72 A2015 SIG-HOU Log1163 tiaballotprelim
Transcript of 72 A2015 SIG-HOU Log1163 tiaballotprelim
National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471 Phone: 617-770-3000 • Fax: 617-770-0700 • www.nfpa.org
MEMORANDUM TO: Technical Committee on Single and Multiple Station Alarms and Household Fire Alarm Systems
FROM: Jenny Depew, Administrator, Technical Projects
DATE: December 17, 2014
SUBJ: NFPA 72 Proposed TIA Log No. 1163 Preliminary TC Ballot Results __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
According to 5.5(a) in the NFPA Regs, the preliminary results show this TIA HAS NOT achieved the ¾ majority vote needed on both Question 1 (Technical Merit) and Question 2 (Emergency Nature). 24 Eligible to Vote 7 Not Returned (Boyd, Fraczkowski, Gottuk, Kittle, Pecht, Rader, Simpson) Technical Merit:
Emergency Nature:
2 Abstentions (Dedear, Olenick) 1 Abstentions (Dedear) 3
Agree
5
Agree
12 Disagree (Blum, Dallaire, Christian, Cleary, Gifford, Kryagin, McNelis, Miniszewski, Ogle, Orlowski, Parssinen, Ratzlaff)
11
Disagree (Blum, Dallaire, Christian, Gifford, Kryagin, McNelis, Miniszewski, Olenick, Ogle, Orlowski, Ratzlaff)
There are two criteria necessary to pass ballot [(1) affirmative ¾ vote and (2) simple majority] with both questions needing to pass ballot in order to recommend that the Standards Council issues this TIA. (1) The number of affirmative votes needed for the report to be published is 12.
Technical Merit: (24 eligible to vote - 7 not returned - 2 abstentions = 15 × 0.75 = 11.25 = 12) Emergency Nature: (24 eligible to vote - 7 not returned - 1 abstentions = 16 × 0.75 = 12)
(2) In all cases, an affirmative vote of at least a simple majority of the total membership eligible to vote is
required.
This is the calculation for simple majority: [24 eligible ÷ 2 = 12 + 1 = (13)]
An appeal relating to a proposed Tentative Interim Amendment shall be filed no later than 5 days after notice of the Technical Committee’s TIA FINAL ballot results are published in accordance with 1.6.2 (c) and 4.2.6. In the case that a Correlating Committee is also being balloted, appeals need to filed 5 days after the notice of the Correlating Committee TIA FINAL ballot results are published. Ballot comments are attached for your review. Ballots received from alternate members are not included unless the ballot from the principal member was not received.
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT
PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1163
To add a new subsection 29.3.8.1.1 in the 2013 and Proposed 2016 Editions of
NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code
Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA to Add a new Subsection 29.3.8.1.1:
____________ AGREE ____X____ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
I believe the language, as it is currently written in the code, clearly states that an accessory
device that creates the low frequency signal can be used.
Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.
____________ AGREE ______X______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
I do not feel this TIA has technical merit, as such I do not feel it is an emergency
Signature
Andrew Blum
Name (Please Print)
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Date
Please return the ballot on or before Monday, December 8, 2014.
PLEASE RETURN TO:
Jenny Depew, Administrator, Technical Projects
NFPA
1 Batterymarch Park
Quincy, MA 02169 E-mail: [email protected] FAX: (617) 770-0700
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT
PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1163
To add a new subsection 29.3.8.1.1 in the 2013 and Proposed 2016 Editions of
NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code
Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA to Add a new Subsection 29.3.8.1.1:
____________ AGREE ____X_______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
_As currently written section 29.3.8.1 does not prohibit the use of smoke alarm accessory
_devices from producing the low frequency audible signal. At present there are several listed
_smoke alarm accessory products that produce the low frequency audible alarm signal
Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.
____________ AGREE _____X______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
__This TIA does not meet the emergency nature requirements as there are listed products
on the market._______________________________________________________
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Signature
_David E. Christian________________
Name (Please Print)
_12/08/2014______________________
Date
Please return the ballot on or before Monday, December 8, 2014.
PLEASE RETURN TO:
Jenny Depew, Administrator, Technical Projects
NFPA
1 Batterymarch Park
Quincy, MA 02169 E-mail: [email protected] FAX: (617) 770-0700
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT
PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1163
To add a new subsection 29.3.8.1.1 in the 2013 and Proposed 2016 Editions of
NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code
Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA to Add a new Subsection 29.3.8.1.1:
____________ AGREE _____X_______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
_____________________________________________________________________ The current language says “notification appliance.” That clearly allows listed accessories to be used.
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Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.
