169- From Advanced Stage Cancer to Remission in 7 Months ...whole men's health diet and working out...

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Episode169:FromAdvancedStageCancerto

Remissionin7MonthsonaQuesttoCureCancer


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Katie:Helloandwelcometo"TheHealthyMomsPodcast."I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.comandyouaregonnafindtoday'sepisodefascinatingbecauseit'swithonethemostfascinatingpeopleIhavemetinrecentyears.Erichasbeenpracticingbiglawforover30yearsbutforthelast20,hispassionhasbeenallthingsrelatedtowellness.PriortomovingfromNewYorktoLosAngelesin1995,probablytwoofthehigheststressedplacesintheworldhewentfromaworkhard,playhardcigarettesmokingWallStreetlawyertoagymratandthennowaseriousbiohacker.Thetransitionstartedatearnestin1997whenhebecametheinvestorpartnerinaholisticcenterwithadoctorofChinesemedicine.Hispassioncontinuedandhewasorsohethoughtthehealthiest59-year-oldontheplanetbutallofthatchangedinJuneof2016whenhewasdiagnosedwithanadvanced-stageprostatecancer.Thispushedhimevendeeperintohispassionforhealthandwellness.Hedidanincredibledeepdiveintoallthingsrelatedtocancerfromthecausestotherapiestotheinterventions.Andhisabilitytotakethatbigpictureperspectiveofacomplexdiseaseandfilteroutallthenoiseisamazing.That'swhyIcan'twaittotalktohimtodaybecausewhilehedoesn'tliketousetheword“cure”sincehisviewismoreofamatterofahealingstate,we'regonnagointothatalot,buthewasdeclaredtobeanintoremissionsevenmonthsafterhisfirstdiagnosis,whichisincredible,veryrare,andsuperfascinating.IrecentlymetEricinaneventandIknewIhadtohavehimhere.Ithinkyouwillfindhisstoryandhisinsightsincrediblyfascinating.IknowIdid,soEric,welcomeandthanksforbeinghere.Katie:ThankyouKatie.It'smypleasure.ItwasapleasuremeetingyouandI'msohappytobeabletospeaktoyouandyouraudience.Katie:IthinkyourstoryistrulygonnahelpthousandsandthousandsofpeopleandImentionedsomeofitinyourbio.Iknowthere'salotmoretoitthanthatsoI'dlovetohearyourstoryinyourownwordsofyour


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journeyandhowyougottothispointbecauseit'snottoooftenthatIseesomeonewhoisapracticinglawyerwithasupersuccessfulpracticeandalsohaslikeahealthandwellnessblogandcareeronthesideandishelpingpeopleintwodifferentareas.Sohowdidyougethere?Eric:Well,yeah,it'sbeenaninterestingjourney.Youknow,whenIlivedinNewYork,ofcourse,youknow,thelifestylethereiskindofverymuchdictatedbyyourcareerpathandsoIkindoffellintothattrapand,youknow,workedvery,very,hardandspentmostofmytime...mywakinghourswerespenteithersocializingwithworkcolleaguesorworkingandjustdoingeverythingyoucouldpossiblydotobeunhealthy.Iknowyoumentionedsmoking,Iwasaheavydrinker,Iwas,youknow,notgettingenoughsleep.Iwasalittleoverweight,Iwasfullofstress,itjustwasamess.AnditreallywasIthinkIwentthroughsomesortofkindofmidlifecrisisanddecidedIneedtotrytobemorehealthyandIquitsmokingandaftermovingtoLosAngelesandtakingtheCaliforniaBarIdiscoveredthatIcouldtakethetimethatIwasusingtostudyfortheBareverydayandusethattokindofreallykindofchangemyphysiqueandIbecameveryobsessedwiththewholemen'shealthdietandworkingoutandIwasagymratforalongtimegoingtothegymeverysingleday.And,youknow,Igottobe,honestly,forthefirsttimeinmylifeIgottobetonedandphysicallyfit,whichiswonderfulbutIwasplaguedwiththischronichealthconditionsthatjustwouldn'tgoawayandIhadseenseveraldoctorsandtheyhadrunbatteriesoftestandtheyliterallytoldme,"Youjusthavetogoonandlivewiththis,"thingslikeachroniccoughthatwentonforyearsandyearsanditwasreallykindof,youknow,IgotexposedtothisdoctorofChinesemedicine,anacupuncturistplus,andhedidmorethanjustacupuncture,throughaclassIwastakingatthelocalYMCAandIwassotaken.Iwassoenamoredbyhistreatmentprotocolandhowhe'sabletoaddressmychronicconditionseffectivelythatwhenheaskedifIwouldbeinterestedinopeningacentertogetherIsaidyes,andIinvestedandweopenedthisholisticcenterandthat'swhereIkindofstartedgettingdownthispath.We'rerecognizingthatthere'salotmoretohealththanjust,youknow,pharmaceuticalsand,youknow,eatinglowfat,highprotein,andexercisealotwhichiskindofmylifestyle.And,youknow,thefurtherIwentdownthatrabbithole,I'msurealotofyourlistenersoryourotherguestsprobablyhavehadsimilarexperiences,thefurtherIwentdownthatrabbithole,themoreIwantedtolearn.Thishasbeenkindofanobsessive...it'sbeenunabletosatisfymyobsessive-compulsivedisorderandIjustcontinuedtogodownthatpathandIjusthadapassionforitparticularlyonthenutritionside,becauseobviously,whenitcomestokindofputtingfoodtogethertoeatit'sverycreativeandit'simmediate.Youdoiteverydayandyougettoenjoyitandit'snotlikesomeofthelonger-termthingsyouget,benefitsyougetfrommeditationandsomeoftheseotherwellnessthings.AndsothatcontinuedreallyforquiteaperiodoftimeandIwentthroughseveraldifferentdietaryregimes.Iwasveganforawhile.Iwentrawveganforawhile.Iactuallywentintothiskindofrawomnivorediet,whichiscrazy,thatthisguyAajonusVonderplanitzpromotedanddidthatforalittlewhile,whichiskindofrawdairy,rawmeat,rawhoney,raweggs.AndthenIkindofstumbledintothePaleospaceandfeltthatthatkindofwasmostsuitedtomeandIreallyfeltgoodandIevolvedfrommygymratstatusintomoreofayogiandIdidsomeintervaltrainingandIjust,youknow,IjustfeltgreatandIlookedgreatandIwashealthyand,youknow,Iwasapictureofperfecthealth.AndthenwhenIwasatthePaleof(x)Conferencein2016,youknow,asthatconferencewaswindingdownIstartedhavingsomedifficultyurinatingandsomespasmsinmybladderandIthought,thismustbebecauseIwaskindofalittleoverzealousandtherewasanelectricalstimulationdeviceontheexhibitionhallfloorthatIwantedtoshowoffandIhadmountittomylowerabsandturnitonfullblastandIwasdyingwhenIwasstandingtherewiththemachineonbutIthoughtIcouldn't...IjustwasshowingoffandIthought,well,okay,


