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speaker Blafr: HThe House will be in order: The Invocation

will be by Doctor Johnson.'' .

Doctor Johnson: HNow we pray. Lord and Giver of Life we '

have so often experienced that as our days so shall

our strength be. We thank you now for awakening us

to a new da/ and for the strength to be active inits demands and opportunfties. That Yqu have blessed

our lives with your goodness. Make us a blessing to

those we serve. Help us to use the gtfts You have

bestowed upon us in genuine ministry to bring peace:

V prosperity and plenty to al1 of our citlzens. And

' now as the day's activities in this Chamber begin,' p

may the remembrance of a11 You have done for us tn

the past encourage us to constancy and dedication

to the task we now face. Let the words of my mouth

and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in Your

Sight 0 Lord, My Strength and My Redeemer. Amen.l'

Speaker Blair: HRo11 Call for ateendance.''

Clerk Selcke: ''Messages...A message from the Senate by Hr.

Fernandes, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to' n.' s:lL.m -.

inform the House of Representatives the Senate hasN

passed Bills of the following title and the passage

of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the

House, Senate Bill 1650. 1656, 1663, 1673, 1676.

Passed by the Senatey June 23rd 1974. Edward E. Fer-' d Secretary. Mr. Speaker: I am directed to in-l 11 a n e S ,

! form the House of Representatives that the Senate has

refused to recede from that Amendment //1 to Bill of

' the following title: House Bill 2825. I am further

directed to inform the House of Representatives the

' N Senate requests a committee of a conference to consist

.' of five Members from each House to consider the dif-

. ferences of the two Houses in regard to the Amendnent

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of the Bi11. And that the Committee on Committees

the Senate has appointed such a Commlttee on...and

Lhe following: Senator Harrisy Don A. èloore, Roe,

Carrolly and Netscb . Action taken by the Senate .

June 23rd 1974. Edward E. Fernandes, Secretary. Mr.

. speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Repre-

. sentatives the Senate has acceded to the request of

the House of Representatives for a Second Conference

Committee to consider the differences between the two

Houses in regard to Senate Amendment //1 to House Bill

2826. I am further instructed to inform the House of

Representatives the Committee on Committee of the

Senate has appointed as such committee on the part of

the Senayûl Senators Howard R. Mobry Knepler, David-

son and Nudelman. Action taken by the Senate bune

23rd 1974. Edward E. Fernandes, Secretary.''jp 'Speaker Blair: All right, now the...when we wound up last

night, the Chair indfcated we would check the trans-

cripts of last Friday to ascertain whether or not we

were able to suspend the rules at that time in connec-

tion kith Bills that otherwise would have expired on

Sttnday. The transcript is clear that Mr. Walsh asked

to suspend as we had bebn doing. Mr. Houlihan o'bjected.

And so those Bills that, I don't know whether he put...

tbat are on this sheet, Senate and House Bills, were

effectively tabled pursuant to Rule 37-C as of mid-

night last Friday. It takes 107 votes for us to

bring them back. Are there any questions, are there

any questions by anybody with respect to that situa-

tion? A11 rightys any introductions, agreed resolu-

tions?''

Cler'k Selcke: f'House Resolution 1061. Hyde, et a1. House

Resolution 762, J. Houlihan, et a1. House Resolution

1063, Bill Murphy, et a1. House Resolution 1065,).. Nardulli et a1.'') 'J

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! 2 ---1'q Ju: 2 4 1074kI 3.! l *j ' 1j '; speaker Blair: I'Are you finisbed? Agreed Resolutions.! .t f ,Mr

. Walsh.

Walsh: 'tMr. Speakery tadies and Centlemen of the House, the

Agreed Resolutions are a11 congratulatory except for

House Resolution 1063 introduced by Representative

. Murphy and others. And it says that êit is the

sense of this House of Representatives that whoever

had the contract under which the remodeling of thi's

House was accomplished and the individual microphones

were installed be required to either cbange the micro-

phones.or the speakers. That's aa important decision.

Aad it also addresses itself to placing something up

here, I thfnk it's Representatfve Houlfhanls. No,

. t h a t i s n ' t i t . I t ' s . . . r e p l a c e th e m t c r o p h o n e s w i t h1

g o o d m i c r o p h o n e s a n d a go n d o l a c e i 1 i n g t.y p e f ix t u r e

such as we had prevïously for many years prior to the

' remodellng and rehabilitating of the House. So it's

- critical of the sound system and we heard consfderable

about that yesterday. If tbere fs no objection I nove

the adoption of the agreed resolution. It says some-

thlng about...today.''

Speaker Blair: HThe 'question's on the adoption of Agreed

Resolutions. A11 those in favor say aye; opposed no.

%he ayes have it. Agreed Resolutions are adopted.

k llouse Bills Second Reading, House Bill 2361.'1

1 .f ,1 j,j C 1 e r k S e l c k e ; 11 o u s e B i 1 1 2 3 6 1 . S c h i s 1 e r .rt! Sp eaker B1a ir : ''Mr . Schisler , you want tllat called? Direc.- '$ï ,, .'1 tor of Agriculture. Okay. 2827.ug. .f zeru selcke: ''nouse B:i

.11 2827 . . . .''g Cqtr .19.. j,h Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Brummet here? A11 rfght, 2272.1r,i Clerk Selcke: '.2272, Houllhan. A Bill for an act to exemptr::;:.::%' p r e s c r 1 p t i o n , n o n - p r e s c r :i p t :t o n m e d 1 c J. n e , d r u g s . m e d L -::.

1)t- c a 1 a p p 1 i a n c e s a n d s o f o r t h . s e c o n d R e a d i n g o f t h e'R,

*)' Bi1l. 0ne committee Amendment. Amend Eouse Bill: y'f '2 2 7 2 on pa g e 1 :E n t h e t J. t 1 e b y s t r i k 1 n g l 1 n e s 2 a n d4,9?-. k .. ...-g-.. iriqjq:,-';3 f'e,.>' .u c s x s R A t. A s s E M n t, v..tj ,.. ?g cjy.qx . ,1, '; % 'tz 1'k. ..r ,1 . . sxame.op. 1I.-v,.'o,>X'.-tr. ïk.. . vyi %' '-s. . ti s .w s s o p. ,, e: es sssavlx' I v s-s . . , . . .. . . . - .1S' - . . % ..>....- 7 .wJ . ' . . ' . ' . . . = s: - . ... .- . . f

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' jj3 and so forth.

speaker Blair: ''Who's Amendment is this? It's a Revepue

committee Amendment. Lundy? Mr. Lundy it's your

Amendment....ohy Mrv..on //2272.'î

Lundyl' ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Eadfes and Gentlemen of

the Rouse, I offered the Amendment in Commfttee at

the request of the Sponsor and I yield to him to

explain it.''

Speaker Blair: ''Is there dlscussion on the adoption of

tbe Amendment? A11 those in favor say àye; aye;

opposed, no. The aye's have it. The Amendment'fs

adopted. Further Amendments? Further Amendments.''

Clerk Selcke: ''Amendment //2. Skinner. Amend House B111

2272 page J by deleting lines 3 and fnserting inX .

lieu thereof the following 'remedies for humaa con-

sumption from certain taxes as reduced to tax im-

posed on food products'and so forth.î' -

Speaker Blair; ''Mr. Miller.îl

Miller: '1Mr. Speakers a point of inquiry. We're on House

Bi11 2272 and I heard an Amendment ready are these

Amendments printed and on their desks? I don't

find that.''

Speaker Blair: HMr. Clerk: is the Amendment prfnted? No>

it's not. Take the Bill out of the record theh 'til

they print it. Mr. Houlihan.''

Houlihan: fo s it for your prerogative to take my Bf11 out

of the record?l'

Speaker Blair: HNo, what we'll do is, we'll just keep the

House in recess until the Amendments are printed.

A11 right, a...while weVre wafting for the printing

of the Amendmentsy or Amendment, whatever one's been

introduced so far there are three additfonal Bills

that were tabled that the Clerk did not show on the:' print out. Tbey were House Bflls that were on

' Second Reading First Legislatfve Day yesterdayy Rouse

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' Resource t o wlzich. Hou se Bill 2435 was ref erred re-

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t u r n e d t h e s ame b a ck wi t h . . . Ru l e .2 3-D wa s o r d e r e d

tabled.'' '

Speaker Blair: HMr. Hirschfeld.''

Hirschfeld: f'Tbank you: Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Centlemen

of the llouse, I wonder if I might have your attention

for j11st one moment while wefre fn recess. In the

four years that I've been on this House floor I have

never yet once risen to a pofnt of personal privilege

involvink anything that was wrftten in the newspaper...'î

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Choate. Have a little order.l'

Hirschfeld: HBut I have in mv hand a...champainn-urbana

- Courfer and some people in my district read the

courier instead of a newspaper fn whïch the headlines

say 'Hirschfeld says he did but records say be didn't'.

And it's by Mr. Richard 'Ice' and it'sayrs'Represen-

tative John Hirschfeld Champaigny seems generally#

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' convinced he really had voted for a Bill to establtshN

a state V fice Pay Commission last week in the House.

Your record must be fncorrecty Hfrschfeld said furthers

when asked why he apparently voted on a Bill he was han-

dling in the House with Senator Bradley Glass. As

a Sponsor as a matter of fact he's been urRing his: > *'e .

colleaguœ to support the proposal but the Roll Call

offtcially verified and certified by the Clerkîs Office

indicated Hirschfeld had changed bis vote from yea to

nay. îIt must be an error, Hirschfeld saidê. It goes

on to say that whether or not Hirschfeld changed his

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: Vote the practice is very common in the House, so it st

t rather uncommon for the Sponsor of a Bill to cast at)

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1 7j. *# jt .) i' nay vote for the Bill hefs handling. These changesI '

,ik are made frequently at the podiut while the record

and the scoreboard still shows the tegislative yoting

another way. The official record fn this particular

' Roll Call indicates four others cbanged their vote .

probably because they realize the Pay Commission might

prove a sensitive issue back home. Now, Ladies and

Gentlemen of the House and particularly mey I realize

I was a little hard on the media last week. And thatî

too bad because I did what I thought they had coming

in regard to pay ralses. So I went up this morning

and I checked wlth the Clerk's Office and what I was

% told up there by the ladies was last week someone

called up and said gthis fs Representative HirschfeldQ .

calling and I want my vote changed from yea to nay.f

. And they said, 'we cannot do that witbout checking with

Mr. selcke first.' He said,#donît worry about that.

- because I'm a Member of this House, I*m a personal

friend of Mr. Selcke's'. Now I want the Members of

thls House to know that I did not call the Clerk's

Office to change my vote. I have never snuck around

this House and changed a vote. If anything, I prob-

ably take too many controversial provisions, I'm not

. about to change one of them after I ve taken it. I

resent tbe person that called the Clerk's Office and

telliug them he was me and changed my vote. I resent$'j thts damned article because...because the person whof1

wro te it d1d no t check with me f tr st because , . . .a t$..'1'k least the courtesy to do that . And we could bave gone.t!!' up to the clerk ' s of f ice and checked that out . And I$ ;k1. .-*:s f r a n k l y t h i n k i t ' s o n e m o r e c a s e o f t h e m e d i a t r y i n grc.,?) .h? to run this Hous e . And while I ' m on this subj ect Iptà

.'sm. mlght say that the same rag wrote a long editorial

Yi)t. ,,)è this week in the Sunday paper condemning the Clerk s-k't 1 1 c a 1 1 v o t e s t h e.!z! 0 f f i c e f o r r e f u s i ng t o t u r n o u t Ro& 'N )' .r'k: -

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very minute tîat the media wants them. And don't

think that Mr. Selcke's got any obligation to the

media to turn out a Roll Call the mlnute the medfa

wants ft. He...his oblikation is to this House and

to the Membership and to the Clerk's office to write

it in an orderly fashion. And frankly I think he's

doing a bell of a job and a lot' better job than the' media could ever do if they had 25 years.''

Speaker Blair: nWhat purpose does the Gentleman from Nacon

rfse, Mr. Borchers?'l

Borchers: HMr. Speaker and fellow Members of the Housey I'm

not really trying to think about what I want to say

but Ifn inspired by my good friend, Representatlve

Hirschfeld. I want to shov you tbe headlines of this%

morning's paper, The Decatur Herald Review. No< every

one of you vas here last nigbt and heard Represeatativ

Hanahan, Representative Alsup, Representative Tipéword

and myself discuss the merits of the Oakley Reservofr.

Now this is the Decatur paper, they have a 1ot of

young reporters there and one of tbem sat last nighty

don't know whether he's there now or not, I#m not

going to take time to look. Now, I want you to knov:

that in t:e headlines it says 'most of the jobs...

Oakley farms fails'. A1l ofqthfs is true. But in

the paper with the young reporters that are hired by

the Decatur Herald Review, and I presume by other

papers also throughout tbis state, although from my

point of view, Representative Tipsword's point of

view. Representative Alsup's point of view. we won

a good fight for what we think is the best interest

to the people of a1l of Sangamon Valley. Neverthe-

less not only...Representative Hanahan is mentioned.

The people that did the fightfng and tried to do our

best. twtsting arms of you folks herev our compatriots,

trying to get you to go along with us. And you did.

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I 'Not Representatfve Alsup, not Representative Tips-

wordy or myselfy was even Dentioned. This is... ,

'now wait a mfnute...this is not a matter of ego.

Tbis is a matter of justice and fair reporting and

proof of the. use of the media to promote thefr own '

end,because I am convinced and bave been known be-

cause of this story 'put fn the last two, three weeks

otber similar stories in relatfon to tbe best interest

of our community are trying to be controlled by the young ,

reporters of the Decatur Herald Review in the way

tbey wish the events are.e.and events and things to

go. Nowy I think it's a..vof proof right here

of just what's been said by Representative Hirschfeld.'

Speaker Blatr: ''Mr. Bluthardt.''

Bluthardt: ''Mr.* Speaker and Members of the House. so that

Webber won't feel too badlyy when I woke up this '

morning and turned on t%e radio. I heard a voice and

- usually that's a nice way to wake up in the morning.

I tbought I was having a nightmare but he was.-.he got

full coverage in a long period of timey it seemed

like hours and hours before he sbut up. Soo.-and I

think the station was a Decatur statfon, Webber.''

Speaker Blair: Hèlr. Cboate.''N .

choate: ''We11 Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Centlemen of the House,#'

I just can't 1et this opportunity pass to inject a

few remarks as far as especially Representative Hir-

schfeld is concerned and what I think is one of the

cheapest shots that I've ever seen in my histo/y of

politics. I don't always agree with Representative

Hirschfeld. I don't always agree wftb the way he

votes on various issues before t:is House. But there

is one thing that I've always found true about him, .

is that when be takes a posftion he doesn't dare, he

doesn't care about tbe general public knowing wbat

his position is. If it happened to him in this

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Ij *instance that someone can call the Clerk s Offtce

and portray to be a Member of thfs Housey and Daybe

was I don't know, but pretend to be-the Member in

question and change a vote and then have headlines

in his local paper that certainly are embarrassing

as far as his constituency is concerned then I

would say to you, Mr. Speakery that I think that the

Rules Committee better...better devote a little bit

of attention as far as making a rule fs concerned on

the changing of votes. I'm not faulting the Clerk's

Office. I think they do a magnfftcent job. And in

this instance probably figured that they were assis-

'. ting Representative Hirschfeld when in a11 factuality

it was not him. I think lt's one of the cheapest$ x

sbots Ifve ever seen. I would hope that we could find

out the name of that caller.''

Speaker Blair: MAII right, the House will be in order. So-

ke're advised that Amendment //2 to House Bf11 2272

has now been distributed on the Memberts desks. Who's

thd Sponsor of that Amendment?''

Clerk Selcke: ''Skinner.''

Speaker Blair: ''Oh, a11 right.î'

clerk Selcke: ''Amendment //2. Amend House Bill 2272, page 1kq -.J by deleting line 3 and so forth.''I2 ,I speaker Blair: ''Ihe Gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Skinner. '!' Skinnert 1'Mr. Speaker, Amendment //1 does what Iîve been

hearing requested from both ny side of the aisle and

tbe other side of the aisle for...ever since I've

been in the House. And that is to lower the sales

tax on food. Tbis takes one cent of the four cents

sales tax, state sales tax, off food which is...which

is not consuned within a restaurant. That 1sy uhich

isnet...well, which is bought off the shelf. The price

tag's about $50,000,000 which ia my opinion is consis-

tent with the' increased revenue estimates of the statef

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can expect . ' As vou know. oersonal lncome , .personal: - - - œ .

$ro i n c om e e s t ima t e s f r om t h e D e p a r tmen t o f Comme r c e h ave)' . .tlwg been substantiallvw.whave been adjusted substantially:

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upwa'rd sfnce . . . since March and as a resul t , our sales

)i' tax , f ncome tax receipts are est imated to exc eed thee11t!Y Bureau o f the Budget ' s book es tima t e s by the Chamb erp

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of Commerc e by $138 , 000 , 000 . t tAnd wi th a11 thls extrat,1 aoney ït seems to me that this is the type of meaa-!p

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kè . ingful relièf that would make this Bill sometbing more. l

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than the sham that it is with just tbe pharmaceutical. . . . y , . . . .

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r e . . . ,kt ' l ' ' . . 'r speaker Blatr: '''s there further dfscussion? The questlon's

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91 ''Mr. speaker, r hate to raise the éssue but I don't. schraeder:

jL'' ' i: av e Am e n d m e n t # 2 , am I t 1) e o n 1 y o n e ? ''kv . .àkzl,' 'Speaker Blafr) ''Wel1y would tbe page take the Amendment back

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Mugaltan: ''Representative Skianer thfs gets us fnto the splfe '.. ' ' .

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costs and consequences of kaving the split rate, in .

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them so'the additional cost would be minimuiv'' .'

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Speakér Blair: ''A11 rfght, the Gentleman care to close?' '

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oh wait a minute . . Mr . B eaupre . '' . 'u '.

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' j speaker Blair: ''Mr. Skinner? Says be will.''

' I ,,' Beaupre: Representative suinner, coutd you give us the

figures in rpgard to projected budget excesses for

this comtng year, either from the Chamber of Commerce'

#figures or tbe Taxpayer s Federation or the Comptrolle1l or the Bureau of the Budget.''

1 skinner: ''You mean the balance left from the General Fund?''. I,l

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'' ' # t,l Skinner: Noy I can t, I D sorry.. I' t '' lz it seems to me, Mr. speaker and Ladies andI Beaupre: we ,* Geattemen of the House , that it would be very fool-D

hardy on our part to vote to place an Amendment of thi

magnitude on this Bill which could very well resulte:'. 1'. ' fn depleting the State Treasury for an amount over al I7 I

' hundred milliou dollars when we don't really know what:

impact that would have on the total overall budgetary-. jl figure. We have not completed our work fn Appyoprfa-

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ef Bitl has totions, I realize, that any tax re1. ,$ come out of here before we do, but it seems to mell

that this kind of thing that Comaittees ought to look

l g anazysisat. And that we ought to have some sort o

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3 state budget. I think a11 the responsible observers4 I jf< 11 of budgetary matters in this state feel that we havel

.'. ( to have an excess of a hundred million dollars in the'' j .u I9 treasury at a11 times. I donlt know that the current

/b; budgetary figures would indicate that we can afford

' his sort of tax relief and I would urge while , vhf let:t i2 1 I must stand in opposition to the Bill itself. that2 $

we certainly don't make it worse by creating an ïmpact

of over a hundred million dollars in tbe State Treas-t'. ury. And I1d urge you, no vote.l'' ji S ker Blair: 'Ils there further...Mr. Pierce.n, pea

t Pierce: nMr. speakery Ladtes and Centlemen of the House. I:' 1t: thought I heard the Sponsor of this Amendment.. .the

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Gentleman from McHenrysin ansver to Representatfve

Mugalianfs questiow say tbere'd be no problem on the

split rates for grocery store; having one rate for

food items and another rate for non-food items be-

cause the computer equipment is used in Crystal

Lake. Welly I want him to know there are many small

grocery stores and independent grocers in this state

who can't afford a computer in their store.. And it's

unfair to him to put an Amendment in that discriminates

in favor of the large chatn stores that can put com-

puters in even obscure towns like Crystal Lake and

at the same time discriminates, I guess, against the

small independent grocer who can't afford a computer

in his store. Last year youRll remember the retailers

came and opposed Speaker Blair's wonderful sales re-

lief package because they said tt was fmpossible to

administer; there'd be one rate for groceries and

another rate for the non-grocery items that are so '

common in supermarkets today. And therefore, when -

the Bill got to the Senate they were successful in

defeaLing it. And Representative Skinner admits the

same problem exists with his Amendment except nou .

because Crystal take has a computer in their Jewel

store and Jewel is located right next door in Barring-

ton, he thinks itfll work, that it's practical. And

believe me, this Amendment discriminates against

every small retail merchant in the State of Illinois

who has to set up one percentage for hfs food items

and another sales tax percentage for his non-food

items. It not only leaves the State of Illinois with-

out sufficfent funds to fully fund our School Aid

Formula but it also completely destroys the tusiness

of the small merchants of our state. And I ask that

6 you defeat Amendment //2 to House Bill 2272 as being1t

n0t only impractical an operation but is robbtng theV

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school cbildren of our state of full fundtpg of

the school Aid Formula 'cause thgtês what it does

knows that's what it does.'' 'and he

$ ,ker Blair: ''Mr. Leinenweber.nSpea

Leinenweber: ''Tbank you, Mr. Speakex, Members of tbe Housç, .

the old bugaboo of the split vote is just not there. I

happened to spend the weekend in Indiana which does

have split rates for their sales tax and there's

actually no problem there. The large stores as the

Gentleman indicates has the sophisticated equipment

that can run double totals and the smaller storey

however, with the more relaxed pace of not haviag

long lines of people waiting to check out, they merely

do. it by running two separate totals; one for the

heavier tax items and one for the smaller size tax

items and then just add the two tégether. And cer-

tainly you mfght be able to argue against this Bï11

on the fiscal implications but certïinly you can't

argue against it on the splft rate because I've seœn

tt work. It works well in Indiana and if youVre in-

clined to go for sales tax relief then you ought to

vote aye regardless of the split vote consequences.

If you aren't then you ought to vote no.''

Sp eaker Blair : I'Kenny Miller . ''

Miller : ''We11, Mr . Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen o f the

lIo u s e , I r i s e t o su p p o r t Amendmen t # 2 . And I ' d 1 i ke

to t e 11 yo u two rea s ons why . There are two r eas ons

why I ' m suppo r t ing this Amendment . 0ne o f the rea sons

i s , t h i s B i l 1 i n i t s p r e s en t f o rm i s n o t h i n g m o r e o r

le s s t ha n t a x r e 1ie f f o r d r u g g i s t s . I ' m s u r e t h e

S p o n s o r o f t h i s B i 11 an d ever y Memb e r o f t h i s Hou s e

' kn ow s t h a t r e d u c i n g t h e t a x o n p r e s c r i p t i o n d r p g s i s

n o t h i n g mo r e t h a n a d r u g g i s t t ax r e li e f . N o w , i f t h i s

Amen dmen t # 2 Ei s a do p t e d th er e i s go ip g t o b e a c t ua l ly ,

a n d I u s i n g t he wo r d an d I 1 11 un d e r l i n e i t y me an in g f u 1 ,

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meaningful, meaningful, as we hear on the floor a11

the time. Meaningful tax relfef for the lietle people

in Illinois. The small: small people in respect to

. their money that they have to spend and theydre spen-

ding a bigh percentage on groceriesy this is going to

be spme tax relief. And I bope, Mr. Speaker, that

under the administration of the present Governor and

under the activities of the General Assembly that we

will give some tax relief to those people in Illinois

who deserve it. So, Mr. Speaker, I wholeheartedly

support Aaendment //2 and ask the Membership to adopt

Amendment //2.11

Speaker Blair: ''Further discussion? Mr. George Ryan.?

Ryan: H...Wi11 the Sponsor yield to a question?''

Speaker Blair: '%e indfcates he will.''

Ryan: HRepresentative Skinnery in your Bi11 are nonprescrip- ' -

- tion medications eliminated in your .Amendment any?''

S k i n n e r : 1 ' N o . '' '

Ryan: f'Theyfre still exempted according to the way Represen-

tative Houlihan had it presented, only prescription

drugs, rightk''

Skinner: ''Right.lf

Ryan: ''I'd like to address myself to the Amendment if I may.l'

Speaker Bluir: ''Go abead.''

Ryan: ''This Amendment is certainly, there's nothing phony

about thts as far as tax relief is concerned. Thfs is

absolute, postive tax relief. It's not hidden. The

proposal is House Bill 2272 for prescription drugs

is as phony an issue as I've seen since I've been here.

Thfs tax savings is not going to be passed on. As I

told you last week on the House floor, there was a

survey run in cbampaign by WCIA and six out of seven

pharmacists claimed that they would not pass this

savings on on prescription drugs. And I'm sure that

the Governor and Mr. Houlihan are well aware of this

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and theyfre just trying to hoodwink the public

and I think thét we should go along with Represen-

tative Skinner and put his Amendment on.''

speaker Blair: ''A11 right. Is there any further discussion

on Amendment //2? Tbe centleman care to close?'' '

Skinner: ï'Yes: Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, addressing myself to Representative Pierce's

. objections I would like to reply first of a11 to

make him realize that I specifically answered Repre-

sentative Mugalian's question about how the Jewél

Tea Store fn my town would handle the situatfon.

And I think I answered it accurately. I would like

' to suggest that if in Indiana they can have a split

rate and Wisconsin they...can have a split rate and

if with the new minimum wage that is just going into

effect in Illinois because of Representatfve Hanahanîs

1Ew of a couple years ago, the new employees in the

Ma and Pa stores wfll be competent than they have ' -

been in the past. That they will be able to handlf

the split rates with ease. You know, earlier thts

' yeary earlier this last week within the last sevea

days, we passed out $34,000,000 of tax relfef for

senior citizens even though we'd already passed meaa-

ingful property tax relief. Now itîs about time we '

start talking about tax relief for everybody. Now it#

not Just the people over the 65 that are hurttng, it's

everybody in the state. Now what is completely being

forgotten by the opponents of this Amendment is that

we have $96,000,000 more available today than we had

two weeks ago. In facty that's an addftfon to the

$138,000,000 of the Chamber of Commerce's estimates.

And it comes from Regional Transft Authority. That

l has been declared unconstitutional as you know. So

it we have $234,000,000 available. You subtract from('ï that the $73,000:000 from full funding and you stfll

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tax relief. So I would ask for a yes vote on this

Amendment that we may provide tax relief ihis year

not just for the senior citizens and not merely for

druggists as thfs unamended Bill wïll do but tqx re-

lief for everybody.''

Speaker Blair: HMr. William Walsh.''

Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, because of the importance of tbis Amend-

ment and because as has been stated ft does provfde

for meaningful tax reliefy I would request that there

be a Roll Call, a record vote, on this Amendment and

' Tfperhaps on other Amendments that might follow.

Speaker Blair: ''We11y we certainly will take a Roll Call on

this Amendment. The question fs, shall Amendment //2

to House Bill 2272 be adopted? A11 those in favor

will vote aye and the opposed no. Mr. Houlihan.''

Houlihan: '%1r. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Rouse, -'

ic's my feeling that this Amendment'and subsequent

Amendments bave been offered to delay the consideritto

of thls Bi11 and are not really a serfous attempt to

improve the legislation but rather to hold tbe Bill

so that it won't be considered on Third Reading. I

would ask that you give a red light, a no vote, to

this Amendment so we can move ahead and discuss the

merits of House Bfll 2272 on Third Reading as it was

drafted. I mfght also add that we have passed out

other tax relief measures, other proposals: in total

of some fffty Dillfon dollars. And the state is not

' going to be able to afford increasing tax relief wben

we have voted out full funding of schools and other

additional programs in this Legislature. I would hope

' that there would be more red lighes on ehat board so

we can defeat this attempt to gut a reasonable and a

responsible effort to provide tax relief to al1 the

citizens of the State of Illinois. And I urge your

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red ligbL on this vote.u .

speaker Blair: ''Mr. Lonzrlgan.''

Londrigan: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and' Gentlemen o.f the'H.ousea

ft seems obvious that some on the other side are at-

temptlng to beat thïs tax relîef Deasure by puttlng on

a number of Amendments. The ones who that are attemp-

ting to put on this Aoendment obvlously know tbat it

is unworkable and a bad Amendment. The sames oness

tbe same ones that proposed this measure consistently

in the past when it was an attempt to take off al1

the sales tax on food and medicine. They, themselvesy

got up and argued that it is unworkable; that the

stores cannot manage it. And now rather than take

off a total of five percent they are attempting to

take off a measly one percent which will be of little

benefit to the people but will be a great hardship ' .

- to the stores. And they know this. And they know

the stores are gofng to be in here screaming to beat' '

this total package Bill. Now why don't they permit

the Sponsor to keep this Bill in the form in which be

introduced it so that possibly we can have some tax

relief on medicine. It's obviously that they...ob-

vivus that they do not want him to have his B1l1 and

t'aey are going to muddy up the Bill in every way pos-

sible so that the stores and the Governor and every-

one else concerned would have to be against it. And

again, defeat tax relief for tbe people. I 'sugaest

we 1et the Sponsor proceed with this Bi11 and ktll

a1l of these Amendments.l'

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. William Walsh.''

I ''Walsh: Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I don't know wby the Gentleman that just spoke)( from time to time suggest tbat he is the only oneiù2 who ts on the square. We pointed out before that heqrb has never mïssed votlng for a eax...I'll be lneerestedL

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to see howm..he's red on there' thfs time. I hope! .t

the Gentlemen in the press recpghlze 'that he's red?' h h

as never before failed to vote yes on

because e

a tax relief measure. But on the same token he has: .<

never failed to vote for an approprfation- .to in-) 'I

crease spending at every level especfally ln the'

Sangamon neighborhood. Mr. Speaker, be is the one:)-

who ls not sincere; we axe not, we are sincere in&'

attempting to provide some meantngful tax relief here, not some shan that the Bill proposes to do. It has,' p*44ç been pointed out before that the Bill that we haveu before us unamended fs totall

y unworkable and does'' '

not provide anythina lïke meaningful tax relief. The')./. Amendaent makes the Bfll a decent Bill. And tf the'j'

Sponsor of the Bill will pursue the Bill I thtnk het -

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. will get a 1ot of help with it if the Amend=ent is onW:7

there. If it is not, I don't think be will. So Iwould urge everyone to vote y

es on this Amendaentw'î-

Speaker Blair: 'îMr. Schraeder.f'i

1,> Schraeder: Mr. Speaker, Members of the Housey this is anr

', obvious attempt te scuttle a Bf11 th

at tias made forj the pharmacy industry. And I#m going to vote against).1

the Amendment and Ifm going to vote against the Bfl1.

%1e have a Bill, if 1 may speak to that because ftêsvery pertinent, tbatls going to take care of the pharm

, acist. lheyfre tryipg to get a reduction sales taxso they can get a ptofit witho

ut giving the sales taxback to people. Now what thls Amendment does is to

gfve tax relief on the descrfbed ftems. And a11 you'redoing is putting a bad A

mendment on a worse Bill. Undeno conditions is this feasibly r

esponsible. It's un-Just. lt's certainly not economfcal to the state.l

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body to vote no. And when the Bi11 comes up give it( a resounding no.''!

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speaker Blair: ''Have a11 voted who wish? Clerk will take

. the record. Poll the absentees.. Okay. Mr. Skinner.''

skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, after hearing a1l thp hypocrisy during

the explanatioa' of votes it seems to me I at least

have to call for the poll of the absentees.''

speaker Blair: ''A1l vight. The Clerk will poll the absentees.

clerk Selcke/ ''Berman, Berman, no.''

Speaker Blair: nBerman, no.'' '

Clerk Selcke: ''Bradley, Brandt, Campbell, Carter, Chapman,

Dee, Douglasy Duff, Dyer, Epton, Giorgi,...'' '

Speaker Blair: HGiorgi, no.''

Clerk Selcke: HJfmmy Holloway, Robert Holloway, Jenison,

Keller, Kriegsnany Lauriao, Mann: Maragos, Mccourty

McGah ...H

Speaker Blair: ''McGah, no.''

Clerk Selcke: î'Porter, Rayson, Redmond, Sangmeistera...'î

Speaker Blair; ''Sangmeister, no.''

Clerk Selcke: ''Schisler, Schoeberlein Sevcik Thompsony .>

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Tfpsword, Von Boeckman...'' -

Speaker Blair: HTipsword, no. Tipswordy no-''

Clerk Selcke: HWally J. J. Wolf.l'

Speaker Blair: ''J. J. Wolf, no. No: J? Did you say no, J. J.

No. Mr. Bradley. Bradley, no. A11 right. Now, Mr.

simms.''

Simms: '%1r. Speaker, I1d ltke to verify the negative votes.''

Speaker Blafr: ''AII right, wells we'll have to start with the

afftrmattve. Verify, yeah. So we'll start with the

affirmative. A11 right. A11 right. Wefre starting

this is, 77 nays and 69 yeas-''

clerk Selcke: ''Anderson...''

speaker Blair: ''Wait, Fred. 0h, okay.'''

Clerk Selcke: nAnderson, Arnell Beatty. Bluthardt Borchers

Capuzi, Catania. Clabaugh, Collins, Cunningham, Day,

Deavers, Ralph Dunny Ebbesen, Friedland, Geo-Karis,

Cibbs, Giglio, criesheimer, Grotberg, Hanahan,

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Harpstrite, Hart, Hudson, Runsicker Huskeyy Dave#

Jonesy Juckett: Kellyy Kempiners, Kent, Klosak, '

Kucharski, LaFleur, Lauer, Leinenueber, Macdonald.

Mahar: McAuliffep Mccormick: McMastery Kenny Mfller, '

Tom Mtller, Murphyy Neff, North, Palmer, Pappasy

Peters, Philip, Randolph, Rigneyy Rose, Ryan, Shurtz,

Timothy Simms, Skinner, Soderstrom, Sprfngery Stiehl,

Telcser, Totteny Tuerk, Waddelly William Walsh, Walters,

Washburn,'Williams, Mr. Speaker.''

Speaker Blair: ''A11 right, are there questions of the affirm-

ative? Mr. Epton. How is the Gentleman recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: ''The Centleman is recorded as befng absent.''

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Epton votes aye. Mr. Duff. Mr. Duff.''

Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, how am I recorded?''

Speaker Blair: î'How is the Gentleman recorded?''

clerk Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as being absent.''

11 11 . *Duff: Please vote me aye. *'

- Speaker Blair: ''Vote the Gentleman aye. Mr.. Mccourt.''

M. ccourt: ''How am I recorded, Mr. Speaker?n

Speaker Blair: ''How ls the Gentleman recorded?l'

Clerk Selcke: ''The Gentleman fs recorded as being absent.''

Mccourt: ''Please vote me no.''

Speaker Blair: ''Record Mccourt no. A1l righty now: questions

of the affirmative. Mr. Brinkmeier.''

Brinkmeier: ''Mr. speaker, Ied like to be recorded no instead

of present.f'

Speaker Blair: r'Brinkmefer, how is he recorded?êl

Clerk Selcke: HThe Gentleman is recorded as voting present.n

Speaker Blair: ''AII right. Record hfm as no. Mr. Porter.

Mr. Brandt.l'

Brande) ''HOW am l recorded, Mr...H

Speaker Blalr: HThe Gentleman is recorded as being absent.''

Brinkmefer: Hvote me no.tl

Speaker Blair: l'Record the Gentleman as no. Mr. Porter.'l

Porter: ''How am I recorded?l'

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Speaker Blair: ''How is the Gentleman recorded?''

clerk Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as being absent.ll

Porter: ''Vote me aye, please.l' 1

Speaker Blair: HVote the Centleman aye. Al1 rfghty now,

question's on the affirmatfve. Question's on the

affirmative. Mr. Houlfhan.n

Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker.f'

speaker Blair: ''Yeah.''

Houlfhan: HSusan Catania.''

Speaker Blair: ''How is the Lady recorded? Catania.ê'

Clerk Selcke: 'lThe Lady is recorded as voting aye.l'

Speaker Blair: î'A1l right, take her off the record.''

Houlihan: HRepresentatfve Clabaugh.''

Speaker Blair: nMr. Von Boeckman. How is Mr. Von Boeckman

recorded, Mr. Clerk?f'

Clerk Selcke: nThe Gentlexan is recorded as being abseat.'' -

- Speaker Blair: î'A11 righty record him as nou Record Mr.

Keller as present. Let's see wbere are we, Mr. '

Houlihan? Are we in a holding pattern right now or?''

Houlihan: ''Mr. crfesheimer.''

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Griesheimer is here-''

Houlihan: HMr. Rose.ll

Speaker Blair: HMr. Rose? He's here.''

Houlihan: ''Mr. Anderson.n

Speaker Blair: nHow is the Gentleman recorded? How fs Lbe

Centleman recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: HThe Centleman is recorded as votfng ayez'

Speaker Blair: f'Al1 right. A11 rfghty take him off the record.

Mr. Pappas? He's back there.n

Houlihan: HNO...Mr. Speaker.''

Speaker Blair: HYeah.''

Houlihan: MNo further questions.''

Speaker Blair: î'Mr. Jentson. How is the Gentleman recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: 'Q he centleman is recorded as being absent-n

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Jenison: ''Record me as vottng aye.'r

speaker Blair: ''Record the .Gentleman as aye. Mr. Redmond.''

Redmond: ''May I be recorded as voting no7''

speaker Blair: ''Record...f'

Redmond: ''I sprained my ankle to get over here to vote no

on this awful thing.l'

speaker Blafr: ''Redmond says no. A11 righty now, Mr. Simns?t'

Simms: ''Mr. Speaker, I wonder if it migbt be possible if the

shades over there could be drawn so we could spot

the Democrats?l'

Speaker Blair: ''A11 right.l'

Simns: l'Thank you.''

Speaker Blair: HWait a minute, 1:11 turn up the lights. A11

right, Mr. Clerk, proceed to verify the negatives

slowly.''

Clerk Selcke: ''Alsup, Barnes, Barry, Beaupre, Berman, Boyle, ,

- Bradleyy Brandt, Brinkmeier, Brummet, Caldwell, Calvo,

Capparelli, Choate, Craig, D'Arco, Davis, Deuster,

Dfprima, R. L. Dunny Ewell, Farley, Fary, Fennessey,

Fleck, Flfnn, Garmisay Getty, Giorgiy Grieman, Hill,

Gene Hoffmany D. Houlihanz Houlihan, Hyde, Jaffe,

Emil Jones, Katz: Kennedy, Kosinski, Kozubowski,

Krause, Lechowicz, Lemke, Leon, Londrigan, Lundy,

Mqdigan, Martin, Matijevich, McAvoy. Mcclain, Mccourt,

Mccah, McGrew, McLendon, Mcpartlin, Merlo: Molloy,

Mugalian, Nardulli, Patrick, Pierce, Polky Redmond,

Sangmeister, Schlickman, Schneider, Schraeder, Sharp,

Shea, Ike Simmsy Stedeliny Stone, Taylor: Terzich,

Tipsword, Von Boeckman, Richard Walsh, Washington,

Wolf, Yourell.''

