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IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF SHAWNEE COUNTY, KANSASDIVISION TWOSTATE OF KANSAS

In th e Mat te r of th e Marr iage o fHALLECK RICHARDSON,P e t i t i o n e r ,

and CASE NO. 96-D-217CLAUDINE DOMBROWSKI,

Respondent .

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COURT'S RULING

Bad before the HONORABLE RICHARD D.ANDERSON, JUDGE, SECOND DIVISION, a t Topeka, Kansas ,on th e 8 th day of June , 2000.

APPEARANCESFor th e P e t i t i o n e r :Mr. Donald HoffmanAttorney a t Law112 W. 7 th S t r e e t , Garden Su i t eTopeka, KS 66603For th e Respondent :Ms. Rebecca KingAttorney a t Law808 Massachuse t t s

PO Box BLawrence KS 66044SHAWN R. HOFF, C.S .R . , R.P .R . THIRD JUDICIAL DISTRICT (785) 233-8200 Ext . 4392


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* * * *THE COURT: Okay. We're back on th e recor

a f t e r a break . During th e break th e Cour t Ser v i cesd id have some de minimis communicat ion with th eemployer ' s agen t . Miss Dombrowski s igned a r e l e a s eso t h a t Mr. Moore can communicate wi th he r employerrega rd ing wages, schedules and t h ings of t h a tn a t u r e .

At t h i s t ime th e Cour t i s ready to r u l e on th eob jec t i ons t o th e case manager ' s recommenda t ions .The Cour t w i l l make th e fo l lowing ru l ings andorde r s : I w i l l f i r s t go t h rough th e p o i n t s on Mr.Moore 's recommendat ions t h a t I am going to adoptt o t a l l y , then I w i l l address those t h a t I want tomake s p e c i a l comment o r exp lana t ion abou t .

F i r s t th e Cour t w i l l adop t recommendat ionnumber two. V i s i t a t i o n fo r Mr. Richardson w i l lexpand to have every o t h e r weekend v i s i t a t i o ncommencing on Fr iday evening and ending on ea r lySunday morning. The p a r t i e s a re d i r ec ted to v i s i twith Harry Moore about th e exac t t iming on t hosev i s i t s to determine th e pickup and drop o f f t i mes .I f you c a n ' t agree on t hos e , Mr. Moore w i l l tell thCour t what your vary ing proposa l s a re and I w i l lj u s t sua sponte e n t e r an o rd e r f i x ing t h e t i mes .

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But I want to give you some o p p o r tu n i t y to d i scu s sth e t imes because I 'm no t r e a l su re on yourschedu les .

The Cour t w i l l adopt recommendat ion numberfo u r . The hol iday schedu le w i l l be e s t a b l i s h e dc o n s i s t e n t wi th th e Shawnee County f ami ly lawg u i d e l i n e s . Mr. Richardson w i l l be denomina ted asp a re n t A, Miss Dombrowski w i l l be denomina ted asp a re n t B.

The Cour t w i l l a l so adopt recommendat ion numbef i v e . During t h i s summer Mr. Richardson w i l l haveno l e s s t han t h ree weeks v i s i t a t i o n with Rikki t h a to rd e r w i l l con t inue u n t i l a l t e r e d by th e C o u r t . Iam n o t going to p r e s c r i b e t h a t th e v i s i t a t i o nschedu le be adopted u n t i l age e i g h t . At th e momentshe i s f i v e , I b e l i ev e going on s i x , let's g i v e t h i ssummer a t r y . Next summer if t h e r e ' s a need tomodify t h a t schedu le it can be addressed to th e casemanager and we can r e v i s i t it. But I ha te tod i c t a t e a v i s i t a t i o n fo r the summer fo r a youngc h i l d l i k e t h a t too fa r in to t h e f u t u r e because Iknow it won ' t work and somebody w i l l be back beforeme t r y i n g to modify it. So f i v e w i l l be adoptedwith t h a t ex p l an a t i o n .