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that'sprobablywhattheproblemis."ButwhenIgotbacktoL.A.aweeklateritcontinuedsoIsaid,"I'dbetterseeadoctor."SoIwenttoseeadoctorreallyforthefirsttimein10yearsbecauseIwasfartoohealthytoevenneedadoctor,andatthepointitbecameapparentthatthereweresomerealissueswithmyprostate.AndsotheoriginaldoctordidadigitalexamandPSA,andmyPSAwasveryhigh,itwas21.1,andhesuggestedaurologistandsoIsawaurologistandhedidawholebatteryoftestsonmeincludingbonesscansandCTscansandMRIsanditreallywasthebiopsy...allthattimeIwaskindofconvincingmyselfthatwhatIhadwasBPH,benignprostatehyperplasia,becauseIjustwastoohealthyaguytohavecancer.Itjustwasn'tinthecards.And,ofcourse,whenIgotthephonecallandhesaid,"Notonlydoyouhavecancer,youhavetoanextremelyaggressiveformofcancer,"whichprostatecancergenerallydoesn'thavethissamelevelofaggression,itwasGleasonscoreofnine.Andthatjustkindofwasareal...itcompletelystoppedmyworld.Ijustwascompletelyshockedbythat.Andinitially,Ikindofwentthroughafunkand"poorme"andcryandthoughtmyworldwasending,IjustwastedallmytimebeinghealthyandIshouldhavejustcontinuedsmokingandenjoyingpizzaandhamburgersfromfastfoodrestaurants.AndthenIkindofrecognizedthatthiswasanopportunityformetotakewhathasbeenmypassionforthelast,atthatpoint,18years,andreallydoadeepdive.ImeanmylifewasatstakeandIwasgonnanotscrewaroundandthisissomethingthatIcouldreallysinkmyteethinto.AndIwasfortunateinthat,youknow,Iworkedataverybiglawfirmandmypartnersaid,"Youknow,Eric..."Itoldhimmyconditionandhesaid,"...dowhateveryouneedtodo."SoItooksometimeofffromworkandIjustdovein,andIjustreallydidasdeepadiveasIcouldinasshortaperiodoftimeasIcould.Youknow,Iread17booksinthefirst21days.Youknow,mythoughtprocesswas,IreallyneedtocometoanunderstandingofthenexusofthediseasebeforeIcoulddecideonhowbesttoaddressmycondition.Inotherwords,IneedtounderstandwhatthecauseswerebeforeIcanunderstand,beforeIcanreallykindofjumpintothetreatmentsandprotocols.Andsothat'skindofwhereIstarted,andit'skindoffortuitousbecausebeforeIevengottoodeepdownthatrabbitholeIdida10-daywaterfastandIdidn'tstartoffintendingtodoa10-daywaterfast.IstartedoffintendingtodotheMasterCleansefor10daysbecauseIreadabookonprostatehealthandinthebookherecommends,ifyouwanttohaveahealthyprostate...andatthattimeIdidn'tknowIhadcancer.IjustknewIhadproblemswithmyprostate.AndsoIbought,youknow,I'msureyouhaveheardoftheMasterCleanseandyou'rewellawareofitandmostofyourlistenersmightaswell.Youknow,itslemonjuiceandcayennepepperandmaplesyrup,andofcourse,thelatteriswhatreallykindofputitoffformebecauseItrieditforhalfadayandIjustwentintosugarshockbecauseIhadbeeninketosisatthatpoint.AndsoIdecidedratherthantryingtodotheMasterCleanseIreallyshouldjustdowaterfast,thatwouldjustkindofreseteverything.AndsoIdidthatandthat'skindofhowIgotstarted.Butanyway,soyeah,that'skindofthestoryinanutshell.And,youknow,IcantalkalittlebitifyoulikeaboutkindofthecausesortheoriesaboutcancerorkindofwhatIcametobecausethatwas,asImentioned,thefirstpartofthiswholeprocesswastryingtokindofcometothedeterminationwhereIthoughthowcancergotoriginatedinthefirstplace.Andboy,ohboy,thatwasprobablyIthoughtthemostinterestingandchallengingofthisprocessbecauseitrequiredmetocometoadeterminationastowhetherornotIwasgoingtosidewiththeTomSeyfried'scancer'sametabolicdisease,thatOttoWarburgtheory,whichwecantalkabout,orwhetheritwasgonnabemorethetraditional,youknow,it'sadefectintheDNAorthenucleusofthecell.Andsoitcouldbeaddressed