Speaker Blair: ''A1l right, now the questions of the negative.'f

Simms: ''Representative Barnes.''

Speaker Blair: ''Barnes? Well, the Gentleman has voted.''

Clerk Selcke: ''Gentleman is recorded as voting aye.''

Speaker Blair: ''uait a minute. He's down here talking to you .

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He's here.''

simms: ''Representative J. J. Wolf.î' .

speaker Blair: ''How is the Gentleman recorded?''. 1

clerk Selcke: ''Aye.H

speaker Blair: ''Take him offl''

.clerk Selcke: l'ïheré he is. There he is.''

s ker Blaf/: ''Okay.l'pea11 ' 'rSimms: Representative Yourell.

Speaker Blair: ''How is tbe Gentleman recorded?''

clerk Selcke: ''Gentleman is recorded as voting no.''

Speaker Blair: DTake him off.ll

simms: ''kepresentative Taylor.''

Speaker Blair: '1How is the Gentleman recorded?'l

Clerk Selcke: f'The Gentleman is recorded as voting no.''

speaker Blair: ''Take him off.''

simms: ''Representative Ike Simms.''

s p eake r B l.a i. r : ''H e î s b a ck 't h e r e . ''

11 ï, -Simms: Representative Sharp. .

Speaker Blair: ''How is the Gentleman recorded?'' -

Clerk Selcke: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting no.''

Speaker Blair: OOkay, he's here.''

Simms: ''Representative Schneider.''

Speaker Blair: ''He's here.î'

Simms: ''Representative Patrick-n

speaker Blair: ''He's back there. Mr. Choate.''

' choate: ''Mr. Speaker, please change my vote from no to aye.''

speaker Blair: ''From no to aye. A11 right, record the Gentle-

man as aye. Mr. Shea.'l

Shea). ''Mr. Speaker, will you change my vote from no to aye?''

. Speaker Blair: ''A1l rigbt, make the vote aye. Mr. Tipsword.

.. Mr. Tipsword. Mr. Tipsword.f''

Ti sword: ''M S ker lease change my vote from no to aye.''p r. pea , p

Speaker Blair: HWait a minute. A11 right. Mr. Skinner.'l

Skinner: ''Mr. speaker, I was going to ask for a new Roll Call

i but I really think the record should show who switcbed(;'J'! .0-.y =;r CL w Wz r.t

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s eaker Blair; ''AIL right, wetll...we have...Mr. ChoateP

has gone 1'1'.om no to aye. Mr. Shea -has gone from

no to aye. Mr. Hill goes from no to aye. Mr.

' Matijevicb goes from no to aye. Miss Martin goes

from no :(> aye. Mr. Brandt goes from no to aye.

Mr Lemke zoes from no to aye...H

1 k Selcke: ''No. I Can't hear, Mr. Speaker..k''c er

speaker Blair: I'WJILD' Wait. Al1 right, wait a minute.

Mr MoLondon. Mr. McLendon goes from no to ayez

Mr . o a v t s g o e s f r om n o t o a y e . Mr . H a r o l d Wa s h i n g t o n

o e s f r om I I o L O a y e . M r . P a t r i c k g o e s f r o m n o t o a y e .g

Mr . D I.P r ..ëlll 21 B0 e s f r om no t o aye . Mr . s imms go e s f r om

no to aye . Mr . Caldwell . . eokay . Mr . Nardulli . . .

did you ger Mr. Caldwell?''

clerk Selcke: ''Yes. Caldwell?''

speaker Blair: ''calqdwell. Mr. Nardulli goes from no to aye.

' Mr pnv:ov. Mr. Farlev zoes from no to ave. Mr. ' .

11 ee'J h o Tap s o n . . . '

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s eake r B la :L r : f' H o w i s Mr . Thomp s on r e c ord e d ? ''p

clerk S elcke : 'Jl'he Ce n t leman f s recorded as b eing ab sen t . ''

S p ea ke r B la i r : '' R e ï.! 0 r d Mr . Th omp s on a s aye . Mr . L e on . Mr .

Iaeon goes f rom no to aye . Mr . sangmeis t er doesn ' t

wan t . . . you don ' t wan t t o change do you ? Wa i t a. e

minute. N('%> Wait a minute: this one really hurts.

Mr. sangmtnlxster goes from no to aye. Mr. Getty goes

15 zl J? (, . ''rom no t(?

Clerk Selcke: Huh.tt.h one?''

Speaker Blair: l'Mr. Mr. Getty. I have Mr. Sangmeister from

no to aye. And Mr. Getty from no to aye. And Mr.

x Pierces ytul explain your vote? Mr. Pierce from no

to aye.''

Clerk Selcke: ''Wl1(O s Lhat?''

ë Speaker Blair: 1'Hr. Krause. Mr. Pierce went from no to aye.

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Mr. Sharp. Mr. Sharp went from no to aye. Mr. Calvo

goes from no to aye. Calvo. Calvo. Mr..Garmisay

oes f rom no to aye . '' i

cl erk S elcke : ''Flr . Who ? ''

speaker Blair: ''Mr. carmisa. Mr. Alsup goes from no to aye.

Mr. Murphy. What purpose does Nr. Murphy... Mr.

Murphy-''

Murphy: ''Mr. Speaker, I'm...tunintelligiblel...speaker: I

don't want the...tunintelligiblel...checking me

againy I want to change my vote from aye to present.''

Speaker Blair: HRigbt. Well as soon as we get the aye votes

over here welll come over to that side...Mr. Mcpartlin

goes from no to aye. And Mr. Beaupre goes from no

to aye. Mr. Krause...l'm sorry, Beaupre goes from

no to present? okay. Mr. Brummet goes from no to

aye. Mr. Bradley goes from no to aye. Mr. Krause ' -.

- goes from no to aye. Mr. D'Arco goes from...''

Clerk Selcke: HWho's the last one?n '

Speaker Blair: f'Mr. Krause no to aye. Mr. D'Arco goes from

no to aye. A11 right, Mr. Emil Jones goes from no

: to present. Mr. Terzich...yeah, Emil Jones. Mr.

Terzich goes from no to aye. Mr. Taylor goes from

no to aye.''

Clerk Selcae: l'Who's the last one?t'

Speaker Blair: ''Taylor. Mr. Fary goes from no...M

Clerk Selcke) HWait a minute, Taylor was taken off of .the

verification, he wasn't put back on.''

Speaker Blair: HAII right, well record Mr. Taylor as aye.

Mr. Jim Holloway, aye. Mr. Madigan.'l

Clerk Selcke: 'fWho's that?'f

Speaker Blatr/ nMr. Mike Madigan goes from no to aye. Mr.

Dan Houlihan goes from no to aye. Mr. Berman. Mr.

Berman goes from no to aye.''

Clerk Selcke: t'uho's the last one?l'

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speaker Blair: DBerman. Mr. Lechowicz from no to aye.

Mr. Lundy. Wha't do you want to doy Mr. Lundy?

Mr. Lundy votes aye. Mr. Brinkmeier. Mr.' Brinkneler.'

Brinkmeier: ''Mr. Speaker. I'd like to be recorded as voting

ent ''pres . .

Speaker Blaira ''I'm sorry, what did you say? I cangt hear.''

0h, Mr. Brinkmeier votes present.''

Brinkmeier: DRight, present.f'

Speaker Blair: ''okay. I couldn't hear you. Mr. Jacobs.l'

Jacobs: ''Mr. Speaker, when youfre confused and not informed

of the strategy on this side of the alsle, I want to

change my present vote to no.''

Speaker Blafr: HA1l right, Mr. Jacobs goes from present to

no. A11 right, now is, have we recognized everyone

over on tbis side with respect to thefr votes? Mr.

Scbraeder?'' ' -'

- Schraeder: nMr. Speaker, make sure I stay on no. It seems

like there's a change of heart over here but I haven't

changed my mind.''

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Schraeder is no, right, Mr. Clerk? Mr.

Schraeder is no.. Mr. Neff. Turn Mr. Neff on.''

Neff: uI'd like to change my aye vote to present.''

Speaker Blair: HMr. Neff goes from aye to present. Mr. J. J.

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Wolf: HI just want to know how Representative Houliban wa.s

recorded? Jim.f'

speaker Blair: ''How is Mr. Houlfhan...are you verifyfng?î'

Wolf: HNo, I Just wondered if he had cbanged his vote, too.l'

Speaker Blair: ''Nait a minute. Mr. Jim Houliban.''

clerk Selcke: llThe Gentleman is recorded as voting no.''

speaker Blair: ''No.î'

Houlihan: ''I'm staying at no, J.f'

Speaker Blatr: HAl1 right. Now, Mr. Tim Simms.''

Simms: ''I wonder, Mr. Speaker, if the Clerk could tell us

where we stand now on the Roll Ca11?t'

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speaker Blair: DAII right. I know that this will take a

lfttle time so let's just be at èase. A11 righty

there are a l09 ayes, now; 41 naysi- and 8 present.

Mr. simms.''

simms: ''Just one more on the verification, how is Mr.. '

Londr 1 gan r ecorde d'? f'

speaker Blair: nWel1, what are you verifying, the affirmative

or the' nega t ive ? ''

S fmms : ''I1e11 , i t ' s kind of hard to t e 11 whi cb s ide we ' r e on .

I h av e n o f u r t h e r q u e s t i o n s o f t h e Ro 11 C a l 1 , Mr .

S p ea k e r . f'

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Clerk Selcke : l'The Gentleman i s recorded as vot ing no . ''

Speaker Blair : î'Al 1 r igh.t . Mr . Londrigan . 19

Londrigan: ''0n a point of personal privilege. Thanks: Simmsy

for giving me the opportunity. Everybody over there

kuows this whole tbing i's a farce and ridiculous.

But what you're today and what the other Amendments .

j , '-'you re adding on here, there s no way that this Bill

is going to pass and yet you sit over there piously

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saying 'bow is Houlihan and how is Londrigan recorded'.

Now if you were really...well, I won't say it that

way. 1:11 just say, that were sincerely want to pass

the B111 over here and I'm continuing to vote no be-

cause anybody with an ounce of sense knows that this

Bi11 in the manner we're proceeding now can't pos-

sibly pass. And if you are really for some tax re-

lief you'll vote no and keep the Bill in some form

where 'tt has an opportunity.lî

Speaker Blair: HMr. Schislervî'

Schisler: HMr. Speaker, how am I recorded?': '

Speaker Blair: ''How is the Gentleman recorded?''

t u a yesug absent.''Clerk Selcke: The Gentleman is recorde as'

S hisler: HPlease vote me noe''( C21! Speaker Blair: ''A11 right, he wants to vote no. And Mrs.' j'i'8y .t:aAr . - u.#' .,' -.J . -.8 .' G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y.. . z .. ; , j?

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Martin wants to go to no. And Mrs. Cha'pman votes

no. A11 rigbt. 0n this question tbere are 109

ayes...108 ayes; 44 nays; 8 present. And Amendment

II2 to House Bill 2272 is adopted. Mr. Simms.''

simms: ''Mr. Speaker, having voted on the prevailing sfde:

I move Lo reconsider the vote.l'

Speaker Blair: HMr. Collins.''

Collins: ''Mr. Speaker, I Rove that motion 1ie upon the table.'l

Speaker Blair: NA1l those in favor of the motion to table

say aye; opposed, no. The ayes have it and the

motion to table prevails. A11 rfght.''

Clerk Selcke: HComtittee Reports. Mr. McMasters from Counties

and Townships to which House Bill 515 was referred,

returned the same and was ordered tabled. Mr. Jones:

Vice Chairman on Committee of Higher Education to

which Senate Bills 1289 and 1402 were referred, repor- .

ted the same backy with recommendation Bflls be passed'

Speaker Blair: Mèlr. Choate. Walsh. Mr. Choate. Oh. ' '

Mr. William Walsh.u

Walsh: OMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey

the Leadership has been in conference and would like

to recess tbe House for lunch until 1 o'clock. And,

Representative Choate I understand, is going to

announce that when we return at 1 o'clock there will

be a Democratic Conference for a period of 30 minutes,

u is that righty Clyde?''

Choate: 'Qes, I'd like to advise the Democratic Members in

regards to the Majority Leader's statement that as

soon as you finish lunch, I would appreciate your bein

in attendance at 1 o'clock sharpy or as near as pos-

sible, for the purpose of a Democratfc Conference.

And I might also advise the Membership that if I re-

call correctly, it's the Speaker's intention to return

to the same order of business that we're now departing

from, for lunch.''

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Speaker Blair: ''We1l, we...now that we're there we certainly

don't want to leave. Mr. Choate'; you can have either

choate: HWe11, because the Members, some of them just asked

. me, we will convene back on tbe floor and then go

to the caucus.''

speaker Blair: ''Al1 righty you want 212 or M-5?H

Choate: '9212.''

Speaker Blair: ''A1l righty 212.:t

Wzlsh: ''Now, Mr. Speaker, it is not our fntention to hav'e a

Republican Coaference and so the Republican Members

can have a little longer lunch and return by 1:30.9'

Speaker Blair: ''Right. We will, we will start tbe House back

up at 1, but tben wefll recess for the purpose of

a Democrat Conference in Roon 212. A11 right, a11

those in favor of the Gentleman's motion say aye;

ogposed, no. A1l right. We'll be in recess now until

1 o'clock; at the practical matter for the Members'on .

the Republican side until 1130.11 -

RECESS

Speaker Blairi HThe House will be back in Session and the

Cbair recognizes the Gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate.'

Choate: ''Those few of you who are here, those of you who are

listening your offices: the Democrats witl now confer-

ence in Room 212, I believe it was.''

Speaker Blair: HRight 212.11#

Choate: ''So, if you will come over as soon as possible welll

get with it.''

Speaker Blair: HAII right and as soon as the Democrats return

f rom their conf erence , hopef ully f n a half hour , we ' 11

b e b a c k i n S e s s i o n o n t h e f l o o r . S o t h e H o u s e < i 1 l

b e in r e c e s s n ow un t i 1 a q u a r t e r o f o n e . . . a q u a r t e r

Of two . A1l tbose in f avor say aye ; opposed y no .

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The ayes have it. Welre in recess.''

RECESS

speaker Blair: ''A1l right, the House will be fn order.''

Clerk Selcke) ''Message from the Senate by Mr. Fernandes,

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am dfrected to inform the

House of Representatives the Senate has passed Bills

of the following title, the passpge of which IIm

instructed to ask concurrence of t1e House. Senate

Bill 1452, 1492, 1540, 1670, 1674. Pasàed Senate,

June 24th 1974. Edward E. Fernandes. Secretary.''

Speaker Blair: ''AII right, when we recessed the...we had

' completed the announcement of the vote on Amendment

//2. Now, Mr. Clerkz are there further Amendments?î'

Clerk Selcke: ''Amendment //3. Stiehl. Amend House Bill 2272.' -.

- page 1 by deletipg line.3 and so forth.'l

Stiehl: ''Mr. Speaker,' I ask pernission to table this Amend-

12 C t'l E e î î

Speaker B'lair: ''AII right, the Lady offers to move the adop-

tion and then moves to table. Does she have leave

to table? Hearing no objection //3, then, will be

tabled. Further Anendments?f'

Clerk Selcke: HAmendment //4. Kenny Mfller. Amend House

Bi1l...H

spàaker Blair: ''The Gentleman from Whiteside, Mr. Miller.îf

Miller: ''I move that Amendment II* be adopted and then tabled.''

Speaker Blair: nA1l rfght, tbe Gentleman offers to move the

adoption and then moves to table. Does he have leave

to table Amendment //4? No objections //4 is tabled.

Now, furtber...n

clerk Selcke: ''Amendment //5. Kenny Mfller. Amend Bouse Bill

2 2 7 2 . . . . 1 '

Miller: HIs this Bi11...Is this Bill...arrived from the prin-

ter's yet: Mr. speaker?''

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speaker Blafrl ''Mr. Clerk, where is Amendment f/s..oprinted?

It's n0t back yet. A11 right, the House will be at '

4 *ease until the Amendment s back from the printers.

Mr. Cunningham.''

cunningbam: '':1/. speaker, could I ask at this time for leave

to be added as an aye vote on 1375, the Downstate

Teacher's Retirement Fund Bill? It will not change

the results of the Bill. I spoke to the Sponsorp

Representative Brummet, he was very happy to have me

.. .1 was inadvertently called away from my switch

at that time.''

speaker Blair: ''Wel1, thetclerk advises that that was a veri-

fied Roll Call and that's the problem.lf

. Cunningham: ''I understand that's a problem but I thought...

through the unanimous consent it could be done, a11

things were possible. I'm trying to make peace vzith .

the clerk.''

speaker Blair: ''ue...we'11 take a look at ft, at the situa- - -

jj 'tion.

Cunningham: HThank you, Mr. Speaker.î'

Speaker Blair: HMessage from the Senate.n '

Clerk Selcke: nMessage from the Senate by Mr. Fernandesy

Secretary . Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the

Hause of Representative tbe Senate has Passed Bills

' of the following, the passage of which I am instructed

to ask concurrence of the House; Senate Bi11 1326,

1528, 1529, 1565, 1642. Passed the Senate June 24th

1974. Edward E. Fernandes, Secretary.''

Speaker Blair: ''AII right: on Mr. Cunningham's questfon

Rule 50 does provide that no Member may change his

vote as recorded after a Roll Call has been verified

and the results declared. Now, of course, under the

provfsions of Rule 73, you can suspend that Rule wfth

89 affirmative votes. 0r, as we have done, get leave

to suspend and then tf there's objection, then a

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Roll Call may not.''

cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker, I would humbly. ask for leave at

this time to suspend the Rule.''

Speaker Blafr: ''AII right, is tbere objects...Mr. Nilliams.''

Williams: ''Thank youy Mr. Speakery 1...1 would like to join

Representative Cunningham in that request if my name

be also added on that. I was on my way over and the

door was, you know, locked up and by the time I got

back around it was too late. So I1d like to be also

in that motion made by Representative Cunninghal.''

Speaker Blair: HAII righty Mr. Juckett.n

Juckett: HWelly Mr. Speaker: I was trying to make an objec-

tion but because the distinguished Member, Represen-

t at ive Wllliams y is now wan ting to add h i s name ,

lease remove my object fon . ''P

Speaker Blair : '' I d idn ' t know you made an obj ec t ion . You

maan the objection you were about to make you want

to remove? Okay. Mr. Borchers.n

Borchers: 'Qlr. Speaker, fellow Members of the House, 1 was-...

just a few moments ago, Mr...Representative Cunntng-

ham told me he might lose if he didn't get on this

Bill and this House cannot afford to lose Mr. Cunning-

ham. Let's support and...the fund fs too much, so

let's support him.îl

Speaker Blair: HMr. Kelly.l'

Kelly: ''I would like to be added to that alsoy Mr. Speakery

please. On the Downstate Teacher's Pension Bi11.H

Speaker Blair: ''All right, is there objection to...Mr.

McMaster. Turn Mr. McMaster ony please.''

McMaster: HMr. Speaker, I would also lfke to be added.î'

Speaker Blair: HAl1 right: now, Mr. Mcèlaster and Mr. Wolf.''

Wolf: ''I would just like to point out, Mr. Speaker, I have

no objections but they'll have Lo suspend: I think

several rules. Rule 50-C says 'no Member may cbange

his vote as recorded after the Roll has been verified'

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r; which it wasy so I phink that Rufe also is gofng to( ' '' have to be suspended.''

Speaker Blair: ''Yes, the Chair referred to that when Mr.

Cunningham made his request. And I told him pur- '

suant to Rule 93, he would have to move to suspend

the .provisions of Rule 50 and that would take 89

votesy affirmative votes unless he got leave of

the House and...D

Wolf: HMr. Speaker, does .Rule 51-D also apply? That may

have to be suspended, Irm not sure of the interpre-

tation of 5l-B.''

Speaker Blair: HNO, I don't think 51 would apply. Now, there,

Mr. Nilliams and Mr. Cunningham have leave, then: to

be added as aye, and McMaster as aye, on House Bi11

. . .Mr. Kelly? Mr. Kelly wants to be on that Roll .

Call as aye. Mr. Mugalian. Mr. Kozubowski. Ms. *'

. Martin. Mr. Ralph Dunn. Okay. Mr'. Mugalian. Mr.

Schneider. Mr. Diprïma. Okay, what do you want tp

vote on? Mr. Yourell.''

Yourell: ''As long as we%re sitting around bere doing nothing,

I'd like to vote on a 10Z increase in the salary of

O retary.'' 'ur sec

Speaker Blair: HAl1 rtght.''

Yourell: ' ''Can we do that? You. a11 listenfng, girls? Terry .

baby talking.''

Speaker Blair: 'Qhat...that matter is being taken care of.

Mr. Hill is handling its there, you can turn around

and talk to hin uhen he gets in his seat. Mr.

Borchers.''

Borchers: Hèfr. Speaker, fellow Members of the House, sfnce

' we have a moment and nothing to do, 1'11 tell you

that the Arts counctl put on a street show in Decatur)E Just about a week aeo, I have tbe Pictures in the car.t %'' .

'' The audience was about a 150. The show had to do with'

workers and emphasized communism. And I felt that

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it was a good idea to let you know where your .

money is goipg if you voted this' million bucks

for it. And 1, for one, like otheês voted agafnst

it. But I have the story kf anybody's interested,

and the pictures. And if it's anything's a .

waste of time and the state's money, that was.''

Speaker Blair: HMr. Mann.n '

Mann: HWell, Mr. Speakery did...did the Gentlelan take a

tape? 1...1 think we would a11 be interested indeed

if we beard a state financed agency is sponsoring

communismy.l'd be the first one to get on my feet

and criticize it.''

Speaker Blair: HMr. Borchers.ll

Borchers: HWe11, if I'd known what was gofng on, Ifd have

had a tape there but unfortunately I didn't knew in

advance. Everybody doesn't carry tapes around with .

t: 6 f.h m . ' '

Speaker Blair: '1AII right. A1l righty the Awendment has./. . -

is being...o'r has been distributed now and the Chair

will recognize the Gentleman from Whitesides Mr.

Kenny Miller.'l

Miller: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker and Members of the Housey I#m

proposing Amendment //5 which merely deletes the

provfsions of House Bi11 2272 with respect to exem-

ptions of prescription and nonprescription medicine,

drugs and medical appliances. And I move the adoption

of Amendment //5y Mr. Speaker.l'

Speaker Blair: HAII rfght, is there discussion? Gentleman

from Cooky Mr. Shea.''

Shea: ''I don't see the House Sponsor of the Bi11 here and

I think he might have something to say about it.

I think be's on his way here. He didn't know how

long the prinier was going to take.'l

Speaker Blair: HOrdinarily we'd move on to other business .

but because of the tmportance of this matter we'll

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1 ' r,wait til the Sponsor returns from wherever he is...

shea: ''Hefs bere Mr. speaker.'' '

speaker Blair: ''Oh 1 see. Now, Mr. Sheay'what did you say?;

A1l right, the question is, shall the House adopt' ' Amendment //5 to...Mr. Houllban.''

Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor of the Amendment

i e l d f o r a q u e s t i o n ? ''y

speaker Blair: ''Indicates he will.r'

Houlihan; ''Mr. Miller, I'm sorry I missed some of your ex-

planation as I came fn. But am I right in understan-

ding that this takes out any exemption for drugs,

prescription drpgs or otber medicines, other medical

supplies that is currently in the Bill in its original

form?''

Speaker Blaiz: HMr. Mlller.f'

Miller: l'That is correct.'' .

Houlihan: ''In effectv wbat this does is totally change the

Bill in the intention of the B111, fs that correct?''- .

Mtller: ''I think you could say that. But you stated origi-

nally exactly what the Amendment did.''

Houlihan: nThank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House. I rise in opposition to this Anendment.

I tbink tbat the Amendment is dilatory and I think

that it's intent is really to gut the Bill. And to

take the Bi11 and put it in an entirely different

form on Second Readlng. And I would ask the Members

Speaker Blair: ''Is there any further discussion? Gentleman

from cook, Mr. Lundy.''

Lundy: 'fThank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I oppose the Amendment of the Gentleman be-

cause I think ft's enormously important especiatly

to our senior cftizen taxpayers that the drugs and

medicines wbich they buy not be subject to the sales

tax. So, we have passed out of this House twice

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duripg this General Assembly? Bills which 'repeal

the sales tax on nedicine. The 'Bi11s passed over-

whelmingly. I thtnk they passed because the Members. 1

recognfzed that especfally for senior citizens tzhose

'medical expen'ses'are already enormously bigh in re-'

ylation to their limited incomes it s very important

that the sales tax on Dedicines and medlcal supplies

be repealed and that's the original intent .of the

Bi1l. Some additional Amendments have been added

which would lower the sales taœ on food but I d'on't

think that changes the essential ioportance of're-

pealing the sales tax on medicines and medical sup-

plies especially for our elderly citizens. And I

would urge a no vote on the Amendment.l'

Speaker Blair; HMr. Skinner.''

Skinner: NMr. Speaker, it would seem to me that Members of

t'ae Revenue Committee, especfallyy should realize

the difference between the service occupation tax ' -

and the retail occupatfon tax. The service occupa--

tion tax for...on pharmaceuticals is paid on the

wholesale price of drugs by the pharmacists and it

does not show up as tbe 5Z added on...at the cash

register. As a matter of fact one Representative

told me he got a letter from one of his constituents

praising h1m for taking off the tax on drugs already

because he went to his local pharmacy and he dfdn't

have the 5Z added on. So thfs means that this is

i i ible tax relief. Now further I would su'ggestnV S , ,

that it is perhaps not even meaningful tax relief

because there is ao provision in this Bi11 tbat the

pharmacist pass on the relief to the...to the senior

citfzens or whoever else is buying the pharmaceuticals

The original Bill vas a fraud fn its entirety and de-

serves to be completely taken from the Bill now that

We have put on a good Amendment. l4e need tax relief

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for people not tax relief for pbarmacists. And

. if th is Amendwen t is not ad op t ed tha't i s exac t ly

hat we w111 have .''' 'w

Speaker Blalr; DMr. Sehlickman.'' '

Schlfckaan) HMr. Speaker and Members of the House, back ïn '

1970 there was a Constitutional Convention. And

the'delegates to that Convention discussed the mat-

ter of equitable taxation tax reform. 'And what tbe

delegates recomnended and what the people of the

state approved was a Revenue Article that allowed

for the classification of items when tt caoe to

taxation. And what they specifically had in mind

and what they conveyed to the voters within the

state was the ability of this Ceneral Assemblyy uader

the new Conatitution, classify and more specifically,

to eliminate the sales tax on drugs and medicines

and food. Now with regards to ffscal responsibilityy

it seems to mey that tbis matter of classifying pr.o-

viding tax reform and tax relief has got to be done

on an evolutionary basis. To take first things first.

Nowy with regards to the tax on drugs and medicines:

wefre talkfng about prescriptlon drugs and medicines,

webre talking about nonprescription drugs and medi-

clnesp we're talking about medical supplies. Now

it's true that there is the servtce use tax concernin

prescription drugs but 1 thfnk it would be unconstt-

tutional if we didn't include them. I think what

werve got to focus on is the fact that by this Bill

as it was originally introduced the tax would be

eliminated from nonprescription drugs and medicines

and suppltes. And I point out to you that for the

' poor fn thïs state they prescrfbe thefr olzn medicfne

and they pay a tax on it. It seems to me that would

be a responsible, it would be a breach of faith with

the people of the state if we were to eliminate the

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prôvtsion for the eliminatton of the sales tax,

use tax on drugs and medicines. And I would join '

with those who have spoken against Amendment 5.f'

Speaker Blafrz HAny furtber dlscussion? Nr. Roslnskl.''

Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Gentlemen of the .Housey

I merely wish to point out that in the last Session

we passed a Revenue Bill wherebv drugqists and other

supplfers of merchandise on this basisz to the con-

sumer, will get a tax credit at the end of eacb

month for monies they have paid their suppliers on

retail occupation tax. So if this Amendment passes

I think wedll have to do something about that and

make a cbange in tbe Revenue Act insofar as druggists

are concerned.''

' Speaker Blair: HMr. Miller to close.'l

Miller: HWell, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemenz I listened

wfth interest to this debate on Amendment //5. Let ' -

- me say first that I had no intention, and I do not

like to be accused of placing...offering thls Amend-

ment for the purpose of being dilatory, that's not

my intention. But I can't sit here on this floor

and say that we s'aould have what I call essentially

tax relief for druggists. Now I recognize that under

House Bill 1270 for 2272 as it's fileds that there is

a little tax relief in their for those people who

buy drugs ever the counter, not the prescrlptïon

drugs. But I think every Member on this floor over

the years that Igve been down here, and it's been

ten years, has been talking how regressive the state

sales tax is. Now, more than...of the poor people

in this State of Illinois, Ifm informed that more

. than half of their dollars that they have to spend

are spent on food. So, if wefre going to talk about

meaningful tax relief for the poor people of tbis

state, how better can we do it than reduce tbe sales

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tax on food? Now, in order to accomplish that

result, the answer is, that Itm convinced that

$70,000,000 which is what this would cost as this

Bill now stands, that we better reduce that cost

'to the state. And the way to do it is to reduce

approximately $20,000,000 from che spggested exem-

ption of prescription and nonprescription drugs

and leave it stand on...to reduce the sales tax on

food. That's the way to get results. That's the

way to help the poor people wbo are our people we

are trying to represent. Soy Mr. Speaker, I urge,

I uyge that we take this step and adopt Amendment

# 5 . ' '

Speaker Blair: ''AII right: the question is, shall Amendnent

//5 to House Bill 2272 be adopted? Al1 those in

favor will vote aye and the opposed no. Mr. -

Houlihan.n

Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Centlemen of the Housey '

to explain my vote. It bas been pointed out that

what might be called a question was the tax on pre-

scription drugs. But thatfs only a sma12 portion

of the tax relief related drugs: medical supplies

and other materials. Representative Scblickman, I

think, clearly pointed out the need for making this

consistent and the need for leaving that in. And it

is our inteationy and the intentfon of this legis-

lation, to have that tax passed on. And I believe

that we ought to have this Billy with the form itfs

in, and not have this tax on medicine and drugs and

medical supplies so that people would not get tax'

relfef, for example, if they were going to buy a

wheelchair. If they were going to use regular drugs

such as aspirin or common household remedies for

colds, for things of that sort. And I would urge

that the Members gfve a no vote to thts Amendment

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so we can move on and move this Bill in ;ts present

form so it can be considered on Third Reading.r'

Speaker Blair: NHave al1 voted who wish? ...Push your own

button. It's right. Push them again, yeah.

A11 right, bave a1l voted wbo wish? The Clerk will

take the record. On this question there are 83 nays

. . and 39 yeas and Amendmentx/s fails. Further Amend-

ments? Further Amendments?''

clerk Selcke: ''Amendment //6. Amendment //6. Washburn. Amend

House Bill 2272 page l by deleting line 1 and in-

serting in lieu thereof the following and so forth-''

Speaker Blair: ''All right, we'll wait for the explanation

until weVve got tt on the desks. A11 right: I

. understand the Amendment bas been out now and tbe

chair recognizes Mr. Washburn.''

Washburn: HThank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies of the House, ' ..

- I offer Amendment //6 to House Bill .2272 which does

the following. Amendment II6 amends House Bill 2272

on page 1 by deleting line 1 and inserting fn lieu

thereof the following 1an act to exempt nonprescrip-

tion' and on page l by deletïmg line 13 and inserting

in lieu thereof the followtng 'nonprescription medi-

cines, drugs, medtcal'. And on page 3 by deleting

lfne 6 and inserting in lfeu thereof the following

lthfs state tannible personal property other thanf.

And on page 6 by deleting line 30 and fnsertfng in

lieu thereof the following 'tanglble personal propert

other than'. And on page 10 by deleting line 7 and

fnserting in lieu thereof the following lnonprescrip-

tion medicines, drugs and medicalê. Now, to me# Mr.

Speaker and Ladfes and Gentlemen of the House, Amend-

ment //6 to House Bill 2272 makes more sense than any

of those offered previously. It takes the.n in

capital form it takes the tax off of nonprescription

medicines, drugs, whfch is of coursey a direct

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consumer because that's of the fact...is an addi-

tional charge on these items. Now the ta'x will re-

main on prescription drugs only an; won't be passed

on to the consumer because it's included in the

. ' prices of drugs, I understand, and if we would take '

the tax off of prescription drugs, tbe druggists

probably wouldnît lower tbe prices of drugs that

much or at all. So, this //6s.Amendment //6, removes

the tax from nonprescription medicfnes which will

be a direct benefit to the consumer and they remain

on the prescription drugs only which of course

wouldn't be a benefit to the consumer if they were

removed from tbat. So I move for the adoption of

Amendment //6 to House Bill 2272.'f

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Williau Walsh.''

Walsh: r'We1l, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Eouse, I certainly urge that you support this Amend-

ment. We have three drpggists in the Rouse and I've

heard a11 three of themy I suppose different timer,

but a11 three of them say that sales tax relief on

prescription is a phony. You simply do not get it

because it's not the retail sales it's the service

occupation tax that wefre dealing. And the service

occupation tax is tax . at the wholesale price...

and it simplyy as they have pofnted out so eloquently

is stmply not passed on to the eonsumer. So there

is simply no benefit to thought to having tax relief

for the prescription drugs because the only ones

that that relieves are the druggists. Now I submit

that we ought really follow the dfctates of the

people that know best this subject: the druggists

in the House, and vote to save the state some money.

I think the amount is something in the neighborhood

of seven to ten million dollars. Vote to save tbe

state this so that we can give...meaningful sales

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tax relief on food the...in the Amendment that

Representative Skinner sponsored this moxnipg. So

I ask you to please support Representative Washburn's

Amendaent and disregard thopghts of party strife and

partisanship and go with Representative Washburn on

this Amendment and vote yes.ll

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Schlickman.n

Schlfckman: nMr. Speaker and Members of the House, on the

surface this sounds like a merftorious, commendable

Amendment. But I am concerned about the Constitution

that part of the Revenue Article that allows tbe Leg-

lslature to engage fn reasonable, reasonable classi-%. / ffcation. Now there's two kinds of classifications

that I see here. One is tbe matter of drugs and med-

icines being a class. And the other are these taxes

that we referred to as the retailer's occupational - .

- . taxa the use tax, and so on. This will be tbe first

time to my knowledge that this Housi has attempted to '

. further classify or detafl. And I would suggest

that whfle the Amendment appears on éhe surface to

be neritorious that it may, it may very well raise

a constitutfonal Issue causfng the whole B111 or

law, to be struck down at a later time. Seems to

T..e that the amount of money that's involved as to

the retailer's occupatfonal tax ïs relatfvely fnsig-

nificant and that no harm would be done public policy

wise. And therefore to insure the constitutionality

of the Bi11, I would speak against thls Amendment

and respectfully solicit the House's opposition and

defeat of it.''

Speaker Blair: HAny further discussion? Mr. Maragos.d'

Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker, I'm sorry I was a little latey didn't

get the full imports but this Amendment still has

some defects in it even thopgh it's an attempt to

cure the...bring up the qMestfons that were brought

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up at the Revenue Committee. I still can't under-

stand why everybody feels tbat the drpggists cannot

be properly supervised as ordered by the'Department

1of Revenue in this area to se'e that even In the pre-

. scription drugs they can pass on these savings that

they get as a result of the SROT. Now, and as also

as 1as brought up by Representatfve Schlickman,

tbere is a danger to tbe constftdtionality because

that does not meet the uniformfty requirements under

the new Constitution of 1970. So therefore I would

say to you, tread very, very warily in tbls area.

And right now I would say I would be against this

Amendment until we...would able to be-- study it

more closely and see if there's any other way we

could bring about the same solutïon.'l

Speaker Blair: HAny further discussion? Nr. Houlihan.''

Houlihan: HMr. Speakery'l think for the reasons raised by

Representative Maragos and Represenoative Schlfck-

man and the fact that I think we must deal with tbe

druggists not as if they are going to try to circum-

veat the 1aw and the intention of the 1aw but are

i to try to cooperate with this; and further-go ng

more that th/re is a great deal of competition,

there is now a movement aboard by consumers to re-

quire listing of drpgs and the cost and I thfnk with

those things in mind we would be able to have this

passed on. And I would' therefore ask for a no vote

on this Amendment, Amendment #6.M

speaker Blair: MMr. Telcser.''

lelcser: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, with respect

to Amendment //6 to House Bil1 2272, the prior speaker

' brought up some points which they feel are relative

to the Amendment but in my judgment none of them

really get to the heart of what we#re talking about

with respect to Amendment //6. Now the Sponsor is

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figbting valiantly to keep his the way he would

like to have it ultimately passdd. I respect the

Sponsor's fight and his courageous'efforts to keep1

the Bill the way it should be but as I have learned

' ' after some years experience of handltng Bills for '

tlae Executive branch of government there are times

when the issue itself transcends partisan politics

and the politics of the second floor versus the

needs of the people. And this is indeed one of those

times. I think the Sponsor of this Bill ougbt to

be fn favor of thfs Amendment because the substance

ïs eminently fair. For those who wish to discuss

* the constitutional questions which may or may not

arise with respect to that Amendment, I'd only re-

flect back upon the many debates and Bills wefve

seen before this Legislature and know that those

issues remain for the court. And I understand there

are 59 lawyers fn this Body, I'm sure that ff each . .

of the 59 lawyers would give their opinion about

what'the courts would or would not do witb respect

to this matter and other matterss we'd have perhaps

a 159 honest opinions. So I don't think that is

a point at all. And of course the spectre...the

spectre which another prfor speaker raises is one

which I think a11 of us should be frightened of.

If this Amendment fails: I tbink a prior speaker has

suggested that state government would then try to

regulate prices and see if the practicing pharmacists

will gfve tax relief by reducing thetr prices to the

consumer. I assume that means 500 investigators or

Revenue Department agents who wfll stand on the

shoulder of every retailer to see if or if not he

is passing on, quote, sales tax relief unquote, to

the consumer. I wonder the prior speaker would ac-

' cept their Amendments to provide for price investi-

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gation of attorneys to see how much tbey charge

their clients for their variety of lenal work. I

' think perhaps if this Amendwent is adopted the

Sponsor will hold the Bill on Second Reading so I

could prepare an Amendment to have tax relief for

the consume.r with respect to the lègal fees which

are.being charged to consumers. That fs a frighten-

ing aspect of this legislation and the mere thought

that someone on the other side of the aisle is trying

to concoct a scheme whereby tke Revenue Department

will investtgate the retail activities in this state

is fn itself reason to vote for adoption of this

Amendment. Thfs Amendment fs a fafr one. Thfs Amendk

ment will take away tax relief from a group of citin..

