises was Fintan Callan's 302
Céilí House back in 1991?
A. What type of premises was it?
Q. Yes.303
A. It was on the left-hand side of the road. It was a gravel
car park. I didn't even go into the premises; I just drove
in, stayed in the car park, and 'Mooch' went in.
Q. Had you ever been there before? 304
A. No.
Q. Do you know what type of people frequented it? 305
A. No.
Q. Had you ever heard of it before going -- 306
A. I heard people saying about Fintan Callan's Céilí House,
Irish music, but I am not really a drinker and I don't go
to music sessions.
Q. The evidence is that this was a place where subversive 307
republicans hanged out, would you agree with that?
A. No -- but I don't know. I mean, I only drove out to it and
took 'Mooch' out to the car park.
Q. You had been a member of the IRA based in Dundalk for how 308
many years, in 1991?
A. A few years, yeah.
Q. A few years? 309
A. Yeah, but remember, I am not a drinker, I don't go out
socialising, so why would I be interested in Fintan
Callan's Céilí House.
Q. Is it your evidence to the Chairman that you hadn't heard 310
of Fintan Callan's Céilí House before --
A. I had heard of it, of course I've heard of it. It's like
people going to the Ballymascanlon Hotel, you know. I
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don't go to the 'Ballymac'.
Q. Well, what type of a premises was it? Would you agree that 311
it was a place where subversive republicans hanged out?
A. Well, how can I agree if I've never been to it? Just
because it's Fintan Callan's Céilí House, real Gaelic and
Irish-sounding, doesn't mean that it's a republican -- I
mean, it's not a republican bar. Dundalk, if you had have
said the DB, any of those bars, I knew those were
republican bars because they were used by IRA people in
Dundalk.
Q. Mr. Keeley, you were a British agent, trained by the 312
British Army. Your job was to find out information about
where republicans were frequenting, isn't that so?
A. Well, I would not be with republicans from the area around
Fintan Callan's Céilí House.
Q. So your evidence to the Chairman is, when you were asked to 313
drive out there, you didn't know what type of a premises it
was?
A. Just, it was a pub.
Q. Yes. Are you aware from more recent times what type of a 314
premises it was at the time?
A. Not really. Just recently. Why would I be looking at it?
You know, it's no interest to me.
Q. OK. Did 'Mooch' Blair tell you why he wanted you to drive 315
him out to that pub?
A. Just, he had to meet someone, that was it.
Q. That is all he said to you? 316
A. The thing is, I don't ask -- I have stated on the record,
many times, I never asked questions. If 'Mooch' needed a
driver, I would drive him. If he wanted to go to Dublin,
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Cork or Limerick, I drove him there, as well.
Q. So the Chairman can take it that 'Mooch' Blair approached 317
you one day in May/June 1991, and said, "I need a lift to
Fintan Callan's Céilí House"?
A. No, he wouldn't have said that "I need to go to Fintan
Callan's Céilí House"; he would have got into the car and
told me where to go.
Q. So you didn't know where you were going? 318
A. Not until we got there.
Q. OK. And this was your first time driving there? 319
A. To Fintan Callan's, yes. I have been out that road many
times because Patsy O'Callaghan lived, before it, on a
different road.
Q. When you arrived in the car park, what happened? 320
A. I pulled in, 'Mooch' got out and went into the bar.
Q. How long was he in the bar for? 321
A. Only a few minutes. Came back out again and then he was
followed by Owen Corrigan.
Q. What did Owen Corrigan do? 322
A. He got into the back of the car.
Q. What happened then? 323
A. He was talking to 'Mooch'. I sat looking out the window
and that is when he said about Tom Oliver being caught with
an unlicensed shotgun and was passing information.
Q. Did 'Mooch' introduce you to Owen Corrigan? 324
A. No, he didn't. I was, basically, a shadow sitting there.
I never spoke, never did anything.
Q. You weren't introduced to Corrigan? 325
A. Not introduced, no.
Q. OK. You wrote to Judge Cory on the 9th of September, 2003, 326
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and you stated the following: "On one occasion in the late
1980s" -- and you are wrong about that -- "I was with my
senior IRA commander and another individual in my car. I
knew the other individual to be Garda B" -- that is
Corrigan -- "I was introduced to Garda B. I knew that
Garda B, who was stationed at Dundalk, was passing
information to the Provisional IRA."
Now, which is correct, Mr. Keeley?
A. Well, 'Mooch' didn't say "this is Owen Corrigan". He just
got into the car and started talking to 'Mooch'.
CHAIRMAN: He didn't introduce you?
A. He wouldn't have introduced me, no.
Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: So what you said to Judge Cory is 327
incorrect in that respect?
A. Well, I wasn't introduced as an introduction, no.
Q. When you said to Judge Cory, "I was introduced to Owen 328
Corrigan," you weren't?
A. No, he got into the car.
Q. OK. What did 'Mooch' Blair say when Owen Corrigan was in 329
the car?
A. He listened to what Owen Corrigan had to say about Tom
Oliver, and the meeting only was minutes, and then he got
out, we drove off again, and 'Mooch', on the way back in
the road, says he would blow the f-ing back out of the guy
with an AK.
Q. What did Owen Corrigan say to you about Tom Oliver? 330
A. He didn't say anything to me about Tom Oliver. He was
talking to 'Mooch'.
Q. What did Owen Corrigan say to 'Mooch' Blair about Tom 331
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Oliver?
A. He had passed comment that Owen Corrigan had been caught
with an unlicensed shotgun.
Q. That, sorry?332
A. Tom Oliver.
Q. Tom Oliver had been?333
A. Yeah.
Q. Continue. 334
A. Had been caught with an unlicensed shotgun and was passing
information to the Garda.
Q. You had never been in a situation before with Owen Corrigan 335
where he had provided sensitive information to the IRA,
isn't that so?
A. That is so, yes.
Q. Would you agree with me that it was a reckless thing of 336
Owen Corrigan to have done, to get into a car with yourself
and 'Mooch' Blair and give information, sensitive
information, about Garda operations, would you agree with
that?
A. It would be senseless giving it to anybody, wouldn't it?
But he did do it. I mean, you saying people giving
information. I have sat at meetings where people, they are
not Garda or policemen, give information to the IRA as
well.
Q. You said earlier in your evidence today that Owen 337
Corrigan's point of contact in the IRA was Patsy
O'Callaghan?
A. Yes.
Q. Why didn't you give this information to Patsy O'Callaghan? 338
A. Because I think I have said in the statement, too, that
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Patsy O'Callaghan wasn't available so 'Mooch' went out in
his place.
Q. I have to suggest to you that that is completely 339
implausible, Mr. Keeley.
A. Do you think so? How would it be implausible?
Q. Well, Owen Corrigan, as a guard in An Garda Siochana, you 340
are suggesting that he would get into a car with a
well-known member of the IRA, 'Mooch' Blair, and yourself,
and, having never spoken to you before, he would give
information, confidential sensitive information, about Tom
Oliver, I have to suggest to you that is completely
implausible?
A. Not really, I don't see how it's implausible. If his
contact told him to meet with 'Mooch', he would have felt
quite comfortable with it.
Q. I have to suggest to you it would have been completely 341
reckless behaviour on his part?
A. I think it would be totally reckless for a garda to help
the IRA in any shape or form, wouldn't it?
Q. We have to be fair to the late Tom Oliver in this Tribunal. 342
A. Yes.
Q. There is no evidence that Tom Oliver was an informant, OK? 343
A. Right.
Q. Now, as a result of what Owen Corrigan said to you, there 344
was no doubt but Tom Oliver was going to be murdered, isn't
that correct?
A. If he admitted it, absolutely.
Q. Owen Corrigan at this stage, according to you, was a guard 345
who had provided the IRA with valuable intelligence about
Chief Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan so
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they could be murdered, isn't that so?
A. I have always said that the call came, it was about "our
friend". I didn't say whether he did or not, but that is
what I took it, that it was Owen Corrigan, yes.
Q. And you and the IRA, according to your evidence, believed 346
that Owen Corrigan had provided the valuable information
that led to the murder of the two RUC officers, isn't that
correct?
A. When I heard "our friend" was part of that, that is who I
believed yesterday.
Q. As you said yesterday, sure it was the worst-kept secret? 347
A. In the unit.
Q. In that unit. So everyone in the IRA thought this guard 348
was reliable in providing information to the IRA?
A. He would have been, yes.
Q. And you have also given evidence that, at this stage, Owen 349
Corrigan had provided a tip-off in respect of Omeath, isn't
that so?
A. He had helped in Omeath. He didn't give a tip-off.
Q. Yes. So this was a reliable source of information for the 350
IRA, isn't that correct?
A. He would have been taken as it, yes.
Q. So when he gave information about Tom Oliver, you believed 351
it?
A. It was there. I mean, why would I not believe it?
Q. Of course, because you had to believe it, there was a 352
reliable mole, this was a reliable source of information,
isn't that correct?
A. Yeah, you would take it that, yes.
Q. As a result of what Owen Corrigan said to you in the car -- 353
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A. He said to 'Mooch', not me.
Q. You were in the car, he said it to the IRA -- as a result 354
of that, there was no doubt but that Tom Oliver was going
to be murdered?
A. No, he would have been arrested. The thing is, sir, when
the IRA arrest someone they suspect of being an informer,
what actually happens is, and it is usually their rule, is
if that person doesn't break down and admit it, nothing
happens to them, and that has happened a few times when
people get arrested by the IRA, get interrogated and do get
released, and, if the proof is not there for them, the
rules state that they can't kill them. I know there have
been incidents where people have been put down holes and
disappeared, but the main rule with the IRA: if they do
not admit it, you can't touch them.
Q. What was Owen Corrigan wearing when he got into the car 355
with you?
A. Clothes.
Q. What type of clothes? 356
A. Clothes worn by a man.
Q. And was he wearing Garda clothes? 357
A. No, sir, he was in ordinary civilian clothes. I don't know
the colour of his shoes, either.
Q. I want to say this to you, Mr. Keeley, and I haven't said 358
it before to a witness. In respect of the evidence you are
giving about Owen Corrigan, and in particular the evidence
about Fintan Callan's Céilí House, you have revealed
yourself in this Tribunal as a pathological liar. Would
you like to comment on that?
A. That is your view on that, sir.
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Q. Do you disagree on that? 359
A. I do disagree, yeah.
Q. And fortunately, we can verify that you are a pathological 360
liar.
A. Right.
Q. And let me tell you why: Owen Corrigan went on certified 361
sick-leave from An Garda Siochana on the 4th of December,
1989, some 20 months before Tom Oliver was murdered?
A. Right.
Q. It was well before you say he gave this sensitive 362
information to 'Mooch' Blair?
A. Right.
Q. After going on sick-leave on the 4th of December, 1989, he 363
was totally unavailable to An Garda Siochana in 1990 and
1991, and he subsequently retired from the Force on the 4th
of February, '92.
A. Right.
Q. He had no access to any Garda information about such 364
sensitive matters as who or was or was not informing.
A. Right.
Q. What do you say to that? 365
A. I mean, you are saying that is stating fact. I am stating
a fact of what actually happened. Just because he had no
official access to information, doesn't say he couldn't get
it or didn't know it from before. I don't know.
Q. How could he have got it? 366
A. I don't know. You tell me.
Q. Mr. Keeley, you are the person giving evidence to this 367
Tribunal.
A. He could have got it through a colleague or anything else,
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or a friend. I don't know. He may have known it before he
went on sick-leave, I don't know.
Q. So is it your evidence -- I thought you said what he had 368
said in the car was that Tom Oliver -- what did he say
about the shotgun?
A. He had been caught with an unlicensed shotgun. He didn't
say when.
Q. OK. So are you suggesting that Owen Corrigan gave evidence 369
about Tom Oliver being caught with a shotgun licence some
twenty months --
A. Not with a shotgun licence. An unlicensed shotgun.
Q. An unlicensed shotgun?370
A. Yeah.
Q. Is that what you are trying to suggest?371
A. I don't know when. I don't know when he found that out.
That is what he had said, yes.
Q. When you and 'Mooch' met him in the car, did you believe he 372
was a serving member of An Garda Siochana?
A. I believed he was still serving. I had no reason to know
any different. I mean, I had no contact with Garda
Corrigan.
Q. How do you explain this insurmountable problem to your 373
story?
A. What do you mean, how do I explain it? I didn't know he
had left the Garda or was on the sick. I wouldn't need to.
I had no contact with the Garda at any time. You know, he
wasn't my contact, so I had no reason to, you know, think,
is he still in the police? Is he not? There had been UDR
men in Newry had been shot dead something like six or eight
years after they had left the Force because people thought
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they were still in it.
Q. Mr. Keeley, how do you explain this insurmountable obstacle 374
to your account that Owen Corrigan was giving sensitive
Garda information in May or June 1991? Give an
explanation?
A. Well, to me, I still thought he was in the Guards. I have
no reason to think he wasn't in the Guards.
Q. He was out of the Guards on sick-leave from the 4th of 375
December, 1989; he had no involvement with An Garda
Siochana at that time.
A. Sure I wouldn't know that, would I?
Q. I know, but do you not realise that it builds a hole in 376
your whole story?
A. No, sir, I don't think it does.
Q. Sure how could he have gained access to this information? 377
A. How could I gain access on people in the IRA even though I
had left the IRA maybe two or three years beforehand and
was still able to get them arrested?
Q. Why are you making up lies about -- 378
A. I am not making up lies, sir.
Q. You are. You know you are. 379
A. I am not, sir.
Q. I know you are. 380
A. Well, that is your opinion, if you think I am, but I am
telling you now I am not.
Q. And what have you got against Owen Corrigan? Are you using 381
him to advance what could be your own legitimate grievance
against former British employers?
A. Sir, I have no grievance with Owen Corrigan or anything
else. My legal case against British employers, I don't see
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how this will forward it in any way whatsoever. I am going
through the courts with my legal team against my former
employers. This will not benefit me one piece.
Q. Do you get prominence for this, Mr. Keeley? 382
A. Prominence, why would I want prominence?
Q. Why do you write a book? 383
A. That was many years ago.
Q. Yes. 384
A. Yes.
Q. Why did you -- 385
A. What would I gain -- how would I gain the prominence for
being here for this? Go on, tell me.
Q. One of the answers -- an answer to that was given by one of 386
the RUC officers, "attention-seeking ego". You are a
fantasist, you are a liar.
A. No, sir, I am not.
Q. You are, Mr. Keeley, and what you have done to my client -- 387
A. If that is the case, I would be in the newspapers every
day.
Q. Sure you are in the newspapers. I have cuttings here of 388
newspapers, of fantastic stories you have told.
A. But how many years ago?
Q. From 2004. There are fantastic stories out there, 389
Mr. Keeley.
A. Yeah, it's --
Q. You went to Mr. Donaldson, you gave him this information - 390
gullibly, he swallowed it - and you have got yourself
prominence as a result of that, isn't that so?
A. No, sir, I don't agree with that at all. I don't want
prominence.
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Q. When you heard Owen Corrigan pass on this information about 391
Tom Oliver, what did you do?
A. I drove 'Mooch' back to Dundalk.
Q. When did you report this significant intelligence to your 392
employers?
A. It would have been reported shortly after it and again then
in -- again in another debrief, after that, with MI5, it
was mentioned then as well.
Q. At the time, is what I am interested in? 393
A. I can't remember who I gave it to --
Q. Would it have been shortly after this alleged incident? 394
A. No, it would have been a while after it. I just never
bothered with it.
Q. You never bothered with it? 395
A. No.
Q. This is crucial information about a member of An Garda 396
Siochana tipping off the IRA in order that they could
murder a decent man from County Louth, and you did nothing
about it?
A. There is nothing I could do about it.
Q. You could have tipped off your employers, your handlers. 397
Why didn't you tell your handlers about it?
A. They were told a while after it, so they were.
Q. How long afterwards? 398
A. I can't remember how long afterwards.
Q. A week? 399
A. I can't --
Q. A month? 400
A. I can't remember how long after it.
Q. You can't remember how long after it? 401
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A. No.
Q. What was the name of the handler? Do you know the name of 402
the handler to whom you reported?
A. No. I can remember one of the debriefs, the people that
were present at that.
Q. I am asking you can you remember -- 403
A. Yeah, but I'm just after telling you I can remember the
debrief and some of the handlers there, yeah.
Q. I'll ask his name. Can you remember the name of the 404
handler to whom you reported this information afterwards?
A. Afterwards, yeah. I can give you a couple of names.
Q. Write down the names and give them to the Chairman. And 405
you are stating you've told these people in the period
after this information was given to you in Fintan Callan's
Céilí House?
A. They would have got it after that and then after his death.
Q. How long after it?406
A. I can't remember how long after it.
Q. Are we talking months? 407
A. I can't remember how long. Sorry.
Q. Did you tell them before he was murdered? 408
A. No, because he wasn't murdered at that time.
Q. I know, but did you tell -- you were told this a number of 409
months before Mr. Oliver was murdered?
A. Yeah.
Q. Did you tell your handlers, before Mr. Oliver was murdered, 410
what had been said to you?
A. No, I told them afterwards.
Q. What use was that to Mr. Oliver? 411
A. When I had left the country, Mr. Oliver was still alive.
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Q. Write down those names. 412
A. There is another one, I can't think of his name.
Q. Now, when you gave this information to your handlers, did 413
they not say to you, "That can't be right, Corrigan isn't
working actively for the Guards any more"?
A. No.
Q. Were they not outraged by the actions of Detective Sergeant 414
Corrigan?
A. No.
Q. Did they do anything, that you are aware of, to tip off the 415
Irish authorities or the RUC about the actions of Detective
Sergeant Corrigan?
A. Not that I know of. Some of the people I told after at the
debrief were RUC, some of them were MI5.
Q. And so you told RUC people about this meeting -- 416
A. Afterwards.
Q. Afterwards?417
A. Yeah.
Q. How long afterwards? 418
A. It would have been after I came back from Paris.
Q. OK. We will come on to Paris in due course. That is an 419
interesting topic. Your evidence and your statement is
that Tom Oliver was abducted twice, isn't that so?
A. He was abducted once when I was there, and then when I was
in Paris he was killed.
Q. You state in your statement that you are "very surprised to 420
learn that no evidence of his first abduction can be
found."
A. Yes.
Q. And, to this day, no one can establish any evidence about 421
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Tom Oliver's first abduction, isn't that so?
A. Well, so yous have said, but I know he was abducted.
Q. Yes. Oh, he was abducted and the man was murdered. 422
A. Not the first time, he wasn't.
Q. Well, I have to suggest to you that if 'Mooch' Blair had 423
said in the car with Owen Corrigan -- or with you, after
Owen Corrigan left, that "I am going to blow his back out,"
that Tom Oliver's death sentence had already been signed?
A. No, because as I said before, sir, a lot of people are
abducted and don't get shot. I have been, not abducted,
but I've been interrogated by Internal Security and not
been shot. That happened me twice, because I never broke
down. 'Mooch' Blair had actually been abducted by Internal
Security as well, who they believed he was an informant at
one time. He didn't break down, so he wasn't shot.
Q. This is different, Mr. Keeley, because information had, 424
according to you, been given about Tom Oliver by a trusted
Garda mole, isn't that so?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. So I have to suggest to you that if what you say is correct 425
and that Owen Corrigan had provided information to the IRA
about Tom Oliver informing, that Tom Oliver was a dead man?
A. No, sir, not unless he admitted to the IRA. That is the
thing, you have to admit to them or they have to have
direct evidence. There is no direct evidence there. They
would have abducted, him, quizzed him. He was abducted
once before and he was released. He didn't admit anything.
I was in Paris when I heard then on the news that he had
been shot dead.
Q. Your evidence is that Tom Oliver was abducted. You played 426
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a role in his abduction?
A. I was a driver of the van, yes.
Q. Yes. After that, he was released; he wasn't shot on that 427
occasion?
A. Yes, yes.
Q. After that, you went to Paris? 428
A. Yes.
Q. And when you were in Paris, you heard that Tom Oliver was 429
murdered?
A. I think I was still in Paris when he was murdered, yes, so
I wasn't there when he was murdered, yes.
Q. Yes. A complete lie, Mr. Keeley. 430
A. Is it?
Q. And let me tell you why, and do you know who informs me 431
that it's a complete lie?
A. Who?
Q. You do. 432
A. How?
Q. Because in your book, you state the following, at page 158: 433
"I shrugged off their disapproval and in August 1991 headed
out to Paris." So you are telling us, in your book, that
you headed out to Paris in August 1991 after Tom Oliver was
murdered on the 18th of July, 1991.
A. I think, sir, you will find I am on record as saying there
is a lot of inaccuracies in the book. The dates would be
one of them.
Q. Mr. Keeley, there is a lot of inaccuracies in everything 434
that you say. Can you explain to the Chairman why it is in
the book that you tell your readers you went out to Paris
in August 1991 and you are trying to suggest to the
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Chairman here that you went out to Paris before Tom
Oliver's murder on the 18th of July, '91?
A. Well, sir, I was out in Paris before Tom Oliver was
murdered, and I will now go and try to get the actual dates
of the company when I was in Paris.
Q. I want to suggest to you that there were not two abductions 435
of Tom Oliver, do you agree with that?
A. Well, you are saying that. I say there was one abduction
where I was there and the second one when he was killed.
Q. I want to suggest to you that the reason you are telling 436
this Tribunal that you were in Paris at the time of Tom
Oliver's murder, is because you are trying to distance
yourself from Tom Oliver's murder?
A. No, sir, I wasn't here when Tom Oliver was murdered.
Definitely not.
Q. I want to state to you and ask for your comment upon it, 437
Mr. Keeley, that you were part of the team of thugs that
murdered Tom Oliver?
A. No, sir, I was not part of the team of thugs that murdered
Tom Oliver. I was not present.
Q. Yes. Well, let's read out to the public what you state in 438
your statement about your involvement in Tom Oliver's
abduction, and it's at page 13 of your statement. This is
what you say, and it wasn't read out yesterday:
"We pulled into the Ballymascanlon car park. There were
two cars there. I got out of the van and got into one of
the cars with the guy from Cooley and they all got into the
van and told us to wait outside a phone box on the opposite
side of the road from the hotel. The others went on to
arrest Oliver. At this stage, I didn't know him. While we
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were sitting chatting, we noticed the Border Patrol of the
Garda and there was an army jeep with them. They pulled in
behind us. The guy with me says, we have to get our
stories straight. I was to say I was giving out a price
for painting his house. The guard came to the window and
took all the details. We were very nervous because we were
expecting the team to come up behind us. They were all
armed. Luckily, the guards took our details and drove off,
and about three minutes later the boys came with the van
and they had a guy tied up in the back like a chicken.
They went into the Ballymascanlon and dropped them off. I
got into the van with 'Mooch' and then drove this person in
the back out to Kingscourt."
A. Yes.
Q. "He must have been wearing Wellingtons because there was 439
one Wellington boot left in the van."
Mr. Keeley, you have described there probably the last
moments of Tom Oliver's life?
A. No, sir, that is not the last moments of Tom Oliver's life.
Q. And, Mr. Keeley, the evidence you have given there and the 440
fact that your book says you only went to Paris after his
murder, suggests completely that you were involved in that
poor man's murder?
A. No, sir, I was not involved in the man's murder. He was
not murdered at that time. The date in the book must be
wrong. Yeah, as I am saying, there is inaccuracies in
dates in the book.
Q. So the date in the book is wrong? 441
A. Yeah.
Q. Here is something else you state in the book: You state 442
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that, after you arrived in Eurodisney, that about two weeks
into your contract, you heard that the Sunday Express ran a
story?
A. Yeah.
Q. What did that story say? 443
A. The headline was "IRA Gangs in Eurodisney."
Q. And what did it recount? 444
A. Just, they named myself, Joe Hawkey and some -- one of the
Gillans from Belfast. They are two Belfast men. It
described me as a prominent provisional from Newry.
Q. OK, OK. 445
A. And the story was by Barry Penrose, who worked for The
Sunday Times, and is an MI5 asset.
CHAIRMAN: Sorry, I didn't catch that?
A. An MI5 asset, he is an asset for MI5.
Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: OK. Put a date on this Sunday Express 446
story?
A. I can't put a date on it. It was there when I was in
Eurodisney because I got a call from a family member.
Q. I haven't got that Sunday Express article yet, but I assure 447
you --
A. Oh, it does exist.
Q. Oh, it does. But I want to raise something with you 448
because I think you have your dates wrong, and, again, the
effect of this is that you are around this country when Tom
Oliver was murdered. Did you ever hear of a website called
Newshound?
A. Yes.
Q. You are aware that somebody tried to assassinate Joe 449
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Haughey, are you?
A. I am, yeah, yeah.
Q. An account of that appeared on the website Newshound. Let 450
me just read out to you what it says. It says: "On the
16th of June, 1991..." Just pause on that date for a
second. The 16th of June, 1991, that is a month before Tom
Oliver was murdered. "... Joe Haughey was returning to his
Unity Walk home when loyalist gunmen opened fire from a
passing Sierra car. Having missed their target, the gunmen
then chased Haughey into the then-Unity Flats complex and
opened fire again. He was hit in the arm. The shooting
came just a year after a British newspaper named Haughey as
an IRA intelligence officer and claimed he got a job at
Eurodisney. He was later paid off by a construction
company."
Now, if that is correct, you were out working for
Eurodisney in June 1990?
A. Well, the dates, I am not sure on, but, as I say, I will go
and look up the dates.
Q. Yes. But again, puts you in Ireland at the time Tom Oliver 451
was murdered?
A. No, sure I wasn't here when he got murdered.
Q. Because you are quite categoric in your statement and in 452
your evidence, you say you learned about Tom Oliver's
murder through the newspapers which were brought out to you
in Paris?
A. No, I had heard about it when I was out in Paris.
Q. Yes. Through the newspapers? 453
A. And people telling me as well.
Q. Sorry, did you hear about it through the newspapers? 454
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A. I could have, yes.
Q. OK. Well, let me just point to you what you've stated in 455
your statement, Mr. Keeley. You say, at page 15 of your
statement: "After that abduction" -- what you claim is the
first abduction -- "I wanted to back off. I took a job and
went to work in Eurodisney in Paris. I got the local
papers sent over to me and it was in these papers that I
learned that Tom Oliver had been shot dead. This could
have been in 1991, but I am not sure. It was a few weeks
after the conversation between 'Mooch' Blair and Owen
Corrigan that the first abduction took place."
Mr. Keeley, you are not telling the truth about the time
you were in Eurodisney; why not?
A. The date, I can't remember the exact date. What year was
it in - the early '90s?
Q. Well, you are the person who was there. 456
A. Yes.
Q. But the only thing you are specific about to this Chairman 457
is that you say you are absolutely certain that when Tom
Oliver was murdered --
A. I wasn't here.
Q. -- you were in Eurodisney? 458
A. I am positive I was in Eurodisney, and I was not involved
in his murder.
Q. OK. And, of course, the benefit of that, from your point 459
of view, is that if you were in Eurodisney, you couldn't
have been involved in this heinous murder?
A. No, but I wasn't involved in this heinous murder, sir.
Q. I have to suggest to you, Mr. Keeley, that the detail you 460
recount in your statement is the detail of the murder of
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Tom Oliver?
A. Well, I wouldn't know the details of his murder because I
wasn't there, but, I mean, have you got a report of the
details of that murder?
Q. I have a report from you. 461
A. No, no, but have you a report from the guards that can
detail where he was taken, or whatever?
Q. Mr. Keeley, I am talking about you and your involvement. 462
A. I was not involved in his murder.
Q. You had him tied up in the back of a van like a chicken, 463
Mr. Keeley.
A. On the first abduction, he was tied up like that, yes.
Q. And you are the man who has the nerve to put out a book 464
called, modestly, 'Unsung Hero - How I Saved Dozens of
Lives as a Secret Agent inside the IRA', and you drove a
man, who was tied up like a chicken in the back of your
van, to his murder?
A. Number one, I did not pick the title of the book and, no, I
did not drive Tom Oliver to his murder. Yeah, I had no
involvement in that murder, sir.
Q. You also claim in your statement that, prior to the murder 465
of Tom Oliver, you were involved in the IRA's Internal
Security Unit, is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Back to the book. In the book, at page 161, you state that 466
after your return from Eurodisney, that you were given a
promotion and that you were put into the Internal Security
Unit?
A. I didn't write the book, so, factually, they could have got
their dates wrong, sir.
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Q. When you say "they," who are you talking about? 467
A. There is two ghost writers, Ian Gallagher and Jim Nally.
They wrote the book.
Q. I now want to take you to the events of the 20th of March, 468
1989, when Chief Superintendent Breen and Superintendent
Buchanan were murdered. It's correct to say, I think, that
you have no direct knowledge as to whether or not Owen
Corrigan was involved in their murders?
A. Well, I was told, as you are rightly aware, that it was
"our friend," and I took that to be Owen Corrigan, yes.
Q. So I am correct, you have no direct knowledge? 469
A. No, I have no direct knowledge, no, and I wasn't involved
in that murder, either.
Q. Yes. Your evidence is that you assume or you speculate 470
that Owen Corrigan was involved, isn't that correct?
A. That is correct, yes.
Q. And just so as we can recount, your evidence is that on the 471
20th of March, 1989, you were in 'Mooch' Blair's house?
A. House in Dundalk, yes.
Q. Tell us what happened? 472
A. It was just we were in the house, we would have been
talking about stuff, and Mickey came over, reports coming
in there has been a shooting, and then we found out that it
was the police, and this is when it was said "our friend,"
so that is why I took it that it was "our friend," Owen
Corrigan.
Q. Just take it slowly, Mr. Keeley. You are in 'Mooch' 473
Blair's house?
A. Yes.
Q. What time of the day is this at? 474
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A. I would have been there most of the day.
Q. What time did Mickey Collins come over? 475
A. I didn't look at a watch.
Q. Morning? 476
A. Listen, you are trying to pin down. I don't know what
colour his shoes were, either.
Q. I am not asking you the colour of his shoes. 477
A. No, but I am only saying I didn't look at a watch in the
house there.
Q. Mickey Collins came over to 'Mooch' Blair's house, but you 478
don't know at what time?
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Q. What did Mickey Collins say to you? 479
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there in the room as well. Just about reports coming in of
a shooting. And we later found out it was two police
officers.
Q. OK. Let's take it slowly, Mr. Keeley. So he starts by 480
stating there are reports coming in of a shooting?
A. Yeah.
Q. And then there is a pause after that for a period of time, 481
is that correct?
A. No, later on he would have come over and told us and then
he would have said that is "our friend".
Q. So Mickey Collins comes into 'Mooch' Blair's house and 482
tells you there are reports coming in about a shooting. He
then leaves?
A. And then he came back at another time and said -- gave the
details, "our friend" was involved, yeah.
Q. OK. So he comes back later that day, is that correct? 483
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A. Later. I don't know at what time.
Q. And what does he say when he comes back? 484
CHAIRMAN: Can you give -- I mean, generally, people can
arrange to give a time relating to meals. It wasn't at
breakfast time --
A. No, no, it wasn't breakfast or dinner. It would be late
afternoon, early teatime.
CHAIRMAN: Very well.
Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: So Mickey Collins then comes back a 485
second time, Mr. Keeley, is that correct?
A. He would have been back over again later.
Q. Just don't do "would have been". You are the person who is 486
giving us this evidence, so be specific. If you don't
remember, you don't remember.
A. At this moment in time, I just don't remember.
Q. But you think that Mickey Collins comes back a second time 487
and tells you that the incident was the killing of two RUC
officers?
A. Yes.
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the friend?
A. "Our friend," yes.
Q. And what words did he use? 489
A. Just, it was "our friend" helped out.
Q. That is all he said? 490
A. Something like that, yeah.
Q. OK. And -- 491
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A. I took it to be Owen Corrigan.
Q. OK. He didn't mention Owen Corrigan? 492
A. Not by name, no, no, no.
Q. He didn't mention that Owen Corrigan had seen the officers 493
in the station?
A. No, he didn't say that.
Q. He didn't say that? 494
A. No, no.
Q. OK. This is what you said to Judge Cory: "I was in 495
Dundalk on the day of the ambush of Superintendent Buchanan
and Chief Superintendent Breen. I am aware that, after the
ambush took place, my senior IRA commander" -- presumably,
'Mooch' Blair --
A. Yes.
Q. -- "was told by a member of PIRA" -- presumably, Mickey 496
Collins -- "that Garda B had telephoned to the Provisional
IRA to tell them that officers Breen and Buchanan were at
the Dundalk Station."
A. No, well that wouldn't be totally correct, no.
Q. OK. In your statement to Judge Cory, there are two 497
substantive paragraphs, the one about Fintan Callan's Céilí
House and this one here. You are now stating that what you
said to Judge Cory is incorrect?
A. I can't remember it totally. If you are saying that is
what is written down on the statement --
Q. Yes, that's incorrect? 498
A. It's not totally correct.
Q. Yes, it's incorrect, you have said it already? 499
A. Yes.
Q. Why did you mislead Judge Cory? 500
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A. I would not have purposely misled Judge Cory, sir.
Q. You agree that he was misled? 501
A. Well, thinking back now, I couldn't remember the statement
I've made, it's so many years ago.
Q. But, sorry, your evidence here is completely different to 502
what you told Judge Cory, isn't that so?
A. Well, it's -- yeah.
Q. Why did you mislead Judge Cory?503
A. I didn't purposely mislead Judge Cory.
Q. You agree that he was misled by you? 504
A. No, I am not saying that he was misled. If I've stated
that on the statement, that is what it said, but from what
I can remember now, years later, that is what I made the
statement here, yes.
Q. Well, your evidence is what is relevant, Mr. Keeley. Your 505
evidence yesterday and today is that the only thing that
was said to you by Mickey Collins was "our friend helped
out in the operation".
A. Yeah, yeah.
Q. You didn't say that to Judge Cory. You told Judge Cory 506
that you had this information that Owen Corrigan had seen
the officers at the station and he'd given that information
and you'd been told it was Owen Corrigan?
A. That is what I had took, yes.
Q. Yes. And that is completely inconsistent with what you 507
have told this Tribunal, do you agree?
A. Well, I said -- "our friend," I took, was Owen Corrigan.
Q. Yes.508
A. Yes.
Q. You don't even mention "our friend" in your statement to 509
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Judge Cory, do you?
A. No. As you said, I named him by name in that one.
Q. Yes. In your statement to Judge Cory, you state that your 510
"senior IRA commander was told by a member of PIRA that
Owen Corrigan had telephoned to the Provisional IRA to tell
them that officers Breen and Buchanan were at the Dundalk
Station." Where did you get that information from, since
it wasn't given to you on the day of the murders?
A. That would have been at a later date talking with 'Mooch',
because, remember, in the same -- one of the statements
where I was already told, after the operation, that the
intention was to capture the two officers alive and take
all their papers and that every road was covered. We
didn't know that at the exact time, either.
Q. You are now raising a new issue that the Tribunal and I 511
haven't heard of before, that, at a later date, 'Mooch'
Blair allegedly told you --
A. Or at a later time, yeah, 'Mooch' would have said that,
yeah.
Q. When was that said? 512
A. It could have been late that night or the next day.
Q. I have to suggest to you, Mr. Keeley, that, once again, you 513
are telling lies?
A. No, sir, I am not.
Q. But you believe that this is correct, what was said to 514
Judge Cory, do you?
A. I believe the main part of it -- yeah, that is correct,
yeah, even the account that it was "our friend," Owen
Corrigan, yes.
Q. And you believe that what happened and how these RUC 515
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officers were set up was that Owen Corrigan spotted them
when they were at the station?
A. That is what I believe.
Q. Yes. And that he phoned the Provisional IRA to tell 516
them --
A. He would have told, more than likely, Patsy O'Callaghan
and --
Q. And that is how this whole operation was sorted out? 517
A. Possibly, yes.
Q. Are you aware that the two RUC officers arrived in Dundalk 518
Station at ten past two on the day of the murders?
A. No, I wasn't aware of that.
Q. Are you aware that they left the Garda station at 519
twenty-five past three on the day of the murders?
A. No, I wasn't aware of that.
Q. So, according to your analysis, Owen Corrigan would have 520
had to have seen them between those times and reported to
the Provisional IRA, isn't that so?
A. Yes.
Q. So the Provisional IRA operation on the day must have 521
started after ten past two?
A. If you say that is the times and they are correct, yeah.
Q. You are the double agent. 522
A. I am the double agent, but I am the person just picked up
the information. I did not go and investigate it or look
at it and I was not part of it.
Q. You are an intelligent man, Mr. Keeley. 523
A. I am not actually, no.
Q. Well, my assessment of you is that you are. But you have 524
stated that the RUC -- or, sorry, the RUC officers arrived
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at ten past two. On your analysis, Corrigan must have
tipped off the IRA after ten past two?
A. Well, he couldn't have tipped them off before it, could he,
unless he knew there was a meeting on.
Q. Yeah, he couldn't have tipped them off?525
A. Unless he knew there was a meeting on, yeah.
Q. You have said in your statement that he saw them at the 526
station?
A. Yes.
Q. You have said in your statement to Judge Cory?527
A. Yeah.
Q. So he saw them at the station, is what you believe? 528
A. That is what I believe, yeah.
Q. How do you -- who did he phone? 529
A. The only person I know that he would have phoned would have
been Patsy O'Callaghan, because that was his contact.
Q. Do you think if the IRA were informed that -- or if Patsy 530
O'Callaghan informed at, say, quarter past two, that the
officers were in the station, that the IRA would have been
able to mount and launch an operation that was carried out
at ten to four?
A. Not at that short a notice, no.
Q. It's just not possible? 531
A. I think it's very short notice, yeah.
Q. And would you agree with me it's just not possible? 532
A. They would have to have known well in advance to make
advance plans and, you know, you'd need to know what day
they are coming up. You know, I don't think anybody
spotting them there, and then, just on a wing and a prayer,
could get that amount of people together. I don't think
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it's possible, no. Not to cover every road, that is what I
was told, every road was covered by IRA units.
Q. If evidence was given that the IRA operation on the morning 533
started at half past eleven, that would have given them
sufficient time, wouldn't it?
A. From half eleven in the morning, yeah.
Q. Yes. Are you aware what time the IRA operation started? 534
A. No, I had no part in it so I would have no knowledge of it
at all, sir.
MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Chairman, there is a matter that I
probably should just mention to your counsel before we
proceed, and maybe if you wouldn't mind, Chairman, could we
rise now? There is just an issue as to evidence that has
been given to the Tribunal and as to whether or not it
could be put to the witness.
CHAIRMAN: Certainly, I think this would be appropriate.
We would normally be rising in about eight minutes, so I
might as well rise now until after lunch, and if you
continue with your cross-examination then.
MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Yes. Thank you, Chairman.
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THE TRIBUNAL CONTINUED AFTER LUNCH AS FOLLOWS:
CHAIRMAN: Right, Mr. O'Callaghan, if you want to begin.
MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Thank you, Chairman.
Good afternoon, Mr. Keeley.
A. Good afternoon.
Q. Mr. Keeley, before lunch we were talking about the fact 535
that the deceased RUC officers arrived in Dundalk Garda
Station at ten past two?
A. Yes.
Q. And they left the station at 3:25, isn't that correct? 536
A. Yeah.
Q. And you have stated that it is your belief that Owen 537
Corrigan saw them at the station and that he tipped off the
IRA about their presence there, isn't that correct?
A. Yeah.
Q. And your basis for that is just your own assumption, 538
really, isn't that so?
A. That was -- what were the conversations, yeah.
Q. The Tribunal has heard evidence that the British Army has 539
information that the IRA operation on the ground on the
20th of March, 1989, started at 11:30 a.m.?
A. Right.
Q. What do you think of that? 540
A. Well, if you are saying they have evidence of that, well,
you know...
Q. Would you agree with me that if that evidence is correct, 541
that Mr. Corrigan couldn't have tipped off the IRA after
ten past two that afternoon?
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A. Well, let's see the evidence. I mean, you can't say that
he couldn't have, you know. I mean, my view would be the
IRA couldn't conduct an operation of that scale in a very,
very short period of time, you know.
Q. I understand and I appreciate what you are stating there. 542
I am, however, asking you something slightly different,
which is that if there was evidence that the British Army
had information that the IRA on the ground were -- and the
British Army, as you are aware, has means of identifying --
A. Oh, absolutely.
Q. Isn't that correct? 543
A. Yes, they would have, yes.
Q. And if the British Army have that evidence, indicating that 544
the operation of the IRA started at 11:30 a.m., then it
would mean that the operation had started before the
officers ever arrived in Dundalk?
A. Well, it seems to me what you are saying, that they had
information that maybe those officers were going to come to
the place, yeah.
Q. Just deal with specifically what I am asking you, 545
Mr. Keeley.
A. Right.
Q. If the British Army had information that the operation 546
launched by the IRA commenced at 11:30 a.m. that morning,
isn't it correct that that would mean that Mr. Corrigan
wasn't the cause of the officers being attacked when he saw
them in the station at ten past two?
A. Let's go to other things. I have been on IRA operations
where you know where an army patrol comes down a certain
street every day or some days at such a time, but sometimes
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you need a trigger-person to give you the heads-up, you
know, when they are coming. I am just saying you know they
use a certain street, so what you do is you put your
trigger-man out, or your dicker as the army would call
them, and your dicker gives you the heads-up of when they
are coming, and then you do your job. If you know people
are going to a certain place at certain times, you know,
you still need your dicker to give you the heads-up that
the target is coming.
Q. And isn't that the likely way that the IRA launched this 547
attack on the two officers, that they kept them under
observation and maybe they did have dickers, as you call
them, around, notifying?
A. It is quite possible, I don't know. I was not part of that
operation, I know nothing about it.
Q. Okay. But you don't know that Owen Corrigan tipped off the 548
Provisional IRA, sure you don't?
A. Well, from the conversation with Mickey Collins, and that,
I said that is what I assumed, it is "our friend," yeah.
Q. You assumed that? 549
A. Do I have actual evidence? Of course not.
Q. Okay. That is an important admission, Mr. Keeley. In 550
terms of the point that I was making about the British Army
evidence, however, is it not the case that if the operation
had started at half eleven, that the IRA were waiting for
these men as and from half eleven in the morning?
A. If that is what they were waiting on. I mean, I don't
know, I have never heard of it or seen it.
Q. If that was the case, you would accept that, that the IRA 551
were waiting?
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A. You would have to look at that, wouldn't you? I mean, I
don't know, I haven't seen --
Q. I know you haven't, but, from your experience, you would 552
agree with me that that would indicate that maybe,
actually, there wasn't a tip-off from the Garda station?
A. Well, the way you are speaking there, I would nearly think
did the IRA know they were going to come down that day.
Q. You may -- 553
A. I mean, the IRA would not sit out -- I mean, it wouldn't be
my experience that the IRA would sit in a border road, or
somewhere, waiting for an army patrol to come with a
landmine on the off-chance hoping that they came. They
would have to know, you know, they come this way or they
should be coming today, you know. You wouldn't sit out,
waiting. Number one, it puts volunteers, IRA volunteers,
at risk, great risk of getting caught, shot dead, you know.
The IRA just don't do that, you know. You would have to
have some sort of information that, you know, this is going
to happen, or whatever, before you would do it -- sorry.
Q. But it is the case, Mr. Keeley, you don't know how this 554
operation was launched by the IRA?
A. No, I wasn't there, I wasn't part of it.
Q. Do you suggest that Owen Corrigan was handled by 555
Mr. Freddie Scappaticci?
A. No, I don't. I have never said that.
Q. Ian Hurst, are you aware of who he is? 556
A. I am indeed, yes.
Q. He has stated that in a statement to this Tribunal which he 557
has put on the Internet. He is wrong about that, is he?
A. I haven't seen his statement.
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Q. I am not going to open all the statement of him to you, but 558
it is on the Internet, and he says on it that Freddie
Scappaticci was Mr. Owen Corrigan's handler. You never
heard of that in all your time?
A. No, no. Patrick O'Callaghan was.
Q. Okay. You also stated in your statement that the IRA 559
planned to abduct and interrogate the two RUC officers?
A. Yeah.
Q. From whom did you hear this? 560
A. 'Mooch'.
Q. When did he tell you this? 561
A. After the incident had happened and then -- sorry, go on.
Q. How long afterwards, sorry? 562
A. It would have been in days, because then the IRA issued a
statement to their own volunteers, because, I mean, it was
big news that they had captured the books, you know, of the
police officers and they had worked out the codes, and it
gave informants' names, and it would have scared everybody.
Q. And is it your evidence that the IRA did actually seize the 563
officers' notebooks containing names of informers in code?
A. That was what we were led to believe. I don't know whether
they did or not. I wasn't part of the operation.
Q. You don't know whether that happened? 564
A. I don't know whether it happened. Of course I don't.
Q. But the only reason I ask you is, because in The Observer 565
article on the 14th of November, 2004, this is what
Mr. McDonald says about what you said to him. He says:
"Fulton claims that the murders of Breen and Buchanan on
the main Dublin to Belfast road was a major coup for the
IRA because the hit-squad involved seized the officers'
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notebooks containing names of informers in code."
Did you say that to Mr. McDonald?
A. Maybe not in those words. I might have told him what I was
actually told. He edited and produced his own story.
Q. So you think he got that wrong?566
A. Well, I mean, I have never seen the books, but the IRA did
tell people, their own IRA people, that they had got the
names. They gave them an amnesty to come forward and they
wouldn't be shot dead. So whether any people did come
forward, I don't know.
Q. Now, after you received this information on the 20th of 567
March, 1989, and your supposition was that Owen Corrigan
had provided the tip-off, to whom did you report that?
A. I remember telling it to a mixture of MI5, there was army
and police would have been at a meeting.
Q. Could you write down the names of the people -- 568
A. It would have been the same people.
CHAIRMAN: The same people you have already given me the
names of?
A. Yes.
Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: And when did you tell them this? 569
A. At a hotel in London. I can't remember the exact date.
Q. Was it a couple of weeks or months after? 570
A. It could be weeks after it or months after it. I can't
remember.
Q. Weeks or months after. It was certainly in 1989? 571
A. I think it was, yeah.
Q. Okay. What was their reaction? 572
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A. A lot of these meetings, people don't give a reaction; they
just take notes of what you are saying.
Q. Did they appear to you to be outraged or concerned at this 573
information?
A. No, no more than any other thing, no.
Q. Did they ask you to try and obtain further information on 574
Owen Corrigan?
A. No. They would have known if I got any more information, I
would have handed it over. It is just the way you do it.
Q. You were then arrested, of course, and interrogated in 575
Dundalk Garda Station, some three months after the murders
of Breen and Buchanan, isn't that correct?
A. Aye.
Q. And you saw Owen Corrigan in the station? 576
A. Yeah.
Q. That must have aroused your interest and attention? 577
A. Not really, no.
Q. Did you -- 578
A. When you went in there, you just don't answer questions.
Q. Did you not think to yourself, there is the guy who is 579
working with the IRA?
A. Not really, no.
Q. What did the handlers ask you to do in respect of getting 580
information about Owen Corrigan?
A. You see, that's what you're thinking there, you think the
task is specifically -- what you do is, just any
information you'd get, you give. You know, it could be we
have done nothing this week, we made incendiary bombs, we
are testing explosives. You just go and report your stuff.
Q. What, specifically, did you state to your handlers in the 581
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weeks or months after the murders of Breen and Buchanan?
A. All I would have stated was exactly what was said by
'Mooch' Blair and Mickey, and that, nothing else. I mean,
I didn't know anything else about it.
Q. But did you tell them just that you heard "'our friend' had 582
helped us," or did you go further and say "Owen Corrigan"?
A. I would have said "our friend" and I would have used the
word "Corrigan". I mean, my handlers knew who Owen
Corrigan was as well.
Q. I am concerned when I hear you use the words "I would have 583
said". Is that what you did say to them?
A. I am sure I would have. You are talking many years ago. I
would have told them about it. I mean, I can't remember
exactly word-for-word what I have said. You are asking
impossible questions for anyone to remember.
Q. I don't think so, Mr. Keeley. 584
A. Well, I think -- well, in my type of work -- maybe, in your
type of work, you are very specific. In my type of work,
words, you don't remember exact words that you are using,
sir.
Q. But you understand the importance of the position of my 585
client?
A. I do understand the importance to you, yes, I do.
Q. And you are effectively accusing my client of being a 586
murderer and breaching his fundamental duty to serve this
State, by giving information to the IRA?
A. He was a police officer.
Q. It is a fairly serious allegation? 587
A. Absolutely, it is, yes.
Q. And as I said to you before, your story doesn't stack up. 588
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A. Well, I know I am telling the truth, sir.
Q. Well, is there any reason why you would go out of your way 589
to damage Owen Corrigan? Does it assist you?
A. No, absolutely not.
Q. But does it not assist you -- you have gone to individuals 590
who have expressed an interest in this, isn't that so?
A. Who has expressed the interest?
Q. You went to Jeffrey Donaldson, and he was interested in 591
this, wasn't he?
A. Yes.
Q. And would you agree with me that part of the reason he was 592
interested in this was because it suited his political
agenda at the time?
A. Sir, I don't really know anything about politics. I don't
follow politics, or anything else. I mean, I have nothing
to gain out of this whatsoever.
Q. Have you spoken to Toby Harnden about this matter? 593
A. No, sir, I don't even know Toby Harnden.
Q. Have you spoken to retired RUC Officer Alan Mains about 594
this matter?
A. No, sir, definitely not.
Q. Have you spoken to an Irish Times journalist, Kevin Myers, 595
about the matter?
A. No, sir, I don't know Kevin Myers.
Q. You have, however, spoken to Jeffrey Donaldson, isn't that 596
so?
A. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Q. When did you meet him? 597
A. Again, sir, I can't remember dates.
Q. He says he met you either at the end of 1999 or early 2000. 598
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Does that ring a bell with you?
A. It would have been after 2000, because I didn't leave the
country until after that.
Q. So what date do you think it was? 599
A. It would have been around 2000. I can't give an exact date
or an exact month or day.
Q. He made a statement in the House of Commons on the 13th of 600
April, 2000, in which he named Owen Corrigan.
A. Right.
Q. He said here, last Friday, that the only source of Owen 601
Corrigan's name was you?
A. Right.
Q. Therefore, he must have met you before the 13th of April, 602
2000; you would agree with that?
A. I can't remember the dates, sir. You would need to check
with Jeffrey Donaldson his exact date as well.
Q. How was that meeting with Jeffrey Donaldson set up? 603
A. A person from FAIR came to me through a journalist.
Q. That is Mr. Frazer? 604
A. William Frazer, that is correct, sir.
Q. And what journalist did he come through? 605
A. I would not like to state the journalist's name publicly,
but I can give it to...
Q. Yes, if you can write it down, Mr. Keeley, yes. 606
(Witness writes name down and hands to the Chairman.)
What did you tell Jeffrey Donaldson when you met him?
A. What do you mean, what did I tell him? Just my
experiences, that I worked within the IRA, with the British
intelligence, who I worked for.
Q. What else did you tell him? 607
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A. I told him about the contact with Owen Corrigan.
Q. In the context of? 608
A. The meeting in Fintan Callan's Ceili House.
Q. And what murders did you mention to him? 609
A. Again, sir, because of the legal things, because of the
police inquiries into my activities, and the agent, I would
rather not go into that publicly.
Q. Mr. Keeley, I don't want to ask you about murders that you 610
were involved in that you spoke to Mr. Donaldson about, I
want you to give evidence as to what murders you say Owen
Corrigan was involved in that you spoke to Jeffrey
Donaldson about?
A. You want -- it would have been the Breen and Buchanan.
Q. That was it?611
A. And I would have told him about Tom Oliver.
Q. So Breen and Buchanan and Tom Oliver. Did you tell him 612
anything else?
A. Not that I can remember, sir.
Q. Because Mr. Donaldson gave evidence last Friday, and at 613
page 6 he said, this is the reference to you, he says:
"He then went to talk in general terms about the Breen and
Buchanan murders because he knew of my interest in
particular in that and the murders of Lord and Lady Gibson,
and he said that he had information which would link a
member of the Garda with the passing of information to the
IRA at the time of the murder of the two senior police
officers."
Did you talk to Mr. Donaldson about the murders of Lord and
Lady Gibson?
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A. I may have, but I would not have involved Owen Corrigan
there.
Q. So you have no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Owen 614
Corrigan was involved in setting up Lord and Lady Gibson?
A. Oh, absolutely not, no.
Q. Where did Mr. Donaldson get this information from? 615
A. You would need to ask Mr. Donaldson that. I did not
mention Owen Corrigan in any way connected to Lord Gibson.
Q. You mention in your statement as well, and you mentioned 616
this a few times this morning, that "cops in the North were
also helping us as well."
A. Yes.
Q. Am I to take from that, Mr. Keeley, that you are stating 617
that there were RUC officers who colluded with the IRA?
A. Not with me, but with the IRA. Of course there was, yes.
Of course.
Q. Would you, and please don't, but would you be able to 618
identify them?
A. Absolutely. I mean, it is public knowledge certain ones
that were, and there is other people that is not public
knowledge but I can give you their name, no problem.
Q. Would you write them down because it would be of relevance 619
to the Inquiry.
A. Yes.
Q. I would ask you not to name them because it would be 620
extremely unfair to name people.
A. Yes.
(Witness writes names down and hands to the Chairman.)
The spelling may not be totally correct, but you will know
the person. He was with -- yeah.
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Q. Can I ask you, Mr. Keeley, how many individuals did you 621
list there?
A. Two.
Q. Two? 622
A. Yeah.
Q. And were they ever convicted of an offence of -- 623
A. One of them was; one of them was not. He was arrested and
then he was put out of the RUC.
Q. Okay. And was he put out on the basis that he was 624
colluding with the IRA?
A. I don't know what way they got rid of him, but they got him
out. He was arrested over the mortar attack in Newry and
some other things in Warrenpoint.
Q. And are those specific details publicly known? 625
A. On one -- one of the gentlemen, there is a lot of stuff, I
think he may have been convicted, one of the first
officers.
Q. But on the other officer -- 626
A. I don't believe he was ever convicted, but, I mean, he is
well-known to the police and -- yeah.
Q. And what was he involved in, without being too specific? 627
A. He was arrested at the time of the mortar attack, you know,
in Newry RUC Station.
Q. Yes. 628
A. For it and a few other things, yeah.
Q. And he was an RUC officer? 629
A. He was an RUC reservist, yes.
Q. And are you saying he colluded with the RUC in respect of 630
the attack on the RUC station?
A. What I am saying is, that is what he was suspected of by
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the RUC, and he had an associate with a man in Dundalk, as
well, who was closely associated with 'Slab' Murphy.
Q. And do you know what level of assistance he provided to the 631
IRA in respect of this attack?
A. No, because he wasn't giving it to me, but it was
well-known that he was doing it as well, and the police
knew that as well.
Q. Have you ever given that information to Jeffrey Donaldson? 632
A. I don't think I gave him the gentleman in Warrenpoint. I
may and I may not have. To me, it is not really important.
I know that yous look at it differently than I would.
Q. Would you have any objection if that information was given 633
to Jeffrey Donaldson?
A. Absolutely no objection.
Q. Okay. You said in your statement and in your evidence that 634
Owen Corrigan was a friend of Patsy O'Callaghan, is that
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you ever see them together socialising? 635
A. No, I didn't, sir, no.
Q. So, in effect, you were told by people that Owen Corrigan 636
was friendly with Patsy O'Callaghan?
A. Yes.
Q. Just so as you are aware, Owen Corrigan says he has never 637
met him, he is certainly not a friend of him, but he has
heard of him.
A. Oh, right.
Q. Do you have any reason to doubt Mr. Corrigan in terms of 638
what he said?
A. Well, if that is what Mr. Corrigan is saying, that is what
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Mr. Corrigan is saying.
Q. You have never seen them together? 639
A. Absolutely not, no.
Q. Is it fair to say, Mr. Keeley, that a lot of what you are 640
saying here is based on what you heard and speculation
and --
A. But I have never said that it was anything else, do you
understand? I mean, I did not -- Owen Corrigan didn't come
to me, he wasn't my friend, he wasn't 'Mooch's'. It was
known that he was Patrick O'Callaghan's.
Q. So you know very little about Owen Corrigan's involvement 641
in assisting the IRA, as you allege?
A. Absolutely, yeah.
Q. Do you remember Mr. Corrigan being assaulted with his wife 642
in Dundalk or outside Dundalk?
A. No.
Q. Did you not mention that in your statement, one of your 643
statements to the Tribunal?
A. No, I don't think -- are you saying with his wife, he was
abducted, him and another man, and they were beat up, yeah.
Q. No, this is another time. 644
A. No, I don't think so.
Q. Just bear with me a second. So you are not aware of him 645
being attacked with his wife. Were you in Dundalk around
the time of the extradition of Dominic McGlinchey?
A. I would have been hanging about, I think, yeah.
Q. Do you remember posters being put up of Owen Corrigan 646
stating "wanted for treason" because he was the garda who
handled --
A. No, I don't actually remember that at all, no.
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Q. You don't remember that. Would it surprise you that that 647
had happened?
A. Oh, no, these things happen as well. The best way for
anyone's street credibility, it was the same in the RUC
with me, I used to get beat up by police officers who
wouldn't have known what I was doing, but again, my
handlers used to worry. It could have been stopped, but it
wasn't in their interest to stop it because it gave your
street credibility the boost. If you were known to be
friendly, physically, with people as well, it is not good
for your career.
Q. Of course, there is another completely innocent 648
explanation, is that they regarded him as an
anti-republican guard who was doing his duty, isn't that
so?
A. They could have, but I know instances in Newry, as well,
where one guy was knee-capped twice and he went on to join
the IRA as well.
Q. Okay. But I am talking about Mr. Corrigan. 649
A. Oh, yeah. Sorry, sir.
Q. Okay. Mr. Corrigan. You know, there is a benign... 650
A. Sorry, yeah.
Q. Throughout your career in terms of providing information, 651
you have received money for it, isn't that how you are paid
for it?
A. I have been paid for my information. I mean, what you have
got to understand: When you are working for MI5 or the
army, you are not able to take another job, so therefore,
you are doing a full-time job for them, so therefore, they
pay you a wage, your basic wage.
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Q. Can you list for us the agencies for which you were 652
allegedly working?
A. Yeah.
Q. Thanks. 653
A. Do you want me to do it now, yeah?
Q. Please. 654
A. British Army, MI5.
Q. Yeah. 655
A. Customs and Excise.
Q. Yeah. 656
A. And police. I was not handled by -- well, I was not
handled by Special Branch, but at the end I was handled by
CID, which was not -- it is not the same as Special Branch.
Q. And does that include the Drug Squad, as well? 657
A. The Drug Squad would be RUC, CID.
Q. Okay. Okay. And -- 658
A. Yeah.
Q. Right. And are you still working for any of them? 659
A. I am working for no agency at all.
Q. You are not still working for MI5, or anything like that? 660
A. No.
Q. You have also, and correct me if I am wrong, made money 661
from selling your stories to newspapers, is that fair to
say?
A. One newspaper, yes.
Q. Which newspaper was that? 662
A. The Mail on Sunday.
Q. How much did they pay you? 663
A. They had signed a contract for £30,000 and reneged on it
and done a hatchet job on it because they had another
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source within Special Branch as well as the Metropolitan
police, and this is at the time Ronnie Flanagan came out
with the stuff, Walter Mitty, fantasist, and Special Branch
helped them with the story to try to discredit me.
Q. And are you aware that Chris Ryder wrote an article in The 664
Irish Times on the 25th of January, 2002, in which he says
that a Sunday newspaper had agreed to pay you £50,000?
A. That is a load of nonsense, sir.
Q. Is that the same alleged payment that you are talking 665
about?
A. I don't know, what was the story? Have you got it there?
Q. It was prior to the Omagh story, it was part of -- 666
A. Oh, this is Chris Ryder?
Q. The journalist. 667
A. Oh, Chris Ryder, his wife was a senior RUC officer at the
time. Yeah, yeah, I know who you are on about, yeah.
Q. I didn't know -- 668
A. Again, I think you will find that story is misinformation,
it is rubbish.
Q. Do you know Mr. Ryder? 669
A. I know of Mr. Ryder. I don't know him personally.
Q. But his article says that the Mail, I think, had agreed to 670
pay you £50,000 for your Omagh story?
A. Well, that is even more than they had agreed with me on a
contract, sir.
Q. Okay. Do you still try to -- you still in contact with 671
journalists, obviously, quite frequently?
A. I know a few journalists, yes.
Q. Do you still try to get your stories into the newspapers? 672
A. Absolutely not, sir. I haven't put stories of mine into
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the papers for a number of years. I keep out of them as
best as possible.
Q. You came into, I suppose, the public domain, Mr. Keeley, 673
because of the row between you and your employers, is that
fair to say?
A. What were you talking about? Tell me what -- tell me the
road you are going down and I will correct you if it needs
correcting.
Q. Okay. In 1999, you were concerned about the fact you 674
hadn't been paid compensation by the Ministry of Defence?
A. What story? Give me more on it. You can't. No, but I
can't remember. I don't know even know what story you are
referring to, sir.
Q. I am just asking you, it is contained in the -- 675
A. But it is common knowledge that I am in a dispute with the
people I worked with. That is common knowledge, sir.
Q. Okay. And you think you have been treated very unfairly by 676
them?
A. At that time, yes, I was, absolutely.
Q. Do you still think you are being treated very unfairly by 677
them?
A. Well, there is a legal case going on into that. At the
minute, I am being treated very fairly by the MI5, so it
is. They have taken control.
Q. So you are still being -- 678
A. There is a legal action pending.
Q. Okay. But you are still involved with MI5, although -- 679
A. I am not involved with MI5, no.
Q. I thought you said you were being treated very well by MI5? 680
A. My expenses and the place where I live is being paid by
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those people. I am not involved with them and I don't work
for them or with them.
Q. So MI5 are paying for your -- 681
A. My accommodation.
Q. Your accommodation? 682
A. Yes.
Q. Do you remember there was an article written by Matthew 683
Teague in The Atlantic magazine?
A. I do, yes.
Q. He, in that article, said you took him back to your house. 684
A. At that time, yeah.
Q. I won't identify it, I don't need to identify where it is, 685
but he said that you lived in an expensive flat with heavy
security overlooking a well-known London landmark. Is that
a fair assessment of your accommodation?
A. Possibly, yes.
Q. And that is being paid for by MI5? 686
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Have MI5 spoken to you about your cooperation with, and 687
giving evidence to, this Tribunal?
A. Absolutely not, sir, no.
Q. Who do you talk to from MI5 when you want to talk to them? 688
A. Absolutely no one, sir.
Q. You don't talk to them? 689
A. No, sir, I don't.
Q. Well, if there are issues -- they are paying your rent on 690
an ongoing basis, aren't they?
A. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Q. And are you getting a wage from them on an ongoing basis? 691
A. I get a subsistence to help me survive.
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Q. Do you think it is in the interests of MI5 to reach a 692
finding that there was collusion between Garda Síochána
members and the IRA?
A. I think everyone will know that this Tribunal will reach an
honest opinion at the very end. I don't think it is in
anyone's -- in their opinion or not in their opinion, a
good or bad thing. I mean, they have no control over what
is coming here, sir, and I wouldn't have no idea what MI5
are thinking.
Q. You have also claimed, and maybe this is incorrect, but 693
Mr. McDonald, again in an article, claims that you claimed
that Chief Superintendent Breen and Superintendent Buchanan
were murdered by the British Security Services?
A. That's absolute nonsense. I would never have said that.
Q. In an article published on the 11th of September of this 694
year in The Observer, Mr. McDonald says the following, he
says: "Another FRU agent and one-time IRA member known as
Kevin Fulton has claimed State agents involved in the
ambush killed the two police officers to prevent them being
handed over to a provisional interrogation unit with the
danger of them leaking the names of informants under
torture."
A. Absolutely not, sir. I did not -- that cannot be
attributed to me because I never said that.
Q. You never said that to him? 695
A. Absolutely not, no.
Q. When did you become aware of that claim? 696
A. I became aware about a month or two ago and then I thought
nothing of it, and then you are reading it there right out
of a paper. Absolutely not from me, sir.
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Q. And have you ever contacted Mr. McDonald to say to him, 697
"how dare you misquote me like that"?
A. No, I don't speak to Mr. McDonald.
Q. How do you think he would have got that information? 698
A. You would need to ask Mr. McDonald, sir, to get a proper
answer.
Q. He is a fairly recognised and respected journalist in The 699
Observer, isn't he?
A. He was fairly recognised, yeah. You would need to speak to
him yourself, sir.
Q. But you are saying that you didn't give any him information 700
about this?
A. Not -- I did not say anything like that, that they may have
been killed to prevent people from -- by British agents.
Absolutely not, sir.
Q. So that is something that -- 701
A. -- you will have to take up with Mr. McDonald.
Q. The Tribunal will have to take it up with Mr. McDonald. 702
When you were being interviewed by Mr. McDonald, or
assisting him with stories, how would that be done?
A. It was many years ago when I spoke to Henry McDonald.
Q. So when he says here on, in September of this year, that 703
this is your claim, this is --
A. Absolutely, I would not have been speaking to him in this
year, sir, because I haven't spoke to Henry for a long
time.
Q. When was the last time you spoke to him?704
A. He rang my number, actually, about six months ago, looking
for the number for Ian Hurst, and I told him I hadn't got
the number, but I rang Ian Hurst and Ian Hurst then rang
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him.
Q. Did you talk to him about the inquiries into the murders of 705
Breen and Buchanan?
A. No, sir, we were actually talking about the hacking, the
News of the World hacking, and an allegation of a certain
news editor from Northern Ireland being involved in
hacking.
Q. This, as far as you are concerned, is a piece of gutter 706
journalism?
A. Well, it is not my words, I can tell you that now. I mean,
I will never describe any journalist as "gutter
journalism". That is your words, sir. It is not correct.
Q. But you say it is completely misrepresenting what you said? 707
A. Absolutely, sir, yes.
Q. You also made allegations against a man called Sean 708
Maguire, the editor of The Belfast News?
A. Sean Maguire, yes.
Q. What did you say about him? 709
A. He is a registered informant and he was an IRA member as
well. He was living in Dundalk for a while at the time,
the same time as, around, Scappaticci, and all, had come to
Dundalk, yeah.
Q. And he has vehemently denied those allegations. 710
A. Yes. The first thing anyone is taught to do, anywhere,
even with the army or police agencies, you always deny,
because if you admit to the IRA that you are an agent, or
anything else, you are dead. Yes, sir. I mean, I was
abducted by the IRA, as well, and questioned, and I denied
that I was a police informant or agent on two occasions,
sir.
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Q. And the evidence you have and the evidence you have against 711
Mr. Maguire, is it as slim as the evidence --
A. Do you really want me to -- I will give you the evidence
here in open court if you want it.
Q. I don't represent him. 712
A. No, no, but if that is what you want.
Q. The question I am asking you, is the evidence that you have 713
against him as slim as the evidence you have against Owen
Corrigan?
A. It is not slim, no, sir, it is not slim. I have positive
evidence against Sean Maguire.
Q. But is it as slim as the evidence you have against Owen 714
Corrigan?
A. It is actually more compelling against Sean Maguire, yes.
Q. Surely, you are putting people like Mr. Maguire and people 715
who you name so readily, at risk?
A. Mr. Maguire put my photograph on a paper, so he did.
Q. And would it be fair to say, then, you wanted to get 716
revenge?
A. It is not to get revenge at him, no. But the thing is, my
handlers know exactly what Sean Maguire was doing, as well.
You know, I mean, you can take that up with the police
yourself.
Q. You mention there was one Garda in Dundalk that you 717
admired, isn't that so?
A. Not -- well, secretly admired him. He was very hard. It
is one I would trust. I mean, I had no dealings with him,
only when I was arrested he took my fingerprints.
Q. Tom Molloy? 718
A. Tom Molloy, yes, sir.
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Q. And you think he is a garda who was tough on the IRA? 719
A. I know he was tough on the IRA, yeah.
Q. Okay. I want to tell you what Tom Molloy said in evidence 720
about Owen Corrigan?
A. Okay.
Q. He said he "worked with Corrigan for nearly ten years." 721
This is on Day 16. He said, "This period was a very
difficult time for Gardaí in Dundalk." He said, "Nobody
arrested more IRA men than Corrigan." He said, "Corrigan
suffered a lot of abuse from the IRA, both on and off
duty." He said, "Corrigan was followed around by people
with cameras taking pictures of him and a photograph of him
was put on poles around Dundalk." He said he "doesn't
believe that the Gardaí or Corrigan colluded with the IRA."
Is Tom Molloy lying?
A. No, no, it is good street credibility for Owen Corrigan,
isn't it.
Q. Is the Chairman to take it, then, that Tom Molloy is 722
perjuring himself in order to give Corrigan street cred?
A. Absolutely not, sir. Tom Molloy would not have been aware,
and neither would many other guards have been aware, of
what Mr. Corrigan was at. I mean, Tom Molloy would have my
respect. I think I stated it to the Tribunal, if he had
still been a garda I would like him protecting me, although
I know he is retired, but that's just what I thought of
him, you know, as a trustworthy person as a guard.
Q. But as a trustworthy person, do you not attach some 723
relevance to the evidence that he has given about Owen
Corrigan?
A. Would Mr. Molloy know everything about Mr. Corrigan? I
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mean, top IRA men thought I was a great IRA person. A lot
of republicans in Newry and Belfast thought I was a great
IRA person.
Q. Mr. Keeley, I would ask you to be fair to Owen Corrigan --724
A. Oh, no, no -- yeah.
Q. -- for a moment of time, because the allegations you are 725
making against him are, I submit, lies?
A. No. Well, I am saying they are not lies, sir.
Q. But from his point of view, you have got to recognise that 726
the basis for your allegations are very slim --
A. Yeah.
Q. -- in respect of the murders of Breen and Buchanan. Do you 727
accept that?
A. All I know is what I know about Mr. Corrigan.
Q. Yeah. And all you know in respect of the murders of Breen 728
and Buchanan is that somebody told you, Mickey Collins told
you that "our friend" helped out, and you supposed that was
Owen Corrigan?
A. I take it that as Owen, yeah.
Q. Then you went to Judge Cory and you told him something 729
completely different, didn't you?
A. No, sir, I don't remember the statement, but it was the
same thing, it was about Owen Corrigan.
Q. Well, this Tribunal was set up on the recommendation of 730
Judge Cory, isn't that correct?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And he set it up because you put in a statement to him on 731
the 9th of September, 2003. And in that statement, you
say: "I am aware that after the ambush took place, my
senior IRA commander was told by a member of PIRA that
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Garda B had telephoned to the Provisional IRA to tell them
that officers Breen and Buchanan were at the Dundalk
station." And you accept that is incorrect?
A. What year was that?
Q. September 2003. 732
A. 2003, a long time, yeah.
Q. It is incorrect, though, isn't it? 733
A. No, but it is correct. I mean, it was my belief that he
did telephone them.
Q. You didn't say that to the Chairman in your evidence. Your 734
evidence is different, Mr. Keeley; your evidence is that
all that was said was "our friend" helped out?
A. Yeah.
Q. So are you saying that's correct? 735
A. I am saying the basis of that is correct, yes, sir.
Q. You didn't give that evidence here. One of them is 736
incorrect, isn't it? It is -- either your evidence here or
your statement?
A. Well, part of it is not in it, that I say to you all the
time, it is a long period of time between the two, sir, but
it basically means the same.
Q. I want to give you an opportunity, Mr. Keeley, to withdraw 737
the false statements and false claims you have made about
my client, Owen Corrigan. I would ask you to withdraw
them.
A. Absolutely not, sir. I can't.
Q. I want to suggest to you that the only reason you have made 738
these claims against my client is to ingratiate yourself to
certain parts of the political establishment in order to
assist you in your claim against your former employers?
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A. Oh, absolutely not, sir. That is not correct.
MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Thanks, Mr. Keeley.
THE WITNESS WAS CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. DURACK AS FOLLOWS:
Q. MR. DURACK: Good afternoon, sir. My name is Michael 739
Durack, I appear for An Garda Síochána. I might ask you a
few questions. You told us that you joined the British
Army in 1978?
A. 1979.
Q. '79? 740
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you were approached then, very shortly after that, by 741
members involved in Intelligence?
A. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Q. And I think you mentioned a Gerry and Andy? 742
A. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Q. And I think they gave you opportunities to perhaps make the 743
army a little more exciting than you expected it to be?
A. Yes, sir. That would have been there, too, yeah.
Q. Because you didn't think the idea of marching around 744
squares or standing guard on buildings was up to much?
A. The way you make it sound, sir, it makes it sound really
monotonous. No, the thing is, the army was very exciting.
But the thing is, in Northern Ireland there was a war on.
When you learn your trade in the army, you know, you really
want to practice what you have learnt, and the only place
that the British Army had at that time was Northern
Ireland. So, you know, it did appeal to me. Even when I
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was based in St. Patrick's Barracks in Ballymena, we would
guard our own camp. We would also do ammunition runs. We
would -- you know, you got to do escort runs with
ammunition to Ballykinler, to Magilligan. It was quite
exciting, and there was an element of risk and danger
there, too, yes.
Q. Yes. And initially, you were providing them with fairly 745
basic information as to who you could pick out of
photographs?
A. Yes, sir. When it came to St. Patrick's Barracks they
actually came and asked would I help them put names to
faces. So when they actually came to the Education Centre,
they would bring a box of photographs and we would sit and
we'd have tea and we'd go through the names of people.
There was obvious -- there was a covert OP facing the DHSS,
the dole office in Newry, and because of a lot of
unemployment, it meant a lot of people in Newry would have
been visiting this building and - excuse me - they all
would have been photographed. So what they would get me to
do is, to -- they would go through the photographs - "Do
you know this person? Do you know that person?" A lot of
people, I wouldn't know, and some of the younger people I
would know because they were my age group, so I put their
names to the faces, and it didn't even matter if these
people weren't in paramilitary organisations, this was
basic intelligence-gathering, so they could, you know,
build up a profile of people in the town.
Q. How long did you do this sort of work for? 746
A. This went on for -- a few months I would have been doing
that.
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Q. And what were they paying you for this work? 747
A. They were paying me absolutely nothing for that, sir. I
was still in my basic training. And they would come every
now and again and visit the camp in Ballymena. We would do
this in the Education Centre. There was no extra money in
it.
Q. And how did the relationship develop? 748
A. In what way, like, did the relation develop? What way do
you want me to put that, like?
Q. Well, you were initially looking at photographs and little 749
else?
A. Yes.
Q. So what did you do? What was the next step up in your 750
intelligence education?
A. Well, basically, after that there, we would -- if I was on
leave for a weekend, they would take me to Newcastle, and
we would go to, maybe, Ballykinler, we would go onto the
range, sometimes we'd played pool, snooker. It was,
basically, like, it was like a chill-out thing, really --
Q. Sorry, go on. 751
A. You know, it was really just getting to know me and me
getting to know them. At that time, you see, I couldn't go
home to Newry on leave because of the troubles. When you
are in the depot, there is a lot of restrictions on you of
where you could go. If you were from Ballymena or
Coleraine, or anything, you could go home.
Q. So these were fun opportunities offered to you to -- 752
A. Not so much fun opportunities -- it was a way to chill out,
otherwise I would have stayed in the barracks all weekend
and just went into Ballymena, and there is not much there.
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Q. You mentioned you were given the opportunity to use weapons 753
that ordinary soldiers wouldn't be able to?
A. Yes, that opportunity did come along on a number of
occasions. We would go to [deleted]. It is like a private
firing range within Ballykinler, and it is not like an
ordinary firing range. There is different obstacles and
different thing there for training. So we would go there.
We would have, maybe, something to eat on a day's shooting
on the range, you know.
Q. And what was the next phase? 754
A. What do you mean "the next phase"?
Q. The next phase in your intelligence induction, if you like? 755
A. Well, basically, it went on from there, and then they asked
me would I leave the army and come and work for them. I
said no, because I had signed up for nine years. Signed up
for three initially and then I liked the army that much I
signed up for nine. So then, basically, asked me, you
know, could I get some people to help them, because I told
them I wanted to stay with my regiment which I was posted
to in Berlin. So, basically --
Q. How long did you stay in Berlin? 756
A. I spent over a year in Berlin.
Q. And what work was involved there? 757
A. In Berlin, there was a lot of guard duties with Spandau
Prison. We guarded Rudolf Hess. And we would have had a
thing called AK guard, which would be -- in Berlin when I
was there, the Berlin Wall was there, and you had the
Allied Forces. So, basically, the British contingent would
have been the Grenadier Guards, the Royal Irish Rangers and
some tank regiment, and you had the Intelligence Corps.