Okay. I w i l l a l so adop t th e su g g e s t i o n o r

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recommendat ion Mr. Moore makes in i tem number s ixr e g a rd in g ch i ld su p p o r t . At th e C o u r t ' s l a s thea r ing th e Cour t d i r ec ted th e p a r t i e s to exchangeea rn ings in fo rma t ion and determine whethe r c h i l dsuppor t should be r e v i s i t e d . There has been nomotion f i l e d to my knowledge. I 'm going to d i r e c tth e p a r t i e s to f i l e th e ch i ld suppor t worksheetswi th in 15 days from today , t h a t means y o u ' l l need toexchange f i n a n c i a l in fo rma t ion . I f you can agree ona worksheet , one can be submi t t ed to th e Cour t andt hen I want your pos i t i on on whether th e Cour tshould adopt it o r main ta in th e s t a t u s quo on th ec h i l d suppor t .

The Cour t i s going to c l a r i f y number e i g h t . Tth e ex ten t t he re i s a r e s t r a i n i n g o rd e r en te red andremaining e f f e c t i v e between t hese p a r t i e s th e Cour tw i l l permi t communicat ion between th e pa ren t s onmat t e r s concerning Rikk i . That means th e sc h e d u l e ,and o t h e r i t ems t h a t may need to be addressedbetween t he paren t s as to Rikk i .

In con junc t ion with th e ch i ld su p p o r t worksheet h e r e needs to be some exchange of i n fo rm a t io nb e t ~ e e n th e p a r t i e s on unre imbursed medica lexpenses . I have no idea what i s undernea th t h a tr e f e r en ce in Mr. Moore 's r e p o r t or whether it's an


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i s sue between t he s e p a r t i e s a t all, b u t to th ee x t e n t it i s t h a t needs to be submi t t ed to th e Coura long wi th your pos i t i ons on th e c h i l d s u p p o r t .

Now as to i tems number one, t h r e e , f ou r andseven t hos e a re a l l r e l a t e d to t h i s c on t inu ingdeba te as to where th e mother should be pe rm i t t e d tol i v e . At t h i s t ime th e Cour t i s no t going to a l t e rJudge B uche l e ' s orde r , th e mother w i l l main ta in ar e s ide nc e in Topeka u n t i l f u r t h e r orde r of th eCour t . with t h a t orde r i tem number t h r e e i s no tgoing to be adopted de a l ing with th e exchange a tS a l i n a . And i tem number seven i s r e a l l y i r r e l e v a n tto th e Cour t ' s o rde r .

I unders t and t h a t th e p a r t i e s w i l l need tocon t i nue to develop and f o s t e r e f f o r t s tocommunicate b e t t e r . I 'm going to encourage you todo t h a t and I w i l l encourage you to th e e x t e n t youneed some he lp i n r e f i n i n g and c l a r i fy i n g i s s u e s toengage Mr. Moore in t h a t proc e s s . Hopefu l ly you canbe weaned e ve n t ua l l y . I know t h a t w i l l happene v e n t u a l l y , bu t fo r th e moment he i s a v a i l a b l e t ohe lp you communicate , de f ine i s sues so t h a t you cana t l e a s t main ta in your c o n t r o l and focus . Also iti s r e a l l y t ime to a l t e r th e moni tored exchangeprogram. I am going to r e s c ind the o rde r t h a t those

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exchanges occur a t t he s a fe v i s i t program. I 'mgoing to al low th e p a r t i e s l a t i t u d e to i nc lude int h e i r communicat ions whether t hey want to beg in withan exchange a t a pub l i c p l ace l i k e McDonalds o r ar e s t a u r a n t o r whatever you may choose . Or if th epa re n t s a re w i l l i n g to give a t r y to an exchanged i r e c t l y , I 'm w i l l i n g to p e rm i t you to g ive it at r y . Again t h a t might be an i s sue t h a t you need tohave f a c i l i t a t e d t h rough Mr. Moore 's e f f o r t s . Butt h i nk it's r e a l l y impor tan t fo r you now to s o r t ofchange th e d i r e c t i o n you 've t r a v e l e d and see if youcan have some c o n t a c t in r egard to th e exchanges .And to th e e x t e n t t h a t th e exchanges would p la c e yoin momentary c o n t a c t with one a no the r , t her e s t r a i n i n g or de r would be modi f i ed to t h a t e x t e n t .The r e s t r a i n i n g or de r goes more to th e no v i o l e n tc o n t a c t , no t h r e a t e n i ng behav i o r s towards onea no the r . Both o f you have been in th e c o u r t systemlong enough now t h a t I t h i nk you unders t and th eorde r s and you need to r e s p e c t th e o r d e r s as j u s td i r e c t i o n s on your behav i o r . I d o n ' t t h i nk e i t h e rone of you a t t h i s p o i n t want to con t i nue t he courso f deba te and d i s p u t e t h a t you 've had. And as toth e e x t e n t th e exchanges r e qu i r e b r i e f c o n t a c t , t h aw i l l be a l lowed, and I encourage you to work o u t th e