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throughkindofmoretraditionaltherapies.Katie:Yeah.I'dlovetogodeeponthat,andbasicallykindofyourtheoriesbecausethenightwemetwetalkedaboutthisforareallylongtimeandIthinkitwasthemostlogicalandcomprehensiveexplanationI'veeverheardandI'dloveforyoutokindofgodeeponyourtheories.Ithinkyouhaveaveryuniqueperspective.ButalsobeforewemoveonIjustwanttosaythatthat'samazing.IhavesomuchrespectforyourmindsetinbothacknowledgingthateventhoughyouaredoingsomanyhealthythingslikeacknowledgingthatobviouslytherewasmoretothepicturebecauseIthinkwecangetsoeasilystuckinourdogmaofwhatwethinkwe'redoingisright,andyouovernighthadtoquestioneverythingandlikereevaluate.Butalsojusthowyoujumpedintotheresearchanddidn'tjustdecidethatyouweregonnarolloverandtakethis,thatyou...Imeanthat'samazing,theamountofinformationyoutookin.SoI'dlovetogodeeponthat,likekindofexplaintoeveryonewhatyouexplainedtomeaboutwhatyourtheoriesareaboutthetruecausesofcancer.Eric:Sure.Okay.Justquickly,forthosewhoarenotfamiliarwiththetwoalternativecompetingtheories,andthere'ssomekindofsubsetstothat.Youknow,thatthere'ssomefungalconnectionsetc.butIviewthatkindthemainfield,youknow,medicalfieldtheoriesofcancertofallintotwobasketsortwocamps.Andthebigoneobviouslyisthestandardofcareallopathic,traditionalMDapproach,youroncologisthasbeentrainedinoncologypracticetofollowthispathandthatisthatcanceriscausedbyadefectintheDNA,butsomehowtheDNAstopsdoingitsjobproperlyandthatcreatesthiskindofsituationwherethecancercellsstarttoproliferateandtheynolongerdifferentiateordedifferentiatethewaytraditionalcellsshould.AndthesecondtheorywasactuallywaybeforeweevenknewthatDNAexisted.TheNobellaureateOttoWarburggottheNobelPrizebackinthe1930sbecausehediscoveredthenthatallcancercellshadaverysimilarconditionandthatistheyconvertedfromthetraditionalformofenergyproduction,whichisrespirationwhere,youknow,ATPiscreatedthroughkindofburningofoxygeninthecreationof,I'msorry,youknow,it's...yeah,burningofoxygenbutitcreateswaterandCO2inthatprocess.Andwhenitcannolongerdothatitrevertstokindofaprehistoricformofenergyproduction,whichisfermentationortheburningofglucoseandthecreationoflacticacid.Thosearecompletelydifferentmethodsofenergyproduction.Sothecellsreallykindofgofrom...ifIcanuseananalogy,youknow,it'slikeyourcarthatsuddenlystopsburninggasandnowwantstoburnelectricity,it'sjustcompletelydifferent.AndsothiswaskindoftheviewuntiltheDNAwasdiscoveredandwhenthediscoveryoftheDNAoccurred,ofcourse,youknow,allthemoneyandallthe...youknow,thatNixondeclaredthe"WaronCancer"inthe1970sandsincethenwe'vebeenspendinghundredsandhundredsofbillionsofdollarstryingtokindofchasedownsomesortofpatternwithinthedefectintheDNAtheorythatwouldallowacuretobefound.AndI'vealwayskindofviewedthatasbeingalittlesillybecausecancertomewasmoreofachronicconditionthananacutecondition,sotheideaoftherebeingsomesortofmagicbulletjustdidn'tquitefittheparadigm.SoIwasalwayskindof,Ithink,inclinedtoviewitmorealongthe...it'sadefectinrespirationthanit'ssomethingthatyoucanjustpointasilverbulletatandfix.SowhenIdiscoveredkindofWarburg'stheoryitmadesensetome,andthenIreadtheworkofTomSeyfriedandTravisChristoffersonandotherswhohave...IthinkTravis'sbook"TrippingOvertheTruth"isprobablywherethebestbooktokindofdoageneraloverviewofthehistoryofcancerinetymologyandhowthesciencehasdevelopedandevolved.ButIthinkthemosttellingthingforme,andasanattorneyI'malwayslookingatevidenceandcontextandIlookedatthosetoototrytodecidewhatmakesthemostsense,isthatstudiesweredonewheretheytookthenucleusupacancercellandtheyinsertedthatnucleusinthe


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cytoplasmofanormalcellthathaditsnucleusremoved.Andwhenthisreconstitutedcellwasinjectedintomice,Ithinktherewerelike68mice,onlyoneofthemoveraone-yearperiodhadanycancerconditionatall.Inotherwords,thehealthymitochondriainthosecellshadeffectivelypreventedthediseasefromrecurring,andanotheruniversitydidthesamestudyandnoneofthemicegotcancer.Butthenwhattheydidwastheyruntheexactsameexperimentinreversewheretookthenucleusofahealthycellandinserteditintothecytoplasmofatumorcellthathaditsnucleusremovedandalmosta100%ofthosemicegotcancer.Sotomethatisprettystrongevidence.Ifyouneedstrongevidence,whichIwaskindoflookingforbutthatcertainlyhitmeonthefacethatthiswasametabolicproblemandnotaDNA...inotherwords,anyevidenceofDNAdefectwasreallynotthecauseofcancerbutkindofwascausedbycancer.Okay.Itwassomethingthatoccurredaftertheinitialconditionoccurred.Andsothatmadeperfectsensetome.Ofcourse,beinganattorney,Ididn'thavetodoalittlebitofadeeperdive,whichImeanIdon'tthinkthere'smanypeoplewhohavekindofgodownthispathsoitmightsoundalittlebitcrazy,butIthinkIwantedtoaskthesecondquestionwasjust,okay,fine,soit'sarespiratoryissue,whatcausedthedefectinrespirationinthefirstplace?Imeanhowdidyougofromhealthyrespirationto,youknow,thisfermentationprocesswherethecellsarenolongerrespiringproperlybutproliferatingandgeneratingenergythroughfermentation?AndIthinktokindofunderstandthatIreallyhadtorelyalotonmyown...Idon'tknow.There'snotalotofscienceinthisspaceandthesciencethatIdidfindisobviouslynot,it'snotclinicalsciencebutIdidfindsomeprettystrongindicators.PartofthatIthink,ormyoverlayonthat,wasfromunderstandingofhowtheqiworkswithinthetenetsoftraditionalChinesemedicine.Inotherwords,qi,whichisQ-Ibutit'spronounced"chi"isreallyalllifeform.It'salltheenergyofalllife,right?Sotheacupuncturemeridiansthatgetmanipulatedbyanacupuncturistwasjustoneareawherethere'sqiflowing.Andwhentheqistopsflowingyouendupwithstagnationandyoucanhaveblockages.Wehaveanexcessononesideoftheblockageandadeficiencyontheother,butthatinandofitselfcouldcreateahypoxicenvironmentand,youknow,reducetheamountofoxygenavailabletothecellsandthenthecellswouldreverttothisformofenergyproduction.Andalso,Ithinkthisisafootnote,andthisIfindfascinating,isthatallformsoflifeontheplanetthatexistedbeforetherewasoxygenproducedenergythroughfermentation.Thatwasjusthowitwasdone.Andsowhatyourcellsaredoingwhenyouhavethisconversionfromahealthycelltoacancerouscellisthey'rebasicallyjustrevertingtokindofaprehistoricformofenergyproduction,whichIfindkindof...it'salmostlikethecellskindof,justtosurvive,ifyoudeprivethem,ifyouputthemonahypoxicconditionthen,youknow,they'llrevertthatand,ofcourse,nowyouhavecancer,right?Andwe'regonnatalkalittlebitabout,youknow,the"cancering"thatleadsuptotheconditionofcancer.Sothere'sthatwholethingaboutqibutthere'salsotheworkofthisguynamedWilhelmReich,whoIreallydidalotofresearchon,he'swrittenseveralbooks,andhewasactuallyaroundaboutthesametimeasOttoWarburgandtheyactuallykneweachother.Andhefoundwhathecalled...becausehedidalotofstudiesintocancertoobecausehewasinterestedinkindofthesourceoflife.He'stheguywhogotintroublebecausehecreatedthisconceptoftheorgan,whichcomesfromthewordorgasm,which,ofcourse,backinthe'30sdidn'twinhimanyfavorsinthemainstreammediaoftheestablishment.Buthisviewwasthatalllifeformsneededtogothroughthiskindofredoxorpulse,right,fromthecellleveltotheheartleveltotheperistalsisleveltotheautonomicnervoussystem,andthatwheneversomeonehascancerthosearekindofbiopathicshrinking.Inotherwords,yourautonomicnervoussystemisnolongerebbingandflowing.