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Q. And what was your relationship with the Intelligence Corps 758
in Berlin for 12 months?
A. I had one person in the Intelligence Corps, three in
security, a guy called [deleted].
Q. And what were you doing with him? 759
A. Well, he would take up, roughly, where the people, Andy and
Gerry, would have left in Northern Ireland. We would go
through local newspapers that were sent over. He would
teach me things. Sorry, he would teach me things and we
would just keep things lit and keep it going from there.
Q. "Teach me things"; what was he teaching you? There is not 760
a lot of teaching in looking at photographs and identifying
people?
A. No, there is not, no, no.
MRS. LAVERTY: I think, Chairman, I think it is very
improper that counsel for the Garda are mentioning people
by name.
MR. DURACK: I didn't mention anybody; he mentioned them.
MRS. LAVERTY: Well, I don't think you should pursue it
further, the names of handlers.
MR. DURACK: I didn't mention anybody.
CHAIRMAN: Well, you invited him to give you the name.
MR. DURACK: No, I didn't. I invited him to tell me what
he was doing.
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A. The name slipped out, sir. Sorry.
CHAIRMAN: Well, don't name those people, if you wouldn't
mind.
A. Yes, yes.
Q. MR. DURACK: But I was asking you how your level of 761
training improved at this stage in Berlin?
A. It was -- basically, what you do is, it was all kept lit.
It was -- we were just chatting. We would go out for a
coffee, we would go through the papers. Again, it was
faces. They were trying to get me to come back to Northern
Ireland to work.
Q. You said you were being -- you were training? 762
A. I was being taught new skills, what to look for, yes. Do
you want me to tell you the training manual?
Q. No, I don't want to know the training manual. I want to 763
know the nature of what you were doing?
A. Well, I mean, looking at ways to get information, ways to
record it, things like that, yeah.
Q. And then, when you came back to Northern Ireland? 764
A. Yes. What do you mean, what did I do when I came back?
Q. Yes. 765
A. Well, actually I had to arrange -- they had arranged a
discharge for me, you know, from Berlin. It started from
there. And basically what they did was, they came up with
an excuse that they would give me a discharge book saying I
was basically kicked out.
Q. Basically that you were put out? 766
A. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, officially then they got me
another one where it said my father was sick. And we did
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it through there to keep the army happy. My platoon
commander's father, who was a Customs officer, I will not
name him her, but if you want the name I can give you that.
Q. No, no, I don't need that. In any case, you were demobbed 767
on the 26th of May, 1981?
A. If that's the date, yeah. I can't remember the dates. The
police have my discharge book; they took it when they
raided my property.
Q. And were you demobbed from Berlin or from Northern Ireland? 768
A. No, I was actually demobbed from Seaton camp in Chester.
The battalion moved back. You see, there was a move from
the battalion back to the UK, and we came back to Chester.
Q. Then you say in your statement that you were taken to a 769
hotel in the UK?
A. Yeah, in Wrexham.
Q. And what was the purpose of that? 770
A. That was another debriefing. Andy and Gerry met me there.
At that time, the colonel from FRU was from Wrexham. The
Force Research Unit was a new unit that was set up and the
colonel, he is dead now, he was killed in a helicopter
crash. He was from Wrexham. So we went to Wrexham and had
a meeting in, it was like a motel/hotel, you know, like the
wee chalet. I met him at Wrexham railway station at the
phone box and we drove to this motel/hotel type of thing,
yeah.
Q. And you said that you were debriefed there, how long did 771
that take?
A. About six, seven hours. It was just a chat up because I
had only come back to England from Berlin, the whole
regiment. So I went down this weekend one day. I don't
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remember the day.
Q. But you say you weren't doing much when you were away? 772
A. No.
Q. So there wasn't a lot to be debriefed on? 773
A. Well, it was a talk to catch up on things and talking. I
mean, there was always talk of things going on in Northern
Ireland, sir.
Q. But in any case, the arrangement had been made for you to 774
be discharged from the army with a view that you would
continue to work for the army, is that right?
A. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Q. And when did they start paying you? 775
A. They started paying me as soon as I was demobbed from my
battalion, from the regiment.
Q. And what were they paying you? 776
A. It was a basic army wage. I can't remember the exact
amount, sir, it is so long ago.
Q. I see. 777
A. But it worked out roughly a regular army wage of what I was
getting.
Q. And you went back to Newry and you went to live with your 778
parents at that stage?
A. I did, sir, yes.
Q. Now, how did you explain to your parents or to anybody else 779
how you had money to live on?
A. Because I started working in my father's shop as well, yes.
Q. And what was that? 780
A. It was a wallpapering and paint shop. My family were in
the decorating business and my father had a number of
wallpaper and paint shops in Newry. Our whole family, well
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most of the family were painters and decorators. So I went
back and started that as well. I worked a bit in the shop.
Q. How long did you stay there? 781
A. I can't remember exactly. I would have been in and out of
the shop. Then I got a job in the meat factory, which was
a very well -- it was well paid at that time. So I was
working there, still doing my army thing. I had to
ingratiate myself back into normal civilian life, sir.
Q. This would have been when? 782
A. After 1981.
Q. After 1981. So, you didn't work in your father's then for 783
very long?
A. No, sir. It is very hard sometimes to work for your own
people. And my father was a very nice gentleman, but
sometimes it was hard to work in your own father's shop.
Q. And I think you got married in 1984? 784
A. I didn't even remember the date I got married, sir. Thank
you very much for reminding me.
Q. Did you work continuously from 1981 to 1984 in the meat 785
factory?
A. I would have been on and off in the meat trade and doing
things, yeah. What actually I done was, I had to just
basically build myself into human life, sorry, civilian
life again around Newry. Most people I told I was in the
Merchant Navy, which I was because I was in the Merchant
Navy before I joined the army, so it was a cover. But,
again, my army handlers were saying when it came to the
time of going up to Dundalk, it was you have got to tell
them the truth here.
Q. Of course, because if you were found out that would be a 786
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bad idea?
A. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Q. Now -- so what are you living on at the time you get 787
married in 1984?
A. Well, I was still getting an army wage, but I was still
working away. I think I was still in the meat factory.
And I bought a house at that time as well.
Q. And how did you finance that? 788
A. A mortgage, like everybody else, sir. I was -- actually I
will I tell you where it was, it was Lisdrum Avenue; it was
a new semi-detached chalet-type bungalow.
Q. As I understood it, you had worked for a very short while 789
for your father?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Then you had worked for maybe a couple of years for the 790
meat factory?
A. Yes.
Q. And that accounts for 1981 to maybe 1983/'84? 791
A. I can't remember the exact dates, sir. I never -- dates
are not a strong point with me.
Q. You then get married. What are you living on then when you 792
get married, because presumably the meat factory job was
over at that stage?
A. Well, my wife worked as well at that time.
Q. I suppose what I am wondering is, what cover did you have 793
so that people who were inquisitive would know that you had
a source of income that wasn't the army?
A. A lot of people would wrongfully assume that my family had
a lot of money, and I suppose it is a case of like the
early riser -- the name of an early riser, you can stay in
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bed all day. You know, at times I didn't have that much
money but people thought we would have had because of the
family business, people maybe assumed you are wealthy.
Q. Were you on the dole for a certain amount of this? 794
A. I think at one time I did sign on the dole, but it was a
very, very short period of time, very short.
Q. In any case, in February 1985 you got involved in the 795
hijacking of the lorry full of televisions?
A. Yes, sir, Mitsubishi Blue Diamonds, TVs and videos, yes,
sir. And that was to try --
Q. Sorry, go on. 796
A. Go ahead.
Q. I think as a result of that, you were sentenced to two 797
years imprisonment on the 9th of the December, 1985?
A. Yes, I didn't remember the year, but yes, sir, I did. And
when I actually was in jail, that was the year the space
shuttle exploded. You remember one of the space shuttles
was launched and it exploded.
CHAIRMAN: Oh, yes.
A. I was actually in jail at that time, yes.
Q. MR. DURACK: And prior to that, in April of 1985, 798
Mr. 'Mooch' Blair had been released from prison?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you know him between April and the time of your own 799
incarceration?
A. I did, sir, yes. Because, actually, at that time he knew
that we had hijacked the lorry and that we would have been
going to jail. At that time in Northern Ireland the jails
were really run by a lot of the paramilitaries. And the
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thing is, the stuff from the lorry would have been going,
part of it, to the IRA. So basically he had assured us
that there would be no problem. If we went to jail, you
know, you wouldn't be beat up by anybody, you would be
accepted onto the wing by the paramilitaries, because they
run it. And people that they don't like or don't accept
usually get a hard time, they kick them on to and they go
to the punish wings, wrongfully you'd be sent there.
Q. In any event, you were assured that you would be taken care 800
of?
A. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Q. And all this time were you being paid? 801
A. When I was in prison I wasn't being paid because I couldn't
meet handlers. But I remember at the time when I was in
prison and after you do, I think it is two-thirds of your
sentence, I was entitled to something like a week or two
weeks parole for, you know, good behaviour. I remember at
that time I came out, and it was on a Saturday. That's the
day the policemen were murdered in Newry, three policemen
were shot dead, they were murdered by the Provisional IRA
in Hill Street in Newry. And I remember that day very well
because I was actually painting the outside of my new
house. And my mother came up and says, "Don't go down
town." I says, "Why?" She says, "There has been
shootings." I didn't know at that stage 'Mooch' had done
that one either, but you know...
Q. Well, were you in a position to give your handlers any 802
information in relation to that shooting?
A. No, sir, because at that stage I was only out for, I think
it could have been a week, and I didn't go up to Dundalk, I
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stayed at home. I wasn't that long married so I stayed at
home with my then wife and I painted the house, yeah.
Q. And ultimately you were released from prison in November 803
1986?
A. Right, I couldn't remember the year, sir. I did 12 months
in jail.
Q. And I think you said that you were paid a lump sum at that 804
stage?
A. Yes, sir, I got a lump sum of money.
Q. And how much was that? 805
A. I can't remember, sir, but I know it was a fair piece of
money.
Q. Are we talking about a couple of thousand; 5,000, 10,000? 806
A. Sir, I can't remember. Maybe one or two thousand. You
know, at that time it was big money, it was big money to
me.
Q. Now, in your statement you say that it was at this stage 807
that you learnt of Mr. Corrigan?
A. Right.
Q. That would appear to be after November 1986? 808
A. Again, sir, the dates... I am hopeless with dates, sir.
Q. And that you had learnt that from Mr. Blair? 809
A. Yeah.
Q. Now, can you tell us -- it was at this stage you say you 810
learnt about it. What did you learn about him at that
stage?
A. At that stage I was going up and down to Dundalk to 'Mooch'
Blair. I was basically getting in with him again, and it's
just a case of where we're talking about Narrow Water,
different things. I mean, when you are hanging about with
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IRA people you talk about lots of things. And the chat,
'Mooch' Blair is actually a very talkative person so he is.
Q. Now, you told us that you had been taught how to drive by 811
your handlers?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you said you were given a car? 812
A. I was given the money and I bought a car, yes. It was a
Ford Escort, and I think it was maroon in colour. It was a
two-door. It was second-hand.
Q. Again, are you able to waive suspicion away from your 813
ownership of the car?
A. Very easy. I was told to take out a loan, which I did,
with Newry Credit Union.
Q. You took out a loan?814
A. Yeah, I didn't need the loan, I already had the cash. What
you do is, you are taught to take out a loan. If anyone
asks you, you can show your bill, your credit union, so you
are in debt. One thing that the army always teach you,
well the Security Services as well is, they don't give you
so much money, they will give you X amount of money and you
have cash in your hand. And again, I was told I had a
secret account with a lot of money in it, which of course I
believed. And that is quite normal because the thing is,
the first thing the IRA look for is someone flashing a lot
of money, as this gentleman is saying, with no immediate
means of income. So what they do usually tell you, they
will hold a lot of cash for you, they will give you X
amount. And if you are getting something they will give
you cash for it and they will tell you go and take a loan
for that amount. So, again, for the hip roof on my house
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where I used to live on Point Road, I needed £5,000. So -
excuse me - we got a loan for £5,000 but they gave it to me
out of my cash. So if anyone asked you were still able to
show the debt. And that's usually some of things that the
IRA would see, you know, like if you were in trouble.
Q. Sorry -- 815
A. Sorry, go ahead.
Q. Yes. Now, you said anyway you got a car? 816
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you had an Escort? 817
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you tell your handlers about that? 818
A. Yes, they knew about it, sir. Because at that time I was
driving -- they'd got me to drive around the roads in south
Armagh on a prearranged route, and basically they'd put a
flick switch in it that I would drive a route at a certain
time and that they were hoping that the IRA would have a
road check and stop me, and if they did, I would just flick
the switch and just, if the IRA would let me go, I'd go on,
but then they'd be waiting in Bessbrook and they would come
up in a gun ship.
Q. And they would send out the helicopter for you if you were 819
stuck?
A. Not for me, no. They would go and do the business just on
the IRA.
Q. And I take it there was some form of tracking involved in 820
the vehicle?
A. There may have been, yes. But what there would have been,
it would have gave a signal and they would have known what
route I was on. So all you do is, with the choppers go
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over the route. From a helicopter you can get a queer view
of south Armagh. Once you know the immediate area that
your car is on, they really would have no problem.
Q. Was it at this stage you were starting to drive Mr. Blair 821
around?
A. I would have been driving around him and I would have been
associating with a Sinn Fein counsellor in Newry. I will
not say his name. That's the people -- I would just
ingratiate myself.
Q. And was the car fixed up to record what was going on? 822
A. That one there wasn't, no. Many years later I got a car
from MI5 and it had satellite tracking in it, it had
recording devices inside it as well. And this car, I was
actually told by MI5 to lend it to the people in Dundalk,
which I did. So I would lend IRA members this car. It was
a Peugeot 405.
Q. When was this? 823
A. Oh, this was in the '90s.
Q. About when? 824
A. Oh, let's see. After I came back from Eurodisney, it would
have been then. They got me a car. At the start they were
actually hiring cars for me, and it would have been costing
maybe -- it was costing thousands of pounds, you know, to
hire cars.
Q. Yes. 825
A. So then they decided -- they got a car for me. They gave
me the cash to buy it. I think it was £10,000 in cash to
go to -- it was a place just outside London. They had a
garage there. They set up a garage, someone in a garage to
sell me this car. It was a guy called Bob, the same as my
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handler, just the same name. And it was -- I had to go to
him and say, you know, about the car. He was expecting me.
And I gave him the money. And I remember when I was coming
over to London with the cash, I actually took my
brother-in-law with me because he was a mechanic, because
it would have looked funny with my family not to take
someone that knew about cars, because I knew nothing about
them. So coming through Heathrow I was stopped by the
police at Heathrow Airport, and of course I had £10,000 in
cash. And they stopped me. And at that stage I would have
come up as a red light, which would have been stop; I would
have been classed as a IRA member. So they were quizzing
me what is this money for, what's this for? And I just had
to sit there and go through it. I was just saying to them,
"I'm going to buy a car, I'm going to buy a car," you know.
Which I was. And in the end they let me go. And I
remember actually I rang MI5, who were really the overall
handlers at this stage, and they said: No, we knew about
it, but we did nothing, we just let it run. Which is quite
normal for the security forces to do or the police service
to do.
Q. When did you become -- we have suddenly moved into MI5. I 826
was just dealing with the military?
A. Sorry, sir.
Q. When did that change happen? 827
A. MI5 would have been -- just after I came back from
Eurodisney, they took over everything.
Q. And that was when? 828
A. I can't remember the exact dates, sir. I am really, really
hopeless with dates. But when I came back from Eurodisney
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Q. There was some suggestion that was maybe summer 1991? 829
A. -- I contacted army HQ, the intelligence section. And I
was told to call back the next day. So when I called back
the next day and these people from British intelligence
said we are now going to meet you as well. So a meeting
was actually set up for me to fly to London. I think it
was left at Aldergrove Airport, British Airways. And I
flew to London Heathrow. And I got off at Acton Town. And
my instructions was to get off at Acton Town. I was
carrying a Daily Mirror. And go down -- there is two or
three exits. So I was told to go down the concrete step
exits. So I went down those exits and there was a guy
waiting for me and we met and we shook hands. Then we got
into a car and we went back out towards Heathrow Airport to
one of the airport hotels. And there was MI5, there was
army, and there was -- there was Northern Ireland people
there, and they may have been police, I don't know. But
there was army people there, there was MI5 people there.
Q. Were there also RUC people there? 830
A. There may have been, I don't know.
Q. How many people were there? 831
A. There could have been about five or six people. And they
had set up an 0800 number for me, you know to ring. So
basically if you ring an 0800 number from your house it
doesn't come up on your phone bill, so it means then there
is no suspicion of anybody coming in to your house to see
who you are calling, the number doesn't show up. I think
one of the companies that they set up as a cover was
[deleted]. I don't know if that was ever a company.
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Sorry, sir.
Q. Sorry, go on. 832
A. So they set this up. This is what they do with the agents,
they set up a cover. So if anyone then questions your
background or anything, there is a history. And this was
[deleted]. And the 0800 number, when it worked, you would
ring it up and a lady would usually answer [deleted]. I
presume that is maybe a switchboard somewhere and then she
would put you through to your handlers, you know. They
would ask you who it is. At that stage, when I worked
solely for the army, my cover name was Kevin. That was it.
There was nothing else. And with these people they wanted
me to pick a new name, so I picked Joe for Bob. So it was
a phrase, not just one word, it was Joe for Bob.
Q. Now, if I could just take you back a little bit. 833
A. Sorry, sir, yes.
Q. You were still working for the army when you were driving 834
Mr. Blair?
A. I would have, sir.
Q. At the time of the murders we are concerned with? 835
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you had heard prior to those murders and sometime in 836
the mid-to-late eighties that Mr. Corrigan was friendly
with the IRA?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And providing them with information? 837
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you advise your handlers of that? 838
A. I would have said it, sir, yes.
Q. Sorry? 839
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A. I would have said it to them, yes, sir.
Q. Well, you would have or you did? 840
A. I did say it to them, yeah.
Q. And how often do you think you said it to them during the 841
course of that period?
A. Well, usually you would only give it the once because they
would have a record of it, sir. It is not something you
would keep repeating every week.
Q. Clearly it was a very important piece of information. Did 842
they ask you to find out some more?
A. No, sir. You see, to yo this is a very important piece of
information, and I don't mean to demean it or to make it
any less, but I mean there is other things that happen. I
mean, to me if someone was shot - it is a very hard thing
to say - if someone was shot dead, all right they are shot
dead, it's gone and you move on. With a lot of handlers it
was the exact same. It sounds very cold to a lot of
people. The army were not policemen.
Q. We have heard various people who specialised in 843
intelligence and in handling informants, and they have told
us that once you get a piece of intelligence, the thing you
really want to do is to task the provider of the
intelligence --
A. To find out more.
Q. -- with the task of going back and finding out more about 844
it, if they can?
A. If they can, yes. My whole thing was, the whole rule I was
told to pursue, and that is what I did, don't ask
questions. In the IRA -- I mean people have always, even
up to not too long ago people say: Is there any
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photographs of you and 'Mooch' together? No, there is not.
I remember one time we went to Bob Hardy, he'd came out of
prison, out of Portlaoise. There was a do on in the
Riverside Inn, which was actually just out on the
Louth/south Armagh border. Someone took a camera out and
took a photograph. They were nearly eaten. Just, you
didn't produce a camera. You didn't produce recorders,
nothing. I mean there is no photographs of me, 'Mooch',
Bob Hardy, any of them. None of us together. There is no
photos. The last thing you would have done is take photos
or even took a camera out. So, you know, the secret -- the
whole thing I was taught was: Do not ask questions. And
when I look back over the years, that has really worked,
because if you did ask questions, straightaway people
started asking -- sorry, sir.
Q. And you were arrested then three months later in June of 845
1989?
A. Right.
Q. When you were interrogated at that stage, did you -- were 846
you asked anything about your knowledge of Mr. Corrigan or
were you asked anything about the Breen/Buchanan murders?
A. Well, when I was arrested in Dundalk?
Q. Yes. 847
A. No, sir, I can't even remember what they asked me because I
wouldn't answer them. The standard procedure with IRA
volunteers is, if you are arrested you just don't answer.
So, it is a case of -- I mean I think if you ask any
policeman who interrogates people from the IRA, they will
tell you usually they just sit and look at a point on the
wall and you don't talk.
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Q. And in the course of that arrest, you say that Mr. Corrigan 848
was in the room but not asking questions?
A. Yes, he came into the room. He did definitely come into
the room. I have already stated to Mr. Corrigan's
solicitor, yes.
Q. Yes. Now, you told us that it was around this time as well 849
that you were in fact or was it in the late-eighties that
yourself and 'Mooch' and others were making bombs?
A. In the Republic of Ireland, yes, sir, we made bombs. We
experimented with new types of incendiary devices, new
mixes in fertilizer and things like that. And we also then
started working on flash units, we called it the 'Eye'.
Q. Now, did you advise your handlers of that? 850
A. Yes, sir. And at the stage just before the murder of
police officer Colleen McMurray - and I will state now on
the record I had nothing to do with that murder - I had
already told my handlers of the development of a new firing
mechanism by the Provisional IRA in Dundalk. We called it
the 'Eye'. It was a photolight sensitive switch. And what
it actually does is, if there is a certain frequency of
light, it triggers. It is just like pressing a button; it
will detonate the bomb or rocket, whatever you fire it
with.
Q. Can I take you back to the question I was asking you. Did 851
you tell them about the various locations in the Republic
where you say these matters, these things were being made?
A. Yes, sir, I did.
Q. And did you provide them with details of where they were 852
being made?
A. Yes, sir, and sometime -- one time I actually went with
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Magellan GPS, this is a satellite -- this is way before
civilians had them. I went into the Cooley Mountains, sir.
And I think at that stage my handlers gave that to the
garda. There was a tonne of explosives found in that
bunker.
Q. Where was that? 853
A. This was in the Cooley Mountains.
Q. When do you think that was? 854
A. Again, the date I can't remember. Listen, the garda people
should be able to find it very quick. It was just above
Omeath. It was a bunker in a forest. There was a long
drive up to it. This bunker was built by Blair, myself and
a few other people. Man G in the cipher as well. We dug
it out. And there was another guy, there is another guy,
we'll just call him Belfast Sean. I didn't know his
surname, but he was living in Dundalk at the time.
Q. Did you -- 855
A. Sorry, sir.
Q. Did you tell your handlers of the specific location in 856
Omeath that was raided on the 28th of August, 1989?
A. No, I hadn't got round to that, but somebody else had told
them, sir.
Q. And how long had you been using it without having told 857
them?
A. When I went down to that Omeath, with that guards in Omeath
I was only down in it once or twice. Sometimes you used a
place, you might use it once and not use it for a year.
Sometimes you moved somewhere else. But Omeath was a very
prominent point for kicking off because it was very close
to the border with Newry. It was a rural area, and there
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only was only one garda station with very few guards.
Sorry, sir.
Q. Are you prepared to accept at this stage that Mr. Corrigan 858
had nothing to do with that, that find?
A. Well, again, I was told that Mr. Corrigan had cleaned up,
"our friend". And I took "our friend" to be Mr. Corrigan.
Q. And that in fact there are still extant the various samples 859
that were taken --
A. From that, is there?
Q. -- from that place? 860
A. Well, we were told it was safe to come back, that there was
no fingerprints. And the thing is, nobody was arrested.
Q. Including overalls, clothing, gloves. 861
A. Is there fingerprints?
Q. And including some prints which were not identified? 862
A. Well, there you go.
Q. It wasn't a case that they had been cleaned up? 863
A. Well, that is what we took -- I mean, we would not have
that information, sir. I did not have that information. I
am not a police officer.
Q. Of course. I take it you knew that the man who was charged 864
and convicted in relation to it, Mr. Parker?
A. I didn't actually know him. There would be no reason for
me to know him, sir.
Q. But you would have known that he was prosecuted, 865
presumably?
A. I knew a long time after the incident, yes, he was. The
old man was actually done. There was him and his
granddaughter, I think, were staying at the house. But I
mean, when the team went down they would have no contact
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with the bombers, nothing.
Q. Well, would this not have been a matter that concerned you, 866
that this raid had occurred?
A. Why would --
Q. And clearly somebody had provided information in relation 867
to it?
A. No, sir, it happens all the time. I mean, in Newry
different things -- some of my information was
cross-referenced by -- I mean I was working as an agent
within a unit, and it was quite clear there was one, maybe
two more people within that unit that were also providing
the information that I was providing, sir.
Q. Did this not concern you? 868
A. Would it concern me, sir?
Q. Because you told us that you were, maybe not at this stage, 869
but that you were in the Internal Security Unit?
A. Yeah.
Q. Is that not what internal security units are supposed to be 870
finding out?
A. Internal security, sir, all that my job was to do usually
was to get the van, to get the groceries, go with the
arresting party, drive it and lift the person and give it
in. I didn't question suspects or anybody else. And you
have got to remember, sir, I was looking after myself
because I knew what I was doing.
Q. I take it that you had to, from what I understand from what 871
you have said, from any time you went on any of these
arrest missions, as you describe them, that you had to hire
a van for the purpose?
A. Yes, sir, that is correct.
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Q. And did you tell your handlers of that? 872
A. My handlers knew where I was getting the vans. What
actually happened at the garage, it was a filling station
out near Hilltown in a country area. I remember one day I
went out for a car, just to hire a car. And the owner of
the thing says the army landed in a helicopter and they all
came in and took every registration and all, you know, the
mileage details of every vehicle. He started getting to
worry at that stage. We were hiring cars pretty often.
Q. And your handlers knew where they were coming from? 873
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you assume that they had some sort of a tracking 874
mechanism, recording mechanism?
A. I have no idea, sir. I mean, your handlers don't tell you
everything that they are doing. Sometimes my handlers
would say, oh, nothing is going to happen here, and all of
a sudden something did happen. Now, I don't blame my
handlers for that. There is people further up the chain
make the decision. But on some occasions when these things
happened it really, really put the agent's life in extreme
danger, you know.
Q. Now, we are told, it appears, that you were -- MI5 arrived 875
on the scene in when, did you say?
A. Oh, after I came back from Eurodisney, sir.
Q. In the early '90s? 876
A. That is correct.
Q. At that stage you were working for both the army and MI5? 877
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, it appears from the information that Mr. Flanagan gave 878
out that you were working for the Special Branch as well in
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the early '90s?
A. Well, sir, I actually never worked for Special Branch. I
was being paid and handled by MI5 and one army personnel
member. As things were actually happening, this was after
even the murder of Colleen McMurray with this new rocket
device. I mean, my handlers were told that 'Mooch' had
built this device. They got me to go to London to build it
again, the firing mechanism, and basically when we came
back, say at teatime, that evening the murder actually
happened. So, it was a case, you know... What actually did
happen then, which was very worrying, the next evening the
Belfast Telegraph ran a story and it actually had a
photograph of the 'Eye' trigger device in it, which it
really panicked me, because very few people knew about
that. It was only the unit in Dundalk and south Armagh
would have known about that flash unit.
Q. You were, according to Ronnie Flanagan, an informant for 879
Special Branch from '92 to '94?
A. Well, sir, if I was an informant for Special Branch they
certainly didn't tell me. The thing is, everybody was
quite aware of my opinion of Special Branch. And Special
Branch are different from CID, they are a different type of
people.
Q. I appreciate that. 880
A. Pardon, sir?
Q. I said I appreciate that. 881
A. Yes, sir.
Q. However, it emerged, he says, that you were becoming 882
increasingly unreliable and deliberately fabricating
information?
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A. Yes, sir, he said that, but he also said I was a fantasist
and Walter Mitty, and we find out later on he apologised to
my handler for that. He was given wrong information by
people from Special Branch in Newry.
Q. I think you admitted that you had been deliberately 883
misleading people to the Stevens Inquiry?
A. Of course I did. My handlers were setting me up to be
murdered, really playing hard and fast with my life. I
mean, it is okay for people in a police station telling you
what is this and that. You talk to someone who is actually
out on the street doing the business, it's a different type
of life. The thing is, you know that you are running the
risk that if you get caught you will be murdered. The
thing is, when somebody else is playing very -- doing crazy
things with your life, it is actually a different thing.
Q. Just to take you back -- 884
A. Sorry, sir.
Q. -- to take you back to 1989, at Fintan Callan's Ceili 885
House. You were driving a vehicle that presumably your
handlers knew about?
A. I think they would have. Everybody would have known, even
the regular police would know what I was driving, yes, sir.
Q. And they would know who you were driving? 886
A. Everybody -- well, yeah, everybody knew who I was driving
about, but here, when I come here, nobody realised the
association with me and Blair. It was well-known that I
was 'Mooch' Blair's friend and I always drive him
everywhere, as he didn't drive, sir.
Q. And wasn't it reasonable to suppose from your point of view 887
that there was some form of tracking mechanism and some
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form of recording mechanism in that car?
A. No, sir. Why would there be? If there was, I didn't know
about it. And why would I take it automatically that there
would be? That is not always the case. I have been on
jobs where my handlers have told me under no circumstances
do you record anything. I mean, I have been to jobs even
where I got involved with people with the IRA and the
Mafia. And I came to England to meet the guy. And the
first thing the guy did was, he took us to a club in
Kentish Town Road called Rio's, and it was a health club.
And the first thing he did, he says is, "Everbody naked and
in swim." There was to way to carry -- I mean this is the
type of people -- you are dealing with paranoid people
straightaway. They are not like ordinary, well ordinary
criminals nowadays might be like that, but back then the
paramilitaries were really paranoid. I mean, even when I
had the car that MI5 gave me there was a recording device
in it. I was actually told never record anyone when they
are in the car. That device had a specific purpose and
that was to drive around the streets, I would flick a
switch under the driver's column and I would call out the
registrations and makes of cars outside people's houses.
And my explicit instruction was never use it to record
conversations because you would get the dead man's click,
you know if the tape -- in them days it was a tape, an
audio tape. And the recorder was secreted in behind the
ashtray. It was very, very expertly done.
Q. But to take you back to Fintan Callan's Ceili House. 888
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You got there, Mr. Blair got out of the car, isn't that 889
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right?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And he went into it and came back out, you say, with 890
Mr. O'Callaghan?
A. He came out in front with Mr. Corrigan, yes.
Q. Or Mr. Corrigan, sorry. 891
A. Yes.
Q. Now, you have told us that the terrorist organisations were 892
paranoid?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Well, isn't it, therefore, absolutely unbelievable that893
Mr. Corrigan would get into the car to give him the
information about Mr. Oliver, rather than give it to him as
he was standing outside and out of your earshot?
A. Well, sir, you would have to ask them that. I mean, that
is what happened; he got into the car. I mean, I have been
to meetings with 'Mooch' Blair and other people, and the
fact that you are with those certain people, people will
talk because they will automatically take it that you are
one of those people and trusted, you know. You know, of
course it would be logical if he had of said it in the pub
or in the toilet, but that's not the way it happened. They
came out into the car. So I can't change that, sir.
Q. I have to suggest to you that is absolutely unbelievable, 894
that in front of somebody whom he did not know, that he
would say anything as sensitive as naming Mr. Oliver?
A. Well, sir, all I can say is that is the way it did happen.
You know, you think it would be logical for any policeman
not to talk about anything to anybody, never mind that just
that one there.
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Q. You then went on to work for -- sorry, you were involved in 895
1994, I think, was the question, with the intended attack
on the senior policeman?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And that resulted in you being in Castlerea for a number of 896
days being interrogated?
A. Yes, that was an attack on Chief Superintendent --
Q. You are not to mention his name. 897
A. It is public knowledge, sir. It has already been in
newspapers, been on TV. It's a very famous, well infamous
attack where everybody was caught.
Q. What -- 898
A. Sorry, sir.
Q. What made you take the phone out in your wife's name? 899
A. At that time those people in Belfast, the guy is dead, it
was Jerry Badley, Bradley, sorry, he is DHQ staff. And
they were doing a job and he says "We need a basher." A
basher is a phone.
Q. You have told us about what a basher is. 900
A. Oh, sorry, sir, I was just going to explain.
Q. You have told us what that was. What made you get a phone 901
in your wife's name?
A. The thing is, they needed it very quickly, and I could not
purchase a basher. I would have to come to London to
purchase a basher, because anyone that had a basher would
keep it, because it's free telephone calls. So the thing
is, they needed it quickly. So my handler says get one on
contract. So they said they would pay the bill. So I had
no problem, I absolutely believed them.
Q. For what possible reason would you get one on contract? 902
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Wasn't clearly the thing to do to get one that was a
pay-as-you-go, that nobody would know what you did with it?
A. In those days pay-as-you-go did not exist.
Q. I think it existed before contract? 903
A. Well, not that I knew of, sir. When you went to Vodack
Northern Ireland or Vodafone you had to take a contract.
Q. Because it certainly meant that the phones could be 904
listened to?
A. Yes, sir, I know that.
Q. Monitored? 905
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And therefore easily traced back to your wife, which left 906
yourself in a position where you were going to be a
suspect?
A. No, sir, it doesn't always work that way. Yes, I give the
phone to MI5 knowing that it would be monitored. The bill
would be paid. I have been on jobs where MI5 and my
handlers let things run for intelligence-gathering, no
action is taken. You know, they used to have a great
saying: Bricks and mortar can be replaced, human life
can't. At times agents were allowed to plant bombs that
blew up buildings and broke windows, and it'd give them
great credibility. If every device or every job that an
agent was going on was compromised, the roads would be
littered every weekend with dead people.
Q. But isn't that what you were doing, you were compromising 907
it by getting it in your wife's name?
A. No, sir, I wasn't compromising it, because the simple
reason is my handlers told me to get it. Usually when my
handlers said they would cover something, trust me, these
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people, they did what they said, and if they said nothing
is going to happen, trust me, nothing would happen. My
handlers -- you know, allegedly I have done lots of things
with the knowledge of my handlers. I have never been
brought to book. I wasn't even arrested, sir. But yet,
since all this has all stopped now, there is police
investigations. The Ombudsman has done her investigations
and found that my handlers never did things by the book.
And again -- sorry, sir.
Q. To take you back to the incident, Mr. Callan's Ceili House. 908
I take it you reported that to your handlers?
A. I would have said that yes, sir. To me -- I know to yous
it sounds such an astonishing thing. Sir, we were doing
things every day and nothing -- I know it may be very hard
to believe, but nothing surprised me, nothing shocked me.
You know, sometimes I had a very cold way of looking at
things.
Q. We were discussing it before, yesterday I think, that you 909
were saying that there were little bits of information
because little bits of information --
A. Make a big picture.
Q. -- make up a jigsaw?910
A. Absolutely, sir. It is not up to one agent to make the
whole jigsaw.
Q. Yes. But clearly, it was important (A), that911
Mr. O'Callaghan was giving information and --
A. Mr. Corrigan.
Q. Apologies, Mr. O'Callaghan. That Mr. Corrigan was giving 912
information?
A. Yes.
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Q. It was equally very important that you -- that Mr. Blair 913
had said in your presence that he was going to kill him?
A. Yeah, but Mr. Blair had threatened to kill people, and did
kill people on a regular basis, sir.
Q. But aren't they two very important pieces of information 914
that you could have passed on?
A. I would have said it certainly, sir. It is the same when
they wanted to shoot the cleaner.
Q. And at this stage how -- 915
A. Go on.
Q. At this stage how often were you meeting your handlers? 916
A. Sometimes once, twice a week, sometimes once a month, and
then as things get bigger and going, I would meet them
maybe three, four times a week, if there is major, major
developments.
Q. And you had a phone call that you could ring them on, a 917
phone number?
A. Usually, yes, sir.
Q. So that it was the easiest thing in the world to advise 918
them of these two very important pieces of information; one
that a man was going to be killed and two --
A. No, sir, you are saying there, one, that a man was going to
be killed. The man has to admit that he's an informant.
And he was not killed on the first abduction, sir.
Q. Sorry, you told us that he did not admit on the first 919
abduction, you say there were two?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Well, then why, if you say he was going to be released if 920
he didn't admit it, was he rearrested?
A. I wasn't here when he was rearrested. I know the other
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gentleman beside you thinks I was part of the murder team
that killed Tom Oliver. That is not the case.
Q. Doesn't it directly contradict what you said was the 921
policy; that if you didn't admit it you were let go and if
you did admit it you were executed?
A. Oh, you were down a hole, yeah, yeah. But the thing is, I
was not there the second time when he was killed. So I
don't know if he admitted it or not, of what he had done.
I have heard many stories since and they have been in the
media, that he was taped. I don't know, I wasn't there.
Q. But it contradicts what you say was your theory? 922
A. What does?
Q. Of what was supposed to happen? 923
A. No, usually if a person is giving information, you are
usually abducted -- you're usually arrested, that's the
term the IRA use. They will arrest you and question you.
Sir, I have been where many a men, a variety of volunteers
living elsewhere have been arrested and released, that
nothing has happened to them. That's not to say they were
an informant at the start, but they were suspected. On a
number of occasions I was questioned by the Internal
Security Unit myself, you know. But the thing is, I was
passing information, but was able to bluff it out because I
never admitted it and it was believed, you know. But on
the last occasion after the Derek Martindale thing, you
know it wasn't believed, you know. It had gone too far and
I was going to be murdered.
Q. And I think then you started acting for the Customs at that 924
stage?
A. Yes, sir. At that stage I had a big fallouts with my
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handlers over the Derek Martindale stuff. I mean I was
really put in a bad position over that there, my life was
in danger.
Q. So who were you now working for in total? 925
A. I am not working for anyone now, sir.
Q. No, sorry, at this stage? 926
A. At that stage I only worked for Customs. I passed them on
information that MI5 never acted on. Again, I think I have
told you, sir, MI5 and Special Branch have a different way
of operating from CID or Customs. And basically what
actually was happening was, the people I was giving them
the information on would have been hardened terrorists and
usually what you found, sometimes people did get arrested
and were arrested on the job and done for it in the courts.