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d e t a i l s of t h a t i f you can between your se l ve s . I fyou c a n ' t , perhaps Mr. Moore can he lp you focus andmake some de te rmina t ions .

Now fo r the moment t h a t br ings us to a ques t ioas to the Wednesday n igh t v i s i t a t i o n . The Cour t i sgoing to main ta in Wednesday n i gh t s fo r th e moment oexcuse me, Wednesday v i s i t a t i o n s as pre v i ous l ys t a t ed in the Cour t ' s o rde r . One poin t in which thpa re n t s might wish to communicate i s whether t h a tWednesday v i s i t a t i o n could be expanded by agreemento an overn igh t . I know you have t h ree weeks t h i ssummer where t h e r e ' s going to be extendedv i s i t a t i o n . It may not work, bu t I t h i nk both ofyou should look a t t h i s schedule as a minimum o r d e rt h a t you ' r e f r ee to expand o r change in ce r t a in wayso long as th e minimums a re main ta ined . By no meana re th e p a r t i e s to change th e Cour t ' s minimumrequ i rements .

Now I am f u r t h e r going to i n s t r u c t Mr. Moore-and t h i s i s not a p a r t of the orde r d i r e c t e d t o th ep a r t i e s - - to communicate with th e employer a t theLarned S ta t e Hospi ta l to g e t th e Cour t morein format ion on Miss Dombrowski 's work schedules .She ' s r epor ted t h a t she be l i e ve s she i s fac ing adilemma in her employment . The Court needs more



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in format ion in t h a t r e ga rd .Now dur ing th e immediate fu tu re when you ' r e

going to be communicat ing and working t h rough Mr.Moore t he re i s no need fo r e i t h e r o f you to addresswith Mr. Moore th e sub j e c t of th e move. I t h inkeverybody has sa id about a l l t h a t needs to be sa idon t h a t to th e case manager . To th e e x t e n t th eCour t i s going to r e v i s i t t hose i s sues I t h i n k th ep a r t i e s need to br ing t h a t m a t t e r d i r e c t l y to th eCour t .

Now no one has r a i s ed t h i s prospe c t , b u t botho f you have argued as to whether t h e r e ' s a ruse ort e c h n i c a l compliance with th e Judge B uc he le ' s o rde rt h a t the move be in Topeka. These pa re n t s a r e j u s tabou t to face a c o n f l i c t on an i s sue t h a t I d o n ' tknow how much t hought has been de d ic a t e d to it, bu tRikki , by my count , would be about e l i g i b l e to beg ischoo l and probably in th e f a l l schoo l w i l l begin .And whi le we have had some f l e x i b i l i t y because o fher age to begin t h i s program of v i s i t a t i o n s i nc eNovember, when she begins school t h a t could changeth e game. And t h a t i s probably a p o i n t o f whethe rfocused on by Mr. Richardson a t t h i s p o i n t o r anyarguments o r what i s t hought abou t , I d o n ' t know.But it's now t ime fo r both paren t s to very s e r i o u s l

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t a l k about th e i s sue of schoo l and see whatagreemen t s can be reached . I f th e two of you canagree t h a t r e l a t i o n s h i p can be fo s t e r e d longd i s t a n c e , t h a t ' s one t h i n g . I f you c a n ' t a g re e ,that's going to be q u i t e a n o th e r t h ing and t h e r e ' sgoing to be an i r r e c o n c i l a b l e c o n f l i c t be tween th etwo o f you t h a t i s going to have t o be pre s e n t e d toth e Cour t . Because t he r e w i l l be perhaps an i s s u eas to compet ing c la ims as to r e s ide nc y , s choo l s andt h i n g s l i k e t h a t .