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AndIdon'twanttogettoooff-trackonthisbecausewecouldprobablydoawholepodcastjustonthat.Butsufficedtosaythathediddiscover,youknow,thattherearetwodifferentkindsofformsoflife,hecalledthemT-bacilli,whichiskindofthehealthyformoflife,andthenthere's,oh,boy,Ican'tthinkofthesecondlifeformrightnow.Itslipsmymind,oh,thePAbions.And,I'msorry,theT-bacilliarethedegenerative,thePAbionsortheorgoneenergyvesicleshecalledthem.Andthat'swhatyouwantinordertohavelifeandyougetthat.Hewouldactuallybeabletotakepicturesofitbecausehehadthis...hewasarealtechnogeekbuthesaid,"Youcangettheorgonefromsun,food,water,andoxygen,thesewereallsourcesoforgone,whichisthiskindoflifeformthathesaidwasineverything.Anyway,soItookthosetwothingsasanoverlay.Isaid,"Okay,sothereissomesortofenergeticblockageoccurringthat'scausingmyPAbionstokindof..."theseveryprimordialprotozoaformationstobecomeT-bacilliandshrinkingofthelifepack,soIneedtokindofaddressthat.SowiththisentireoverlayIthensay,"Okay,nowIcanstepbackanddecidewhatexactlyshouldIbedoingtoaddressmycondition?"AndthefirstthingIthinkanybodyneedstodo,andI'msureoneofthequestionsthatyourlistenershavebecauseIgetitallthetime,is,youknow,what'sthefirstthingIshoulddo,youknow,whatshouldIbedoing?Andobviously,there'snolikeonethingthatIcansaybecauseeveryoneisdifferentandthey'recomingfromadifferentplace.ButIspent,youknow,thenextphaseofmyprocesswasthentointerviewdoctorsandtrytogetateamtogetherthatIcouldworkwithbecauseIwantedtohaveatraditionaloncologistintheteam.Ineededtohavethoseoptionsinmyarsenal.Ididn'twanttoexcludethatbutIalsoneededtohaveagoodintegrativedoctor,andobviously,becauseIhadprostatecancer,Ineededurologistaswell.AndsoonceIgotthatteamtogether,andofcourse,Ididalotofstuffonmyown,basedonmystudiesinvolvingnutrition.Youknow,IwasketogenicforsixmonthsbeforeIgotdiagnosed.SoImeanIwasreally,Iwastotallyclean.PeoplewhothinktheycanjusteatcleanfoodandnotgetcancerIthinkare,atleastinmyexperience,youknow,there'snomagicthere.Ithinkitdoeshaveatendencytokeepyourhealthlevelsup,whichiswhathelpmeovercomethecancerquicklysoI'mnotsayingit'snotagoodideatodotokeepyourhealthysystemsworkingasbestasyoucan.Katie:AndI'mcurious,sohowdidyougofromImeanthisamazingbodyofresearchandthesetheoriesofcancertoactuallydecidingwhatyourownprotocolwasgonnabe?Iagreewithyou,itseemslike,ifanything,alltheresearchinanyaspectofhealthrightnowispointingtohowitneedstobepersonalizedandvariedandtherearesomanydifferentaspectsthatgointothatbasedonourgenesandourlifestyleandalltheinputs,buthowdidyoudecidewhatprotocolstousewhenyoustartedjumpingintothat?Eric:Well,Ikindofthought,okay,thisismythoughtprocessthere.OneofthethingsisIdothinkWesternmedicineisextremelyeffectiveatacuteconditions.Sothefirstthinganyoneneedstodoissay,"Dohaveanacutecondition?"Imeanifyouhaveatumorcellthat'scuttingofftheoxygensupplytoyourbrainandthebloodsupplytoyourbrainorwhatever,stoppingyourdigestion,thenyoudon'tjustgodoabunchofChineseherbs.There'sdefinitelyaplacefortraditionalmedicineandI'mnotsaying,"Nooneshoulddochemotherapy,nooneshoulddoradiation."I'mnotsayingthat.I'mnotadoctorandIdon'tgivemedicaladvicewhenItellpeople,"Talktoyourdoctorandseewhatyouroptionsare."Butmygeneralkindofoverlayindecidingwhattherighttherapeuticinterventionswouldbe,andmylifestyleprotocolswouldbe,we'rebasedonafewtenants.OneisthatIthinkoxygenationisit'skindofuseof


