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Diabetes Prevention, Reversal and Cure

Following the McDougall ProgramAn Interview with John McDougall, M.D.

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August 20, 2009, By Kirkham R. Hamilton, PA-C copyright 2009, Prescription 2000, Inc.

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KIRK HAMILTON: Welcome to Staying Healthy Today, a health-oriented radio show

committed to bringing you key experts in the fields of nutrition, prevention and integrative medicine.

Hi. My name is Kirk Hamilton, your host ofStaying Healthy Today, and our mission is simple: To

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Today Radio, for our free educational services.

Todays show topic is How to Prevent and Reverse Diabetes Following the McDougall Program.

Our guest today is Dr. John McDougall, a board-certified internist and nutrition expert who teaches better

health through vegetarian cuisine. Dr. McDougall has been studying, writing and speaking out about theeffects of nutrition on disease for more than thirty years. Dr. McDougall is founder and medical director

of the nationally renown McDougall Program, a ten-day residential program in Santa Rosa, California,

where proper diet and lifestyle changes can lead to dramatic health improvement. Dr. McDougall is theauthor of several national best-selling books and his latest ground-breaking book The McDougallProgram for a Healthy Heart. A graduate of Michigan State University College of Human Medicine he

performed his internship at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii and his medical residency at the

University of Hawaii.

Welcome Dr. McDougall and thank you for taking the time out today in your very, very busy

schedule to share your wealth of experience about diet and lifestyle, and in particular today on preventingand reversing diabetes. So thank you for coming.

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Well its just a pleasure. Of course we have to define what kind ofdiabetes were talking about.

KIRK HAMILTON: Thats true. So if you look at the last time I was on the CDC website theyll

say approximately 8% of the U.S. population has diabetes and another 19% is prediabetic. So thats aquarter of the U.S. population has some type of blood sugar issue and my understanding is 90 to 95% is

type 2 diabetes and I think thats what well, your program addresses both but thats the one that you seethe dramatic changes in. Is that correct?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Yes, it is correct in a way. I mean this is the one, type 2 diabetes,

that you cure. But for type ,1 and type 1, or however you want to define everything in between, theresults are quite dramatic also. I think people should understand when were talking about diabetes were

generally talking about diabetes mellitus, meaning elevated blood sugar. There are generally two

categories. At least thats the way it was traditionally thought of. One is type 1 which was previously


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referred to as childhood diabetes and thats where you have inadequate production of insulin from thepancreas and thats due to diet also. Its an autoimmune disease primarily resulting from cows milk

consumption. Thats a completely separate issue and discussion from type 2 diabetes which is the kind

where the pancreas is working to its full capacity. In fact, sometimes its producing twice as much

insulin as somebody without diabetes. Its just that the body has developed resistance to that insulin. Youhear about insulin-resistance, and thats sort of type 2 diabetics traditionally, and so by definition if you

can stop the cause of the insulin resistance since theres plenty of insulin being produced, then you can

cure all of these people which is the case. If you have true type 2 diabetics just by removing the cause,

which is the diet and associated excess weight, then essentially all these people would be cured of theirdiabetes. I mean thats the proper word - theyre cured of the problem. Now the thing is that youve got a

spectrum of people between insulin insufficiency and insulin resistance and some people refer to thesetypes of diabetics as type 1. I think what needs to be conveyed is that these people can produce enough

insulin to keep themselves out of serious trouble which we call ketoacidosis. But they dont produce

enough insulin to keep their blood sugars normal or in time to keep their weight on and so these people

are insulin insufficient. With a change in diet they will improve a lot, but they still may end up, becausethey dont make enough insulin, with elevated blood sugars and other problems associated with diabetes.

That doesnt take away from the fact that these people need to be treated just as aggressively.

KIRK HAMILTON: Let me ask you then about what might be the causes in the last 50 to 100

years in the American diet, or the industrialized worlds diet, that might have led to this issue of diabetes.

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Youre talking about type 1 or type 2?

KIRK HAMILTON: Well either one. I mean I know you talk about

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: You really have to separate them. You cant talk about themtogether.

KIRK HAMILTON: Lets talk about type 2 then.