So I t h i n k it's t ime fo r bo th of you to g e to v e r th e c o n f l i c t as b e s t you can and r e a l l y f o r , Ihope no t th e first t i me , bu t c e r t a i n l y now make soms e r i o u s c o n s i d e r a t i o n s between you in yourn e g o t i a t i o n s as to what your life and R i k k i ' s lifei s going to be l i k e from t h i s p o i n t fo rward . Id o n ' t know, I mean, I d o n ' t have a c r y s t a l b a l l . Ocour s e wi th th e h i s t o r y of t h i s cas e t he Cour t doesno t have a gre a t dea l of conf idence t h a t you canqu i ck l y r e s o lve all of your d i s p u t e s , b u t you r e a l lneed to begin p u t t i n g Rikk i ahead of th e c o n f l i c tand arguments over whet he r t h e r e i s o r isn't a moveand t h a t needs to be done r i g h t now. Butr ecogn i z i ng what th e s i t u a t i o n has been I am goingto g ive you a hea r i ng da t e J u l y 21 a t 9:00 o ' c l o c k

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1 and th e purpose o f th e hear ing w i l l be to h e a r from2 th e p a r t i e s r eq u es t s rega rd ing R i k k i ' s sc h o o l ,3 whether a move should be accompl i shed . By t h a t t im4 th e Cour t w i l l have in fo rma t ion from th e employer

and I'll be ab le to make a r e a l i s t i c asses sment a t6 t h a t p o i n t and t ime about th e employment dilemma.7 would sugges t to Miss Dombrowski t h a t she no t8 abandon e f f o r t s to look a t j obs o t h e r t han what you9 have . It w i l l be impor t an t a t l e a s t to your

p o s i t i o n to be ab le to show th e Cour t t h a t you have11 not i n v es t ed y o u r se l f e n t i r e ly in Pawnee Rock with12 your employment .13 So when we come back to C o u r t - if you- and14 hopefu l ly you won ' t even need to because you w i l l

r each some agreements , bu t l i k e I say , I 'm n o t a l l16 t h a t o p t i m i s t i c in t h a t r e g a rd , bu t we a re coming t17 a c r i t i c a l po in t i n t h i s c h i l d ' s l i f e where a18 d e c i s i o n ' s going to have to be made where s h e ' s19 going to schoo l . And both of th e p a r t i e s a re t ak i n

some b ig r i s k s now on t h a t d ec i s i o n and t h i s move i21 going to be squa re ly in f r o n t of us a g a in . You've22 balanced two r e s i d en ces , you were before me once23 b e f o r e , I found t h a t you were not in con tempt o f24 Cour t and t h a t was probab ly p r i mar i l y because I f e l

t h a t th e proof r equ i red fo r a contempt was s imply

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no t made ava i l ab l e t o th e Cour t . They f a i l e d int h e i r proof and I ' v e ment ioned t h a t two o r t h r e ed i f f e r e n t t im e s . And I know Mr. Richardson ' s s ideo f th e case says , wel l , Judqe , it's been a r u se froday one and you need to jump in here and g e t itr i g h t . But to g e t it r i g h t r eq u i r ed a quantum ofevidence and a burden of proof to be met , which Id i d n ' t f i n d . So I want to see some r e a l improvemein th e r e l a t i o n s h i p . I want th e p a r t i e s to havesome c l e a r d i r e c t i o n on where t h e y ' r e going to gowith t h e i r l i f e and t h e i r c h i l d . But ba r r ing somes u b s t a n t i a l improvement th e Cour t i s going to makesome o rd e r s in Ju ly t h a t I t h ink w i l l be necessa ryin t h i s c a s e . And r i g h t now, you know, it's up inth e a i r so you ' r e both a t r i sk and you need to besomewhat c rea t ive in your t h ink ing process aboutyour p r o p o sa l s .