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oxidativetherapywhereIkindofcreateahighoxygenstressenvironmentinmybodywouldbeawayofgettingbenefitssimilartochemotherapywithoutdoingchemotherapy.Inotherwords,Iwasgoingtocreateaconditionwhereitwouldputastressonthecancercellsbutatthesametimeitwouldstrengthenandhelpmyhealthycellsandthemitochondriainmyhealthycells.AndIknowwhenpeoplethinkofoxidantstheythinkit'snegativeandeverythingshouldbeantioxidants.ButIthinkifyou'readdressingcanceryoureallywanttofindtherightbalance,andobviously,thelastthingyoushouldbedoingisatonofantioxidantsifyou'redoinganykindofoxidativestresstherapiesbecauseit'skindofdefeatingthepurpose.Sotherewereseveraldifferentkindoftherapiesortherapeuticinterventionsthatfellintothatcategoryofoxygenationoroxidationandoneishyperbaric,whichyoumayormaynotknowthatthat'skindof...IthinkDomD'AgostinoandTomSeyfriedtalkedalotabouttheuseofhyperbaricoxygeninconjunctionwithaketogenicdietmostlyfortheblastomas.ButIthinkbasedontheanecdotalevidencefromallthepeoplethatI'vetalkedto,ofcourse,there'sbeennoclinicaltrialworkonthissoIhavetobaseitsolelyonmyownexperienceandthoseofothers.Iftherearemetastasesinvolved,whichIhadbecausethecancerhadspreadoutsidetheprostateintothebonesandthelymphnodes,anytimeyouhavemetastaticconditionIthinkit'sagoodideatogetintoahyperbaricchambertoturnthetableonthatbecauseotherwiseyouruntheriskit'llcontinuetospreadthroughoutyourbodybecauseit'sinyourbloodstreamandit'scirculating.Youwanttogetasmuchofthatshutdownasquicklyaspossible,andtomeonewaytodothatwastogetintoahyperbaricchamber.SoIstarteddoinghyperbaricthreetimesaweekandthenIkindofphaseditoutandnowIdoit,youknow,twiceamonthjustaskindofaprophylactic.AndsoanytimeImeetsomebodywhohasmetastaticissuesIsaid,"Youshouldatleasttryhyperbaricifyoudon'tgetclaustrophobic."Asafootnote,Idon'tthinkthesoft-sidedchambersdomuch.Yougottagetintoahyperbariccenterthathasthehard-sidedchamberssoyoucangothefull2.4atmospheres,whichyoucan'tgetclosetothatinthesoft-sidedchambers.Andfortunately,Iliveinanareawherewehaveafewcentersthatsomeareas,Iknow,ofthecountrydonthaveverymany,andsothatwasone.Anotherisozone.There'sseveralwaysyoucangetozoneintoyoursystem.There'stwoprimaryways.Oneisthroughthebloodwheretheytakesomebloodoutofyourbodyandtheyinjectozoneintoit,ozonethegas.Andthentheyputthebloodbackintoyourbodyandthatkindofgetstheozoneintoyourbloodstream.BecauseIhadprostatecancerIwasdoingrectalinsufflationozone,whichis,youknow,it'sgasthatyouputintoaplasticbladderandyoujustsqueezeitintoyourrectumandthenyoujustholditaslongasyoucanandthat'sawayofgettingozonethroughtherectumandascloseasyoucanthroughyourprostate.AndthereasonwhyIthought,Imeanozoneobviouslyissimilartotheotheroxidativestresses,right,ozoneisbasicallyjustasuper-chargedoxygen,thatmoleculehasthreeatomsofoxygeninsteadoftwo.And,youknow,thatextraatombreaksoffinsidethebody.Andtherewasastudydonein1980thatshowedthatexposuretoozonereallyhadatremendousinhibitoryeffectoncancercellgrowthbecausethecancercellisfungusandLymediseaseandalotofthingsthereare,youknow,ozoneisverytherapeuticfor.So,Ithought,okay,thisisagoodwayformetokindofgethealthywithouthurtingmyself.High-dosevitaminCisanotheronethatIkindofdidn'tstumbleintoinitiallybecauseIhadtodosomemoreresearchbeforeIreallyunderstoodhowitworkedandwhatitdidandhowyouwoulddoseit.TheRiordanClinic,andinJapanit'sverycommontouseasatherapy.ButifyoudovitaminCinhighenoughdoses,atraditionaldoseofvitaminC,likeathousandmilligrams,2,000milligrams,that'sanantioxidantandweall


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knowthatandthat'swhypeopletakevitaminC,butifyoudoavery,veryhighdosesintravenously,itturnsintoaveryheavyoxidant.Inotherwords,itinteractswiththeironinyoursystemtocreatehydrogenperoxide,whichisobviouslyanextremeoxygentensiononanyunhealthycells,asyoumightknowhydrogenperoxide,butyourhealthycellsarenotharmedbyit.Soit'skindofamasterwayofgettinginthere.Andthedosing,whichwecantalkalittlebitaboutifyouwant,it'stricky.It'sgottobehighenoughtobetherapeutic.AndsoIwasdoingatonepointa100grams,whichisa100,000milligrams,intravenously.I'mnowdownto80andIjustmonitor,youknow,justmakingsureI'minthetherapeuticrange.Iwasdoingthatonceaweek,Inowdothatonceamonthjustaskindofa,youknow,precautionarymeasure.Sothatwascategoryone.Categorytwowas,okay,whatsupplementsmightIbetaking?AndthereIhadtorelyonthestudiesof,youknow,othersandbasicallyfocusingofthingsthatIdidn'tthinkwouldcauseanyharmtomyhealthycellsandthatwouldbeperhapseithercytotoxictothecancercellsorsupportiveofthehealthymitochondriasothattheydon'tdecidetogoofflineandbecomecancercells.Andsothere'sseveralsupplementsthatkindoffitintothatcategory.AndsothatwasanotherthingIdid.Obviously,wetalkedabouttheketosis,IwentintonutritionalketosisinitiallyandthenwhenIgotdiagnosedIwentintotherapeuticketosis,whichisjustahighlevelofketones.Ithinkthere'ssomerealserioustherapeuticbenefitsinthatfortworeasons,andIknowthatit'sdifficulttodoifsomeoneisplant-basedbutyoucan.Youcanbeaplant-baseketogenicpersonbutthatprobablywouldbetheperfectdiet,atleastinitially,becausebothplantsourcesandhighfat,healthyhighfatsources,nothydrogenatedoilsoranythingunhealthy,we'retalkingsaturatedfats,areverykindoflow-deuteriumproductsanddeuteriumdepletioniskindofthenewfrontier.Well,whenIsaynewinthelastyearortwointhecancerresearcharea,whichissomethingIkindofstumbleduponbecauseIwasspeakingtoadoctorwhostudiedinthatspaceataconferenceinFlorida,theMetabolicTherapeuticsConferenceandIsaid,"Howcoulditbethatyouhaveabunchoffolksthatthey'relikeChrisWarkandotherswhokindoffollowthis,youknow,plant-baseddietifyougetdiagnosedwithcancer.Andthere'sotherswhosay,"No,youhavetodotheketogenicdiet."Imean,andtheybothseemtobeequallyeffectiveandyousay,well,they'rebothindeuterium-depletiondiets.Ithinktheaddedbenefityougetfromthelatter,whichiswhyIadoptedthatinsteadofplant-based,iscancerlovesglucose.Andsothemoreyoucandotogetglucoseoutofthesystemthelessyou'regonnabefeedingcancercells.AndIknowthere'ssomepeoplethatsay,"We'll,allcancercellsaredifferent."Igetthat,Itotallygetthat,andIknowthere's...Imeanthere'sTomSeyfriedeventalksaboutit,there'sotherpathways.Glutamineisanothersourceofenergyifcancercellscan'tgetglucose.Andit'simpossibletotakeglutamineoutofyourdiet.Butifyoucan,atleast,youknow,it'sawayofreducingtheproliferationofthecellsifyoucanreallystarvethem.Soeffectivelyyou'recuttingbackonthefoodsupplybygoingverylowglucose,soyoukindofmonitorthat.Andsothatwasmydiet.Mydietwaskindofahighfiber,moderateprotein,highfat,ketogenicdiet.Andthenthere'salsothiswholeconceptof,youknow,sunlightandgroundingandmakingsurethatyou'regettingkindof...and,boy,ohboy,that'sanareawhereI'mjusthavingfunrightnowbecauseI'mintheprocessofputtingabooktogetherandsoI'mdoingalotofresearchinthatspaceandthemoreresearchIdothemorefascinatedIgetbyit.Butforexample,youknow,groundingissomethingthatpeopleoftentalkaboutbutIdon'tknowthattheyreallyunderstandwhyit'ssoimportant.Andsothere'sacoupleofbooksthat