Other times my brief would be is to find out people, what
were their weaknesses is, what the problems is in their
home. And I would pass that information on to my MI5
handlers. MI5, in a way they operate differently from
Special Branch and from army and -- sorry, sir.
Q. Can I just take you to the question I was asking you about? 927
A. Sorry, sir.
Q. At the time did you start working or giving information to 928
the Customs?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Are you still being paid by the military and MI5? 929
A. No, sir, no, that relationship had ended. I finished
living on bad blood. Working as an agent and informant is
very stressful. And the thing is, especially when it is
with paramilitaries because you are guaranteed you are
going to close a road if you are caught; you are going to
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be murdered.
Q. So you were then without a source of cash income? 930
A. Yes, sir.
Q. So you started working for the Customs? 931
A. Yeah, but hold on a minute, this is what everybody says and
a lot of yous are getting it wrong. With CID and Customs
you don't get a wage; you are paid on a result. So the
thing is, any money I had saved up, if I am doing an
operation with them, usually I would pay for everything
myself. So, if I had to go to France or to anywhere, I
would pay that myself. And at the end of the day if we you
do get a result, then I get my money for my operation.
Customs employed me on a basis for actual
intelligence-gathering. And the thing was, I knew the
people in south Armagh, I knew the people in different
areas that were doing the smuggling. That was sometimes
drugs, cigarettes, tobacco. There was VAT scams. It was
all connected with the paramilitaries, but criminal
activities as well. The thing is; I knew a lot of the
people involved in it and it was very easy then to take
them out. Even though I wasn't in the IRA anymore, I was
able to use that information that I had gleaned while I had
been a member of the IRA and people I had met. And I
targeted these people with Customs and other people.
Because it was quite clear MI5 and Special Branch were not
arresting them. And again, you know, they operate totally
different than CID, you know. Sorry, sir.
Q. Sorry. Just for a period then you were working only for 932
the Customs and getting paid as you went along?
A. Sometimes I didn't even get paid. Sometimes we just got
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the information on the people and the Customs handler I had
was a really nice man, and again, this is not the army-type
or MI5, this is an intelligence officer with Customs and
Excise. And the information we were getting, it was
actually good, because we were catching bad guys.
Q. And you were doing this out of the goodness of your heart? 933
A. Sir, sometimes it became a labour of love. You might find
that hard to believe. But it is actually -- ask some of
your policemen colleagues, maybe, or friends, they will
tell you, when they catch bad guys it is a good buzz. When
you save people's lives, even working as an agent or and
informant, it is good. The feeling is bad, but it is
scarey if the thing goes wrong and they start suspecting
you. That is the way everybody goes. It is a good feeling
when you save a life. It's not good when something bad
happens or when someone gets hurt or murdered, but you have
to live with it and you get on. And that is the way -- I
mean, we can all run Special Branch down. There was good
people in Special Branch and there was bad. There was good
times and bad times with Special Branch, with army and MI5.
Q. And then you -- 934
A. Sorry, sir.
Q. -- then you went on to Witness 71, who gave evidence. You 935
rang him up sometime in August 1997 and offered him
information on drugs and general crime?
A. In what year?
Q. 1997? 936
A. Right. Yes, that was after Customs. I will tell you what
actually happened is, the Customs handler I had advised me
that Customs could not handle the stuff that I was giving
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them and he says about going to the police. And I said no,
I wouldn't go to Special Branch, and I told him why. But
he already knew because some of his Customs colleagues had
gone to Special Branch about me. And Special Branch and
myself had a bad run-in with MI5; you know the whole
relationship went very sour because I believe they set me
up to be murdered, and again, set me up a few times very
recklessly that would have cost me my life. There was bad
blood. So, I went in and he says about CID. So I went in
to Antrim Road police station and spoke to Witness 71. And
he had a colleague with him at that time, I think it was
another Detective Sergeant, but he retired from the Force
shortly after that. But in the meantime, I gave him
information on a major smuggler in the Newry area who was
also a Special Branch informant and who has been covered by
Special Branch. He was taking in drugs, cigarettes
everything. I gave him information on that person because
clearly MI5 weren't doing anything about it.
Q. Now, at the stage you start giving information to CID, what 937
other agencies did you have any involvement with?
A. At the time of CID, I was just working with this one person
here, and at that time we targeted, again it's a man who
has been convicted, a Mafia guy called Luigi Marotta.
Marotta was based in London, he was actually from Milan or
somewhere, but he was based in London and he did computer
chips. Computer chips at that time were a very high value
small package.
Q. And I think that item which you reported, I think that 938
robbery never took place?
A. But that is not my fault. I mean --
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Q. I am not saying it is? 939
A. No, no, I just want to make sure, you know, just so the
Tribunal know. Those conversations were recorded by me
with the police in presence, and they knew from their own
listening devices in some of the people's houses involved
that this was being planned. You know, just in case -- as
you know it never happened. This is not misinformation,
sir. This was a live operation that was running. But that
actual operation did not come off. They were going to
hijack the container lorries full of microchips. But what
happened straight on the run-off of that is, these people
had got access, these IRA people in Derry, they got access
to -- they had a cleaner who was working in St. Brendan's,
it's a liquor factory. What this cleaner did actually was
took, you know these cheques that's printed out from the
company are on big rolls or a floppy thing that come out of
a box, the cleaner took a number of cheques from the bottom
of the box, so they wouldn't have been missed. So Marotta
then was a person who had people in the banking places in
Milan and Monte Carlo, they could launder money and change
cheques. So basically what it was, when they said this to
me I said it to my handlers. And they'd put another
operation in straight off the roll-off of the microchips,
because it was the exact same people that were going to do
the microchips that had the St. Brendan's cheques.
Q. These were the CID people? 940
A. No, no, this is the people I was giving it to, yes, CID.
This was Witness 71, who was Drug Squad, but when this
thing came up, he went to the Financial Crime Unit, which
was Witness 70.
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Q. And that's the man who was here before him, Witness 70? 941
A. He was here this morning?
Q. No, he was here before Witness 71? 942
A. Oh, right. Sorry, I didn't know that.
Q. Tell us now that you've mentioned him -- 943
A. Yes, sir.
Q. -- he gave evidence that you and he and another senior 944
detective --
A. Yes, sir.
Q. -- went down south? 945
A. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Q. And that you were to take him to the factory or a factory 946
where you said that the, was it the Omagh bomb was built?
A. No, sir, you're incorrect there. I told him that -- when a
certain senior police officer got on TV after the Omagh
bombing, I mean before that I gave Witness 71 the
information I had about Blair. And every time I'd go back
to him, I say, "Is there any..." He said, yeah; he made
inquiries, something was being done. He was under the
impression that the RUC were doing action -- they were
actioning the information. So it went on. But one day the
senior investigating officer was on television and he
started crying. That was [deleted]. He cried on
television. And it annoyed me. So I actually rang him and
I got through to his personal assistant, sort of Batman,
you know his assistant in the police. And I told him that
I had information and that I did work for the police. And
we arranged a call the next day. So I called him the next
day and I spoke to [deleted] and I said about I worked for
the RUC, and I gave him the names of 70 and 71. And he
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says, "I'm their boss." And it actually shocked me. I
mean, if he was their boss, he should have known about this
stuff. So we arranged a meeting, and it was in the Europa
Hotel. [Deleted] came around to me with another policeman,
who I don't know, and we went through the thing that I told
'71. And he says, "Right, right." And I says -- he went
through the things and I told him about 'Mooch' Blair and
everything else, and he went back and checked things. And
then we arranged to talk again on the phone and I spoke to
him. And I think at this time 71 was away on a holiday, he
was on holidays. So he arranged with 70 and himself that
I'd take them to a place -- I did not say the Omagh bomb
was made there, because it came out that it was
Carrickmacross, that area that they suspected. At the
start they thought it was up around south Armagh. And I
said I know a place there where 'Mooch' Blair used when he
was with the Provisional IRA to make explosives and
mortars. So --
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A. It was just outside Carrickmacross. I mean, I can't name
the road, but I could drive you to it, right house, yeah.
This house was used before by the Provisional IRA.
Q. Because your counsel suggested that it was a place in 948
Kingscourt, County Cavan?
A. Well, it's Carrickmacross. It is just outside
Carrickmacross. There is a hotel on the left. I don't
know the name of the hotel. But you go down past the
hotel, it is about three stops and you go right and in to
the countryside. If you get a car I will drive you to it.
Q. And nobody got out of the car? 949
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A. No, sir.
Q. And nobody took a picture?950
A. And I will tell you what actually happened, we actually
went down one wrong road. And at that time there is a car
pulled out in front of us and three fellas get out, and we
all nearly shit ourselves, because they thought that I had
set them up and I thought -- I didn't know because nobody
knew where we were going because I met them in Aughnacloy
and I switched to their car. But in the end, we went back
up the road, went on the other road and there we spotted
the house. They took a note of it. And the way the police
tried to discredit this with the Omagh stuff was, they says
ah, they raided it and the man got a court order to stop
the guards, you know, from raiding him. When the
Provisional IRA were using it to build bombs, this is
before, some attacks in Northern Ireland many years before
it, the guards -- this guy already had an injunction to
stop the guards, you know, raiding his place. He must have
shouted -- it was -- you know, how could you say it? I
don't know the word.
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through just briefly these items. The point was that the
witness understood that he was being taken to somewhere in
connection with Omagh and it wasn't in fact, is that what
you are telling us?
A. Sir, he shouldn't be saying that it was in connection with
Omagh, it was a possibility that this place may have been
used to build a bomb. No one said that it was where the
bomb was made. That was never said, sir. It was said this
is a place where 'Mooch' Blair and the IRA used many times
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to build bombs in that area, and it was thought that it was
relevant that they should maybe look to see it just in
case, you know. But it was not said this is where it was
built. That is not the case, sir.
Q. I think then, that your relationship with the CID 952
terminated around the time of the Omagh bomb?
A. Shortly after it, sir. Do you want me to give you the
instance of what happened, do you? Would you like the
answer?
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did it not?
A. It terminated because we were targeting 'Mooch' Blair at
this stage and at this stage 'Mooch' Blair was looking --
he'd give shopping lists for the Real IRA. And at that
stage I went and got them bullet-proof vests. These were
bullet-proof vests with 30 calibre plates. These would
stop most rifles, you know, at that time. So I actually
went to Birmingham and I purchased bullet-proof vests bit
by bit, and my handlers knew about that. Bullet-proof
vests are totally legal. So I was supplying 'Mooch' Blair
with these vests. I remember at one time Witness 70 met me
with 71, he says, "Some of your vests have turned up in
Dublin." There was an armoured car robbed here in Dublin,
and I think the guys got out with AKAs but they had the
bullet-proof vests on. But after the robbery the guards
had found some of the vests. So my handlers knew straight
away. These were Israeli vests. They are a very special
type; you know they weren't very common. But also one of
these vests was also used when a Real IRA bomber drive a
bomb to Gough Barracks in Armagh. He abandoned the car
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outside, but luckily he was arrested, and he was wearing
one of these bullet-proof vests as well. Also, at that
time, sir, the garda, it must have been in Dundalk or one
of the surrounding areas, found an arms dump, there was
explosives. And I remember in the news it says there were
a number of bullet-proof vests, and these were these vests
again. But in that dump there was a new type of explosive
device, I never found out what new type of explosive device
was there. So the thing is, we were targeting 'Mooch'.
These things were all adding up to 'Mooch's' as well
connection with the Real IRA team. So at that time --
'Mooch' Blair knew that I was travelling back and forth to
London, I was doing different things. So we met up. He
thought I was dealing with drug dealers, but of course I
knew drug dealers because I was hanging them to the police
and Customs. He said he had access to a million Viagra
tablets. So I says right. I told 71 that 'Mooch' has
access to a million Viagra tablets. At that time they were
selling on the black-market for £10 a tablet. So I told
him my friend, the drug dealer, rich guy in England would
come over and give him £5 per tablet, but he needed a
sample. So I remember I got a blister pack off 'Mooch', it
was a four-pack with blisters but two tablets were missing.
So I handed the sample to 71, my handler, and he checked
this out with -- it must have been with the garda and
everybody else, and the factory. And I think Pfizer told
him at that time that, yes, that is their tablet and it is
not in public -- you know it came from a secure place, it
wasn't released to the public. So, 71 was in the process
of setting up a sting to basically catch 'Mooch' Blair and
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those people.
Q. Where did you -- did you understand that 'Mooch' already 954
was in possession of these items?
A. No, no, 'Mooch' said he had access to them, so he got me a
sample. So I brought the sample -- the things were in
secure storage. So they had access to the secure storage.
So usually when it's that, it is usually, usually, I can't
say it is definite, a security man, a helpful hand inside
would normally give them the inside information, which he
must have had, because apparently the blister pack was not
on public --it was not out in public. It was supposed to
be in a secure storage place, but quite clearly 'Mooch' got
hold of it. So, the RUC, it would have been the RUC at the
time, 71 was setting up a thing and whatever way he put it
through the system, it was blocked by Special Branch. So
there was an operation where 'Mooch' Blair again was going
to be targeted. There was evidence that 'Mooch' Blair had
access to Viagra tablets for a terrorist organisation that
were in secure storage. It was quite clear, he gave us a
sample. And they were going to make, possibly, 5 million
pound; that's what they thought they were going to make,
the Real IRA.
Q. We only heard of this allegation yesterday -- 955
A. You only heard of it yesterday, sir, did you?
Q. -- that you gave, that you gave information to your 956
handler, number 71?
A. You didn't know it before that, sir, no?
Q. No. Now, having checked as quickly as we can -- 957
A. Sorry, sir?
Q. -- there appears to be no, no record of any such 958
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allegation with the Fraud Squad and the Garda Síochána?
A. With the Viagra tablets?
Q. Um-hmm. 959
A. I don't think that is right, sir.
Q. There is no record of any such item? 960
A. Well, I think we would need to call Witness 71 again, sir,
and ask him that. I think maybe, sir, you are not playing
with all the notes. Maybe you don't have a copy of all of
the notes, do you? It is my understanding it is known
about.
Q. As I say, insofar as we have been able to check with the 961
Fraud Squad here, they have no record of it and nobody has
any recollection of any such incident?
A. Oh, right. Maybe the record-keeping system is maybe not up
to... I don't know.
Q. Because it is not something that anybody was likely to 962
forget?
A. Well, I never forgot about it, sir. I am sure Witness 71
has not forgot about it either.
Q. And I think the case that you -- you know then that as a 963
result of a newspaper article, I think it was in the
Sunday People, you have attributed it to the Sunday Press,
but as a result of an article in the Sunday People that the
Ombudsman conducted an investigation?
A. No, no, I knew that was in the paper. I mean, I did not
give that story. At that stage, sir, that person was very
hostile to me. It was -- the editor was Greg Harkin, and
he was the author of this story. At this time I was living
in England on the run. And of course, the paper came out I
told cops about Omagh. But of course I never told cops
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about Omagh and I never soak to that journalist.
Q. And this was on the 29th of July, 2001, in the Sunday 964
People?
A. Yeah. I mean, after that the Ombudsman then started her
own investigation. I mean I was no source; I was not a
source in that paper. I mean the headline -- I was
actually -- when the Ombudsman's people did come and talk
to me, they say, "Did you?" I said, "I've never spoke to
that journalist in my life." At that stage I hadn't spoke
to that journalist. That journalist up until then was
putting stories in the papers that actually exposed me and
would cause me harm.
Q. And I think you had in fact given various bits of 965
information to your CID handler which tended to implicate
Mr. Blair in the matter?
A. In which, the Omagh bomb?
Q. In Omagh? 966
A. Yes, sir. And a number of attacks just before the Omagh
bomb where he was mixing explosives and bombs did go off a
few days after each time I reported to my handler.
Q. And undoubtedly, you are aware, then, that Mr. Flanagan, 967
subsequent to that, issued a statement dealing with the
various pieces of information that had been given in which
he said that Mr. Blair and another person had been under
constant surveillance for the previous week?
A. Just when you bring that up, sir, that other person was
known as Man B in the Ombudsman's report. Man A was
'Mooch' Blair. Man B was, what do you call it? Man B was
- I don't want to say his name here.
Q. Well, if you would like to write it down then, perhaps? 968
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A. Yeah, yeah, certainly, sir.
CHAIRMAN: Do you want to see it, Mr. Durack?
A. I think I actually wrote it down the other day, we've dealt
with this the other day, but show me and I'll do it again.
CHAIRMAN: Do you want to see it, Mr. Durack?
MR. DURACK: No, no, I am content if you have it.
(Witness writes name and hands it to the Chairman.)
And I think Mr. Flanagan confirmed that Mr. Blair had never
been a suspect in relation to --
A. No, I think what Mr. Flanagan said, that 'Mooch' Blair,
that Man A, was never a police informant. So, therefore,
he broke -- the only two people he has actually broke the
rule for, neither confirm nor deny, is myself and 'Mooch'
Blair. This is the same time that he called me a Walter
Mitty and fantasist, but we have since found out, through
this Tribunal, that he had apologised for that to my
handler. The thing is, Man B, in the Omagh bomb report by
the Ombudsman, the name is here, so it is, you will find
that, a number of years later, he was arrested for another
thing where his DNA was there and they were saying he had
no connection with Omagh, but yet they tried to connect
him, many years later, with the Omagh bomb, as well. They
actually made a connection with his blood type. He was up
for another --
Q. Sorry, the point being, in any case, that what Mr. Flanagan 969
said was that he had been under surveillance for the
previous week?
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A. Right. Well, then, they would have seen me, then, going up
and down to Dundalk. It is quite clear surveillance,
maybe, wasn't as good as they thought it was.
Q. And I think there's a number of items that you had provided 970
to your CID person?
A. Yeah.
Q. In fact, you were relating them to other people when, in 971
fact, you were the one who was actually doing the things
yourself?
A. No, sir. Give me the instances, please, so that I can
correct you on them, because I don't think you are playing
with the full set of notes there.
Q. Now, there appears to be, on the 6th of June, 1998, that 972
you said that the New IRA was looking for cash to buy
weapons and coffee grinders?
A. Yes, sir, and they were actually targeting people to rob.
One of those places that I told my handler about was the
Hermitage Bar in Newry. Also, another guy was a guy called
Patrick Doyle, he was a drug dealer/smuggler. And what
actually happened is, lo and behold, the owner of the
Hermitage Bar, his house was robbed. Also, Pat Doyle was
robbed as well, sir. You know, so, sir, I don't think you
are playing with the full facts.
Q. Well, what Mr. Flanagan said -- 973
A. Mr. Flanagan said, sometimes, more things than he really
meant and he had to back down later on, sir.
Q. Was that, in fact, it was you that was doing this and not 974
Mr. Blair?
A. So it was me doing the robberies?
Q. Well, looking to organise them? 975
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A. No, no, that is not correct. The thing was, I told my
handlers that 'Mooch' Blair was actually looking for places
to rob, and places that he had suggested I told my
handlers. I think your notes are actually up the left.
Q. And on the 23rd of July, '98, there was -- you made a 976
suggestion that Mr. A, or Mr. Blair, was organising bombs
and that he was collecting body armour, which you have told
us that you were doing that?
A. Yes, sir. Sure I have already told my handlers that I was
supplying him with the body armour. This isn't -- I don't
really get what he is at, sir. I had already told my
handlers that Blair was looking for body armour and I was
going to supply it, which I did. My handlers knew that.
Q. Essentially, the suggestion is that you were providing 977
information that was untrue and that you knew was untrue?
A. Sir, I don't know how providing the information about the
body armour was untrue when I was supplying the body
armour. My handlers knew about it. And when a robbery
happened in Dublin, and it was these paramilitaries, or
they think it was, they found the body armour there. They
found it in a Real IRA arms dump just outside Dundalk.
They also found it when the Real IRA drove a bomb to Gough
Barracks in Armagh. The guy was arrested wearing it. How
is that wrong information, sir?
Q. Now, you found all of this very exciting, your involvement 978
in all of these events?
A. Sir, that is what you actually do, is, like, policemen and
soldiers, ask a policeman running in a unit that is doing
that, they will find it very exciting, sir. It goes with
the job.
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Q. You told us originally that when you were dealing with your 979
army men, that you used to meet them in houses and cars and
things?
A. Yes, sir, that is correct.
Q. But then you suggest that you were doing an awful lot of 980
travelling subsequently?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you mentioned Paris? 981
A. Yes, sir, MI5 -- that's the difference: When the army were
debriefing you, and that, it was usually in a car in a car
park, or you would drive somewhere, maybe into an army
base, and you would do the debrief there, in the side of a
van, they would slide the door back, get in and drive and
debrief you. When MI5 took over, everybody used to have a
saying for them, they were the rich cousins, because, I
mean, MI5 had a budget that everybody else didn't have.
And MI5 would fly you sometimes to Paris for a debrief,
sometimes they would fly you to Edinburgh, to Scotland, to
London, for a day or two days, and they'd debrief you. The
whole purpose of that is to get you out of the cauldron, to
get you out of Northern Ireland for a rest, get you out of
the place for a break.
Q. And how -- 982
A. Sorry.
Q. Sorry, go on, continue. Don't let me stop you. 983
A. That is actually what they would do, they would take you to
these places. It gives you and it gives them a nicer air
to debrief you. You are not in the cauldron, you are not
in south Down, south Armagh, Belfast. There is no risk of
getting caught, and it is easier for you, easier for them.
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It is R and R, it is a break.
MR. DURACK: I am told it is 4 o'clock.
CHAIRMAN: It is 4 o'clock. I was going to suggest --
MR. DURACK: I won't be very much longer but --
CHAIRMAN: Do you want five minutes?
MR. DURACK: No, I think we should leave it until tomorrow.
CHAIRMAN: I think it is probably easier. So we will say
11 o'clock tomorrow morning, then. May I ask at this
point, how many other questions will -- how many other
counsel propose to cross-examine tomorrow?
MS. MULVIHILL: Yes, you do.
MR. COFFEY: I don't propose to put any questions to this
witness.
MS. O'SULLIVAN: I am in the same situation as Mr. Coffey.
At the moment, I don't propose to put any questions.
MR. ROBINSON: I have no questions.