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Type 2 diabetes is a natural response to overnutrition. Theres nodisease involved here. The body is doing what its supposed to do. Its an adjustment to overnutrition.

What happens is as we have excess calories available which is, you know, something thats only beenavailable to common people since the industrial revolution and more so as the years go by. People can

live and eat like kings and queens. Prior to that, there was just a few people who could indulge in that

kind of excess. When you have excess calories what happens is the body does what it does normally andnaturally for survival, it stores some of these calories which is good. I mean you can store an extra 10, 20,

30, 40 pounds and the body claims this as an advantage for survival when the famine comes along or the

winter comes along. So this is a proper thing for the body to do, to store an extra say 30, 40 pounds. Thenyou get to a point where youre still taking in excess calories and the body says, You know, I really dont

need any more to store because if I store any more pretty soon Im not going to be able to climb a tree and

get away from an enemy. And in modern times youre not going to be able to get out of bed or getthrough the door. I mean its just getting to the point where its contrary to survival. And then what thebody does is it makes a normal natural adaptation. And what it does is it becomes resistant to the effects

of insulin. Insulin produced by the pancreas. Its job is to allow sugar to get into regular cells and allow fat

to get into fat cells. Well youve already accumulated enough fat. You dont need to accumulate anymore so what the body says is okay, thats enough. Now I will become less sensitive to insulin so I dont

keep storing fat and become 150 pounds overweight. Thats insulin resistance and it occurs at all kinds of

levels. It occurs at the cellular level. It occurs in the blood stream. It occurs in many places we knowabout and dont know about. But the important thing is the body makes a proper normal adjustment.


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KIRK HAMILTON: Let me ask you where the diet changes have occurred? I know we have

excess calories, but what are the diet changes specifically that you see in the last 50 to 100 years that have

related to this excess calories?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: You know again it depends on what were trying to define. Were

trying to define the disease problem or are you just trying to defineyoure putting yourself into a state

of adaption of insulin resistance. The major change that has been is the consumption of more animal

products, more free oils. Those are the primary things. And then you get to some very secondary thingswhich are sugar and refined flours. But its the fats and oils that are the primary problem particularly

when theyre bound up in animal foods. But the thing is the underlying mechanisms I tried to explain toyou is one of normal adaption. Its not a disease. The bodys not doing something wrong. Its just being

burdened.

KIRK HAMILTON: If everybody was lean irregardless of the quality of food they ate, woulddiabetes be dramatically less?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Yes. Even if they ate the Atkins diet, an all meat diet. Diabeteswould be type 2 diabetes would be dramatically less. You can correct type 2 diabetes by eating a diet

exactly the opposite of what I recommend.

KIRK HAMILTON: So tell me about the diet that you recommend because youve been so

successful with it and I know you emphasize the starch based diet and we have a carb phobia still in this

country somewhat. Can you elaborate on that?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Yes. The diet that I recommend is the diet that most people that haveever walked this earth have consumed. Its the diet of all successful populations throughout all of

recordable history. There are no exceptions. And unfortunately science or historians or the general

population has a hard time recalling history. If they did for a moment theyd figure out what the human

diet really is. In recordable history Im talking about times where we really have adequate information

about how people ate, and that dates back to 13,000 years ago, maybe 24,000 years ago. We really havegood records from camp sites and writings and all kinds of things as to what people ate. And if you just

stop for a minute you realize that people are starch eaters. All successful populations of people have livedon starch. For example, the Mayans and the Aztecs. They were known as People of the Corn. So was

the American Indian, native American. They lived on corn and squash and beans. That was their diet. As

a matter of fact theres a new dollar out called the Three Sisters which represents those crops. If youthink about Asians for at least 5,000 years their primary calorie intake has been rice. But its been other

things. Its been sojourn and buckwheat and sweet potatoes, but rice is classically the diet of most Asian

populations. In the Middle East, five, eight, 10,000 years ago it was millet and wheat. If you look atSouth America and you look at the people of the Andes. They live on potatoes, still do today, potato

based diets. And there are populations that lived on sweet potatoes like those in New Guinea and those in

the Caribbean. So wherever you look the primary source of calories for human beings has been starch andwhen theyve consumed those calories, theyve had no type 1 or type 2 diabetes. Theyve had no multiplesclerosis, heart disease as far as we know. Well we have examples of these people living on starch based

diets up until recently, and in fact there are a few isolated populations that havent been touched by the

American diet and we can still see that they dont have type 2 diabetes. They dont have coronary arterydisease. They dont have multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, etc.