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Iwouldpointfolksto.There's"TheBodyElectric"byRobertBeckerandGarySeldenandthere'sanotherbookcalled,"HealingIsVoltage"by...andIcouldsendthistoyou,youcanputitintheshownoteifyouwant...JerryTennantthattalkedalotaboutthis.But,youknow,cellscanonlyreplicate,healthemselvesandfunctionnormallywhentheyhavetherightbioimpedanceandtherightvoltage,microvoltageinthiscase.AndthePAtothebodyisveryheavilytiedintothis.Andsogroundingisawayofkindofhelpfacilitatethecorrective...gettingyouintotherightstatewhenitcomesdowntokindofthevoltagewithinyourcells.Andweknowthatthere'svoltageintheheart,weknowthere'svoltageinthebrain,weknowthere'svoltageinthenerves,sciencedoesn'treallyrecognizeditbutIthinkwhattheseguyshavefoundisthatthereclearlyisvoltageinthecells,alotofitcomingthroughthenerves.AndsothosestudiesIthinkarejustfascinatingbutthat'soneofthereasonswhygettingsunlight,grounding,freshair,thesethingsarealwayskindofincreasingthatcellularrespirationandhavingthecellsfunctionthewaytheyshould.AndIalsoshouldmentiontoobecausethisisprobablyanareathatIthinkalotofpeoplearekindof...itseemstobethehottopicnow,thiswholeideaoffasting,andintermittentfastingisverypopular.Ithink,andthisis,again,justbasedonmyexperience,Ihavenowaytoprovethis,butIjustfirmlybelievethatoneofthereasonswhyIgotsickinthefirstplaceisbecauseIwasnotallowingmybodytogothroughthetraditionalredoxor,youknow,ebbandflow,goingbacktotheWilhelmReich,youknow,thisrespiratory,yougottobreatheoutnotjustkeepbreathingin,inthatIwaskindoffeedingmyselfabundanceofnutrientseverysingledaywithoutanybreak,withoutanyfasting,withoutanything.AndsonowIdoregularfaststoallowmybodynotonlytokindofcleanitselfoutthroughautophagy,whichis,youknow,Ithinknecessarilyforgoodcellularhealthbothintercellularandintracellularonbothbases.ButIalsothinkitjustkindof,Idon'tknow,itgivesyoursystemachancetokindofrebalanceitselfandit'sbetterabletokindoffunctionthewayitshould.AndsoIthinkfastingisabsolutelycritical.Noteveryonecanfastandtherearewaysofkindofdoingaroundthat.That'saprolongedfive-dayfastmimickingdietthatDr.ValterLongohasbeenabigcontributorto.SoImeanIdothinkfastingisoneofthereasonswhyIwasabletokindofgetwellquicklyisbecauseIincorporatedfastingtogetintoautophagy,anditalsoobviouslygetsyourketonelevelswayupbecauseanytimeyou'renoteatingyou'reburningketones.SotheonlytimeI'vegottenoverlikefivemillimolars,whichisveryhigh,iswhenI'minthefastingstate.Katie:Thatissofascinating.IhavesomanynotesIwanttofollowupon.I'dlovetoknowalittlebitmoreonwhatyourspecificfastingprotocollookedlikeaftertheinitial10-day.BecauseI'vedonenowa7-daywaterfastanditfeltamazingafterwards.Mylabsimprovedafterwards.Andyoumentionedthatyoustartedwiththat.Whatdidyourfastingprotocollooklikethroughtheprogressionofyourrecoveryandalsowhatdoesitlooklikenow?AndinconjunctionwiththatI'dalsoloveifyoucouldgoalittledeeperandexplainwhatredoxisforsomeonewho'snottotallyfamiliarwiththatterm.Eric:Sure.Okay.Yeah,myfastingprotocolrightnowis...Imeantherearepeoplethatwouldchallengemewhetherthisinfactisafull16or17-hourintermittentfastorsometimes18butit'susually14to16or17,andthatis,youknow,I'llhavedinneronMondaynightandthenIwon'teatagainuntil2:00onTuesday,right?SoIgotoaperiodoftimesoI'mcompressingthewindowinwhichI'mconsumingcalories.ButIdo,thisisthepartIreferencedwhenIsaidpeoplewillchallengemeon,isIquiteoften,becauseI'macoffeeaddictandIknowit'snotthebestthingtohave,it'shighcaffeine,butIlovecoffee.SoIdohavemybuttercoffee.It'soneofthevicesthatIcontinue.SoIdohavemybulletproofcoffeewithalittlebeta-hydroxylbutyratebutterinitaspart