. zens who are not even seeking that relief. I can

tell eacb and everyone Member of this House that as '

a retail pharmacist and someone who owned and operate -'

- his own pharmacy for 16 years the rœtailer w1l1 not

pass on the few pennies of relief to the consumer.

It's not going to happen. The prior speakers who

said this was relief for tbe practicing pharmacists

only were telling you the trutb. This Amendment

would make this legislation equftable. It would keep

tax relief where it belongs, that is with the consumer

and would make the legislation more fiscally respon-

sible. Amendment ?/2 which was adopted earlier would

cost the state more money. Thfs would take about

$7,000,000 out of the B1l1 and protect the General

Revenue Punds to the tune of that $7.000,000. I sin-

cerely hope that those of you on b0th sides of the

aisle who bave given careful consideration to this

. legfslatfve matter and who strongly belfeve fn the

separation of powery that is that the legislatfve

branch of government ought to make its decision with-

out regard to what the courts >ay or may not do,

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t..' would support this Amendment. I hope a11 of you2

f': will give it careful considerationy diskegard partyq

'(, lines, disregard the brutal pressures whfch are:L

coming frow the second floor to keep thfs Bfll tn!t .

v .: the shape that they want it in and let s make tbfs;k Bill a product of this Legislative Body and let usî .

I exert ou'r tegislative prerogative.''

. Speaker Blair: All right, is there any further dfscussfon?

Mrs. Geo-Karfs.''

t Geo-Karis: ''Mr. speaker and Ladies and centlemen of the.$

i: Housey Day I ask the Sponsor of Amendment //6 a;

t questionr Jim, your-..do I understand at the presenti time that there is no sales tax on prescriptfon drugs?lh' I f 1

v I jWashburn: That s right. It s a service occupatfon tax.!

f1 G e o - K a r i s : '' An d M r . s p e a k e r , I ' d 1 i k e t o s p e a k o n t h e3 Amendment . ''t'i' S p e a k e r B la i r ; f ' P r o c e ed . 1't'L.; Geo-Karis: fîI am a little bit tired

: Mr. Speakery Ladfes andk' (1 e n t 1 e m e n o f t h e 11 o u s e , o f h a v i n g o n e p r o f e s s k o nr:c der ide d f o r ano the r . I am ge t t f ng so sick and t ired

4 of having a field day by some Members in here abouté.';' the profession of law .. .it's getting utterly nauseatin17 f or me . llowever , we have good lawyers and bad lawyers#if../ and we have good druggists and bad druggf sts . And we). %:*('(. h a v e g o o d L e g i s l a t o r s a n d I w o n % t s a y t h e o t h

e r w o r d .l Now

, f t ' s ab ou t t ime that we us e our common s ense .

t We knowy everyone of us> forget our egotism bere, for-

get about whose Amendment it is. For heaven sakes,

; the people are not going to get any relfef as con-

' sumers unless this Amendment is ïn there because it's

I the nonprescrlptive medicines like aspirfn and so'

forth, drugs and aedicals of that nature that need

1 the help for sales tax. Therefore I speak for the

:Amendment in spite of the fact that we have had

un-(ê warranted crftfcism here for the legal professions.!

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We ar e n o t a 11 b ad , b e lieve me , thae'r'e t s a lo t o f

ood lawye r s . ''t .

Speaker Blair: ''AII right: the...the Gentfeman frpm Kanka-

kee Mr. Ryan.''A

Ryan: HWe1ly Mr. Speakery Ladfes and Gentlemen of the House,

Re/resentative Telcser laid tbis Amen'dment out pretty

well. And 1et Oe state my position here so it's

perfectly clear. I should be in favor of Represen-

tative lloulihan's Bill as it was introduced. And it1

absolutely right that would certainly line my pockets

and every other retail pharmacist in the state of

Illinois. But as it stands, the average savings

that's going to be passed on by taking the drpg...tax

off of prescription drugs is a $1.93 per household

pez year. Now if that's meaningful tax reliefs I've

missed my guess. The second pofnt I'd like to make

is that if anybody bas poor people that they repre-

sent in thefr district they certainly should endorse

the Amendment that's presented here by Representative

Washburn. The dollars that are spent for nonprescrip

tion drugs'that are taxed by the first aid supplies,

the aspirins, the nose dropss everybody has to buy

at a drug store. The prescription drugs are paid

for by the people on welfare by the Welfare Depart-

ment, the Department of Public Afd. Their nonpre-

scription drugs are not paid for and so you now have

some tax that's going to...relief that's going to

reacb into the poor communities and do them some

benefit with this Amendment. And I would certainly

encourage your aye vote on Amendment //6.''

Speaker Blafr: 1'All right, any further discussion? Mr.

Williams.''

Wflliams: 'fThank youy Mr. Speaker, I feel I must stand in

echo the comments of my fellow colleagues, Represen-

tatives Telcser and Ryan. I am the other pharmacist

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in the House and I couldn't agree Dore wfth the

statements of' both. of the Gentlehen' Dade..llnd I

would urge the aye vote on this Amendmenè.''

Speaker Blair: ''A11 righty have...is there any further dis-

cussion? A11 right, Mr. Washburn...a questiony Mr.

Dunn?''

Dunn: H...chairman, I apologize that this has been answeredy

but wbat is the fiscal impact of this Xmendment?'l

uashburn: ''Representativey......'.it takes off about seven

or eight million dollars.''

Dunn: ''That's the tax relief, seven or eight million.l'

Washburn: ''Right.''

Dunn: ''ubat was the estiwate on...pardon?n

Washburn: ''In other words, in the original Bi11, I guess,

' it was estimated about twenty mfllion.''

Speaker Blair: ''AII rfghty do you want to close, Mr. Wash-

b t1 Y R S 1 '

. Washburn: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladieé and Gentlemen of

the House, one of the previous speakers referred lo

this Amendment as meritorfous and commendable. And

another speaker referred to it as fair. And anotber

ex'cellent. And I ihfnk that those remarks are apfro-prfate for this outstanding Amendment. It's offered

for tbose of us and surely that includes almost a11

of us,that want to have some vehicle to grant direct

relief to the consumer. Now this is exactly what

Amendment //6 does by taking off the tax on nonpre- .

scription medicine and leaving ft on prescription

medicines that as some of them pointed out, line the

pockets of the druggist. Well. this is the direct

benefit to Consumer Tax Relief Amendment and I would

' certainly hope that you would vote for its adoption.

And I so move.''

Speaker Blair: ''Al1 right, the question is, shall Amendment

//6 to House Bill 2272 be adopted? Al1 tbose in

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favor will vote aye and the opposed no. Have .

Zi1 VOVCd Wh0 Wishl Zr* SCUYYCMWZZX'

' Schlicknan: ''Mr. Speakerp Members of the llbusey the Sponsor

of this Amendment in his closing statement quoted '

one of us as referripg to this Amendment as being

commendatory and meritorious. I think I was the

only one who used those words but he certainly took

them out of context. I said that on the surface,

on the surface this Amendaent appeared to be merit-

orious and commendatory, there was that reservation.

I should like to call to the Members...attention

to the Members of the House that Amendment 7 which

V is coming up subsequently would meet the criticism

that the proponents of this Amendment have and

Would suggest before you commit yourself on this

Amendmenty you look at Amendment //7.''

Speaker Blair: HHave a11 voted who wish? Take the record.

Thfs quesefon, there are 88 ayes. 24 nays, l presént. '

And Amendaent //6 to House Bill 2272 is adopted; Mr.

R a n ' 'X .

Ryan: ''We11y Mr. Speaker, I would like to move that...to

reconsider the vote by which Amendment //6 was adopted H

Speaker Blair: '1...And Mr. William Walsh moves to table

that. A11...in favor say aye; opposed, no. The

ayes have ft and the motion to reconsider is tabled.

Further Amendments?'f

clerk selcke: ''Amendment //7. Skinner. Amend Rouse Bi11

2272 and so forth.''

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Skinner.''

Skinner: nMr. Speaker and Members of the Housey since this

horrible part of thfs Bfll has been exorcfsed, I

would ask that this Amendment be tabled and...

after I have another request.''

Speaker Blair: ''A1l right, the Gentleman offers to wove

the adoption and then moves to table Amendment ??7

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Has leave? No objections, 7 is tabled. Mr.

Skinner, what's your further...''

Skinner: HRequest at'.thfs point fs for a fiscal note.''

Speaker Blair: ''AII righty in accordance with the Rules

the Gentleman is entitled to a fiscal nore. Mr.

Houlihan.n

Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker, Mr. Skinner asked at this point for

a fiscal noter'

Speaker Blatr: HRight.î'

Houlihan: ''And has...has one drafted right now, may I

give that fiscal note to you so that this Bill can

move to Third Reading?''

Speàker Blair: HIfell. the fiscal note that's being requested

is one as the Bi11 now stands and from the Depart-Q . .

meut according to the statutes. Now, we have a

choice, we can stay here and recess for you, Mr.

Houlihan, while that's being done; or we can go

about the order of business of the House.'l

Houlihan: t'Mr. Speaker.'l

Speaker Blai.r: ''Yeah.n

Houlihan: l'During the conversations about this particular

Bill and the discussions about whether prescrtption

drugs sbould be put in, whether they should not bek

put in> whether there should be a reduction on tbe

tax on food, Ifve been fn constant touch wfth the

Departmenu of Revenue and I believe that it would

not take me very long to get that fiscal note. In

fact, Ifd be able to have that on the table as soon

as Jerry finishes writfng I'd appreciate it

if you could hold.'î

Speaker Blafr: ''Wel1: you...whatever care to file. If it's

in accordance wfth the statute why we, at that timey

can look at it. Now, Mr. Skinnery is moving in

accordance with the House Rules and he is entitled

to ask for a fiscal note. Mr. Shea .''

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shea: ''We11, Mr. Speaker, 1 know he's entitled to ask

but there are going to be further Amendments...''

'' h further Amendpents/'speaker Blair: T ere are no

shea: ''Oh, well then, there are no further Amendments?''

speaker Blair: ''No, there are no further Amendments.t'

shea: ''Al1 right, then he...I didn't know if we were through

with the Amendments, Sir.''

'' . . s ur tuere so...you Aspeaker Blalr: No, we re..awe re r g ,

have an Amendment, Mr. Maragos?''

Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker, I understand there was an Amendment

//8, I did not offer it but I understand there was

another 8 Amendment.''

speaker Blair: ''Huh? Oh, there were two sets and they' . ç,were the same Amendment.

Maragos: ''We1ly that's what I wanted to know because I hady

on my desk, anotber 8 Amendment, I wondered what

bappened to J.t . ''

Speaker Blair; HAII right, we've...go to tie next Bi11p

Mr. speaker. I mean Clerk. 2687. No, I didn't -

declare it because the request was made for a fis-

ca1 note. Right. A1l right.''

Clerk Selcke; ''House Bi11 2687. A Bill for an act.for pro-.

tection of persons from oppresive facts by debt

collectors and so forth. Second Reading of the

B111. Five Committee Amendments.f'

Speaker Blair: 'Qhere are a number that are requesting

attention. What...of what purpose do you rise,

Mr. Pierce?''

Pferce: ''Mr. Speaker, a parliamentary fnquiry. If...am

I right in this, I'm just trying to assist to the

business...a parliamentary inqufry. If Mr. Houlihan

files his fiscal note today, the Bill having been '

read a second time, wfll not hfs Bflls then, appear

on Thfrd Reading. . Tomorrow will' ft be on Third

Reading then?'' '

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speaker Blair: ''Not unless the Chair advahces it. Mr.

B a r n e s . ' ' '

Barnes: ''Thanks. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker; I was

standing here witb the light on before we moved

to another Bi11. I'm not sure how the Speaker's

system is supposed to work. I tbought that al1

you were supposed to do is to push your speak but-

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speaker Blair: ''For what...n

Barnes: nt had a parliamentary inquiry.''

speaker Blair: f'..-purpose do you rise?'î'

yyB a r n e s : I r o s e f o r a p o i n t o f p a r liam en t a r y in q u i r y b e f o r e

. ou moved on . '' .y

Speaker Blair : ''S tate it so we can get on with the business

o f t he 11 o u s e . 1: .

Barne s : ''We11 I wouldn ' t aind moving on y i t se emed to me - -'

- that you had no intentions of movipg on to the

business of the House. A11 day I've been here,

since 9:30 this morning.l'

Speaker Blair: MWhat's your point of order?b'

Barnes: nIt would seem to ae that if it ts proper that you

'are supposed to push your light and wait for recog-

nition from the Chairy that the Chair should do so.

Now, I pushed my light and I wait for recognitton.''

Speaker Blalr: ''What is your point of order?''

Barnes: H...Did not recognize me, you moved on. Now the

inquiry that I had was that on the question for a

fiscal note tbat came up the other day and I wanted

to find out whether or not the same thing was in

fact, after the Speaker ruled at that time, it was

. a different speaker. And he had said tbat any

amount that would be filed would be filed properly

in accordance with the Rules for a fiscal note. I

asked the question the otber day. And I'm trying

2 to get some clearance on that whether or not youlL

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have to file a lspecific amount' from a Department

or are you in accordance with our Rule if you file

a fiscal note with the amount written fn. Nolzp the

Speaker the other day said you could only ffle any

amount. Now I want.to make that clear. What: act-

ually in fact, is proper and in accordance with the

Rule's when you file a fiscal note?'î

Speaker Blair: HWe11y in the first placey 1et me say that

I don't think that question from you at thfs time

is pertinent simply because the particular Bi11 to

which you refer is under control of another Member

on this floor. The actual question from a parlia-

1 mentary standpoint is not raised untfl a fiscal

note is actually here. And the Gentleman that re-'

quested it, if he has any complaints about whether

or not it meets the statutory requiremeats I assume

be would raise that at the time thae it comes up.

So I suggest that your inquiry at this time is pre-

mature. However, when that time becomes approp.ri-t .

Ii ate if you would care to look at chapter 63, 42.31l! of the Illinois Revised Statute, you'll find thati

it requires tha2 tbe SPOnSOr Of each Bf11 -#Rbàll.pre-

sent a copy of tbe Bill with his request for a fis-

ca1 note to the board: commission, department: ag- '

ency or other entity of the state which is to re-

ceive orrextend the appropriation proposed or which

is responsible for collection of the revenue pro-

posed to the increase or decrease, or to be levied

or provided for. The fiscal note shall be prepared

by this board, commissiony department: agency or

entity and furnished to the Sponsor of the Bill

wtthin ffve calendar days thereafter except...

(unintelligiblel...cost, so on and so forth'.

Now if you want to further peruse the statute with

regards to it> why wegll be happy to send it out

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Amendment //1. A11 those in favo'r say aye; op-

posed, no. The aye's have it. Th% Amendment'sI

adopted. Further Amendments? Huh? No further.... yj . ' .Third Reading.

Clerk Selcke: ''House Bf11 2869. Getty. A Bill for an act

making appropriations to the ordinary and contin-

gent expenses of Dangerous Drugs Commission. Sec-

ond Reading of the Bf11. No Committee Amendments.''

Speaker Blair: ''Any Amendments from the floor?''

Clerk Selcke: ''Amendment //1. Getty. Amend House Bill 2869,

page 1 and...so forth.o

Speaker Blair: MAl1 right, Mr. Getty. Mr. Getty.''

Getty: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Amend-

merst //1 to House Bill 2869, line items certain items

in the appropriation. I have spoken with the respecr

tive Democrat and Republican Leadership on the Appro-

priations Committee. And I know of no opposition ' . '

to the Amendment and I would move for its adopt'ion.'f

Speaker Blair: ''Any discussion? The question's on the adop-

tion of the Amendment. A11 those in favor say aye;

opposed, no. The ayes have it. The Amendment's

adopted. Are there further Amendments?l'

Clerk SelclTe: ''House Bi11 2102. Jaffe. A Bill for an act

to amend the Public Junior Community College Act.

Second Reading of the Bi11. No Committee Amendments.'

Speaker Blalr: ''Any from the floor? Third Reading. House

Bills Third Reading. I'm sorry, Mr. Nilliam Walsh.u

Walsh: HMr. Speaker, itls my pleasure to fntroduce in the

west gallery on the Republican sidey Mr. and Mrs.

Carl Stroble from Westmont. Mr. Stroble is a long-

time committeeman of Downers Grove Township in

Dupage County. And they are represented very capably

by Representatives Rudson, Dyer and Schneider.t. Even Schneider.''

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clerk Selcke: nHouse Bill 2654. Arnell.. Does he want that?''

Speaker Blair: ''What do you want now? Noy he wants that .y I '

Bill yeah.'> .

clerk Selcke: 'lHouse Bill 2618. Mccormick. D. L. here?'î

Speaker Blair: Hèlr. Mccormick, do you want your 26187 No? .

dk a y . ''Clerk Selcke: ''House Bill 2633. Skinner. Where's Skinner?

Skinner, you want that? ....Tape failure....'t .

Skfnner: ''Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave to take Houve Bi11

2633 back .to Second Reading so that I may put Avend-

ment //1 on it which puts it in the same shape as

House Bill 2803 which has not gotten out ôf the

Revenue Commfttee, fs Sponsored by Representative

' Holloway, Choate, Rart, Tipsword, Fennesseyy Craig,

Schraedery Keller, et a1.D

Speaker Blair: l'Who? 0h, a11 right. Yeah. Take it back *'

to second and..e'' '

Clerk Selcke: ''Second Reading. Amendment //1...11 -

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Shea...l'

Clerk Selcke: 'îskinner. Amend House Bill 2633 and so forth.''

Speaker Blair: ''Ihere wasn't objection to taking it back to

Second, was tbere? A1l right, he's going to offer

it now. Is it out on the floor? Yeah. Mr. Skinner,

explain.''

Skinner: ''Yes, if youRll look at the Digest for House Bi11

2803, I'm putting my Bill in exactly the same shape

it is in, precisely. What it does fs deletes the

provision for equalization by the Department of

Local Governmental Affairs and extends the Bill that

we passed last year for equalfzing overlappiag tax

- districts statewide.''

Speaker Blair: ''A11 rightp Mr. Maragos gave us leave. Mr.

Maragos.''

Maragos: ''Question of the Sponsor?''

speaker Blalr; ''Yeah, sure.''

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understand tbis Anendmeaty yourre doing away with

the equalizattonk'' . '

skinner: I'Basfcally that's what the Governor has yuggested.n

shea: ''We11, I'm not asking what the Governor suggested. I'm

asking What this Bill does?''

skinner: nI'm merely trying to carry out his wishes.n

Shea: HDoes this Amendment, if adopted and enacted into 1aw

will this do away with the Department's equalizing

asessments througbout the state?''

Skinner: ''Yes, except it will...excuse mey it will do alzay

wfth the county by county equalizing buL it will

allow people who lfve in tax distrfcts that 1ie in

more than one county to apply to the Department and'

request an allocation of the levy between the two

counties depending on the market value of the prop-

erty in each county.''

Shea: ''Am I correct in assuming, in nonhome rule counties -

- titat they are bound tax break lfmiyations, is that

correct

Slcinner: ''Ikells certainly.n

Shea: ''Am I then to understand that if the assessor has come

up with an equalized assessed valuation of say a

million dollars to the county and they have a multf-

plier of 1.25, they then would have a million, two-

Jive plusp times the tax rate to come up with the

. extensian, is that correct?'l

Skinner: MI think so.'l

Shea: ''What would this do to the revenues of the counties

throughout the state?''

Skinner: ''What it would do is say to the local assessor, and

the local township county officials, it would...

in my...this is, I must admit, a biased fnterpre-

tation, but it would say the Department of Local

Government Affairs gives up on equalizing assessments

and gives it back to the local officials because

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they think they're more competent. It would...

it would put the burden deflnitely on tbe shoulders

of local officials.ll

Shea: ''We11, what happened fn fnstances where as has been

explained to me by some of my colleagues like Mr.#

McMasters and some of the Gentlemen downstate,

where they are presently at the top of their rates.''

Skinner: HOf course, ft would doy ft would do virtually

nothing in most the downstate counties because I

think most of them have a multiplier of one or more.

Excuse me. one or less.''

Shea: nWe11, what about those that are one or more?''

Skinner: ''Wel1x those that are above would have the choice

of raising their assessments locally. Thev could

do that.''

Shea: ''Yeah, but this takes effect when?î' - -.

' Skinner: ''We11y I would assume since it...you know, on the

equalfzation things it's a very good question when

it takes effect. It generally takes effect just

about whenever the Department wants it to take effect.

Since itqwas Lundy's Bill, they're suggesting that

it take effect this year. I'm certainly not sug-

gestïng thatz'

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Skinner: ''1 would assume it would be two years from now,

two tax years.l'

Shea: î'Well, I read the Amendment, youfre talking about

commencing in 1974, so that would mean it would

become immediately effective...ltapel...and when

they went to equalize the '75 taxes...ttape)

It says. Section 3 saysgthis Amendatory Act takes

effect immediately becoming a law and applies to

the computation and extension of taxes for '74

and thereafter payable in t75 thereafter'.''

Skinner: MWe11, if you think that's too soon I'd certainty

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be willing to put it off but that isn .that is

the precise form that the Department of Local

Government Affairs put the Bi11 when they gave

it to Representative Holloway.'' . '

shea: ''We1ly I'm not interested in what the Department

did, Ifm aqking you.''

Skinner: ''We1l as I've told you, I'm merely trying to

carry out the Departmentîs wishesv''

Shea: nWelly Mr. Speakers Ladies and Gentlenen of the gouse:

I wfsh people would read this Amendment. I think

what it would do fs throw county and local govern-

ment fnto chaos if this Amendment is adopted and

the Bill is passed-l'

Speaker Blair: ''Mr.o.where are we now? Mr. Maragos? 0h,

still on Amendment 1.'1

Maragos: 'II would like to ask, because of the question that's

been raised and that's why I asked the Sponsor, is ' -.

- this going to freeze or abolfsh the equalization

factor, that what I was...''

Skinner: HFollowing implementation there will not be an '

equalization factor on a county by county basis.

Evety county will be on its olzn.'' '

Maragos: ''Yeah. Thens what is the LCA going to have to do

in this regard, then? Does it have any control

over the assessed valuations of any county after

this?f'

Skinner: HThey will only have control over the proportioaing

of taxes for tax districts tbat overlap county lines

and tn which people, either the tax district or the

revenues, make a request that the Department come

in and equalize. If there is no request they will

. have no fnf luence . '1

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h a s s t r a d d l e d two c o un t y 1 in e s y i s . . . y o u me an t h e

school dis tric t is going to then have to have an

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equalfzation factor just for that school district?''

skinner: 'Qf the.- well, letls take Elgin' for an examplevî'

Ma r a g o s : '' A l l r :i. g h t . f ' *

Skinner: ''The Elgin School Distrfct this year has requested

that the Department equalized assessmenty the equal-

ized assessment between Cook County and Kane County,

and as a result of that approximately $750,000 of

Kane County...of the school district levy tbat has

been paid by Kane County residents will this year

be paid by Cook County resident s . Now that process

o f . . . o f s h i f t in g a nd e qu a 1f. z in g w'f 11 b e a p p li c ab le

tatewide f f this Bill passes . ''s

Ma r a g' o s : î' W e 11 , i f i t 1 s b e t n g d o n e n ow , wh y d o y o u n e e d t h i s

Amendment; that's what my questfon is.''

Skinner: MWe11y tbe...as you remember. House Bill 999 was

limtted to those counties that classified real es-

tate taxes by ordtnance and those surrounding those

counties. And thae basfcally œeans the metropolf- . -

tan area, the RTA region. What this Bill does 'is

take away the population divisfony the 200,000 and

the classification requirements by ordinance, and

says that anyone in the state may make this request.

And from hearings that the Illinois Economic and

Fiseal Commission beld down 1n, I thfnk it was

Marion, last year there certafnly, you know, there

certainly were requests from other parts of the

state. Not many, but tbere were some.''

Maragos: 'dBut let's...let's...the thing that bothers me and

the tbing you say you're taking it offy then some-

body's going to ask for it. Then what effect will

that have, youfre still havfng equalization factors,

factoring done by the LGA.M

Skinner: HWel1 you will have it but you wi11 not have it on a

county by county basis. You will have an apportion-

' ing in...on only overlapping districts. If the

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district doesn't overlap there..kthere wfll be no

f a c t o r . '' .

Maragos: ''What if there's been objections between.'..are there

provisions for a hearfng before this goes on? Or

what is the structure: how is this going to be struc-

tured before it takes place?''

Skinner: NI think the provision that we built in which was

run by the Cook County Assessorls office before it

. was passed last year was that the Department if it

desired could hold a hearing and receive sales ratio

data. That is comparisons...studies comparing the' ,

assessment to sale data if it desired to do so. I

dfdn't desire to do .so...H

Maragos: HNo: that's not my problem, Mr. Skinner. My prob-

1em is this, assuming onea..one taxing body or one

municfpality wants to ask for this...as a result ask' -.

' for this equalization factor be put. What ff another

body: another municfpality or a sfmilar school dis-

trict does not want to put on: may affect them be-

cause the county or the other distrfct whfch they

affect might indirectly go into other areas beyond

those who are asking for it. And thereforea what...

what structure do you have set up for full hearing

. on this just before the LGA comes in on...that's what

. . Iem asking- .''

Skinner: ''The problem that you're outlining, I don't believe:

could exist because each district will be, you know

the request for school district A will come drom

either the people, from elther the school dïstrïct

or twenty-five, I think it's twenty-five local tax-

payels and the equalization will be for that one

distrfct and for no other district. For instances

in Elgin while the school district and the junior

college and the city are being equalized this year

)! the sanitary district is not because the sanitary

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district did not make a timely rtquest.''

Maragos; 'lNoy you stlll don't understand my...tbe fact that

there's going to be an equalization practlce set in,

indirectly it's going to affect the other taxing

bodies or the other constituents of that county in-

volved either by raisfng or lowering the taxes of

the levy.n

Skinner: ''As a matter of facty I don't think it wt11.1'

Maragos: ''We11 that's my questfonp 1...:'>

Skinner: 1'No, it will not. It will affect only the districts

that makes the request.n .

Maragos: ''We1l, 1...the only thing thate..there's nothing in

the structure to state tbat this wfll not..oall

right, I won?t...further but I still have my doubts

. ..it might do that, that's my question-n

Skinner: ''...In the basic Bf11.l' -.

- Maragos: ''Al1 right.''

Sktnner: ''That' wefre amendiag.î'

S k Blair: ''Mr Leinenweber.npea er .

Leinenweber: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, would the Centleman

yield for another question or two? Unfortunately,

I wasn't able to hear al1 of the discussioa to date.

As I understandy part of this Bill is that ff the

zxmendment is put on that the Department of Local

Government of Local Affairs wfll no longer equalize

assessments within the counties of the state.''

Skinner: HThat's right. If this...ff this is...if thls Bill

. . .this Amendment is adopted and the Bill is passed

then there no longer will be a threat the Departmeat

may come in and raise your assessment which I believe

. in Will County or something like 38Z to 50Z level.''

Leinenweber: ''A11 right. I understand that....''

sktnner: '' ..By law.''

Leinenweber: ''...Those taxing districts whfch are involved

with providing services solely within a county. Now

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Leinenweber: ''AII right, the Bill provides that? Thank you.''

skinner: HI believe we're still on the Amendmenty,Mr.-speaker.'

Speaker Telcser: HOkay, is there any further discussion?

' Gentleman offers to move the adoption of Amendment

//1 of House Bi11 2633. Al1 in favor of adoption

signify by saying aye; the opposed no. The Amend-

ment's adopted. Further Amendments? Third Reading.

Has the Bill been read a third time? ...Represen-

tative Shea.ff . .

Clerk 0 ' Brien : ''House Bill. . . d'

Speaker Telcser : 'lone second , Representat ive shea > f or what

urpose do you rise? ''P

Shea : ''Could we ltave a f iscal no t e on th f s , Skinner 1 s Bill ? ''

S p e ak e r T e lc s e r : '' Okay : t h e B i 11 1 s o n S e c o n d Re a d in g . A '

f i scal no t e has b een r eque s t ed . We ' 11 leave the B i11

on Second un t il a f iscal no t e is f J. l ed . 22 00 . f' - -.

- clerk O'Brien: ''House Bill 2200. A Bill fo< an act to 'pro-

vide for the ordinary and contingent expense for - '

1 Legislative Advisory Committee Regional Transport- .!1

ation Authority. Third Reading of the Bil1.''

Speaker Telcser: HGentleman from Cook, Representative Porter.

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Porter: t'Take that out of the record, please.''

l speaker Telcser: ''Represeatative choate's not on the floor.Dan, 2874? No? 2863. 2863, Mike? 2863.1'

clerk O'Brien: 'lHouse Bi1l...'î

Speaker Telcser: Nfhat? What?''

Clerk o'Brien: HHouse Bill 2863. A Bill for an act makipg an

appropriation to the Illinois Law Enforcement Com-

mission. Third Reading of the Bf11.H

Speaker Telcser: f'Centleman fron Cook, Representative Totten.''

Totten: ''Thank you, Mr. speaker, Members of the House, you

may recall this was the Bill last week that I think

kind of caught us asleep over here and we got to

Third Reading and some Committee Amendments were

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tabled inadvertently by the Spopsor and he has .

' agreedy been courteous enopgh Lo agreel.to bripg

the Bi11 back to Second Reading so* that we can

Dake an attempt at the Coumittee Amendments and

I do thank him for that courtesy. And what Itd

lfke to do...Mr. Speaker, what Ifd like to do now

is with the Sponsor's permission bring it back to -

Second Reading.''

Speaker Telcser: l'Representative Getty.''

Getty: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey yes,

I would ask for leave to bring House Bill 2863 from

Third Readfng back to Second Reading.l'

Speaker Telcser: ''Are there any objections? Eearing nonez

House Bill...Represeatative She' a. for what purpose

do you risey''

Shea: ''Are we working on 2763?1' . .

speaker Tekcser: ,,2863. okay, the centleman wants leave to

brlng it back to the order of Second Readipg. Are ' '

tbere any objections? Hearing none, 2863 on the

order of Second Reading. Will the Clerk please read

the Aoendment? 0ne minute, Representatfve Totten,

for what purpose do you rise?''

Totten: ''I believe, I believe that what's happened, Mr. Speak-

nry is that we have tabled Committee Amendment l and

2 and adopted Amendment #3. And what we'd like to

do is to...what we'd like to do I believe would be

to reconsider those votes which the Sponsor has agree

to, if we could reconsider Amendment f/3 first and

then get us back to 2 and 1.:6

Speaker Telcser: HGentleman from Cook, Representative Gettyv''

Getty: flAh yes, Mr. Speaker, by agreement, I think we could. 'r

ask leave to reconsider the adoptfon of Amendment //3

and reconsider the tabling of Amendment I1k and 2.6,

Speaker Telcser: HOkay, any further questions? Having voted

on the prevailing side by which Amendment //3 to which

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House Bill 2863 was adopted. Gentleman from Cooka

Representative Getty, moves to reconsider that vote.

A11 in favor of the Gentleman's motion signify by

sayfng aye; pardonr Three. A1l in favor signify

by saying aye; the opposed :o. Geatleman's motion

prevails. Now what do you want to do with //3, Mikey

you want to table it or.w.just leave ft where it is

and not...okay, havfng voted on the prevailing side

by which Amendment //2 was tabledy the'Gentleman from

cook, Representative cetty, moves to reconsider the

vote by which it was tabled. Gentleman from Cook,

Representative Totten.''

Totten: nParliamentary inquiry. If we leave 3 on where are

we with 1 and 2?''

Speaker Telcser: nWe haven't left three, we1l,..''

Totten: ''We've got to take three off, I think, and then we -

can get back to that.''

speaker Telcser; ''Representative Getty, I asked what you wante

t o d o . . . ' '

cetty: ''Itls my understanding we have now reconsidered...l...

I'm moving, having voted prevailing side by which

3 was adopted, to reconsider that and put ft back in

status quo and then also move to reconsider tabling

çf 1 and 2 so that a11 three Amendments will be back

in status quo.î'

Speaker Telcser: HRepresentatfve Tottenz'

Totten: ''Yeah, I think then what we have to do is table 3

and then reconsider 2, reconsider the tabling motfon

on 2 and do the same thing on So we can get back

E 0 1 * ' '

speaker Telcser: ''Representative Gettys are you going to move

to adopt //3 again later on? Are you going to discard

it?''

Getty: HNo, no. I would hope to defeat //1 and tben go back

and adopt //3 that's my intention and leave it where

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. Speaker Telcser: ''AII righty what we want to doy'Represen-

tative Totten, we will move to reconsider.each one

of the three Amendments. Whfchy in effecty will

leave them in the same situatfon as if they were

all.here on the Speaker's table. A11 right? A11

rfght, having voted on the prevailing side which

Amendment //2 was tabled. the Gentleman from Cookm

Representatfve Cettyy moves that that vote'be recou-

sidered . A11 in f avor signif y by sayipg aye ; the

opposed , no . The Gentleman ' s mo tion prevails . Now

having vo ted on the prevaf lf ng s f d e wllf ch Amend-

ment f/1 was tab 1ed the Gentleman f rom Cook , Repre sea-

t a t i v e (1 e t t y , mov e s t ha t v o t e b e r e c o n s i d e r e d . Al 1 '

i; , 'in f avor aye ; the opposed no . The entleman s

mot ton prevails . Okay , now . Will the Clerk read - >..

- Amen dm en t # 1 a g a i n s o we c a n t ake t ha t qu e s t i on up ?

Right now the Bill fs in fts orfginal form with no '

Amendments adopted. Okay, Clerk.''

' Clerk O'Brien: ''Amendment 1 amends House Bill 2863 and so

f o r t h . ''

Speaker Telcser: î'Okay, the Gentleman from.k.who's goipg

to handle that? The Gentleman from Cook. Represen-

uative Totten.''

Totten: ''Thank you, Mr....''

' Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Getty, for wbat purpose do

o u r :i. s e ? ''y

Getty: ''We11 yes, 1...1 would like at this time now to renew' .

my motion to table Amendment IIk and argue that

on the merits with tbe Gentleman.''

. Totrén; ''Okay, I object to that motïon. I have a substitute

motfon to adopt Amendment //1.':

' Speaker Telcser: ''Okay, the Gentleman from Cook, Represen-

tative cetty, has moved to table Amendment #1 to

House Bfll 2863. Gentleman fron Cook, Representatfve

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increase, Director Miller said June 17, from the' .

Chicago Daily News that he 'doesn't need the extra

money and the Agency is darn inefflcient with what

it does have that until we're dofpg a better job

we shouldn't ask for more. Now we are invthe' process

Jf gfvfng them $3,000:000 more and I'D sure we'll

get the same response. The General Assembly is

being asked to appropriate this $302,000. What we

are not being told is that thts is a three year

program whick will actually involve some $8,000,000

in federal money and $940,000 in state funds for a

total cost of over $9,400,000. And as with most of

these federal seed money programs the General Assembl

will be eventually asked to totally fund the entire

program. We feel that this Amendmenty if we adopt

this Amendment and take this money out, will have

ample time then to study whether this program ,can be

adequately undertaken by a department which has aï-. '

ready said lt doesn't need any more money and is

operated inefficiently. Now, 1et me point out one

other thing, the $302,000 in state match money for

a purchase of care grant fs for 175...175 adjucated

juvenile offenders. With this $3,000,000 this means

a cost per offender of $17,163. It would seem to

me that this money could be better used for a less

expensive and higher impact delinquency program rather

than this expens.ive program, $17,000 per youth. The

long term fiscal implications of this grant are very

uneertain. It was hastily conceived. It has not

been studied and it is possible that the state wi11

be forced to underwrtte the entire cost of this in

three years which will be some $3,000,000. And I

repsectfully request that we adopt Committee Amend-

ment //1 which would remove this $302,000 for the

Department of children and Family Servicesal'

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7 from Kane...centlenan from Kane, Representativek. .'); , ,! c r o t b e r g

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.' Grotberg: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of) '.''' the Housey...can we have a little order, Mr. Speaker?.)/

. .% . .' Thank you. This is not a partisan issue. I'd like

2. to call the attention to b0th sides of the aisle tof @ .

s the particular Anendment we are addressing and which

'?. I rise in support ofy Amendment //1 to House B1ll

$ 2863. About 18 months ago a gentleman came to I11i-

nois from Massachusettes Corrections Department, notyy..j;b.'.l Children and Family Services, and the first thing

he indfcated to the State of Illdnois was that ia. .: !

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; spite his departaental responsibilfties in Children

. and Family Services he was ded ica ted towards taking

'J over the Juventle corrections System of the State of

1 d that statement to Corrections be, Illinois. He ma e , -.

-.2 made it to the Governor, there are several agreements

'>. going on. Because I have three juvenile correction'

; institutions in my district and three senior adult*

j' offender fnstitutions in my district, I m more than'' casually concerned. Tbis House is probably aware of

)'' the running battle that I have also had with Children

and Family Services on other matters. But thfs isk '

i t end run to the ceneral Assembly by the fourt, a d rec

k/.. . branch of governnent, called the Federal Governmenty

, to appropriate funds tbat will gets funds that willJ'y

> allow in spite of anything we do in thfs House forl. j. .. the Director of children and Family Services to start/1 '.: an alternative to tbe Juvenile Corrections Systemè.' when he can't run what he's got. When he learns how

.V to run what he.fs goc, he has a rather good, noble

% idea here. And the papers which Representative Totte

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alternative that satisfies the child who isn't the

person who should go into an inétitution to be in-

carcerated and he shouldn't be put'back on the street$

This is the middle of the road. This is the type

of tbing that we want. 'This will not go .directly

for more services by the Department of Children and

Family Servicesy it will go to buy that thfrd alter-

native. This is what I would think those who have

argued against thfs Amendment, against this service

rathery and for this Amendment deleting that would

really want. I think that everyone of you would

want to have this service provided. If you adopt thi

Amendment you are going to knock out that possibility

and I would ask you to defeat Amendment //1 and to

adept Ameadment //3 when it comes up.f'

Speaker Telcser: 'Qhe Gentleman from Macony Representative

borchers . ''

Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and fellow Membyrs of the House, 1 ' . -

have a lfttle concrere example of these polfcies o-f

Doctor Miller. We have ln Decatur a home for boys

called Cantrall Hall. When Doceor Mlller caue here

to the State of Illinois and started to institute .

his new polfcfes, Cantrall Eall was redueed approxf-

matel/ one-third by the replacement of boys intoother facilitiesy fnto foster homes. Now I don't

have, really, a 1ot of quarrel with that; the idea

is excellent. Nov the boys we had there were from

broken homes, they were not boys that had to have

correctfonal...and not boys that had criminal records

. . .participate in criminal activities. Now we have

some boys, because of this placement and change of

policy, with records going into this home. I had

calls and letters from the neighbors who informed

me that they ltved near this Cantrall Hall and these

boys are stealing bicycles, vandalizing the property,

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things that have never happened before for some 30:

40 years prior to thfs change of policy. I thfnk

this Amendment should be supportedwî'1

Speaker Barnes: ' fdThe Centleman from Cook, Mr. Duff.''

