45th Parallel Trial Transcript vol IX

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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE STATE OF OREGON

FOR THE COUNTY OF MALHEUR

STATE OF OREGON

Plaintiff-Respondent,

vs.

WILLIAM JAMES ESBENSEN, III,

Defendant-Appellant.

Malheur County Trial Court

No. 12-09-4824C

CA A157405

VOLUME IX

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE STATE OF OREGON

FOR THE COUNTY OF MALHEUR

STATE OF OREGON, ) Malheur County Trial CourtNo. 12-09-4824C

Plaintiff-Respondent, )CA A157405

vs. )

WILLIAM JAMES ESBENSEN, III, )

Defendant-Appellant. )___________________________________

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VERIFYING DEFENSE EXHIBITS

COURT REPORTER: All rise.

THE COURT: Good morning, please be seated.

MR. KIYUNA: Morning, judge.

THE COURT: Okay, we are taking up in the matter of

State of Oregon v. William James Esbensen, in case number 12-

09-4824C and in the matter of State of Oregon v. Raymond Scott

Kangas, in case number 12-09-4828C.

So, when we ended yesterday we were trying to make

sure we had all of Mr. Esbensen s exhibits correct because we

had some number changing. So can we get that taken care of?

MS. GERBER: Yes, judge. I do want to apologize

(INAUDIBLE) for how late I am, but I had a mentally ill client at

SRCI that I had to deal with; him and his family, and I apologize

for that.

THE COURT: Okay.

MS. GERBER: Just had a conflict at the last minute. We

had exhibits 1 through well, 1000 through 1037 we d move to

admit at this point. Mr. Dugan s had a chance to see them. I m

not sure if he has any...

THE COURT: Which ones? 1000...

MS. GERBER: 1000 to 1037.

COURT REPORTER: And I believe there s no

(INAUDIBLE).

THE COURT: So let s just make sure we got them

identified correctly. I have as 1000, the 45t Parallel Grower

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VERIFYING DEFENSE EXHIBITS 1613

C O U R T R E P O R T E R : A l l r i s e .1

T H E C O U R T : Go o d m o r n i n g , p l e a s e b e s e a t e d .2

M R . K I Y U N A : M o r n i n g , j u d g e .3

T H E C O U R T : O k a y, w e a r e t a k i n g u p i n t h e m a t t e r o f 4

S t a t e o f O r e g o n v . W i l l i a m J a m e s E s b e n s e n , i n c a s e n u m b e r 1 2 -5

0 9 - 4 8 2 4 C a n d i n t h e m a t t e r o f S t a t e o f O r e g o n v . R a y m o n d S c o t t6

K a n g a s , i n c a s e n u m b e r 1 2 - 0 9 - 4 8 2 8 C .7

S o , w h e n w e e n d e d y e s t e r d a y w e w e r e t r yi n g t o m a k e8

s u r e w e h a d a l l o f M r . E s b e n s e n s e x h i b i t s c o r r e c t b e c a u s e w e9

h a d s o m e n u m b e r c h a n g i n g . S o c a n w e g e t t h a t t a k e n c a r e o f ?10

M S . G E R B E R : Y e s , j u d g e . I d o w a n t t o a p o l o g i z e11

( I N A UD I B LE ) f o r h o w l a t e I a m , b u t I h a d a m e n t a l l y i l l c l i e n t a t12

S R C I t h a t I h a d t o d e a l w i t h ; h i m a n d h i s f a m i l y , a n d I a p o l o g i z e13

f o r t h a t .14

T H E C O U R T : O k a y .15

M S . G E R B E R : J u s t h a d a c o n f l i c t a t t h e l a s t m i n u t e . W e16

h a d e x h i b i t s 1 t h r o u g h w e l l , 1 0 0 0 t h r o u g h 1 0 3 7 w e d m o v e t o17

a d m i t a t t h i s p o i n t . M r . D u g a n s h a d a c h a n c e t o s e e t h e m . I m18

n o t s u r e i f h e h a s a n y . . .19

T H E C O U R T : W h i c h o n e s ? 1 0 0 0 . . .20

M S . G E R B E R : 1 0 0 0 t o 1 0 3 7 .21

C O U R T R E P O R T E R : A n d I b e l i e v e t h e r e s n o22

( I N A U D I B L E ) .23

T H E C O U R T : S o l e t s j u s t m a k e s u r e w e g o t t h e m24

i d e n t i f i e d c o r r e c t l y . I h a v e a s 1 0 0 0 , t h e 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l G r o w e r 25



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Contract; 1001, an application for OMMP card. That was not

offered is that correct?

COURT REPORTER: That s correct.

MS. GERBER: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay. So we re looking at 1000, then

1002, and 1003 are the photos of the 45th Parallel. Do you have

any objection to 1000, 1002, or 1003?

MR. DUGAN: Uh, no.

THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Kiyuna, if you have an

objection speak up; otherwise I m just going to expect they re

coming in, alright?

MR. KIYUNA: Okay. No objection, judge.

THE COURT: Okay. Then we had 1004 is the Malheur

Federal Credit Union designation; 1005 was hearings on March

1s

, 2003 involving Judge Sullivan. I m not quite sure what those

are. Um, Mr. Dugan, do you have an objection to 1004 or 1005?

MR. DUGAN: Um, 1005, again was what Your Honor?

THE COURT: Well it s listed here as hearings on March

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of 2003 of Judge Sullivan.

COURT REPORTER: And, judge, (INAUDIBLE) record I

have it as Mark Young s sentencing transcript.

MR. DUGAN: I have it as Mark Young s sentencing

transcript as well.

COURT REPORTER: That s just what I heard in court

and that s what I identified on my list.

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C o n t r a c t ; 1 0 0 1 , a n a p p l i c a t i o n f o r O M M P c a r d . T h a t w a s n o t1

o f f e r e d i s t h a t c o r r e c t ?2

C O U R T R E P O R T E R : T h a t s c o r r e c t .3

M S . G E R B E R : Y e s .4

T H E C O U R T : O k a y . S o w e r e l o o k i n g a t 1 0 0 0 , t h e n5

1 0 0 2 , a n d 1 0 0 3 a r e t h e p h o t o s o f t h e 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l . D o yo u h a v e6

a n y o b j e c t i o n t o 1 0 0 0 , 1 0 0 2 , o r 1 0 0 3 ?7

M R . D U G A N : U h , n o .8

T H E C O U R T : O k a y . M r . K i yu n a , i f y o u h a v e a n9

o b j e c t i o n s p e a k u p ; o t h e r w i s e I m j u s t g o i n g t o e x p e c t t h e y r e10

c o m i n g i n , a l r i g h t ?11

M R . K I Y U N A: O k a y . N o o b j e c t i o n , j u d g e .12

T H E C O U R T : O k a y . T h e n w e h a d 1 0 0 4 i s t h e M a l h e u r 13

F e d e r a l C r e d i t U n i o n d e s i g n a t i o n ; 1 0 0 5 w a s h e a r i n g s o n M a r c h14

1 s t , 2 0 0 3 i n v o l v i n g J u d g e S u l l i v a n . I m n o t q u i t e s u r e w h a t t h o s e15

a r e . U m , M r . D u g a n , d o y o u h a v e a n o b j e c t i o n t o 1 0 0 4 o r 1 0 0 5 ?16

M R . D U G A N : U m , 1 0 0 5 , a g a i n w a s w h a t Y o u r H o n o r ?17

T H E C O U R T : W e l l i t s l i s t e d h e r e a s h e a r i n g s o n M a r c h18

1 s t o f 2 0 0 3 o f J u d g e S u l l i v a n .19

C O U R T R E P O R T E R : A n d , j u d g e , ( I N A U D IB L E ) r e c o r d I20

h a v e i t a s M a r k Y o u n g s s e n t e n c i n g t r a n s c r i p t .21

M R . D U G A N : I h a v e i t a s M a r k Y o u n g s s e n t e n c i n g22

t r a n s c r i p t a s w e l l .23

C O U R T R E P O R T E R : T h a t s j u s t w h a t I h e a r d i n c o u r t24

a n d t h a t s w h a t I i d e n t i f i e d o n m y l i s t .25



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MR. DUGAN: And I m not prepared to stipulate

(INAUDIBLE).

THE COURT: Can I see can I just see the exhibits?

MS. GERBER: What was the last number so I can just

add the number.

THE COURT: Well, if I can just get them starting with

well, the 37 of them, the 37 of them that we have I m just

going to go over and see the objections and make sure we have

them down right.

MS. GERBER: Absolutely. Unfortunately I wasn t taught

in law school how to do this, judge. My staff is not

(INAUDIBLE).