KIRK HAMILTON: Tell me about the type of starch. When you say starch, we talk aboutrefined grains and whole grains. Can you elaborate on that a little bit?


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DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Well starch is a scientific term. Starch refers to plants that have

high content of starch granules. You know thats what starch is. And unfortunately the American public

is unfamiliar with that term or if they have emotions that are improperly placed on that term, but theres

actually a journal, scientific journal called Starch. Because thats what the food is. And rather than tryand work my way around it and call it things like plant food based or high carbohydrate or you know

other words that have been used, vegetarian or vegan or whatever, I try and identify for people exactly

what they need to focus on . Because until they do they cant get it figured out and they cant do it.

People need to understand that the human being is a starch eater and you live on a starch based diet thatsthe natural diet. You can talk about refining and adding things to the starch, but thats not what Im

talking about. What Im talking about is the native plants. Theyre called starches which are rice, corn,wheat, potatoes, sweet potatoes, winter squashes. There are various kinds of starches. Theyre high

calorie, not too high in calorie. Theyre high calorie foods that are based on the starch granule.

KIRK HAMILTON: Take us through the beginning of lets say your program. A ten-dayresidential program where someone comes in. In fact, I know one of your clients who came in very

overweight, big milk drinker, on multiple diabetic medications. Take us through what you would tell that

person. This is a type 2 diabetic with severe neuropathy. How would you approach him?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Well I would assume the person is there under their own volition,but not always. Sometimes theyre sent there by well-meaning relatives. But say the person came therefully knowledgeable about what theyre getting involved in and what I do and very much wanting my

services. The first thing I do is I do a history and physical because I am an internist, a practicing medical

doctor. And so I sit down and talk with the folks. Find out what how theyre feeling, what theirproblems are, what medications theyre on, and so on. And thats day one. Day one, in general for the

type 2 diabetic, I stop all of their diabetic medication. That includes insulin. That includes all theirdiabetic pills for a type 2 diabetic. I hope I said type 2, type 2 diabetic. I stop all of their medications

generally on day one. Now sometimes theyre a little frightened about that kind of aggressive

recommendation. And so I will tell them I may compromise. I tell them to stop the pills. Maybe Ill leave

them on, a third or half or quarter of their insulin until they get a little bit more comfortable with whats

going on. But generally after a day or two theyre off of all the medications. And their blood sugars are asgood, if not better, than when they were on a bagful of drugs. And the other thing I do is I take them, they

usually just dont just have type 2 diabetes, they also have high blood pressure, they also have indigestionso theyre on antacids. They also have high cholesterol so theyre on statin drugs. So I rearrange these

medications generally reducing them or stopping them also. And then what I do is I monitor them over the

next 10 days and generally what I find is that their numbers are better, much better than when they started.They lose weight and they feel better almost immediately. Its a very good way to practice medicine.

Your patients are happy and they quickly get out of trouble and so it eliminates a lot of problems once

you make these adjustments in their medication.

KIRK HAMILTON: What do they start eating when they come in to your program?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: As far as.what do you mean?

KIRK HAMILTON: Well, is it eat as much as you want of this good healthy food that you have

there? Theres not a limit on the food, is what Im trying to get at.

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: No. Theres not portion control. Its served buffet style. So when

people come in they often eat a lot because theyre used to eating a lot and theyre scared. They are afraidthat the food may taste good, that meal, but they may not like the next meal, and yes they eat a lot of food.


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Its a starch based meal plan. We serve them some salads, but thats a minor part of the diet. We servethem some green and yellow vegetables, but thats a minor part of the diet. The main part of the diet is as

I mentioned . Its starchy foods. Its potatoes, rice, corn, beans, lasagna, pastas, those kinds of foods, corn

tortillas.