Duff: MMr. Speaker, Ladfes and Centlemen of the House: what

we're talking about here it seems to me fs one of

the many kinds of problems weere going to be con-

fronted .1th over the next year or two because

Illinois hasy in facty over the past ten or twenty

years mishandled the institutionalizatfon of people.

This fs true ïn the Department of Correctfons. This

true in the Department of Children and Family

Services. This is trùe in the Department of Mental

Hea1th. It is not solely to be set necessarily on

the back of the present directors of any of tbese

three areas. And I am not absolving h1m by saying

that for the faults for which I'm sure we can find.

But the simple fact is that over the recent decade

Illinois has fallen down on handling...excuse me,-

Mr. Speaker, Representative Stone wants to...''

Speaker Barnes: 'Qust a moment, Mr. Duff, Representative

Stone...what purpose do you rise?''

Stone: 'îA point of order: Mr. Speakery the Centleman from

Cook, Mr. Getty, was recognized two speakers ago '

to close the debate. If...ff the Gentleman has

anything more to say 1...1 think...out of order

trying to say it now, they should say lt on expla-

nation of votes.''

Duff: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker, I've been recognized, I#d lfke to...'

stone: ''Mr. Speaker, 1...11

Duff: ''...Finish.''

Speaker Barnes: 'lgust.a moment. Just a moment. Representativ

Stone, believe that the Amendment that we're dis-

cussing is not Representatfve Getty's Amendment, so

! he wouldn't be the last person.to close on:

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Representative Duff.u

Duff: ''We11, Mr. Speaker, kk I may continue, 1...1 safd in

summary that what we are dealing with in Illinois

in the next year and a half is going to be the re-

evatuation of our whole institutional program. Nowy

I'm not happy with a 1ot of the things that Mr.

Miller ls doing or has doae, but 1111 tell you that

1 ted to ciild'and Family Servicesour institutions re a

are inadequate right now in the hands of a genius,

tn the hands of a saint. And 1...1 suggest to you

that no matter what we Day choose to do as a result

of legislative investigation with the Department of

Child and Family Services. Representative Getty is

absolutely rigkt in this regard. If youfre unhappy

wftb the institutïons as they stand, if you don't

want to see youpg children who shouldn't be put into

Jnstitutions and crimfnalized, brutalized, by a sys-

tem that we, this General Assemblyy this Legislaturey

is responsible partly for having allowed then you-

should support Representative Getty's posftion on

this. Because there are children that should not

be put out on the street; they have particular prob-

lems, they are not crlminals yet but they have been

found to...anti-social behavior, and have perhaps

an emotional or home problem which allows for...which

requires a certaia kind of handling that 1ze don't

have. Now this is the only alternative, third al-

ternative if you will, that we fn Illinois are going

to be able to take care of some of these children

in the interim while we find solutions to a much

larger problem.n

Speaker Barnes: 'lYess the Gentleman from Cook, Representative

Kosinski.fî

Kosfnski: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Centleaen of the Rouse,

may I call something to your attention that's pure

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t ? zf we leave the Bi11 iatact as it ts,l economy

r we are subscribing to tbis with 90z federal funds.'

If we accept the Amendment, we are usipg 100Z statefunds. Now, Just as a simple matter of economy

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rather use the federal dollars. oppose this

Amendment.''

' speaker Barnes: ''Gentleman from Cook, Representatfve Peters.''!

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1 P ters: ''Mr Speaker I move the previous question.l'! e. . ,!t$

n i : u s yeen moved allSpeaker Barnes: The prev ous quest on a ,. l7 those fn favor

say aye; opposed, no. The ayes have

i it. And the Gentleman to closez'k 3

' b k ou Mr. Speaker it's a pleasure to see youTotten: T an y & ,tI up there. In my closfpg remarks I'd .just.like tot

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t f t out to some Members of t%e House that in thePO ni

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l appropriatioa Bill for this department, Chfldren1!1 and Family Servic

es, we gave them $1,493,000 of1i f

d e r a 1 lu o n e y an d $ l 6 5 % 0 0 0 f o r s t a t e mo ae y f o ret1

l this purpose and the director has indfcated: exact y$. , Ithat s it s more than enougb to do the job. Why: should thfs Ceneral Assembly in its wïsdom appro-

priate an additional three point three million dollari'

' to Children and Family Services for exactly thei:

) same pu rpo se . ue bav e t o be responsible some time ;.kt1 we're goins' to have another $9,000,000 on our back(). in three years unless we carefully look at th

e fiscal;r fmpact of this Amendment. And let me remind you fur-/,'. ther, that in regarding this kind of care, tbe 111-)

' inois Commission on Chlldren recommended, and theHouse Actfon on Chlld Care concurre'd ia the followipg9statement #we strongly urge that the Departmeat ofChildren and Family Services be given the tfme and

opportunity to tighten up the administratfve lfnes

of responsibility: channcls and communfcations.

This would need no new responsibilities be assigned

to the department for thfs year so that the staff

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has an opportunity to firm up the programs, policies

and priorlties that they have instituted'. We are

asked here to institute hâstily some federal monies1

where we have already appropriated enough money to

do the And I think the only responsible vote ,

would be to support this Amendment for the reduction

of $300,000 in this grant. And I respectfully urge

an aye vote.''

Speaker Barnes: HThe question is, shall the House adopt Amend-

ment //1 to House Bi11 2863. Do you wfsh a Roll Call

vote, Mr. Sponsor? The...a11 in favor of the adop-

tion of Amendment //1 shall'. vote aye; the opposed

shall vote no. Yes, Representative Grotberg, to

explain his vote.l'

Grotberg: ''...See what is happening, everyone here who has

been talking directly, on' b0th sides of the aisle.

to the problem of Children and Family Services has

just turned their back and made liars of themselvesp

everyone of them to the man. I have not Yeard anf-one fn this House speak in favor of the Admiaistra-

tive Sielaff regarding the :department.'he's .rupning an

you will'.turn-'eight around, with your red votes, and! . .

1l give tbe gentleman a bigger playing field to operate

fn, with your children and mine, a11 the agencies

and private agencies in the state working day and

night to effect this situation and yet here we go

with a bfg deal on and I appreciate very mucb what

is happening.but I will not forget it. And I will

work very hard...''

Speaker Barnes: ''Just a moment, Mr. Grotberg, the Gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Shea, what pofnt are you raisfng?'l

Shea: Hls he speaktng to the Amendment or the Bf1l? I find

nothfng in either the Amendment or the Bill that

mentions the department tbat he's talking about.''

speaker Barnes: ''He's explaining his vote. Would you stick

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the germane...o'f this questiony'ê

G otberg: '' Recommend an aye vote on this Amendment for 'r . ..

the sake of the children of the State of.lllinois,

Mr. Speaker.'' 1

speaker Barnes: ''Have a11 voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, vould' k the record pleake? The Gentieman fromyou ta e ,

Cook, Mr. Totten.n

Totten: nAn inquiry of the Speaker. Yesterday we had a

concurrence put on postponed consideration can you?

have an Amendment put on postponed consfderation?''

speaker Barnes: ''Tbe interpretation that I receive is that

the Bill itself would have to be on postponed con-

sideration.''

Tottea: HThank you.''

speaker Barnes: N0n this...Amendment //1 there's 63 ayes,

85 nays and the Amendment is...and 1 voting present.

And the Amendment is lost. Are there any further ' -.

- Amendments?n . '

clerk O'Brien: ''Amendment //2. Getty. Amends House Bill 2863

as amended on page 1 and so forth.''

Speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Cetty.''

Getty: MMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I move

that Amendment #2 be tabled.lî

Speaker Barnes: 'Qhe Gentleman has offered to table Amendment

9.2, does be have leave? The Amendment will be tabled

Further Amendments?'î

Clerk O'Brien: ''Amendment //3. Getty. Amends House Bill 2863

on page l by deleting lines 5 through 14 and so forth.'î

Speaker Barnes: HGentleman from Cook, Mr. Getty.'î

Getty: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey

Amendment //3 puts the Bi11 back into fts desired and

original shape provfding for the àppropriation of

ILEC in the amount of $302:210 which will be used

primarily for the purchase of prfvate care facilfties

for children. And I would move for the adoption

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of the Amendmentp''

speaker Barnes: there any discussion? The Lady from

Cook, Representative Martin.''

Martln: ''W1ll the Sponsor yield for a questlonz please7''

Speaker Barnes: ''He indicates he will.f'

Martin: ï'Mr. Cetty. will you please tell me the $50,000 that

is appropriated to the Department of Correctfons fn

Amendmenty will you please tell me wbat it's going

to be used for?''

cetty: ''That's uatching funds for grants to lmprove physical

facilities in the Department of Corrections. This

is...ttapel...reappropriation,' Representative, so

that we will bave funds for that matchfng grant.''

Martin: fîDo you know what facilitles are listed to be im-

proved.and how they might be improved?''

Getty: ''This has to do with a project at Stateville to im- ' ..

- prove the conditiony the environmept, in the insti-

tuefon for the prisoners.''

Martin: don't think that answers my question, Mr. Cetty.

I'm trying to find out precisely what the money is

going to be used for as far as rehabflftalipg those

facilities, theny in Stateville Penitentiary.n

Getty: ''That's the purpose, it is part of a program for reha-

bilitating facilities in Statevflle.''

Martfn: HNothing specific, though, no specific...area.''

Getty: ''I*d like to point out that this fs a grant, nothing

specific has been approved by Illinois Law Enforce-

ment Commission. This is through the Illinois Law

Enforcement Commission. It's line ftemed for those

types of purposes. But as to a specific thing there

is nothing specific.'l

Speaker Barnes: ''Further dlscussïon? The Gentleman from

Cook x Mr. Getty, to close.î'

Getty: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

belfeve thïs subject has been debated and I would

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81.

ask for a favorable vote on' ft.:'.

Speaker Barnes: ''Tbe question is whether...to adopt Aaend.

meat //3 to House Bill 2863. A11 those in, favor

say aye; the opposed, no. The Amendment's adopted.

Any furtber Amendments, Mr. Clerk? Third Reading.

Do you want to have it read a third tfme today?

Mr. Clerky would you read it for the third timez

l e a s e ? ''P

Clerk 0 ' Brien : l'House Bill 2863 . A Bill f or an ac t making'

an appropriation to the Illinois Law Enforcement

Commission. Third Reading of the Bi11.H

Speaker Barnes: ''Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Getty.l'

Getty: HMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, in

debating the proposed Amendment, I think we have

fairly explafned what this is but so that there's

no doubt. This is a lined item reappropriation

- of monies that were not expended dqring fiscal 1974

to be reappropriated for fiscal 1975. They are re-'

spectively for the Illinois Law Enforcement Commis-

sion for the Department of Correction and the Depart-

ment of Children and Family Servfces for the purchase

of private care facilities. And I would ask for

a favorable Roll Cal1.f1

Speaker Barnes: HThe question is, should House Bill 2863

pass? A11 those in favor vote aye'and the opposed

vote nay. The Centleman from Kane, Mr. Schoeber-

lein. Your light was ony do you want....wish to

explain your vote? Gentleman from Cook: Mr. Maragos.''

Maragos: ''Was wondering, Mr. Speaker, Acting S/eaker, ff

. there's been any change of political affiliation

with you being up there and Mr. Telcser being down

on this side of the aisle....of the Rouse.l'

Speaker Barnes: ''Not quite. Have a11 voted who wish? The

Clerk will take the record. Mr. Campbell, aye.

On this question there's 139 yeas, 2 nays and 12

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present. And th.is Btll having received the con-

stitutional majority is declared passed. Senate

rBflls Third Reading. Yes the.v.going down th.e. . t;

product on tbis...''

clerk O'Brien: HSenate Bi11 917. Barnes.'' . .

Speaker Barnes: nYes, Representative Jones, Senate Rill 917.11

Clerk O'Brien: ''A Bill for an act to amend sectfons of the

Illinois Financial Assistance Act for nonpublfc

fnstitutions of higher edueation. Tkird Reading

o t e .

Speaker Barnes : îîGent leman f rom Sapgamon y Mr . Jones . ''

Jones : ''M'r . Sp eaker y Lad ies and Gent lexen of the llou se y

. S enate Bill 917 passed the . . .we got it up yet? :1

speaker Barnes: ''Mr. Clerk, Senate Bill 917.1'

Jones: HWe need to Yeturn this to Second Readtag for the

purpose of an Amendment.''

Speaker Baraes: l'Leave to return thls to Second Reading?

Leave' has been granted. Read the Amendment, Mr. k -

Clerk OlBrien: HAmendment 112. J. David.lones. Amends Senate

Bill 917 on page 1 by deletinge..amend Section 2 and

s o f o r t h . 11

Speaker Barnes: HThe Gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Jones.''

Jones: HThis Amendment puts 917 into an agreed shape as .

sinitar to Rouse Eitt 1171 that I had earliex last

Session, and...I move its adoptfon. And vielll ad-

dress ourselves to the Bill as the Amendment w111

be the new Bfl1.H

Speaker Barnes: HAre there any questions? The Gentleman has

moved the adoption of Senate Bill.. .moved the adoption

of Amendment //2 to Senate Bi11 917. The Gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz.''

echowicz: ''Thank you, Mr. Speakery wfll the Sponsor yield

to a question?f'' peaker Barnes: HHe said he wi11.H)j '

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Lechowicz: ''0h, I1m sorry.- this is a.- this relates- . .

in relation to junior colleges?''

Jones: ''Yes it is, Sir.'' -; .1

Lecbowicz: ''And does it- .your...what does your House Bill do?'

Jones: HThis will be...this puts it in the shape that wè want

address ourselves to to 9l7 which is agreed with

the Sponsor, Senate Sponsor and House Sponsor Gene

Barnes.''

Lechowicz: ''Right, thank you.f'

Speaker Barnes: nThe Centleman from Sangamon has moved for

the adoption of Amendment //2 to Senate Bi11 917.

A1l indicate it by the sfgn of aye; the opposed, no.

The Amendmentfs adopted. Any furtber Amendments,

Mr. Clerk? Third Reading. The Bill has been read'

jja third time, Representative Jones.

Jones: ''Senate Bill 917.passed by the Senate was on Third

Keading at the last day of tbis Legislature lqst

June. It is a Bill whfch by agreement was to be ' . -

amended on the floor and it's meant to be the remedy .

of the present injustice which has occurred in ad-

minlstration of the Financial Assistance Act for

nonpublic institutions of higher learning. That

isy the private colleges. The present act awards

to the various eligible nonpublfc institutions a

grant administered by the Board of Higher Educa-

tion which is based upon a formula for $100 for

every freshman and sophomore who is a Illinois

State Scholarship Award Winner. And $200 for every

junior and senior who is an Illinois resident. The

present Amendment will adjust this formula so that

both freshmen and sophomores as well junior and

senior will be based on Illinois residence. The .

second important affect of the Amendment of thfs

Bill will be to remedy the fact that after the pres-

ent tfme tbe full appropriation has not been availabl

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clerk OîBrien: HSenate Bill 1316. Sevcik. A Bill for an

act to amend the section of an act to provide for

the ordinary and contingent expense of the Illinofs

Legislative Investigatipg Committee. Ihird Readipg

of the Bi11.''.

speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Sevcik.''

Sevcik: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey Senat

Bill 1316 merely transfers $5.000 from-..between

divisions for the Legislative Investigatipg Commis-

sion. I ask for your favorable support.l'

Speaker Barnes: ''Is there any discussion? The question is,

shall Senate Bill 1316 pass? Al1 those in favor

vote yea; the opposed nay. Have a11 voted who wish?

Mr. Clerk, take the record. On this question there

is 135 ayes, Mr. Mccourt, aye; a 136 ayes, 1 nay.

no voting present, Keller aye. None voting present.

Thts Bill having received the constitutional majority

is hereby declared passed. Senate Bi11 880, Taylor.''

Clerk O'Brien: HSenate Bill 880. Griesheimer. A B111 for Sn

act to enable certain employees and Members of the

General Assembly to qualify for pension. Third Read-

ing of the Bi11.'' .

Speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman fron Lake, Nr. Griesheimer.''

Griesheimer: 'lèlr. Sfeaker, I'd ask leave to return this tosecond Reading for an Amendment-f'

Speaker Barnes: ''Leave has been requested to return Senate

Bill 880 to Second Read'ing. Do we have leave? Leave

Mr. Griesheimer.''

criesheimer: ''IR11 yield to Representative Mccormick.''

Mccormick: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House...''

speaker Barnes: ''...Mr. Nccormfck, just a minute. Read the

Amendment, Mr. clerk.''

clerk o'Brien: ''Amendment //3. Mccornfck. Amends Senate Bill

880 on pyge- ..deleting lines..e''

Mc c o r m i c k : '' èIr . . . Mr . s p eak e r . . . ''

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Speaker Barnes; NMr. Mccormick.''

Mc c o rmic k : '' . . . L a d i e s and G e n't leufen o f t h e Eo u s e , t hi s

really defines the per diem in thd Pension Code

per *he IRS rulings and the W-2 Forms that the

' Comptroller has given us. And I would move its

adoption.''

Speaker Barnes: HIs there any discussion? The question is

on the adoption of Amendment I13 to Senate Bill 880.

A11 those in favor say aye; the opposed no. The

Amendment is adopted. Any...other Amendments? The

Bfll has been read a third time. Mr. Griesheimer.l'

Grfesheimer: ''Thank youy Mr. Speaker. This Bill provides a

new definition for employees that are paid out of

our legislative funds so that they will be considered

state employees for the purposes of retirement and

other benefits under the state system. The Bill was.

previously amended by the Eouse on Second Readipg

last year: it was continued to the spring term. The - '

provisions in here speciffcally call that the employe

must be in our employee for a minimum of 1500 bours a ear

to qualify for these benefits. I would urge a favor-

able vote.''

Speaker Barnes: îo s there any discussion? The Gentleman froa'

,1Lake, Mr. Matijevich.

Matijevich: '1Mr. Speaker. would the Gentleman yield to a

question?''

Speaker Barnes: HHe indicates he wi11.H

Matijevich: HRepresentative Grieshefmer, is the purpose of

this Bill to allow that those who we hire as aides

in our district may fall under the state pension

system?l'

Griesheimer: l'That is correct. However, I would explain fur-

ther and provide that the employee must serve a mini-

mum of 1500 hours in our ,employee to qualtfy for tbis

under this Bi1l.H

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' ' . ' '-J Matijevich: Mr. Speaker, I Just want to speak briefly to ,p

1k1 ?this Bi11. I think we have yet too many problems8. : .

11 1îj, wi t h p e o p le wh o a r e n ow und e r our p en s i on s y s t en$4...:,1. .

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. .1 for adninistrative aides to fall under the pension '

system. '*' !r. - .) .lp ,, ,, =.> S p e a k e r B a r n e s : M r . G r i e s h e i m e r . .< .*1;. )r ,( Griesheimer: ''This is mycunderstànding ofnthe Bill that the ;'t

general redef ini tfon of the word employee bu t . . . î' '

, . *j > .l . 't v I '*Matiaevich: 1 ve been

. ..l ve been advised about this Bill!;..: ,, ,, . .; a little closer, thank you. yy, #.y'

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there's a 134 ayes, 7 nays, 7 votlng present.

Mr. Duff. And this Bfll recelvlùg a constitutfonal

majority is hereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1128 '''j ' .clerk 0 Brien: ''Senate Bill 1128.1' '

speaker Barnes: ''Just a moment, you want that called? Take

it out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Senate Bfll 1409.11

clerk OlBrien: nSenate Bill 1409. Ron Hoffman. A Bill for

an act to amend sections of the Park District Code.

Third Reading of the Bil1.H

speaker Barnes: HThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hoffman.''

Hoffman: HThaak you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, Senate Bill 1409 amends the Park District

Code. Provides that failure of the Board to adopt

the budget and appropriation ordinance does not 1n-

validate its tax'levy. Clarifies lack of direct

relationshtp between the tax levy made in any year

and the budget and appropriation ordinance for that *'

- year. Repeals section requiring publication of ap-

propriation ordinance within 30 days aftet'zits-adoa ti n-''

speaker Barnes: ''Just a moment, Representattve Hoffman. Go

rfght ahead.'' *

Hoffman: MThe 1aw now requires such an ordinance be made publi

before its adoption. I solicit your support.''

Speaker Barnes: 'fAny discussion? Is there any discus'sioa?

Yhe Gentleman from Will, Mr. Leinenweber.''

Lefnenweber: ''Thank you: Mr. Speaker, will the Gentleman

yfeld for a questfon?''

Speaker Barnes: HHe indicates he wi11.M

Leinenweber: ''What park district failed to adopt budget and

appropriations?''

Speaker Barnes: ''Would you repeat that for hfm?''

' Leinenweber: ''What park district would come under this or

failed to adopt budget and appropriation ordinances?''

Hoffman: '1A1l park districts.''

Leinenweber: ''I didn't...what gave rise to thfs particular

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' ' 11 t h e c u r r e n t 1 e g i s' l a t i o n wh i c h wa sil o f f ma n : B e c a u s e u n e r

e n a c t e d 1 a s t y e a r , t h e r e i s s o m e q i; e s t io n in g a s t o1

whether tbey will jeopardize their tax levy by faflin

to file their appropriation or their budget and in

what year they would file.i'

Leinenweber: ''Thank you.''

Speaker Barnes: ''Representative...the Gentlenan from Cook,

Mr. Palmer. No? Is there any further discussion?

Mr. Hoffman to close.''

Hoffman: ''I solicit your support.l'

Speaker Barnes: ''The question is on Senate Bill 1409. A11

those in favor will vote aye; the opposed vote nay.

Have a11 voted who wish? Mr. Clerk, take the record.

Juckett, aye. Peters, aye. Mcclain, aye. Mr.

Krfegsman, aye. Duff, aye. On this question there .

is 115 ayes. no navs. 1 present. This Bill receiving

the donstitutional majority is hereby declared passed

Senate Bill 576.'1

Clerk OlBrien: ''Senate Bill 576. ' Springer. A Bill for an

act to amend sectfons of the Illinois...î'

Speaker Barnes: ''Just a moment, Mr. Springer? Take it out

of the record, please..-'î

Springer: ''Mr. Speaker, take it out of the record, please.''

Speaker Barnes: ''Take it out of the record. Senate Bill 1277.'î

clerk o'Brien: ''Senate Bill 1277. Fleck. A Bill for an act

to make an appropriation to the Board of Trustees of

Judges Retirement System . Third Reading of the Bi11.'

Speaker Barnes: f'The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fleck.''

Fleck: nMr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this

is the appropriation for the judicial retirement fund

and I...specifically ask for your support.'f

Speaker Barnes: ''Any discussion? Tbe question fs should...

just a minute. Excuse me. Mr. Skinner.''

Skinner: ''uould the centleman yield for a question?''

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speaker Barnes: ''He indicates he will.'?

Skinner: ''There are no chapges fn the rules in...in this

Bi11, are there? I mean, judges won't be able to

stop paying after 20 years?''

Fleck: It s the same as it always was: it s just the

appropriation.n

Skinner: nokay.''

Speaker Barnes: HAny further discussion? The question then

is on Senate Bill 1277. A11 those in favor will

vote aye; the opposed vote nay. Have a1l voted that

wlshed? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this ques-

tion there fs l52 ayesz no nays and present. And

this Bil1 recei#ing:the:constitutional majority is

hereby declared passed. Sevcfk, aye. Bob Holloway:

aye. Leon, aye. Senate Bill 1265. Just a minute.

I'm sorry. Senate Bill 1323.11 ' -

- Clerk O'Brien: ''Senate Bf11 1323. Leon. A.Bf1l for an act

making appropriations for the ordinary and contingen-t

expense to the Office of Lieutenant Coveraor. Third

Reading of the Bi1l.H

Speaker Barnes: nGentleman from Cook: Representative Leon.''

Leon: nèlr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this'

yis the appropriations for the Lieutenant Governor s

o r d f n a r y a n d c o n t in g en t f und . I w o u ld a p p r e c i a t e

o u r s u p p o r t . ''y

Speaker Barnes : 'tls there any discussion? The ques tion is

Sena te Bi11 1323 . Al1 those in f avor will vo te aye ;

the opposed will vote nay. Have a11 voted uho wish?

Take the record, Mr. Clerk. Peters, aye. on thfsl

question there's 151 ayes, no naysy no present. And

this Bill receiving the constitutional majority is

hereby declared passed. Senate Bf11 1351.'1

Clerk O'Brien: ''Senate Bill 1351. Kennedy. A Bill for an

act to provide for the ordinary and contingent ex-

pense of the Office of State Treasurer. Thfrd Readin

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of the B111.''

speaker Barnes: 'Qhe Gentlenan from Madison, Mr. Kennedyo''

Kennedy: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlepen of'th.e House,

Senate Bill 1351 is the appropriation for the State

Treasurer of the ordinary and contingent expenses.

I'd appreciate your support.f'

Speaker Barne/; 'Qs ehere any discussfon? The question fs,

on Senate Bill 1351. A11 those in favor will vote

aye and the opposed will vote nay. Have a11 voted

who wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record

Mr. Clerk. On thfs question therels l54 ayes, no

naysy no present. And thfs Bi11 receiving the con-

stitutional majority is hereby declared passed.

Senate Bill 1469.1'

Clerk O'Brien: HSenate Bill 1469. Choate. A Bill for aa

act making appropriation for the painting of the

portrait of the Honorable Paul Simon. Third Reading

of the Bi11.''

Speaker Barnes: HGentleman from Lake or is it Cook, Mr. -

Pierce. Lake.''

Pferce) HMr. Speaker, sentleman from Lake fs rfght. Thfs is

the appropriation, a traditional appropriation for

painting of a portrait of the former Lieutenant

Governor, Paul Simony who served in this House and

in the State Senate for..kn ..before a four year term

as lieutenant governors $2500 appropriation. I

move a favorable vote on Senate Bill 1469.11

Speaker Barnes: HThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Palmer.''

Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker, kf I can inqufre from the House Sponsor,

do we do thls for a1l the state officers or is this

something special?''

Pierce: ''Itfs traditional for the Governor or Lieutenant

Governor, and the Speaker of the Housey as you can

see in the gallery in front of us.lt

Palmer: ''Would this be for Lieutenant Governor?':

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Pierce: ''And now the Presldent of the Senate, since the

President of the Senate is no longer tbe Lieutenant

' Governor.''

Palmer: ''A1l riqht.''

speaker Barnes: ''Any further...''

Pierce: '' ue have Jack Walker in front of us as the Speaker

of the House.u

speaker Barnes: ''Any further discussion? The question is on

Senate Bill 1469. A11 those in favor will vote aye

and the opposed vote no. Have a11 voted who wish?

Take tbe record, Mr. Clerk. 0a this questfon there's

a 148 ayes and 1 nayy 5 voting present. And this

Bill receiving the constitutional majority is hereby

declared Passed. Senate Bill 1477.11

Clerk O'Brien: 'Y enate Bill 1477. Kenny Miller. A Bill for

t' n a c t . . . ''

speaker Barnes: ''Just a moment. Mr. clerk. 'Hr. Lechowicz..

for what reason do you arise?'' -

Lechowicz: ''I don't see the man on the floor, I ask th.em to

take it out of the record at thfs tfme.l'

Speaker Barnes: HTake it. Would you take that out of the

record, Mr. Clerk? Senate Bill 1265.11

Clerk O'Brien: Hsenate Bill 1265. Keller. A Bill for an w

act to provide for the ordinary and contipgent expens

of the Illinois Commerce Commission. Third Reading

of the Bill.M

Speaker B arne s : '' Th e Gentleman f rom Ef f f ngham y Mr . Keller . f' .

Kel 1er : ''Mr . Speaker and Ladie s and Gen tlemen o f the Ilouse ,

I mov e . . . w ou ld mov e t h e p r o p e r m o t i on t o lzl ov e th i s

B i11 back to œcond f or purpose of an Amendment .''

- S k e r B a r n e s : ' ' D o e s t h e G e n t 1 e' m a n h a v e 1 e a v e ? S e c o n dp e a

Reading . Mr . Clerk , would you read the Amendment :

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It obvfously involves the close cooperation of the

Illinois Bell Telephone Company.and the Ceneral

Telephone Coœpany in setting up nex kinds of systems.1

And since the Commerce Commissfon has dealt with them

and deals with them al1 the time, has a great fnteres

in the subject and has been working on it.. That

was'the reason why.they were selected.n

Pierce: ''And theylve agreed to this duty? The Commerce Com-

mission has agreed to...n

Katz: HYes, tbe Commerce Commission is very interested fn

this. They lfke the idea and th.ey are very anxious

to promote it as a devicerto enable cittzens ln the

state to get emergency help wherever they may be

located.f'

Pierce: nThat's fine because the moneyy I see, will come out

of the Public Dtility Fund and not the Ceneral Revenu

Taxpayer's Funds of the state. And I think that's

a good source of funds for this purpose and 1*11 .

support the Amendment.'' -

Katz: HYes, that was Mr. Lechowfcz's suggestion and we adopted

V 1X Z V * f î

Speaker Barnes: HThe Gentleman from Effingham, Mr. Kellery

1 ' f h discussion? Mr. Kellero''to c ose. Any urt er

Keller: MI move for the adoption of Amendment //2.'1

Speaker Barnes: HThe question is on the adoption of Amendment

//2 to Senate Bill 1265. Al1 those in favor by the

sound of aye; the opposed no. The Amendmen't's adopted.

Mr. Clerk, this Bi11 has been read a third time.

Mr. Keller, the Blllîs been read a third tlmez'

Keller: 'l/fr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

Senate Bill 1265 is the ordinary and contingency ex-

penses of the Illinois Commerce Commissfon. I ask

for a favorable vote.''

Speaker Barnes: ''Any discussion? The question is on Senate '

Bill 1265. Al1 those in favor indicate by voting aye;

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the opposed vote no. Have a11 voted who wish?

Take the record, Mr. Clerk. Giorgi, aye. On this

question there's a 154 ayes, 4 nazs and 1 voting

present. And this Bi11 having received the constf-

tutional majority is hereby declared passedv''

clerk Selcke: uHouse Bill 1266.1'

Speaker Barnes: l'Senate Bi11.H

Clerk Selcke: ''Or Senate Bill 1266. Stedelin. An act to

provide for the ordinary and contingent expense

Department'of Mines and Minerals. Third Reading

of the Bi11 . î'

Speaker Barnes: ''Mr. Stedelin on the floor? Mr. Kellery

' are you going to handle that? The Gentleman from

Effingham: Mr. Kellere''

Keller: ''Yes, this is the annual appropriation for the

Department of Mines and Minerals. I ask for a

favorable Roll Cal1.'''

11 . . .Speaker Barnes: Any discussion? Yçs, the Gentleman from .

i Z T (b r V ' ' W*P f) O r a y r * kl .

Tuerk: 'bllell, Hr. Speakery the last two Bflls the Sponsor

of these Bills hadn't even indicated what we're

talking about in terms of money. I would appreciate

knowing that much-''

Speaker Barnes: ''Mr. Sponsor, would you indicate that?'f

Keller: 'llust a minute and 1:11 get that...been revised.''

Speaker Barnes: ''The centleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz.''

Lechowicz: 'îThank you, Mr. Speaker, the ordinary and contingen

expenses in Senate Bi1l 1266 as submfttedy vas

$1,688,000. That was reduced by Amendment //1 by

$39:500. So it was an agreed Amendment in Commïttee

so the reflection would be the difference.''

Speaker Barnes: 'lls there any further discussion? The

question is on Senate Bill 1266. A11 tbose in favor

will vote aye; the opposed no. Have a1l voted who

wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. Giorgf. aye.

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Houlihan, aye. That's J. Houlihan. Neff: aye.

Mahar y aye . Deaver s > aye . . 0n thi s qu estion there ' s

15 6 a e s n o n a y s , n o p r e s e n t . An d t 1x 'i s B :L 11a y , .

Ihaving received the constitutional Dajority fs hereby

dectared passed. Senate Bill 1293.9'

clerk Selcke: Hsenate Bill 1293. Maragos. An act authorizip

the' Department of Revenue to make cerEatn refunds.

Third Reading of the Bil1.t'

Speaker Barnes: nGentleman from Cook, Mr. Maragos.''

Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the Eouse, the digestmf

Senate Bill 1293 explafns tbe purposes for which

it is passed and beipg submitted. What the thihgo..i

doesy it extends the time period.for payfng refunds

under the act authorizipg the Departnent of Revenue

to make certain refunds. Up 'til now because many

people are not aware that they can receive these

refunds for the extensfon...the tlme for July 1: 1974

to July 1, 1976. The Senate Amendm'ent corrected

by the state to have...put 1977 sg they cut tt doen

to two years. And I ask for your endorsement and '

passage.

Speaker Barnes: HIs there any discussion? The question is

on Senate Bi11 1293. A11 those in favor will vote

aye; tbe opposed vote no. Have a11 voted who wish? '

Take the record, Mr. Clerk. On this question there's

a 157 ayes, no nays, no voting present. And this

Bill having recetved the constituttonal majority is

bereby declared passed. Senate Bill 1246.î'

Clerk Selcke: HSenate Bill 1246. A Bill for an act to amend

the Agricultural Fair Act. Third Reading of the Bi11.

1246 is Ryan.l'

' Speaker Barnes: ''Thank you. Nr. Ryan. The Gentleman from

Kankakee, Mr. Ryan.''

Ryan: HWe11, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House. senate Bill 1246 raises the base of

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97.

afd to county fairs by 20: and raises aid to

4-11 Clubs fron five to six dollara per member.

And I would move for passpge of Senate Bill 1246.:1

speaker Barnes: ''Is there any discussion? The Gentleman from

cook, Mr. Lechowfcz.ll

Lechowicz: ''I'm wondering if the Sponsor' would be agreeable

to just take this Bill out of the record temporarily7

Thank you.''

Ryan: HYes take it out.''

Speaker Barnes: HWould you take it out of the record, Mr.

Clerk? Senate Bi11 1550. 1-5-5-0.1'

Clerk Selcke: ''Senate Bi11 1550. A Bfl1 for an act to amend

the Illinois Pension Code. Third Readfng of the

B1l1.''

Speaker Barnesr ''The Gentleman from cook. Mr. Wolf.''

Wolf: HMr. Speaker: Members of the House, this Bill extends

the current $200 a month pensfon for wfdows of down- -

state firemen...to policemen. rather. To widows

whose husbands died'before last Bills...last year's

Bills establishing thfs minfmum went into effect.

This Bi1l passed the Senate 48 te nothfng. Came

ouL of Committeey 15 - 0. And I would ask for your

favorable vote.''

Speaker Barnes: HIs there any discussion? The question, theny

is on Senate Bill 1550. A11 those fn favor will vote

aye and the opposed will vote no. Have a11 voted

who wish? Mr. Leinenweber, aye. Take the record,

Mr. Clerk. Mr. Mann, aye. 0n this question there's

a 159 ayes, no nays, no present. And this Bi1l

having received the constitutional majority is hereby

declared passed. Senate Bill 1284.,'

Clerk Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1284. An act making an appropria-

tion to the Department of Finance. Third Reading

of the Bill.H

Speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman from Cooky Mr. Lechowiczv ''

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98,

h wicz: HThank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladie's and CentleDen ofLec o

the House, Senate Bill 1284 is the approprfatfon. *

of $720,000 for the Department of Finance' for data

processing services...provided for the Members of

. the ceneral Assembly.''

speaker Barnes: l'Any discussion? The Gentleman from Kanakee,

Mr. Ryan.'' '

Ryan: ''I wonder, Mr. Lechowfcz, would you hold that Bill for

just a few minutes?l' .

Speaker Barnes: ''Mr. Lechowicz.'l

Lechowicz: I'Well, if you want me to explain ft, 1111 be aore

than happy to explain it.''

Ryan: ''No, I#d like to have you hold it for a few minutes.'l'

Lechowicz : ''Fine . ''

Ryan : ''Thank you . ''

speaker Barnes: ''Take it out of the record, Mr. Clerk. Senate *'

B i 11 13 5 0 . '' -

Clerk Selcke: MSenate Bi1l 1350. A Bi11 for an act making-

supplcmental appropriation to the ordinary and

contingent expense to the Department of Local Covern-

ment Affairs. Third Reading of tbe Bfl1.H

Speaker Barnes: HThe Gentleman from Cooky Mr. Giglio.''

Giglio: MMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this .

supplemental appropriated, as amendedy in the digest

it was $50,200. It's been amended to $49,000 to the

Department of Local Government Affairs. And the

reason for the Amendment is that it's an additional

appropriation to the Property Tax Board of Appeals

to take care of tbe people that have contested their

tax bills. From 1972 they have approximately 700

' people contest their taxes. And in ,173 - '74 there

were approxfmately 5800 people that contested their

taxes. So they had to employ two additional apprais-

ers and an assessor which put an additional burden

on the Tax Board of Appeals and the additional

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JUN 2 1 19j '

99.

appropriation is appropriate. So I would ask the

favorable support of' the Hou'sev'f

Speaker Barnes: HAny discussfon? Then the equestion is onl

Senate Bi11 1350. A11 tbose ln favor will vote aye;

the opposed no. Have 'all voted who wish? Jusi a

minute. Tbe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Hyde: ''Wel1, thank you, Mr. Speaker, regret I didn't get

a chance to ask the Chief Sponsor a question. But

as heard hïm, he said something like 1500,peop1e

filed their taxes under protest?''

Giglio: 'lNoy the first year there were approximately 700.

And the followtng year it went up to 5800, approximat

fncrease of 1500 people.''

Hyde: ''Five thousand, eight hundred people filed their taxes

under protest?n

Giglio: ''Right.''

Hyde: ''I thought they were a11 railroads that did that.. I'm

happy to vote aye for this.''