THE COURT: Okay, give me just a second. Alright,

here s what we re going to do. For what s in order, I have put

1000, 1002, and 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 1012, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19,

20, 21, a second document entitled exhibit 1021, 1022, 23, 24,

25, 26, 28, 29, 31, 32, 34, and at the very end, don t lose it,

1037.

I have taken out of the mix one that s entitled 1023,

which seems to be a duplicate of one that s already in.

So here s what we re going to do for a moment. We re

going to take a few minutes here, so Mr. Dugan whoa, you

got that one dropping, and then this is the one I pulled out. Mr.

Dugan and Ms. Gerber, Mr. Kiyuna, if you d please take a look at

those, make sure that they tie in with the exhibit lists and the

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M R . D U G A N : A n d I m n o t p r e p a r e d t o s t i p u l a t e1

( I N A U D I B L E ) .2

T H E C O U R T : C a n I s e e c a n I j u s t s e e t h e e x h i b i t s ?3

M S . G E R B E R : W h a t w a s t h e l a s t n u m b e r s o I c a n j u s t4

a d d t h e n u m b e r .5

T H E C O U R T : W e l l , i f I c a n j u s t g e t t h e m s t a r t i n g w i t h6

w e l l , t h e 3 7 o f t h e m , t h e 3 7 o f t h e m t h a t w e h a v e I m j u s t7

g o i n g t o g o o v e r a n d s e e t h e o b j e c t i o n s a n d m a k e s u r e w e h a v e8

t h e m d o w n r i g h t .9

M S . G E R B E R : A b s o l u t e l y . U n f o r t u n a t e l y I w a s n t t a u g h t10

i n l a w s c h o o l h o w t o d o t h i s , j u d g e . M y s t a f f i s n o t11

( I N A U D I B L E ) .12

T H E C O U R T : O k a y , g i v e m e j u s t a s e c o n d . A l r i g h t ,13

h e r e s w h a t w e r e g o i n g t o d o . F o r w h a t s i n o r d e r , I h a v e p u t14

1 0 0 0 , 1 0 0 2 , a n d 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 1 0 , 1 0 1 2 , 1 3 , 1 4 , 1 5 , 1 6 , 1 7 , 1 8 , 1 9 ,15

2 0 , 2 1 , a s e c o n d d o c u m e n t e n t i t l e d e x h i b i t 1 0 2 1 , 1 0 2 2 , 2 3 , 2 4 ,16

2 5 , 2 6 , 2 8 , 2 9 , 3 1 , 3 2 , 3 4 , a n d a t t h e v e r y e n d , d o n t l o s e i t ,17

1 0 3 7 .18

I h a v e t a k e n o u t o f t h e m i x o n e t h a t s e n t i t l e d 1 0 2 3 ,19

w h i c h s e e m s t o b e a d u p l i c a t e o f o n e t h a t s a l r e a d y i n .20

S o h e r e s w h a t w e r e g o i n g t o d o f o r a m o m e n t . W e r e21

g o i n g t o t a k e a f e w m i n u t e s h e r e , s o M r . D u g a n w h o a , y o u22

g o t t h a t o n e d r o p p i n g , a n d t h e n t h i s i s t h e o n e I p u l l e d o u t . M r .23

D u g a n a n d M s . G e r b e r , M r . K i yu n a , i f y o u d p l e a s e t a k e a l o o k a t24

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numbers there and so the state can identify the ones that they

object to. And then we ll have to go through those steps. So, take

a couple of minutes to do that.

(RECESS)

THE COURT: Exhibit 1 0 0 0, 45th Parallel Compassion

Group, LLC, a designated grower contract. Any objection?

MR. DUGAN: No.

MR. KIYUNA: No.

THE COURT: Okay. Exhibit 2, which is a picture of the

inside of the 45th Parallel, and exhibit 3, which is also a picture

designated as the inside of the 45th Parallel. Any objections?

MR. DUGAN: Uh, no. I think that was already entered

though.

THE COURT: Right, I m just going to go through them

so that there s no question for the record. Exhibit 104, the

Malheur Federal Credit Union authorization designation.

MR. DUGAN: No, no objection.

THE COURT: Okay. Exhibit 1 0 0 6, a 45th Compassion

Group, LLC designated grower contract.

MR. DUGAN: No objection.

MR. KIYUNA: No objection.

THE COURT: Um, I kind of guess that from you Mr.

Kiyuna, but you speak up if there s an objection, okay?

MR. KIYUNA: Okay.

THE COURT: Exhibit 108, the DPSST public safety

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n u m b e r s t h e r e a n d s o t h e s t a t e c a n i d e n t i f y t h e o n e s t h a t t h e y1

o b j e c t t o . A n d t h e n w e l l h a v e t o g o t h r o u g h t h o s e s t e p s . S o , t a k e2

a c o u p l e o f m i n u t e s t o d o t h a t .3

( R E C E S S )4

T H E C O U R T : E x h i b i t 1 0 0 0 , 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l C o m p a s s i o n5

G r o u p , L LC , a d e s i g n a t e d g r o w e r c o n t r a c t . A n y o b j e c t i o n ?6

M R . D U G A N : N o .7

M R . K I Y U N A : N o .8

T H E C O U R T : O k a y . E x h i b i t 2 , w h i c h i s a p i c t u r e o f t h e9

i n s i d e o f t h e 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l , a n d e x h i b i t 3 , w h i c h i s a l s o a p i c t u r e10

d e s i g n a t e d a s t h e i n s i d e o f t h e 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l . A n y o b j e c t i o n s ?11

M R . D U G A N : U h , n o . I t h i n k t h a t w a s a l r e a d y e n t e r e d12

t h o u g h .13

T H E C O U R T : R i g h t , I m j u s t g o i n g t o g o t h r o u g h t h e m14

s o t h a t t h e r e s n o q u e s t i o n f o r t h e r e c o r d . E x h i b i t 1 0 4 , t h e15

M a l h e u r F e d e r a l C r e d i t U n i o n a u t h o r i z a t i o n d e s i g n a t i o n .16

M R . D U G A N : N o , n o o b j e c t i o n .17

T H E C O U R T : O k a y . E x h i b i t 1 0 0 6 , a 4 5 t h C o m p a s s i o n18

G r o u p , L LC d e s i g n a t e d g r o w e r c o n t r a c t .19

M R . D U G A N : N o o b j e c t i o n .20

M R . K I Y U N A : N o o b j e c t i o n .21

T H E C O U R T : U m , I k i n d o f g u e s s t h a t f r o m y o u M r .22

K i y u n a , b u t y o u s p e a k u p i f t h e r e s a n o b j e c t i o n , o k a y ?23

M R . K I Y U N A : O k a y .24

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officer records for Bradley Williams.


THE COURT: Exhibit 1010, which is the...

MR. DUGAN: I object to that.

THE COURT: ...(INAUDIBLE) for Ms. Gardner.

MR. DUGAN: That contains a lot of hearsay. It also is

improper impeachment. It just doesn t you know, that just isn t

the way you go about impeachment.

THE COURT: We ll take that up again in a few minutes.

I m going to go through all these first. Exhibit 1012, Jonathan

Alden Turner s petition to plead guilty.

MR. DUGAN: Um, Mr. Turner didn t testify so that s,

um, um, I m not sure what the relevance is at all, um, to that. It s

not impeachment because he didn t testify, so we d object to that.

THE COURT: I think this was the point of showing that

other defendants got other offers; and I think I limited some of

the discussion on that. I m going to go ahead and receive 1012.

Then exhibit 1013 for Ryan Lowe, which would ve been

the same.

MR. DUGAN: The same objection.

THE COURT: Yeah, I ll receive 1013. And then we have

a couple pictures of the inside of the 45th Parallel given with the

area that Ms. Smith-Mott testified to seen in to see Mr. Esbensen.

Uh, exhibit 1014 and 1015. Any objection?