MR. ROURKE: I will have some questions, Mr. Chairman.
MR. RAFFERTY: I will have a re-examination, but I would
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imagine that I can deal with that in short compass.
CHAIRMAN: Who is that last contribution from?
MR. RAFFERTY: That was myself, on behalf of Mr. Keeley.
CHAIRMAN: Yes. Thank you very much. Then there will be
the re-examination by Mrs. Laverty, isn't that so? Yes.
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13:14, 34:8, 46:5, 47:27, 48:17, 61:13, 88:19, 103:6, 127:7, 129:25, 129:26, 152:9, 152:10
answers [1] - 61:13anti [1] - 97:14anti-republican [1] -
97:14Antrim [1] - 147:10any.. [1] - 149:18anyhow [2] - 40:25, 47:6anyway [1] - 123:8apologies [1] - 141:28apologised [3] - 6:28,
136:2, 157:19appeal [1] - 109:30Appeal [1] - 24:11appear [4] - 36:7, 88:3,
109:8, 121:20appeared [1] - 70:3appreciate [6] - 7:17,
7:24, 24:20, 83:5, 135:24, 135:26
apprehended [1] - 37:16approach [1] - 31:11approached [2] - 52:2,
109:14appropriate [1] - 81:17April [5] - 49:27, 91:8,
91:13, 119:22, 119:25area [10] - 2:27, 30:14,
38:10, 51:14, 124:2, 131:30, 134:4, 147:14, 150:14, 152:1
areas [2] - 145:16, 153:4arm [1] - 70:11Armagh [11] - 24:9,
26:30, 123:15, 124:2, 129:5, 135:15, 145:15, 150:15, 152:30, 159:23, 160:29
armed [1] - 68:8armour [6] - 159:7,
159:10, 159:12, 159:17, 159:18, 159:20
armoured [1] - 152:23
arms [2] - 153:4, 159:21Army [12] - 14:30, 22:10,
51:12, 82:21, 83:7, 83:9, 83:13, 83:23, 84:23, 98:7, 109:10, 109:29
army [40] - 11:14, 11:15, 68:2, 83:29, 84:4, 85:11, 87:14, 97:28, 104:25, 109:20, 109:25, 109:27, 112:14, 112:16, 115:1, 116:9, 116:10, 116:16, 116:19, 117:7, 117:26, 117:27, 118:5, 118:27, 122:18, 126:3, 126:17, 126:19, 127:11, 127:17, 128:18, 134:6, 134:27, 135:3, 144:19, 146:2, 146:20, 160:2, 160:9, 160:11
army-type [1] - 146:2aroused [1] - 88:16arrange [2] - 75:5, 114:23arranged [5] - 114:23,
149:28, 150:3, 150:9, 150:11
arrangement [1] - 116:8arrest [8] - 24:24, 25:7,
25:8, 57:6, 67:30, 130:1, 133:28, 143:16
arrested [29] - 5:13, 24:7, 24:16, 24:20, 25:21, 27:7, 32:15, 37:17, 57:5, 57:10, 60:18, 88:10, 94:7, 94:12, 94:22, 105:28, 106:9, 129:16, 129:22, 129:26, 132:12, 141:5, 143:15, 143:18, 144:13, 144:14, 153:1, 157:22, 159:23
arresting [2] - 133:22, 145:26
arrived [7] - 52:14, 69:1, 79:10, 79:30, 82:9, 83:16, 134:22
artefact [1] - 3:15artefacts [1] - 3:14article [10] - 69:21, 86:26,
99:5, 99:22, 101:7, 101:10, 102:11, 102:15, 155:21, 155:23
articulate [1] - 15:25AS [4] - 1:2, 2:2, 82:1,
109:5ashtray [1] - 137:27aside [3] - 19:22, 22:8,
30:26assassinate [1] - 69:30assaulted [1] - 96:14assessment [3] - 19:5,
79:29, 101:15asset [3] - 69:13, 69:16assist [7] - 22:25, 22:26,
35:21, 35:22, 90:3, 90:5, 108:30
assistance [13] - 9:9, 14:22, 14:24, 19:17, 19:22, 19:28, 20:1,
20:18, 20:20, 20:28, 21:21, 22:11, 95:3
assistant [2] - 149:25, 149:26
assisted [5] - 8:14, 16:5, 16:15, 22:3, 22:17
assisting [8] - 8:13, 8:16, 8:22, 9:24, 21:28, 23:9, 96:12, 103:20
assists [1] - 35:24associate [1] - 95:1associated [3] - 7:18,
7:25, 95:2associating [2] - 31:8,
124:7association [1] - 136:26assume [3] - 73:14,
118:28, 134:12assumed [3] - 84:19,
84:20, 119:3assumption [1] - 82:18assure [1] - 69:21assured [2] - 120:2, 120:9astonishing [8] - 10:8,
10:10, 10:11, 34:20, 35:12, 35:13, 35:28, 141:13
AT [1] - 162:11Atlantic [1] - 101:8attach [1] - 106:27attack [8] - 84:11, 94:12,
94:22, 94:29, 95:4, 139:2, 139:7, 139:11
attacked [2] - 83:26, 96:24
attacks [3] - 10:13, 151:16, 156:18
attempt [1] - 24:13attention [3] - 11:17,
61:14, 88:16attention-seeking [1] -
61:14Attorney [1] - 12:29attributed [2] - 102:24,
155:22audio [1] - 137:26Aughnacloy [1] - 151:8August [9] - 9:2, 14:27,
20:5, 36:18, 66:20, 66:22, 66:30, 131:20, 146:24
author [1] - 155:28authorities [1] - 64:11automatically [2] - 137:3,
138:19available [1] - 55:1Avenue [2] - 24:7, 118:10aware [49] - 2:16, 3:3,
3:17, 4:1, 4:5, 5:30, 6:2, 8:8, 8:15, 8:21, 9:9, 9:24, 10:15, 13:5, 13:19, 13:21, 16:18, 17:29, 19:25, 23:28, 23:30, 26:24, 31:30, 35:26, 36:16, 43:2, 43:3, 51:20, 64:10, 69:30, 73:9, 76:11, 79:10, 79:12, 79:13,
79:15, 81:7, 83:9, 85:26, 95:24, 96:23, 99:5, 102:27, 102:28, 106:20, 106:21, 107:29, 135:21, 156:21
awful [1] - 160:5aye [1] - 88:13
Bbackground [1] - 127:5bad [12] - 102:7, 118:1,
144:2, 144:27, 146:5, 146:10, 146:12, 146:15, 146:19, 146:20, 147:5, 147:8
Badley [1] - 139:16bald [1] - 30:1Ballykinler [3] - 110:4,
111:17, 112:5Ballymac' [1] - 51:1Ballymascanlon [3] -
50:30, 67:25, 68:11Ballymena [4] - 110:1,
111:4, 111:25, 111:30bang [2] - 18:7, 23:1banking [1] - 148:19Bar [2] - 158:18, 158:21bar [3] - 51:7, 52:15,
52:16barracks [1] - 111:29Barracks [4] - 110:1,
110:10, 152:30, 159:23Barry [1] - 69:12bars [2] - 51:8, 51:9base [1] - 160:12based [7] - 13:26, 33:12,
50:20, 96:5, 110:1, 147:24, 147:25
basher [6] - 139:17, 139:18, 139:19, 139:24, 139:25
basic [5] - 97:30, 110:8, 110:26, 111:3, 116:16
basis [8] - 82:18, 94:9, 101:27, 101:29, 107:10, 108:15, 142:4, 145:13
Batman [1] - 149:25battalion [3] - 115:11,
115:12, 116:14BB [1] - 18:4BE [1] - 2:1bear [1] - 96:23beat [3] - 96:20, 97:5,
120:4became [9] - 8:21, 9:23,
10:15, 10:25, 17:28, 23:30, 43:3, 102:28, 146:7
become [7] - 4:5, 8:15, 9:9, 23:28, 43:2, 102:27, 125:22
becomes [1] - 10:11becoming [1] - 135:28bed [1] - 119:1been" [1] - 75:15beforehand [1] - 60:17begin [1] - 82:3
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behalf [1] - 162:5behaviour [2] - 55:17,
120:17behind [3] - 68:3, 68:7,
137:26behold [1] - 158:20Belfast [10] - 2:23, 69:9,
86:29, 104:16, 107:2, 131:15, 135:12, 139:15, 160:29
belief [2] - 82:14, 108:8bell [2] - 24:23, 91:1benefit [3] - 45:1, 61:3,
71:25benign.. [1] - 97:21Berlin [11] - 112:20,
112:21, 112:22, 112:24, 112:26, 112:27, 113:2, 114:7, 114:24, 115:9, 115:29
beside [1] - 143:1Bessbrook [1] - 123:20best [4] - 9:16, 46:7, 97:3,
100:2between [8] - 4:7, 28:5,
71:10, 79:17, 100:4, 102:2, 108:20, 119:25
big [20] - 9:27, 9:30, 10:12, 10:13, 11:20, 11:21, 11:27, 11:29, 12:4, 12:5, 18:2, 34:6, 35:16, 86:16, 121:15, 141:21, 143:30, 148:16
bigger [1] - 142:13biggest [1] - 43:7bill [4] - 122:17, 126:26,
139:28, 140:16Birmingham [1] - 152:18bit [4] - 117:2, 127:15,
152:18, 152:19bits [4] - 36:9, 141:19,
141:20, 156:13black [1] - 153:19black-market [1] - 153:19Blair [60] - 5:6, 9:6, 9:12,
10:26, 11:24, 19:13, 23:22, 24:8, 26:28, 27:3, 32:21, 38:30, 39:9, 39:27, 51:24, 52:2, 53:20, 53:30, 54:17, 55:8, 58:11, 65:5, 65:13, 71:10, 76:13, 78:17, 89:3, 119:23, 121:22, 121:28, 122:2, 124:4, 127:18, 131:12, 136:26, 137:30, 138:17, 142:1, 142:3, 149:17, 150:7, 150:16, 151:30, 152:12, 152:13, 152:20, 153:12, 153:30, 154:16, 154:17, 156:15, 156:24, 156:28, 157:11, 157:13, 157:17, 158:28, 159:2, 159:6, 159:12
Blair's [5] - 73:18, 73:28, 74:10, 74:25, 136:27
blame [1] - 134:17blamed [1] - 7:1
blew [1] - 140:22blister [2] - 153:22,
154:10blisters [1] - 153:23blocked [1] - 154:15blood [3] - 144:27, 147:9,
157:26blow [2] - 53:25, 65:7blowing [1] - 24:10Blue [1] - 119:9bluff [1] - 143:23blunt [1] - 2:30Bob [5] - 124:30, 127:13,
127:14, 129:2, 129:9body [6] - 159:7, 159:10,
159:12, 159:17, 159:20bomb [35] - 10:13, 16:26,
18:1, 18:9, 36:17, 36:22, 36:23, 37:9, 37:10, 37:20, 37:22, 37:27, 38:2, 38:5, 38:6, 39:24, 42:21, 42:23, 42:26, 43:4, 43:6, 43:7, 46:17, 130:22, 149:13, 150:12, 151:28, 151:29, 152:6, 152:30, 156:16, 156:19, 157:20, 157:25, 159:22
bomb-makers [1] - 37:22bomb-making [1] - 39:24bomber [1] - 152:29bombers [1] - 133:1bombing [5] - 6:27, 8:24,
8:28, 9:2, 149:16bombs [9] - 37:28, 88:28,
130:8, 130:9, 140:21, 151:15, 152:1, 156:19, 159:6
book [53] - 12:20, 12:23, 12:24, 12:26, 14:7, 33:7, 33:8, 33:9, 33:10, 33:12, 33:16, 33:18, 33:20, 33:22, 34:4, 34:6, 34:9, 34:12, 34:13, 34:16, 34:21, 34:22, 34:24, 34:27, 35:1, 35:3, 35:11, 35:23, 35:29, 36:1, 36:7, 61:6, 66:19, 66:21, 66:25, 66:29, 68:21, 68:25, 68:27, 68:28, 68:30, 72:13, 72:18, 72:25, 72:29, 73:3, 114:26, 115:7, 141:5, 141:8
books [2] - 86:16, 87:6boost [1] - 97:9boot [1] - 68:16Border [2] - 26:26, 68:1border [4] - 27:4, 85:10,
129:5, 131:30boss [2] - 150:1, 150:2bothered [2] - 62:13,
62:14bottom [1] - 148:17bought [2] - 118:7, 122:7box [6] - 13:2, 67:28,
110:13, 115:24, 148:17,
148:18boys [1] - 68:9Bradley [1] - 139:16Branch [40] - 5:15, 5:30,
6:16, 6:17, 6:18, 6:19, 6:26, 7:9, 13:7, 13:27, 23:15, 24:7, 30:30, 31:15, 31:24, 36:8, 98:12, 98:13, 99:1, 99:3, 134:30, 135:2, 135:18, 135:19, 135:21, 135:22, 136:4, 144:9, 144:19, 145:25, 146:18, 146:19, 146:20, 147:2, 147:4, 147:15, 147:16, 154:15
breaching [1] - 89:25break [4] - 57:8, 65:15,
160:22, 161:1breakfast [2] - 75:6, 75:7Breen [19] - 19:19, 24:27,
36:15, 55:30, 73:5, 76:11, 76:17, 78:6, 86:28, 88:12, 89:1, 92:13, 92:16, 92:21, 102:12, 104:3, 107:12, 107:15, 108:2
Breen/Buchanan [1] - 129:21
Brendan [3] - 16:24, 16:25, 18:5
Brendan's [2] - 148:13, 148:25
bricks [1] - 140:20brief [1] - 144:15briefly [1] - 151:22bring [2] - 110:13, 156:26Britain [1] - 12:29British [26] - 10:3, 11:13,
14:30, 22:9, 40:30, 44:12, 51:11, 51:12, 60:28, 60:30, 70:12, 82:21, 83:7, 83:9, 83:13, 83:23, 84:23, 91:28, 98:7, 102:13, 103:14, 109:9, 109:29, 112:28, 126:5, 126:8
broadcast [1] - 26:26brogue [2] - 30:14broke [4] - 65:12, 140:22,
157:15brother [1] - 125:5brother-in-law [1] - 125:5brought [6] - 1:8, 11:17,
33:30, 70:25, 141:5, 154:5
Buchanan [19] - 19:19, 24:28, 36:15, 55:30, 73:6, 76:10, 76:17, 78:6, 86:28, 88:12, 89:1, 92:13, 92:16, 92:22, 102:12, 104:3, 107:12, 107:16, 108:2
budget [1] - 160:16build [6] - 110:27, 117:23,
135:7, 151:15, 151:28, 152:1
building [1] - 110:18
buildings [2] - 109:23, 140:22
builds [1] - 60:12built [4] - 131:12, 135:7,
149:13, 152:4bulky [2] - 29:13, 29:27bullet [7] - 152:15,
152:16, 152:18, 152:19, 152:25, 153:2, 153:6
bullet-proof [7] - 152:15, 152:16, 152:18, 152:19, 152:25, 153:2, 153:6
bungalow [1] - 118:11bunker [3] - 131:5,
131:11, 131:12Burns [4] - 16:23, 16:24,
16:25, 18:5business [4] - 116:29,
119:3, 123:24, 136:11button [1] - 130:21buy [4] - 124:27, 125:15,
158:14buzz [1] - 146:10BY [2] - 2:1, 109:5
Ccalender [1] - 9:30calibre [1] - 152:16Callan [2] - 23:5, 32:24Callan's [23] - 30:11,
30:27, 31:30, 32:11, 32:21, 36:14, 47:18, 50:1, 50:13, 50:26, 50:28, 51:5, 51:15, 52:4, 52:6, 52:11, 57:27, 63:14, 76:21, 92:3, 136:18, 137:28, 141:10
camera [3] - 129:5, 129:7, 129:11
cameras [1] - 106:12camp [3] - 110:2, 111:4,
115:10cannot [7] - 9:21, 13:14,
13:24, 23:3, 23:8, 26:24, 102:23
capacity [1] - 31:27capped [1] - 97:17capture [1] - 78:12captured [1] - 86:16car [69] - 8:17, 23:26,
24:8, 30:11, 30:27, 31:4, 31:20, 31:23, 31:29, 32:5, 32:7, 32:10, 43:15, 48:29, 49:12, 50:6, 50:7, 50:19, 52:6, 52:14, 52:20, 53:3, 53:10, 53:19, 53:21, 54:16, 55:7, 56:30, 57:2, 57:16, 59:4, 59:17, 65:6, 67:25, 70:9, 122:6, 122:7, 122:11, 123:8, 124:3, 124:10, 124:11, 124:13, 124:15, 124:21, 124:26, 124:30, 125:2, 125:15, 126:15,
134:5, 137:1, 137:17, 137:19, 137:30, 138:12, 138:16, 138:23, 150:29, 150:30, 151:4, 151:9, 152:23, 152:30, 160:10
care [2] - 18:11, 120:9career [3] - 34:23, 97:11,
97:23Carlo [1] - 148:20Carrickmacross [4] -
150:14, 150:20, 150:25, 150:26
carried [1] - 80:20carry [1] - 137:12carrying [1] - 126:11cars [9] - 23:15, 67:26,
67:27, 124:22, 124:24, 125:7, 134:9, 137:22, 160:2
case [25] - 7:13, 7:14, 13:9, 13:12, 60:30, 61:18, 84:24, 84:29, 85:20, 100:22, 115:4, 116:8, 118:29, 119:7, 121:29, 129:27, 132:17, 135:10, 137:4, 143:2, 148:6, 152:3, 152:4, 155:20, 157:28
cases [2] - 34:1, 38:4cash [11] - 122:15,
122:21, 122:27, 122:29, 123:3, 124:27, 125:4, 125:10, 145:2, 158:14
Castlerea [1] - 139:5catch [4] - 69:15, 116:5,
146:10, 153:30catching [1] - 146:5categoric [1] - 70:23caught [14] - 18:5, 36:22,
36:24, 38:17, 52:23, 54:2, 54:9, 59:6, 59:9, 85:16, 136:13, 139:11, 144:30, 160:30
cauldron [2] - 160:20, 160:28
causing [1] - 14:11Cavan [1] - 150:24Ceili [4] - 92:3, 136:18,
137:28, 141:10Centre [2] - 110:12, 111:5certain [20] - 13:14,
13:16, 13:24, 14:6, 15:24, 27:10, 33:30, 71:19, 83:29, 84:3, 84:7, 93:19, 104:5, 108:29, 119:4, 123:16, 130:20, 138:18, 149:15
certainly [9] - 7:25, 49:3, 81:17, 87:28, 95:25, 135:20, 140:7, 142:7, 157:1
certified [1] - 58:6chain [1] - 134:18CHAIRMAN [26] - 1:4,
1:13, 14:16, 25:26, 25:30, 27:19, 27:26, 35:5, 42:5, 53:12, 69:15, 75:4, 75:10,
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81:17, 82:3, 87:19, 113:27, 114:3, 119:20, 157:3, 157:7, 161:4, 161:8, 161:12, 162:3, 162:7
Chairman [49] - 1:6, 7:17, 7:25, 8:1, 8:4, 8:15, 12:30, 14:19, 19:16, 20:28, 21:8, 21:29, 22:10, 22:12, 22:19, 22:27, 23:7, 27:14, 28:6, 28:12, 29:5, 31:20, 34:21, 35:21, 40:5, 40:8, 41:8, 42:2, 43:22, 45:19, 49:21, 50:27, 51:16, 52:2, 63:12, 66:28, 67:1, 71:18, 81:10, 81:12, 81:22, 82:5, 91:25, 93:28, 106:18, 108:10, 113:16, 157:10, 161:28
chalet [2] - 115:23, 118:11
chalet-type [1] - 118:11chance [1] - 85:12change [3] - 125:25,
138:23, 148:20charged [2] - 18:10,
132:21chased [1] - 70:10chat [2] - 115:28, 122:1chatting [2] - 68:1, 114:9check [3] - 91:15, 123:18,
155:11checked [3] - 150:8,
153:24, 154:28cheesed [2] - 47:1, 47:2cheques [4] - 148:15,
148:17, 148:21, 148:25Chester [2] - 115:10,
115:12chicken [3] - 68:10,
72:10, 72:16Chief [9] - 6:21, 19:18,
24:27, 36:15, 55:30, 73:5, 76:11, 102:12, 139:7
chill [2] - 111:19, 111:28chill-out [1] - 111:19chips [2] - 147:26choppers [1] - 123:30Chris [3] - 99:5, 99:13,
99:15CID [14] - 98:13, 98:15,
135:22, 144:10, 145:6, 145:27, 147:9, 147:19, 147:21, 148:26, 148:27, 152:5, 156:14, 158:5
cigarettes [2] - 145:17, 147:16
cipher [6] - 2:15, 2:20, 5:16, 37:8, 38:26, 131:13
circumspection [1] - 14:6circumstances [1] -
137:5civilian [3] - 57:22, 117:8,
117:23
civilians [1] - 131:2claim [6] - 35:28, 71:4,
72:21, 102:27, 103:23, 108:30
claimed [4] - 70:13, 102:10, 102:11, 102:18
claims [4] - 86:28, 102:11, 108:23, 108:28
clarify [1] - 31:19classed [1] - 125:12cleaned [2] - 132:5,
132:17cleaner [4] - 142:8,
148:13, 148:14, 148:17clear [8] - 39:6, 39:30,
41:23, 41:27, 133:10, 145:25, 154:19, 158:2
cleared [2] - 1:8, 40:1clearly [6] - 128:9, 133:5,
140:1, 141:25, 147:18, 154:12
click [1] - 137:24client [5] - 61:17, 89:22,
89:24, 108:24, 108:28close [2] - 131:29, 144:30closely [1] - 95:2closer [1] - 12:22clothes [6] - 23:27, 57:18,
57:19, 57:20, 57:21, 57:22
clothing [1] - 132:13club [2] - 137:9, 137:10code [3] - 5:16, 86:20,
87:1codes [1] - 86:17coffee [2] - 114:10,
158:15COFFEY [1] - 161:20Coffey [1] - 161:23cold [2] - 128:17, 141:16Coleraine [1] - 111:26colleague [2] - 58:30,
147:11colleagues [4] - 6:19,
35:14, 146:9, 147:3collect [1] - 41:24collecting [1] - 159:7Colleen [2] - 130:15,
135:5Collins [28] - 22:1, 38:27,
38:28, 39:8, 39:19, 40:6, 40:12, 40:16, 41:3, 41:8, 41:9, 41:10, 41:16, 41:18, 41:21, 43:17, 74:2, 74:10, 74:13, 74:25, 75:12, 75:19, 76:16, 77:17, 84:18, 107:16
colluded [3] - 93:14, 94:28, 106:14
colluding [3] - 36:4, 36:12, 94:10
collusion [1] - 102:2colonel [2] - 115:18,
115:20colour [6] - 29:20, 30:7,
57:23, 74:6, 74:7, 122:8column [1] - 137:21
comfortable [1] - 55:15coming [17] - 7:13, 22:1,
25:11, 73:22, 74:15, 74:19, 74:26, 80:28, 84:2, 84:6, 84:9, 85:14, 102:8, 125:3, 125:8, 126:27, 134:10
commander [4] - 53:3, 76:12, 78:4, 107:30
commander's [1] - 115:2commanding [1] - 26:28commenced [1] - 83:24comment [5] - 2:8, 44:15,
54:2, 57:29, 67:16common [3] - 100:15,
100:16, 152:28Commons [1] - 91:7companies [1] - 126:29company [4] - 67:5,
70:15, 126:30, 148:16compass [1] - 162:1compelling [1] - 105:14compensation [1] -
100:10complete [3] - 13:1,
66:12, 66:15completely [9] - 55:3,
55:11, 55:16, 68:22, 77:5, 77:25, 97:12, 104:13, 107:21
complex [1] - 70:10compromise [2] - 44:17,
46:7compromised [6] - 19:4,
34:1, 44:22, 46:1, 46:6, 140:24
compromising [2] - 140:26, 140:28
computer [2] - 147:25, 147:26
concern [7] - 14:11, 16:27, 17:2, 17:4, 17:7, 133:13, 133:14
concerned [7] - 6:9, 88:3, 89:10, 100:9, 104:8, 127:20, 133:2
conclude [1] - 23:7concluded [1] - 2:11concrete [1] - 126:12conduct [1] - 83:3conducted [1] - 155:24confidential [1] - 55:10confirm [1] - 157:16confirmed [2] - 45:15,
157:11connect [1] - 157:24connected [2] - 93:8,
145:18connection [5] - 151:24,
151:26, 153:11, 157:24, 157:26
Connolly [3] - 45:13, 45:14, 46:2
Constable [1] - 6:22Constabulary [1] - 6:12constant [1] - 156:25construction [1] - 70:14contact [13] - 40:12,
40:13, 40:21, 40:25, 54:26, 55:14, 59:20, 59:26, 59:27, 80:16, 92:1, 99:26, 132:30
contacted [5] - 40:15, 40:17, 40:23, 103:1, 126:3
contacts [2] - 4:7, 4:8contained [1] - 100:14container [1] - 148:10containing [2] - 86:20,
87:1content [2] - 33:19, 157:9context [1] - 92:2contingent [1] - 112:28continue [4] - 54:8,
81:20, 116:10, 160:25CONTINUED [2] - 2:1,
82:1continuously [1] - 117:19contract [7] - 69:2, 98:29,
99:25, 139:28, 139:30, 140:4, 140:6
contradict [1] - 143:3contradicts [1] - 143:11contribution [1] - 162:3control [8] - 4:11, 26:14,
33:9, 34:26, 35:11, 35:30, 100:24, 102:7
conversation [2] - 71:10, 84:18
conversations [3] - 82:20, 137:24, 148:3
convicted [14] - 4:23, 5:14, 24:10, 42:23, 42:25, 42:26, 42:28, 43:3, 43:8, 94:6, 94:16, 94:19, 132:22, 147:23
Cooley [3] - 67:27, 131:2, 131:7
cooperation [1] - 101:19cops [3] - 93:10, 155:30copy [1] - 155:8Cork [1] - 52:1Corps [3] - 112:30, 113:1,
113:3correct [79] - 3:24, 8:9,
8:10, 8:12, 9:3, 9:8, 9:25, 14:25, 14:26, 16:6, 17:23, 22:23, 23:10, 24:3, 24:4, 24:28, 26:10, 26:11, 27:13, 27:14, 28:11, 28:25, 36:18, 37:9, 40:9, 41:22, 42:27, 43:9, 49:4, 49:8, 53:8, 55:26, 56:8, 56:21, 56:28, 65:20, 70:16, 72:23, 73:6, 73:11, 73:15, 73:16, 74:22, 74:30, 75:13, 76:19, 76:27, 78:25, 78:27, 79:22, 82:12, 82:16, 82:28, 83:11, 83:25, 88:12, 90:27, 91:20, 93:29, 95:17, 98:22, 100:7, 101:28, 104:12, 107:25, 108:8, 108:14,
108:15, 109:1, 109:16, 109:18, 116:11, 120:11, 133:30, 134:26, 149:11, 158:11, 159:1, 160:4
correcting [1] - 100:8correctly [1] - 27:19Corrigan [191] - 8:9, 8:11,
8:13, 8:16, 8:21, 8:25, 9:24, 9:30, 10:18, 11:10, 12:12, 14:22, 16:5, 16:15, 16:18, 17:8, 17:29, 18:17, 18:23, 19:4, 19:8, 19:17, 19:24, 19:26, 20:2, 20:15, 20:21, 20:29, 21:6, 21:20, 22:4, 22:5, 22:11, 22:16, 22:24, 22:26, 23:3, 23:8, 23:11, 23:24, 25:1, 26:9, 26:13, 27:5, 27:9, 27:21, 27:28, 28:9, 29:8, 30:22, 31:19, 32:1, 32:9, 32:14, 32:20, 36:11, 36:20, 37:2, 40:2, 40:10, 40:14, 40:17, 40:23, 42:9, 44:3, 44:17, 44:22, 45:10, 45:13, 45:19, 45:23, 45:24, 45:26, 45:28, 45:30, 46:13, 46:19, 46:26, 47:12, 48:9, 48:27, 52:18, 52:19, 52:25, 52:28, 53:5, 53:18, 53:20, 53:22, 53:27, 53:30, 54:2, 54:11, 54:16, 55:6, 55:24, 55:28, 56:4, 56:6, 56:17, 56:30, 57:16, 57:26, 58:6, 59:8, 59:21, 60:3, 60:26, 60:29, 62:1, 64:4, 64:8, 64:12, 65:6, 65:7, 65:21, 71:11, 73:8, 73:10, 73:15, 73:26, 76:1, 76:2, 76:4, 77:21, 77:23, 77:27, 78:5, 78:29, 79:1, 79:16, 80:1, 82:15, 82:29, 83:25, 84:16, 85:23, 87:12, 88:7, 88:14, 88:24, 89:6, 89:9, 90:3, 91:8, 92:1, 92:11, 93:1, 93:4, 93:8, 95:16, 95:21, 95:24, 95:28, 95:30, 96:1, 96:8, 96:14, 96:27, 97:19, 97:21, 105:9, 105:13, 106:4, 106:6, 106:9, 106:11, 106:14, 106:16, 106:19, 106:22, 106:29, 106:30, 107:4, 107:14, 107:18, 107:23, 108:24, 121:18, 127:23, 129:20, 130:1, 132:3, 132:5, 132:6, 138:5, 138:6, 138:12, 141:27, 141:28
Corrigan" [2] - 53:9, 89:8
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Corrigan's [7] - 9:9, 40:21, 54:26, 86:3, 91:11, 96:11, 130:4
Cory [22] - 26:22, 35:22, 52:30, 53:14, 53:17, 76:9, 76:20, 76:23, 76:30, 77:1, 77:6, 77:8, 77:9, 77:20, 78:1, 78:3, 78:26, 80:10, 107:20, 107:25
cost [1] - 147:8costing [2] - 124:22,
124:23counsel [4] - 81:11,
113:17, 150:23, 161:15counsellor [1] - 124:7count [3] - 23:14, 25:28,
27:23country [5] - 49:10,
63:30, 69:26, 91:3, 134:4
countryside [1] - 150:29County [2] - 62:18,
150:24coup [1] - 86:29couple [7] - 11:23, 49:16,
49:21, 63:11, 87:25, 118:15, 121:13
course [29] - 6:8, 12:3, 22:14, 24:26, 30:11, 41:2, 46:12, 48:1, 50:29, 56:26, 64:21, 71:25, 84:21, 86:24, 88:10, 93:15, 93:16, 97:12, 117:30, 122:22, 125:9, 128:5, 130:1, 132:21, 136:7, 138:21, 153:14, 155:29, 155:30
Court [1] - 24:11court [3] - 13:8, 105:4,
151:13courts [2] - 61:2, 144:14cousins [1] - 160:15cover [7] - 81:1, 117:26,
118:25, 126:29, 127:4, 127:11, 140:30
covered [3] - 78:13, 81:2, 147:15
covert [1] - 110:15crash [1] - 115:21crazy [1] - 136:14cred [1] - 106:19credibility [9] - 2:7, 2:30,
3:2, 7:19, 7:26, 97:4, 97:9, 106:16, 140:23
Credit [1] - 122:13credit [1] - 122:17cried [1] - 149:23crime [1] - 146:25Crime [1] - 148:29crimes [1] - 5:14criminal [1] - 145:18criminals [1] - 137:15cross [4] - 1:7, 81:20,
133:9, 161:15Cross [1] - 26:26CROSS [2] - 2:1, 109:5Cross-Border [1] - 26:26
cross-examination [2] - 1:7, 81:20
cross-examine [1] - 161:15
CROSS-EXAMINED [2] - 2:1, 109:5
cross-referenced [1] - 133:9
crucial [1] - 62:16crying [1] - 149:23Customs [18] - 98:9,
115:2, 143:28, 144:7, 144:10, 144:23, 145:4, 145:6, 145:13, 145:24, 145:29, 146:1, 146:3, 146:28, 146:29, 146:30, 147:3, 153:16
cuttings [1] - 61:20Céilí [21] - 23:5, 30:11,
30:28, 31:30, 32:11, 32:21, 32:24, 36:14, 47:19, 47:20, 50:2, 50:13, 50:26, 50:28, 51:5, 51:15, 52:4, 52:6, 57:27, 63:15, 76:21
DDaily [1] - 126:11daily [1] - 10:14damage [1] - 90:3danger [4] - 102:21,
110:5, 134:21, 144:3dare [1] - 103:2date [43] - 8:21, 8:23, 9:1,
9:14, 9:15, 9:17, 9:19, 9:22, 9:23, 9:26, 9:29, 10:30, 16:10, 23:17, 24:9, 24:24, 24:26, 24:27, 24:29, 36:19, 42:28, 43:6, 48:30, 49:2, 49:9, 49:11, 68:25, 68:28, 69:17, 69:19, 70:5, 71:14, 78:9, 78:16, 87:24, 91:4, 91:5, 91:16, 115:6, 117:17, 131:9
dates [20] - 16:9, 22:28, 23:1, 32:16, 49:19, 66:25, 67:4, 68:27, 69:25, 70:18, 70:19, 72:30, 90:29, 91:15, 115:6, 118:19, 121:21, 125:29, 125:30
dates.. [1] - 121:21DAY [1] - 162:10day's [1] - 112:8day-to-day [1] - 10:12days [10] - 36:28, 38:23,
39:29, 83:30, 86:14, 137:25, 139:6, 140:3, 156:20, 160:19
DB [1] - 51:8dead [14] - 59:29, 65:22,
65:29, 71:8, 85:16, 87:9, 104:27, 115:20, 120:20, 128:15, 128:16, 137:24, 139:15, 140:25
deal [3] - 14:9, 83:20, 162:1
dealer [1] - 153:20dealer/smuggler [1] -
158:19dealers [2] - 153:14,
153:15dealing [8] - 2:19, 4:6,
10:14, 125:23, 137:13, 153:14, 156:22, 160:1
dealings [2] - 41:13, 105:27
dealt [1] - 157:4death [2] - 63:16, 65:8debrief [9] - 10:22, 62:7,
63:8, 64:14, 160:12, 160:14, 160:17, 160:19, 160:28
debriefed [2] - 115:26, 116:4
debriefing [2] - 115:17, 160:10
debriefs [1] - 63:4debt [2] - 122:18, 123:4deceased [1] - 82:9DECEMBER [2] - 1:1,
162:11December [5] - 42:26,
58:7, 58:13, 60:9, 119:14
decent [1] - 62:18decided [1] - 124:26decision [1] - 134:19decorating [1] - 116:29decorators [1] - 117:1defence [4] - 13:9, 13:17,
13:25, 34:1Defence [1] - 100:10definite [1] - 154:8definitely [3] - 67:15,
90:21, 130:3degree [1] - 14:6deleted [2] - 149:29,
150:4deleted] [6] - 112:4,
113:4, 126:30, 127:6, 127:7, 149:23
deliberately [2] - 135:29, 136:5
demean [1] - 128:12demobbed [4] - 115:4,
115:9, 115:10, 116:13denied [2] - 104:23,
104:28deny [2] - 104:25, 157:16depot [1] - 111:24Derek [2] - 143:25, 144:1Derry [5] - 3:17, 3:26, 4:6,
4:20, 148:12describe [4] - 29:11,
37:7, 104:11, 133:28described [6] - 6:22,
7:28, 8:2, 23:25, 68:17, 69:10
destroying [2] - 16:6, 16:16
detached [1] - 118:11detail [4] - 37:3, 71:29,
71:30, 72:7detailed [1] - 15:23details [8] - 68:6, 68:8,
72:2, 72:4, 74:29, 94:14, 130:28, 134:8
Detective [4] - 25:20, 64:7, 64:11, 147:12
detective [1] - 149:8detectives [5] - 25:17,
25:27, 27:17, 28:1, 28:20
detonate [1] - 130:22detonation [1] - 16:26develop [2] - 111:7, 111:8development [1] - 130:17developments [1] -
142:15device [8] - 135:6, 135:7,
135:13, 137:17, 137:19, 140:23, 153:8
devices [3] - 124:13, 130:10, 148:5
DHQ [1] - 139:16DHSS [1] - 110:15Diamonds [1] - 119:9dicker [3] - 84:4, 84:5,
84:8dickers [1] - 84:12difference [2] - 28:12,
160:9different [25] - 2:17, 4:23,
6:17, 30:15, 40:19, 48:6, 52:13, 59:20, 65:16, 77:5, 83:6, 107:21, 108:11, 112:6, 112:7, 121:30, 133:8, 135:22, 136:11, 136:15, 144:9, 145:15, 145:27, 153:13
differently [4] - 7:3, 28:4, 95:11, 144:18
difficult [2] - 18:19, 106:8difficulty [1] - 15:23dinner [1] - 75:7direct [6] - 48:8, 65:25,
73:7, 73:11, 73:12directly [1] - 143:3disagree [2] - 58:1, 58:2disappear [1] - 3:19disappeared [4] - 18:6,
18:10, 37:1, 57:14disapproval [1] - 66:20discharge [3] - 114:24,
114:26, 115:7discharged [1] - 116:9discovered [1] - 24:12discredit [3] - 7:15, 99:4,
151:12discuss [3] - 33:16, 35:1,
35:2discussing [1] - 141:18dispute [2] - 36:20,
100:15distance [1] - 67:12distinctive [1] - 30:3distinguished [2] - 6:11,
7:5DNA [1] - 157:23
dole [3] - 110:16, 119:4, 119:5
domain [1] - 100:3Dominic [1] - 96:25Donaldson [14] - 61:26,
90:8, 90:25, 91:16, 91:17, 91:26, 92:9, 92:12, 92:19, 92:29, 93:6, 93:7, 95:8, 95:13
done [23] - 4:24, 7:11, 7:12, 10:24, 34:11, 35:7, 38:6, 46:24, 54:16, 61:17, 88:28, 98:30, 103:20, 117:22, 120:25, 129:10, 132:28, 137:27, 141:3, 141:7, 143:8, 144:14, 149:19
door [2] - 122:9, 160:13double [5] - 10:2, 11:25,
44:14, 79:23, 79:24doubt [4] - 10:21, 55:25,
57:3, 95:28down [50] - 6:12, 7:13,
7:27, 11:6, 11:12, 13:17, 13:24, 14:10, 24:9, 33:30, 37:3, 38:16, 39:15, 41:24, 41:28, 48:29, 57:8, 57:13, 63:12, 64:1, 65:13, 65:15, 74:5, 76:25, 83:29, 85:7, 87:16, 91:24, 91:25, 93:22, 93:28, 100:7, 115:30, 120:23, 121:27, 126:11, 126:12, 126:13, 131:25, 131:26, 132:30, 143:6, 146:18, 149:10, 150:27, 151:4, 156:30, 157:4, 158:2, 158:26
Down [1] - 160:29Doyle [2] - 158:19, 158:21Dozens [1] - 72:14drafts [2] - 33:3, 33:5drinker [2] - 50:14, 50:24drive [19] - 32:20, 51:17,
51:24, 51:30, 72:19, 122:3, 123:14, 123:16, 124:4, 131:12, 133:22, 136:27, 136:28, 137:20, 150:21, 150:29, 152:29, 160:11, 160:13
driver [3] - 41:14, 51:30, 66:2
driver's [1] - 137:21driving [11] - 23:26,
30:29, 39:3, 52:10, 123:14, 124:6, 127:17, 136:19, 136:22, 136:23, 136:24
dropped [1] - 68:11drove [12] - 39:2, 41:14,
50:6, 50:18, 52:1, 53:24, 62:3, 68:8, 68:12, 72:15, 115:24, 159:22
Drug [5] - 2:23, 2:24, 98:14, 98:15, 148:28
drug [5] - 2:26, 153:14,
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153:15, 153:20, 158:19drugs [3] - 145:17,
146:25, 147:16Dublin [6] - 24:11, 51:30,
86:29, 152:23, 159:19due [4] - 6:8, 12:3, 26:26,
64:21dug [1] - 131:13dump [3] - 153:4, 153:7,
159:21dumps [2] - 5:28, 5:29Dundalk [59] - 8:18, 9:13,
10:7, 10:18, 11:1, 11:30, 17:29, 18:29, 23:26, 24:2, 24:5, 25:21, 27:8, 28:9, 30:14, 30:30, 32:21, 34:10, 34:19, 34:29, 36:26, 38:16, 40:12, 40:29, 42:1, 50:20, 51:7, 51:10, 53:6, 62:3, 73:19, 76:10, 76:18, 78:6, 79:10, 82:9, 83:16, 88:11, 95:1, 96:15, 96:24, 104:20, 104:22, 105:24, 106:8, 106:13, 108:2, 117:28, 120:30, 121:27, 124:14, 129:22, 130:18, 131:16, 135:15, 153:3, 158:2, 159:21
DURACK [11] - 109:5, 109:7, 113:20, 113:25, 113:29, 114:6, 119:22, 157:9, 161:2, 161:6, 161:10
Durack [3] - 109:8, 157:3, 157:7
during [3] - 3:14, 22:19, 128:4
duties [1] - 112:24duty [3] - 89:25, 97:14,
106:11
Eearly [7] - 71:15, 75:8,
90:30, 118:30, 134:25, 135:1
earshot [1] - 138:14easier [3] - 160:30,
161:12easiest [2] - 15:28,
142:19easily [1] - 140:12easy [3] - 49:4, 122:12,
145:20eat [1] - 112:8eaten [1] - 129:6Edinburgh [1] - 160:18edited [1] - 87:4editor [5] - 13:6, 13:26,
104:6, 104:16, 155:27editorial [5] - 26:14, 33:9,
34:26, 35:11, 35:30Education [2] - 110:12,
111:5education [1] - 111:14
effect [4] - 6:13, 19:3, 69:26, 95:21
effectively [2] - 11:25, 89:24