KIRK HAMILTON: Now its a no-fat or relatively no-fat regimen, and is there any limit on fruit

intake?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Yes there is. Its not really well guarded, the fruit intake, butgenerally I recommend people eat one to three fruits a day and as far as added fats there are no added fats

in the program. In other words, we add no free oils to any of the foods. None of the foods are cooked in anoiled pan or anything that would add any free oil.

KIRK HAMILTON: Is it nut and seed free, or is?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Well that would be mixed up in the plant. The nuts and seeds would

bebut they dont get many nuts and seeds or avocados at the program. Its a pretty rare treat.

KIRK HAMILTON: So what kinds of things do you see dramatically improve? We know lipids

go down. We know blood sugars go down. How about things like diabetic neuropathy, sexual erectiledysfunction?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: These things take time. Theres a study published from Weimar. Its

a case report study where 17 of 21 people were able to resolve their diabetic neuropathy with the kind ofdiet that I serve and they serve, and that lasted for four years. I see some benefits. I see some

improvements in people with diabetic neuropathy, but its a tough thing. Theres a lot of permanentdamage going on when you have diabetic neuropathy. Also, I see the protein go away in the urine from

diabetic nephropathy. In other words kidney disease, and its been reported as long ago as the 1930s and

early 1940s that diabetic retinopathy, the eye disease, on this kind of diet will dramatically improve.

Exudates will disappear. The whole eye ground becomes much better looking and so all those things take

place. I take care of them for 10 days and even though there may be some pretty dramatic changes interms of how people feel and what their numbers look like, some of this serious damage that goes on with

the nerves and the blood vessels may be permanent, or may take a long time to reverse.

KIRK HAMILTON: Do you recommend any supplements like basic B12 or vitamin D and a

basic multi?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Well I havent gotten around to recommending vitamin D yet. I

think I worry about possible adverse effects like prostate cancer and heart disease and we really dontknow whats going to happen when we add in the concentrated vitamin D to people in pills. I recommend

what they really need, which is sunshine. I do recommend B12 as a supplement, and thats a pretty

innocuous vitamin. Multivitamins I dont recommend. Multivitamins are associated with worseoutcome. More heart disease, more cancer, earlier death. Combinations of vitamins are dangerous andthe reason is theyre isolated concentrated nutrients that the body was never intended to be exposed to and

it creates serious nutritional imbalances. So vitamin B12 is about the only supplement that I recommend.

KIRK HAMILTON: How about exercising during your program?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Its done carefully and well managed. Like the man you justmentioned. Very overweight type 2 diabetic. Youve got to be very careful about that because they come


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enthused. They want to do everything. They want to do everything everybody else can do and so they getout there and they start pounding the pavement and before you know it theyve damaged an ankle or a

knee or a hip. So our exercise program is very individualized and very carefully prescribed so that we

dont end up doing more damage than when they came in.

KIRK HAMILTON: So using the word control versus reverse. How would you term type 2

diabetes? As a reversible condition?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Oh, I think you should use the word cure. I dont think you shoulduse the word reverse or in remission or you know - I mean its cured. It just like if you take somebody

whos a cigarette smoker and you have them, and they have a terrible cough and you tell them to quitsmoking cigarettes. Are they in remission? Well only if you believe smoking cigarettes is normal

behavior. Have you cured them? Well of course youve cured them. If you believe eating the American

diet is normal behavior then people are only in remission when they go on the eating plan that I

recommend. If you believe the American diet is an aberrant thing to do, something thats only in largenumbers, only in this time period and you believe its an incorrect diet for people when you correct that

diet, and you put them on a starch based diet then the term you have to use is cured. Theyre cured.

KIRK HAMILTON: Can you drop someones blood sugar too fast? Lets say they go on your

diet regimen. Because Ive heard people when theyre on medication, you can drop their blood sugar toofast. In fact there was an article just about it. Is there a problem with dropping blood sugar too fast onyour approach?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Well I think we have to - I have to understand what youre saying.I think what youre trying to ask me is if intensive therapy with lots of pill and lots of insulin shots, is it

harmful to the patient? Clearly its harmful to the patient to aggressively treat them. You increase theirrisk of death and heart disease .You double their weight gain. You cause serious hypoglycemic reactions.