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o f f i c e r r e c o r d s f o r B r a d l e y W i l l i a m s .1


T H E C O U R T : E x h i b i t 1 0 1 0 , w h i c h i s t h e . . .3

M R . D U G A N : I o b j e c t t o t h a t .4

T H E C O U R T : . . . ( I N A U D I B L E ) f o r M s . G a r d n e r .5

M R . D U G A N : T h a t c o n t a i n s a l o t o f h e a r s a y . I t a l s o i s6

i m p r o p e r i m p e a c h m e n t . I t j u s t d o e s n t y o u k n o w , t h a t j u s t i s n t7

t h e w a y y o u go a b o u t i m p e a c h m e n t .8

T H E C O U R T : We l l t a k e t h a t u p a g a i n i n a f e w m i n u t e s .9

I m g o i n g t o g o t h r o u g h a l l t h e s e f i r st . E x h i b i t 1 0 1 2 , J o n a t h a n10

A l d e n T u r n e r s p e t i t i o n t o p l e a d g u i l t y .11

M R . D U G A N : U m , M r . T u r n e r d i d n t t e s t i f y s o t h a t s ,12

u m , u m , I m n o t s u r e w h a t t h e r e l e v a n c e i s a t a l l , u m , t o t h a t . I t s13

n o t i m p e a c h m e n t b e c a u s e h e d i d n t t e s t i f y , so w e d o b j e c t t o t h a t .14

T H E C O U R T : I t h i n k t h i s w a s t h e p o i n t o f s h o w i n g t h a t15

o t h e r d e f e n d a n t s g o t o t h e r o f f e r s ; a n d I t h i n k I l i m i t e d s o m e o f 16

t h e d i s c u s s i o n o n t h a t . I m g o i n g t o g o a h e a d a n d r e c e i v e 1 0 1 2 .17

T h e n e x h i b i t 1 0 1 3 f o r R y a n L o w e , w h i c h w o u l d v e b e e n18

t h e s a m e .19

M R . D U G A N : T h e s a m e o b j e c t i o n .20

T H E C O U R T : Y e a h , I ll r e c e i v e 1 0 1 3 . A n d t h e n w e h a v e21

a c o u p l e p i c t u r e s o f t h e i n s i d e o f t h e 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l g i v e n w i t h t h e22

a r e a t h a t M s . S m i t h - M o t t t e s t i f i e d t o s e e n i n t o s e e M r . E s b e n s e n .23

U h , e x h i b i t 1 0 1 4 a n d 1 0 1 5 . A n y o b j e c t i o n ?24




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THE COURT: Then I have a Public Health Division...


THE COURT: ...letter to Dr. Hatlestad, 1016.

MR. DUGAN: That s also Dustin Hankins medical

report, so.

THE COURT: Okay. Then I have exhibit 1017, which is

the affidavit for a search warrant from Detective or Sgt.

Williams.

MR. DUGAN: Um, I don t have any objection. The

court s already seen that at the motion of suppress, so.

THE COURT: Okay, 1017 is received. Then I have

here. Thank you.

COURT REPORTER: And, judge (INAUDIBLE) to the

ones that he didn t object to (INAUDIBLE).

THE COURT: Yeah, I m receiving them. If I didn t say

that yet, yes. The one I ve not done anything with is 1010. Then

exhibit 1018, Eric Charles Winn, a petition to enter a plea of

guilty. Any objection to that?

MR. DUGAN: Well, again, it s improper impeachment

but so I ll object on that basis.

THE COURT: Exhibit 1018 is received. Then I have

exhibit 1019, which is the 45th Parallel transaction summary

consisting of a whole slew of pages. Any objection to that?

MR. DUGAN: Your Honor, before that s admitted I d

like to ask a couple of questions of Mr. Esbensen on that.

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T H E C O U R T : T h e n I h a v e a P u b l i c H e a l t h D i v i s i o n . . .1


T H E C O U R T : . . . l e t t e r t o D r . H a t l e s t a d , 1 0 1 6 .3

M R . D U G A N : T h a t s a l s o D u s t i n H a n k i n s m e d i c a l4

r e p o r t , s o .5

T H E C O U R T : O k a y . T h e n I h a v e e x h i b i t 1 0 1 7 , w h i c h i s6

t h e a f f i d a v i t f o r a s e a r c h w a r r a n t f r o m D e t e c t i v e o r S g t .7

W i l l i a m s .8

M R . D U G A N : U m , I d o n t h a v e a n y o b j e c t i o n . T h e9

c o u r t s a l r e a d y s e e n t h a t a t t h e m o t i o n o f s u p p r e s s , s o .10

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e x h i b i t 1 0 1 9 , w h i c h i s t h e 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l t r a n s a c t i o n s u m m a r y22

c o n s i s t i n g o f a w h o l e s l e w o f p a g e s . A n y o b j e c t i o n t o t h a t ?23

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THE COURT: Then I have okay, I m holding off on

that. Then in exhibit 1020 there s a Stony Grow Gardens What

Does It Cost To Produce, updated May, 2011, by Mike Mullins, a

master gardener for Stony Grow Gardens.

MR. DUGAN: And I ve objected to that based on

relevance.

THE COURT: Okay. Then I have so I m not going to

receive that yet, exhibit 1021, um, the petition to enter a plea of

guilty for Mitchell Rowland. I take it s the same objection?

MR. DUGAN: Yes.

THE COURT: Okay, and that would also be for 1021A,

for Tony Manzo, a petition to enter a plea of guilty...and Mark

Young s petition to enter a plea of guilty in 1022.

MR. DUGAN: Yes.

THE COURT: I ll I take you ll have the objections

for all three and I will receive all three.

MR. DUGAN: Okay.

THE COURT: Then for defendant s exhibit 1023, the

club 45/club Pit Bull membership form and rules. Any objection?

MR. DUGAN: No.

THE COURT: Exhibit 1023 is received. So all except

those few have been received yet. Then I have 1024, which is the

business registry of business names search, business entity data.


THE COURT: It is received. 1024. Then under 1025 I

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m a s t e r g a r d e n e r f o r S t o n y G r o w G a r d e n s .4

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r e c e i v e t h a t y e t , e x h i b i t 1 0 2 1 , u m , t h e p e t i t i o n t o e n t e r a p l e a o f 8

g u i l t y f o r Mi t c h e l l R o w l a n d . I t a k e i t s t h e s a m e o b j e c t i o n ?9

M R . D U G A N : Y e s .10

T H E C O U R T : O k a y , a n d t h a t w o u l d a l s o b e f o r 1 0 2 1 A ,11

f o r T o n y M a n z o , a p e t i t i o n t o e n t e r a p l e a o f g u i l t y . . . a n d M a r k 12

Y o u n g s p e t i t i o n t o e n t e r a p l e a o f g u i l t y i n 1 0 2 2 .13

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f o r a l l t h r e e a n d I w i l l r e c e i v e a l l t h r e e .16

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T H E C O U R T : T h e n f o r d e f e n d a n t s e x h i b i t 1 0 2 3 , t h e18

c l u b 4 5 / c l u b P i t B u l l m e m b e r s h i p f o r m a n d r u l e s . A n y o b j e c t i o n ?19

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t h o s e f e w h a v e b e e n r e c e i v e d y e t . T h e n I h a v e 1 0 2 4 , w h i c h i s t h e22

b u s i n e s s r e g i s t r y o f b u s i n e s s n a m e s s e a r c h , b u s i n e s s e n t i t y d a t a .23


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have I think the calculations that Mr. Esbensen had laid down

for some of the checks and such.

MR. DUGAN: I don t object.

THE COURT: Exhibit 1025. I have them in my notes I

was just trying to remember off the top of my head there. 1025 s

received. Then I have 1026, which is entitled the 45th Parallel

2011 total sales receipts, 2011. Any objection to that?

MR. DUGAN: No.

THE COURT: 1026 is received. Then I have exhibit

1028, the petition to plead guilty for Tricia Ellen Gardner. I will

take your same objection and I ll receive 1028. Then there s a

exhibit 1029, it s entitled 45th Parallel Kerry Rhoan trial

3/3/2014, begin investigation.


MS. GERBER: And, judge, those are the oh, I m

sorry.

THE COURT: Okay, so exhibit 1029 is received. Then I

have what I think was offered at the end of the day yesterday,

1031, which dealt with the telephone phone call that I m going to

be listening to later.

MR. DUGAN: Um, I...

MS. GERBER: It s the undercover wire tap.

MR. DUGAN: I don t have any objection to that. I m not

sure if it s a telephone phone call or the...

MS. GERBER: Yeah, judge, it s a body wire.

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w a s j u s t t r y i n g t o r e m e m b e r o f f t h e t o p o f m y h e a d t h e r e . 1 0 2 5 ' s5

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2 0 1 1 t o t a l s a l e s r e c e i p t s , 2 0 1 1 . A n y o b j e c t i o n t o t h a t ?7

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t a k e y o u r s a m e o b j e c t i o n a n d I l l r e c e i v e 1 0 2 8 . T h e n t h e r e s a11

e x h i b i t 1 0 2 9 , i t s e n t i t l e d 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l K e r r y R h o a n t r i a l12

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h a v e w h a t I t h i n k w a s o f f e r e d a t t h e e n d o f t h e d a y y e s t e r d a y ,18

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M S . G E R B E R : I t s t h e u n d e r c o v e r w i r e t a p .22

M R . D U G A N : I d o n t h a v e a n y o b j e c t i o n t o t h a t . I m n o t23

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MR. DUGAN: ...body wire. But...

THE COURT: Okay. Okay. 1031 is received. And that

consists of two pages plus a CD.