I am going to d e l i v e r to your c o u n s e l adocument t h a t Professo r Elrod gave to th e Cour t ina n t i c i p a t i o n of some of th e r equ i r ement s t h a t a regoing to be under th e new law i n p a r en t i n g p l an s anso f o r t h . I want t he paren t s to look it o v e r , I 'mnot a sk ing counse l neces s a r i l y to invo lve themselvein a g r e a t amount of d e t a i l a t t h i s p o i n t . But Iwant t h e p a r en t s to he aware of some of th e i s s u e s

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and I t h i n k he r form w i l l s ugge s t i s s u e s t h a t needto be d i s c u s s e d and t hought abou t .

At th e t ime of your hear ing on J u l y 2 1 ,however , c ouns e l shou ld have a p r e t t y s p e c i f i c plant h a t t h e y ' re going to ask th e C our t to adop t on th ep a re n t i n g p r o p o s a l . So t h a t ' s what I 'm going to bemost concerned a bou t . The h i s t o r y o f th e c a s e a tl e a s t from t h i s J u d g e ' s view i s s imply h i s t o r y , ite x c i t e s and a g g r a v a t e s th e p a r t i e s , it r e a l l y i s n oall t h a t r e l ev an t t o th e C our t today in s t r u c t u r i n gwhat w e ' r e going to do in th e f u t u r e .

I f t h e r e a re i s su es o r q u e s t i o n s r e g a rd in gi n t e r e s t e d p a r t i e s on v i s i t a t i o n th e i n t e r e s t e dp a r t i e s may file a motion t o i n t e r v e n e . I f t heyi n t e r v e n e in t h i s case t h e i r r i g h t s can bec o n s id e re d , t hey w i l l be s u b j e c t to th e j u r i s d i c t i oof th e C our t and enforcement o f any o f th e C o u r t ' so r d e r . B ut t h e r e was sugges t ion t oday t h a t t h e r e ' sa grandmother i nvo lved in th e h i s t o r y , I d o n ' t knowif t h e r e i s o r isn't an i s su e o r problem t h a t needsto be addressed . But an i n t e r e s t e d p a r t y can movet o i n t e r v e n e . I f e i t h e r p a r ty wants to j o i n someone l s e th e Cour t would a l so e n t e r t a i n t h a t m ot ion .w o u l d n ' t - - you know, a n d ~ I d o n ' t i n v i t e t h a t fromth e p a r t i e s , I t h in k you 've go t enough to de ba t e


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a b o u t between y o u r s e lv e s w i t h o u t t h rowi ng a n o th e rpa r ty i n t o th e mix. But t h a t ' s up to you and yours t r a t e g i e s and your c o u n s e l ' s judgment .

I b e l i e v e t h a t conc l udes th e iS,sues t h a t th eCour t sees b e fo re it f o r dec i s i on t o d a y . I am gointo d i r e c t t h a t th e c o u r t r e p o r t e r p re p a re at r a n s c r i p t of t h i s o r d e r and it w i l l be a t t a c h e d toj u s t a one l i n e j o u r n a l e n t r y . These w i l l be myf i n d i n g s of f a c t and c o n c lu s io n s on th e o b j e c t i o n st h a t I t ook up t oday . So I 'm not go ing t o r e q u i r ec o u n s e l to p re p a re an e x t r a j o u r n a l e n t r y , w e ' l lj u s t use th e t r a n s c r i p t . I 'm going t o a s s i g n th ec o s t s o f t h e o rd e r h a l f to each p a r t y .

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STATE OF KANSASCOUNTY OF SHAWNEE

C E R T I F I C A T EI , Shawn R. Hoff , a C e r t i f i e d

Shor t hand R e p o r t e r , unde r and by v i r t u e of th elaws of th e S t a t e of Kansas , do hereby c e r t i f yt h a t I was p r e s e n t a t and r e po r t e d i n machinesho r thand th e above and fo rego ing proceed ings had ont he da t e above s e t ou t be fo re th e HONORABLE RICHARDD. ANDERSON, JUDGE, of th e Second D i v i s i o n .

I f u r t h e r c e r t i f y t h a t th e fo rego ing i s at r u e and c o r r e c t t r a n s c r i p t of my no te s in sa i dc a s e .

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have he reun to s e t myhand and s e a l t h i s 2 1 s t day of J u n e , 2000.

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