ego" [1] - 61:14eight [2] - 59:29, 81:18eighties [2] - 127:23,
130:7either [13] - 15:27, 18:8,
26:7, 29:4, 32:2, 57:23, 73:13, 74:6, 78:14, 90:30, 108:17, 120:26, 155:19
elaborate [2] - 15:25, 15:26
element [1] - 110:5eleven [4] - 81:4, 81:6,
84:25, 84:26elsewhere [1] - 143:18emerged [1] - 135:28employed [1] - 145:13employers [7] - 60:28,
60:30, 61:3, 62:5, 62:21, 100:4, 108:30
encounter [1] - 24:5encountered [4] - 24:2,
25:1, 25:5, 31:4end [7] - 12:18, 90:30,
98:12, 102:5, 125:16, 145:11, 151:9
ended [1] - 144:26England [8] - 4:8, 5:29,
10:23, 13:5, 115:29, 137:8, 153:20, 155:29
English [3] - 13:26, 36:1, 36:3
enormous [1] - 11:22entitled [1] - 120:16equally [1] - 142:1escape [1] - 24:12Escort [2] - 122:8, 123:10escort [1] - 110:3especially [2] - 6:18,
144:28essentially [1] - 159:14establish [1] - 64:30establishment [1] -
108:29Eurodisney [15] - 69:1,
69:6, 69:20, 70:14, 70:17, 71:6, 71:13, 71:22, 71:23, 71:26, 72:26, 124:20, 125:27, 125:30, 134:24
Europa [1] - 150:3evening [2] - 135:9,
135:11event [1] - 120:9events [3] - 19:16, 73:4,
159:26eventually [1] - 3:28Everbody [1] - 137:11everywhere [2] - 36:27,
136:28evidence [108] - 2:7, 2:8,
2:20, 2:21, 2:29, 3:1, 4:15, 5:6, 5:9, 5:17, 5:25, 6:4, 6:12, 7:19,
7:22, 8:1, 8:6, 8:7, 15:3, 15:6, 15:11, 15:15, 15:27, 16:6, 16:16, 18:10, 18:24, 18:26, 18:29, 19:3, 19:7, 19:10, 23:7, 24:20, 26:2, 32:6, 32:8, 39:18, 47:20, 47:30, 48:1, 48:2, 48:8, 48:21, 48:27, 49:21, 49:29, 50:16, 50:27, 51:16, 54:25, 55:22, 56:5, 56:16, 57:25, 57:26, 58:28, 59:3, 59:8, 64:22, 64:27, 64:30, 65:25, 65:30, 68:20, 70:24, 73:14, 73:17, 75:16, 77:5, 77:15, 77:16, 81:3, 81:13, 82:21, 82:26, 82:28, 83:1, 83:7, 83:13, 84:21, 84:24, 86:19, 92:10, 92:19, 93:3, 95:15, 101:20, 105:1, 105:2, 105:3, 105:7, 105:8, 105:11, 105:12, 106:3, 106:28, 108:10, 108:11, 108:16, 108:17, 146:23, 149:7, 154:17
exact [23] - 9:1, 9:15, 9:17, 9:22, 9:26, 16:3, 16:10, 28:14, 29:19, 39:16, 42:28, 71:14, 78:14, 87:24, 89:19, 91:5, 91:6, 91:16, 116:16, 118:19, 125:29, 128:17, 148:24
exactly [7] - 9:19, 22:28, 43:4, 89:2, 89:14, 105:21, 117:4
examination [4] - 1:7, 81:20, 161:30, 162:8
examine [1] - 161:15EXAMINED [2] - 2:1,
109:5example [8] - 3:9, 21:20,
21:25, 22:10, 22:19, 22:27, 45:7, 45:9
examples [8] - 8:3, 21:8, 21:9, 21:10, 21:26, 21:28, 23:8, 36:11
Excise [2] - 98:9, 146:4exciting [5] - 109:20,
109:25, 110:5, 159:25, 159:29
excuse [3] - 110:18, 114:26, 123:2
executed [1] - 143:5exist [2] - 69:23, 140:3existed [1] - 140:4exits [3] - 126:12, 126:13expected [1] - 109:20expecting [2] - 68:7,
125:2expenses [1] - 100:30expensive [1] - 101:13experience [3] - 45:29,
85:3, 85:10
experiences [1] - 91:28experimented [1] -
130:10expertly [1] - 137:27explain [8] - 45:16, 45:18,
59:22, 59:24, 60:2, 66:28, 116:24, 139:20
explaining [1] - 45:17explanation [8] - 7:4,
34:21, 34:25, 35:28, 46:9, 46:12, 60:5, 97:13
explicit [1] - 137:23exploded [2] - 119:17,
119:18explosive [2] - 153:7,
153:8explosives [7] - 19:20,
43:8, 88:29, 131:4, 150:17, 153:5, 156:19
exposed [1] - 156:11Express [3] - 69:2, 69:17,
69:21expressed [3] - 12:20,
90:6, 90:7extant [1] - 132:7extra [2] - 22:21, 111:5extradition [1] - 96:25extraordinary [1] - 27:11extreme [1] - 134:20extremely [1] - 93:26eye [1] - 28:21Eye' [2] - 130:12, 130:19eyes [1] - 9:27
Ff-ing [1] - 53:25fabricating [1] - 135:29faces [3] - 110:12,
110:24, 114:11facing [1] - 110:15fact [21] - 5:8, 34:14,
34:28, 36:4, 44:30, 45:4, 45:18, 46:20, 58:22, 58:23, 68:21, 82:8, 100:9, 130:7, 132:7, 138:18, 151:24, 156:13, 158:7, 158:8, 158:27
factory [15] - 37:20, 39:24, 46:17, 46:21, 46:27, 47:14, 117:5, 117:20, 118:6, 118:16, 118:22, 148:14, 149:12, 153:26
facts [3] - 6:24, 7:2, 158:23
factually [1] - 72:29fair [12] - 17:18, 19:5,
28:24, 48:24, 55:20, 96:4, 98:23, 100:5, 101:15, 105:18, 107:4, 121:11
FAIR [1] - 91:18fairly [5] - 89:28, 100:23,
103:7, 103:9, 110:7fairness [2] - 18:23, 19:8fallouts [1] - 143:30
false [3] - 5:21, 108:23family [7] - 69:20, 116:28,
116:30, 117:1, 118:28, 119:3, 125:6
famous [1] - 139:10fantasist [11] - 6:13, 6:20,
6:21, 6:23, 7:6, 7:28, 8:3, 61:15, 99:3, 136:1, 157:18
fantastic [2] - 61:21, 61:23
far [3] - 6:8, 104:8, 143:26fascinating [1] - 10:17fast [1] - 136:8fat [3] - 29:26, 29:28,
29:29father [5] - 114:30, 115:2,
116:29, 117:14, 118:13father's [3] - 116:26,
117:11, 117:15fault [2] - 4:14, 147:30February [2] - 58:16,
119:7Fein [1] - 124:7fellas [1] - 151:5felt [1] - 55:14fertiliser [1] - 38:3fertilizer [1] - 130:11few [19] - 1:9, 14:23, 40:5,
41:8, 50:22, 50:23, 52:17, 57:9, 71:9, 93:10, 94:25, 99:28, 109:9, 110:29, 131:13, 132:1, 135:14, 147:7, 156:20
field [1] - 35:16filling [1] - 134:3finally [1] - 36:14finance [1] - 118:8Financial [1] - 148:29fingerprint [1] - 38:6fingerprints [15] - 36:30,
37:26, 39:27, 41:27, 42:7, 43:18, 43:21, 43:24, 43:25, 43:29, 44:2, 105:28, 132:12, 132:14
finish [1] - 18:27finished [2] - 36:23,
144:26Fintan [24] - 23:5, 30:11,
30:27, 31:30, 32:11, 32:21, 32:24, 36:14, 47:18, 50:1, 50:13, 50:25, 50:28, 51:5, 51:15, 52:4, 52:5, 52:11, 57:27, 63:14, 76:21, 92:3, 136:18, 137:28
fire [3] - 70:8, 70:11, 130:22
firing [8] - 15:5, 15:13, 15:14, 15:27, 112:5, 112:6, 130:17, 135:8
first [35] - 8:15, 8:21, 9:23, 10:15, 11:10, 17:28, 19:18, 20:11, 23:11, 23:12, 23:16,
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23:18, 23:19, 23:20, 23:21, 23:24, 40:3, 43:2, 47:29, 49:5, 49:17, 52:10, 64:27, 65:1, 65:4, 71:5, 71:11, 72:12, 94:16, 104:24, 122:24, 137:9, 137:11, 142:24, 142:25
five [7] - 13:16, 20:6, 29:15, 79:14, 126:23, 161:8
five-five [1] - 29:15fixed [1] - 124:10Flanagan [11] - 6:28, 7:1,
99:2, 134:29, 135:17, 156:21, 157:11, 157:13, 157:28, 158:24, 158:25
flash [2] - 130:12, 135:16flashing [1] - 122:24flat [1] - 101:13Flats [1] - 70:10flew [1] - 126:9flick [3] - 123:16, 123:18,
137:20floppy [1] - 148:16flow [1] - 13:30fly [3] - 126:7, 160:17,
160:18follow [3] - 12:12, 12:14,
90:15followed [3] - 17:1, 52:18,
106:11FOLLOWING [1] - 162:10following [7] - 3:6, 17:28,
26:21, 32:19, 53:1, 66:19, 102:16
FOLLOWS [4] - 1:2, 2:2, 82:1, 109:5
follows [1] - 3:10FOR [1] - 81:24Force [5] - 26:20, 58:15,
59:30, 115:19, 147:12Forces [2] - 3:29, 112:28forces [1] - 125:20Ford [1] - 122:8forest [1] - 131:11forget [1] - 155:17forgot [2] - 155:18,
155:19form [4] - 55:19, 123:26,
136:30, 137:1former [8] - 2:7, 6:11, 7:5,
13:6, 13:25, 60:28, 61:2, 108:30
forth [1] - 153:12fortunately [1] - 58:3forward [3] - 61:1, 87:8,
87:10four [3] - 80:21, 142:14,
153:23four-pack [1] - 153:23France [1] - 145:10fraud [1] - 4:25Fraud [2] - 155:1, 155:12Frazer [2] - 91:19, 91:20Freddie [2] - 85:24, 86:2free [1] - 139:26frequency [1] - 130:20
frequented [1] - 50:10frequenting [1] - 51:13frequently [1] - 99:27FRIDAY [1] - 162:10Friday [2] - 91:10, 92:19friend [49] - 8:8, 8:9, 8:11,
17:29, 19:24, 20:8, 20:14, 20:17, 22:3, 36:29, 37:1, 39:6, 39:14, 39:15, 39:17, 39:30, 41:23, 41:29, 42:6, 42:8, 43:17, 43:23, 43:27, 45:22, 45:26, 45:27, 56:9, 59:1, 73:10, 73:24, 73:25, 74:29, 75:24, 75:25, 75:27, 77:17, 77:27, 77:30, 78:28, 84:19, 89:7, 95:16, 95:25, 96:9, 107:17, 108:12, 132:6, 136:27, 153:20
Friend [2] - 13:30, 35:21friend" [4] - 21:7, 56:3,
74:24, 132:6friend' [2] - 40:2, 89:5friend's [1] - 38:18friendly [3] - 95:22,
97:10, 127:23friends [1] - 146:9front [3] - 138:5, 138:25,
151:5FRU [2] - 102:17, 115:18full [7] - 6:24, 7:2, 97:29,
119:8, 148:10, 158:12, 158:23
full-time [1] - 97:29fully [1] - 35:26FULTON [1] - 2:1Fulton [4] - 26:22, 26:27,
86:28, 102:18fun [2] - 111:27, 111:28fundamental [1] - 89:25funny [1] - 125:6furious [2] - 46:26, 46:28future [2] - 13:9, 34:1
GGaelic [1] - 51:5gain [4] - 60:16, 61:11,
90:16gained [1] - 60:15Gallagher [1] - 73:2Gangs [1] - 69:6garage [6] - 37:26, 43:21,
124:29, 134:3garda [16] - 15:4, 15:5,
19:1, 26:15, 26:29, 28:23, 34:9, 55:18, 96:28, 106:1, 106:24, 131:4, 131:9, 132:1, 153:3, 153:25
Garda [64] - 5:4, 8:8, 12:8, 15:16, 22:6, 23:15, 23:26, 24:2, 24:5, 24:19, 25:2, 25:6, 25:21, 26:20, 26:23,
27:8, 28:9, 30:30, 31:15, 32:4, 33:6, 34:19, 34:29, 36:4, 37:13, 37:15, 37:16, 37:21, 45:10, 45:15, 45:20, 45:28, 53:4, 53:5, 53:6, 54:10, 54:18, 54:23, 55:6, 57:21, 58:7, 58:14, 58:18, 59:18, 59:20, 59:25, 59:26, 60:4, 60:9, 62:16, 65:18, 68:2, 76:16, 79:13, 82:9, 85:5, 88:11, 92:25, 102:2, 105:24, 108:1, 109:8, 113:17, 155:1
Gardai [1] - 46:16Gardaí [4] - 46:20, 47:14,
106:8, 106:14gathering [3] - 110:26,
140:18, 145:14general [3] - 9:16, 92:21,
146:25General [1] - 12:29generally [1] - 75:4gentleman [6] - 11:11,
28:29, 95:9, 117:14, 122:25, 143:1
gentlemen [1] - 94:15Gerry [3] - 109:17, 113:7,
115:17ghost [6] - 12:23, 33:22,
34:28, 34:30, 35:10, 73:2
Gibson [4] - 92:23, 92:30, 93:4, 93:8
Gillans [1] - 69:9given [30] - 2:7, 4:29, 5:6,
5:20, 6:30, 7:20, 16:28, 17:3, 20:29, 56:16, 61:13, 63:14, 65:17, 68:20, 72:26, 77:22, 78:8, 81:3, 81:4, 81:14, 87:19, 95:8, 95:12, 106:28, 112:1, 122:6, 122:7, 136:3, 156:13, 156:23
gleaned [1] - 145:22gloves [4] - 37:28, 37:30,
38:1, 132:13goodness [1] - 146:6Gough [2] - 152:30,
159:22GPS [1] - 131:1granddaughter [1] -
132:29gravel [1] - 50:5great [9] - 12:21, 13:22,
16:9, 29:17, 85:16, 107:1, 107:2, 140:19, 140:23
Great [1] - 12:29greatest [2] - 14:12, 35:2Greg [1] - 155:27Grenadier [1] - 112:29grievance [2] - 60:27,
60:29
grinder [1] - 39:26grinders [1] - 158:15grinding [2] - 37:30, 38:2groceries [1] - 133:21ground [4] - 18:18, 18:25,
82:22, 83:8group [4] - 4:18, 4:19,
27:10, 110:23guaranteed [1] - 144:29guard [16] - 10:7, 10:18,
11:1, 11:30, 31:9, 35:15, 55:6, 55:28, 56:13, 68:5, 97:14, 106:26, 109:23, 110:2, 112:24, 112:26
guarded [1] - 112:25Guards [5] - 60:6, 60:7,
60:8, 64:5, 112:29guards [21] - 20:16, 22:7,
24:12, 29:22, 31:2, 31:8, 31:10, 36:24, 39:24, 39:25, 43:7, 47:3, 68:8, 72:6, 106:21, 131:25, 132:1, 151:14, 151:17, 151:18, 152:25
gullibly [1] - 61:27gun [2] - 10:13, 123:21gunmen [2] - 70:8, 70:9gutter [2] - 104:8, 104:11guy [21] - 42:15, 53:25,
67:27, 68:3, 68:10, 88:20, 97:17, 113:4, 124:30, 126:13, 131:14, 137:8, 137:9, 139:15, 147:23, 151:17, 153:20, 158:18, 159:23
guys [3] - 146:5, 146:10, 152:24
Hhacking [3] - 104:4,
104:5, 104:7hair [2] - 30:1, 30:2half [4] - 81:4, 81:6,
84:25, 84:26hand [4] - 50:5, 122:9,
122:21, 154:8handed [4] - 14:19, 88:9,
102:20, 153:24handle [1] - 146:30handled [9] - 7:9, 7:10,
14:7, 85:23, 96:29, 98:11, 98:12, 135:3
handler [18] - 11:3, 11:4, 11:6, 63:2, 63:3, 63:10, 86:3, 125:1, 136:3, 139:27, 146:1, 146:29, 153:24, 154:26, 156:14, 156:20, 157:20, 158:17
handlers [67] - 4:10, 6:5, 6:25, 7:12, 10:16, 10:20, 10:27, 11:8, 11:25, 12:7, 12:20, 31:16, 34:15, 46:25, 62:21, 62:22, 63:8, 63:26, 64:3, 88:23,
88:30, 89:8, 97:7, 105:21, 113:23, 117:27, 120:14, 120:27, 122:4, 123:12, 125:18, 127:9, 127:28, 128:16, 130:13, 130:17, 131:3, 131:19, 134:1, 134:2, 134:10, 134:14, 134:15, 134:18, 135:6, 136:7, 136:20, 137:5, 140:18, 140:29, 140:30, 141:3, 141:4, 141:8, 141:11, 142:11, 144:1, 144:18, 148:22, 152:19, 152:26, 159:2, 159:4, 159:9, 159:12, 159:13, 159:18
handling [1] - 128:20hands [4] - 91:25, 93:28,
126:14, 157:10hang [1] - 9:6hanged [2] - 50:17, 51:3hanging [5] - 9:12, 23:30,
96:26, 121:30, 153:15happy [1] - 115:1hard [9] - 35:19, 105:26,
117:13, 117:15, 120:7, 128:14, 136:8, 141:14, 146:8
hardened [1] - 144:12Hardy [2] - 129:2, 129:9Harkin [1] - 155:27harm [5] - 7:15, 13:9,
13:17, 13:25, 156:12Harnden [2] - 90:17,
90:18hatchet [1] - 98:30Haughey [4] - 70:1, 70:7,
70:10, 70:12Hawkey [1] - 69:8HAYES [1] - 1:6headed [2] - 66:20, 66:22headline [2] - 69:6, 156:6heads [3] - 84:1, 84:5,
84:8heads-up [3] - 84:1, 84:5,
84:8health [1] - 137:10hear [13] - 8:30, 15:2,
15:29, 16:1, 16:8, 21:30, 22:1, 38:22, 42:11, 69:27, 70:30, 86:9, 89:10
heard [52] - 7:2, 8:18, 8:29, 14:24, 15:3, 15:9, 15:11, 15:19, 15:20, 15:21, 15:22, 15:26, 15:30, 16:4, 16:15, 16:29, 16:30, 17:4, 17:30, 18:3, 19:6, 20:19, 22:29, 23:2, 30:11, 39:10, 40:3, 42:29, 50:12, 50:13, 50:27, 50:29, 56:9, 62:1, 65:28, 66:8, 69:2, 70:27, 78:16, 82:21, 84:28, 86:4, 89:5, 95:26, 96:5, 127:22, 128:19, 143:9, 154:23,
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154:24heart [1] - 146:6Heathrow [4] - 125:8,
125:9, 126:9, 126:15heavy [1] - 101:13height [1] - 29:19heights [1] - 29:17heinous [2] - 71:27,
71:28held [2] - 15:3, 25:21helicopter [4] - 115:20,
123:22, 124:1, 134:6help [6] - 29:23, 36:21,
55:18, 101:30, 110:11, 112:18
helped [19] - 8:19, 8:25, 9:28, 11:28, 19:24, 20:8, 20:14, 20:23, 22:6, 22:7, 39:15, 43:12, 56:19, 75:27, 77:17, 89:6, 99:4, 107:17, 108:12
helpful [1] - 154:8helping [4] - 11:30, 12:1,
35:14, 93:11Henry [4] - 26:12, 26:17,
103:21, 103:25Hermitage [2] - 158:18,
158:21Hero [1] - 72:14Hess [1] - 112:25HET [1] - 33:11high [1] - 147:26hijack [1] - 148:10hijacked [1] - 119:28hijacking [1] - 119:8Hill [1] - 120:21Hilltown [1] - 134:4himself [3] - 25:26,
106:19, 150:11hip [1] - 122:30hire [3] - 124:24, 133:28,
134:5hiring [2] - 124:22, 134:9historical [2] - 14:2, 14:3history [1] - 127:5hit [2] - 70:11, 86:30hit-squad [1] - 86:30hmm [1] - 155:3hold [4] - 42:16, 122:27,
145:5, 154:13hole [2] - 60:12, 143:6holes [1] - 57:13holiday [1] - 150:10holidays [1] - 150:11home [7] - 43:30, 70:8,
111:23, 111:26, 121:1, 121:2, 144:17
honest [1] - 102:5honestly [1] - 49:19hope [1] - 7:23hopeless [2] - 121:21,
125:30hoping [2] - 85:12,
123:17horrible [1] - 35:18hostile [1] - 155:27
hotel [6] - 67:29, 87:24, 115:14, 150:26, 150:27, 150:28
Hotel [2] - 50:30, 150:4hotels [1] - 126:16hours [1] - 115:28house [27] - 38:18, 38:30,
42:15, 42:16, 42:17, 42:19, 43:15, 68:5, 73:18, 73:19, 73:21, 73:28, 74:9, 74:10, 74:25, 101:10, 118:7, 120:23, 121:2, 122:30, 126:25, 126:27, 132:29, 150:21, 150:22, 151:11, 158:21
House [26] - 23:5, 30:12, 30:28, 31:30, 32:11, 32:21, 32:24, 36:14, 47:19, 47:20, 50:2, 50:13, 50:26, 50:28, 51:5, 51:15, 52:4, 52:6, 57:27, 63:15, 76:22, 91:7, 92:3, 136:19, 137:28, 141:10
houses [5] - 42:18, 42:19, 137:22, 148:5, 160:2
HQ [1] - 126:3human [2] - 117:23,
140:20Hurst [4] - 85:26, 103:29,
103:30hurt [1] - 146:16
IIan [5] - 73:2, 85:26,
103:29, 103:30idea [5] - 16:20, 102:8,
109:22, 118:1, 134:14identified [4] - 5:4, 11:10,
11:25, 132:15identify [8] - 2:19, 6:4,
11:9, 49:1, 49:12, 93:18, 101:12
identifying [2] - 83:9, 113:12
imagine [1] - 162:1immediate [2] - 122:25,
124:2immunity [5] - 13:1,
13:11, 13:20, 13:21, 13:22
implausible [4] - 55:4, 55:5, 55:12, 55:13
implicate [1] - 156:14importance [3] - 48:15,
89:21, 89:23important [29] - 9:27,
35:15, 35:17, 35:18, 47:20, 47:21, 47:24, 47:28, 47:30, 48:1, 48:2, 48:6, 48:7, 48:10, 48:14, 48:18, 48:19, 48:21, 48:22, 48:23, 48:26, 84:22, 95:10, 128:9, 128:11, 141:25, 142:1, 142:5, 142:20
impossible [1] - 89:15impression [1] - 149:20imprisonment [1] -
119:14improper [1] - 113:17improved [1] - 114:7inaccuracies [3] - 66:25,
66:27, 68:26inaccurate [5] - 3:4, 3:25,
3:26, 4:30, 5:1incarceration [1] - 119:26incendiary [2] - 88:28,
130:10incident [8] - 30:26,
30:27, 62:11, 75:20, 86:12, 132:27, 141:10, 155:13
incidents [3] - 3:3, 5:9, 57:13
include [1] - 98:14included [1] - 17:22including [2] - 132:13,
132:15income [3] - 118:27,
122:26, 145:2inconsistency [2] - 28:5,
28:7inconsistent [1] - 77:25incorrect [12] - 29:5,
29:6, 29:7, 53:15, 76:23, 76:26, 76:28, 102:10, 108:3, 108:7, 108:17, 149:14
increasingly [1] - 135:29incriminating [1] - 6:4indeed [4] - 5:4, 5:5, 7:17,
85:27indicate [1] - 85:4indicating [1] - 83:13individual [3] - 6:14,
53:3, 53:4individuals [6] - 7:18,
7:25, 7:27, 28:27, 90:5, 94:1
induction [1] - 112:12infamous [1] - 139:10inform [1] - 10:16informant [16] - 4:10,
13:7, 13:27, 31:16, 55:22, 65:14, 104:19, 104:29, 135:17, 135:19, 142:23, 143:20, 144:27, 146:12, 147:15, 157:14
informant's [1] - 4:14informants [2] - 102:21,
128:20informants' [1] - 86:18information [134] - 2:26,
3:4, 3:16, 3:24, 4:29, 5:9, 5:13, 5:20, 5:27, 6:25, 6:30, 10:8, 10:17, 11:19, 12:7, 12:9, 12:13, 13:8, 13:25, 16:27, 17:2, 33:13, 33:23, 33:25, 33:27, 34:18, 34:20, 35:8, 38:26, 39:4, 39:7, 41:18, 48:10, 48:28,
51:12, 52:24, 53:7, 54:10, 54:12, 54:17, 54:18, 54:22, 54:23, 54:29, 55:10, 56:6, 56:14, 56:20, 56:23, 56:27, 58:11, 58:18, 58:24, 60:4, 60:15, 61:26, 62:1, 62:16, 63:10, 63:14, 64:3, 65:16, 65:21, 77:21, 77:22, 78:7, 79:25, 82:22, 83:8, 83:18, 83:23, 85:18, 87:11, 88:4, 88:6, 88:8, 88:24, 88:27, 89:26, 92:24, 92:25, 93:6, 95:8, 95:12, 97:23, 97:26, 103:4, 103:11, 110:8, 114:18, 120:28, 127:26, 128:9, 128:12, 132:19, 133:5, 133:8, 133:12, 134:29, 135:30, 136:3, 138:13, 141:19, 141:20, 141:26, 141:29, 142:5, 142:20, 143:14, 143:23, 144:8, 144:12, 144:17, 144:22, 145:22, 146:1, 146:4, 146:25, 147:14, 147:17, 147:19, 149:17, 149:21, 149:27, 154:9, 154:25, 156:14, 156:23, 159:15, 159:16, 159:24
informed [2] - 80:17, 80:18
informer [1] - 57:6informers [2] - 86:20,
87:1informing [2] - 58:19,
65:22informs [1] - 66:14ing [1] - 53:25ingratiate [3] - 108:28,
117:8, 124:9injunction [1] - 151:17Inn [1] - 129:4innocent [1] - 97:12inquiries [7] - 12:25,
13:15, 14:2, 14:3, 92:6, 104:2, 149:19
Inquiry [5] - 17:22, 17:25, 45:22, 93:23, 136:6
inquiry [8] - 12:26, 44:4, 44:22, 44:24, 45:1, 45:20, 46:14, 46:15
inquisitive [1] - 118:26inside [7] - 26:23, 37:26,
43:21, 72:15, 124:13, 154:8, 154:9
insofar [1] - 155:11instance [3] - 8:23, 11:10,
152:8instances [2] - 97:16,
158:10instructed [1] - 12:9instruction [1] - 137:23instructions [1] - 126:10insurmountable [2] -
59:22, 60:2
Intelligence [4] - 109:15, 112:30, 113:1, 113:3
intelligence [25] - 6:14, 8:2, 10:3, 11:13, 11:14, 11:15, 12:5, 34:24, 36:8, 41:1, 55:29, 62:4, 70:13, 91:29, 110:26, 111:14, 112:12, 126:3, 126:5, 128:20, 128:21, 128:23, 140:18, 145:14, 146:3
intelligence-gathering
[3] - 110:26, 140:18, 145:14
intelligent [1] - 79:27intended [1] - 139:2intention [1] - 78:12interest [6] - 51:23,
88:16, 90:6, 90:7, 92:22, 97:8
interested [5] - 36:3, 50:25, 62:9, 90:8, 90:12
interesting [1] - 64:22interests [1] - 102:1interfered [5] - 17:9,
18:19, 18:24, 45:1, 45:19
internal [2] - 133:18, 133:20
Internal [9] - 26:30, 27:2, 41:14, 65:11, 65:13, 72:22, 72:27, 133:16, 143:21
Internet [2] - 85:29, 86:2interpreted [1] - 42:8interpreting [1] - 8:12interrogate [7] - 25:9,
25:12, 25:16, 25:26, 27:29, 27:30, 86:7
interrogated [21] - 25:14, 25:20, 25:23, 25:24, 26:3, 26:5, 26:9, 26:13, 26:16, 27:8, 27:22, 28:8, 28:13, 28:16, 30:6, 32:2, 57:10, 65:11, 88:10, 129:19, 139:6
interrogates [1] - 129:28interrogating [6] - 27:24,
28:17, 28:22, 28:25, 28:28, 29:1
interrogation [7] - 25:10, 25:13, 25:15, 25:18, 25:30, 42:18, 102:20
interrupt [2] - 7:4, 13:30interview [1] - 32:15interviewed [2] - 26:22,
103:19introduce [2] - 52:25,
53:12introduced [6] - 52:28,
52:29, 53:5, 53:13, 53:16, 53:17
introduction [1] - 53:16investigate [1] - 79:25investigated [3] - 13:15,
27:21, 45:11investigating [1] - 149:22
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investigation [16] - 13:23, 14:25, 16:15, 16:19, 17:9, 18:18, 18:20, 18:25, 19:11, 33:11, 44:17, 44:18, 44:25, 46:1, 155:24, 156:5
investigations [7] - 14:1, 14:4, 33:17, 33:29, 34:7, 141:7
investigator [1] - 28:24invited [2] - 113:27,
113:29involved [41] - 3:11, 9:5,
10:25, 16:25, 18:17, 18:25, 34:15, 44:3, 44:5, 44:18, 44:19, 68:22, 68:24, 71:23, 71:27, 71:28, 72:9, 72:22, 73:8, 73:12, 73:15, 74:29, 86:30, 92:9, 92:11, 93:1, 93:4, 94:21, 100:27, 100:28, 101:1, 102:18, 104:6, 109:15, 112:23, 119:7, 123:26, 137:7, 139:1, 145:20, 148:5
involvement [16] - 14:27, 15:2, 16:18, 16:20, 16:21, 16:22, 16:25, 23:2, 34:3, 60:9, 67:22, 72:8, 72:20, 96:11, 147:20, 159:25
involving [1] - 11:23IRA [197] - 3:12, 4:6, 5:5,
8:8, 8:11, 8:13, 8:14, 8:16, 8:22, 8:25, 8:27, 9:5, 9:24, 9:28, 10:8, 10:18, 11:1, 11:11, 11:28, 11:30, 12:2, 12:5, 12:16, 12:22, 14:23, 14:28, 16:1, 16:5, 19:15, 19:18, 19:28, 20:2, 20:21, 20:23, 20:25, 20:29, 21:6, 21:21, 21:28, 22:7, 22:10, 22:11, 22:17, 22:20, 23:9, 23:24, 26:20, 26:23, 26:28, 27:10, 31:9, 31:13, 31:14, 34:19, 34:29, 35:14, 36:5, 36:12, 36:21, 40:18, 40:21, 40:27, 40:28, 42:16, 43:11, 43:12, 43:13, 43:16, 45:1, 46:6, 46:19, 46:23, 46:29, 47:9, 47:12, 48:10, 48:28, 50:20, 51:9, 53:3, 53:7, 54:12, 54:23, 54:26, 55:8, 55:19, 55:29, 56:5, 56:13, 56:14, 56:21, 57:2, 57:6, 57:10, 57:14, 60:16, 60:17, 62:17, 65:21, 65:23, 69:6, 70:13, 76:12, 76:17, 78:4, 78:5, 79:4, 79:18, 79:20, 80:2, 80:17, 80:19, 81:2,
81:3, 81:7, 82:16, 82:22, 82:29, 83:3, 83:8, 83:14, 83:24, 83:28, 84:10, 84:17, 84:25, 84:29, 85:7, 85:9, 85:10, 85:15, 85:17, 85:21, 86:6, 86:14, 86:19, 86:30, 87:6, 87:7, 88:21, 89:26, 91:28, 92:26, 93:14, 93:15, 94:10, 95:4, 96:12, 97:18, 102:3, 102:17, 104:19, 104:26, 104:28, 106:1, 106:2, 106:9, 106:10, 106:14, 107:1, 107:3, 107:30, 108:1, 120:2, 120:20, 122:1, 122:24, 123:5, 123:17, 123:19, 123:25, 124:15, 125:12, 127:24, 128:29, 129:25, 129:28, 130:18, 137:7, 143:16, 145:21, 145:23, 148:12, 150:17, 150:22, 151:15, 151:30, 152:14, 152:29, 153:11, 154:22, 158:14, 159:21, 159:22
IRA' [1] - 72:15IRA's [1] - 72:22Ireland [22] - 12:29, 13:6,
13:26, 38:19, 38:20, 38:21, 39:1, 70:20, 104:6, 109:26, 109:30, 113:7, 114:12, 114:20, 115:9, 116:7, 119:29, 126:17, 130:9, 140:6, 151:16, 160:21
Irish [8] - 30:13, 36:2, 50:14, 51:6, 64:11, 90:22, 99:6, 112:29
Irish-sounding [1] - 51:6Israeli [2] - 3:28, 152:27issue [3] - 44:2, 78:15,
81:13issued [2] - 86:14, 156:22issues [1] - 101:26Istanbul [3] - 3:27, 4:2,
4:3it'd [1] - 140:22item [2] - 147:28, 155:5items [3] - 151:22, 154:3,
158:4
Jjail [5] - 119:16, 119:21,
119:29, 120:3, 121:6jails [1] - 119:29January [1] - 99:6jeep [1] - 68:2Jeffrey [8] - 90:8, 90:25,
91:16, 91:17, 91:26, 92:11, 95:8, 95:13
Jerry [1] - 139:16jigsaw [2] - 141:22,
141:24Jim [1] - 73:2job [14] - 51:12, 70:13,
71:5, 84:6, 97:28, 97:29, 98:30, 117:5, 118:22, 133:20, 139:17, 140:23, 144:14, 159:30
jobs [4] - 46:6, 137:5, 137:6, 140:17
Joe [5] - 69:8, 69:30, 70:7, 127:13, 127:14
join [1] - 97:17joined [3] - 14:30, 109:9,
117:26Joseph [5] - 26:28, 27:3,
32:20, 42:11, 42:30journalism [1] - 104:9journalism" [1] - 104:12journalist [13] - 14:10,
14:13, 27:20, 90:22, 91:18, 91:21, 99:14, 103:7, 104:11, 156:1, 156:9, 156:10
journalist's [1] - 91:22journalists [3] - 13:5,
99:27, 99:28Judge [20] - 35:22, 52:30,
53:14, 53:17, 76:9, 76:20, 76:23, 76:30, 77:1, 77:6, 77:8, 77:9, 77:20, 78:1, 78:3, 78:26, 80:10, 107:20, 107:25
July [7] - 49:7, 49:11, 49:26, 66:23, 67:2, 156:2, 159:5
June [12] - 24:21, 25:22, 29:9, 30:25, 49:15, 49:27, 60:4, 70:5, 70:6, 70:17, 129:16, 158:13
KKeeley [64] - 2:4, 2:6,
5:10, 6:5, 8:7, 8:20, 8:27, 10:1, 12:28, 14:5, 14:21, 19:3, 20:25, 21:3, 23:20, 25:19, 33:4, 34:18, 44:12, 45:6, 45:30, 48:17, 53:8, 55:4, 57:24, 58:28, 60:2, 61:4, 61:17, 61:24, 65:16, 66:12, 66:27, 67:17, 68:17, 68:20, 71:3, 71:12, 71:29, 72:8, 72:11, 73:27, 74:18, 75:13, 77:15, 78:22, 79:27, 82:6, 82:8, 83:21, 84:22, 85:20, 89:16, 91:24, 92:8, 93:13, 94:1, 96:4, 100:3, 107:4, 108:11, 108:22, 109:3, 162:5
keeley [3] - 33:19, 47:21, 51:11
keep [7] - 10:10, 100:1, 113:10, 115:1, 128:8, 139:26
keeping [1] - 155:14Kentish [1] - 137:10kept [4] - 27:9, 56:11,
84:11, 114:8KEVIN [1] - 2:1Kevin [4] - 90:22, 90:24,
102:18, 127:11kick [1] - 120:7kicked [1] - 114:27kicking [1] - 131:29kill [4] - 57:12, 142:2,
142:3, 142:4killed [11] - 22:2, 64:25,
67:9, 102:19, 103:14, 115:20, 142:21, 142:23, 142:24, 143:2, 143:7
killing [1] - 75:20Kingscourt [2] - 68:13,
150:24knee [1] - 97:17knee-capped [1] - 97:17knock [1] - 21:2know.. [3] - 82:27,
120:26, 135:10knowing [3] - 7:1, 21:17,
140:16knowledge [12] - 18:15,
73:7, 73:11, 73:12, 81:8, 93:19, 93:21, 100:15, 100:16, 129:20, 139:9, 141:4
known [21] - 20:9, 55:8, 59:1, 80:26, 88:8, 94:14, 94:20, 95:6, 96:10, 97:6, 97:9, 101:14, 102:17, 123:29, 132:25, 135:16, 136:21, 136:26, 150:2, 155:9, 156:27
knows [1] - 42:22Kuwait [1] - 3:14
Llabour [1] - 146:7lady [1] - 127:7Lady [3] - 92:23, 92:30,
93:4landed [1] - 134:6landmark [1] - 101:14landmine [1] - 85:12language [1] - 9:6last [10] - 2:21, 13:16,
68:17, 68:19, 91:10, 92:19, 103:27, 129:10, 143:25, 162:3
late [6] - 53:1, 55:20, 75:7, 78:21, 127:23, 130:7
late-eighties [1] - 130:7lately [1] - 7:2launch [1] - 80:20launched [4] - 83:24,
84:10, 85:21, 119:18launder [1] - 148:20Laverty [3] - 32:13, 36:16,
162:8LAVERTY [2] - 113:16,
113:22law [1] - 125:5leaking [1] - 102:21
learn [3] - 64:27, 109:27, 121:25
learned [2] - 70:24, 71:8learnt [4] - 109:28,
121:18, 121:22, 121:25leave [10] - 1:9, 58:7,
58:13, 59:2, 60:8, 91:2, 111:16, 111:23, 112:14, 161:10
leaves [1] - 74:27leaving [1] - 19:22led [4] - 6:25, 44:26, 56:7,
86:21left [15] - 38:10, 50:5,
59:25, 59:30, 60:17, 63:30, 65:7, 68:16, 79:13, 82:12, 113:7, 126:8, 140:12, 150:26, 159:4
left-hand [1] - 50:5legal [8] - 12:23, 26:24,
60:30, 61:2, 92:5, 100:22, 100:26, 152:20
legitimate [1] - 60:27lend [2] - 124:14, 124:15less [1] - 128:13letter [2] - 12:30, 13:4level [3] - 28:23, 95:3,
114:6liar [3] - 57:28, 58:4,
61:15licence [2] - 59:9, 59:11lie [4] - 5:16, 8:6, 66:12,
66:15lied [5] - 5:20, 5:26, 6:1,
6:5, 7:22lies [8] - 7:30, 46:13,
46:15, 60:19, 60:20, 78:23, 107:7, 107:8
life [16] - 34:16, 35:8, 68:18, 68:19, 117:8, 117:23, 117:24, 134:20, 136:8, 136:12, 136:15, 140:20, 144:2, 146:15, 147:8, 156:9
lift [2] - 52:3, 133:22light [3] - 7:19, 125:11,
130:21likely [5] - 16:2, 19:14,
79:6, 84:10, 155:16Limerick [1] - 52:1line [1] - 15:13lines [2] - 12:26, 12:27link [2] - 48:27, 92:24linking [1] - 48:9liquor [1] - 148:14Lisdrum [1] - 118:10list [2] - 94:2, 98:1listen [3] - 40:28, 74:5,
131:9listened [2] - 53:22, 140:8listening [1] - 148:5lists [1] - 152:14lit [2] - 113:10, 114:8literally [1] - 2:25littered [1] - 140:25live [7] - 14:4, 100:30,
116:21, 116:25, 123:1,
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146:17, 148:8lived [2] - 52:12, 101:13Lives [1] - 72:15lives [1] - 146:11living [9] - 36:26, 38:14,
104:20, 118:3, 118:21, 131:16, 143:18, 144:27, 155:28
lo [1] - 158:20load [1] - 99:8loads [1] - 30:29loan [6] - 122:12, 122:14,
122:15, 122:16, 122:29, 123:2
local [2] - 71:6, 113:8location [1] - 131:19locations [1] - 130:25logical [2] - 138:21,
138:28London [12] - 87:24,
101:14, 124:28, 125:4, 126:7, 126:9, 135:7, 139:24, 147:24, 147:25, 153:13, 160:19
look [17] - 2:15, 23:5, 28:3, 31:23, 43:4, 70:19, 74:3, 74:8, 74:12, 79:25, 85:1, 95:11, 114:14, 122:24, 129:13, 129:29, 152:2
looked [5] - 39:17, 40:1, 40:25, 42:6, 125:6
looking [16] - 2:18, 30:18, 48:30, 51:22, 52:22, 103:28, 111:10, 113:12, 114:18, 133:24, 141:16, 152:13, 158:14, 158:30, 159:2, 159:12
Lord [5] - 24:10, 92:23, 92:29, 93:4, 93:8
lorries [1] - 148:10lorry [3] - 119:8, 119:28,
120:1Louth [1] - 62:18Louth/south [1] - 129:5love [2] - 13:10, 146:7loyalist [1] - 70:8luckily [2] - 68:8, 153:1ludicrous [1] - 31:18Luigi [2] - 3:11, 147:23lump [2] - 121:7, 121:9lunch [2] - 81:19, 82:8LUNCH [2] - 81:24, 82:1lying [5] - 8:4, 45:7, 45:8,
45:9, 106:15
Mmadness [2] - 31:18, 38:6Mafia [2] - 137:8, 147:23magazine [1] - 101:8Magellan [1] - 131:1Magilligan [1] - 110:4Maguire [8] - 104:16,
104:17, 105:2, 105:11, 105:14, 105:15, 105:17, 105:21
Mail [2] - 98:27, 99:22
main [6] - 33:10, 40:11, 40:13, 57:14, 78:27, 86:29
Mains [1] - 90:19major [7] - 4:24, 33:18,
35:3, 86:29, 142:14, 147:14
makers [1] - 37:22man [33] - 11:9, 16:22,
21:28, 24:9, 26:30, 29:19, 31:22, 41:2, 42:11, 42:24, 57:20, 62:18, 65:3, 65:22, 72:13, 72:16, 79:27, 84:4, 95:1, 96:20, 104:15, 131:13, 132:21, 132:28, 142:21, 142:22, 142:23, 146:2, 147:22, 149:1, 151:13, 154:8, 156:27