Speaker Barnes: ''Have a11 voted who wish? Take the record,

Mr. Clerk.' On this question there's a 159 ayes, l

nay, 3 voting present. And this Bill having received

the constitutional majority is hereby declared passed

Senate Bf11 1354.''

Clerk Selcke: MSenate Bill 1354. An act making an appro-

priation to State Treasurer for payment of interest

on retirement of state bond indebtedness. Third

Reading of the Bi11.''

Speaker Barnes: ''Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Kennedy.''

Kennedy: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of Lhe House,

Senate Bill 1354, and I think you better give me your

attention, because werre goïng to spend considerable

money here. make.s approprfatfon to State Treasure

for debts covering the fiscal year ending June the

30th 1975 as follows. Public Welfare Building Bonds:

$8,400,000. University Building Bonds, $10,840,000.

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IJUN 2 4 1574 '1

!100.

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Antf-pollution Bonds, $8,510,000. Transportation1

Bonds Series Ay $3,907:500. Transportation BondsI .

Series E, $12,.9.37. And Capital Development Bondsa1 .J

$26,828. Tbese Bills came out of the Appropriationsl hout a negatlve

..committee after extensive hearfng w1t

vote and I would appreciate your favorable vote on

these Bills.l'

Speaker Barnes: 'Q s there any discussion? The Gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Palmer.'' '

Palmer: HIf the Sponsor will yield? I don't have a Bill' in

front.of me, whatls the total amount of fnterest

that we're payipg, if it's set out in the Bf1l.N

Kennedy: 'lWe11, I donlt have the total amouat of interest

figured up on the Bill but 1...':

Speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr...n

Kennedy: 'Q ..Each item. Item on the principley 6,000.000

and the interest is 2,400,000. Item 2 is 7:800.000

interest is 10,048,000...''. ' -

Speaker Barnes: HMr. Kennedy. The èentleman from Grundyy -

Mr. Washburn, do you have some...'î

Kennedy: to tem 3 is, principle is 4,000,000 and the interest

is 4,510,000. And Item Section 5 is 800,000 and

the principle is 3,107.500 dollars. Sectlon 6,

$7,200,000 and the interest is $5,737,000. And item

7 the principle is $12,000,000 and the fnterest is

$14,828:000.1'

Speaker Barnes: 'lAnd the Gentleman from Cooky Mr. Lechowicz.''

Lechowfcz: f'Thank you, Mr. Speaker.' To answer the...Repre-

sentative Palmerfs question. The principle fs

$42.200,000, the interest is $45.396,000 for a total

of $87,596,000 which is qontained in this budget.''

Palmer: 'fls that the principle that bas to be pafd off in the

'75 fiécal year?l'lcurrent

Lechowicz: ''Yes sir.''

Palmer: Hlihat's the...do we have a figure on the total amount

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I JUN 2 4 1074 .I

. 101.

of indebtedness? The total indebtedness, bonded

indebtedness to the State of Illlnois, do you have

that figure? Just as a point of imformatioa.l'

Lechowicz: nAs of July ly 1974, the principle is $861,400,000.

The interest is $342,609,700. For a total of .

$1,304,009,700.'.

Palmer: HThank you very much.l'

Speaker Barnes: HThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Maragos.''

Maragos: Qlr. Speakery although this does not have anything...

the question that I would lfke to ask the Sponsor

could...probably could be answered either by Mr.

Washburn or Mr. Lechowicz better because this is of

generally...to do with thfs particular debt...indebt-

edness. On the Capital Development Board and the

Capital Development Bondsy are they normally...does

this include any appropriatfons that are going to be

given...passed by the House and sfgned by the Gover-

nor...of both Houses and signed by the Governor thi: .

year? Or is this only be for the interest that ha-d

already been alloted?''

Speaker Barnes: ''Mr. Lechowicz: can you answer that?îî

Maragos: MDo you understand my question?''

Lechowicz: HI'm sorry, Sam, would you repeat it, I was...

came on the....''

Maragos: î'Yeah. These are appropriations for the debt service

this is prlmarily for the debt service, is that for

what's already been appropriated or passed for the

fiscal year '75...would there. be a need for additiona

appropriation at a later date after the dust settles

from this year's activitfes?'l

Lechowicz: HWe11, it depends on how many bonds they sell this

yeary that's how you...anticipate your debt service,

Sam. This is as of...these are the outstandfng bond

series as has been sold as of this date.''

Maragos: ''AII right.''

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Speaker B.arnes: nTbe Gentleman from Grundy, Mr. Washburn.''

Washburn: HMr. Speaker; I was Just going to state that this

Bill was amended in the Senate to Xnclude fiscal 175

projection.''

Speaker. Barnes: PThe Gentleman from' Madfson, Mr. Kennedyy'

to close. Is there any further discussion? The

Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Kennedy, to close.''

Kennedy: HWe1ls Mr. Speakery I1d just appreciate a favorable

vote from the House.''

Speaker Barnes: HThe question fs on Senate Bill 1354. A11

those in favor will vote aye; the opposed will vote

no. Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record, Mr.

Clerk. Polk, aye. Keller, aye. Huskeyy aye. On

this question there's a 159 ayes: no nays, none

voting present. And thfs Bf11 having received the

constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. .

senate Bill 1355.9î

Clerk Selcke: HSenate Bill 1355. An act to appropriate t . '

balances for Public Acts and so forth for' payhent of

interest and retirement of state bonded indebtedness.

Third Reading of the Bi11.''

Speaker Barnes: nThe Centleman from Madison, Mr. Kennedy.

Mr. Kennedy. 1355.':

Kennedy: 11We11, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House: pardon me for the delay but I was checking

with my counsel back there; 1355 re-appropriates

from State Treasurer for debt services prior to July

1, 1974, a total.of $6,655,119,00.64. I...appreciate

your favorable vote on these Bills.î'

Speaker Barnes: 'sls there any dfscussion? The question is

on Senate Bill 1355. A11 those in favor will vote

aye and the opposed will vote no. Have a11 voted

who wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Hudson,

aye. caldwell, aye. Barry, aye. Kempinersy aye.

On tbis questton there's a l50 ayes, no nays, none

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voting present. And this Bill h'aving received '

the constitutional malority is hereby declared

passed. Senate Bill 1359.'6 '

Clerk Selcke; ''senate Bill 1359. An act to provlde for the '

ordinary and contengent expenses Environmental Pro-

tection Agency. Third Reading of the Bi1l.1'

Speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Schneider.''

Schneider: 1'I think, Mr. Clerk, itls not the ordinary and

contingent expenses it's merely a transfer of

$29,000 within the Agency to...social security and

it's a small amounty $29,165 for the Water Pbllu-

tion Control Division..And twelve, five for the

Air Pollution Control. I solicit your support.''

Speaker Barnes: l'Any discussion? The question is on

Senate Bi11 1359. A11 those in favor will vote aye;

and the opposed will vote no. Have a11 voted who -'- wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk.' Ryan: aye.'

On this Bill there's a 157 ayes, 2 nays, none ans-

wering present. And this Bill havfng received the

' constitutional majority is hereby declared passed.

Senate Bill 1476.'1

Clerk Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1476. A Bill for an act to amend/

the Personnel Code. Third Readfng of the Bil1.H

speaker Barnes: HThe Lady from Cook, Mrs. Macdonald.''

Macdonald: HMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey

I would llke to ask your support of this particular

Bi11. Last year, Governor Walker issued an execu-

tive order establishing an Affirmatfve Action Program

' to encourage the various minority groups fn the state

And, of course, one group was conspicuously adlltted

from this order, they were the physically and ment-

ally handïcapped. Representatfve Juckett has done

a great deal of research on this particular Bill and

on thts partfcular situation. And I would like to

have hfm share in the equal Sponsorshfp of our Bi11.

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So I would like to yield my tfme to Representative'

jjJuckett to have him further describe the Bf1l. ;

speaker Barnes: ''Any...is there any discuss'ion? Mrs.1

Macdonald to close.''

Macdonald: ''We1l, I would ask for your support of thfs Bfll.''

speaker Barnes: D0n this question, on Senate Bt11 1476,

those in favor will vote aye and the opposed no.

Have a1l voted who wish? Take the recordy Mr.

Clerk. On this Bill there's a 153 ayes, no naysz

, 1 voting present. And this Bill havipg received

the constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. Senate Rill 1081.1'

Clerk Selcke: HSenate Bill 1081. An act making an appro-.

priation to construction, operation of educational

television statfon Western Illinois Universfty.

Third Reading of the Bi11.1' -

Speaker Barnes: 1fMr. Neff.''

Neff: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker Ladies and Gentlemen of the' . -> >

House: Senate Bi11...may I take...èlr. Speakery may

I have permission to take...''

Speaker Barnes: ''Turn on Mr. Neffy please.'l

Neff: H Companion Bills.n

S p e a k e r B a r n e s : '' Y e s , 10 8 1 a n d 10 8 3 , Mr . N e f f ? ''

N e f f : '' Y e e; I '

Speaker Barnes: ''Does he has leave? Does the Gentleman have

leave? Leave has been granted. Nr. Clerky would

o u r e a d l 0 8 3 . 1'y

clerk Selcke : ''Senat e Bill 1083 . An ac t authorizing Wes tern

Illinois University construct and operate an non-

commercial educational television station and so

forth. Third Reading of the Bi11.H

Speaker Barnes: HMr. Neff.''

Neff: HThank you. Senate Bflls 1081 and 1083 are companion

Bills. 1081 is the appropriation for educational

TV statton for...to be located at Western University

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at Macomb. Now I want to call attention, this

Bill, originallyy was $800,000 but ït has been

amended to $90,000. This will per'mit the buyfng .

of the groundy doipg the legal and engineeripg

work. And by doipg this, this will permit them

to apply for some federal help. Without this the

ground and engineeripg work, they cannot apply for

federal help. This will...covers about 17 counties

in the area of ForgottoAia which some of you have

heard about. .And this Bill passed Appropriation

Committee without any dissenting vo'tes. Mr.

Speaker, 1111 be glad to answer any questions and

w111 appreciate a favorable vote.îf

Speaker Barnes: lo s there any discussion? The Gentleman

frcm Cook, Mr....DuPage, I'm sorry, Mr. Schneider.n

Schneider: ''AII right: thank youy distinguished Speaker. .

Clarence, on public television one of my fear. is

simply that when the state begins to fund those ' . -

kinds of programs they also seem to carry with it

a kind of a censorship authority that we have seen

occurring on the federal level and how it has af-

fected Channel 11 in Chicago. So my real feary

and I don't know if itfs included in the Bill and

I apologize for not having a copy of it. I want

to know what kind of regulations the state is going

to impose on that publfc television, I would prefer

that there will be none. I would prefer that

Western Illinois. if it's zoinz to trulv conduct

a public television station. be Riven the opportunitv

to make a determination as to what kinds of progxams.

without state interference. in terms of monev. Now

I'm sure, it's probably not spelled out in the Bill

but'is there anv kind of fndication. as you under-

stand it. whether or not there will be that kind of

freedom and that latitude qiven to them without us

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Rettina involved in those kinds 'of decisions?''

Neff; ''Representative. I'm sorrv that there isn't anvthinn

i th e B':t 11 t'ha t wo u1d s p e 11 t lla t o u t . I ' think i t 1 sn

a verv zood question to brinq up and hopefully that

the state would noL interfere on telliaa what thev

could do and what they could not do. I would hope

that the zovernment would not interfere into this.

Now we have many of these stations. Thfs happens

to be one area that has no TV educational about '#

17 counties would be affected by this and it would

be operated similar to the carbondale and many other

places where they bave educatfonal TV.N

Schneider: ''We11, I would hope youlre right and 1:11 take

your word for it. Thank you.''

Speaker Barnes: ''The Gentlenan from Dupage, Mr. Hudson-''

Hudson: ''Would the Sponsor yield for a question?'l *'

Speaker Barnes: 'îHe indicates that he wïl1.D

Hudson: HClarencey I'm interested in whether this is inno--

vative, whether there are other examples you can

point to of this type thing. Is this a new experi-

X1 C R C ? ' '

Neff: HNo, it isn't. I can give it to you but...but I've

seen the charts on it, this is one of the few areas

that isn't covered by this. I think that...l'm

pretty sure at DeKalb they have it, somebody else.

might answer that but...and you may know, Ray. I

believe they have educational TV at DeKalb. I know

they have it at Carbondale and it's been established

in several areas at state universities.''

Hudson: ''Well, I'm just wondering about the proliferation of

' this idea. I don't know that...l'm just wondering

about the type of programs, Clarence, that's all.

And these, after all, are going to be at taxpayer's

expense. I don't know too much about the programs

that are already being shown, maybe you do. And

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. . .or what they propose herey I am interested in

what...what' type of programs mlgbt be put on and

what the taxpayer would be asking to be supported.fî

Neff: HRay, these would be strictly educational programs

as I understand it and talk to the people, they would

be adult educatioa as well as for younger people.

And it's strictly educational proarams and many

dffferent subjects, the same as they're teaching

certain subjects that are taught ïn college would

be broadcast through the week.''

Palmer: ltWelly would the $90:000 we talking about. then would

there be federal funds as a result of this...''

Neff: HYes, there would be federal funds...''

Palmer: '' Seed money.''

seff: 'Q ..lnvoved, Ray, and this would permit them to go ahead

and apply for some federal help.''

Palmer: HI wondered if...1 wondered if the feds, theny would *'

- have any regulations or strings atrached to the money

they might put into such educational programs?'' -

Neff: HWe11, to my knowledge they do not, Ray. That...I can't

answer that for certain but I do not believe that

they have regulations.''

Palmer: ''Thank you very much, Clarence.''

Speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Peters.''

Feters: ''hr. Speaker, I move the previous question.''

Speaker Barnes: ''The previous question has been moved. A11

those in favor say aye; opposed no. The ayes have

it. Mr. Peters...Mr. Neff to close.ll

Neff: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladles and Gentlemen of the House,

just in closfng 1:11 say Lhat this is very lmportant

for this area and I want to emphasize again this is

one of the very few areas that doesn't have educa-

tional TV. This would cover about 17 counties in

that area. Andy again, since we don't have too many

roads and so forth over there we'd like to have a

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I' ' chance for the people to get some extra education

where they can't drive to it. ihank you.'l' speaker Barnes: ''The question is on Senate %i11 1081. A11

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those in...and Senate Bill 1083. Al1 those in favor

' will vote aye and the opposed no. Tbe Gentleman

from cook, Mr. Palmer.'l

Palmer: ''To explain my no vote, Mr. Speakery I would have

liked to ask some questions. One, is îihether or not

it was an educational television system is under the

Federal Communications Act, I should have liked to

have known how much ft would these people of the

State of Illinois às Eönfts fn full operation. And

I think these are very important matters because if

the cost gets too great it would seem to me that

perbaps education fs going in the wrong direction,

certainly in the fteld of private enterprise where -

it should stay. And for those reasons Ifm voting

tr .nO. .

Speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman from Will, Mr. Leinenweberv''

Leinenweber: HThank you: Mr. Speaker, I likewise would like

to explain my no vote. I think Representative

' Schnefder...hit the nail on the head when he asked

if there was going to be any controls, and apparently

there arenft gofng to be any. Well, I say. if they'r

gofng to expend public money there probably ought

to be some controls because I don 't thfnk they ought

to be spendfng public dollars to push fn the realm

of free speech and academic freedoms certain ideasl

the Reneral public might not accept. Therefore. I

think but however I do agree that such an educational

program ought to be freely run; ought to be in tbe

realm of academic freedom and ought to be involved

witb free speech. And I think the only way to assure

this is to rely on voluntary funding. And...youeve

seeny it's been charged anyway as far as Channel 11

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pgree with some of the stuff I've seen on Channeli .

i 11y but:it's been charged, that by' acceptipg federal

funds and so forth that the free activfty and free-:

dom of speech is somewhat stifled. So I would sug-

gest we really take a look at thfs and put a no

vote up there-''

speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman from Madison, Mr. Calvo.'''

'' d kf the Sponsor would yield for a question?''Calvo: I won er

Speaker Batnes: HWe11y Mr. Calvo, we are on an explanatfon

of votesa I think we should put it to him in that

11Way...

Calvo: ''Really?lê

speaker Barnes: u...On explanation of vote.''

Calvo: f'Let me...let me explain my vote, then, and maybe he

can explain his or something. We had this Bf11 and -

I one I had last year ln the House Interim Study Calen-'' :

I dar Comaittee. And it was my understanding that w'hat '

ever happened to Westernrs TV station would happen

to mfne but it looks like there was some kind of a

slip between the horse and the wagon because mine

i h re and now we have a new Senate Bill whichs now e

takes care of Western Illinois University. And maybe:

the Sponsor can comment in explaining hfs vote on

what went wrong.u

Speaker Barnes: ''Gentleman from Henderson, Mr. Neff.'l

Neff: HRepresentative Calvo, the Bill that you were speakfng

of, House Bills, that we sponsored are still there.

These were Senate Bills that passed out of the Senate

last year and went to the Rules Committee and then

' through Approprfations. They've been through Educa-

tional but not to Appropriation and did go to the

Appropriation tbis year. They were the, as you spoke

of, they were the same Bills except these were

Senate Bills sponsored last year by the Senate.''

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Icalvo: ''We11y Mr.. Speaker, Just briefly to further explain

my vote, it seehs Cl'arence was àble to 'do D' ore for

his universftv than I was for mine. But on the

strength that he'll help De next year 1111 give

him a. gr een l*gll t he r'e . 11 .

speaker Barnes: ''Tbe Gentleman from Cbampaign, Mr. Clabaugh.''

Clabaugh: î'Wells Mr. Speakery I was just gofng to say some-

thing in favor of the Bill but wetve got enough

votes up there so that's it/N

Speaker Barnes; HHave a1l voted who wish? The Gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Ewell.l'

Ewell: 11Wi11 the Sponsor yield to a question7t'

Speaker Barnes: ''Mr. Ewelly welre on explanation of votes.

And he's explained his vote. Have a11 voted who' %

wiah? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. on these two

Bills therefs 11l ayesy 17 no, 15 voting present.

And these two Bills having received the constituv'.skt-

tional majority is hereby declared passed. Senate

Bill 1381.1,

Clerk Selcke: HSenate Bill 1381. An act making appropriation

to the ordinary and contingent expense Illinois

Fire Protection Personnel Standards and Education

Commission. Third Reading of the Bi11.'1k

Speaker Barnes: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Terzich.''

Terzich: ''Thls fs a good Bill. I'd lfke to have a good vote.

'Thank you.''

Speaker Barnes: 'Q didn't hear. I#m sorry, Mr. Terzich: I'm

sorry I was distracted. Okay. Is tbere any dis-

cussion? The question is on Senate Bill 1381. A1l

ln favor will vote aye and the opposed vote no. The

Lady from Dupage, Mrs. Dyer.''

Dyer: ''I just wanted to ask what the Bi11 does.f'

Speaker Barnes: HMr. Terzich, would you lfke to explain to

Representative Dyer a little bit about the Bi11?''

Terzich: ''This is the appropriation for tbe Fire Protectton

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Personnel Commissionuv.Educatiop' Co'amfssion. For

ii t ea ch ing of f fre d e par t'men t's throukh th e en t iret e .

' state of Illinois.'' '

k ' Barnes: ''Have al1 voted who wish? Take the recordspea er ,

' Mr. Clerk. 0h this Bills there's a 132 ayesy 3

noss l voting present. And tbis Bi11 havipg received

the constitutional majority is hereby declared passed.

Senate Bill 1394. Huskey, aye.'l;

clerk Selcke; HSenate Bi11 13...''

Sp eaker B a'rnes : ''Wadd e11 , aye . ''

Clerk Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1394. An act making an appropria-

tion Superfntendent of Public Instruction. Third

Reading of the Bi11.N

Speaker Barnes: HThe centleman from Dupage, Mr. Hoffman.îî

Hoffman: HMr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen of tbe Housey this

is the Senate version of the full funding Bill for .

the...tunintelliglblel...for state aid. This Bill

. appropriates $1,075,000,000. I appreciate your ' . '

t 1, 'suppor .

Speaker Barnes: l'Is there any discussion? The Gentleman

. from Cook, Mr. Maragos.'l

Maragos: nI'd lfke to ask...will the Sponsor yield to a

question?''

Speaker Barnes: d'He indicates he will.''

Maragos: HWhat do the Senate Amendments do?l'

; Hoffman: ''This...this is the Senate versiony there are no

Amendments. It's a billion, seventy-five million.''I

Maragos: ''We11, according to the digest on May 28th, says

Amendment //1.1'

Hoffman: HI'm sorry, I was just looking at the Bill. It

reduced it from a billiony eighty-two million seven

hundred thousand to a billion, seventy-five million

conformity to our projections of total cost for the

. next fiscal year.''

Maragos: ''Was that Amendment approved by the office of OSPI

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Hoffman : MYes.''

Maragos: ''A11 right. It's not where the other Amendments

will be put on later on in certain areas here?'' '

Hoffman: l'This..othis conforms it with the Bill that weVve

alreadv passed out of here to House Bills.î'

Maragos: ''And it has nothing to do with bilingual education?''

Roffman: 1'No, this has to do with general distributfve funds.''

Maragos: 'lThank you.''

Speaker Barnes: ''Mr. Barry. I'n sorry. Mr. Bradley.''

Bradley: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, a question of the Sponsor.

What is the amount of the additional money over what

we appropriated last ypar, Gene?''

Hoffman: nRight off the top of my head, we appropriated...

the Governor signed $90,000,000: we put a supple-

mental of niney twèlve and a half, this wfll make -'

- it a.hundred and sixty-two and a half millioné

dollar increase.fî

Bradley: HSo we have ninety and nine additionaly nine and a

half. We#re almost a billion dollars with last

4 ltyear S...

é ,1 4 . r ' fHo fman: We.re at a billion, no: we re beyond that. We re

at a billiony seventy-five million.''

Bradley: 'Yeah, but we''re abour'a seventy-five million addi-

tional new funds?''

Hoffman: ''We're. .no, welre at a...no, no, wefre a hundred

and sixty-two and a half million new.''

Bradley: HThank you.n

Speaker Barnes: HIs there any further discussion? Mr.

Hoffman to close. Mr. Hoffman to close.l'

Hoffman: IQ appreciate your support.''

Speaker Barnes: HThe question fs on Senate Bill 1394. Al1

those in favor vote aye and the opposed vote no.

Have a11 voted who wish? Take...take the recordy

Mr. Clerk. Mr. Hudson, aye. Martiny aye. Neffs aye

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Totten, aye. Jones, aye. Emil Jones. Mann aye.?

Would you al1 step up to the fron't please? Bluth-

ardt, aye. 0n this question there's l56 ayes, no

nays, none voting present. And this Bill kaving

received the conbtitutional majority is hereby de- '

clared passed. Senate Bill 1237.1'

Clerk Selcke:. ''Senate Bill 1237. An act to .enlarge corporate

limits Metropolitan Sanitary Distrfct. Third Read-

ing of the Bi1l.''

Speaker Barnes: nThe Gentleman from Cook. Mr. Mahar.l'

Mahar: 'fTbank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House: Senate Bill 1237 enlarges the corporate

limits of the Metropolitaa Sanitary District by

adding certain land in the Village of Madison. 'It

allows for a backdoor referendum. This Bill has been

requested by the corporate authority of the village

and 1 urge...move for its adoptfon.'l - *'

- Speaker Barnes: nIs there any discussion? The questfoh is

on Senate Bill 1237. A11 those in favor will vote

aye and the opposed vote no. Have a11 voted wbo '

wish? Take the record, Mr. Clerk. Redmond, aye.

Yourell: aye. 0n this question there's l50 ayes,

no nays, none voting present. And this Bill having

received the constitutional majority is hereby de-

clared passed. Senate Bill 1240. Lauer is not

'here? Senate Bill...take that out of the record...

Senate Bill 1612.11

Clerk Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1612. A Btll for an act to amend

the Northeastern Illinois Planning Act. Third Read-

1ng of the Bil1.''

Speaker Barnes: HThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mahar. 1612.

Mr. Mabar.l'

Mahar: î'Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Housey Senate Bill 1612 adds the Northeasterq 111-

inois Planning Act. It authorizes for the creation

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of a Bi-state Commission which ls compltmentary to

NIPC and NERPC in Indiana. It provides for the

appointment of six members to the f ommission fromt

Illinofs; two appointed by the Governor, 2 by the

layor of the city of Chicagox 2 by thp Commission

both of whom are local elected officials. Six are

also appointed by their... .by Indiana. Efght are

required for a quorum. Because of the lack of a

ride...of a wide policy mechanfsm for comprehensive

planning which has beea requested by the federâl

government certifications have been. held up from

time to time. This is an attempt to solve that

problem. This particular Bill represents a compro-

mise between the Covernorls staffy the City of Chica-

go, the NIPC Cowalssion. It operates in the frame-

work of NIPC as all of the members are NIPC members

N'ho serve at the pleasure of the appointing authority

It reviews and makes recommendations on prpgrams of

biregional significance and I urge your support.f'-

Speaker Barnes: 'Q s there any discussionz The Gentleman

from Dupage, Mr. Hudson.''

Hudson: HWould the Sponsor yield for some questions?l'

Speaker Barnes: nHe indicates he will.''

Hudson: ''Representative, we have witnessed the establishment

of NIPC, we're in the process of witnessfng the es-

tablishment of a Regional Transportation Authority.

Would not this Bistate Plannfng Agency constitute a

sort of super...superplanning agency which would

overlay the two that we already have?''

Mahar: HNos I donît think it would. Actually, the federal

government has decreed or requfred that in areas

wbere funds are used to cross state boundaries there1

. must be a bistate commfssion of...appointed to review

the particular amounts of money. And, ff necessary

for the State of Illinois, to receive funds not only1

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in transportation but in flood control and other

areas to have this Bistate Commissyon appointed.t':

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Hudson: l'Wel1, Bil1. I never noticed...according to the B111

itself as I read itz among its duties is to adopt

public plais, policiesy.programs and activities of

bir'egional significance. Now it would seem to me

that the RTA is interested in 'plans and programs

of biregional significance. And here comes another

planniag agencyy the Bistate Plannfng Agency, which

is interested fn the same thïpg. And it seems ac-#

cording to the Bill, to serve as the plannipg policy

body for biregional matters. And it's hard for me

to understand how RTA, or how NIPC, could do much

wtthout the approval of the Bistate Planntng Agency.'

4 ,That s where I suggest that maybe it s a super...

another layer ofngovernment here whfch we can be* y,concerned about, made up of appointees again. .

Mahar: ''We11, 1et me go back a minute and say that youîll -

recall I stated earlier that the members of the

Commission are also members of NIPC. And youlll find

that they are part of the NIPC organizatfon and so

rather than having a agency superimposey as was earl-

ier suggested, this...these people are part of the

overall .agency and they become the necessary require-

ment for the 1=95 Review of Federal Funds coming into

. . .1n the State of Illfnois vhere the State of In-

diana is involved. I thfnk we#re talking about the

RTA...at least ites my fnterpretatfon 'of the RTA '

at tbe present time. Werre not talking about a bi-

state operation. Or maybe sometime in the future'

we Dight be talking about bistate but at least at

the moment I don't think we are.''

Hudson: fqlould the bistate plannfng...would the bistate plan-

ing.-.am I on?''

Speaker Barnes: ''Just a moment: Mr. Hudson.''

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116.

Hudson: ''Would the Bistate Planning Commission have the '

authority to enter into contractual agreeaents with.

Indianas Sayy and Illinoisz' .I

Mahar: ''Itîs my understanding that they have the review over

' how the funds are goipg to be allocated. Bear in '

mind that this is a 12 man commission. It requires

8 to take any particular action. So in any action

that you have you must have at least two from the

other state. This is merely to move the federal

fundss requirement of the federal government, in

order to receive approval of this agency is required.

And I think that the structure that bas finally been

agreed upon after great deliberation is one that

eliminates this level of government theybre thinking

about which is something that will miminize NIPC

NERPC in their own riRht.'' '

- Hudson: ''We11, Bill, I asked the question because tbe Bi11,

itselfs in Section 37.3 under Powers, Article XII> ' -

i v e s i t t h e p ow e r t o e n t e r i n t o a g r e e m e n' t 5: i t h i n

th e agency o r a uni t of s t a t e o r l oca 1 g overnmen t

o f I 1 l in o i s o r I p d i an a > e t c e t e r a : e t c e t e r a . T h a t ' s

why I asked you if this agency had the power to enter

into contractual agreements. The way I read the

',1il1 it would seem to have that power. Now tbe

Attorney Ceneral bas indicated that NIPC, ltself,

as a commission, does not have that power. This came

out on June 7 and I have the article here. So that

NIPC doesn't have the power. I wonder how the Bi-

state Planning Agencies have any such power?''

Mahar: fîWell we have a recent opinion just in the last couple

of weeks from the Attorney General in whfch he re-

commends that thts the proper approach to this type'

of an operation. In other words, he says that as

opposed a group appointed by the government directly.

or a group that would be separate apart from NIPC

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this would be the appropriate way. I'm sorry I

donît have his.t.a copy of his letter here but

' this is the Jist of ft.'' .

Speaker Barnes: d'The Centleman from Cooky Mr. Giglio.n .

Giglio: 11A11 right, this...would the Sponsor yield? Repre-

sentative Mahar: does this thing have to be approved

by Congress, this Commission?''

Mahar: ''By congress? No.'f '

Giglio: ''Is there any monetary reward for, or feey for these

people that serve on this board?''

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Giglio: HSo there won't be any appropriation from the Illinois

General Assembly to have this Commission functfon?''

Mahar: ''These..vthese gentlemen are people wbo already now

servfng on tbe...on NIPC Commission and tbey are

members of the...the 25 members of NIPC, two of wbich

are appointed by the Governor, two by the mayor of ' -

- the city of Chicago and two are local elected 'offi-

cials coming out of the NIPC group. They comprised .

! the group that will review projects that involve

j federal funds across state lines and give their

appraval as part of the NIPC organizatioln workfng

in concert with NIPC itself.''

Speaker Barnes: 'Qhe Gentleman from Kane: Mr. Friedland.l'

Friedland: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey

' I move the previous question.''

Speaker Barnes: HThe previous question has been moved. A11

those in favor say aye; the opposed no. Mr. Mahar

to close. To closey Mr. Mabar.l'

Mahar: nThank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just like to say that

this. if wefre going to receive federal funds for

bfstate projects it's going to be necessary to adopt

thfs particular Bill. There's been a great deal of

discussion and I think the thing was approached

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118.

with the Governorts staff, with tke mayor's staff

and the NIPC Commission. In diàcussfng a1l aspects

of the proposal and reach an agreement in which a11

agree that this fs the appropriate and proper way

and theylre a11 satisfied. So I think we have a good

agreement, that's a necessary part, thatls ioportant

to us as far as gettipg tbe federal funds are con-

cerned. And if we don't do this we probablv won't

be certified on major projects. So I urge your'

ltsupport.

Speaker Barnes: ''The question is on Senate Bi1l 1612. A11

those fn favor will vote ave and the opposed no.

The Gentleman from DupaRe. Mr. Hudson. to explain

his vote. Mr. Hudson.l'

Hudson: ''We11. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House. I hooe that Representative Mahar knows that

1 have zreatest respect for him as a Reoresentative

and for the inteeritv and the zood intentions that -

he brines to the floor of thfs House for this Bi11Q

But in mv ooinion. thfs is Biz Brother Covernment

agafn. And I mfght call your attention to something

that appeared in one of our metropolitan newspapers

in Chicago about the Bistate Agency.and among other

things the article states that the Bistate Agency

was demanded by federal officïals who were concerned

about the quality of regfonal plannfng in the eight

countfesy Chicago-Gary regiony as a condition for

federal...continued federal assfstance foy a wide

range of urban programs. I1m gofpg to submit to you

my colleagues on the floor of this House that tf we

don't take a careful look at this Bi11; and if we go

along with this Bistate Plannfng Agency too readily

what we are really voting for fs another layer of

government subject to the dictates and to the wflls

of the federal government. Now ff we wantw ..if we

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119.

want to come down here as State Leglslators and

continue to pass legislation which. will undercut our

own preroaatives, .; which will und erc-ut our own rev

sponsfbilities to the people, which wîll undercut

our ability to control in any way the taxes', et cet-

eras that our constituents expect then we wfll con-

tinue to vote for these supergovernaental agencfes.

But surely this is another case of t%e federal:

government demaading that somethtpg be done. And

ùhat is to be done is to create a supergovernmental

agency more easfly or controlled by the federal

government. And I will say that this fs a step away

from state sovereigncyz it is an erosion of our

federal system, and if w: continue to do thfs we will

fir.d, truly, that this country is divided into region

controlled by the federal government and not our .

btate Legislatures whatsoever. So I ask youy my

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colleagues, to think of this Bi11 and what weere . -

doing at this stage of the game....ltapelûv.great

deal of discussion about Bistatey this Bistate Agency

And I think itfs dangerous. I think it's supergover-

nment. And I think ft's corrosfve and undermining

of our state government. And I ask you to vote...

1 ask you to vote noy to vote against the forma-

tion of this Bistate Agency.''

Speaker Barnes: HThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Williams.''

Williams: OThank you, Mr. Speakerm Iîd lfke to stand as a

proponent of this. Iêd like to see more green lights

on thls. I happen to serve as a member of the Leg-

fslative Advisory Commission to NIPC and 1'd like

to point out that this is a vehicle that is abso-

lutely necessary in order to get the bistate coop-

eration. As I pointed out in the Commfttee whea

this came outy I think it's absolutely necessary

that they look at this as regional problem from the

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120.

standpoint of sucb things as floodipg and trans-

poraLfon. Too, I'd lïke to point out thpt a drop

of water that falls in my area the're into .the Des-

Plaines River as.it goes into Chicagoy lnto the

Illinois and into the Mississippi and out in the

Culf of Mexico. And I think unless we can get a

cooperative program on this we arentt gofng to solve

the regional problems. I urge a very definite aye

vote on this. Itls a necessary vehicle and we're

m' andated to do it. And I'd appreciate more green

lights up there. Thank you.î'

Speaker Barnes: HMr. Naddell.''

Waddell: HMr. Speaker and tadies and Gentlemen, I thfnk that

the thing youVre looking here is the dissipation of

your own powero' Those of you who have on your

shoulders the weight of the State of Illinoisy you - .

. want to remember there are lfke individuals ln the

State of Indiana that feel just exactly the way we ' '

do. And that is the fact that the federal govern-

ment belongs in the federal government harness and

certainly not in the harness of the State of 111-

fnois. And as thfs continues and as the supergover-

nments are eroding your power what theyfre sayinq to

'rou is 'youAre not necessary here to represent the

will of your people'. Instead of thats they take

tbeir own power plus the fact that they then usurp

vour power on state levels bv creatinR such monstros-

' ities. I urge a no votee''

Speaker Blair: nHave a11 vote...Mr. Mann.''

Mann: 'Vlr. Speaker. Members of the House. I'm sure that many

of you will be surprised at what Iîm about to sav

because I recoanize as much as anyone on the floor

of thfs House the need for comprehensive planninq

' and the need to tie ourselves into federal funds.

But I have some great reservations about the operatio

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of NIPC. I've stated them recently. I want to re-

state them. I doa't know what NIPC stands for. I

donlt know whether NIPC'S involvement wit'h Indiana '

is going to mean a diminution of pollutfon in Lake '

Micbigan or an increase of pollution in Lake Mich-

igap. What I#m saylng ts that I think we opght to

go slow in this Bill 'tfl we get some redefinition

of exactly where XIPC is. When I first came to

Sprfngfield NIPC stood for some principles, you

might have agreed with them, you might bave disagreed

with them but at least you knew wbere they stand.

At tbe present time I do not know where this organ-

izatfon stands. I don't think it speaks for the

people of northeastern Illinois any longer. And

I'm saying that I:d like to see some red lights up

there or some present lights, maybe not to kill the ' -.

- Bill for this Session but to get some definition

from NIFC and from the Sponsor about where thfs or-

ganization is goipg. I have a feeling, I have a

feeling from my immediate experience with it that

rather than work ln behalf of anti-pollution efforts

it's working in behalf of special interests. I don't

see it standing up on a 1ot of fssues that it ought

co. I don't see it beipg responsive to this 111-

inois General Assembly.' We created NIPC. We have

a right...ttapel...H

Speaker Blair: l1Al1 right. Okay, Mr. Mann. Mr. Palmer.l'

Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Centlemen of the House,

those persons that are voting green up there ought

to take another good look at this thing. Even NIPC

doesnlt have the powers that the...this superstruc-

ture of government would have. Northwestern Ind-

iana Planning Agency does not have these powers.

Clearly it's a biregional concept to include b0th

northwestern Indiana and northeastern Illinois under

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umbrella. Now this has been' recomaended for a

long time. And I should like to ask you the ques-

tiony. does it include zoning? Sunely they have the

powec to take action and tbose words were not in-

cluded in the Northeastern Illinois Planning Com-

mfssfon Aci. They have the power to plan and plan-

ning usually involves the question of zoning. So

I think we ought...like Representative Mann has said,

we ought to go slow on this thing. Let's study ft

out. If it's goods let's come back next year and

take a look at it. Thank you.n

Speaker Blair; ''Mr. Ron Hoffman.''

Hoffman: HThank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I was going to rise at the time to yield

to Representative Mann because I find I1m in full

accord to his arguments. At the present time none

of us fully understand the direction of the import

that NIPC is supposed to be portraying. And the .

testimony that evolved in Commfttee on this Bill -

creates an awesome spectrum to those of us that

listened to it. We are creating another superagency.

One that is going to be above NIPC and here we bave

yet to find a controlling factor for NIPC. I think

those green lights on the boardy if there is as

much doubt in everybody else's mind as th.ere is in

mine should at least be voting present because this

superstructure provides: in my mind not only a

creature that could create and has the capability

of creating tbe crosstown but a structure that will

not be subservient to the wishes of this Illinois

Ceneral Assembly. And I would solicit either a

no vote or a present vote on this proposition.''

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Hi11.''

Hi1l: HMr. Speaker and'Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey

1. have to admit for about six or seven years being

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a member of tbe Advisory Commfttee to NIPC I have

'fought this move a11 these vears but I aa convinced

now thac a board of this nature does have to be set

up. 1'd like to point out to you a's.tbe federal

government makes a statement, asd they haNe every

six montbs, cut off for a while the federal funds

coming into the northeastern area. And they say ff

we do not set up a board like thts that they are

joing to keep that on, that 11d on, and the federal

funds vi11 not come into this area. I'd lfke to

point out to those people that say the Legislature

has no control. Well I feel very coafident that the

Legislature does bave sone control in thts particular

z area . Maybe wz haven't exerted ourselves and I think

that you have pfcked the wrong Bi11 to attack. Ifm

sure that if you come up with some legislation that

. wouldy in my mind anyway, have a respective nature.

in regards to NIPC as such, well I wouldn't be so -

$ much opposed to that. I just say that you have

picked the wrong Bill to attack. I think thls fs a

necessity. It's a needed necessity for the north-

eastern area and I believe that this Bill should pass-'

lSpeaker Blair: HMrs. Geo-Karis.