MR. DUGAN: And the two pages of Dustin Bloxham s

report concerning that body wire buy.

MS. GERBER: Mmm Hmm (INDICATING YES).

THE COURT: Okay, thank you. I ll trust that s what it

means. I haven t looked, really. Then I have a criminal subpoena

duces tecum for the grand jury in exhibit 1032.

MR. DUGAN: I object to that on the basis of relevance.

THE COURT: I won t receive that yet. And then we have

request for follow up, dated March 26,2013 attention to Brad

Williams, exhibit 1034.

MR. DUGAN: Object to that based on based on

relevance.

THE COURT: Okay, so we ll wait on that. And then I

have exhibit 1036, which appears to be part of a transcript.

MR. DUGAN: Uh, we object to that.

THE COURT: I won t receive that yet. And then I have

exhibit 1037, which is an Oregon Medical Marijuana Program

registry identification card for Mark Young.

MR. DUGAN: I don t object to that.

THE COURT: You do not?

MR. DUGAN: Do not.

THE COURT: Exhibit 1037. Mr. Kiyuna, I take it you

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c o n s i s t s o f t w o p a g e s p l u s a C D .3

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r e p o r t c o n c e r n i n g t h a t b o d y w i r e b u y .5

M S . G E R B E R : M m m H m m ( I N D I C A T I N G Y E S ) .6

T H E C O U R T : O k a y , t h a n k y o u . I l l t r u s t t h a t s w h a t i t7

m e a n s . I h a v e n t l o o k e d , r e a l l y . T h e n I h a v e a c r i m i n a l s u b p o e n a8

d u c e s t e c u m f o r t h e g r a n d j u r y i n e x h i b i t 1 0 3 2 .9

M R . D U G AN : I o b j e c t t o t h a t o n t h e b a s i s o f r e l e v a n c e .10

T H E C O U R T : I w o n t r e c e i v e t h a t y e t . A n d t h e n w e h a v e11

r e q u e s t f o r f o l l o w u p , d a t e d M a r c h 2 6 , 2 0 1 3 a t t e n t i o n t o B r a d12

W i l l i a m s , e x h i b i t 1 0 3 4 .13

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r e l e v a n c e .15

T H E C O U R T : O k a y , s o w e l l w a i t o n t h a t . A n d t h e n I16

h a v e e x h i b i t 1 0 3 6 , w h i c h a p p e a r s t o b e p a r t o f a t r a n s c r i p t .17

M R . D U G A N : U h , w e o b j e c t t o t h a t .18

T H E C O U R T : I w o n t r e c e i v e t h a t y e t . A n d t h e n I h a v e19

e x h i b i t 1 0 3 7 , w h i c h i s a n O r e g o n M e d i c a l M a r i j u a n a P r o g r a m20

r e g i s t r y i d e n t i f i c a t i o n c a r d f o r M a r k Y o u n g .21

M R . D U G A N : I d o n t o b j e c t t o t h a t .22

T H E C O U R T : Y o u d o n o t ?23

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had no objections to those that I ve received thus far?

MR. KIYUNA: Uh, that s correct, judge. For the record I

have no objections to all those just mentioned.

THE COURT: Okay, so the ones we ll need to go over

and discuss yet are exhibits 1 0 1 0, which is the LEDS printout for

Ms. Gardner. The multitude of transaction summaries for the 45th

Parallel in exhibit 1 0 1 9. For 1 0 2 0, which is the What Does It

Cost Us To Produce Medical Marijuana Indoors in Oregon. The

criminal subpoena duces tecum for the grand jury in case (sic)

number 1 0 3 2. The request for follow up in exhibit 1 0 3 4. Um, and

the transcript from 1 0 3 6. So, give me just a second. Here you go.

Those are not received yet.

MS. GERBER: Would you like...do you want argument

on those, judge?

THE COURT: What I d rather do is, um, if you want to

I d like to get Mr. Esbensen...

MS. GERBER: I ll be quick.

THE COURT: ...up again. And then if you have questions

to ask him and when you want to offer them or at the very end,

once we ve taken all the testimony, if you want to make your

arguments. I d rather get testimony done...

MS. GERBER: Okay.

THE COURT: ...before we start arguing everything. Give

me just a second. Okay, Mr. Esbensen, if I could have you please

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h a d n o o b j e c t i o n s t o t h o s e t h a t I v e r e c e i v e d t h u s f a r ?1

M R . K I Y U N A: U h , t h a t s c o r r e c t , j u d g e . F o r t h e r e c o r d I2

h a v e n o o b j e c t i o n s t o a l l t h o s e j u s t m e n t i o n e d .3

T H E C O U R T : O k a y , s o t h e o n e s w e l l n e e d t o g o o v e r 4

a n d d i s c u s s y e t a r e e x h i b i t s 1 0 1 0 , w h i c h i s t h e L E D S p r i n t o u t f o r 5

M s . G a r d n e r . T h e m u l t i t u d e o f t r a n s a c t i o n s u m m a r i e s f o r t h e 4 5 t h6

P a r a l l e l i n e x h i b i t 1 0 1 9 . F o r 1 0 2 0 , w h i c h i s t h e W h a t D o e s I t7

C o s t U s T o P r o d u c e M e d i c a l M a r i j u a n a I n d o o r s i n O r e g o n . T h e8

c r i m i n a l s u b p o e n a d u c e s t e c u m f o r t h e g r a n d j u r y i n c a s e ( s i c )9

n u m b e r 1 0 3 2 . T h e r e q u e s t f o r f o l l o w u p i n e x h i b i t 1 0 3 4 . U m , a n d10

t h e t r a n s c r i p t f r o m 1 0 3 6 . S o , g i v e m e j u s t a s e c o n d . H e r e y o u g o .11

T h o s e a r e n o t r e c e i v e d y e t .12

M S . G E R B E R : W o u l d y o u l i k e . . . d o y o u w a n t a r g u m e n t13

o n t h o s e , j u d g e ?14

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I d l i k e t o g e t M r . E s b e n s e n . . .16

M S . G E R B E R : I l l b e q u i c k .17

T H E C O U R T : . . . u p a g a i n . A n d t h e n i f y o u h a v e q u e s t i o n s18

t o a s k h i m a n d w h e n y o u w a n t t o o f f e r t h e m o r a t t h e v e r y e n d ,19

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a r g u m e n t s . I d r a t h e r g e t t e s t i m o n y d o n e . . .21

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WITNESS SWORN)

THE COURT: Please be seated. Give me just a minute.

Okay, if you d please state your full name, spell your last name

again for the record.

MR. ESBENSEN: William James Esbensen, E-S-B-E-N-S-

E-N, the 3r .

THE COURT: Esbensen. I know I put an emphasis

elsewhere and I apologize, so, okay. Ms. Gerber, go ahead.

MS. GERBER: Thank you.

WILLIAM ESBENSEN, III,

a witness called on behalf of the Defense, having been first duly

sworn by the Clerk of the Court, was examined and testified on

his oath as follows:

DIRECT EXAMINATION

BY MS. GERBER:

Q

Um, Mr. Esbensen, I always put the emphasis on that,

too, Esbensen. Um, how many times would you say that you and

the other members of the 45th Compassion Group met in your

home or a home in Boise with Mr. Rhoan to talk about the

organization?

A robably less than ten.

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And would you say the same is true regarding the 45th

Parallel, LLC?

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es.

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Okay. And I want to ask you, did something happen with

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a g a i n f o r t h e r e c o r d .4

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e l s e w h e r e a n d I a p o l o g i z e , s o , o k a y . M s . Ge r b e r , g o a h e a d .8

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s w o r n b y t h e C l e r k o f t h e C o u r t , w a s e x a m i n e d a n d t e s t i f i e d o n12

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t h e o t h e r m e m b e r s o f t h e 4 5 t h C o m p a s s i o n G r o u p m e t i n y o u r 18

h o m e o r a h o m e i n B o i s e w i t h M r . R h o a n t o t a l k a b o u t t h e19

o r g a n i z a t i o n ?20

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Mr Rhoan s family member that you just learned of?

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eah, his daughter passed away last night.

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And that was from a drug...

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he drowned from a drug overdose. She was

(INAUDIBLE) years old.

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And...

THE COURT: How old?

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7.

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And was that from pills?

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es, ma am.

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And is that one of the reasons, not that it would have

been originally, is that a good example of one of the reasons why

you began this program?

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bsolutely. We actually had Kelly as a club member and

worked with the clinic. Uh, got her off of pills. We were raided

and she got back on them and she went to rehab and got out a

couple of months ago and was doing good, had a job, and wasn t

actually using street pills anymore but using doctor prescribed

pills.

MR. DUGAN: I don t know if this is relevant. I ll object

to any further testimony about that.

