2011-048 Larson Release Document 27.pdf

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He was shown the actual order for the Langley scramble on 9-11 and did not

recall who acknowledged for GIANT KILLER. Washington Center and Norfolk

Approach should have made sure there was a clear path for the fighters to go direct to

HUNTRESS control, based on the scramble order. GIANT KILLER should not have

been talking to the fighters that day.

The actual flight plan, 090 for 60, however, put the flight in GIANT KILLER

airspace. To him, the flight strip should have noted that the flight was an active air

scramble. If HUNTRESS activates a scramble it is GIANT KILLER s responsibility to

.stay out of the way. The onus is on the fighters and NEADS to go where they want to go.

It is not a GIANT KILLER responsibility to monitor the HUNTRESS frequency

specified in the scramble order.

Chief Clipper was provided an opportunity to listen to the FAA tape of the ATC

conversation with GIANT KILLER concerning the requirement to go to Baltimore. He

listened to the tape twice and ultimately thought that the male GIANT KILLER voice

was Petty Officer Barcas. His impression was that Washington Center was not aware of

the active air scramble, but should have been. His answer defended the actions of

GIANT KILLER and held NEADS responsible for the control of the flight. He again

stated that GIANT KILLER should not have been talking to the flight.

Norfolk Approach shouldnot have switched the flight to GIANT KILLER

frequency, plain and simple. We are not expected to be participants in active air

scrambles, he said. The radiallDME FIDO input is standard, but he could not account for

the specific 090 for 60 input except to say that there was a route off of Langley that took

aircraft to GIANT KILLER airspace. The 090 for 60 may make sense, he said, if people

involved didn t take seriously the ongoing events.

Chief Clipper was asked if GIANT KILLER would have just allowed the flight to

keep going ifNEADS hadn t gotten GIANT KILLER involved with Washington Center.

Even though there was a scramble order over the circuit, sometimes circumstances

change. GIANT KILLER will not interfere, he said, and would not divert a scrambled

aircraft from holding at 090 for 60 even though the scramble order called for something

different.

COMMISSION SENSITNE

UNCLASSIFIED


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