There were three major studies published last year in theNew England Journal of Medicine that all

showed this. And there were three published prior to that. So theres six major studies that show you hurt

people when you aggressively treat their blood sugar and make it look more like normal. The standard

thats used there is hemoglobin A1c. You try and make it look like normal. In other words 6%, asopposed to say 7 or 8%. You increase the risk of death and heart disease in these people. Its a terrible

thing to do and hopefully this will be corrected through legislation because education hasnt fixed doctorsas far as their prescribing habits. As far as doing it with diet no you cannot. Theres no such thing as too

intensive diet therapy. If you have them off the medications youll never run into a problem of a negative

effect. Its all positive because you fixed the problem. But you do have to be careful about reducing themedications in a timely manner.

KIRK HAMILTON: Okay. That was what I was wondering. I knew the medication part. I wasjust wondering if there was too fast a drop if you just do it by diet?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: I have people who come in with blood sugars of 200 on 120 units ofinsulin and I take them off the insulin and their diabetic pills, and within a day or two their blood sugarsare close to normal. As long as you manage the pills, the pills are the problem. The body takes care of

itself. But when you introduce the factor of medication which is working against what the body is trying

to do then what happens is you run into problems with the drugs. You can get somebody in severe toserious trouble real fast if you change their diet, or exercise them more, and you dont deal with the

medications properly and timely.

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hard because everybody comes in different states, but is a six month program reasonable that they couldbe nondiabetic, or three months or a year?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Well I think the way you have to look at it is the way we started this

conversation. Do they have the potential to become cured? Do they, in other words, do they have a fullyfunctional pancreas making plenty of insulin? If they do I would use another standard to say when we

could just say cure or not, and that is when they hit trim body weight. I mean that could take a year. That

could take three months. That could take a year and a half. So I would not give up on a patients final

outcome until theyve hit trim body weight and that happens sometimes. I will get people who are 80pounds overweight and theyll lose 80 pounds and their blood sugars are still 180. Well I think youve

pretty much declared the fact that theyre insulin insufficient and youre not going to be able to reversethat permanent damage to the pancreas, and so what happens is they hit trim body weight, so you have to

just at that point keep them from losing more weight, and you have to add insulin to their program. So I

generally put them on a long-acting insulin, then their weight loss stops and thats just the way it is. You

know if you cut off your arm it doesnt grow back. You destroy your pancreas and it just doesnt growback.

KIRK HAMILTON: Lets talk about type 1 diabetes as we close. Your treatment of that issimilar I take it and you have dramatic results and lets talk about prevention a little bit.

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Well type 1 is a whole different problem. You have dramatic resultsbut in a different way. Type 1 diabetics have had their pancreas, their insulin producing cells of the

pancreas destroyed, and theyve been destroyed by an autoimmune reaction and that autoimmune reaction

in most cases is caused by cows milk protein. And so once you cause this autoimmune reaction where thebody is out there destroying the beta cells, the insulin producing cells, those cells wont grow back and if

that person doesnt get medical help theyre likely to die. And that medical help is supplementation withinsulin. Thats the way its been for almost 100 years and will always remain that way unless we have

some miracle like a pancreas transplant. So you have to have different goals. These people are not going

to get off their insulin. These people will reduce their insulin a little bit, maybe by about a third. They

will become much less brittle. In other words they will be much smoother in their control. But the

important thing for a type 1 diabetic as well as a type 2 is that they can prevent complications. Thetypical diabetic is fed the same diet that causes heart disease and blindness and kidney failure in people

without diabetes. The high fat, high cholesterol American diet. So it makes no sense to feed a dangerousdiet to a handicapped person, and thats the person with type 1 diabetes. They fall apart at a very rapid

rate. So if you want this person with type 1 diabetes to live long with all the parts working then you must

take very good care of them and that involves feeding them a healthy diet. Ive seen diabetics live 40, 50years with their eyes working and their kidneys normal, and so on who have been cared for by the kind of

eating practices I recommend. So again, you have different goals.

KIRK HAMILTON: What are your blood sugar targets that you shoot for in someone thats lean?