MS. GERBER: I ll move on.

THE COURT: Okay.

Q

Mr. Esbensen, in your experience in the many years of

doing this, and you ve also talked to Dr. Hatlestad, how prevalent

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M r . R h o a n s f a m i l y m e m b e r t h a t y o u j u s t l e a r n e d o f ?1

A Y e a h , h i s d a u g h t e r p a s s e d a w a y l a s t n i g h t .2

Q An d t h a t w a s f r o m a d r u g . . .3

A S h e d r o w n e d f r o m a d r u g o v e r d o s e . S h e w a s4

( I N A U D I B L E ) y e a r s o l d .5

Q An d . . .6

T H E C O U R T : H o w o l d ?7

A 2 7 .8

Q An d w a s t h a t f r o m p i l l s ?9

A Y e s , m a a m .10

Q An d i s t h a t o n e o f t h e r e a s o n s , n o t t h a t i t w o u l d h a v e11

b e e n o r i g i n a l l y , i s t h a t a g o o d e x a m p l e o f o n e o f t h e r e a s o n s w h y12

y o u b e g a n t h i s p r o g r a m ?13

A Ab s o l u t e l y . We a c t u a l l y h a d K e l l y a s a c l u b m e m b e r a n d14

w o r k e d w i t h t h e c l i n i c . U h , g o t h e r o f f o f p i l l s . W e w e r e r a i d e d15

a n d s h e g o t b a c k o n t h e m a n d s h e w e n t t o r e h a b a n d g o t o u t a16

c o u p l e o f m o n t h s a g o a n d w a s d o i n g g o o d , h a d a j o b , a n d w a s n t17

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t o a n y f u r t h e r t e s t i m o n y a b o u t t h a t .21

M S . G E R B E R : I l l m o v e o n .22

T H E C O U R T : O k a y .23

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is the overdose and use of prescription medication?

MR. DUGAN: I m going to object, Your Honor, there s

no basis of knowledge.

THE COURT: Sustained. Go ahead, ask another question.

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Do you have a medicinal marijuana strain that assists

people with withdrawals from pain medication?

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es

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And, um, you use that strain often for youngsters? When

I say youngsters I mean younger people, not minors.

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es, for any age, it didn t matter.

Q

Okay. And everyone that worked at the 45th Parallel,

LLC, were they registry cardholders?

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es

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Every one of them?

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es

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And often you had mentioned that you gave away for

free, um, medicinal marijuana in the 44t

(sic) Parallel club. Can

you tell me about that? How often and how much and why? I know

it s a multi-faceted question but...

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m, there s there s a lot of different reasons. A lot

of folks around here are indigent and don t have a lot of money

and the other club members would donate extra, if possible. We d

have growers donate extra so we could give it away to the

patients. For the patients that the 45th Parallel was growing for,

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i s t h e o v e r d o s e a n d u s e o f p r e s c r i p t i o n m e d i c a t i o n ?1

M R . D U G A N : I m g o i n g t o o b j e c t , Y o u r H o n o r , t h e r e s2

n o b a s i s o f k n o w l e d g e .3

T H E C O U R T : S u st a i n e d . G o a h e a d , a s k a n o t h e r q u e s t i o n .4

Q D o yo u h a v e a m e d i c i n a l m a r i j u a n a s t r a i n t h a t a s s i s t s5

p e o p l e w i t h w i t h d r a w a l s f r o m p a i n m e d i c a t i o n ?6

A Y e s .7

Q An d , um , yo u us e th a t s t r a i n o f t e n fo r yo u n g s t e r s ? Wh e n8

I s a y y o u n g s t e r s I m e a n y o u n g e r p e o p l e , n o t m i n o r s .9

A Y e s , f o r a n y a ge , i t d i d n t m a t t e r .10

Q O k a y. An d e v e r yo n e t h a t w o r k e d a t t h e 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l ,11

L LC , w e r e t h e y r e g i s t r y c a r d h o l d e r s ?12

A Y e s .13

Q E ve r y o n e o f t h e m ?14

A Y e s .15

Q An d o f t e n yo u h a d m e n t i o n e d t h a t yo u ga ve a w a y f o r 16

f r e e , u m , m e d i c i n a l m a r i j u a n a i n t h e 4 4 t h ( s i c ) P a r a l l e l c l u b . C a n17

y o u t e l l m e a b o u t t h a t ? H o w o f t e n a n d h o w m u c h a n d w h y ? I k n o w18

i t s a m u l t i - f a c e t e d q u e s t i o n b u t . . .19

A U m , t h e r e s t h e r e s a l o t o f d i f f e r e n t r e a s o n s . A l o t20

o f f o l k s a r o u n d h e r e a r e i n d i g e n t a n d d o n t h a v e a l o t o f m o n e y21

a n d t h e o t h e r c l u b m e m b e r s w o u l d d o n a t e e x t r a , i f p o s s i b l e . W e d22

h a v e g r o w e r s d o n a t e e x t r a s o w e c o u l d g i v e i t a w a y t o t h e23

p a t i e n t s . Fo r t h e p a t i e n t s t h a t t h e 4 5 t h P a r a l l e l w a s g r o w i n g f o r ,24

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m yeah they knew who their grower was just like the

grower knew who their patient was. And they did sign and agree

to not be in contact with the grower. And the main reason was for

securities for the growers because medical marijuana is so

valuable on the streets and for their privacy.

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And are there older people who come into your club?

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eah, the average age was about 56.

MR. DUGAN: I m going to object, relevance.

THE COURT: Well, that s been said a few times. That s

alright, go ahead.

Q

And the people that if they didn t have your services,

for example, they would have to go when they needed their

medication to someone else s house, their grower for example,

and meet with them personally?

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hat s correct.

Q

So you were like a conduit for those type of people who

otherwise couldn t get around or it makes it easier for them to

not have to go to their grower?

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bsolutely. We had a couple customers we had they

were bedridden and couldn t get out of their house.

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nd how would that work? Would you bring that to

them?

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eah we would send somebody over there to help them.

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Would you send somebody over there who was a registry

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g r o w e r k n e w w h o t h e i r p a t i e n t w a s . A n d t h e y d i d s i g n a n d a g r e e2

t o n o t b e i n c o n t a c t w i t h t h e g r o w e r . A n d t h e m a i n r e a s o n w a s f o r 3

s e c u r i t i e s f o r t h e g r o w e r s b e c a u s e m e d i c a l m a r i j u a n a i s s o4

v a l u a b l e o n t h e s t r e e t s a n d f o r t h e i r p r i v a c y .5

Q An d a r e t h e r e o l d e r p e o p l e w h o c o m e i n t o yo u r c l u b ?6

A Y e a h , t h e a v e r a g e a g e w a s a b o u t 5 6 .7

M R . D U G A N : I m g o i n g t o o b j e c t , r e l e v a n c e .8

T H E C O U R T : W e l l , t h a t s b e e n s a i d a f e w t i m e s . T h a t s9

a l r i g h t , g o a h e a d .10

Q An d t h e p e o p l e t h a t i f t h e y d i d n t h a v e yo u r s e r v i c e s ,11

f o r e x a m p l e , t h e y w o u l d h a v e t o g o w h e n t h e y n e e d e d t h e i r 12

m e d i c a t i o n t o s o m e o n e e l s e s h o u s e , t h e i r g r o w e r f o r e x a m p l e ,13

a n d m e e t w i t h t h e m p e r s o n a l l y ?14

A T h a t s c o r r e c t .15

Q S o yo u w e r e l i k e a c o n d u i t f o r t h o s e t yp e o f p e o p l e w h o16

o t h e r w i s e c o u l d n t g e t a r o u n d o r i t m a k e s i t e a s i e r f o r t h e m t o17

n o t h a v e t o g o t o t h e i r g r o w e r ?18

A Ab s o l u t e l y . W e h a d a c o u p l e c u s t o m e r s , w e h a d t h e y19

w e r e b e d r i d d e n a n d c o u l d n t g e t o u t o f t h e i r h o u s e .20

Q An d h o w w o u l d t h a t w o r k ? W o u l d yo u b r i n g t h a t t o21

t h e m ?22

A Y e a h , w e w o u l d s e n d s o m e b o d y o ve r t h e r e t o h e l p t h e m .23

Q W o u l d yo u s e n d s o m e b o d y o v e r t h e r e w h o w a s a r e g i s t r y24

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eah, it was somebody affiliated with the 45th Parallel;

probably Scott, myself, Kelly.

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And Adrian Kershaw that was brought up and discussed,

and I ll just handle that quickly. What was the issue between you

and her, if any?

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ell, a lot of our patients have a lot of different needs

and stuff and we tried to accommodate them in any way we can.