''

Geo-Karis: ''MT. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hou se ,

this Bil1 was heard before our cities and Vitlages

Committee. In my humble opinion this Bf11 lays out

the plannfng, and the framework and the right of con- ,

tract to establfsh a crosstown expressuay. Tbe con-

tract powers are writing the Bill and thfs Plannfng

Agency is not what we should have. It is a super-

agency in explaining ay vote of present.f'

peaker Blafr: Hhlr. Peters.ll

eters: ''Mr. Speaker: 1, too, share the fear expressed by many

individuals bere. I understand the need for the

creation of a planning board. I understand the federal

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problems that are involved. But I represent a

district whicb is overwhelmingly opposed to the

construction of the crosstown expressway'. And

untfl I can get, I thinky. sufficfent answers in

terms of exactly what the superagency intends to

do and how rthat affects the constituents that I

repkesent who are very much opposed to the construc-

' tion of that layer of c-oncrete I'm gofng to have

to vote present. And I suggest that the Members

from some of the districts consider the views of

many of the citizens who have expressed their very,

veryy I think, well-founded fears in regard to what

might happen to many of our neighborhoods. I vote

' t 11PreSen .

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Merlo.'l

Merlo: f'We11. Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, Iy too:

sit on the Committee of Cities and Villages and

heard this Bi11 beforenthe Committe'e. I feel that

it is a necessary vehicle and I want to call the -

attention to this Body of the fact that recently

the Attorney General's Office has indicated that

a vehicle such as the Bfstate Commission is needed

in order for Illinois to participate in any bistate

planning activity. I wfsh to further call the

attention of this Committeey that this was approved

by the Legislative Advfsory Committee to NIPC after

a series of negotfations between Governor Walker

and the City of Chicago and the suburban and collar

county members of NIPC. I tbink that we do have

protectfon here in the fact that this fs a Com-

mittee that will consist of two appointees by the'

Governor; two from the City of Chicago and two from

the local governments. I don't think that we should

have the fear that bas been fndicated here on this

floor. And I ask your support on this Bil1.''

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Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Mahar.'' '

Mahar: ''Thank youy Mr. Speakery this has had several red

herrings in this thing here thfs afternoon. Number

one, is the fact that this is the vehfcle by which '

the crosstown expressway is going to be built. But

f ' 11 the Governor's Office has agreed thatfirst o a

this particular Bill is approprfate. I don't think

he'd want to have any part of it if he felt that it

was a vehicle of the crosstown expressway. Seqon-

d1y we talked all week and ever since I've been

down here about federal funds. There's a great

grab for federal funds. Everybody wants federal

funds for 1aw enforcement, for educationx for the

farms, for their businessesy everybody. It just

seems to me that we we're not consistent. When

tbls is a vehicle by which we're going to have fed- ' -'

- eral funds would affect a bistate area, that affect

Illinois and Indfana. And when the federal govern-

ment said to us you must set up this type of com-

mission if you want to get those federal funds: i:

seetts to me that we shouldn't be thinking about that

at a1.1. It's just the same thing as I recall.

last fall that the federal government said if you

want to get federal funds for the highway you better

pass the 55 mfle an hour speed limit. So, I would

urge some more green lights on that board.''

Speaker Blair: l'Mr. Borchers.f'

Borchers: ''Wel1, thank you, Mr. Speaker, at last. A11 1 have

to say will be short. And that fs to me this is t%e

continuation of the erosion of states rights. And

I do believe in state rights. I think we all should

belteve in state rights, the power of our states.

Here we are again throwing away and giving away part

of our responsibility to our constituents and the

powers and dignity of our state. And I certainly

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speaker Blair: ''All right, who's handliag questioning of the

affirmative? Who is...Mr. Hudson. Come here.''

Hudson: nRepresentative Beatty.''

Speaker Blair: ''How is the Gentleman recorded? Voting ayek'l

Clerk Selcke: HGentleman is recorded as voting aye.''

speaker 31air: ''Nor in h1s seat. take him off tbe record.''

' Hudson: ''Representatfve Boyle.''

Speaker Blatr: HHow is Representatlve Boyle recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: ''Gentleman is recorded as voting aye.''

Speaker Blair: ''Hees not there, take hfm off the record.'' -

- Hudson: nRepresentative Bradley.'' '

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Clerk Selcke) ''Aye.''

Speaker Blair: HI donît see him, take him off the record.î'

Hudson: ''Representative Barry.''

Speaker Blair: I'He's here.'î

Hudson: ''Representative Capuzi.''

speaker Blair: ''How is the Gentleman recorded?''

clerk Selcke: ''Gentleman is recorded as voting aye. There

he is.''

Speaker Blair: ''Xeah, heîs in the center of the aisle there.''

nudson: ''Representative Fleck.''

Speaker Blair: ''Who?n ,.'. .

Hudson: ''F1eck.''

Speaker Blair: ''I don't see him back there. How is he re-

corded, aye?''t

Clerk Selcke: ''Gentleman is recorded as voting aye.u

Speaker Blair: HTake him off.'î

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128.

Hudson: ''Representative Craig.''

speaker Blair: don't see him back there. Take Craig off,

he's...is he voting aye? Welly take him off the$

record 'til he comes back.'''

,1 , 11Hudson: Representative D Arco.

Speaker Blair: ''Who?''

Hudson: ''D'Arco.''

Speaker Blair: ''DfArco is here.''

Hudson: î'Representative Deavers.''

1Speaker Blair: 'lDeavers is coming down the aisle with Siinner

on his back.l'

Hudson: îfRepresentative Diprima.''

Speaker Blair: ''Diprima? Is he there, 1...''

Hudson: HHe's there. Representative Farley.'l

Speaker Blair: nFarley's here.l'

Hudson: ''Representative Flinn.''

Speaker Blair: ''Flinn? How is the Gentleman recordedr''

Clerk selcke: ''Gentleman fs recorded as voting aye.''

Speaker Blair: ''Take him off the record.''

Hudson: ''Representative Garmisa.''

Speaker Blair: ''He's here.''

Hudson: ''Representative Getty.''

Speaker Blair: ''Getty? Heês here.''

Hudson: Representative Emil Jones.

Speaker Blair: HEmil Jones. Donlt see him. How is he

recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: ''Aye.''

Speaker Blair: ''Take him off the record.l'

Hudson : ''Representative Katz.''

Speaker Blair: ''Katz? How is he recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: HGentleman is recorded as voting aye.'f

Speaker Blair: 'sTake him off the record. Put Mr. Craig

back on. And put Mr. Bradley back on.''

Clerk Selcke: ''Wait a minute, Katz is here.''

Speaker Blair: ''And put Mr. Katz back on.''

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129.

Hudson: ''Representatfve Keller.îî '

speaker Blair: ''Keller? How fs he....he's here.''

Hudson: ''Representative Kozubowski.ll '

speaker Blair: ''Kozubowskils here.'' '

Hudson: HRepresentative Lechowicz, I see him.''

Speaker Blair: ''Lechowiczy can't miss him .''

Hudson: ''Representative Matijevich.'' .

speaker Blair: ''Matijevich? He's here.''

Hudson: ''Representative McAvoy.''

Speaker Blair: ''McAvoy? How is he recorded?'î

Clerk Selcke: ''Gentleman is recorded as voting aye.''

Speaker Blair: nl don't see him back there. Take him off.''

Hudson: ''Representative Mcpartlin.'l

Speaker Blair: ''Mcpartlin. how fs he recorded? Aye7''

Clerk Selcke: ''Aye.''

Speaker Blair: ''Take him off. Put Emil Jones back on. Fut -'

- . Mr. Beatty back on. Now.w.well, waft ftil we 'finish

the verification, 1:11 recognize him. Yeahy Crai%'s

back on. Flinn's back...put Flinn back on. A11

right . ''

Hud so n : '' Re p 'r e s en t a t iv e 1'a t r f c k . ''

Speaker Blair : ''Who ? 1'

Hudson : ''Patrick . ''

Speaker Blair: HPatrfck is here.n'

u i v rzich ltHudson: Representat ve e .

. Speaker Blalr: MTerzfch? Is here.''

Hudson: ''Von Boeckman.f'

Speaker Blair: 'îvon Boeckman's here.''

Hudson: ''AII right. Representatlve Laurfno.''

Speaker Blair: ''Laurino is back fn the back.'î

. Hudson: ''Representative Yourell.u

Speaker Blair: ''Yourell is not in his seat. How is he re-

cordedk''

Clerk Selcke: S'Gentleman is recorded as voting aye.''

Speaker Blair: îlTake him off the record.''i

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speaker Blair: l'Krause? Yeah, he's in Yourell's seatv''

Hudson: nRepresentative Hart.'' -

Speaker Blair: HHart is here. A11 right: now, Mrs. Stiehl.''

Stiehl: nMr. Speaker, how am I recorded?

Speaker Blair: ''How fs the Lady recordedîff

Clerk Selcke: ''The Lady is recorded as voting present.''

Stiehl: ''Vote me aye.''

Speaker Blair: nVote the Lady aye. Mr. Pappas. Mr. Pappas.''

Pappas: 11Mr. Speaker, vote me aye.t'

Speaker Blair: HRecord the Gentleman as aye. Who? 0h,

put Mcpartlin back on. Jack...lack Lauer.''

Lauer: ''How am I recorded, Mr. Speaker?'î

Speaker Blair: ''How is the Gentleman recorded?ï'

Clerk Selcke: MThe Gentleman is. recorded as voting present.''

tauer: ''Vote me aye.''

Speaker Blair: ''Record the Gentleman as aye. Put McAvoy

back on. A11 rigbt, any further questions of the .

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C l e r k S e l c k e : '' H e ' s . . . . ' ' '

Hudson: 'îWho? Representative Williams. Williams.''

Speaker Blair: ''He's here. I got Dave back on. I got you

on once, Dave. Any further questions?''

Hudson: ''Representatlve Giorgi.''

Speaker Blair: ''Friedland votes aye. Duff...Mr. Duff, what

purpose do you rise? Duff votes no. Mr. Dunn.''

Dunn: ''Change my vote to present, please.''

Speaker Blair: 'îRecord Mr. Dunn as present.t'

Hudson: HRepresentative Sharp.''

Speaker Blair: tîsharp, how is he recorded?n

Clerk Selcke: ''Mr. Sharp is recorded as voting present.l'

Speaker Blair: uMr. McAvoy. You...you're recorded as voting

aye, you were taken off and you were put back on#' .

for tbe tbird time now. But you're only one vote.f

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But go ahead.''

Hudson: ''Representative Nardulli.'' .

speaker Blair: ''Nardulli's there. Who? I san't hear.''; '

Hudson; ''Representative Taylor, Mr. Speaker. Representative .

Taylor . 11

Speaker Blair: ''Taylor? He's back there.l'

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Speaker Blair : ''Jacob s? He ' s voting present a ''

Hudson : ''Representat ive Holloway . Jerry Hollroway . ''

' Clerk .selcke': ''Who?'' '

Hudson: HJerry Holloway.''

speaker Blair: 'fHolloway. Jimmy Holloway.''

Hudson: ''That's al1 the questions I haves Mr. Speaker.''

speaker Blafr: 'IHe's here. A11 right. Nowy Mr. Clerky..

Mr. Mann-''

Mann: 'fl'd like to be recorded as voting no.''

Speaker Blnir: ''Record Mann no. Mr. Porter.ll

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,,Porter: Please change my vote from yes to present. .

Speaker Blair: ''Change Mr. Porter from yes to present. -

Xourell, aye. A1l right, on thfs question..aon

this question there are 94 ayes, 34 nays, 40 present.

Mr. Williams.l'

Williams: ''Mr. Speaker, having voted on the prevailing side

I'd like to reconsider the vote by which this carried ''

Speaker Blair: ''I haven't announced...l haven't announced

that it's passed yet.l'

Willfams: MOh I thought you had. A1l right.'l

' Speaker Blair) HWebre just finfshing the verification. 0n

this question tbere are 94 ayes, 34 nays, 41 present.

And House Bill 1612 having received the constitution-

al majority is hereby declared passed. Gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Williaasy moves the vote by which

Senate Bi11...I said, Senatey House...l meant Senate

Bill moves that the vote by which Senate Bill 1612

passed be reconsfdered. Xr. Pferce.''

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132.

Pierce: ''Mr. Speaker, I move that motion lie upon the table.''

Speaker Blair: HA1l those in favor of the Gentleman's motion

to table say aye; opposed no. The ayes have it and

the motion to table prevails. Now, I'd like to '

thank Mr. Barnes for the work he did...I want...

I want to tell him however that during his tour of

duty up here that he supervised the passage of an

appropriation Bill totaling the greatest spending

fn my . bisorty of tbe State of Illinois. Mr..=

pardon? Mr. William Walsh.''

Walsh: HMr. Speakery my intentfon to make a motion to undo

the damage that was done the other day by the failure

of my motion to pass to keep Bills alive that were

on tbe calendar. And I therefore move tbat Bills, Resolu

tions and Motions that were tabled as a result of

our failure to extend the expiration date on Friday -'

- and that would have died Saturday and also that ex-

pired as a result of our failure to suspend the

appropriate rules yesterday, be taken from the table

and placed on the Calendar. And, Mr. Speaker, thts

this takes a l07 votesoî'

Speaker Blair: ''Yes, for...they would be extended for one

more day, right?''

Walsh: ''Yes, for one more day, Mr. Speaker.''

Speaker Blair: ''A11 right, Mr. Fleck. A11 right, you got

it straight now? You got that straightened out?

Mr. Fleck taken care of? A11 right, is there leave

to use the Attendance Roll Call? A11 right. Now

objections been registered? Mr. Skinner votes

present. Mr. Fleck.''

Fleck: ''Wel1, Nr. Speaker, I've been informed that the Senate

is going to remain hard and fast to their rules that

they are going to adjourn on Thursday, at least

thatîs what the President of the Senate said this

afternoon. Now, it seems to me that if there are

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House Bills on Second that list that those Bills

cannot possibly pass and be written into law.

Is that be- ..correct?'' 1

Speaker Blair: HWe11, why don't we wait 'til we.- is that .

in conjunction with the adoption of the motion?''

Fleck) 'îNo, just a point of...I'd just like...î'

Speaker Blair: ''Can I get this...can I get 'em back on the

'Calendar first? I3m not there yet. Mr...oh...

Do I have leave to use the Attendance Roll Call to

place a1l those matter that otherwfse would have

expired last Sunday back on ie Roll Call Service

Aid for one more day through tomorrov? And that

takes a 107 votes...there's leave been asked to

use the Attendance Roll Call. So if there's not ob-

jection we?ll use the Attendance Roll Call. Now.

those are then back on the' Calendar in their respec-- ..e*

- tive orders of business as they we<e on when they

k -came off the Calendar. And the Cler has put out

a list that is not, I think completey which says

the following are tabled pursuant to Rule 37-C:

thirty days. I think it needs.-.there aeeds to be

some additions on that but wedll catch those for

sure tommorrow. sow, we'll go back to Mr. Fleck's

.juestion about House Bills on Second Reading. Was

that your questton?''

Fleck: H'fhatîs correct.''

Speaker Blair: ''Yeah. Okay. And Mr. Choate wanted to re-

spond to Mr. Fleck, I think. He was raising the

question about Mr. Harris' saying that wedre leaving

Thursday and...''

Choate: ''I wotlld only potnt out, I would only point out that

when the Senate talks about adjourning by Thursday

I think tbat it's a little bit of a rumor that maybe

is not too well founded. And if they talk about the

House being a being a little bit tardy ia passing

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Billsy 17...some 17 Senate Bills' only reached

this House Just a few moments ago. The largesty

the largest state department budget is sti'll in

the Senate, that is the Department of Transporta-

' tion. So Iîve...personallyy wouldn't worry too

much about Thursday, Charlie. Secondly, most of

those Bills that are beiag revived are on the order

of Second Readfng, Second Legislative Day, which

means that they can be passed and sent to the Senate

tomorrow.''

Fleck: 'lYeah, welly Mr. Speaker, if .the Senate moves that

other Bill tomorrow, we get it, what if they go

home and come back in about two or three days? .

I#m concerned. Is it possible to read Houtle Bills

that were on Second Reading yesterday? Read them...

'at least read them a second time todays now if there. .*

Speaker Blair: ''Yeah, Iem just checking with'the Clerk to

see how many of them have been read a second timew

I assume it would not be a problem if we were to read

them a second time and leave them on Second until...

tomorrow breaks through maybe we can do something

else. Mr. Walsh.''

Walsh: ''If we need a supplementary calendar, if we did that

Mr. Speaker, to show those Bills fn the position

they're on. And I would assume. as Representative

Tuerk pointed out to me, that Bills that were on

' First Legislative Day on Friday or Sunday would be

on Second Legislative Day the...or on Second Reading

straight on the Calendar because theylve had their

First Legislative Day.''

' Speaker Blair: ''Wel1 I'm...why don't we...I can gfve in...

huh? Why don't we do thfs, why don't I go back

with leave of the Rouse to Second Reading, Bouse

Bill second Reading, and let's pick up on the Senate

calendar what Bills there went off the- .well, wait,

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wait a minute, which ones aren't'read a second

time? Welly then, Brummet's wasn't read, right?

Huh? Noy are you ready now? No, well, now wait1

a minute. tet's get Mr. Schisler out of tbe way

with his...weVll come down through these and wefll

make sure that we've got them read a second tfme.

And'then 1'11 gather those Bills that are shown

on this list even though it's not printed Calendar

I can...I can work from ït. 2361, Mr. Schfsler.

Mr. Cunningham.''

Cunningham: ''Well, wouldn't it be possfble to construe this

motion to revive the Bill that's removing any ne-

cessity that they appear on the Calendar. And if

that's impossible why couldn't we have a supplemen-

tary Calendar and those that have been read Second

proceed to have it decided today. In so doing you

would have make this magnificent gesture meanfng-

' g u j. l I .

Speaker Blair: ''Any please you immensely.'' -

Cunnfngham: ''And both of us.l'

Speaker Blair: ''Right. Now, on...'1

Cunningham: ''2683...''

Speaker Blair: 'llf you'would listen to what I said earlier

I said I could handle that which means when I get

through with the printed Calendar 1 will go to the

Calendar that 1 have that has the Bills that you?re

interested in like 2683.1'

Cunningham: MThank you, Mr. Speaker''

Speaker Blair: ''Bless you. okayy Mr. Schisler recognizes

Mr. Lechowicz.''

Lechowicz: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I'd like to present a motton to. tbe

General Assembly Membership. I9d like to move,

having voted on the prevailing side, to reconsider

the vote by Amendment /?1 was adopted to House Bill

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speaker Blair: HAnd //1 that you want to...there...'''

Lechowicz: ''Yes, sir, that- .Yes, Mr. Speaker.'' '

speaker Blair: ''A1l right, the Centleman from Randolph,

Mr. Springer.''

Springer: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

I agreey I agree with your motion that Representative

Lechowicz has presented and I...after cbeckfng the

Amendment and also realizing at .this time that,there

should not be any reduction in that approprfation

for the Department of Agrfculture I agree with him

and urge that we reconsider the vote by which that

Amendment was adopted.''

sreaker Blair: ''Mr...Doe's-Mr. Washburn want to be heard on

that? Mr. LaFleur.'' . .

LaFleur: î'Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, although 1 can- *'-

not agree with thts motion I do realize that the fate

of it is doomed but I would not really 'accede to the

motion as made to recede from our position since it

was adopted. And I could ask is each and everyone

to Join in defeatïng this motfon.''

Speaker Blair: HAII rfght. A11 rfght, the questionîs on

j ' 4the Centleman s motion to....al1 right, the question

on the Gentleman's motion to reconsider the vote by

which Amendment //1 was adopted to House Bill 2361.

Al1 those in favor say aye; the opposed no. The

ayes have it and it's been reconsidered. Now, Gentle

man- .all right. Nov you#re still back on, you#ve

still got Amendment //1 there. Yougve got to recon-

sider so it's actually before the Chamber now. Mr.

Lechowicz.''

Lechowicz: f'Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Speaker, I move

to table Amendment I1k to House Bill 2361.'. .

Speaker Blair: ''A11 right, dlscussfon? A11 those in favor

of the Gentleman's motfon say aye; opposed no. The

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ayes have it and the motion to table prevails.

A1l rfghty now then what shape are we on on the

balance of tbe Apendment?''

clerk Selcke: HWe went to Amendment 6, weêre on Amendment

d'/q 17 . . . ' '

Speaker Blair: HWhich is...H

clerk Selcke: ''Committee Amendment. Amendnent //7. Amend

House Bill 2361 on page 9 and so f ortlR . ''

Sp eaker B la ir : 'îWl:o ' s go t th at one ? Mr . LaFleur . Ryan? lt

R an : '' Mr '. S p e a k e r > I b e 1:L àv e n o w t 11 a t Amend m e n t # 1 h a s b e eny

tab 1ed , tha t we need to check each succ eeding Amend-

ment f or t echnicalities of whether they c onf orm to

the Bil1. ''

Speaker Blair : ''Al1 r ight . Staf f advises that that is some-

tll ia g t h a t s 1A ou ld b e d o n e . S h a 11 we t a ke i t ou t o f

the record while the Amendment s tha t ar e on ther e

- are betng c:ecked? A11 right, let's taue it out of

the record while staff...the staff on b0th sides is' '

checkfng that Bi11 to make sure that there's not a

problem with Amendment //1 coming off. Mr. Brummet.

did vou want that appropriation for the Teacher's

Retirement System, 2827?1'

Brummet: OYes, Siry I Would like for it to.''

Speaker Blair: ''A1l right. Read 2827.whf1e wefre checking.î'

Clerk Selcke: ''Any Amendments on that?''

Brummet: HMr...Mr...H

Clerk Selcke: ''Give it to me. House Bill 2827 was read a

second time...give me the Amendment.'î

Brummet: HMr. Speaker.''

Clerk Selcke: 'lone Committee Amendment...who is that? Amend-

ment, wherefs Amendment //1?1.

Brummet: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of tbe House,

this is the Appropriations Bill for House Bill 1375

for the Retirement Pay of...tbe older teachers in

the State of Illinois, that's a...commtttee Amendment

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clerk Selcke: HI want to know ff ft's adopted.l'

Brummet : '' okay . '' .

Speaker Blair: f'We're checking th e record on...'' '

Brummet: ''It...it does not conform now to the Bill as it was '

passed. And I'd like to move to table this Amend-

m C X E * î l

Clerk Selcke: ''Conmittee Amendment //1. Amend House Bfll 2827

page 1 line 5 by deleting $7,400,000 inserting in

lieu thereof $1,250,000.''

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Lechowicz.''

Lechowicz: ''Thank youy Mr. Speaker, according to my records,

Amendment //1 was adopted yesterday. Amendment //2

was defeated. According to my records: Fredy Amend-

ment //1 was adopted yesterday.''

Clerk Selcke: f'We1ly we just called upstairs and the records

show that tbe only thing that happened to the Bill ' *'

- <as that it was read a second time. There was some

discussion but nothing was...H

Lechowicz: HA1l right. Well: ff that's the case then 1:11

move Committee Amendment //1 be adopted to House

Bi11 2827. Wbat it does. tha appropriation originall

requested $7:400,0009 now according to the number

of people that would be eligible for this Bf11...

uhe reappropriation should be $1,250,000. We offered

this Amendment in Committee wfth an understanding

that b0th staffs and the Sponsor would get together

as far as the dollar amount. I have not seen any...

part of my, I'm sorry. 1111 yield to Bud Uashburn.''

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Washburn.n

Washburn: l'Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of tke House, this money, Ied, the Amendment would

have reflected the money in House Bill 1375 which

was defeated here on the House floor. So this Com-

mittee Amendment //1 should be tabled to restore5z

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Lechowicz: ''A1l rigbt, fine.'r '

washburn: nCommittee Amendment f/1 should be' tabled asI

' Representative Brummet...n

Lechowicz: f'A11 right.''

speaker Blair: ''A1l right, theyêve moved- -they move to adopt

//1 and tben there's been a motion to table. Is

there leave to table? Hearfng no objections //1

wlll be tabled.''

Clerk Selcke: î'Amendment...''

Speaker Blair: HWait a minutevl'

Clerk Selcke: î'Amendment...''

Speaker Blair: HWait a mfnute. Wait a minute. Mr. Wolf

says he objects to tabling.by leave, so you have

to take...all those in favor say aye; opposed no.

The ayes have it. The motion to table prevails.'f

clerk Selcke: nAmendment //2. J. J. Wolf. Amend House Bill

2827, page 1, line 5 by deleting $7,400,000 and iù-. -

serting in lieu thereof $3,700,000. Wolf's Amendment.

speaker Blair: ''Mr. Wolf, your Amendment //2.:'

Selcke:'fThe Amendment deletes $7,400,000 and smserts 3,700,000

you cut it in half.'' '

Wolf: ''I move the adoption of Amendment //2.:'

Speaker Blair: ''Is there any quesEfon on tbe adoption of

Amendment //2. Mr. Brummet.''

Brummet: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House: this

would...this would cut the pensfon fund down in

less because we still have to have the $7,4000,000

in order to make ft conform Wfth House Bill 1375 as

it was passed by the House. I urge a no vote on

V h i S * î î

speaker Blair: ''Mr. Wolf, care to close? 'A1l those fn favor

of the adoption of the Amendment ?/2 say aye. The

opposed no. No stands, Amendment does...lmendment

fails. Furtber Amendments? Third Readfng. A11

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righty nowy that's a11 the Second Readfng Bills

on the...other than Mr. Schislers his...still

working on> rigbt? Mr. Telcsera are you...do you

want yours...veterans Protection Act do you want' .

d i lt today'...you got an Amen ment you want to ta e

or you want to wait or...0h> yeah, leyvs read it asecond time and hold it. Read ft a seeond time

and hold it.''

clerk selcke: ''House Bill 2687. A Bill for an act for pro-

tection of persons from oppresive taxes by debt col-

lectors and so forth. Second Reading of the Bil1.''

Speaker Blair: ''Yeahy just hold it on second. A11 righty now,

well, see...A11 right, now Housew..l'm going through

the House Bills that were revived by Mr. Walsh's

motion. Mr...I9m just going to go down the chrono-

' logical order here. The first one would be the... . ..

- well, here, why don't we do thfs. Can we 'have leave

just to have these read a second time and held on , '

Second Readfng? A1l rigbt: House Bill 2450, Mr.

Clerk. Oh, okay. Now wait a minute. Let's start

' 2480 wbich is Mr. Giorgi's. Read that a second time.'

clerk Selcke: ''House Bill 2480. A Bill for an act to amend

the Unemployment Compensation Act. Second Reading

' , f t h e B i 1 1 . ''

Speaker Blair: $'2487.19

Clerk Selcke: ''2487. A Bill for an act to amend the Workmen's

Compensation Act. Second Reading of the Bi11.N

Speaker Blair: ''Al1 righty now my...my record indicates that

2654 has been read a second time. It has been? A11

right, just leave 'it there. 26...unless, you want

me to advance that, Mr. Hanahan? No. 2665.î9

Clerk Selcke: 9'2665. A Bill for an act to provide for recover

and sale of waste paper of certain state buildings.

Second Reading of the Bi11.H

Speaker Blair: MAll right, hold it. Nowy Mr. Cunningham 's

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2683, that's been read a second time, right. Read

2828.'f

Clerk Selcke: 112828. A Bill for an act to eamend an act in1

relation to vocationa'l education, Vocatiozal Reha-

bilitation. Second Reading of the Bi11.H

Speaker Blair: HMr. Tuerk, what purpose do you rise?ll

Tuerk: Hpoint.'.of ordery Mr. Speaker.n

Speaker Blair: ''Yeah.''

Tuerk: nl theught a little while ago when I understood you

jroperly when you said we were making motion to re-

store these Bills back on the Calendar and they'd

return to the Calendar in the same order that they

appeared. Now, I submit Mr. Speaker, that a couple

of these Bills that a couple of these Bills, or

thlee of these Bills were on First Legislative Day.

And I interpret your remarks that they go back

on the Calendar fn the same order, they would go

back on Flrst Legislative Day.î'

Speaker Blafr: 'îWe1l ...11i1 u ,1 Tuerk: Well, Mr. Speakér, I m not talking about this parti-i

cular Bi1l. I'm talking about...there were three

Bills on First Legislative Day on the Assembly Calen-

dar which was an improper calendar.''

Speaker Blnir: 'fWelly 1/..1 think the Gentleman's point...

the Gentleman's point is well taken. A11 right,

here...all righty the Gentleman's point is well taken

Actually House Bill 2480, 2487 and 2665....a11

right, let's move slowly. So far I had indicated

that 2480, 2487 and 2665 would be read second time

and held on Second. Now: Mr. Tuerk makes the point

that those Bills were on First Legislative Day on

Sunday and inasmuch as we had not suspended the

rules on Frfday, those Bills were improperly on the

Calendary yesterday, on First Legislative Day. So,

@ and the motion that we got leave for from Mr. Walsh

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was that they be returned to their respective orders

of business and technically the'order of buslness of

those Bills would have been that they were motions; '

to discharge which had passed but the...following

the passage of those and their journey to the Calen- .

dar they came within the clutches of the House Rules

and therefore would not have been on First Legfsla-

tive Day. His pointh's well taken. Nowy...we've

unread them. Al1 righty now I understand that

there's going to be motions made witb respect t'o

those but...Kent, let me finish. Before I come back

to those let me finish with the Second Readiag mat-

ter so we just have that left. Now, coming down the

Calendar that I9m looking aty 2683, that has been

read a second time, right?d'

Clerk Selcke: HYesy Sir.îl

Speaker Blair: MAnd it is properly on the Calendar then.

A11 righty now. letls go on. 20...vhat about 2828?f? .

clerk selcke: nWe read that one already.'' -

Speaker Blair: HWel1y where was 1t?''

Clerk Selcke : HStill on Second Reading. It wasNon Second

Reading.''

Speaker Blair: 'Q t was on Second Reading. A11 right, so

just...just hold it now. It's been read a secoad

time. Now 2882, 83, 84 and 85 have al1 been read a

second time. They were on Second Reading, leave

them there. Now, Mr. Mccormick, on the Pension Code,

2897, where was that? It was on Second Reading?

Read it a second time and hold it there, we'11...''

Clerk Selcke: MHouse Bill 2897. Mccormick. A Bill'for an

act to amend the Pension Code. Second Reading of

the Bi11.''

Speaker Blair: HNow 2899...98.11

Clerk Selcke: ''2898. A Bill for an act to provide the compen-

sation of certain state officers. Second Reading

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of the Bi1l.'' '

speaker Blair: ''Is there an Amendment? Well, the Amendment.

0h, leave it on Second, leave it on Second. Al11

right. Just read a second time, wm'll hold it.

Right? Al1 right, now, then, are there any other

Bills on Second Reading that we...A1l right, now:

I think that takes care of.- other than the motionsy

now. Mr. Schisler, on your Bill, staff advises that

they're going to have to be corrected Amendments

because the Amendments that were adopted are not

correct now. And so weAll have to get that done

overnight and do ft tomorrow morning. Mr. Schisler.''

Scbisler; ''Mr. Speaker, would ft be possible to move it to

Third and bring it back tomorrow for the purposes

of an Amendment at that time?''

Speaker Blair: ''We1ls you donlt have any problem. It's been

' read a second time and it can...these Amepdments

can be put on it tomorrow and I can' order it read

. . .sit on Third and read a third time toporrow. ït

doesn't have to actually be shown on the Calendar

on Third Reading. We've got that point established

nolz.

Schisler: nThank you.''

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Shea.'l .

Shea: MMr. Speaker, there appears, I would imaginey now that

weeve put these on three Bills, House Bill 24801

House Bill 2487 and Hoùse Bill 2665. Ihose Billsy

I think according to Mr. Walsh's motion, would come

back on the Calendar on the Order of Second Readfng

First Legislative Day. I would move that they now

be advanced to the Order of Second Reading Second'

Legislative Day and be read a second time. Nowy it

was my understandingy Mr. Walsh, at the time we

talked and agreed to put these back on that the Bllls

would be put back on and moved along so that those

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144.

two days, we wouldn't be penalizfng any Sponsors.''

Speaker Blair: MMr. Tuerk.'î

Tuerk: ''We11, Mr. Speakery Members of the House, noy that

really wasn't the understanding that a11 of us underm

' stood a few moments ago. ' Anè I quoted your remarks

and said something to the effect that when the motfon

was made that the Bills would return to the Calendar

in the same order. Now, submit to you that the

same order means First Legislatfve Day.''

Speaker Blair: nWhat do you thfnk...oh, yes..eall righty

does the Gentleman care to close?''

Shea: HWetly Mr. Speakery I just thought that this was part

of the understanding that takes a 107 votes. I ask

leave to use the Attendance Roll Ca1l.H

Speaker Blafr: HMr. Tuerk.''

Tuerk: HIpell, at this point I'm not sure I understand what -

your motion is, Mr. Shea.fî

Shea: f'If: according to what you said and what I understand

. 'Mr. Walsh's statement was, the three Bills that I

just mentioned if everythfng came back to where we

were would come on the Calendar as of today on the

Order of Second Reading First Legislatfve Day. What

I've asked is that those three Bills be advanced to

the Order of Second Readfng Second Legislative Day

and be read a second time so that they would be in

position to be at the passage stage tomorrow.n

Tuerk: HWell, 1...1 would object to that, Mr. Speaker.''

Speaker Blair: HMr. Tuerk.''

T erk: HWe11 Mr. Speaker, I've' already mentioaed 1 wouldtl y

object to that. I think there ls a procedurey if

they want to follov the procedure, but this was not

my understanding at a11 a few moments ago when the

motion was made and the Chair pofnted out that these

Bills would come back to the same order from whence

. they left the Calendar. And I further stated that1;) . . cozv..z?yt zn

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the Sunday Calendar was an improper Calendar so

therefore they would have to com'e on the Calendar

on First Legislatfve Day.'' *

Speaker Blair: ''Nelly yeah, the Gentleman's 'point is well

taken. Actuallyy those Bills, at least Mr.

2480 and 2487 were brought out under the provisions

of Rule 33-C which does stay with 89 votes. And

that...that does say that the Bills comlng out under

that provision will be on the Calendar on the Order

of Second Reading First Legislative Day.'î

Shea: HI don't think anybody is disputfng that fact with

anybody.ll

Speaker Blair: nYeah, but if you .if you were on First Leg-

islative Day today and were able to come in aad put

a motion today and say that you want, now, to have

those Bills on Second Readingy it would be a sub-

version of 33-6 because 33-C says that you can sus-

pend that provision only upon a 107 votes. So I

don't see how you're going to get...to do' what you

want to do, as I see it, it's going to take a 107

voLes.''

Shea: nWell, here, Mr. Speaker, 1et me explain why'l only

tbink it takes a '89. The Bills were moved out of

Committee on Friday, assuming for a minute that today

is the First Legislative Day after Friday, they

would appear on them..calendar today on the order

of First Reading First...second Reading Ffrst Legis-

lative Day. I want to suspend that portfon of the

Rule to say that they go from First Reading First

Legislative Day to First Reading Second Legislative

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Shea: ''Second Reading Second Legislative Day. Are you saying

that we need a 107 votes?l'

Speaker Blair: HYeah tt does, after your last 7th of C says

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'this subsection may be suspended only for an

affirmative vote of 107 MembersV.'f

shea: HWel1. I suppose it could have been solved tbat there

was a supplemental calendar printed on Friday 1ike...

other Bills?n .

Speaker Blafr: '?No.''

Shea: ''It...it...cou1d I inquire...l'

Speaker Blair: I'Yeah, there was no supplemental calendar

as respects these Bills on Friday.''

Shea: ''Wel1 theny Mr. Speakery in order I hope to keep at

least the tenor of the agreement that the Leader-

ship reacheds I would so move and ask for the sup-

port for the l07 votes.''

Speaker Blair: ''Yeah, Mr. Walsh-''

Walsh: HWe11, 1et me say that I resent that. He's suggest-

ing that there was some kind of an agreement tbat

we would take Bills and put them on an order on - -.

- the Calendar where they did not belong. Tbere was

no such agreement. 0ur agreement was that we

would attempt to uado the damage done by not sus-

pending the rules Friday and Sunday and that's

exactly what we did. There was no suggestion that

we would take Bills from an order of business where

they had not been nor would we suspend rules in

order to do that. So I resent the suggestion that

we had an agreement to somethfng like that. That

is simply not accurate.''

Shea: MIçell, Mr. Speaker...''

Walsh: '%o I join with Representative Tuerk in opposing your

motion.''

Shea: HWell, Mr. Majority Leadery I'm sorry I thought that

was the agreement we reached. Perhaps ' doi't

understand English well and I would ask that perhaps

you could support this motion so that we could at

least run the House and give every Member an oppor-

tunity to get their Bflls over to the Senate if

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theyere going to close down on Tbursday. Two of

' these Bills are extremely important Bills to labor.

We voted ourselves a raisey we voted the judges a

raisey we*re going to vote the state officers, let's

do something for the working people in this state.

I vote aye.''

Speaker Blair: ''We11, 1...1 think that the Najority Leader's

comment is well taken. The...before the motion was

adopted by using the Attendance Roll Call these par-

ticular Bills were not on Second Reading Second Day.

At best they were on Second Reading First Legisla-

tive Day and when we restore them to the Calendar,

we'd be restoring them to the Calendar on the basis

of Second Reading First Legislative Day. Now, the

motion has been put and...Mr. Hanahan.'f

Hanahan: ''Mr. Speaker, I think very accurately the word is .

. damage. The damage that was done was to be undone.

Now we could play around with whether we have tech- '

nicalities or not but the issue before is on the

word damage. Had no damage been done we would cer-

tainly have these Bills before us probably right now

on Third Reading. The issue is not whether or not

there's a technicality we have to bridge but whether

'r not the agreement included to undo the damage

that has been done. Now tbere are three Bills that

webre talking about...happen to be very important

Bills. I would just suggest that in any manner

that has to be done, the damage be undone by supply-

ing the l07 votes so that we can go about the busi-

ness of the House. And I urge that the motion be

taken, it is in writing to suspend the rule, and if

it takes a 107 votes I#m hopeful that there are a

107 Members of the General Assembly here present

that would support this motion to move two Bills

to che Order of Second Readinge''

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Speaker Blair: 1'AII rights tbe motion is às respects all '

three of these Bills now?''