Man [7] - 37:8, 38:26, 156:27, 156:28, 157:14, 157:20
man's [3] - 68:23, 68:24, 137:24
manner [1] - 34:4manual [2] - 114:15,
114:16March [15] - 17:27, 19:23,
20:1, 20:14, 20:29, 21:21, 21:29, 22:27, 23:6, 23:9, 32:19, 73:4, 73:18, 82:23, 87:12
marching [1] - 109:22market [4] - 36:1, 36:2,
36:3, 153:19maroon [1] - 122:8Marotta [5] - 3:11, 4:23,
147:23, 147:24, 148:18married [6] - 117:16,
117:17, 118:4, 118:21, 118:22, 121:1
Martindale [2] - 143:25, 144:1
massively [1] - 35:15material [1] - 3:18materialise [1] - 3:18materials [1] - 46:4matter [13] - 17:5, 22:8,
31:14, 44:8, 45:14, 46:2, 81:10, 90:17, 90:20, 90:23, 110:24, 133:2, 156:15
matters [3] - 15:24, 58:19, 130:26
Matthew [1] - 101:7May/June [1] - 52:3McDonald [14] - 26:12,
26:18, 26:19, 86:27, 87:2, 102:11, 102:16, 103:1, 103:3, 103:5, 103:17, 103:18, 103:19, 103:21
McGlinchey [1] - 96:25McMurray [2] - 130:15,
135:5meals [1] - 75:5mean [94] - 5:12, 10:10,
13:14, 17:6, 19:30, 23:14, 23:19, 28:29, 31:5, 31:8, 31:21, 35:13, 37:25, 38:4, 40:14, 41:1, 42:16, 42:22, 44:1, 46:6, 46:22, 46:23, 50:18, 51:6, 51:7, 54:21, 56:25, 58:22, 59:20, 59:24, 72:3, 75:4, 83:1, 83:2, 83:15, 83:25, 84:27, 85:1, 85:9, 86:15, 87:6, 89:3, 89:8, 89:13, 90:15, 91:27, 93:19, 94:19, 96:8, 97:26, 102:7, 104:10, 104:27, 105:22, 105:27, 106:22, 107:1, 108:8, 112:11, 114:18, 114:21, 114:29, 116:6, 121:30, 128:12, 128:13, 128:14, 128:29, 129:8, 129:27, 132:18, 132:30, 133:7, 133:9, 134:14, 135:6, 136:9, 137:6, 137:12, 137:16, 138:15, 138:16, 144:1, 146:18, 147:30, 149:16, 150:2, 150:20, 155:25, 156:4, 156:5, 156:6, 160:16
meaning [1] - 8:12means [4] - 83:9, 108:21,
122:26, 126:26meant [3] - 110:17, 140:7,
158:26meantime [1] - 147:13meat [6] - 117:5, 117:19,
117:21, 118:6, 118:16, 118:22
mechanic [1] - 125:5mechanism [7] - 15:5,
130:18, 134:13, 135:8, 136:30, 137:1
media [1] - 143:10meet [20] - 3:27, 4:2,
4:16, 23:11, 23:12, 23:18, 23:19, 23:21, 23:24, 26:29, 31:26, 51:26, 55:14, 90:28, 120:14, 126:6, 137:8, 142:13, 160:2
meeting [20] - 23:14, 31:20, 31:22, 31:29, 32:10, 47:17, 48:29, 49:12, 53:23, 64:15, 80:4, 80:6, 87:15, 91:17, 92:3, 115:22, 126:6, 142:11, 150:3
meetings [5] - 31:6, 31:21, 54:22, 88:1, 138:17
member [27] - 5:4, 5:5, 10:6, 11:12, 16:1, 16:4, 20:20, 20:25, 22:7, 31:13, 31:14, 31:15, 43:11, 50:20, 55:8, 59:18, 62:16, 69:20, 76:15, 78:4, 92:25,
102:17, 104:19, 107:30, 125:12, 135:4, 145:23
members [11] - 1:11, 1:16, 2:7, 3:27, 6:11, 8:1, 43:13, 43:15, 102:3, 109:15, 124:15
membership [1] - 18:9men [13] - 9:28, 27:10,
35:14, 40:29, 45:1, 59:29, 69:9, 84:26, 106:9, 107:1, 143:17, 150:19, 160:2
mention [13] - 34:9, 76:2, 76:4, 77:30, 81:11, 92:4, 93:8, 93:9, 96:17, 105:24, 113:20, 113:25, 139:8
mentioned [14] - 8:18, 10:20, 10:21, 19:25, 20:19, 34:11, 34:12, 62:8, 93:9, 109:17, 112:1, 113:20, 149:5, 160:8
mentioning [1] - 113:17Merchant [2] - 117:25message [2] - 36:29, 37:5met [33] - 3:2, 8:17,
23:23, 26:29, 27:4, 30:22, 30:26, 31:4, 31:5, 31:7, 31:19, 31:26, 32:1, 32:6, 32:9, 32:14, 32:20, 32:23, 32:25, 33:1, 59:17, 90:30, 91:13, 91:26, 95:25, 115:17, 115:23, 126:14, 145:23, 151:8, 152:21, 153:13
Metropolitan [1] - 99:1MI5 [48] - 10:22, 36:7,
62:7, 64:14, 69:13, 69:16, 87:14, 97:27, 98:7, 98:20, 100:23, 100:27, 100:28, 100:29, 101:3, 101:17, 101:19, 101:22, 102:1, 102:8, 124:12, 124:14, 125:17, 125:22, 125:26, 126:16, 126:19, 134:22, 134:27, 135:3, 137:17, 140:16, 140:17, 144:8, 144:9, 144:17, 144:18, 144:25, 145:25, 146:3, 146:20, 147:5, 147:18, 160:9, 160:14, 160:16, 160:17
Michael [1] - 109:7mickey [1] - 38:28Mickey [31] - 22:1, 37:6,
38:27, 38:28, 39:8, 39:19, 40:6, 40:12, 40:13, 40:15, 41:3, 41:8, 41:9, 41:10, 41:14, 41:18, 41:21, 43:17, 73:22, 74:2, 74:10, 74:13, 74:25, 75:12, 75:19, 76:15, 77:17, 84:18, 89:3, 107:16
microchips [3] - 148:10,
148:23, 148:25mid [1] - 127:23mid-to-late [1] - 127:23might [8] - 11:27, 18:2,
81:19, 87:3, 109:8, 131:27, 137:15, 146:7
Milan [2] - 147:24, 148:20mileage [1] - 134:8military [7] - 10:3, 11:13,
34:24, 36:8, 44:12, 125:23, 144:25
million [3] - 153:16, 153:18, 154:20
mind [3] - 81:12, 114:4, 138:29
mine [1] - 99:30Ministry [1] - 100:10minute [4] - 6:6, 33:18,
100:23, 145:5minutes [5] - 52:17,
53:23, 68:9, 81:18, 161:8
Mirror [1] - 126:11misinformation [2] -
99:18, 148:7mislead [3] - 76:30, 77:8,
77:9misleading [2] - 8:3,
136:6misled [4] - 77:1, 77:2,
77:10, 77:11misquote [1] - 103:2misrepresenting [1] -
104:13missed [2] - 70:9, 148:18missing [5] - 15:5, 15:28,
30:16, 30:18, 153:23missions [1] - 133:28Mitsubishi [1] - 119:9Mitty [6] - 6:20, 6:21,
6:22, 99:3, 136:2, 157:18
mix [1] - 38:3mixes [1] - 130:11mixing [1] - 156:19mixture [1] - 87:14modestly [1] - 72:14Mole [1] - 26:20mole [21] - 10:18, 11:1,
11:11, 12:8, 23:24, 26:23, 31:10, 33:6, 34:10, 34:19, 34:29, 40:18, 46:19, 46:29, 47:4, 47:5, 47:6, 47:10, 47:13, 56:27, 65:18
moles [1] - 46:23Molloy [8] - 105:29,
105:30, 106:3, 106:15, 106:18, 106:20, 106:22, 106:30
moment [5] - 6:10, 7:1, 75:18, 107:6, 161:24
moments [6] - 1:9, 14:23, 40:5, 41:8, 68:18, 68:19
Monday [2] - 2:21, 16:11money [20] - 97:24,
98:22, 111:5, 116:25, 118:29, 119:2, 121:9,
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121:12, 121:15, 122:7, 122:20, 122:22, 122:25, 125:3, 125:13, 145:8, 145:12, 148:20
monitored [2] - 140:10, 140:16
monotonous [1] - 109:25Monte [1] - 148:20month [9] - 49:1, 49:2,
49:5, 49:14, 62:28, 70:6, 91:6, 102:28, 142:12
months [19] - 20:6, 24:26, 49:16, 49:19, 49:22, 58:8, 59:10, 63:19, 63:24, 87:25, 87:26, 87:28, 88:11, 89:1, 103:28, 110:29, 113:2, 121:5, 129:16
Mooch' [8] - 19:14, 41:24, 52:22, 53:10, 53:29, 74:14, 86:10, 153:9
Mooch's' [1] - 96:9morning [13] - 1:4, 1:6,
2:4, 2:5, 16:11, 74:4, 81:3, 81:6, 83:24, 84:26, 93:10, 149:2, 161:13
mortar [3] - 94:12, 94:22, 140:20
mortars [1] - 150:18mortgage [1] - 118:9most [7] - 19:15, 30:15,
31:2, 74:1, 117:1, 117:24, 152:17
motel/hotel [2] - 115:22, 115:24
mother [1] - 120:23motorbike [5] - 15:4,
15:12, 15:13, 15:27, 18:5
mount [1] - 80:20mountains [1] - 3:13Mountains [2] - 131:2,
131:7Mountbatten [1] - 24:10move [4] - 36:10, 38:17,
115:11, 128:16moved [5] - 12:16, 36:27,
115:11, 125:22, 131:28MR [35] - 1:6, 2:2, 2:4,
13:29, 14:9, 14:21, 26:2, 27:28, 35:21, 35:26, 42:8, 53:14, 69:17, 75:12, 81:10, 81:22, 82:5, 87:23, 109:3, 109:5, 109:7, 113:20, 113:25, 113:29, 114:6, 119:22, 157:9, 161:2, 161:6, 161:10, 161:20, 161:26, 161:28, 161:30, 162:5
MRS [2] - 113:16, 113:22MS [2] - 161:17, 161:23MULVIHILL [1] - 161:17murder [31] - 19:18,
19:23, 20:7, 49:24, 56:7, 62:18, 67:2,
67:12, 67:13, 68:22, 68:23, 68:24, 70:25, 71:24, 71:27, 71:28, 71:30, 72:2, 72:4, 72:9, 72:17, 72:19, 72:20, 72:21, 73:13, 92:26, 130:14, 130:16, 135:5, 135:9, 143:1
Murder [1] - 26:27murdered [39] - 12:19,
24:28, 49:7, 49:9, 49:11, 49:26, 55:25, 56:1, 57:4, 58:8, 63:21, 63:22, 63:24, 63:26, 65:3, 66:9, 66:10, 66:11, 66:23, 67:4, 67:14, 67:18, 67:19, 68:25, 69:27, 70:7, 70:21, 70:22, 71:20, 73:6, 102:13, 120:19, 120:20, 136:8, 136:13, 143:27, 145:1, 146:16, 147:7
murderer [1] - 89:25murders [22] - 20:6, 23:6,
36:15, 73:8, 78:8, 79:11, 79:14, 86:28, 88:11, 89:1, 92:4, 92:8, 92:10, 92:22, 92:23, 92:29, 104:2, 107:12, 107:15, 127:20, 127:22, 129:21
Murphy [1] - 95:2music [2] - 50:14, 50:15must [14] - 15:17, 20:8,
33:23, 46:26, 68:15, 68:25, 79:20, 80:1, 88:16, 91:13, 151:18, 153:3, 153:25, 154:10
Myers [2] - 90:22, 90:24
Nnaked [1] - 137:11Nally [1] - 73:2name [46] - 4:20, 8:18,
11:6, 11:11, 11:12, 14:10, 14:13, 19:24, 26:23, 26:24, 31:3, 63:2, 63:9, 64:2, 76:3, 78:2, 91:11, 91:22, 91:25, 93:21, 93:25, 93:26, 105:16, 109:7, 113:18, 113:27, 114:1, 114:3, 115:3, 118:30, 124:8, 125:1, 127:11, 127:13, 139:8, 139:14, 139:22, 140:27, 150:20, 150:27, 156:29, 157:10, 157:21
named [7] - 4:2, 21:30, 38:27, 69:8, 70:12, 78:2, 91:8
names [18] - 4:15, 26:7, 63:11, 63:12, 64:1, 86:18, 86:20, 87:1, 87:8, 87:16, 87:20, 93:28, 102:21, 110:11, 110:14, 110:24, 113:23,
149:30naming [1] - 138:26narrow [1] - 24:9Narrow [19] - 8:24, 8:28,
9:2, 14:24, 15:2, 16:14, 16:19, 18:1, 18:4, 18:15, 19:4, 19:10, 20:12, 20:19, 21:11, 21:13, 22:8, 23:29, 121:29
nature [1] - 114:17Navy [2] - 117:25, 117:26near [1] - 134:4nearly [4] - 85:6, 106:6,
129:6, 151:6need [20] - 1:13, 2:15,
9:26, 34:30, 44:20, 52:3, 52:5, 59:25, 80:27, 84:1, 84:8, 91:15, 93:7, 101:12, 103:5, 103:9, 115:4, 122:15, 139:17, 155:6
needed [6] - 14:6, 51:29, 123:1, 139:23, 139:27, 153:21
needs [2] - 1:7, 100:7nerve [1] - 72:13nervous [1] - 68:6never [47] - 3:21, 12:15,
15:20, 15:21, 22:15, 33:2, 40:14, 40:25, 51:4, 51:29, 52:27, 54:11, 55:9, 62:12, 62:14, 65:12, 84:28, 85:25, 86:3, 87:6, 95:24, 96:2, 96:7, 102:14, 102:24, 102:25, 104:11, 118:19, 135:2, 137:18, 137:23, 138:29, 141:4, 141:8, 143:24, 144:8, 147:29, 148:7, 151:29, 153:8, 155:18, 155:30, 156:1, 156:8, 157:11, 157:14
New [1] - 158:14new [12] - 78:15, 114:14,
115:19, 118:11, 120:22, 127:13, 130:10, 130:17, 135:5, 153:7, 153:8
Newcastle [1] - 111:16Newry [24] - 2:27, 38:5,
38:14, 59:29, 69:10, 94:12, 94:23, 97:16, 107:2, 110:16, 110:17, 111:23, 116:21, 116:30, 117:24, 120:19, 120:21, 122:13, 124:7, 131:30, 133:7, 136:4, 147:14, 158:18
news [7] - 24:16, 35:12, 35:13, 65:28, 86:16, 104:6, 153:5
News [2] - 104:5, 104:16Newshound [2] - 69:28,
70:3newspaper [7] - 13:6,
13:26, 70:12, 98:25, 98:26, 99:7, 155:21
newspapers [10] - 61:18, 61:20, 61:21, 70:25, 70:28, 70:30, 98:23, 99:29, 113:8, 139:10
next [12] - 29:20, 30:7, 78:21, 111:13, 112:10, 112:11, 112:12, 126:4, 126:5, 135:11, 149:28
nice [2] - 117:14, 146:2nicer [1] - 160:27night [1] - 78:21nine [3] - 14:4, 112:15,
112:17nitpicking [2] - 41:7, 44:8Nobody [1] - 106:8nobody [8] - 12:15,
132:12, 136:25, 140:2, 150:30, 151:2, 151:7, 155:12
none [3] - 14:29, 21:26, 129:9
nonsense [3] - 40:28, 99:8, 102:14
normal [3] - 117:8, 122:23, 125:20
normally [2] - 81:18, 154:9
North [2] - 12:1, 93:10north [1] - 4:8Northern [17] - 12:29,
13:6, 13:26, 38:19, 104:6, 109:26, 109:29, 113:7, 114:11, 114:20, 115:9, 116:6, 119:29, 126:17, 140:6, 151:16, 160:21
northerners [1] - 30:15note [1] - 151:11notebooks [2] - 86:20,
87:1notes [5] - 88:2, 155:8,
155:9, 158:12, 159:4noteworthiness [1] - 14:1nothing [28] - 12:28,
13:2, 17:6, 27:11, 40:1, 57:8, 62:18, 62:20, 84:15, 88:28, 89:3, 90:15, 102:29, 111:2, 125:7, 125:19, 127:12, 129:8, 130:16, 132:4, 133:1, 134:16, 141:1, 141:2, 141:14, 141:15, 143:19
notice [5] - 30:3, 30:16, 30:20, 80:22, 80:24
noticed [1] - 68:1notifying [1] - 84:13November [7] - 9:18,
9:20, 26:13, 26:18, 86:26, 121:3, 121:20
nowadays [1] - 137:15nuisance [2] - 6:14, 8:2number [28] - 5:3, 5:12,
12:26, 13:15, 14:1, 38:1, 63:23, 72:18, 85:15, 100:1, 103:28, 103:29, 103:30, 112:3, 116:29, 126:24, 126:25,
126:28, 127:6, 139:5, 142:17, 143:21, 148:17, 153:6, 154:26, 156:18, 157:22, 158:4
OO'Callaghan [32] - 35:5,
37:4, 38:22, 38:25, 39:30, 40:9, 40:11, 40:22, 41:3, 41:5, 41:11, 41:12, 41:13, 41:15, 41:16, 41:20, 47:2, 47:13, 52:12, 54:27, 54:29, 55:1, 79:6, 80:16, 80:18, 82:3, 86:5, 95:16, 95:22, 138:4, 141:26, 141:28
O'CALLAGHAN [16] - 2:2, 2:4, 14:9, 14:21, 26:2, 27:28, 35:26, 42:8, 53:14, 69:17, 75:12, 81:10, 81:22, 82:5, 87:23, 109:3
O'Callaghan's [1] - 96:10o'clock [3] - 161:2, 161:4,
161:13O'SULLIVAN [1] - 161:23oath [3] - 7:6, 7:28, 7:29objection [2] - 95:12,
95:14observation [1] - 84:12Observer [11] - 26:12,
26:20, 26:24, 27:13, 27:20, 28:6, 28:8, 29:5, 86:25, 102:16, 103:8
obstacle [2] - 46:9, 60:2obstacles [1] - 112:6obtain [1] - 88:6obtained [1] - 15:16obvious [1] - 110:15obviously [1] - 99:27occasion [5] - 26:27,
53:1, 66:4, 75:23, 143:25
occasions [4] - 104:29, 112:4, 134:19, 143:21
occurred [1] - 133:3OF [2] - 1:1, 162:11off-chance [1] - 85:12off-side [3] - 36:28,
37:25, 38:18offence [1] - 94:6offences [1] - 34:3offered [3] - 2:26, 111:27,
146:24office [1] - 110:16Officer [1] - 90:19officer [13] - 6:28, 26:28,
70:13, 89:27, 94:18, 94:26, 99:15, 115:2, 130:15, 132:20, 146:3, 149:15, 149:22
officers [35] - 3:1, 5:15, 7:5, 7:8, 7:20, 19:23, 20:7, 22:2, 56:7, 61:14, 74:17, 75:21, 76:4,
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76:17, 77:22, 78:6, 78:12, 79:1, 79:10, 79:30, 80:19, 82:9, 83:16, 83:18, 83:26, 84:11, 86:7, 86:17, 92:27, 93:14, 94:17, 97:5, 102:19, 108:2
officers' [2] - 86:20, 86:30
official [2] - 31:27, 58:24officially [2] - 10:6,
114:29often [3] - 128:4, 134:9,
142:11OK [44] - 2:29, 5:18, 6:3,
7:17, 8:1, 8:7, 8:30, 9:14, 15:7, 16:4, 17:20, 19:13, 20:13, 23:28, 24:15, 24:17, 25:7, 26:5, 26:12, 29:8, 29:16, 37:3, 37:20, 37:23, 38:8, 42:11, 50:1, 51:24, 52:10, 52:30, 53:20, 55:22, 59:8, 64:21, 69:11, 69:17, 71:2, 74:18, 74:30, 75:30, 76:2, 76:9, 76:20
old [1] - 132:28Oliver [53] - 19:21, 21:22,
49:6, 49:7, 49:24, 49:26, 52:23, 53:23, 53:27, 53:28, 54:1, 54:5, 54:6, 55:11, 55:20, 55:22, 55:25, 56:23, 57:3, 58:8, 59:4, 59:9, 62:2, 63:24, 63:26, 63:29, 63:30, 64:23, 65:17, 65:22, 65:30, 66:8, 66:22, 67:3, 67:7, 67:14, 67:18, 67:20, 67:30, 69:27, 70:7, 70:20, 71:8, 71:20, 72:1, 72:19, 72:22, 92:15, 92:16, 138:13, 138:26, 143:2
Oliver's [9] - 65:1, 65:8, 67:2, 67:12, 67:13, 67:22, 68:18, 68:19, 70:24
Omagh [18] - 6:27, 99:12, 99:23, 149:13, 149:15, 150:12, 151:12, 151:24, 151:27, 152:6, 155:30, 156:1, 156:16, 156:17, 156:18, 157:20, 157:24, 157:25
Ombudsman [4] - 141:7, 155:24, 156:4, 157:21
Ombudsman's [2] - 156:7, 156:27
Omeath [34] - 19:20, 20:4, 20:5, 20:9, 20:11, 21:12, 36:14, 36:16, 36:17, 37:9, 37:10, 38:5, 38:8, 39:25, 42:15, 42:23, 42:30,
44:4, 44:25, 45:12, 45:20, 46:13, 46:15, 46:17, 46:27, 47:14, 56:17, 56:19, 131:11, 131:20, 131:25, 131:28
ON [1] - 1:1once [15] - 32:1, 32:6,
32:9, 32:20, 32:24, 64:24, 65:27, 78:22, 124:2, 128:6, 128:21, 131:26, 131:27, 142:12
one [106] - 2:30, 3:15, 4:18, 5:7, 5:12, 5:15, 8:23, 9:29, 12:26, 13:5, 13:6, 16:22, 21:13, 22:19, 25:20, 26:27, 27:8, 28:9, 28:20, 29:20, 30:8, 31:2, 31:16, 31:21, 37:21, 38:1, 40:12, 40:20, 41:6, 41:21, 42:19, 44:14, 46:12, 47:4, 47:9, 47:11, 52:3, 53:1, 61:3, 61:13, 63:4, 64:2, 64:30, 65:15, 66:26, 67:8, 67:9, 67:26, 68:16, 69:8, 72:18, 76:21, 76:22, 78:2, 78:10, 85:15, 94:7, 94:15, 94:16, 96:17, 97:17, 98:25, 101:23, 102:17, 105:24, 105:27, 108:16, 113:3, 114:30, 115:30, 119:5, 119:17, 120:26, 121:14, 122:18, 124:11, 126:16, 126:29, 127:14, 129:2, 130:30, 132:1, 133:10, 134:4, 135:3, 138:20, 138:30, 139:27, 139:30, 140:1, 141:23, 142:20, 142:22, 147:21, 149:21, 151:4, 151:28, 152:21, 152:28, 153:2, 153:3, 158:8, 158:17
one-time [1] - 102:17ones [3] - 6:6, 19:9, 93:19ongoing [5] - 12:25, 18:3,
33:17, 101:27, 101:29OP [1] - 110:15open [2] - 86:1, 105:4opened [2] - 70:8, 70:11openly [1] - 13:10operate [2] - 144:18,
145:26operated [1] - 19:2operating [1] - 144:10operation [26] - 3:29,
4:11, 22:3, 45:12, 45:14, 78:11, 79:8, 79:20, 80:20, 81:3, 81:7, 82:22, 83:3, 83:14, 83:15, 83:23, 84:15, 84:24, 85:21, 86:22, 145:9, 145:12, 148:8, 148:9, 148:23, 154:16
operation" [1] - 77:18
operations [2] - 54:18, 83:28
opinion [5] - 60:24, 102:5, 102:6, 135:21
opportunities [3] - 109:19, 111:27, 111:28
opportunity [4] - 47:7, 108:22, 112:1, 112:3
opposite [1] - 67:28order [8] - 13:8, 33:23,
44:2, 44:16, 62:17, 106:19, 108:29, 151:13
ordinary [8] - 6:17, 31:9, 41:1, 57:22, 112:2, 112:6, 137:14
organisation [1] - 154:18organisations [2] -
110:25, 138:8organise [1] - 158:30organising [1] - 159:6original [1] - 42:29originally [1] - 160:1otherwise [1] - 111:29ourselves [1] - 151:6outraged [2] - 64:7, 88:3outside [12] - 30:27,
32:21, 67:28, 96:15, 120:22, 124:28, 137:22, 138:14, 150:20, 150:25, 153:1, 159:21
overall [1] - 125:17overalls [1] - 132:13overlooking [1] - 101:14overweight [1] - 29:30Owen [147] - 8:9, 8:11,
8:12, 8:21, 8:25, 9:9, 9:24, 9:29, 11:10, 14:22, 16:5, 16:15, 16:18, 17:8, 17:29, 18:17, 19:4, 19:17, 19:23, 19:25, 20:1, 20:21, 20:28, 21:6, 21:20, 22:4, 22:5, 22:11, 22:16, 22:24, 22:26, 23:2, 23:8, 23:11, 23:24, 25:1, 26:9, 26:13, 27:28, 28:8, 29:8, 30:22, 31:19, 31:30, 36:11, 36:20, 37:2, 40:2, 40:10, 40:14, 40:17, 40:21, 40:23, 42:9, 44:17, 44:22, 45:10, 45:19, 45:23, 45:24, 45:25, 45:27, 46:13, 46:19, 47:12, 48:9, 48:27, 52:18, 52:19, 52:25, 53:9, 53:17, 53:20, 53:22, 53:27, 53:30, 54:2, 54:11, 54:16, 54:25, 55:6, 55:24, 55:28, 56:4, 56:6, 56:16, 56:30, 57:16, 57:26, 58:6, 59:8, 60:3, 60:26, 60:29, 62:1, 65:6, 65:7, 65:21, 71:10, 73:7, 73:10, 73:15, 73:25,
76:1, 76:2, 76:4, 77:21, 77:23, 77:27, 78:5, 78:28, 79:1, 79:16, 82:14, 84:16, 85:23, 86:3, 87:12, 88:7, 88:14, 88:24, 89:6, 89:8, 90:3, 91:8, 91:10, 92:1, 92:10, 93:1, 93:3, 93:8, 95:16, 95:21, 95:24, 96:8, 96:11, 96:27, 105:8, 105:12, 106:4, 106:16, 106:28, 107:4, 107:18, 107:19, 107:23, 108:24
own [13] - 6:19, 33:28, 60:27, 82:18, 86:15, 87:4, 87:7, 110:2, 117:13, 117:15, 119:25, 148:4, 156:5
owned [2] - 42:15, 42:19owner [4] - 42:20, 42:25,
134:5, 158:20ownership [1] - 122:11owns [2] - 42:17, 42:24
Ppack [5] - 15:14, 15:27,
153:22, 153:23, 154:10package [1] - 147:27Paddy [2] - 5:25, 6:3page [6] - 39:23, 66:19,
67:23, 71:3, 72:25, 92:20
pages [1] - 23:22paid [16] - 70:14, 97:24,
97:26, 100:10, 100:30, 101:17, 117:6, 120:12, 120:13, 121:7, 135:3, 140:17, 144:25, 145:7, 145:29, 145:30
paint [2] - 116:28, 116:30painted [1] - 121:2painters [1] - 117:1painting [2] - 68:5,
120:22panicked [1] - 135:14paper [6] - 11:7, 102:30,
105:17, 155:25, 155:29, 156:6
papers [6] - 71:7, 78:13, 100:1, 114:10, 156:11
paragraphs [1] - 76:21paramilitaries [6] -
119:30, 120:5, 137:16, 144:29, 145:18, 159:19
paramilitary [1] - 110:25paranoid [3] - 137:13,
137:16, 138:9pardon [1] - 135:25parents [2] - 116:22,
116:24Paris [20] - 64:20, 64:21,
64:25, 65:28, 66:6, 66:8, 66:10, 66:21, 66:22, 66:29, 67:1, 67:3, 67:5, 67:11, 68:21, 70:26, 70:27,
71:6, 160:8, 160:17park [12] - 8:17, 31:29,
32:7, 32:10, 48:29, 49:12, 50:6, 50:7, 50:19, 52:14, 67:25, 160:11
Parker [3] - 42:12, 42:30, 132:22
parole [1] - 120:17part [27] - 15:27, 25:30,
27:17, 28:29, 29:3, 32:25, 33:10, 33:18, 34:7, 35:3, 35:8, 45:10, 55:17, 56:9, 67:17, 67:19, 78:27, 79:26, 81:8, 84:14, 85:22, 86:22, 90:11, 99:12, 108:19, 120:2, 143:1
particular [7] - 3:15, 4:5, 16:14, 18:1, 48:2, 57:26, 92:23
parts [1] - 108:29party [4] - 7:12, 37:12,
37:13, 133:22pass [3] - 31:1, 62:1,
144:17passed [6] - 13:7, 13:25,
14:2, 54:2, 142:6, 144:7passing [8] - 31:23,
48:28, 52:24, 53:6, 54:9, 70:9, 92:25, 143:23
past [13] - 5:10, 5:13, 79:11, 79:14, 79:21, 80:1, 80:2, 80:18, 81:4, 82:10, 82:30, 83:27, 150:27
Pat [1] - 158:21pathological [2] - 57:28,
58:3Patrick [9] - 26:28, 27:3,
32:20, 36:29, 42:11, 42:30, 86:5, 96:10, 158:19
Patrick's [2] - 110:1, 110:10
patrol [2] - 83:29, 85:11Patrol [1] - 68:1Patsy [27] - 37:4, 38:22,
38:25, 39:30, 40:8, 40:11, 40:14, 40:21, 41:3, 41:5, 41:10, 41:12, 41:15, 41:16, 41:20, 47:2, 47:13, 52:12, 54:26, 54:29, 55:1, 79:6, 80:16, 80:17, 95:16, 95:22
pause [2] - 70:5, 74:21pay [9] - 97:30, 98:28,
99:7, 99:23, 139:28, 140:2, 140:3, 145:9, 145:11
pay-as-you-go [2] - 140:2, 140:3
paying [7] - 101:3, 101:26, 111:1, 111:2, 116:12, 116:13, 116:15
payment [1] - 99:9
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pending [1] - 100:26Penrose [1] - 69:12People [3] - 155:22,
155:23, 156:3people [155] - 3:11, 3:17,
3:26, 4:1, 4:2, 4:6, 4:15, 4:18, 4:20, 4:22, 5:13, 7:9, 7:22, 7:29, 9:12, 10:10, 10:12, 10:24, 12:5, 12:18, 20:4, 21:6, 25:20, 25:28, 26:7, 29:1, 30:13, 31:26, 33:12, 33:25, 35:7, 37:30, 38:3, 40:30, 43:12, 43:13, 46:22, 47:5, 50:10, 50:13, 50:30, 51:9, 54:21, 54:22, 57:10, 57:13, 59:30, 60:16, 63:4, 63:13, 64:13, 64:15, 65:9, 70:29, 75:4, 80:30, 84:6, 87:7, 87:9, 87:16, 87:17, 87:19, 88:1, 93:20, 93:26, 95:21, 97:10, 100:16, 101:1, 103:14, 105:15, 106:11, 110:14, 110:17, 110:22, 110:25, 110:27, 112:18, 113:6, 113:13, 113:17, 114:3, 117:14, 117:24, 118:26, 118:28, 119:2, 119:3, 120:6, 122:1, 124:8, 124:14, 126:5, 126:17, 126:19, 126:20, 126:22, 126:23, 127:12, 128:18, 128:19, 128:29, 128:30, 129:14, 129:28, 131:9, 131:13, 133:11, 134:18, 135:14, 135:23, 136:4, 136:6, 136:9, 137:7, 137:13, 138:17, 138:18, 138:20, 139:15, 140:25, 141:1, 142:3, 142:4, 144:11, 144:13, 144:15, 145:15, 145:20, 145:23, 145:24, 146:1, 146:19, 148:11, 148:12, 148:19, 148:24, 148:26, 148:27, 154:1, 156:7, 157:15, 158:7, 158:16
people's [3] - 137:22, 146:11, 148:5
per [1] - 153:21perhaps [5] - 7:25, 13:30,
15:11, 109:19, 156:30period [9] - 18:4, 63:13,
74:21, 83:4, 106:7, 108:20, 119:6, 128:5, 145:28
perjuring [1] - 106:19person [43] - 2:18, 2:28,
5:8, 7:6, 11:12, 15:19, 16:3, 18:30, 19:14, 20:16, 22:5, 27:1, 27:4, 40:20, 42:17, 45:27, 57:8, 58:28, 68:12, 71:16, 75:15, 79:24, 80:15, 84:1, 91:18,
93:30, 106:26, 106:27, 107:1, 107:3, 110:21, 113:3, 122:2, 133:22, 143:14, 147:17, 147:21, 148:19, 155:26, 156:24, 156:26, 158:5
personal [2] - 31:5, 149:25
personally [2] - 23:19, 99:21
personnel [1] - 135:3Peugeot [1] - 124:16Pfizer [1] - 153:26phase [3] - 112:10,
112:11, 112:12phone [11] - 67:28, 80:14,
115:24, 126:26, 139:14, 139:18, 139:21, 140:16, 142:16, 142:17, 150:9
phoned [2] - 79:4, 80:15phones [1] - 140:7photograph [5] - 4:17,
105:17, 106:12, 129:6, 135:13
photographed [1] - 110:19
photographs [8] - 3:16, 110:9, 110:13, 110:20, 111:10, 113:12, 129:1, 129:8
photolight [1] - 130:19photos [2] - 129:10phrase [1] - 127:14physical [1] - 31:5physically [2] - 28:17,
97:10pick [5] - 38:16, 41:28,
72:18, 110:8, 127:13picked [3] - 36:1, 79:24,
127:13picking [2] - 32:16, 36:9picture [2] - 141:21,
151:2pictures [1] - 106:12piece [12] - 10:17, 11:6,
15:11, 15:15, 29:18, 35:6, 61:3, 104:8, 121:11, 128:9, 128:11, 128:21
pieces [3] - 142:5, 142:20, 156:23
pin [2] - 39:15, 74:5pinpoint [1] - 43:5PIRA [5] - 22:25, 22:26,
76:15, 78:4, 107:30PKK [2] - 3:28, 4:16place [27] - 4:13, 36:22,
39:11, 47:6, 50:16, 51:3, 55:2, 71:11, 76:12, 83:19, 84:7, 100:30, 107:29, 109:28, 124:28, 131:27, 132:10, 147:29, 150:12, 150:16, 150:23, 151:18, 151:27, 151:30, 153:28, 154:12, 160:22
places [5] - 148:19, 158:17, 159:2, 159:3,
160:27plain [1] - 23:27plain-clothes [1] - 23:27planned [2] - 86:7, 148:6plans [1] - 80:27plant [1] - 140:21plates [1] - 152:16platoon [1] - 115:1played [2] - 65:30, 111:18playing [7] - 33:18, 34:6,
136:8, 136:14, 155:7, 158:11, 158:23
Point [1] - 123:1point [13] - 5:11, 54:26,
71:2, 71:25, 84:23, 107:9, 118:20, 129:29, 131:29, 136:29, 151:22, 157:28, 161:14
poles [1] - 106:13police [41] - 2:25, 6:28,
13:22, 18:8, 33:1, 34:7, 59:28, 73:24, 74:16, 86:17, 87:15, 89:27, 92:6, 92:26, 94:20, 95:6, 97:5, 98:11, 99:2, 102:19, 104:25, 104:29, 105:22, 115:7, 125:9, 125:20, 126:18, 130:15, 132:20, 136:9, 136:22, 141:6, 147:1, 147:10, 148:4, 149:15, 149:26, 149:27, 151:11, 153:15, 157:14
policeman [5] - 129:28, 138:28, 139:3, 150:4, 159:28
policemen [9] - 6:17, 12:1, 27:23, 54:23, 120:19, 128:18, 146:9, 159:27
policy [1] - 143:4political [2] - 90:12,
108:29politics [2] - 90:14, 90:15pool [1] - 111:18poor [1] - 68:23Portlaoise [1] - 129:3position [4] - 89:21,
120:27, 140:13, 144:2positive [4] - 2:29, 3:1,
71:23, 105:10possession [3] - 42:26,
43:8, 154:3possibility [1] - 151:27possible [7] - 45:30,
80:23, 80:25, 81:1, 84:14, 100:2, 139:30
possibly [4] - 13:29, 79:9, 101:16, 154:20
posted [1] - 112:19posters [1] - 96:27pound [1] - 154:21pounds [1] - 124:23practice [1] - 109:28prayer [1] - 80:29prearranged [1] - 123:15premises [9] - 38:8,
42:21, 43:14, 50:1,
50:3, 50:6, 51:2, 51:17, 51:21
prepared [2] - 34:5, 132:3presence [4] - 30:22,
82:16, 142:2, 148:4present [3] - 28:24, 63:5,
67:20Press [1] - 155:22pressing [1] - 130:21presumably [8] - 17:8,
27:4, 33:21, 76:12, 76:15, 118:22, 132:26, 136:19
presume [2] - 18:5, 127:8pretty [1] - 134:9prevent [2] - 102:19,
103:14previous [4] - 32:22,
34:3, 156:25, 157:30previously [1] - 32:1price [1] - 68:4print [1] - 26:24printed [1] - 148:15prints [2] - 36:27, 132:15Prison [1] - 112:25prison [7] - 9:18, 9:20,
119:23, 120:13, 120:15, 121:3, 129:3
private [1] - 112:4problem [7] - 14:17,
41:19, 59:22, 93:21, 120:3, 124:3, 139:29
problems [1] - 144:16procedure [1] - 129:25procedures [1] - 18:28proceed [1] - 81:12process [1] - 153:29produce [2] - 129:7produced [1] - 87:4profile [1] - 110:27programme [2] - 26:25,
26:26prominence [5] - 61:4,
61:5, 61:11, 61:28, 61:30
Prominence [1] - 61:5prominent [2] - 69:10,
131:29promotion [1] - 72:27proof [9] - 7:23, 57:11,
152:15, 152:16, 152:18, 152:19, 152:25, 153:2, 153:6
proper [1] - 103:5property [2] - 42:24,
115:8propose [3] - 161:15,
161:20, 161:24prosecuted [1] - 132:25prosecution [1] - 13:11protecting [1] - 106:24protection [1] - 33:29proud [1] - 7:11provide [1] - 130:28provided [16] - 14:23,
14:24, 19:17, 19:28, 20:2, 20:21, 26:22, 54:12, 55:29, 56:6,
56:17, 65:21, 87:13, 95:3, 133:5, 158:4
provider [1] - 128:22providing [12] - 5:27,
21:20, 35:7, 48:9, 56:14, 97:23, 110:7, 127:26, 133:11, 133:12, 159:14, 159:16
provisional [2] - 69:10, 102:20
Provisional [17] - 5:5, 10:8, 16:1, 16:5, 53:7, 76:16, 78:5, 79:4, 79:18, 79:20, 84:17, 108:1, 120:20, 130:18, 150:17, 150:22, 151:15
PSNI [6] - 12:25, 13:8, 13:15, 14:5, 33:11, 35:3
pub [4] - 27:3, 51:19, 51:25, 138:21
public [12] - 1:9, 1:11, 1:16, 67:21, 93:19, 93:20, 100:3, 139:9, 153:28, 153:29, 154:11
publicly [3] - 91:22, 92:7, 94:14
published [3] - 26:19, 35:23, 102:15
pulled [4] - 52:15, 67:25, 68:2, 151:5
punish [1] - 120:8purchase [3] - 5:30,
139:24, 139:25purchased [1] - 152:18purport [1] - 48:9purporting [1] - 48:27purpose [4] - 115:16,
133:29, 137:19, 160:20purposely [2] - 77:1, 77:9pursue [2] - 113:22,
128:28put [35] - 2:6, 9:15, 9:16,
9:17, 15:28, 38:5, 46:22, 47:3, 57:13, 69:17, 69:19, 72:13, 72:27, 81:15, 84:3, 85:29, 94:8, 94:9, 96:27, 99:30, 105:17, 106:13, 107:27, 110:11, 110:23, 111:9, 114:28, 123:15, 127:9, 134:20, 144:2, 148:22, 154:14, 161:20, 161:24
puts [2] - 70:20, 85:15putting [2] - 105:15,
156:11
Qquarter [1] - 80:18queer [1] - 124:1questioned [2] - 104:28,
143:21questioning [1] - 16:22questions [23] - 4:21,
12:15, 12:17, 12:24, 13:14, 27:16, 28:18, 29:18, 29:25, 51:29,
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88:19, 89:15, 109:9, 127:4, 128:29, 129:12, 129:14, 130:2, 161:14, 161:20, 161:24, 161:26, 161:28
quick [1] - 131:10quickly [4] - 38:23,
139:23, 139:27, 154:28quite [14] - 13:10, 55:15,
70:23, 84:14, 99:27, 110:4, 122:23, 125:19, 133:10, 135:21, 145:25, 154:12, 154:19, 158:2
quizzed [1] - 65:26quizzing [1] - 125:12quotes [1] - 26:18
RRAFFERTY [4] - 13:29,
35:21, 161:30, 162:5raid [6] - 37:18, 46:20,
47:3, 47:6, 47:14, 133:3raided [10] - 36:24, 37:13,
37:20, 38:8, 38:13, 45:11, 46:27, 115:8, 131:20, 151:13
raiding [2] - 151:14, 151:18
railway [1] - 115:23raise [2] - 28:23, 69:24raising [1] - 78:15ran [2] - 69:2, 135:12rang [6] - 103:28, 103:30,
125:17, 146:24, 149:24range [4] - 111:18, 112:5,
112:6, 112:9Rangers [1] - 112:29rather [2] - 92:7, 138:13re [2] - 161:30, 162:8re-examination [2] -
161:30, 162:8reach [2] - 102:1, 102:4reaction [3] - 11:18,
87:30, 88:1read [7] - 3:6, 17:24,
26:17, 32:30, 67:21, 67:24, 70:4
readers [1] - 66:29readily [1] - 105:16reading [1] - 102:29Real [6] - 152:14, 152:29,
153:11, 154:22, 159:21, 159:22
real [2] - 5:29, 51:5realise [2] - 48:7, 60:12realised [1] - 136:25really [35] - 2:15, 19:4,
30:4, 35:12, 35:27, 50:14, 51:22, 55:13, 82:19, 88:17, 88:22, 90:14, 95:10, 105:3, 109:24, 109:27, 111:19, 111:21, 119:30, 124:3, 125:17, 125:29, 128:22, 129:13, 134:20, 135:14, 136:8, 137:16, 144:2, 146:2, 152:10, 158:25,