And she she she had some special needs when she came in

and explained them to us. Um, I explained our program. It takes

90 to 120 days to grow their medicine once we agree to become

their grower and that s when they can start receiving one free

ounce a month. And in her case I actually gave her an ounce

immediately the day she signed up because she was in a lot of

pain and stated that she really needed some medicine. And also I

gave her two more ounces over the next 90 days and it just wasn t

enough for her and she kind of made a scene in my office when

there s other customers out in the lobby, and as she stated in her

own testimony she stood up, and I stood up, and her mother stood

up and I asked her to leave.

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You didn t attempt to assault her in any way?

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ever, no.

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Okay. In fact you were um were you the patient

caregiver or grower for her mother?

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was.

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A Y e a h , i t w a s s o m e b o d y a f f i l i a t e d wi t h th e 45 t h P a r a l l e l ;1

p r o b a b l y S c o t t , m ys e l f , Ke l l y .2

Q An d A d r i a n Ke r s h a w t h a t w a s b r o u g h t u p a n d d i s c u s s e d ,3

a n d I l l j u s t h a n d l e t h a t q u i c k l y . W h a t w a s t h e i s s u e b e t w e e n y o u4

a n d h e r , i f a n y ?5

A We l l , a l o t o f o u r p a t i e n t s h a v e a l o t o f d i f f e r e n t n e e d s6

a n d s t u f f a n d w e t r i e d t o a c c o m m o d a t e t h e m i n a n y w a y w e c a n .7

A n d s h e s h e s h e h a d s o m e s p e c i a l n e e d s w h e n s h e c a m e i n8

a n d e x p l a i n e d t h e m t o u s . U m , I e x p l a i n e d o u r p r o g r a m . I t t a k e s9

9 0 t o 1 2 0 d a y s t o g r o w t h e i r m e d i c i n e o n c e w e a g r e e t o b e c o m e10

t h e i r g r o w e r a n d t h a t s w h e n t h e y c a n s t a r t r e c e i v i n g o n e f r e e11

o u n c e a m o n t h . A n d i n h e r c a s e I a c t u a l l y g a v e h e r a n o u n c e12

i m m e d i a t e l y t h e d a y s h e s i g n e d u p b e c a u s e s h e w a s i n a l o t o f 13

p a i n a n d s t a t e d t h a t s h e r e a l l y n e e d e d s o m e m e d i c i n e . An d a l s o I14

g a v e h e r t w o m o r e o u n c e s o v e r t h e n e x t 9 0 d a y s a n d i t j u s t w a s n t15

e n o u g h f o r h e r a n d s h e k i n d o f m a d e a s c e n e i n m y o f f i c e w h e n16

t h e r e s o t h e r c u s t o m e r s o u t i n t h e l o b b y , a n d a s s h e s t a t e d i n h e r 17

o w n t e s t i m o n y s h e s t o o d u p , a n d I s t o o d u p , a n d h e r m o t h e r s t o o d18

u p a n d I a s k e d h e r t o l e a v e .19

Q Y o u d i d n t a t t e m p t t o a s s a u l t h e r i n a n y w a y?20

A N e ve r , n o .21

Q O k a y . I n f a c t yo u w e r e , u m , w e r e yo u t h e p a t i e n t22

c a r e g i v e r o r g r o w e r f o r h e r m o t h e r ?23

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or donation price to the club, um, did you have occasion where

cardholders would come in and donate more or give more?

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ure.

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And what was the circumstances underlying this?

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m, they just realized the need of the club and the need

of the patient and appreciated what we were doing there and

wanted to help out in any way shape or form.

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And this is I know the judge wants to move along so

you could maybe summarize this quickly. But in terms of what

you knew about your ability to run that club, did you travel

around the state at all and visit other collectives?

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es we did.

THE COURT: Other what?

MS. GERBER: Clubs, collectives, there s dispensaries;

now it s a dispensary.

THE COURT: Alright, that was just the first time I d

heard it used as a collective. Sorry, go ahead.

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es, we did. Me and other members traveled all over the

state; southern Oregon, Portland, visited a multitude of different

collectives, dispensaries, clubs, ran on a multitude of different

platforms: some super shady, some super scary, and some really,

really professional.

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And would you say that how many clubs at the time you

were running your club existed on the other side of the state, so-

to-speak, like the Portland area, metro area, compared to here?

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o r d o n a t i o n p r i c e t o t h e c l u b , u m , d i d y o u h a v e o c c a s i o n w h e r e1

c a r d h o l d e r s w o u l d c o m e i n a n d d o n a t e m o r e o r g i v e m o r e ?2

A S u r e .3

Q An d w h a t w a s t h e c i r c u m s t a n c e s u n d e r l y i n g t h i s ?4

A U m , t h e y j u s t r e a l i z e d t h e n e e d o f t h e c l u b a n d t h e n e e d5

o f t h e p a t i e n t a n d a p p r e c i a t e d w h a t w e w e r e d o i n g t h e r e a n d6

w a n t e d t o h e l p o u t i n a n y w a y , s h a p e o r f o r m .7

Q An d t h i s i s I k n o w t h e j u d g e w a n t s t o m o ve a l o n g s o8

y o u c o u l d m a y b e s u m m a r i z e t h i s q u i c k l y . B u t i n t e r m s o f w h a t9

y o u k n e w a b o u t y o u r a b i l i t y t o r u n t h a t c l u b , d i d y o u t r a v e l10

a r o u n d t h e s t a t e a t a l l a n d v i s i t o t h e r c o l l e c t i v e s ?11

A Y e s , w e d i d .12

T H E C O U R T : O t h e r w h a t ?13

M S . G E R B E R : C l u b s , c o l l e c t i v e s , t h e r e s d i s p e n s a r i e s ;14

n o w i t s a d i s p e n s a r y .15

T H E C O U R T : A l r i g h t , t h a t w a s j u s t t h e f i r s t t i m e I d16

h e a r d i t u s e d a s a c o l l e c t i v e . S o r r y , g o a h e a d .17

A Y e s , w e d i d . M e a n d o t h e r m e m b e r s t r a v e l e d a l l o v e r t h e18

s t a t e ; s o u t h e r n O r e g o n , P o r t l a n d , v i s i t e d a m u l t i t u d e o f d i f f e r e n t19

c o l l e c t i v e s , d i s p e n s a r i e s , c l u b s , r a n o n a m u l t i t u d e o f d i f f e r e n t20

p l a t f o r m s : s o m e s u p e r s h a d y, s o m e s u p e r s c a r y , a n d s o m e r e a l l y ,21

r e a l l y p r o f e s s i o n a l .22

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w e r e r u n n i n g y o u r c l u b e x i s t e d o n t h e o t h e r s i d e o f t h e s t a t e , s o -24

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t s been stated up to 300 by several different...

MR. DUGAN: I m going to object as hearsay.

THE COURT: Sustained.

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Based on your knowledge of traveling around the state

and being in the Portland area, the metro area, are there more

clubs when you were running your club than here?

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bsolutely.

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How many more?

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couple hundred.

Q

Um, and I want to talk just briefly about your contact

with local law enforcement or just the local government agencies

here in Malheur County. Can you tell me a little bit about this

town hall meeting that you went to?

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ell yeah, before we ever opened up we went to the

State Police. I identified who I was, what we were doing or going

to do to help facilitate the needs between the growers and the

patients. And gave them my card, gave them my number, asked

them if they had any questions or any concerns to contact me at

any given time and I d love to meet them at the club and show

them how it worked or I was willing to work with anybody.

Q

Well, I m assuming Mr. Dugan will ask this on cross,

but when you received that letter from the Department of Justice,

did you then go talk to the State Police about that at all?

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o.

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And why not?

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M R . D U G A N : I m g o i n g t o o b j e c t a s h e a r s a y .2

T H E C O U R T : S u s t a i n e d .3

Q Ba s e d o n yo u r k n o w l e d g e o f t r a ve l i n g a r o u n d t h e s t a t e4

a n d b e i n g i n t h e P o r t l a n d a r e a , t h e m e t r o a r e a , a r e t h e r e m o r e5

c l u b s w h e n y o u w e r e r u n n i n g y o u r c l u b t h a n h e r e ?6

A Ab s o l u t e l y .7

Q Ho w m a n y m o r e ?8

A A c o u p l e h u n d r e d .9

Q U m , a n d I w a n t t o t a l k j u s t b r i e f l y a b o u t yo u r c o n t a c t10

w i t h l o c a l l a w e n f o r c e m e n t o r j u s t t h e l o c a l g o v e r n m e n t a g e n c i e s11

h e r e i n M a l h e u r C o u n t y . C a n y o u t e l l m e a l i t t l e b i t a b o u t t h i s12

t o w n h a l l m e e t i n g t h a t y o u w e n t t o ?13

A We l l ye a h , b e f o r e w e e v e r o p e n e d u p w e w e n t t o t h e14

S t a t e P o l i c e . I i d e n t i f i e d w h o I w a s , w h a t w e w e r e d o i n g o r g o i n g15

t o d o t o h e l p f a c i l i t a t e t h e n e e d s b e t w e e n t h e g r o w e r s a n d t h e16

p a t i e n t s . An d g a v e t h e m m y c a r d , g a v e t h e m m y n u m b e r , a s k e d17

t h e m i f t h e y h a d a n y q u e s t i o n s o r a n y c o n c e r n s t o c o n t a c t m e a t18

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b u t w h e n yo u r e c e i v e d t h a t l e t t e r f r o m t h e D e p a r t m e n t o f J u s t i c e ,22

d i d y o u t h e n g o t a l k t o t h e S t a t e P o l i c e a b o u t t h a t a t a l l ?23

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hey re not they re not federal agents.