Hanahan: ''2480, 2487 and 2665.f1 I

Speaker Blatr: HThat they be on the order of Second Reading '

First Legislative Day...second Legislative Day and

the. Chair's ruled in 33-C it's going to take a 107

' votes. Yeah Mr. shea.''#

Shea: 11Mr. Speaker, if I understood the motion of the Malor-

ity Leader...''

Speaker Blair: HYeah.''

Shea: ''These Bills came out and were on the order of where

they appeared on the Calendar where they were .. .

stricken.''

Spaaker Blair: ''Where they what?n

Shea: ''Where they were stricken and taken off. The Clerk

determined tbat the motion was not made on Fridayy - -

- or it was made but did not pass. So that the

Sunday Calendar where these Bills appeared was in

T yf. error.

Speaker Blair: Right.

Shea: ''And that they would be returned to the order. The

Majority Leader is perfectly right in saying that

those Bills now appear on the Calendar on the order

of Second Readfng Ffrst Legfslatïve Day. My motfon

is to get them to Second Reading Second Legfslatfve

D a y . ' '

S p e a k e r B la :i. r : ' ' Y e a h . ''

Shea: 'Q f your question is does it take a 107 votes, I think

you#re absolutely parliamentary correct.''

Speaker Blatr: ''Thank you.dl

Shea: '$I would like to further state that I did not infer

in anyway to you, Mr. Majority Leadery that you were

doing anything wrong. I think perhaps we had a

misunderstanding and I would just ask for your sup-

port and perhaps clarffy my mfstake.''

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Speaker Blair: ''AII right. The...is it a11 'right to have

a motion with respect to a11 thkee of these Bills?

You want to get themy a11 three of' them, one

time?îî

11 ' . .'Shea) If you want to divide the question I 11 be. . .

Speaker Blair: ''Wel1, my...l...l.thought that they...it mfght

want them to be divfded, I'.m not sure. You want to

have them all? Al1 right. The question is: shall

House Bill 2480, 2487 and 2665 be placed onrthe

Order of House Bills Second Readfng Second Legis-

lative Day. And that the provfsions of Rule 33-C

be suspended so that the Gentlemen may accomplfsh

the purpose which they seek and that is, as Terrible

Tommy said, undo...undo the damage that was done

by somebody over there. A11 those in .favor vote

aye and the opposed no. Mr. Hanahan.''

Hanahan: rMr. Speaker and Members of the House, in .a11 fair-

ness and in a11 justice that has ever been asked of

any Member of this House, I'd like to add any Memfer

bere that feels very justified in voting no on an

issue of a techntcality and placed in the way of

the very hopes, the very aspirations, the very live-

lthoods of first of a11 people'who are unemployed,

not because tbey want to be unemployed, not because

theybre too lazy to work, not because they have any-

thing to do with the economy but because they are

unemployed because there's no work. That we have

a Bill here now, on a technicalïty, needs your help.

implore some Members tbat have had the opportunity

to work and to work hard, and to see somebody who

is injured and see somebody who had a bad accident

on a job, and ask of them, if it would be fair to

them, on a technicalityy not to vote rfght now to

' have these Bills at least heard and given a fair

hearing on Second Reading tomorrow...Third Reading

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tomorrow . I implore you, that if you: in a1l things

that are Just we have done a 1ot of good this Ses- .

sion. Let's not'stop now when it really counts'

to move unemployment comp and workmen's çomp to the

posture that if you want to vote no on these final

issues, that if you feel in your heart that the

issue deserves a red vote: do that at the proper

tfme. At the time on Third Reading when youVre

conscïence dictates you. But at a time like this I

implore you in behalf of working people, workiûg

men and women, that desperately need to catch up

witb the inflations desperately need a little bit of

more money for their unemployment compensation: or

a little bit better benefit, a little bit more

money when they're injured and off of work. I urge

you to vote an aye vote. Give these people tbat

can't be here the opportunity to at least .:ave their

day in court on Third Reading. I urge an aye vote.r'

Speaker Blair: ''Mr. Tuerk.l' -

Tuerk: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, listening to

Mr. Hanahan moves me. We have heard these Bflls

in Committee: they had a full hearing. An honest

and long hearfng last week. The report of the '

Committee was do not pass. N0w on Friday, it's

trueytbey put the motion and was successful fn

attaining that motfon. Last year we voted, out

of this House and out of the Senate, increases in

both the Unemployment Compensation Bills and the

Workmenls Compensation Bills with.the quote 'under-

standfng' uaquote that this was fncreases in the

benefit that would continue for the next two years.

Now we came in this year and these Bills were filed

some two months ago. Now at the last minute these

Bills have come before Lhfs House, and have come!' before the committee, and as I said, they had a

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full hearing, an honest hearing and ft was the

wfll of the Committee to vote do not pass. Now,

he says we're voting on a technicaxity. He says

we're trying to undo the damage. l'he damage that

was done by theée Bills and other Bills was done

by somebody on his side of the aisle. Now whether

or not you waat accept that, thatîs one thing, but th

fact remains I#m not arguing strictly on a techni-

cality, I#m just saying that the orderly procedure

o'f this is to put these back on the Calendar in the

position they went off the Calendar. And that is,

on Ffrst Legislative Day. And think that's vhere

they belong. They're important Bills. They're

important fssues. And therefore I thfnk this House

ought to have at least tbat much more time to really

study these Bills so that they...at the pofnt that .

when they get to the passage stage are abfe to cast

an informed vote.f' -

Spçaker Blair: nMr. Willfam Walsh.î'

Walsh: MIlelly Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, in addition to what the last speaker said,

the damage that was done and as he correctly pointed

out, it was done by a Member on that sïde of the

aisle. But since then we have had a Legislative

Day when that could have been undone if only through

people on the other side of the aisle had come to

talk to us about undoing We were very anxious

to resurrect these Bills, as it were, and get them

back on the Calendar. But it was our feeling that

the overture should come from that side of the atsle

from whence the difficulty came. Now ff these Bills

had been so fmportane to the vorkïngmen, if they

bad been other tban what they know darn well they

are, highly inflationary. And they have no thought

whatever of these Bills passing botb Houses and

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being signed by the Governor because that would .

be unspeakably inflationarys then they would have

come over to us and said let's do 'somethinq because

wefve got these very important Bills, but there

' ' was not one word in the man# hours we were'here

yesterday about getting these Bills back on the

Calendar. And it looks to me like they were per- '

fectly willing to 1et them go. I think webre all

being kind of suckered a little bit here by the

advocate of organized labor so that they can get us

on the Roll Call and they can run around and say

that we are anti-labor, actually we're responsible.

But theyîll say weAre anti-labor. These Bills don't

mean a11 that much to the people who advocating

thcm, believe me, these Bills in themselves and

they are making us suffer. They bope to make us -

buffer in the election. But the ones the#fre really

hurtfng are the People that they say theyfre try-' . '

ing to help and tbat's the workfng peoplé because

they don't...false hope in them. And I urge you

to vote no.''

speaker Blair: ''Mr. Shea.''

Shea: ''uell, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

1 don't think weAre trying to build any false hope.

I think many people are trying to do something for

the working people. Xou talk about in the tenth

hour with not much tfme to go. I remember a Bill

that came out of the Rules Committee, I think it

was called Senate Bill 10l0y and inside of one Legis-

lative Day we raised the interest rate from eight

to nine-and-a-half percent. We voted ourselves

some pretty raises and we voted the judges some

pretty good raises. There's some $100 raises fer

every state employee, that I think Mr. Jones handled.

ue gave, at least approprlated, out of this chamber

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some $70,000,000 for fncreases for publfc afd

recipients. A1l we#re asking here is to.give us

a 107 votes. And then vote a Bill up or down on

fts merits. Now, Mr. Walshy talks about we should .

have come to him because the mistake was made on

tbis side of the aisle. I remelber Mr. Walsh last

nlght before we closed down this operatfon and I

asked you. shouldn't we do something about this

tonight? And I tbink your statement to me was

'we can do ït tomorrow'. Welly that's righty Clyde.

tomorrow's here. And perhaps, perhaps we're not

as smart and as bright and as technically correct

but I ask and I implore some of my colleagues on

that side of the aisle if'they wouldn't please

join with us, put a 107 votes on tbat boardy and

give us an opportunity to vote these up or down '

- or their merits. Thank you very mqch.''

,1 1: * *Speaker Blair: Bave a11 voted who wish? Mr. Borchers.

Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker, I'm very sorry to disappoint you...H

Speaker Blair: 'Q haven't heard what you're going to say yet.''

Borchers: ''I am not anti-labor, I am proAmerfcany and pro-

Illinois. And thts Bills...these Bills will merely

contribute to the continued financial tnstability

and future possible irresponsible financfal position

of this state. That's a11 I have to say.''

Speaker Blair: HMr. Lemke.'' '

Lemke: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the Housey we staad here

today voting agafnst a Bill to help the working uan.

A man that's on a fixed fncome that's hurt a worky

a man. that has no way of his interest payments.

Le.t's look at. the vote on 1010. we're talking...

; Prior speakers talk about inflatfon. How did they

vote on ity raisfng interest rates? They voted

for it. Why? Because business wanted the increase.

i Now labor wants an increase for tbe worulngman.4t:.

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We read the paper in Springfield. Here's what

the cost of living. In one year: lo.7zz'that's

what it costs a Dan to eat. 10.7Z, wefre' not

a/ktng for that and there hasn't been a'rafse. '

The raises haven't come. And werre asking this

for. the poor man that's hard at work. When you

have somebody in your family and tbey get hard at

work and they have to make that mortgage payment

which is going to be 30, 40 dollars more a month:

where are they going to get that money? They donlt'

jget it from the worker s compensation or unemploy-

ment when they're laid off. I urge an aye vote

on tbis matter.''

Speaker Blair: ''Mrs. Catania.'l

catania: ''Thank you, Mr. Speakers Members of the House,

a while back Representative Hanahan. said that -

- these people don't really have a direct effect on

the economy, I believe. I would like to point out

that the people on workmen's compensation and unem-

ployment compensation perhaps have a more direct

affect on the economy than just about anybody else

in the country. The philosophy behind workmenfs

compensation and unemployment compensation is to

provide that a little bit of hope that keeps people

going, until tbey can get back on tbe job one way

or the other. I'd also lfke to pofnt eut that .

through the legislation of this General Assembly

men now get equal benefits with women on workmen's

compensation. I expected at least one more green

lfght to go on vhen I safd that: for heaven's sakes.

. These are two extremely important Bills. These

are the Bills that really bold out hope to the

People of the State of Illinois. And I think we

need some more green lights up there.''

Speaker Telcser:lCcentleman from Cook, Representative Ron

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lloffman: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Centlemen

of the House, as most of the Members knowy here,

if these Bills were under consideration Irwould

have a red vote up there. But I think what wedre

asking the Membership here to consider is not to

votp up or down any piece of legislation on a techni-

callty. If you're down here long enough every Member

is going to find one way or the other he's going

to have to request help on a technicality. Now

just keep in mind that if there aren't sufficfent

votes up there to have these Bflls put fn a posture

where you can't express your vfews, for it or against

it, some day everyone here is gofng to be asking

for help from either this side of the aisle or the

other. So let's give it a fair shot. Give them

their day in court and let's put a few more green .

- v o t e s u p . ''

Speaker Telcser: HGentleman from...Representative Giorgi

want...llave a11 voted who wish? Take the record.

Representative Tuerk, what purpose do you rise?''

Tuerk: ''Wells I request verffication a: the proper tfme,

èfr. Speaker.'?

Speaker Telcser: 'îokay, Gentleman has requested a verification

ztepresentative Shea, want a poll of the absentees,

fs that right? Okay, as soon as the Roll Call comes

out of the machine welll poll the absentees. Then

revert to Representative Tuerk's request for a

verffication.''

Clerk Selcke: 'lAnderson, Blutbardty Cartery Deavers, Dee,

Duff, Ralph Dunn, Ebbeseny Grieshefmer, Harpstrite,

Hirschfeld, Gene Hoffmans Huskey, Hyde, Jenison,

Juckett, Kempiners, Klosak, Lefnenweber Mahar.

èlccourt, McMaster, Tom Mlllery Melloy, Nurphy: North:

Patrick, Brummet, Porter, Randolph, Rose, Ryan,

Schoeberlein, Sevcik, Timothy Simms, Skinner,

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Soderstrom, Telcser, Wash'fngonk' Wolf, Mr. Speaker.''

S ker Telcser: f'Okay questions of the'Affirmative RollPea >

Call, Members please be in their s'eats. Wi11 the

Clerk please read the Afiirmative Roll Callk''

Clerk Selcke: HAlsup, Barnes, Barry, Beatty, Beaupre, Bermany

Boyle: Bradley, Brandts Brinkmeier: Brummety Cald-

well, Calvo, Capparelli, Capuziy Cataniay Chapman,

Choate, Collins, Craigs D'Arco, Davis, Diprima,

Douglas, Dyers Epton: Ewelly Farley: Fary, Fennessey,

Pleck, Flinn: Frfedlandy Gramisa, Geo-Karis, Cetty:

Gibbs, Ciglio, Giorgiy Griemakn, Hanahany Hart,'

Hf11 Ron Hoffman, Jimmy Holloway, Robert Holloway,

D. Houlihany J. Houliban: Jacobs, Jaffe, Emil Jonesy

Dave Jones, Katz, Keller, Kelly: Kennedy, Kosinski,

Kozubowski, Krause, Kucharski, LaFleury Lauer,

taurino, Lechowicz, Lemke, Leon, tondrigan, Lundyy

hacdonaldy Madigan, Mann, Maragos, Martin, Matijevich

k G b Mc-' ' 'McAuliffe: McAvoy, Mcclainx Mccormic , Mc a y

Grew, McLendon, Mcpartlin, Merlo, Mugalians Nardullf,

Palmer, Patrick: Peters, Piercey Polk, Rayson,

Redmondx Sangmeister, Schislery Schneidery Schraeder,

Sharp, Shea: Ike Simms, Springer, Stedelin, Stiehl,

Stone, Taylor, Terzich, Thompson, Tipsword, Von-

noeckman, Wall, Washburn, Willfams, Yourell.''

Speaker Telcser: nOkay. Questions of the Affirmative

Roll Call. Representative Tuerk.'i

Tuerk: ''Von Boeckman.''

Speaker Telcser: HRepresentative Von Boeckman on the floor?

Representative Von Boeckman, how is he recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: HTake him off tbe Roll Cal1.H

Tuerk: HJacobs.''

Speaker Telcser: uRepresentative Jacobs on the floor? Jacobs?

How is be recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: lIAye.''

Speaker Telcser: HTake him off the Roll Call.H

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Tuerk : l'Sharp . î' .

Speaker Telcser: f'Representative Sharp on the floor?

Sharp. How is he recorded?'' '

clerk Selcke: ''Aye.''

Speaker Telcser: HTake him off the Roll Ca11.H

Tuerk : 'f Boyle . ''

speaker Telcser: ''Representative Boyle on the floor?

Boyle? How is he recorded?''

clerk Selcke: HAye.''

speaker Telcser; 'lTake him off the Roll Ca11.H

Tuerk: ''Bradley.''

Speaker Telcser: HRepresentative Bradley on the floor?

Bradley? How is he recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: HAye.H

Speaker Telcser: HTake him off the Roll Call.ît

Tuerk: nCalvo.'' -

speaker Telcser: ''Representative Calvo on the floo/?

He's standing in the back.n ' -

Tuerk: HCollfns.'' '

Speaker Telcser: nRepresentative Collins on the floor?

Collins? How is he recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: '1Aye.''

Speaker Telcser: nTake him off the Roll Ca11.'1

Tuerk: nFfeck.''

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Fleck on the floor, heês

standing right here by Murpbyls seat.''

Tuerk : ''Geo-Karis.''

Speaker Telcser: HRepresentative Geo-Karis on the floor?

ceo-Karis...ohy there she is by Clyde.î'

Tuerk: ''Hart H

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Hart on the floor?

Hart? How is the Gentleman recorded?''

. clerk Selcke: ''Aye.H

' Speaker Telcser: NTake him off the Roll Cal1.H

Tuerk: ''J Houlihan.''.y *

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Speaker Telcser: 'Qim Houlihan ls sitting in h1s seatm''

Tuerk : ''Keller . 11

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Keller.o..on the floor?

Keller? How is Representative Keller recorded?fl

Clerk Selcke: 'lAye.''

' Speaker Telcser: ''Take him off the Roll Call. And Represen-

tative Collins has returned. Collins has returned.

Keller is off.''

Tuerk: ''Dave Jones.''

Speaker Telcser: ''He's in hts seat.'l '

Tuerk: ''Gibbs.''

Speaker Telcser: HGibbs? Gibbs is on the telphone in my

officey he just walked out, do you want me to get

h im ? ''

T u e r k : '' W e 1 l e v e n t u a 1 l y . î' '

speaker Telcser: Hokay.'l

'r u e r k : '' M a n n . '' .

Speaker Telcser: HRepresentative Mann on the floor? ' .

oh here he 1s.'' . -

Tuerk: Hèiccah.''

Speaker Telcser: MRepresentative McGah on the floor?

McGah. Row is he recorded?'' .

Clerk Selcke: ''Aye.H '

Speaker Telcser: ''Take him off the Roll Ca1l.''

Tuerk: nMerlo.''

Speaker Telcser: î'Representative Merlo fs in his seat.

And Representative Keller has returned. Keller

has returned. Von Boeckman has returned. Von

Boeckman.l' '

Tuerk: ''Peters.''

Speaker'lelcser: ''Representative Peters on the floor?

He's in his seat.ll

Tuerk: ''Beatty.''

Speaker Telcser: ''Beatty. Representative Beatty on the

floor? Representative Beatty. How is he recorded?''::

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clerk Selcke: nAye.'' '

Speaker Telcser: HTake him off the Roll Ca11.'' '

Tuerk : ''Polk f'

Speaker Telcser: nRepresentative Polk on the floor? Here '

he is right next...up here in the aisle.''

Tuerk: HGiglio.''

Speaker Telcser: MRepresentative Giglio fs standing by his

t 11S e a .

Tuerk: ''I have no further' questions.'' '

Speaker Telcser: HYou got more or are you finfshed? I asked J cobs.

Representative Craig, for what purpose do you rise,

Sir?î'

Craig: ''I rise, Iîve been verïfied, how am I voted?''

Speaker Telcser: HHow is Representative Craig recorded?''

Clerk Selcke: HGentleman is recorded as voting aye.l'

Speaker Telcser: MYou ran back for nothings Bob. Gibbs is ' *'

- here and he's on the Roll Call. DG you have more

questions or not?''

Tuerk : nJust a moment. Laurino.f'

Speaker Telcser: ''Laurino? Representative Laurino on the

floor? Laurino. How is he recorded?''

C le r k S e lc k e : '' Ay e . f'

Speaker Telc ser : ''Take him of f the Roll Call . ''

Tuerk : î'Douglas . '1

Speaker Telc ser : ''Representat ive Douglas is on the f loor .

And Repres entative Bradley has returned . Kennedy y

yo u # r e s t i l l on : I th ink . How f. s Re p re s en t a t ive

K e nn e d y r e c o r d e d ? K e n n e d y . f'

Tuerk : 11 S ringer . ''P

S p e a k e r 'r e lc s e r : '' Wa i t a s e c o n d , le t ' s s e e wh a t K e n n e d y ' s

. r e c o r d e d ? ''

Clerk Selcke: MThe Gentleman is recorded as voting yes.''

Speaker Telcser: ''Okay. Represehtatfve Skinner on the floor?

Sprfnger. How ls he recorded?l'

Clerk Selcke: ''Gentleman is recorded as voting aye.l'

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speaker Telcser: ''Take him off the Roll Ca1l.'1

T e r k : ''A1s up . ''u

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T k : 'î B a r n e s . 1 'u e r .

speaker Telcser: nRepresentative Barnes' is standing in '

the back of the Chamber. Any further questions?l'

Tuerk: ''Capuzi.n

Speaker Telcser: HRepresentative Capuzi on the floor?

There he is in the center aisle.''

Tuerk: Redmond.

Speaker Telcser: ''Redmond? Is Representatfve Redmond

on the floor? Redmond. How is he recorded?'î

Clerk Selcke: ''Aye.n

Speaker Telcser: nTake him off the Roll Call.1î

Tuerk: ''Ray Ewell.''

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Ewell on the floor? .

- Representative Ewell? How is he recorded?''

clerk Selcke: ''Aye.f' - '

Speaker Telcser: ''Take him off the Roll Ca11.''

Tuerk : ''Flinn.H

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Flinn...he's standing

sitting in his seat.''

Tuerk: ''Representative Hi11.H

' Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Hill on the floor?

Jack Hill. Representative Hi11 fs a11 the way in

the back of the Chamber. Any further questions,

Sir?''

Tuerk: ''J. Holloway.''

Speaker Telcser: HJimmy Holloway on the floor? He's

standing by his seate''

Tuerk: ''I have no further questions.''

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Tipsword, for what purpose1

do you rise?''

Tipsword: MMr. speaker, am 1 recorded on thfs Roll Ca1l?H

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Tipsword recorded?''

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clerk Selcke: 'îThe Gentleman is recorded as voting aye.''

Tipsword: nA1l right, then leave it that way, thank you.f'

Speaker Telcser: nRepresentative Hanahany what purpose do

1, 1you rise?

Hanahan: ''Mr. Speakery question 1 had here fs wefre breaking '

out about l06 votes herey how many are we talking

about...l'm trying to keep facts and...''

Speaker Telcser: ''Rigbt now there are 102 votes.''

Hanahan: nIs a 102, that means there's 5 missing.î'

Speaker Telcser: ''Did say 102, Fred?''

clerk Selcke: ''There were a 112 votes and we took 10 off.'':, 11 d

Speaker Telcser: Yeah, a 102 rfght now.

Hanahan: ''Yes, well...that's not my questiony it was...I

have 1, 2, 3: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 listed. I have

Jacobss Representatfve...''

Speaker Telcser: HRepresgntative Walsh, what purpose do

jr ->'you rise?

Hanahan: ''Boy1e...'' '

Walsh: 1'Mr. Speaker, this obviously dilatory. Let's go -

on with our busfness. This motion has failed.n

Speaker Telcser: HAre there any other Members who wish to

get on the Roll Call? What do you havey Mr. Clerk?''

Hanahan: ''We11, I'm asking some questions onzthe Affirmative

Roll Call, now that...that...you-..safd there was 9.. n

Speaker Telcser: ''...Now I will announce the Roll Call

if there are any errors wegll just take it up and' table it again...we did...timem..what. do you have?

How many nays? A11 righty now, is there anybody

that wants to get on and I wongt bang any gavels '

or make any: you know, quicko..l don't think ft's

fair to stand here on a stall. Representative

. . . Farley, for what purpose do you rise?''

l Farley: HMr. Speakery I#m sorry, I was out of the Chamber,l.I.

h0W am I recorded or was I taken off?l'l,./ Speaker Telcser: nuas Representative Farley taken off?''(%

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clerk Selcke: 'Qhe Gentleman is recorded as voting aye.''

Farley: ''Thank you.l' '

speaker Telcser: ''Representative Mcpartliny for what purpose

do you rise?''

Mcpartlin: ''How am I recordedy Mr. Speaker?''

speaker Telcser: ''How is he recorded?''

clerk Selcke: 'lGentleman is recorded as voting aye.''

speaker Telcser: ''Representative Choate, for what purpose

do you rise?''

ChO2Ee1 ORePrCSenLaDiVC Keller Was Put back on the Roll Ca11.. ''

speaker Telcser: HYes, he was...Keller. This question 102

ayesy 17 nays, 6 answering present. The Gentleman's

motion fails. Okays on tbe Calendar on the Order

of Second Reading of Representative Houlihan's Billy

it has been read a second time, I want to move to

Third Reading. The Gentleman has filed a fiscal - -'

- note Pursuant tO a request by One Of the...by...

Representative Skinner?n

Clerk Selcke: ''ïeah.'' '

Speaker Telcser: DIt has been read a second time, now it's

Third Reading. okay, Gentleman from Cooks Repre-

sentative William Walsh. Yeah. Representative

Colllns, what purpose do you rise?''

collins: ''We1l> is this the proper ttmey Mr. Speakerz....

I'd like to announce that the House Executive Com-

mittee will meet tomorrow morning at 9 o'clock on

tbe floor of the House.n

Speaker Telcser: ''A1l right...we got.- make the announcement

again, Phi1?''

Collins: ''Yes, I said on tbe floor of the House, Bud.''

Speaker Telcser: ''A11 right, Representatfve...Representative

Miller, for what purpose do you rise?''

Miller: ''Well Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, on behalf9

' of Paul Randolph, the Chairman of the Revenue Com-i'

tttee he's asked me to announce that the Revenue' mf

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Committee will meet tomorrow morning at 9 aem.

in D-1 in the State Office Building to c'onsider

senate Bilïs 1552 and senate Bills 15657 if the

he have leave?''

speaker Telcs'er: ''Representative Juckett, for what purpose

do you.rise?'' '

Juekett: HMr. Speaker, was I correct in hearipg that you

indicated those Bills were advanced to Third Reading7'

speaker Telcser: ''What did you asks Bobr'

Juckett: nWhieh Bill did you advance to Third Readfpg...'f

speaker Telcser: l'Representative Houlihanls Bill which was

read a second time earlier today and he filed a

fiscal note pursuant to Representative Skinner's

r e q u e s t . ''

Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, I have...l guess it's a point of *'

personal privilege. I signed up fbr...as a Sponsor

of a Senate Bill which we had worked on and there-

were some Committee Hearings or Ad Hoc Committee

Hearings on it. When the Bi11 came overy I was

listed as a Sponsor of the Bi11 and then I found

out that the Democrat Leadership had removed my name

from the Sponsorship of that Bi11., And it's my

understandfng, it's my understaading that a Senate

Member, under the Rules of the House, can request

the removal of a House Sponsor. I did not know.

though, that the Democrat Leadership had the power

to remove a House Sponsor. And if the Speaker

would have any information on that I'd certainly

like to be apprised of it.''

Speaker Telcser: HRepresentative Shea, for what purpose do

t y o u r i s e ? f'',' Shea: ''I don't know if the Centleman has reference to me?:'. or not but there was a Commfttee Bill that came over

F. from the senate on the supplemental calendar. Iv .

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164.

was told by the Democratfc Leadership that it was

coming over. Since it had not got a Senate Sponsor

. other than a Commfttee: I asked to put my name on

it. Now kf you want the Billy if that's the one

you have reference to.''

' Juckett: HMr'...Mr. Speaker, that is not the one I hàd refer- '

ence to, it was Senate Bill 1500 which was Sponsored

by Senator Netsch.''

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Choatey for what purpose'

do you rise Sir?l'y

Choate: 'Q talked to Senator Dawn Clark Netsch as late as

this afternoon. She advised me at that time.

Representative Juckett, that she was coming to talk

to you and Representative Emil Jones. I'm tellfng

you, then I don't know which one youbre talking

a b o u t . ''

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Matijevfch; for whyt . .purpose do you rise, Sir?'' -

Matijevich: HMr. Speaker, he has reference to Senate Bill

1500. Jerry Shea: Leader Jerry Sheay came over

to me because...lucketty there's some others that

have worked on the same problems as long, or. longer

than you, in which the Hea1th Care Licensure '. .

Commission. I had worked on that problem, too,

but I've got enough Bills...work to handle, too,

you can have it. Go ahead: be my guest. He can

have that Bill, hell, gfve it to hfm.''

Speaker Telc ser : ''Al1 righ t , Representatfve Washburn , 1et î s

get some of the announcements . . . any f urther announce-

ment s ? Representat ive Walters , f or wha t purpose do'

o u r i s e ? ''y

ualter s : ''Thank you , Mr . Speaker , I have an announcement f or

a l l t h o s e Memb e r s o f t h e H o u s e t h a t a r e i n t e r e s t e d

i n t h e d u c k h u n t i ng r e s o l u t i o n I h a v e R e s o l u t i o n

e 916, which will be heard tomorrow in Executive

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Committee. Ladies and Gentlemeny the General

Assembly has previously acted on a simil:r resolution

House Resolution 391, Sponsored by Represgntative

Leland Kennedy, wbich passed this House by a vote

of l39 to 1 in 1970. We are confident that the

Director of Conservation, Tony Deany will act in

good fafth fn the best fnterest of al1 duck hunters

in the State of Illinols in accordance wfth the

wishes of the General Assembly as expressed in

House Resolution 391. Therefore I request to table

House Resolution 916, Mr. Speaker.f'

Speaker Telcser: 'Qs there leave? Hearing no objections

House Resolution 916 will be tabled. Representative

Dyer, for what purpose do you rise?l'

Dyer: ''Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

I just wanted to remind the Members of the Htgher '

- Education Comnittee that there wi11 be a very short

but very important meeting tomorrow at 11:30 a.m. ' '

in D=1 to hear Senate Bill 1500. Please come there

right after you r other Commfttee Meetlngs so we can

finish in tfme to come in at noon. Thank you.f'

Speaker Telcser: ''Representative Gene Hoffmany for what

. purpose do you rise?''

Hoffman: ''Mr. Speaker, would the last speaker respond to a

question? What does Senate Bill 1500 have to do wfth

Higher Education?'l

Speaker Telcser: f'Representative Dyer. Representative

Dyer, do you want to answer Representative Hoffman's

questfon?''

Hoffman: HWhat does Senate Bill 1500 have to do with Higher

Education?''

Dyer: ''To answer your...this was simply assigned to this2lè Commtttee by the Committee on Assignment of Bills.t

' As you know, it does deal with ltcensing of physician .''

'. Hoffman: '11. I see now I understand, yeah, okay. Thanklftê --. .z ...-ox

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speaker Telcser: ''Are there further announcements?

Representative Washburn.o *

Washburn: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of tbe House, the Appropriations Copmittee will

meet tomorrow mornipg at 8:30 in Room 212. The

following Bills are posted: Senate Bills 1261,

1357, 1382, 1424, 1620, tommorrow morning at 8;30

in Room 212.''

speaker Telcser: ''Okay. Senate Bills First Reading.n

Clerk Selcke: ''Senate Bflls First Reading. Senate Bill 1290.

Fair Employment Practice Act. First Reading of

the Bi1l. Senate Bill 1617, an act to amend the

Workmen's Compensation Act. Ffrst Readfng of

tbe Bi11. Senate Bill 1462, an act relating to

certain Revenue Bonds. First Reading of the

3i11. Senate Bill 1481, an act making appropriation

to the Department of Transportation. First Read-

ing of the B i11 . Senate Bill 1535 , an ac t to ameRd

the Illinof s Highway Code . Ff rst Reading of the

B i 1 1 . S e na t e B i 1 1 15 7 5 , an a c t t o a u th o r i z e t h e

D e p a r t m en t o f T r a n s p o r t a t i o n t o a c q u i r e c e r t a i n

land in Kane County . Ffrs t Reading of the Bill .

d 'Senate Bill . . . Senate Bf 11 1326 ,. an act to amen

the Regional Transportation Autbority Ac t . Firs t

Reading of the B i 11 . S ena t e B f 11 14 52 , amend s

R e g i o n a 1 T r a n s p o r t a t i o n Au t h o r i t y Ac t . F i r s t R e a d i ng

of the Bill. Senate Bill 1492, amends Regional

Transportation Authority Act. First Reading of

the Bill. Senate Bi11 1528, amends an act relating:. to tree experts. First Readfng of the Bi11. Senate

t Bizz zszg, an aet to awend tse uater uezz and pumpt

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42@. Installers Installation Contractor's Act. First

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168.

with the followipg Amendments and the adoption '

of which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the

House. Passed the Senate as amended. June 24.

1974. Edward E. Fernandes, Secretary. Mr. Speaker,

I am directed to inform the House of Representatives

the Senate has concurred with the House of Represen-

tatives and passed the Bill of the followlng titlez

House Bill 2287 together with the following Amend- ,

ment and the adoption of whfch I am instructed to

ask concurrence of the Hottse. Passed the Senate

June 24, 1974. Edward E. Fernandes, Secretary.

Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the Eouse of

Representatives the Senate has concurred with the

House and.passed a Bill of the following title,

House Bi11 2350 together with the following Amend-

ments, the adoption of which I am fnstructed to ' -.

' ask concurrence of the House. Passed the Senatey

June 24, 1974. Edward E. Fernandes, Secretary.

Mr. Speaker, I 'am directed to inform the House

of Representatives tbe Senate has concurred with

the House and passed a Bill of the following title,

llouse Bill 2364 together wfth the following Amend-

ments, the adoption of which I am instructed to

usk concurrence of the House. Passed the Senate

' June 24y 1974. Edward E. Fernandes, Secretrary.

Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of

Representatfves the Senate has concurred with the

House and passed a Bill of the following title,

llouse B'ill 2426 together with the following Amend-

ments, the adoption of whicb I am instructed to

ask concurrence of the House. Passed the Senate

as amended, June 24s 1974. Edward E. Fernandes,

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, T am directed to inform

the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred

with the House and passed a Bill of the following

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169.

titley House Bi11 2754 together with the following

Amendments, the adoption of which I am instructed

to ask concurrence of the House. Passed the Senate

as amended, June 24, 1974. Edward E. Fernandess

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to fnform

the House of Representatives the Senate has çoncurred

with the House of Representatives and passed a

Bill of the following titles House Bill 2573 togeth-

er with the followfng Amendments, Lhe adoption of

which I am instructed to ask concurrence of the

' House. Passed the Senate as amendeds June 24, 1974.

Edward E. Fernandesy Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am

directed to inform the House of Representatives the

Senate has passed Bills of the following tftle,

House Bill 2543 together with the following Amend-

ment and the adoption of which I am instructed to ' .

- ask concurrence of the House. Pasyed the Senate,

s amcnded June 24 1974. Edward E. Fernandes ' 'a v > ,

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am dfrected to inform

the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred

with the House and passed a Bill of the fAllowing

title, House Bill 2415 together with the following

Amendments. and the adoption of which I am instructed

.-.0 ask concurrence of tbe House. Passed the Senate:

as amended, June 24, 1974. Edward E. Fernaadesy

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the

House of Representatives the Senate has concurred

lzith the House and passed a Bill of the following'

title, House Bill 2365 together with the following

' Amendments and the adoption of whtch I am instructed71 to ask concurrence of the House. Passed the Seaate,1(

as amended, June 24, 1974. Edward E. Fernandes,

Secretary.l'

Speaker Telcser: t'centleman from Cook,.....owhere is he at?

He bad resolutionsy Sir? Representative Blair,

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for what purpose do you rise, Sir? A11 rigbty

clerk Selcke: ''Agreed Resolutions. House Resolution 1066,

Waddell. House Resolution 1067, Katz. House Reso-

lution 1068, Schneider. House Resolution 1071,

Blatr et a1.u

. speaker Telcser: ''Gentleman from Cook, Representative

William Walsh, offers to move the adoption of the

Agreed Resolutions. A11 in favor aye; opposed no.

Resolutions are adopted. other resolutions.''

Clerk Selcke: ''Other Resolutions. House Resolution 1069,

Taylor.''

s Speaker Telcser: ''A11 right: Death Resolutions: that was

on the Speaker's table, last one.''

Clerk Selcke: 'îDeath Resolution. House Resolution 1064,

Londrigan, et a1. In respect to the memory of

Mr. Paul Dixon. House Resolution 1070, Gibbs, et ' -.

- al. In respect to the memory of Mr. John T.

11 e n e p i n .

Speaker Telcser: NGentleman from Cook, Mr. William Walsh,

offers to move the adoption of the two Death Reso-

lut'.l.ons. A11 in favor aye; opposed no. The Reso-

lution's been adopted. okay, Resolutions: read 'em'

l w1y . . . ''S O .

Clerk Selczce: ''House Resolution 1071: Blair, et al. Whereas

one of our most genial and learned colleagues cele-

brates his...43rd Anniversary...''

Speaker Telcser: HHey, wait a minute. Representative

Leinenweber, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?''

Leinenweber: f'In this Resolution, I thinkv deserves the

attention of the Members of the House because

is not of the normal mode of Agreed Resolutions.

I think the Membership would like to hear 'it.''

speaker Telcser: ''Al1 right, Mr. Clerk. would you read the

Resolution: please?''

''G.rtxr o'':' N - ; . qrh G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yo y,

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171.

clerk Selcke: l'Whereas one of our most learned and genial

colleagues celebrates today his.43rd anniversary

of his birth. Whereas he was born. and reared in

the City of Chicago, educated Notre Dame University,

and as a young sailor in the Far East he served

the nation with distfnction during the Korean Con-

flièt. And whereas he was chosen by the people of

the Far South Side of Chicago to be their Represen-

tative in this House of the 75th General Assembly

has been returned to this House by his constituents

in each succeeding General Assembly. And whereas

he has held the gavel as Chairman of two this

. Housef Committees, Election and Executive: and

has done so wïth diligencey fâirness and sense of

humor wbich qualities are recognized 'even by

those Members of this House with whom he has done

battle. And whereas his name has become synonymous

' with election reform, governmental ethfcs and cam-

paign disclosure. And whereas our colleague. shares

this birthday with other great men in history not

unlike himself and theik charfsma including:lohn

the Baptisty Jack Dempsey, and Rasputin. Therefore,

be it resolved by the House of Representative

of the 78th General Assembly, State of Illinoisy

that we raise our voices in a hale and hearty toast

to the birthday of our colleague, Philip Collins.

And congratulate him upon the accomplishments of

his mere 43 years; wishing him the same for the

next 43 years, at least. And be it further resolved

that a suitable copy of this preamble and resolution

be sent to Philip-colllns.l'

Speaker Telcser: nA1l right, the Gentleman from...centleman(

from cook, Representative Mann.''

Mann: ''I'd like Representative Collins to know that that

y'.* Resolution was drafted by the Executive Directori

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of the Illinois Arts Council.''

Speaker Telcser: HOkay, Geptleman from Will, Representative

Leinenweber.''

Leinenweber: 'Qhank you, Mr. Speakery I've asked Representa-

tive ceo-Karis to stay around solely for...to bring

us a rendition of whar she's famous fory so, Adeline.

will you lead us?''

Geo-Karis: HEverybody is to join me to sing Happy Birthday

to the mose elfgïble man tn the whele House. 'Ha#py

Birthday to you. Happy Btrthday to you. Happy

Birthday, dear Philip, Happy Birthday to youî.

Speaker Telcser: fîokay, couple more pfeces of busfness.

Gentleman from Cook, Representative William Walsh

moves that t:e Resolutfon...wait. Representatfve

Walsh, for what purpose...''11 '1 -

...Walsh: Mr. Speakery...

iSpeaker Telcser: '' ..I have more things to doy do you want

to adopt the Resolution?''