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ofthatbutthenIalsooverlayontopofthatlikeIdoathreetofive-dayfast.IthinkfivedaysiskindofthemagicnumberifyoufollowtheworkofValterLongo,Ithinkthat'skindofwhereyou'dliketobe.Threedaysisgreatforautophagykindofgettowhereyouwanttobe.SoIthinkwhatyoudidisperfect.ThemostrecentoneIdid,Ithinkwasfivedays.AndIdothat,IwasdoingiteveryothermonthandIthinkI'mnowdueforonebecauseit'sbeenalittleover,I'mgoingontwomonthsnow,soI'vebeensobusy,I'mjusttravelingandeverythingelse.Ido24-hourfastsquiteoftenjustbecauseIcanandit'seasyandsometimesit'sconvenient,ifI'mtravelingforexample,andIjust,youknow,Idon't...orI'mtoobusyandnotmakingfood,I'llhavedinnerthenI'lljustwaituntildinneragain,andjustmakesureI'mwellhydrated.Sothat'smytraditional,youknow,24-hourfast,let'ssayIdothatthreedaysamonth.Intermittentfasting,Idoeverydayexceptmaybeoneortwodaysamonthorthreedaysamonths,I'lldecideI'mgonnahavesomebreakfastbecauseIdidn'thavedinnerlastnight.Youknow,forexample,yesterday...wasityesterday?Yeah,yesterdayIhadareallyheavylunchandsoIjustdecided,anditwaslatelunchtoo,IdecidedI'mjustnotgonnaeatdinner,Ijustdon'tneedit,andIdidn't.Sokindofintermittentfastingaspartofitandthenthosemoreextendedfasts.Andthesecondpartofyourquestionaboutredox,redoxreallytiesinverycloselywiththeWilhelmReichtheories,whichisalloflifeisbasedonmovementanditalsotiesintoChinesemedicine,saythesamething.Ifyoudon'thavemovementyoudon'thavelife.Andtomethat'soneofthechallengesthatmodernmedicineortraditionalmedicinefacesisbecausewhatmodernmedicinedoesinaclinicalsetting,well,clinicaltrialswecantalkabouttheproblemsthatIseewithsocalledevidence-basedmedicineinclinicaltrialsgenerally,butanytimeyou'redoingsomethinginalabinvitroorinaPetridish,youdon'thaveanyrealredox,you'rejustlookingatsomethinginaverystaticenvironment,andthat'snotthewaylifeworks.Lifeiseverchanging.You'reeithermovingforwardprogressing,evolving,oryou'redevolving.That'sjustthewayitis.There'snosuchthingasstatic.AndsoanytimesomethingisstaticIthinkitnecessarilyisrevertingtothatfromthePAbionstotheT-bacillithatWilhelmReichtalkedabout.Soyouwanttokeeptheebbandflowgoingasmuchaspossible.Andthere'sseveralwaysyoudothat.Obviously,movementisabigpartofthatbecausemovementisnecessaryforthefunctioningofthelymphaticsystem,andwedidn'teventouchonthatbutI'mahugebelieverintheimportanceoftheproperfunctioningofthelymphaticsysteminorderforanybodytobehealthybutcertainlysomebodywhomighthavecancerorbetteryetifyou'reluckyenoughtobedestroyingthecancertohavedeadcancercellsinyourbody,youhadbetterhaveagoodfunctioninglymphaticsystemtoclearthatstuffout.Andsothebestwaytokeepyourlymphatic...theonlywayreallytokeepyourlymphaticsystemworkingoptimallyistomakesureyouhavesufficientmovementbecauseitdoesn'thaveitsowncirculatorymechanism.Itreliesuponyourbody'sabilitytomoveandwillingnesstomoveandactuallymovingtodoitsjob,andreboundingandobviously,skinbrushingandlymphaticmassageandtherearewaysofkindofhelpingfacilitatethefunctioningofthelymphaticsystem,butIthinkthat'sreally,reallyimportant.Katie:Great,I'vewrittenaboutbothofthose,reboundingandskinbrushingandit'ssuchafascinatingtopicandsoimportantwhenyou'refacingsomethingmoreseriouslikethat.


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Katie:Youmentionedgroundingtoo,andI'mwithyou.Idon'tthinkit'safringethingatall.Ithinkit'ssomethingwe'regonnacometounderstandmoreandmoreespeciallyinthenextfewyears.ButI'mcurioushowyouaccomplishthis,wereyoujustsimplyspendingtimeoutsideorweretherewaysyouwerekidofabletohackthisandtodothisonamoreconsistentbasis?Eric:Well,I'mjustnowtryingsome...that'sagoodquestionbecauseI'mtryingtofigureoutifthere'sawaytokindofbiohackit.ThewayIwasdoingitinitiallywhenIgotdiagnosedisIwouldliterallygodowntothebeachalmostasmuchasIcould,Itriedtogothereeverydayandduringtheweekendsitgotrealcrowded,andfortunately,Idon'tlivetoofarfromthebeachandactuallygetintotheocean,eveninthewintertime,it'ssupercold,becausethatreallyis...thatkindofisyourtotalgroundingenvironment,yourentirebodyiscompletelysurroundedbythesenegativecharges.Theearthhasaveryslightnegativemillivoltcharge,whichiswhereyourbodywantstobehealthy,whichiskindofinteresting.Ourbodiesaredesignedtokindofmirrorexactlywhatthechargeis.Andyouknow,ifIhavetoomuchpositiveenergyinmysystem,okay,whichmeansIhavetoomanyelectronstealersinmysystem,i.e.freeradicals,youknow,moleculesthataremissingelectrons,andItouchyouandyouhaveahealthierstate,wekindofbalanceeachotherout.Sothat'sobviouslyaquick,easywaytodoit,justwalkingbarefoot,likewhenIgoforahikeI'lltakemyshoesoffattheendofthehikeandjustgetonthegroundasmuchasIcan.Youknow,huggingatree.There'sseveralwaysyoucantrytogetnegativeenergyfromtheearthdirectlybuttherearealsokindofthesePEMFdevices,nottheonesthatarepulsinglikethebeamer,whichIthinkisnottheoneI'mreferringto,butthere'sanotheronethattheyhadondemoattheconference,whichI'mnotgonnaspeakonbecauseI'mstillresearching,butthesearewayswhereyoucankindathometrytocreateahealthier,youknow,voltagestatewithinyourcells.Sothosethatdon'thavetheabilitytojustgotothebeach,Isayjusttakeyourshoesoffandgostandinyouryard,youcanstandonarocktoo,justdon'tstandonasphaltbecauseasphaltismadewithrubberandsoitdoesn'tconductelectricity.Katie:Absolutely.Ithinkthat'sagoodruleofthumbformomstoo,sendyourkidsoutsidebarefootbecausenotonlyarethey'regroundingandhopefullygettingvitaminDbutthey'realsogettingbacteriafromthesoil.