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Okay. And were you a member locally of any boards

chambers of commerce, anything like that where people knew who

you were at what you were doing? Were you involved in the

community at all?

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es we were a member of the chamber of commerce for

two years. And if I can go back to the previous question on the

town hall meeting that I didn t answer. I we decided to have a

town hall meeting and invite the sheriff, the city police, uh, we

ran a newspaper article in the Argus Observer and invited the

whole town to show up. We had speakers. We had a federal

medical marijuana patient speak there. We had Lee Burger, a

Portland attorney speak there on the laws of medical marijuana.

And we had some other people who run other organizations, non-

profits, for patients.

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And how long did the club exist before the raid?

A 2 months.

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And had you been approached by anybody from the

Malheur County Sheriff s office in that 22 months about whether

or not you were operating a legal operation?

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m, I did have one person...

MR. DUGAN: I m going to object, calling for hearssay.

MS. GERBER: Just asking if they contacted him not

what they said.

THE COURT: Overruled.

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c h a m b e r s o f c o m m e r c e , a n y t h i n g l i k e t h a t w h e r e p e o p l e k n e w w h o3

y o u w e r e a t w h a t y o u w e r e d o i n g ? W e r e y o u i n v o l v e d i n t h e4

c o m m u n i t y a t a l l ?5

A Y e s , w e w e r e a m e m b e r o f t h e c h a m b e r o f c o m m e r c e f o r 6

t w o y e a r s . A n d i f I c a n g o b a c k t o t h e p r e v i o u s q u e s t i o n o n t h e7

t o w n h a l l m e e t i n g t h a t I d i d n t a n s w e r . I w e d e c i d e d t o h a v e a8

t o w n h a l l m e e t i n g a n d i n v i t e t h e s h e r i f f , t h e c i t y p o l i c e , u h , w e9

r a n a n e w s p a p e r a r t i c l e i n t h e A r g u s O b s e r v e r a n d i n v i t e d t h e10

w h o l e t o w n t o s h o w u p . W e h a d s p e a k e r s . W e h a d a f e d e r a l11

m e d i c a l m a r i j u a n a p a t i e n t s p e a k t h e r e . W e h a d L e e B u r g e r , a12

P o r t l a n d a t t o r n e y s p e a k t h e r e o n t h e l a w s o f m e d i c a l m a r i j u a n a .13

A n d w e h a d s o m e o t h e r p e o p l e w h o r u n o t h e r o r g a n i z a t i o n s , n o n -14

p r o f i t s , f o r p a t i e n t s .15

Q An d h o w l o n g d i d t h e c l u b e x i s t b e f o r e t h e r a i d ?16

A 2 2 m o n t h s .17

Q An d h a d yo u b e e n a p p r o a c h e d b y a n yb o d y f r o m t h e18

M a l h e u r C o u n t y S h e r i f f s o f f i c e i n t h a t 2 2 m o n t h s a b o u t w h e t h e r 19

o r n o t y o u w e r e o p e r a t i n g a l e g a l o p e r a t i o n ?20

A U m , I d i d h a v e o n e p e r s o n . . .21

M R . D U G A N : I m g o i n g t o o b j e c t , c a l l i n g f o r h e a r s s a y .22

M S . G E R B E R : J u s t a s k i n g i f t h e y c o n t a c t e d h i m , n o t23

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had one person stop at the club with the federal letter.

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That letter from the Department of Justice.

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nd it was just a normal looking guy in normal clothes

and a normal car. He said he was a undersheriff or sheriff and he

asked me to sign a piece of paper saying that I know I got this

letter from the federal government and I asked him to leave.

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kay. And did you register your company as a non-

profit?

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did.

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And who did you designate as the who you would

contribute to as a non-profit?

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oys and Girls Club.

Q

And Tricia Gardner, um, were your patient and your

entire list of patients and growers found in her home?

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es.

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And how s that possible?

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he stole them.

MR. DUGAN: I m going to object to the that

conclusion.

MS. GERBER: I ll ask a foundational question, judge...

THE COURT: Go ahead.

MS. GERBER: ...to lay more foundation.

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Where were those usually kept? Did you...

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A An d i t w a s j u s t a n o r m a l l o o k i n g g u y i n n o r m a l c l o t h e s3

a n d a n o r m a l c a r . H e s a i d h e w a s a u n d e r s h e r i f f o r s h e r i f f a n d h e4

a s k e d m e t o s i g n a p i e c e o f p a p e r s a y i n g t h a t I k n o w I g o t t h i s5

l e t t e r f r o m t h e f e d e r a l g o v e r n m e n t a n d I a s k e d h i m t o l e a v e .6

Q O k a y . An d d i d yo u r e g i s t e r yo u r c o m p a n y a s a n o n -7

p r o f i t ?8

A I d i d .9

Q An d w h o d i d yo u d e s i g n a t e a s t h e w h o yo u w o u l d10

c o n t r i b u t e t o a s a n o n - p r o f i t ?11

A Bo ys a n d Gi r l s C l u b .12

Q An d T r i c i a G a r d n e r , u m , w e r e yo u r p a t i e n t a n d yo u r 13

e n t i r e l i s t o f p a t i e n t s a n d g r o w e r s f o u n d i n h e r h o m e ?14

A Y e s .15

Q An d h o w s t h a t p o s s i b l e ?16

A S h e s t o l e t h e m .17

M R . D U G A N : I m g o i n g t o o b j e c t t o t h e t h a t18

c o n c l u s i o n .19

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T H E C O U R T : G o a h e a d .21

M S . G E R B E R : . . . t o l a y m o r e f o u n d a t i o n .22

Q Wh e r e w e r e t h o s e u s u a l l y k e p t ? D i d yo u . . .23

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And that s because of other HIPAA laws, etc.?

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bsolutely.

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And so a copy would not have been over at the club...

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...they d be at the clinic.

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xactly.

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And was Tricia primarily in charge of running the

clinic?

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es, she was.

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And when you went out of town that weekend, um, is

that when the raid occurred?

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o.

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Okay. How long afterwards was it?

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h, probably four weeks, five weeks maybe? Three to

four, five weeks, somewhere in there.

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And when did Ms. Gardner leave?

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m, it was that weekend that I went out of town. I

believe it was August something.

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Okay. And you had personal knowledge of the fact that

she opened up her own, and it says OMMP clinic, in Ontario?

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h yes, I ve seen it on the Secretary of State registry

and I ve seen (INAUDIBLE) yes.

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And is it still open that you know of?

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A N e ve r .4

Q . . . t h e y d b e a t t h e c l i n i c .5

A E x a c t l y .6

Q An d w a s T r i c i a p r i m a r i l y i n c h a r ge o f r u n n i n g t h e7

c l i n i c ?8

A Y e s , s h e w a s .9

Q An d w h e n yo u w e n t o u t o f t o w n t h a t w e e k e n d , u m , i s10

t h a t w h e n t h e r a i d o c c u r r e d ?11

A N o .12

Q O k a y. Ho w l o n g a f t e r w a r d s w a s i t ?13

A U h , p r o b a b l y f o u r w e e k s , f i v e w e e k s m a yb e ? T h r e e t o14

f o u r , f i v e w e e k s , s o m e w h e r e i n t h e r e .15

Q An d w h e n d i d M s . Ga r d n e r l e a ve ?16

A U m , i t w a s t h a t w e e k e n d t h a t I w e n t o u t o f t o w n . I17

b e l i e ve i t w a s A u g u s t s o m e t h i n g .18

Q O k a y. An d yo u h a d p e r s o n a l k n o w l e d ge o f t h e f a c t t h a t19

s h e o p e n e d u p h e r o w n , a n d i t s a y s O M M P c l i n i c , i n O n t a r i o ?20

A O h ye s , I ve s e e n i t o n t h e S e c r e t a r y o f S t a t e r e g i s t r y21

a n d I v e s e e n ( I N A U D I B L E ) ye s .22

Q An d i s i t s t i l l o p e n t h a t yo u k n o w o f ?23

A I t i s .24

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registered with that...