Is it below 100? It is below 90? Is it what is it?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: You know I dont get as fixated on numbers as you would expect Imight. Normal blood sugar, in say somebody who eats really really well and is very active maybe as low

as 45. In the typical healthy American person you may be looking at levels of 75 to 85. Somebody who is

a bit overweight, say eating the American diet maybe looking at 90 to 100, 110. Again I just dont thenumbers trouble me less in those ranges than say a change of 100 points or 150 points. I cant give you a

goal number because theres so much more going on that just that number is in terms of how that patients

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KIRK HAMILTON: Okay. And the same with the hemoglobin A1c? If someone was lean andthey are between 6 and 7?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Yes. You know, a normal hemoglobin A1c is below 6%. But if I get

them to that hemoglobin A1c by using the drug then Ive increased their risk of dying and having heartdisease so you know youve got to be careful about what you use as normal and how you get there. So a

hemoglobin A1c of 7% or 7 or 8%. That may be okay as long as thats the best the patient can do

especially when you realize your alternative is to give aggressive treatment of diabetes which has been

proven to kill diabetics.

KIRK HAMILTON: I guess my question was more in a type 2. You have a successful type 2person thats leaned himself out and is running 110, lets say. Would you put him on a little insulin or

not?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Absolutely not. This is the craziness of the drug industry these days.They treat people with what we call prediabetes. As I just explained, if you aggressively treat a diabetic

and you make them with medication normal, youre gonna kill them. You increase their risk of dying of

having heart attacks. So if they start at 110 you try and make them whatever you define normal byaggressive treatment. Youre gonna do the same thing as if they started at 210 and unfortunately thats

where the business has gone. Its called disease mongering. Its how to make people, patients and how tocreate a huge market, and the way you do that is you change your definition as to what is normal orabnormal. If you say an abnormal blood sugar is 200 your markets small. If you say anything over 150 is

abnormal then it gets bigger. If you say anything over 100 is abnormal, which a lot of doctors are doing

these days courtesy of the drug industries, then almost everybodys sick and worthy of treatment.

KIRK HAMILTON: Well Id like to close if I can, by asking you the question. I saw in the(Sacramento)News and Review, you had an article about you, because youre putting a bill in Congress

about nutrition consulting or can you go over that for me?

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Yes, its Assembly Bill 1478 in California. It includes the two top

diseases in California and the United States. These are the big money-makers. And thats why we startedwith these two, and they are coronary artery disease and heart surgery and they are treating type 2

diabetics with drugs. And what this bill 1478 will require, it will require all doctors taking care of patientswith either coronary artery disease, or type 2 diabetes in the chronic forms, to inform their patients that

the current therapies dont work. The current therapies hurt the patient and they will be required to tell the

patients that both these diseases are caused by the rich Western diet, and that both these diseases if youchange to a healthy diet, and hopefully I get to define what a healthy diet is in the assembly bill. If you

change to a healthy diet that both of these diseases will be dramatically improved as well as the overall

health of the patient. Now the reason we need legislation is because doctors are not responsible people.Thats the excuse the California Medical Association will give as to why we dont need it. Theyll tell

you that doctors are responsible people and dont need to be legislated. Well history says otherwise.

Theyre not responsible people. They need to be legislated whether its out of ignorance or greed theyneed to be legislated.

KIRK HAMILTON: You know I want to close, but can you tell people how to get ahold of you

go to your website, because you have some great stuff on your website a lot of education material.

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Yes. Everything that you need to know about type 2 diabetes,

coronary artery disease or other things, you can get there in a very organized manner and it will take you alittle bit of work, but its all there very accessible and that website is drmcdougall.com.


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KIRK HAMILTON: Well Im really thankful that I finally got a chance to talk to you and

interview you, and I learned some pearls here on diabetic management, especially type 2. So thank you

again for coming on the show today.

DR. JOHN MCDOUGALL: Youre welcome. Thank you.

KIRK HAMILTON: So in closing I want to thank Dr. McDougall for his great dedication and

work over the years, and I want to thank you, the audience, for listening today on this edition ofStayingHealthy Today Radio. And remember until next time, Stay andBe Well.

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