____________ AGREE ________X____ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
_____________________________________________________________________ I believe this is an education problem, not a problem with the code as written.
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Signature
_Wendy B. Gifford_______________________________
Name (Please Print)
____12/5/2014____________________________
Date
Please return the ballot on or before Monday, December 8, 2014.
PLEASE RETURN TO:
Jenny Depew, Administrator, Technical Projects
NFPA
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1163
To add a new subsection 29.3.8.1.1 in the 2013 and Proposed 2016 Editions of NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code
Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA to Add a new Subsection 29.3.8.1.1: _______X____ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________
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Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. ______X_____ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________
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_____ _________________________ Signature _______Rich Hoffman_________________________ Name (Please Print) __________12/5/2014______________________ Date Please return the ballot on or before Monday, December 8, 2014. PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Administrator, Technical Projects NFPA 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, MA 02169 E-mail: [email protected] FAX: (617) 770-0700
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT
PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1163
To add a new subsection 29.3.8.1.1 in the 2013 and Proposed 2016 Editions of
NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code
Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA to Add a new Subsection 29.3.8.1.1:
____________ AGREE _____x_______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
_____________________________________________________________________ 29.3.8.1 Currently is correct, and allows for accessories that produce the low frequency alarm signal.
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Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.
____________ AGREE ___x_________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
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_the issue does not appear to warrant any emergency actions; some public release of
clarification, e.g. note or article in NFPA Journal, etc. should suffice.
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Signature
Kim R. Mniszewski
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Name (Please Print)
____12/5/14____________________________
Date
Please return the ballot on or before Monday, December 8, 2014.
PLEASE RETURN TO:
Jenny Depew, Administrator, Technical Projects
NFPA
1 Batterymarch Park
Quincy, MA 02169 E-mail: [email protected] FAX: (617) 770-0700
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT
PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1163
To add a new subsection 29.3.8.1.1 in the 2013 and Proposed 2016 Editions of
NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code
Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA to Add a new Subsection 29.3.8.1.1:
____________ AGREE ______X______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
While I agree with the submitters’ intent to add clarity to this section to explicitly permit the use of
smoke alarm accessories in lieu of smoke alarms as a source of low frequency alarm signals; as the
proposal is currently worded, smoke alarm accessories could only be used in the absence of smoke
alarms that are capable of producing a low frequency alarm signal. I believe this conflicts with the
both the intent and the current wording of 29.3.8.1 and makes the use of accessories dependent only
on the lack of availability of smoke alarms that produce low frequency signals, rather than
permitting them as an alternative source of low frequency alarm signals in all situations._______
Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.
_____X_______ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
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Signature
_John L Parssinen_________________
Name (Please Print)
_December 8, 2014________________
Date
Please return the ballot on or before Monday, December 8, 2014.
PLEASE RETURN TO:
Jenny Depew, Administrator, Technical Projects
NFPA
1 Batterymarch Park
Quincy, MA 02169 E-mail: [email protected] FAX: (617) 770-0700
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT
PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1163
To add a new subsection 29.3.8.1.1 in the 2013 and Proposed 2016 Editions of
NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code
Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA to Add a new Subsection 29.3.8.1.1:
__________ AGREE ______X______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
_____________________________________________________________________
The current edition states how to comply with the standard if the smoke alarm is not a
capable of producing a low frequency sound. See 29.3.8.1.1 Where listed smoke alarms
are not capable of producing the required low frequency signal, listed smoke alarm
accessories that produce the low frequency alarm signal shall be permitted
._________________________________________________________________
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Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.
____________ AGREE ____X________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
_____________________________________________________________________
__29.3.8.1.1 explains how to meet the requirements of the standard if the alarm is not
capable of producing a low frequency sound.
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Signature
___Larry___Ratzlaff__________________________
Name (Please Print)
______12-08-2014__________________________
Date
Please return the ballot on or before Monday, December 8, 2014.
TECHNICAL COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT
PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1163
To add a new subsection 29.3.8.1.1 in the 2013 and Proposed 2016 Editions of
NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code
Question 1: I agree with the TECHNICAL MERITS of the Proposed TIA to Add a new Subsection 29.3.8.1.1:
____X________ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
_____________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________________________________________
Question 2: I agree that the subject is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.
___X_________ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*
EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:
*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position.
_____________________________________________________________________
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Signature
_Tom Waldron____________________
Name (Please Print)
__12-7-14________________________
Date
Please return the ballot on or before Monday, December 8, 2014.
PLEASE RETURN TO:
Jenny Depew, Administrator, Technical Projects
NFPA
1 Batterymarch Park
Quincy, MA 02169 E-mail: [email protected] FAX: (617) 770-0700