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...with the Secretary of State with Tricia?

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Um, did you have them sign a no compete clause as part

of their contracts?

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had everybody that was a partner or employee...

MR. DUGAN: I m going to object based on relevance.

MS. GERBER: I ll move on, judge, I don t think that s

very relevant.

THE COURT: It s sustained. Go ahead.

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Are you currently did you submit an application for

running any other type of dispensary currently?

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, yes, I did and I m one of 79 people on the state of

Oregon that are licensed to run a dispensary.

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Did they run a background check on you?

A hey did.

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And that s required?

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Uh, did they know about your current charges?

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h, no, they didn t ask.

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And in terms of when you ve traveled around the state

and visited other clubs or clubs; were you able to look at what

they were using as price points or reimbursement points for

different strains?

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A Y e s .2

Q . . . w i t h t h e S e c r e t a r y o f S t a t e w i t h T r i c i a ?3

A Y e s .4

Q U m , d i d yo u h a v e t h e m s i g n a n o c o m p e t e c l a u s e a s p a r t5

o f t h e i r c o n t r a c t s ?6

A I h a d e v e r yb o d y t h a t w a s a p a r t n e r o r e m p l o ye e . . .7

M R . D U G A N : I m g o i n g t o o b j e c t b a s e d o n r e l e v a n c e .8

M S . G E R B E R : I l l m o v e o n , j u d g e , I d o n t t h i n k t h a t s9

v e r y r e l e v a n t .10

T H E C O U R T : I t s s u s t a i n e d . G o a h e a d .11

Q Ar e yo u c u r r e n t l y d i d yo u s u b m i t a n a p p l i c a t i o n f o r 12

r u n n i n g a n y o t h e r t y p e o f d i s p e n s a r y c u r r e n t l y ?13

A I , ye s , I d i d a n d I m o n e o f 7 9 p e o p l e o n t h e s t a t e o f 14

O r e g o n t h a t a r e l i c e n s e d t o r u n a d i s p e n s a r y .15

Q D i d t h e y r u n a b a c k gr o u n d c h e c k o n yo u ?16

A T h e y d i d .17

Q An d t h a t s r e q u i r e d ?18

A Y e s , i t i s .19

Q U h , d i d t h e y k n o w a b o u t yo u r c u r r e n t c h a r g e s ?20

A U h , n o , t h e y d i d n t a s k .21

Q An d i n t e r m s o f w h e n yo u ve t r a v e l e d a r o u n d t h e s t a t e22

a n d v i s i t e d o t h e r c l u b s o r c l u b s ; w e r e y o u a b l e t o l o o k a t w h a t23

t h e y w e r e u s i n g a s p r i c e p o i n t s o r r e i m b u r s e m e n t p o i n t s f o r 24

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And how did that compare to yours?

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Can you give me an example?

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Did you ever see price points or reimbursement points

for the, what is it, Grand Daddy Pops, is that what it s called?

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eah, Purps.

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And, Purps, I m sorry. Um, and you were able to look

and you (INAUDIBLE) other collectives or co-ops were using?

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16 and 17 a gram.

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And it came up a little bit during the trial as compared

to what the, um, OMMP provides. Why did you only permit a

patient, as part of the contract, to have one ounce per week?

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m, the last thing I wanted was Brad Williams coming

to our door and saying, hey...

MR. DUGAN: I m going to object, Your Honor, that s

not responsive to the question...

THE COURT: Sustained.

MR. DUGAN: ...and it calls for hearsay.

THE COURT: Well, the big thing is you can answer your

question about law enforcement you don t need to address it

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A U h , q u i t e m o r e e x p e n s i v e f r o m w h a t w e o f f e r e d .3

Q C a n yo u g i ve m e a n e x a m p l e ?4

A An yw h e r e f r o m $ 1 3 t o $ 1 7 a g r a m , $ 3 3 0 a n o u n c e .5

Q D i d yo u e v e r s e e p r i c e p o i n t s o r r e i m b u r s e m e n t p o i n t s6

f o r t h e , w h a t i s i t , G r a n d D a d d y P o p s , i s t h a t w h a t i t s c a l l e d ?7

A Y e a h , P u r p s .8

Q An d , P u r p s , I m s o r r y . U m , a n d yo u w e r e a b l e t o l o o k 9

a n d y o u ( I N A U D I BL E ) o t h e r c o l l e c t i v e s o r c o - o p s w e r e u s i n g ?10

A $ 1 6 a n d $ 1 7 a g r a m .11

Q An d i t c a m e u p a l i t t l e b i t d u r i n g t h e t r i a l a s c o m p a r e d12

t o w h a t t h e , u m , O M M P p r o v i d e s . W h y d i d y o u o n l y p e r m i t a13

p a t i e n t , a s p a r t o f t h e c o n t r a c t , t o h a ve o n e o u n c e p e r w e e k ?14

A U m , t h e l a s t t h i n g I w a n t e d w a s B r a d W i l l i a m s c o m i n g15

t o o u r d o o r a n d s a y i n g , h e y . . .16

M R . D U G A N : I m g o i n g t o o b j e c t , Y o u r H o n o r , t h a t s17

n o t r e s p o n s i v e t o t h e q u e s t i o n . . .18

T H E C O U R T : S u s t a i n e d .19

M R . D U G A N : . . . a n d i t c a l l s f o r h e a r s a y .20

T H E C O U R T : W e l l , t h e b i g t h i n g i s y o u c a n a n s w e r y o u r 21

q u e s t i o n a b o u t l a w e n f o r c e m e n t y o u d o n t n e e d t o a d d r e s s i t22

t h e r e . T h e q u e s t i o n i s w h y d i d yo u d o o n e o u n c e p e r w e e k . Y o u23

s t a r t e d t o s a y b e c a u s e y o u d i d n t w a n t . . .24

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You want to put some controls in place?

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ight. As a medical marijuana user myself I very

rarely does somebody need a pound of weed in a setting. I mean

the only reason you would would be to turn it into some type of

extract.

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Before you invested in the club and started it, um,

obviously your wife s employed. Were you you were running a

car business?

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had a car lot, yes.

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Okay. And how were your finances and credit back then?

MR. DUGAN: I m going to object on relevance.

MS. GERBER: Judge, would you like a response?

THE COURT: What was that?

MS. GERBER: Would you like me to respond?

THE COURT: Mmm Hmm (INDICATING YES).

MS. GERBER: Uh, Mr. Dugan has alleged that Mr.

Esbensen and others have delivered marijuana for consideration.

Consideration includes many things including finances which he s

raised. Um, I think it s relevant to inquire into my client whether

he made a profit off of what he did with this club.

THE COURT: Yeah, overruled, go ahead. But I just I

know it was discussed last night we weren t going to have a lot

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A R i g h t . As a m e d i c a l m a r i j u a n a u s e r m ys e l f I ve r y3

r a r e l y d o e s s o m e b o d y n e e d a p o u n d o f w e e d i n a s e t t i n g . I m e a n4

t h e o n l y r e a s o n y o u w o u l d w o u l d b e t o t u r n i t i n t o s o m e t y p e o f 5

e x t r a c t .6

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o b v i o u s l y y o u r w i f e s e m p l o y e d . W e r e y o u y o u w e r e r u n n i n g a8

c a r b u s i n e s s ?9

A I h a d a c a r l o t , ye s .10

Q O k a y . An d h o w w e r e yo u r f i n a n c e s a n d c r e d i t b a c k t h e n ?11

M R . D U G A N : I m g o i n g t o o b j e c t o n r e l e v a n c e .12

M S . G E R B E R : J u d g e , w o u l d y o u l i k e a r e s p o n s e ?13

T H E C O U R T : W h a t w a s t h a t ?14

M S . G E R B E R : W o u l d y o u l i k e m e t o r e s p o n d ?15

T H E C O U R T : M m m H m m ( I N D I C A T I N G Y E S ) .16

M S . G E R B E R : U h , M r . D u g a n h a s a l l e g e d t h a t M r .17

E s b e n s e n a n d o t h e r s h a v e d e l i v e r e d m a r i j u a n a f o r c o n s i d e r a t i o n .18

C o n s i d e r a t i o n i n c l u d e s m a n y t h i n g s i n c l u d i n g f i n a n c e s w h i c h h e s19

r a i s e d . U m , I t h i n k i t s r e l e v a n t t o i n q u i r e i n t o m y c l i e n t w h e t h e r 20

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