159:11rearrested [2] - 142:29,
142:30reason [19] - 3:21, 4:28,
7:8, 7:16, 22:23, 27:7, 31:11, 59:19, 59:27, 60:7, 67:10, 86:25, 90:2, 90:11, 95:28, 108:27, 132:23, 139:30, 140:29
reasonable [1] - 136:29reasons [4] - 5:23, 5:29,
12:24, 26:25rebels [1] - 3:13received [2] - 87:11,
97:24recent [1] - 51:20recently [1] - 51:22reckless [3] - 54:15,
55:17, 55:18recklessly [1] - 147:8recognise [1] - 107:9recognised [2] - 103:7,
103:9recollection [3] - 2:27,
41:25, 155:13recommendation [1] -
107:24record [15] - 5:23, 7:10,
51:28, 66:24, 114:19, 124:10, 128:7, 130:16, 137:6, 137:18, 137:23, 154:30, 155:5, 155:12, 155:14
record-keeping [1] - 155:14
recorded [1] - 148:3recorder [1] - 137:26recorders [1] - 129:7recording [4] - 124:13,
134:13, 137:1, 137:17recount [3] - 69:7, 71:30,
73:17recovered [1] - 3:28red [1] - 125:11refer [1] - 35:9reference [1] - 92:20referenced [1] - 133:9referred [1] - 4:28referring [2] - 2:11,
100:13regard [1] - 35:28regarded [2] - 4:29, 97:13regiment [4] - 112:19,
112:30, 115:30, 116:14registered [2] - 13:7,
104:19registration [1] - 134:7registrations [1] - 137:22regular [3] - 116:19,
136:22, 142:4regularly [1] - 10:26relating [3] - 3:16, 75:5,
158:7relation [8] - 2:26, 18:1,
18:4, 111:8, 120:28, 132:22, 133:5, 157:12
relationship [5] - 111:7,
113:1, 144:26, 147:6, 152:5
released [9] - 24:18, 57:11, 65:27, 66:3, 119:23, 121:3, 142:28, 143:18, 153:29
relevance [2] - 93:22, 106:28
relevant [3] - 36:9, 77:15, 152:2
reliable [4] - 56:14, 56:20, 56:27
remark [1] - 6:26remarks [1] - 6:27remember [90] - 5:16,
6:10, 9:1, 9:19, 9:21, 9:26, 9:29, 15:30, 16:2, 16:9, 16:10, 17:24, 23:17, 24:6, 24:13, 24:24, 25:10, 26:1, 26:2, 26:5, 26:7, 26:8, 27:17, 29:19, 30:6, 42:3, 49:2, 49:3, 49:9, 49:19, 50:24, 62:10, 62:25, 62:29, 62:30, 63:4, 63:6, 63:7, 63:9, 63:18, 63:20, 71:14, 75:17, 75:18, 76:24, 77:3, 77:13, 78:10, 87:14, 87:24, 87:27, 89:13, 89:15, 89:19, 90:29, 91:15, 92:18, 96:14, 96:27, 96:30, 97:1, 100:12, 101:7, 107:22, 115:6, 116:1, 116:16, 117:4, 117:17, 118:19, 119:15, 119:17, 120:14, 120:17, 120:21, 121:5, 121:11, 121:14, 125:3, 125:17, 125:29, 129:2, 129:24, 131:9, 133:24, 134:4, 152:21, 153:5, 153:22
reminding [1] - 117:18removed [1] - 43:19reneged [1] - 98:29rent [1] - 101:26repeat [1] - 21:18repeated [1] - 17:17repeating [2] - 17:4,
128:8replaced [1] - 140:20report [10] - 4:12, 11:24,
62:4, 72:3, 72:5, 72:6, 87:13, 88:29, 156:27, 157:20
reported [12] - 4:9, 10:26, 10:30, 11:3, 11:4, 62:6, 63:3, 63:10, 79:17, 141:11, 147:28, 156:20
reporting [1] - 3:12reports [4] - 73:22, 74:15,
74:19, 74:26represent [1] - 105:5Republic [6] - 30:13,
38:19, 38:21, 39:1, 130:9, 130:25
republican [4] - 51:6,
51:7, 51:9, 97:14republicans [6] - 17:30,
50:17, 51:3, 51:13, 51:14, 107:2
Research [1] - 115:19reservist [1] - 94:27respect [20] - 3:2, 5:6,
5:25, 13:1, 13:13, 13:22, 14:5, 14:12, 14:24, 35:2, 45:13, 53:15, 56:17, 57:25, 88:23, 94:28, 95:4, 106:23, 107:12, 107:15
respected [1] - 103:7response [1] - 3:6responsible [1] - 26:14rest [1] - 160:21restrictions [1] - 111:24result [9] - 55:24, 56:30,
57:2, 61:28, 119:13, 145:7, 145:12, 155:21, 155:23
resulted [1] - 139:5RESUMED [1] - 1:1resumes [1] - 1:7retained [1] - 14:4retired [5] - 25:19, 58:15,
90:19, 106:25, 147:12return [1] - 72:26returned [1] - 1:16returning [1] - 70:7revealed [1] - 57:27revenge [2] - 105:19,
105:20rich [2] - 153:20, 160:15rid [2] - 43:23, 94:11rifles [1] - 152:17rightly [1] - 73:9rights [1] - 18:7ring [6] - 24:23, 91:1,
126:24, 126:25, 127:7, 142:16
Rio's [1] - 137:10rise [2] - 81:13, 81:19riser [2] - 118:30rising [1] - 81:18risk [6] - 85:16, 105:16,
110:5, 136:13, 160:29Riverside [1] - 129:4road [21] - 7:13, 12:19,
13:17, 33:30, 50:5, 52:11, 52:13, 53:25, 67:29, 78:13, 81:1, 81:2, 85:10, 86:29, 100:7, 123:18, 144:30, 150:21, 151:4, 151:10
Road [4] - 24:7, 123:1, 137:10, 147:10
roads [3] - 13:24, 123:14, 140:24
roaming [1] - 40:29rob [2] - 158:16, 159:3robbed [3] - 152:23,
158:21, 158:22robberies [1] - 158:29robbery [5] - 4:12, 4:13,
147:29, 152:25, 159:18ROBINSON [1] - 161:26
rocket [2] - 130:22, 135:5role [1] - 66:1roll [1] - 148:23roll-off [1] - 148:23rolls [1] - 148:16Ronnie [5] - 6:28, 6:30,
7:1, 99:2, 135:17roof [1] - 122:30room [25] - 1:7, 25:10,
25:13, 25:17, 25:18, 25:23, 25:27, 25:28, 26:1, 26:4, 26:15, 27:15, 27:23, 28:1, 28:13, 28:27, 29:8, 30:25, 32:2, 32:15, 74:15, 130:2, 130:3, 130:4
roughly [3] - 43:4, 113:6, 116:19
round [1] - 131:21ROURKE [1] - 161:28route [4] - 123:15,
123:16, 123:30, 124:1row [1] - 100:4Royal [2] - 6:11, 112:29rubbish [1] - 99:19RUC [48] - 2:7, 2:11, 2:23,
3:1, 3:30, 5:3, 6:18, 6:22, 7:20, 7:27, 8:2, 9:28, 19:23, 20:6, 20:7, 22:2, 35:13, 41:1, 56:7, 61:14, 64:11, 64:14, 64:15, 75:20, 78:30, 79:10, 79:30, 82:9, 86:7, 90:19, 93:14, 94:8, 94:23, 94:26, 94:27, 94:28, 94:29, 95:1, 97:4, 98:15, 99:15, 126:20, 149:20, 149:30, 154:13
Rudolf [1] - 112:25rule [4] - 57:7, 57:14,
128:27, 157:16rules [1] - 57:12run [12] - 36:25, 36:26,
39:28, 45:12, 119:30, 120:6, 125:19, 140:18, 146:18, 147:5, 148:11, 155:29
run-in [1] - 147:5run-off [1] - 148:11running [3] - 136:12,
148:8, 159:28runs [2] - 110:2, 110:3rural [1] - 131:30Ryder [5] - 99:5, 99:13,
99:15, 99:20, 99:21
Ssafe [5] - 38:30, 39:14,
42:18, 43:30, 132:11said" [1] - 89:11sample [5] - 153:22,
153:24, 154:5, 154:20samples [1] - 132:7sat [2] - 52:22, 54:22satellite [2] - 124:12,
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131:1satisfaction [1] - 12:21Saturday [1] - 120:18save [2] - 146:11, 146:15Saved [1] - 72:14saved [1] - 145:8saw [6] - 29:9, 80:7,
80:12, 82:15, 83:26, 88:14
scale [1] - 83:3scams [1] - 145:17Scappaticci [3] - 85:24,
86:3, 104:21scared [1] - 86:18scarey [1] - 146:13scene [6] - 15:16, 16:26,
37:18, 45:11, 134:23Scotland [1] - 160:18Sean [6] - 104:15, 104:17,
105:11, 105:14, 105:21, 131:15
Seaton [1] - 115:10second [8] - 19:19, 67:9,
70:6, 75:13, 75:19, 96:23, 122:9, 143:7
second-hand [1] - 122:9Secret [1] - 72:15secret [4] - 27:10, 56:11,
122:22, 129:11secreted [1] - 137:26secretly [1] - 105:26section [1] - 126:3secure [5] - 153:28,
154:6, 154:12, 154:19security [6] - 101:14,
113:4, 125:20, 133:18, 133:20, 154:8
Security [11] - 26:30, 27:2, 41:14, 65:11, 65:14, 72:23, 72:27, 102:13, 122:19, 133:16, 143:22
see [26] - 23:16, 27:26, 28:5, 28:30, 29:3, 29:25, 30:7, 30:18, 31:2, 48:15, 48:16, 55:13, 60:30, 83:1, 88:25, 95:19, 111:22, 115:11, 116:18, 123:5, 124:20, 126:27, 128:11, 152:2, 157:3, 157:7
seek [1] - 28:23seeking [1] - 61:14seem [1] - 32:16seize [1] - 86:19seized [2] - 36:17, 86:30seizure [1] - 19:20sell [1] - 124:30selling [2] - 98:23, 153:19semi [1] - 118:11semi-detached [1] -
118:11send [1] - 123:22senior [10] - 53:3, 76:12,
78:4, 92:26, 99:15, 107:30, 139:3, 149:7, 149:15, 149:22
senseless [1] - 54:20
sensitive [8] - 54:12, 54:17, 55:10, 58:10, 58:19, 60:3, 130:19, 138:26
sent [3] - 71:7, 113:8, 120:8
sentence [2] - 65:8, 120:16
sentenced [1] - 119:13September [5] - 52:30,
102:15, 103:22, 107:28, 108:5
Sergeant [5] - 25:20, 36:4, 64:7, 64:12, 147:12
serious [4] - 5:14, 19:8, 19:9, 89:28
serve [1] - 89:25service [1] - 125:20Services [2] - 102:13,
122:19serving [2] - 59:18, 59:19sessions [1] - 50:15set [16] - 35:14, 79:1,
91:17, 107:24, 107:27, 115:19, 124:29, 126:7, 126:24, 126:29, 127:3, 127:4, 147:6, 147:7, 151:7, 158:12
setting [5] - 19:21, 93:4, 136:7, 153:30, 154:14
setting-up [1] - 19:21seven [1] - 115:28shadow [1] - 52:26Shanaghan [2] - 5:25, 6:3shape [1] - 55:19ship [1] - 123:21shit [1] - 151:6shocked [2] - 141:15,
150:1shoes [5] - 29:20, 30:7,
57:23, 74:6, 74:7shook [1] - 126:14shoot [1] - 142:8shooting [7] - 70:11,
73:23, 74:16, 74:19, 74:26, 112:8, 120:28
shootings [1] - 120:25shop [5] - 116:26, 116:28,
117:2, 117:5, 117:15shopping [1] - 152:14shops [1] - 116:30short [8] - 29:21, 80:22,
80:24, 83:4, 118:12, 119:6, 162:1
shorter [1] - 29:22shortly [5] - 62:6, 62:11,
109:14, 147:13, 152:7shot [13] - 59:29, 65:10,
65:12, 65:15, 65:29, 66:3, 71:8, 85:16, 87:9, 120:20, 128:14, 128:15
shotgun [9] - 52:24, 54:3, 54:9, 59:5, 59:6, 59:9, 59:11, 59:12
shouted [1] - 151:19show [4] - 122:17, 123:4,
126:28, 157:5
showed [1] - 32:25shrugged [1] - 66:20shuttle [1] - 119:17shuttles [1] - 119:17sick [6] - 58:7, 58:13,
59:2, 59:25, 60:8, 114:30
sick-leave [4] - 58:7, 58:13, 59:2, 60:8
side [8] - 8:11, 12:18, 36:28, 37:25, 38:18, 50:5, 67:29, 160:12
Sierra [1] - 70:9sign [2] - 32:18, 119:5signal [1] - 123:29signed [7] - 17:26, 33:4,
65:8, 98:29, 112:15, 112:17
significant [1] - 62:4simple [4] - 23:20, 23:23,
25:19, 140:28simply [2] - 34:3, 45:30Sinn [1] - 124:7Siochana [14] - 5:5, 8:8,
15:16, 24:19, 37:14, 37:16, 37:21, 45:15, 55:6, 58:7, 58:14, 59:18, 60:10, 62:17
sit [6] - 85:9, 85:10, 85:14, 110:13, 125:14, 129:29
sitting [3] - 28:20, 52:26, 68:1
situation [2] - 54:11, 161:23
six [4] - 59:29, 103:28, 115:28, 126:23
skills [1] - 114:14slide [1] - 160:13slightly [1] - 83:6slim [6] - 105:2, 105:8,
105:10, 105:12, 107:10slipped [1] - 114:1slowly [2] - 73:27, 74:18small [1] - 147:27smuggler [1] - 147:14smuggling [1] - 145:16snooker [1] - 111:18so.. [1] - 21:4soak [1] - 156:1socialising [2] - 50:25,
95:19soldiers [2] - 112:2,
159:28solely [2] - 14:5, 127:11solicitor [1] - 130:5someone [18] - 4:8, 4:11,
7:15, 11:27, 20:20, 31:27, 42:21, 44:21, 51:26, 57:6, 122:24, 124:29, 125:7, 128:14, 128:15, 129:5, 136:10, 146:16
sometime [3] - 127:22, 130:30, 146:24
sometimes [20] - 17:19, 38:1, 83:30, 111:18, 117:13, 117:15, 131:26,
131:28, 134:15, 141:16, 142:12, 144:13, 145:16, 145:30, 146:7, 158:25, 160:17, 160:18
somewhere [9] - 33:1, 38:18, 47:4, 85:11, 127:8, 131:28, 147:25, 151:23, 160:11
soon [1] - 116:13sorry [47] - 7:4, 49:2,
54:4, 63:20, 70:30, 77:5, 79:30, 85:19, 86:12, 86:13, 97:20, 97:22, 111:20, 113:9, 114:1, 117:23, 119:11, 123:6, 123:7, 125:24, 127:1, 127:2, 127:16, 127:30, 129:15, 131:18, 132:2, 136:17, 138:6, 139:1, 139:13, 139:16, 139:20, 141:9, 142:25, 144:6, 144:19, 144:21, 145:27, 145:28, 146:22, 149:4, 151:21, 154:29, 157:28, 160:24, 160:25
Sorry [1] - 69:15sort [6] - 24:11, 44:2,
85:18, 110:28, 134:12, 149:25
sorted [6] - 36:29, 41:4, 41:29, 43:18, 43:28, 79:8
sound [3] - 38:6, 109:24sounding [1] - 51:6sounds [2] - 128:17,
141:13sour [1] - 147:6source [8] - 56:20, 56:27,
91:10, 99:1, 118:27, 145:2, 156:5, 156:6
south [10] - 24:9, 26:30, 123:14, 124:2, 135:15, 145:15, 149:10, 150:15, 160:29
South [1] - 39:28southern [1] - 30:10space [2] - 119:16,
119:17Spandau [1] - 112:24speaking [2] - 85:6,
103:24special [1] - 152:27Special [39] - 3:29, 5:15,
5:30, 6:16, 6:17, 6:18, 6:19, 6:26, 7:9, 13:7, 13:27, 23:15, 24:7, 30:30, 31:15, 36:8, 98:12, 98:13, 99:1, 99:3, 134:30, 135:2, 135:18, 135:19, 135:21, 136:4, 144:9, 144:19, 145:25, 146:18, 146:19, 146:20, 147:2, 147:4, 147:15, 147:16, 154:15
specialised [1] - 128:19specific [14] - 8:20,
12:10, 15:10, 23:8, 36:11, 40:20, 48:30,
71:18, 75:16, 89:18, 94:14, 94:21, 131:19, 137:19
specifically [5] - 20:28, 43:23, 83:20, 88:26, 88:30
specifics [1] - 21:1specify [1] - 10:29speculate [1] - 73:14speculation [1] - 96:5speech [3] - 30:3, 30:9,
30:16spelling [1] - 93:29spend [1] - 21:3spent [1] - 112:22spoken [8] - 25:14, 32:26,
55:9, 90:17, 90:19, 90:22, 90:25, 101:19
spotted [2] - 79:1, 151:10spotting [2] - 30:30,
80:29squad [1] - 86:30Squad [7] - 2:23, 2:24,
98:14, 98:15, 148:28, 155:1, 155:12
squares [1] - 109:23St [4] - 110:1, 110:10,
148:13, 148:25stack [1] - 89:30staff [1] - 139:16stage [47] - 10:29, 10:30,
11:4, 27:2, 27:8, 28:9, 33:20, 34:2, 38:2, 39:4, 43:6, 55:28, 56:16, 67:30, 114:7, 116:22, 118:23, 120:25, 120:29, 121:8, 121:17, 121:24, 121:26, 121:27, 124:4, 125:10, 125:18, 127:10, 129:19, 130:14, 131:3, 132:3, 133:15, 134:9, 134:27, 142:9, 142:11, 143:29, 143:30, 144:6, 144:7, 147:19, 152:13, 152:15, 155:26, 156:9
stand [1] - 18:14standard [1] - 129:25standing [2] - 109:23,
138:14star [1] - 35:8start [13] - 12:15, 12:17,
13:9, 36:16, 41:6, 49:3, 116:12, 124:21, 143:20, 144:22, 146:13, 147:19, 150:15
started [22] - 9:5, 13:23, 23:30, 53:10, 79:21, 81:4, 81:7, 82:23, 83:14, 83:15, 84:25, 114:24, 116:13, 116:26, 117:2, 129:15, 130:12, 134:8, 143:28, 145:4, 149:23, 156:4
starting [1] - 124:4starts [1] - 74:18State [2] - 89:26, 102:18state [16] - 7:5, 13:2,
17:28, 43:23, 57:12,
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64:26, 66:19, 67:16, 67:21, 68:30, 72:25, 78:3, 88:30, 91:22, 130:15
statement [50] - 17:22, 17:24, 17:26, 32:18, 32:22, 32:25, 33:2, 33:4, 35:22, 39:23, 40:8, 40:20, 41:7, 45:4, 46:16, 54:30, 64:22, 64:26, 67:22, 67:23, 70:23, 71:3, 71:4, 71:30, 72:21, 76:20, 76:25, 77:3, 77:12, 77:14, 77:30, 78:3, 80:7, 80:10, 85:28, 85:30, 86:1, 86:6, 86:15, 91:7, 93:9, 95:15, 96:17, 107:22, 107:27, 107:28, 108:18, 115:13, 121:17, 156:22
statements [3] - 78:10, 96:18, 108:23
stating [14] - 3:24, 13:1, 26:18, 37:20, 44:16, 58:22, 63:13, 74:19, 75:23, 76:22, 83:5, 93:13, 96:28
Station [13] - 24:2, 24:5, 25:21, 27:8, 28:9, 34:19, 34:29, 76:18, 78:7, 79:11, 82:10, 88:11, 94:23
station [25] - 2:25, 22:6, 25:2, 25:6, 26:16, 33:1, 76:5, 77:22, 79:2, 79:13, 80:8, 80:12, 80:19, 82:12, 82:15, 83:27, 85:5, 88:14, 94:29, 108:3, 115:23, 132:1, 134:3, 136:9, 147:10
stationed [1] - 53:6stay [5] - 39:2, 112:19,
112:21, 117:3, 118:30stayed [4] - 50:7, 111:29,
121:1staying [2] - 39:12,
132:29step [2] - 111:13, 126:12Stevens [1] - 136:6stick [1] - 10:25still [29] - 28:22, 35:27,
38:21, 59:19, 59:28, 60:1, 60:6, 60:18, 63:30, 66:10, 84:8, 98:18, 98:20, 99:26, 99:29, 100:20, 100:25, 100:27, 106:24, 111:3, 117:7, 118:5, 118:6, 123:3, 127:17, 132:7, 144:25
sting [1] - 153:30stolen [1] - 3:14stop [8] - 97:8, 123:18,
125:11, 151:13, 151:18, 151:21, 152:17, 160:25
stopped [4] - 97:7, 125:8,
125:10, 141:6stops [1] - 150:28storage [4] - 154:6,
154:12, 154:19stored [1] - 18:26stories [11] - 17:30, 20:3,
61:21, 61:23, 68:4, 98:23, 99:29, 99:30, 103:20, 143:9, 156:11
story [25] - 18:3, 23:29, 26:16, 26:19, 31:29, 34:17, 46:10, 59:23, 60:13, 69:3, 69:5, 69:12, 69:18, 87:4, 89:30, 99:4, 99:11, 99:12, 99:18, 99:23, 100:11, 100:12, 135:12, 155:26, 155:28
straight [4] - 68:4, 148:11, 148:23, 152:26
straightaway [2] - 129:14, 137:14
Street [1] - 120:21street [10] - 2:25, 41:2,
41:17, 83:30, 84:3, 97:4, 97:9, 106:16, 106:19, 136:11
streets [1] - 137:20stressful [1] - 144:28string [1] - 29:18strong [1] - 118:20stuck [1] - 123:23stuff [24] - 4:9, 6:27, 18:6,
18:30, 20:4, 21:11, 21:22, 23:29, 36:24, 38:17, 39:15, 39:17, 39:25, 41:15, 73:22, 88:29, 94:15, 99:3, 120:1, 144:1, 146:30, 150:3, 151:12
submit [1] - 107:7subsequent [1] - 156:22subsequently [2] - 58:15,
160:6subsistence [1] - 101:30substantiate [1] - 19:10substantive [1] - 76:21subversive [2] - 50:16,
51:3successful [1] - 44:14sudden [1] - 134:17suddenly [1] - 125:22suffered [1] - 106:10sufficient [1] - 81:5suggest [26] - 10:1,
11:22, 19:4, 29:4, 32:29, 34:18, 45:6, 47:12, 47:14, 55:3, 55:11, 55:16, 59:14, 65:5, 65:20, 66:30, 67:6, 67:10, 71:29, 78:22, 85:23, 93:3, 108:27, 138:24, 160:5, 161:4
suggested [2] - 150:23, 159:3
suggesting [3] - 45:24, 55:7, 59:8
suggestion [4] - 18:10, 126:2, 159:6, 159:14
suggests [1] - 68:22suited [1] - 90:12sum [2] - 121:7, 121:9summer [1] - 126:2Sunday [10] - 69:2, 69:13,
69:17, 69:21, 98:27, 99:7, 155:22, 155:23, 156:2
Superintendent [16] - 19:18, 19:19, 24:27, 24:28, 36:15, 45:12, 46:2, 55:30, 73:5, 76:10, 76:11, 102:12, 139:7
supplied [1] - 3:15supply [1] - 159:13supplying [3] - 152:20,
159:10, 159:17support [1] - 43:14suppose [4] - 100:3,
118:25, 118:29, 136:29supposed [5] - 46:29,
107:17, 133:18, 143:13, 154:11
supposition [1] - 87:12surely [1] - 105:15surname [1] - 131:16surprise [1] - 97:1surprised [2] - 64:26,
141:15surprising [1] - 5:7surrounding [1] - 153:4surveillance [3] - 156:25,
157:29, 158:2survive [1] - 101:30suspect [3] - 57:6,
140:14, 157:12suspected [3] - 94:30,
143:20, 150:14suspecting [1] - 146:13suspects [1] - 133:23suspicion [2] - 122:10,
126:27swallowed [1] - 61:27swim [1] - 137:12switch [4] - 123:16,
123:19, 130:19, 137:21switchboard [1] - 127:8switched [1] - 151:9sworn [2] - 1:13, 1:14system [2] - 154:15,
155:14Síochána [3] - 102:2,
109:8, 155:1
Ttablet [3] - 153:19,
153:21, 153:27tablets [5] - 153:17,
153:18, 153:23, 154:18, 155:2
talkative [1] - 122:2tall [5] - 29:12, 29:14,
29:16, 29:17, 29:21taller [2] - 29:15, 29:22
tamper [1] - 18:30tank [1] - 112:30tape [3] - 137:25, 137:26taped [1] - 143:10target [2] - 70:9, 84:9targeted [3] - 145:24,
147:22, 154:17targeting [3] - 152:12,
153:9, 158:16task [3] - 88:26, 128:22,
128:25taught [5] - 104:24,
114:14, 122:3, 122:16, 129:12
tea [1] - 110:14teach [4] - 113:9, 113:11,
122:18teaching [2] - 113:11,
113:12Teague [1] - 101:8team [13] - 14:3, 27:1,
27:17, 28:29, 29:3, 45:11, 61:2, 67:17, 67:19, 68:7, 132:30, 143:1, 153:11
teams [1] - 40:19teatime [2] - 75:8, 135:9technical [1] - 43:14teeth [2] - 30:17, 30:19Telegraph [1] - 135:12telephone [3] - 40:13,
108:9, 139:26telephoned [3] - 76:16,
78:5, 108:1television [3] - 26:25,
149:22, 149:24televisions [1] - 119:8ten [9] - 79:11, 79:21,
80:1, 80:2, 80:21, 82:10, 82:30, 83:27, 106:6
tended [1] - 156:14term [1] - 143:16terminate [1] - 152:10terminated [2] - 152:6,
152:12terms [6] - 2:29, 18:8,
84:23, 92:21, 95:28, 97:23
terrorist [3] - 34:3, 138:8, 154:18
terrorists [1] - 144:12testing [1] - 88:29that.. [1] - 37:24THE [8] - 1:1, 81:24, 82:1,
109:5, 162:10THEN [1] - 81:24then-Unity [1] - 70:10theory [1] - 143:11therefore [7] - 13:13,
91:13, 97:28, 97:29, 138:11, 140:12, 157:14
thin [2] - 29:26, 29:27thinking [3] - 77:3, 88:25,
102:9thinks [1] - 143:1third [1] - 19:20thirds [1] - 120:15
thousand [2] - 121:13, 121:14
thousands [1] - 124:23threatened [1] - 142:3three [23] - 13:5, 19:16,
19:22, 24:26, 27:22, 27:23, 28:20, 28:21, 33:3, 36:11, 39:29, 60:17, 68:9, 79:14, 88:11, 112:16, 113:3, 120:19, 126:12, 129:16, 142:14, 150:28, 151:5
throughout [1] - 97:23thugs [2] - 67:17, 67:19tie [2] - 37:3, 48:28tied [4] - 68:10, 72:10,
72:12, 72:16tip [9] - 46:19, 46:25,
46:29, 47:10, 56:17, 56:19, 64:10, 85:5, 87:13
tip-off [4] - 56:17, 56:19, 85:5, 87:13
tipped [10] - 39:19, 40:6, 47:13, 62:21, 80:2, 80:3, 80:5, 82:15, 82:29, 84:16
tipping [1] - 62:17title [2] - 2:12, 72:18TO [1] - 2:1to.. [2] - 91:23, 155:15tobacco [1] - 145:17Toby [2] - 90:17, 90:18today [3] - 54:25, 77:16,
85:14together [5] - 80:30,
95:19, 96:2, 129:1, 129:9
toilet [1] - 138:22tom [1] - 54:5Tom [63] - 19:21, 21:22,
45:12, 46:2, 49:6, 49:7, 49:24, 49:26, 52:23, 53:22, 53:27, 53:28, 53:30, 54:6, 55:10, 55:20, 55:22, 55:25, 56:23, 57:3, 58:8, 59:4, 59:9, 62:2, 64:23, 65:1, 65:8, 65:17, 65:22, 65:30, 66:8, 66:22, 67:1, 67:3, 67:7, 67:11, 67:13, 67:14, 67:18, 67:20, 67:22, 68:18, 68:19, 69:26, 70:6, 70:20, 70:24, 71:8, 71:19, 72:1, 72:19, 72:22, 92:15, 92:16, 105:29, 105:30, 106:3, 106:15, 106:18, 106:20, 106:22, 143:2
tomorrow [3] - 161:10, 161:13, 161:15
tonne [1] - 131:4took [42] - 10:22, 10:23,
19:27, 20:23, 36:30, 37:1, 43:20, 43:22, 43:29, 45:22, 50:19, 56:4, 68:6, 68:8, 71:5,
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71:11, 73:10, 73:25, 76:1, 76:12, 77:24, 77:27, 101:10, 105:28, 107:29, 115:7, 122:14, 125:4, 125:27, 129:5, 129:6, 129:11, 132:6, 132:18, 134:7, 137:9, 147:29, 148:15, 148:17, 151:2, 151:11, 160:14
tools [2] - 36:23, 39:26top [1] - 107:1topic [1] - 64:22Torah [5] - 3:15, 3:28,
4:5, 4:17, 4:24torture [1] - 102:22total [1] - 144:4totally [11] - 5:1, 21:18,
36:23, 55:18, 58:14, 76:19, 76:24, 76:27, 93:29, 145:26, 152:20
touch [2] - 38:3, 57:15tough [2] - 106:1, 106:2towards [1] - 126:15town [2] - 110:27, 120:24Town [3] - 126:9, 126:10,
137:10traced [1] - 140:12tracking [4] - 123:26,
124:12, 134:12, 136:30trade [2] - 109:27, 117:21trained [2] - 44:12, 51:11training [6] - 111:3,
112:7, 114:7, 114:13, 114:15, 114:16
travel [2] - 4:1, 4:3travelling [2] - 153:12,
160:6treason [1] - 96:28treated [4] - 100:17,
100:20, 100:23, 100:29TRIBUNAL [4] - 1:1,
81:24, 82:1, 162:10Tribunal [35] - 2:12, 6:2,
7:18, 7:22, 7:26, 8:5, 12:30, 13:4, 32:18, 32:23, 32:26, 33:3, 43:5, 44:30, 45:7, 45:8, 45:10, 45:19, 55:20, 57:28, 58:29, 67:11, 77:26, 78:15, 81:14, 82:21, 85:28, 96:18, 101:20, 102:4, 103:18, 106:23, 107:24, 148:3, 157:19
trick [1] - 20:5tried [3] - 69:30, 151:12,
157:24trigger [3] - 84:1, 84:4,
135:13trigger-man [1] - 84:4trigger-person [1] - 84:1triggers [1] - 130:21trip [1] - 3:12trouble [2] - 43:26, 123:5troubles [1] - 111:23true [4] - 15:8, 18:12,
21:16, 21:18trust [3] - 105:27, 140:30,
141:2trusted [6] - 5:8, 6:14,
6:18, 7:7, 65:17, 138:20trustworthy [2] - 106:26,
106:27truth [3] - 71:12, 90:1,
117:29try [11] - 8:20, 14:9,
15:10, 37:3, 49:12, 67:4, 88:6, 99:4, 99:26, 99:29, 119:10
trying [6] - 20:5, 59:14, 66:30, 67:12, 74:5, 114:11
Turkey [3] - 3:13, 3:17, 4:16
turned [1] - 152:22TV [2] - 139:10, 149:15TVs [1] - 119:9twenty [2] - 59:10, 79:14twenty-five [1] - 79:14twice [5] - 64:23, 65:12,
97:17, 131:26, 142:12twisting [1] - 28:3two [55] - 3:1, 12:23,
13:5, 16:10, 19:23, 20:6, 22:2, 23:22, 31:2, 33:22, 36:28, 38:23, 56:7, 60:17, 67:6, 67:26, 69:1, 69:9, 73:2, 74:16, 75:20, 76:20, 78:12, 79:10, 79:11, 79:21, 80:1, 80:2, 80:18, 82:10, 82:30, 83:27, 84:11, 86:7, 92:26, 94:3, 94:4, 102:19, 102:28, 104:29, 108:20, 119:13, 120:15, 120:16, 121:14, 122:9, 126:11, 133:11, 142:5, 142:20, 142:21, 142:26, 153:23, 157:15, 160:19
two-door [1] - 122:9two-thirds [1] - 120:15type [23] - 14:22, 19:21,
30:20, 50:1, 50:3, 50:10, 51:2, 51:17, 51:20, 57:19, 89:17, 89:18, 115:24, 118:11, 135:22, 136:11, 137:13, 146:2, 152:28, 153:7, 153:8, 157:26
types [1] - 130:10
UUDR [1] - 59:28UK [2] - 115:12, 115:14Ulster [1] - 6:12ultimately [1] - 121:3um-hmm [1] - 155:3unavailable [1] - 58:14unbelievable [2] -
138:11, 138:24under [11] - 2:12, 7:5,
7:27, 7:29, 84:11, 102:21, 137:5, 137:21, 149:19, 156:24, 157:29
understood [3] - 27:19, 118:12, 151:23
undoubtedly [1] - 156:21unemployment [1] -
110:17unfair [1] - 93:26unfairly [2] - 100:17,
100:20unfortunately [1] - 13:12Union [1] - 122:13union [1] - 122:17Unit [7] - 27:2, 72:23,
72:28, 115:19, 133:16, 143:22, 148:29
unit [12] - 8:18, 8:19, 47:5, 56:12, 56:13, 102:20, 115:19, 133:10, 133:11, 135:15, 135:16, 159:28
units [3] - 81:2, 130:12, 133:18
Unity [2] - 70:8, 70:10unless [4] - 6:6, 65:23,
80:4, 80:6unlicensed [6] - 52:24,
54:3, 54:9, 59:6, 59:11, 59:12
unlikely [2] - 18:19, 18:24unreliable [1] - 135:29UNTIL [1] - 162:10untrue [3] - 159:15,
159:17up [97] - 4:9, 12:10,
12:12, 12:14, 12:18, 14:30, 17:1, 19:21, 24:10, 28:23, 35:14, 38:3, 38:5, 38:16, 41:28, 43:4, 60:19, 60:20, 68:7, 68:10, 70:19, 72:10, 72:12, 72:16, 79:1, 79:24, 80:28, 84:1, 84:5, 84:8, 89:30, 91:17, 93:4, 96:20, 96:27, 97:5, 103:17, 103:18, 105:22, 107:24, 107:27, 109:23, 110:27, 111:13, 112:15, 112:17, 113:6, 114:25, 115:19, 115:28, 116:5, 117:28, 120:4, 120:23, 120:30, 121:27, 123:21, 124:10, 124:29, 125:11, 126:7, 126:24, 126:26, 126:28, 126:29, 127:3, 127:4, 127:7, 128:30, 131:12, 132:5, 132:17, 134:18, 136:7, 140:22, 141:22, 141:23, 145:8, 146:24, 147:7, 148:29, 150:15, 151:7, 151:10, 152:22, 153:10, 153:13, 153:30, 154:14, 155:14, 156:10, 156:26, 157:26, 158:1, 159:4
Vvaluable [3] - 35:6, 55:29,
56:6
value [1] - 147:26van [11] - 66:2, 67:26,
67:28, 68:9, 68:12, 68:16, 72:10, 72:17, 133:21, 133:29, 160:13
vans [1] - 134:2variety [1] - 143:17various [5] - 128:19,
130:25, 132:7, 156:13, 156:23
VAT [1] - 145:17vehemently [1] - 104:23vehicle [3] - 123:27,
134:8, 136:19verify [1] - 58:3vests [13] - 152:15,
152:16, 152:18, 152:20, 152:21, 152:22, 152:25, 152:26, 152:27, 152:29, 153:2, 153:6
Viagra [4] - 153:16, 153:18, 154:18, 155:2
videos [1] - 119:9view [8] - 3:17, 57:30,
71:26, 83:2, 107:9, 116:9, 124:1, 136:29
visit [1] - 111:4visited [1] - 39:2visiting [1] - 110:18Vodack [1] - 140:5Vodafone [1] - 140:6volunteers [6] - 46:23,
85:15, 86:15, 129:26, 143:17
Wwage [7] - 97:30, 101:29,
116:16, 116:19, 118:5, 145:7
wait [1] - 67:28waiting [7] - 84:25, 84:27,
84:30, 85:11, 85:15, 123:20, 126:14
waive [1] - 122:10Walk [1] - 70:8Wall [1] - 112:27wall [1] - 129:30wallpaper [1] - 116:30wallpapering [1] - 116:28Walter [6] - 6:20, 6:21,
6:22, 99:3, 136:2, 157:17
war [2] - 3:14, 109:26Warrenpoint [2] - 94:13,
95:9WAS [1] - 109:5watch [3] - 74:3, 74:8,
74:12watching [1] - 31:25Water [19] - 8:24, 8:28,
9:2, 14:25, 15:2, 16:14, 16:19, 18:1, 18:4, 18:15, 19:5, 19:10, 20:12, 20:19, 21:11, 21:13, 22:8, 23:29, 121:29
wave [3] - 31:1, 31:24,
31:25ways [2] - 114:18weaknesses [1] - 144:16wealthy [1] - 119:3weapons [3] - 5:30,
112:1, 158:15wearing [5] - 57:16,
57:21, 68:15, 153:1, 159:23
website [2] - 69:27, 70:3wee [1] - 115:23week [9] - 62:26, 88:28,
120:16, 120:30, 128:8, 142:12, 142:14, 156:25, 157:30
weekend [4] - 111:16, 111:29, 115:30, 140:25
weeks [9] - 16:10, 49:14, 69:1, 71:9, 87:25, 87:26, 87:28, 89:1, 120:17
well-known [5] - 55:8, 94:20, 95:6, 101:14, 136:26
Wellington [1] - 68:16Wellingtons [1] - 68:15whatsoever [3] - 61:1,
90:16, 93:3whilst [1] - 2:24whole [10] - 60:13, 79:8,
115:29, 116:30, 128:27, 129:12, 141:24, 147:5, 160:20
wife [7] - 96:14, 96:19, 96:24, 99:15, 118:24, 121:2, 140:12
wife's [3] - 139:14, 139:22, 140:27
William [1] - 91:20wind [2] - 39:24, 46:16window [2] - 52:22, 68:5windows [1] - 140:22wing [2] - 80:29, 120:5wings [1] - 120:8wires [1] - 18:6withdraw [2] - 108:22,
108:24withdrew [1] - 1:11WITNESS [1] - 109:5witness [14] - 1:8, 2:11,
2:14, 2:17, 6:1, 13:2, 34:2, 57:25, 81:15, 91:25, 93:28, 151:23, 157:10, 161:21
Witness [18] - 2:12, 2:14, 2:16, 2:17, 2:20, 2:29, 3:24, 4:28, 146:23, 147:10, 148:28, 148:30, 149:1, 149:3, 149:16, 152:21, 155:6, 155:18
witness-box [1] - 13:2witnesses [1] - 5:3wondering [2] - 48:3,
118:25word [11] - 18:22, 39:29,
41:25, 42:3, 89:8, 89:14, 127:14, 151:20
word-for-word [3] -
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41:25, 42:3, 89:14words [11] - 6:20, 28:3,
39:16, 47:2, 75:26, 87:3, 89:10, 89:19, 104:10, 104:12
World [1] - 104:5world [1] - 142:19worn [1] - 57:20worry [4] - 12:28, 13:2,
97:7, 134:9worrying [1] - 135:11worst [2] - 27:9, 56:11worst-kept [2] - 27:9,
56:11Wrexham [5] - 115:15,
115:18, 115:21, 115:23writ [1] - 33:22write [14] - 11:6, 12:20,
14:10, 26:16, 33:8, 33:24, 61:6, 63:12, 64:1, 72:29, 87:16, 91:24, 93:22, 156:30
writers [6] - 12:23, 33:22, 34:28, 34:30, 35:10, 73:2
writes [3] - 91:25, 93:28, 157:10
written [4] - 12:30, 33:21, 76:25, 101:7
wrongfully [2] - 118:28, 120:8
wrote [8] - 11:12, 26:19, 33:12, 52:30, 73:3, 99:5, 157:4
Yyear [19] - 17:27, 23:17,
23:28, 24:5, 24:6, 32:19, 70:12, 71:14, 102:16, 103:22, 103:25, 108:4, 112:22, 119:15, 119:16, 121:5, 131:27, 146:26
years [29] - 5:23, 8:17, 8:24, 10:21, 10:22, 11:23, 13:16, 34:11, 50:21, 50:22, 50:23, 59:30, 60:17, 61:7, 61:22, 77:4, 77:13, 89:12, 100:1, 103:21, 106:6, 112:15, 118:15, 119:14, 124:11, 129:13, 151:16, 157:22, 157:25
yesterday [20] - 2:6, 2:11, 2:18, 5:22, 5:28, 8:7, 19:16, 23:21, 31:1, 32:6, 32:8, 32:12, 36:17, 56:10, 56:11, 67:24, 77:16, 141:18, 154:23, 154:24
yo [1] - 128:11younger [1] - 110:22yourself [17] - 11:23,
34:30, 40:18, 40:24, 44:15, 54:16, 55:8, 57:28, 61:27, 67:13, 88:20, 103:10, 105:23,
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108:28, 130:8, 140:13, 158:9
yous [6] - 35:15, 35:19, 65:2, 95:11, 141:12, 145:6
££10 [1] - 153:19£10,000 [2] - 124:27,
125:9£30,000 [1] - 98:29£5 [1] - 153:21£5,000 [2] - 123:1, 123:2£50,000 [2] - 99:7, 99:23