Walsh: HI would, first of all, like to announce...the Rules

Commtttee will meet tomorrow morning at 11:30 in

Room M-4. Itîs iuportant tbat they get 'uhere on

time and dispose of the business because we#re going

to come into Session at 12. And now I understand

that Representative Dyer has an announcement to

make ''

Speaker Telcser: ''Okay, Representative Dyer.''

Dyer: ''I just would like for the Members of the Higher Edu-

cation Committee to know tbat tbere wfll be no

meeting of the Higher Education Committee tomorrow

morning at 11:30. That was a miscall.''

Speaker Telcser: ''okay, Representative Shea: for what

. purpose do you rise?''

)k Shea: ''Might I ask the Majority Leader a question? Mr.2 Majortty teader, now, we've got certasn Bslls that

' Vas brought back on the Calendar and I just wanth

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to know if a11 the Bills that are on the Calendar, '

the posture is that none of the Bills on the Calen-

2ar or in the Committee will die because of some

Rule we failed to suspend or anything?''

W lsh: '1We1l I you'll have to research the Rules your-a y ...

self. I know of no Bf11 that ïs in iminent danger

' of dying. I think thato..by our motion earlier to-

day we have extended the life of Bills that would

otherwise die to tomorrow. That was the purpose of

our motion, tb' put them through tomorrow. So I

know of nothing that will'.die. We have a request

' ' for some four or five Bills in the Rules Committee

and ve will consider them, hopefullyy tomorrow.''

Shea: HA1l right, thank you, Mr. Majority Leaderzê

Walsh: ''Okay now Mr. Speaker...'' '

Speaker Telcser: Hone more thing. The Centleman from Cooky - .

- Representative Katz, asks leave to table House

Resolution 2622,,are'there any objections? Hearing- '

none, House Resolution 2622 will be tabled. Now,

the Gentleman from Cook, Representative William

Walsh.l'

Walsh: '1Mr. Speaker, I move that the House stand adjourned

until the hour of 12 noon, tomorrow.''

. Speaker Telcser: HGentleman moves the House stand adjourned

until the hour of 12 nobn tomorrow. A11 in favor) 'fj aye; opposed no. House stands adjourned.

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Speaker Telcser: nThe First Speci'àl Session will now come

to order. Gentleman from Cook, Representative '

. Walshy asks leave to have the Attendance Roll Call

of the Regular Session used as the Attendance Roll

Call for the First Special Session. Hearing no

ob1 ections that will be the Roll Call . The Firs t'

S eciàl S eâsion s S enate Bills S econd Read iag ,P

Senate Bill 8. In the Pirst Special Session, Seaate

Bill 8 on Senate Bills Second Reading. Senate Bill

, . '8,.senate Bills Second Readïng Flrst Speciâl Sesslone'

Clerk Selcke: HSenate Bill 8. An act to amend Sections 4A-

u 21 and so forth of the Illinois Governmental Ethics

Act. Second Reading of the Bill. 0ne CommitteeAj .Amendment. Amends Senate Bill 8...First Special Sess onon

Speaker Telcser: HGentleman from Cooky Representative Katz.'r

Katz: ''This is Senator Roe's Ethics Bill. In view of the.

- fact that other Bllls have been introduced ia the

general fleld èovering campaiga contributions, this

Bi11, under a Committee Amendment is now limited to

one and only one functfon. That is, an Amendment

that will require the Secretary of State to set up

procedures to notify a1l affected public officialsk

of their oblgiation to file ethics statements. Aad

if they fail to do so, that they will lose thefr

public position. I would move the adoption of Com-

mittee Amendment 1.'1

Speaker Telcser: HIs there any discussion? Gentleman offers

to move the adoption of Amendment 1 to Senate Bfll 8.

A11 in favor of the adoption signify by saying aye;

. opposed no. Amendmentls adopted. Are...furtheriI Amendments? Third Readtng. centleman from cook,h. Representative Willfam Walsh, now moves the First

j Sepcial Session do stand adjourned until adjournmentV of Regular session tomorrow. Al1 tn f avor signif yj%' b y s a y J. n g a y e ; o p p o s e d n o . F 1 r s t s p e c 1 a 1 s e s s i o ni;:- j.;ï

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-24-74 '

I1.Paae Tiae Speaker Information

1 Speaker Blair House in order.

. l Doctor Johnson Invocation

1 Speaker Blalr Roll Call for Attendance

: 1 Clerk Selcke Messages from the Senate

'! 2 speaker Blair Agreed Resolutionsi

2 Clerk Selcke Reads Agreed Resolutions I3 Speaker Blair '

k

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.'! 3 W. Walsh Explafns Azreed Resolutions) 1 - '-'' . jj 't 3 .

'speauer Blatr Agreed Resoluttons adopted 1

lI. 3 ,, ,y Itouse Bills 2nd) Q; 1 .1 1 3 clerk selcke Reads H.B. 2272 2nd' I1 4 speaker nlatr !:

j - !7 4 Lundy Yields to Sponsor to Explain C.A. l1.2 ... .

If- . t' speaker slatr c. A. //1 adopced ,'

jl l 4 Clerk Selcke Reads Amendment #2 l! I)) 4 Speaker Blair1.i <7 4 K. Miller Point of Inquiryi Iè 4 speaker Blatr H.B. 2272 out or recordfj .' 4 Houliban '? 1!' l'j. 4 Speaker Blairr# 5 Clerk Selcke Reads Committee Reports71): 5 Speaker Blair1'j.' 6 , 7 lltrschf e1d Point of personal privilegeJ ,l 8 Speaker Blair.r '( 9 Borchers Personal privilegek6 9 speaker slatr;1) .- 9 gluthardt ' 4y- --

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jl z -I iPag.e 'rime Speaker , Informat on1

I 9 Speaker Blair... jg' .9 Choate

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10 Speaker Blair Amendment //2 to H.B. 2272

10 Clerk Selcke Reads Amendment //21

, 10 Speaker Slair

10 Skinner Explains Amendment //2

. ! 10 Speaker Blair

) 11 .. Schraeder Doesn't have the Amendment11 ' Speaker Blair

'

(' 11 ' zèfugaltan Who?l'j11 Speaker Blair

11 Mugalian)) Discussion -

- yy suinuer .)

12 Beagkre) Opposes)

12 Skinner)

13 Pferce Opposes

14 Speaker Blair

14 Leinenweber

14 Speaier Blair k

14 K.''QW11er.. ..' Supports

15 Speaker Blair

15 Ryan ) .)

' 15 Skinner)

) 16 Speaker Blair

: 16 Skinner To close

tk 17 Speaker Blalri .?t- 17 w. ualsh Request Roll call vote

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3.Page Time Speaker Information

17 Speaker Blair.

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l 17 ' Houlihan Explains vote

18 speaker Blair

18 Londrigan Explains vote

i 18 speaker Blair

18 W. Walsh Explains vote

19 Speaker Blair '

t 19 Schraeder Explains votej k

11 20 Speaker Blair!$ .ï 20 Skinner Requests Poll of AbsenteeskiL 20 speaker szair;! -) -.20 Clerk Selcke Poll absentees'''',,

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1-'i 20 speaker Blair '4 '

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f 20 Simms Verifies negatives -)j 20 Speaker Blair$@. 20 Clerk Selcke Reads AffimativelâS 21 Speaker Blair!: 21 Duff votes 'aye'l -1.) 21 Speaker Blairjf v

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,21 Mccourt Votes' not1) 21 speaker Blair) , ,21 Brinkmeter Votes no

J 21 Speaker Blair'. 21 Brandt Votes îno'

' 21 Speaker Blatr

21 Porter Votes 'aye'

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DAT;: 6-24-74

PaRe Time Speaker Information .

:22 Speaker Blair

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22 ' Houlihan Questfons Affirmattve

23 Speaker Blair

23 Redmond Votes 'no'$1? 23 speaker Blatr1J, .t 23 slmss Draw the shades?Q)1r 23 speaker Blair1; .1

23 Clerk Selcke Reads negativezl ',j '

T'/.x 2 3 Speake r Blairq ..J ..k 23 simras Questions negative,.1 '' ':y '(') 24 Speaker Blair:1 . ''*ê *'''r 24 choate Change to 'aye '!' -*4 ' .j 24 speaker BlairIJ ' - -7 I f24 shea Cbange to aye -

$ 24 Speaker BlairI

!j' # v:) 24 Tipswords Change to aye .

A:' 24 speaker Blair

)j 24 skinnereh ''j 25, 26 Speaker Blairt .7 26 Murphy From f aye ' to ' present')!. .

27 speaker Blair 'p.( 27 Brinkmeier 'Present ')1t 27 s eaker Blair: P,'). .'' 27 Jacobs Change to 'no'Ei

27 s ker Blatrpea3' 27 schraeder stay at 'no'

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5.

Page Time Speaker Information

27 Neff . Change to 'preseat'

27 . Speaker Blair .

27 J. J. Wolf How's Houlihan voting?

. 27 Speaker Blair

27 Jr Houlihan Stay wfth 'nof

27 Speaker Blair

27 Simms Where do we stand?

28 Speaker Blair At ease

28 Simms Veriffes Londriganl' 28 Speaker BlairIl

28 Londrigan Point of personal prfvilege11; 28 Speaker Blair -

- 28 Schisler How recprded?

26 Spfaker Blair - -

) 28 Schisler Vote 'nog

29 Speaker Blair Amendment ?/2 passed

29 Simms Aloves to reconsider voce

29 Speaker Blair1I 29 collins Lie upon the table

1 29 Speaker Blair Motion fails1 29 Clerk Selcke Reads CommiLtee Reports

29 Speaker Blairl

1 29 w. ualsla Moves to recess' 29 choate Democratic Conference

' 30 speaker Blair )1 )L' 30 W. Walsh )

30 Speaker Blair House stands in recesst .. . e . .. z; ;.2;.x. x !.c . .x.

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: '' 6-24-74

6.Paae Time Speaker Information

30 Speaker Blair House back in Session

' 30 ' Choate Democratic Conference

30 Speaker Blair House in recess again

31 Speaker Blair House in order

31 Clerk Selcke Messages from Senate

31 Speaker Blair

31 Clerk Selcke Reads Amendment f!3

31 Stfehl Table Amendment 73$

31 speaker Blatr Amendment //3 tabled

! ' l k selcke Reads Amendment iîk., 31 c er!

l 31 Speaker Blair5 -1 31 K. Miller Table Amendment //4 *'.

a y yjy yayyaa31 Speaker Blair Amen men

31 Clerk Selcke Reads Amendment 75

31 K. lïller Printed?lj 'C At ease

, not printed32 speaker Blairl6 h te?32 Cunningham C ange vo.k

' 32 Speaker Blatr) Verifies Roll$ );! 32 Cunningham ) .'jJ9 32 speaker Bzatrj.lk 32 Clerk Selcke Messages from Senatelk 32 speaker Blair Cunningham's requestLfa' 33 cunningham'(S 33 Speaker Blair '.>l 33 Wtlliams Joins Cunningham/-< 33 Speaker Blairp:, 33 Juckett!; .- lkytgju-r.y ' % .w....xx ,5 W

.y. ,j). ''y G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y,k i' u.- . , j. j j= y. kuL%..X , sv s.r u o e , uul sl o Ispy. . s, . jjy. . jj

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Page Time Speaker Information

33 Spqaker Blair

' 33 Borchers supportsj 'l

33 Speaker Blairt! 33 Kelly Added on Cunningham's motion

! uer Blair. 33 Speaj '' 33 McMaster Added on motion alsol

33 ' Speaker Blair' 33 Wolf Suspend more rules:14 $ .1' 34 Speaker Blair L'uave granted to be added, os tue Roll call

' 34 YourellkCj 34 Speaker Blair7 -

) 34 BorchersY.) *$ 35 Speaker' Blair ' -

7: 35 Speaker Blair' jîr 35 Borchers) '3 35 speaker Blair Amendment //5 has been distributed:

't 35 x. xiller Explains Amendment f?5s .

t 35 Spekker Blair1

df, 36 shea. k

; 36 Speaker Blaire',& '36 Houlihan )j '

) Xield?'*'. 36 u yjj.y y er)Ck .

.1jJ.t. 36 speaker Blair... @t.'f'

36 Lundy opposeskt '37 speaker Blair.% .. t

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Paqe Time Speaker Information

37 Skinner

38 Speaker Blair

38 Schlickman

39 Speaker Blair

39 Kosinski

39 Speaker Blair

39 K. Miller To close

40 Speaker Blair

40 Houlihan Explafns îno' yote

41 X speaker Blatr Xmendment I15 fails

41 Clerk Selcke Reads Amendment //6

41 Speaker Blair

41 Washburn Explains Amendment 76

42 Speaker Blair

42 W. Walsh SupporLs

42 Speaker Blair

43 Schlickman Opposes

43 Speaker Blair

43 Maragos Opposes

44 Speaker Blatr

44 Poulihan Opposes

44, 45, 46 Telcser Supports

Speaker Blair

47 Geo-Karis ) Yield? Supports)

Washburn )

48 Speaker Blair

48 R an Supports. y: . .'k:.';.;,;l.'.,C(xw .. hxssykrk/ Fiuxfli'?j.irs c j G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y.'j ky,j y jta fz- .(.-.* 2 s'rxme oe ,uulfuo's

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DATF : 6-24-74

TRANSCRIPTION DATE : 6-24-74

9.Page Tlpe Speaker Information

48 speaker Blalr

- 48 Wllliams Supports

49 Speaker Blair

49 Dunn ) Fiscal impact)

49 Washburn)

49 Speaker Blatr

49 Washburn To close

49 Speaker Blair

50 Schlickman Explains vote

50 x Speaker Blair Amnndment //6 adopted

50 Ryan Move to reconsider vote

50 Speaker Blair Motion tabled

50 Clerk Selcke Reads Amendment //7

50 Speaker Blair

50 Skinner Tabled Amendmen: //7

50 Speaker Blair Amendment //7 tabled

51 Skinner Requests fiscal note

51 Speaker Blair

51 Houlihan ) Has fiscal note)

51 Speaker Blair)

52 Shea ) More Amendments)

52 speaker Blair )

52 Maragos ) Amendment //8?)

52 Speaker Blatr) Reads 2687 > 2nd .

52 Pierce Parliamentary inqutry

53 speaker Blair

53 Barnes Parliamentary inquiryav-.q r e'';..;,.;. .'kAh)j;;z .utis' '''X '''yr J.'.fP. I''J.1V r ' y G E N E R A l . A S S E 5 I B L Y' ? . 1. .;p 1,

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TRANSCRIPTION Iuosx DATE: 6-24-74

Paae Time Speaker Information .

. 53 Speaker Blair H.B. 2687 out of record

54 Clerk Selcke Reads H.B. 2829

54 Speaker Blair

55 Mccourt Explains Amendment I.1k

55 speaker Blair Amendment //1 adopted-Third

56 clerk Selcke H.B. 2869

56 Speaker Blair

56 clerk Selcke Reads Amendment //1'j

56 ' speaker Blatr

56 Cetty Explafns Amendment 71

56 speaker Blair Amendmentd/l adopted. Third

56 clerk Selcke Reads H.B. 2102

56 Speaker Blair Third Reading. House Bills Thir

56 W. Walsh Introduction

57 Speaker Blair

57 Clerk Selcke Reads H.B. 2654

57 Speaker Blair , Out of Record. H.B. 2654

57 Clerk Selcke Reads H.B. 2633

' (Tape failure - no sound) t

57 Speaker Blair

57 Sktnner Back to 2nd?

' 57 Speaker Blair Leave $ granted

l' 57 Clerk Selcke Reads Amendment //1

' 57 speaker Blatr

' 57 skinner Explains Amendment //1

'' 57 speaker Blair)

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) . '! 58 llaragos) yield ? o%.$/ ) .. .1 ;

- t 58 . sktnner) . . . ..-' 'tit -$ ' ' 2*5

x ! .4 ' '''' l 58 Speaker Blair ','j

. Ij ''. ; i 59 . 60 , 61 Shea ) Yield ? '-'

1 p ) 'y11 Skinner) '1 .62 Maragos ) ''t .i r )! l

' fl 63 64 skinner ) j! >: jl .' r . .' 't 64 Speaker Blair1 I .

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'!l 65 Leinenweber ) Yteld?l )t j E

- 66 Skfnner ) 6a ' ;

I i ' .fi1 66 Speaker Telcser Amendment //1 adopted s,.i y1 : .ff 66 Shea Requests ffscal noce,

:.I ';! '1 66 Speaker Ielcser

i! , .! 66 Clerk O Brïen . Reads H .B . 2200 . .. k.k. I ..' . '( .j . .. f ,)jj )4 .; s . Aya . .

t j 66 - Speaker Telcser 14 z . +'' . q( ,' ' . 1.

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.Y: nz'l.'h ' 66 Speaker 'felcser ' ,, . . sj I œ ; .j j.

i 66 Clerk Ofnrien Reads H.B. 2863 :! .' . p; ..66 Speaker Telcseri .',1 '' 66 Totten Back on 2nd?l .

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.j h' 'i 67 s eaker Telcser .' tl 13 . 1ri . .. .ii . '.. ?*9 r . '' ' .

li 67 cetty l-eaveuto take to 2nd ' .'-,,! . !, J J '

' . A ' 'f . . ->è.' 61 67 speaker Telcsar . W

' '' 67 shea Inquiry ..... 1 h

, ? 11 . .sky.:,,, .j 67 Speaker Telcser Leave granted , ,1 ' '''IS' fWî'7l1''*''

. . T ' . *#: k <I 67 Totten Reconsider votes for Amendments ,z'' t 11 IL , :! : 55 . IC'FJC2

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TRANSCRIPTION Iuosx DATE: 6-24-74

' Page Time Speaker Information

' 61 Speaker Telcserr '

j. 67 cettyl

67 Speaker Telcser Motion prevails'

68 Totten Parltamentary tnqutry

68 speaker Telcser

68 Getty

68 Speaker Telcser

68 Tottenh

'. 68 Speaker Telcser

: 68 GettyQ.$p 69 Speaker Telcser Amendment //2 votes reconsidered1f ,1 yj jj 1, 1,t 69 Speaker Telcser! ' ..' 69 Clerk Selcke Reads Amendment //1

î 69 Speaker Telcser

l 69 Tottenj .i

69 Speaker TelcserI' 69 cetty Reneszs motion to table

.1ij 69 Totten Objects to Getty's motion#. 69 speauer Tezcser t'( .ilî, 70. 71 Totten Explains substitute motton).4) 72 speaker Telcser

1 7a crotberg supportspg'

, '

k 73 speaker TelcseraJ 73 Getty Opposes'i! .

! 74 speaker Telcser71 .à

74 Borchers supportsel

75 s eaker Barnesjj -71). - . L.'ù- -' ) ' ' '' .. vxhàt ' ';A.*w wuj zcvnsstcrj.y..gry... c s x s R a j. A s s s M B k, vyj . F .x; $i'

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-24-74

lI Page Ttme speaker Informatïon

75 Duff

1 75 speauer Barnes

75 Stone Point of order

75 ' Speaker Barnes Not Getty's Amendment

76 Duff Contfnues

76 Speaker Barnes

76 Kosinski Opposes

77 Speaker Barnes

77 ' Peters Moves previous question

77 Speaker Barnes Previous question movedQ

77 Totten To close

78 Speaker Barnes

78 Grotberg Explains vote '

78 Speaker Barnes '

78 Shea To the point / .'

78 Speaker Barnes

. 79 Grotberg Continues

79 Speaker Barnes

' 79 Totten Inquiry%

79 Speaker Barnes Amendment //l is lost''

79 clerk O'Brien Reads Amendment f/2

79 speaker Barnes

79 Getty Table Amendment f!2

79 Speaker Barnes Amendment //2 tabled

' 79 Clerk OîBrien Reads Amendment //3

79 Speaker Barnes

u - 79 cect Ex lains Amendment 1'13. . . j'. A -' x '+ g . wx...c6 V' ' * ' à, q .rV LV2 fy 'k G E N E R A L A S S E 5, l B L Y

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' ITpAuscnlpTlox INDEX DATE: 6-24-74 i!

Page Tlme Speaker Information

80 speaker Barnes

80 Martin) Yield?-

'

)80 Getty )

80 Speaker Barnes

80 Getty To close

81 Speaker Barnes Amendment //3 adopted. 3*d.

81 Clerk O'Brien Reads H.B. 2863. 3rd.

81 Speaker Barnes ''

81 Getty Explains H.B. 2863

81 ' Speaker Baraes' x .

81 Maragos

81 Speaker Barnes H.B. 2863 passed. S.B. Third'. -

82 Clerk O'Brien S.B. 917

82 Speaker Barnes

82 Jones Return to 2nd?

82 Speaker Barnes Leave.' granted

' 82 Clerk O'Brien Reads Amendment I12!!, 83 Speaker Barnesl7 82 Jones Explains Amendment 72( k) '; 82 Speaker Barnes!' 83 Lechowicz ) Yield? 'k1$ )t

83 Jones )(.'î 83 s eaker Barnes Amendment //2 adopted. 3rd. p!Elf 83 Jones Explatns s. B. 917kp

'

7:2 84 speaker Barnes s. B. 9l7 passed!1 .kl 85 clerk o'Brien s. B. 1316zit.x

Jt-.. 85 s eaker Barnesjtjj , -. -. gym -. .;.-.,.. . .é fqî..%;'''Ts y ,j G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y4

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iTRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-24-74 '

PaMe Tlme Speakcr Informa tion

85 Sevcik Explains's. B. 1316

. 85 Speaker Barnes S. B. 1316 passed

85 Clerk O'Brien Reads S. B. 880

85 Speaker Barnes

85 ' Griesheimer Back to 2nd?

85 Speaker Barnes Leave granted

85 Griesheimer Yields to Mcco rmick

85 Speaker Ba rnes

85 Clerk O'Brien Reads Amendment //3

86 x Speaker Batnes .'

J86 Mccormick Explains Amendment j3r

86 Speaker Barnes Amendment ff3 adopted. 3rd Readi g.

- 86 Griesheimer Explains S. B. 880

86 speaker Barnes '

87 Matijevich ) Yield?' )2! 87 criesheimer);. 87 Speaker Barnesh

ï.': 87 Wol f Supports

C 87 speauer narnes v$'' 87 Grtesheimer To close'l.G'f': 87 s eaker Barnes S . B . 880 passed.j. P9i 88 clerk O'Brien S. B. 1128L.A 88 speaker Barnes S . B . 1128 0ut of record. i)1 88 clerk o'Brien Reads s

. B. 1409':'j 88 speaker Barnes

J'$ 88 R. Hof fman Explains S .B . 1409*k- 88 s eaker Barnes:) - ' --. <y . x. .. . ,> . .,. $ ; f2-. . IC5> L $ G E N E R A L A S S E A l B L Y. g . . e,,. , . o..y , ( jj J : t 'z':x: ':.-.,bk7 -.. ) s v x v s o p. I u u 1 Iq o I s'

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DATF J 6-24-74

1-o rma t ion! ! ! .

%: i .2 l.d ?

'i'i 1 c1o se

B . 1409 passed

ituads S . B . 576

I )tl t of record

B . 12 7 7

jrxplains 12 7 7

b' teld ?

21 . B . 12 77 passed

ëleads S .B . 1323

)k' xplains S .B . 132 3

s . B . 1323 passed

iteads S .B . 1351

irxptains S .B . 1351

1351 passed

Ltaads S .B . 1469

j.'q( ? tains S .B . 1469

1- hr

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATX: 6-24-74

l7.

Paqe Tfme . Speaker Information

91 Speaker Barnes

92 Palmer ) Yield)

. qz pj-erce )

r: 92 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1469 passed

92 Clerk O'Brien Reads S.B. 1477 '

92 Speaker Barnes

92 Lechowicz Out of record

92 Speaker Barnes

92 Clerk O'Brien Reads S.B. 1265

93 Speaker Barnesl .l 93 Keller Back to 2nd?

93 Speaker Barnes Leave granted

93 clerk OfBrien .

93 Speaker Barnes -

93 Keller Explains Amendment //2

93 Speaker Barnes '

93 uashburn

93 speaker Barnes

93 Pierce ))

93. 94 Katz ) Telephone # gll-emergency help

94 Speaker Barnes '

94 Keller To close

94 Speaker Barnes Amendment J!2 adopted. 3rd.

94 Keller Explains S.B. 1265

94 speaker Barnes S.B. 1265 passed

95 clerk selcke Reads S.B. 1266

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-24-741t

lPage Time Speaker Informationl

95 Speaker Barnest

95 . Keller Explains S.B. 1266

1 9s speaker sarnes!)l '95 Tuerk How much money?1 .i

95 Speaker Barnes

95 Keller

95 Speaker Barnes

95 Lechowicz Answers Tuerk

95 Speake: Barnes S.B. 1266 passed 'l11 96 Clerk Selcke Reads S.B. 1293 11j

'

. l) 96 speauer Barnes 1

,j jj ' -v 96 Maragos Explains S.B. 1293 -ï- 96 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1293 passed

.. j -i 96 Clerk Selcke Reads S.B. 1246h

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96 speaker Barnes jï) 96 Ryan Explains S.B. 1246l' 97 Speaker Barnes1'i1 97 cechowtcz out of recordl I4

97 Speaker Barnes 0ut of record1

l 97 clerk selcke s.B. 1550 .I

97 Speaker Barnes) .'

97 uol, Expzasns s.B. zsso li

4 97 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1550 passed j1 97 clerk Selcke Reads SB 1284 1'; j97

Speaker Barnesl* 98 Lechowicz Explains S.B. 1284!

. 98 speaker Barnest. ' 'Z .V '''.. tt xx à,'q o u . x .t . -,.w..w.' .

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M.......?.L' '......S . . . . . . ... .. . . . . x - .a . . . ., . . . p , s c.. .,. . . . s . .s. .

TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: ' 6-24-74

Paae Time Speaker Information

98 Ryan Hold that?

98 . Speaker Barnes

98 Lechowicz okay. 0ut of record '

98 Speaker Barnes

98 Clerk Selcke Reads S.B. 1350

98 Speaker Barnes

98 cfglio Explains S.B. 1350

99 ' Speaker Barnes

99 Hyde 'Aye'

99 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1350 passed

99 clerk Selcke S.B. 1354

99 Speaker Barnes *-

99 Kennedy Explains' S.B. 1354

100 speaker Barnes

100 Palmer ))

100 Kennedy)

100 Speaker Barnes

101 Lechowicz ) Answers Palmer)

10l Palmer )

10l Speaker Barnes

101 Maragos Yield?

10l speaker Barnes

101 Lechowicz ))

101 Maragos )

l02 speaker Barnes

102 Washburn

l02 s eaker Barnes.g.ç x-e x,kw .. -<a,' ;;k x.

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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE:

Paqe Time Speaker Information

l02 Kennedy To close

102 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1354 passed

l03 Clerk Selcke Reads S.B. 1355

103 Speaker Barnes

103 Kennedy Explains S.B. 1355

103 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1355 passed

103 Clerk O'Brien S.B. 1359

103 Speaker Barnes

l03 Schneider Explains S.B. 1359

l03 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1359 passed

l03 Clerk Selcke S.B. 1476

l03 Speaker Barnes

103 Macdonald Explalns's.B. 1476

l04 Speaker Barnes l

104 Macdonald To close

l04 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1476 passed

104 Clerk Selcke Reads S.B. 1081

104 Speaker Barnes

104 Neff Wants 1083 heard also

l04 Speaker Barnes Leave granted

104 Clerk Selcke Reads S.B. 1083

104 Speaker Barnes

104 Neff Explafns S.B. 1081 & 1083

105 Speaker Barnes

105, l06 Schneider ))

l06 Neff )

106 Speaker Barnes.::k ':En-. i p .

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6-24-74

TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 6-24-74

Paqe Time Speaker . Information

106 Hudson))

i 107 Neff )t1 1o7 speauer Barnes1 107 Peters Moves previous questionil1 l07 Speaker Barnes Previous questton moved!i ,

l07 Neff To close

108 Speaker Barnest .

l08 . Palmer Explains 'no' vote

1 108 Speaker Barnes$j 108 Leinenweber Explains 'no' vote . )-, 1o9 speaker Barnes IkEy ' ...1 1O9 calvo Explains vote1..?

'

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1 109 Speaker Barnes 'l .1 109 Nef f -kF! 1: 1zo calvo contlnues It j71j l10 Speaker Barnes

! 110 Clabaugb Explains vote) '!. llo speaker Barnes:-1i 110 Ewell I''k541)u 110 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1081y 1083 passedj?.ê 1l0 clerk selcke S.B. 1381

ll0 Speaker'Barnes 'Il10 Terzich Explains 1381

l10 Speaker Barnes

'. l10 Dyer )

)) 110 Terzich)*. . .

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Paqe Time Speaker Informaeion

111 Speaker Ba rnes S.B. 13:: passed

111 Clerk Selcke Reads S.B. 1394

l1l Speaker Barnes1l1 G. Hoffman Explalns S.B. 1394

l 1lz speauer Barnes1 ll2 Maragos ) yleld?1 )j 1l2 C. Hoffman)

)& 112 Speaker Barnes

:1'

112 Bradley ))

' ' 1 12 G. Itof fman)

ll2 Speaker Barnes

' ll2 G. Roffman To close

ll2 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1394 passed

1 113 czerk sezcke Reads s.B. 1237 . . .r*1

: l13 Speaker Barnes

-

113 ' Mahar Explains S.B. 1237

L' 113 Speaker Barnes S.B. 1237 passed

113 Clerk Selcke S. B. . 1612

!:) 113 ' Speaker Barnesk l13 Mahar Explains S. B. 1612

l' .

114 Speaker Barnest:y 1l5 , 116 Hudson ).

)ï: y).6 gajyar )g . .

. ' 117 Speaker Barnes

.t' 117 ciglio )z.

)A' 117 huhar )

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117 S eaker Barnes. X-t'l x L.w-

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TM NSCRIPTION INDEX DAW : 6-24-74

l .Paqe Time Speaker Informatfon

117 Friedland Moves previous question

ll7 Speaker Barnes Previous question moved

ll7 Mahar To close .?

118 Speaker Barnes

. 118 Hudson Explains fno' vote

119 Speaker Barnes

119 . Williams Explains îaye' vote

l19 Speaker Blair .

l20 Waddell Explains 'no' vote

120 Speaker Blair '1l20 Mann Explains 'no' vote

Mtcrophone difficulty *'-

l21 Speaker Blâir -

121 Palmer Explains vote

122 Speaker Blair

122 R. Hoffman Explains vote

122 Speaker Blair

122 Hill Explains vote

123 Speaker Blair

123 Geo-Karis Explains vote

123 Speaker Blair

123 Peters Explatns vote

124 Speaker Blair

124 Merlo Explains vote

125 Speaker Blair

125 Mahar Explains vote

125 speaker Blairl ..

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Paae Timlxvwvv - Speaker Informa tion

126 Speaker Blair

l26 Hunsicker Explains vote

l26 Speaker Blair

126 Hudson Verification

l26 Speaker Blair

126 Mahar Requests poll of absentees

126 Speaker Blair

126 Clerk'selcke Pells absentees

126 Speaker Blair

126 Clerk Selcke ) Verifies affirmative)

127, 128, Speaker Blair ))

l29 Hudson )

130 Speaker Blair

l30 Stiebl Votes 'aye' -

l30 Speaker B'lair

130 Pappas Votes 'aye'1

130 Speakèr Blair

130 Lauer Votes 'ayeî

130 Speaker Blair

130 Hudson Continues j130 Speaker Blair

l30 Dunn Votes 'present'

130 Hudson Continues

131 Speaker Blair

131 Hudson Finished

l3l Speaker Blair

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Paqe Time Speaker 'Informatlon '

l3l Speaker Blair

l31 Porter 'Present'

131 Speaker Blair

131 Williams Reconsider vote

l31 Speaker Blair S.B. 1612 passed

132 Pierce Moves Williams motfdn fails

l32 Speaker Blair Thanks Representative Barnes

132 W. Walsh Makes motion to keep Bills aliv

132 Speaker Blair

l32 Fleck Pofnt of information

133 Speaker Blair ) Leave to put Bills back on; ) -.r 133 Fleck )

l34 Choate ) Senate adjourning ' -)

l34 Fleck )

l34 Speaker Blair

l34 W. Walsh Supplemental Calendar

' 135 Speaker Blair

135 Cunningham Inquiry

' l35 Speaker Blair'

135 Lechowicz Motfon to reconsider vote R.B. 2361

' l36 Speaker Blair

136 Springer Agrees wïth motion

136 Speaker Blair

l36 LaFleur Dfsagrees..* .' l36 Speaker Blair Lechowicz's motion passed

' ble Amendment /!1 23 1C l36 Lechowicz Moves to ta).'- -- l36 speaker Blair

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Il36 Clebk Selcke Reads Amendment //7IIl36 Speaker Blalr .

137 Ryan Check each Amendment:.

l37 Speaker Blair H.B. 2361 0ut of record .

137 Brummet

137 Speaker Blair

137 Clerk Selcke !

137 Brummet Moves to table

138 Speaker Blalr

138 clerk Selcke Reads C.A. //1 to H.B. 2827

l38 speaker Blair

138 Lechowicz )) '

138 clerk Selcke) -

l38 Lechowicz Moves C.A. //1 adopted -

139 '' Yfelds to Washburn

139 speaker Blair

139 Washburn //1 should be tabled

139 Lecbowicz

l39 speaker Blatr C.A. /?1 tabled

139 Clerk Selcke Amendment //2

139 Speaker Blair

139 Wolf Moves adoption

l39 Speaker Blair

. l39 Brummet

139 speaker Blair Amendment f/2 fails. 3:d Reading

' l40 clerk selcke H.B. 2687'

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PaRe Time Speaker Information

140 Clerk Selcke H.B. 2480 2nd Held

140 Speaker Blair

140 Clerk Selcke H.B. 2487 2nd. Held

l40 Speaker Blair

140 CLerk Selcke H.B. 2665 2nd. held.

140 Speaker Blair

l41 Clerk Selcke .H.B. 2828. 2nd. held.

14l Speaker Blair

141 Tuerk Point of order

l4l Speaker Blair H.B. 2480, 2487, 2665. Taken off

142 Clerk Selcke H.B. 2897 2nd. Held.

142 speaker Blair - ..

- l42 Clerk Selcke H.B. 289: 2nd. Held.

l43 Speaker Blair )) -

l43 Schisler )

143 .speaker Blair

l43 Shea Motion on H.B. 2480, 2487, 2665.

144 Speaker Blatr

l44 Tuerk Disagrees with Shea

144 ' Speaker Blair

144 Sbea

144 Speaker Blair'

144 Tuerk ) Objects)

l44 Shea )

144 speaker Blair

144 Tuerk Still objects

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là5 speaker Blair) Needs 107 votes. )

l46 Sbep ) 89 votes

146 Speaker Blair

l46 W. Walsb Resents Shea's motion

146 Shea Asks Walsh support motion

147 Speaker Blaïr

147 Hanahan Speaks on Shea's motion

148 Speaker Blair ))

149 Sbea )

l49 Speaker Blair' Hanahan supports shea's motion149 -

150 Speaker Blair

l50 Tuerk Agafnst ' - -

151 Speaker Blair

151 W. Walsh Against

15l Speaker Blair

151 Shea T0 close

l52 Speaker Blair

152 Borchèrs Against

153 Speaker Blair

153 Lemke Against

15A Speaker Blair

154 Catania Supports

154 Speaker Telcser

155 R. Hoffman

155 Speaker Telcser

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155 * ' - Speaker Tel/s-v

155 Clerk Selcke Polls absentees

l56 Speaker Telcser

156 Clerk Selcke Reads Affirmative

156 Speaker Teleser

157, 158 Tuerk ))

l58 Speaker Telcser )

158 Craig How recorded?

158 Speaker 'relcser

159 Tuerk Continues

l60 Speaker Telcser

160 Tipsword How recorded? -

- l61 Selcke -

i 161 Speaker Telcser

: 161 Hanahan Questions

161 Speaker Telcser

!16l W. Walsb Lilatory1

i l6l Speaker Telcser

- l6l Hanahan

l61 Speaker Telcserl

l61 Farley How recorded?

- 162 Clerk Selcke)J. 162 Speaker Telcser

f. 162 Mcpartlin How recorded?r6 162 speaker Telcser

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30.1 lPaqe Time Speaker Informatioù

l62 Colllns -* Announcement

162 Speaker Telcser

162 K. Miller Announce ent .

163 Speaker Telcser( '

163 Juckett Inquiry

163 Speaker Telcser

163 Shea

164 Juckett Refers to SB. 1500

l64 Speaker Telcser

164 Choate

164 Speaker Telcser I

l64 ' èhtijevich Cives Juckett the Bill.

164 Speake'r Telcser ' -

164 Speaker Telcser H.R. 916 tablcd

An nt '164 Dyer nounceme

164 Speaker Telcser

l65 Hoffman) 1)

16 5 Dye ':: - ). !

166 ' Speaker Telcser )/166 Washburn ' Annouacement

166 Speaker Telcser Senate Bflls First

166 Clerk Selcke Reads Senate Bills First

l66 Speaker Telcser

l67 , 168 Clerk Selcke Messages f rom Senate'

169 Speaker 'relcser

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Page Time Speaker Inf6rma tion

l70 Speaker Telcser Agreed Resolutions Adopted

l70 ' Clerk Selcke Reads other Resolutions

170 Speaker Telcser .

170 Clerk Selcke Reads Death Resolutions

170 Speaker TElcser Resolutions adopted

170 Clerk Selcke Reads Agreed Resolutions

l70 Speaker Telcser

170 Leinenweber Members pay attention

170 . Speaker Telcser '

! l71 Clerk Selcke Continues

lk' 171 Speaker Telcser(

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) -.ï 171 Mann! ...) . -l72 Speaker Telcser .I .

l72 Leinenweber -

l 172 Ceo-Karis Sings Happy Birthday to CollinsI

172 Speaker Telcser

1 l72 W. Walsh Announcement

) l72 Speaker Telcser1. ' 172 Dyer Announcçment

l72 speaker Telcser

172 Shea ' Question of kalsh':

173 W. Walsh '

. 173 Speaker Telcser Table H.R. 2622

173 W. Walsh Moves House adjourn

L 173 Speaker Telcser House adjourned.k

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Page Time Speaker Information

SPECIAL SESSIOX - FIRST

1 Speaker Telcser First Special Session to order.

1 Clerk Selcke Reads S.B. 8 . 2nd.

l Speaker Telcser

1 Katz Explains C. A. //1.

1 Speaker Telcser C. A. //1 adopted

2 ' Speaker Telcser First Special stands adjourned.

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