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TherearesomanybenefitsthereandI'm100%withyouonthesunlightthingaswellbecauseIthinkmostpeopleunderstandthevitaminDconnectionandhowweactuallydoneedvitaminD.It'svitalforlikesomanyreactionsinthebodyandI'vebeensayingthatforyearsthatIwouldactuallysayit'squestionablethelinkbetweenthesunandskincancerbutwedoknowforsurethatvitaminD,likelowvitaminDlevelsarelinkedtoalotofothertypesofveryseriouscancers.SoIthinkinsomewayswe'vecutoffournosedespiteourfaceavoidingthesun,butyoumentionedtheotherbenefitsofitaswell.Ithinkthat'salsosuperimportanttokeepinmindasthesunhassomanypropertiesthatarebeneficialjustbeyondvitaminDasfarasthelightitselfandcellularenergyandallofthat,soI'llmakesureIlinktoallthebooksyoumentioned.Eric:Yes.AndIthinkitmightbefunforpeopletoalsokindofthinkabout,obviously,it'sallfairlynewscience,butthiswhole"FourthPhaseofWater"byGeraldPollack.Youknow,whatcausesfluidtomoveinoursmallercapillariesisreallynotourheart,it'sthesamethingthatcausessaptomoveuptrees,andit'sinfraredlight.Andsogettinginfraredlight,notthatthesunisagoodsourceofthat,butyougetinfraredallthetime...forfolkswhoaredealingwithcancerbecausewithoutvitaminDyouhavenoGCMAF.GCMAFistheregulatoryproteinthatsupportstheimmunesystembyactivatingmacrophagesandsoitsbindingproteinsandreceptorsrequirevitaminDinordertobeactivated.Soyoureally,reallyneedtomakesureyourvitaminDlevelsarehealthy.Soifyoucan'tdoitthroughgettingsunforwhateverreasons,becauseyouliveinNorthernlatitudes,youcansupplement.AndI'malsorecommendingifyou'resupplementingmakesureyou'regettingvitaminK2withthevitaminDandthereareseveralsupplementsthatwillputthembothtogetherbecauseifyoudovitaminDwithoutK2youdon'tgetthefullbenefitanditalsohelpskeepthecalciumfromforminginyourarteries,whichvitaminDalsohelpsfacilitate.Wewanttomakesurethatcalciumisgoingwhereitbelongs,inyourbonesandthecalciumreceptorsinyourcells.Katie:Yeah,definitely.AndanotherthingwetalkedaboutthatnightwemetthatI'dloveforyoutogointoifyou'reokaywithitistheemotionalsidebecauseIthinkthat'stheonethatgetsoverlookedevenbypeoplewhoareverywellresearchedandunderstandthescience,andIthinkit'saneasyoneespeciallyifyou'retypeAoraresearcherlikemetotrytoignore.Ihaven'teverfacedliketheseriousconditionsthatyouhavebutIknowinthelastyearthat'ssomethingI'vehadtofaceinmyownlifeisrealizingjusthowmuchemotionsandourmentalhealthimpactourdailylifeinsomanywaysandthatyoucan'tjustkindofpushpastthose.Youhavetoactuallyworkthoughthingsandtakethatintoaccount,butI'dloveforyoutoexplainbasicallyhowyougottothat,whatyourealizedabouttheemotionalconnectionandthenhowyouintegratedthatinyourtherapy.Eric:Yes.Well,letmegiveashoutouttomypartner,thedoctorofChinesemedicine,he'snolongermypartnersoIwon'tmentionhisname,buthe'stheonewhokindofreallypointedmetotheemotion,thecrucialoftheemotionalfactforhealthgenerally,andsothatkindofreallyhelpedmeunderstandthatthatwasabsolutely...Imeanifyoujustthinkaboutit,theimpactthatyour...whenIsayyourmentalstate,Imeannotjustyourmind,I'mtalkinghowyoufeelaboutyourselfandyourrelationtothosearoundyouintheworld.Theimpactthatthathasinyourhealth,Ithinkanyonecanrecognizejustintuitively,right,youdon'tneedsomedoctortotellyouthat.AndwhatIdiscoveredjustbasedonmyexperiencethat,youknow,oneofthebiggestchallengesthatwehavetodayisthestressorsinourlifeandthereareseveralstressorsandweall...everyonetalksaboutstressasbeingthecauseofdiseaseandIthinkthere'ssometruthtothat.ButIthinkthere'skindofamisunderstandingastohowinsidiousdifferentkindofstressescanbeandthere's


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differentkindsofstress,right?There's,again,acutestresssituations,likeadivorceorlosingyourjoborgettinginacaraccident.Andthosecanactuallyalwayshaveahermeticeffect.Inotherwords,ifyouapproachthemwiththerightmindset,theycanactuallymakeyoustrongercomingouttothatendjustlikeyourmusclesgetstrongerwhenyoutearthemdownbyexercising.AndIthinkthatthestressorsthatIthinkaremoreimpactfulwhenitcomesto...orIshouldsaydetrimentaltoyourhealtharetheonesthatkindofoperatejustunderyourconsciousawareness,thingsthatare,you'rekindof...thestressorsthatwhenyou'redoingsomethingandyouknowyoushouldbedoingsomethingelse.It'snothavingcongruitybetweenwhatyoureallywouldlovetobedoingandyourpassionsandhowyou'relivingyourlife.Youknow,it'sbeinginarelationship,you'rejustnottoohappywithit,orstayinginyourjob,you'renot...butyoudoitanyway.ThosearethestressorsthatIthinkhaveamuchbiggerimpactonyourhealthbecausethey'reconstant,andsoIthinktheemotionaldetoxificationsideofthiswholeprocess,youknow,there's...Irefertodetoxificationonthreelevels,right,there'stheinternalphysicaldetoxification,whichweallknowabout,whichis,youknow,gettingthedetoxesoutofyourbodytopropersleepandhydration,lymphaticsystemetc.Thenthere's,youknow,gettingthechemicalsandEMFsoutofyoursystem,oryourexternaldetoxification.Butthisemotionaldetoxis,Ithink,themostchallenging,certainlyformeitwas,andIthinkforalotofpeopleitis.Anditrequires...that'sthemostimportantthing.Tome,that'sthelinchpinforhealth.Imeanallthenutrition,Icallthefoundationalelement,butemotionalhealthor,youknow,wakingupinthemorningfeelinggoodaboutyourselfandfeelingthatyou'rereallykindoflivingincongruityandyou'rebeingtruetoyourselfandjustbeingabletospeakyourmindwithpeople,allthesethingsIthinkarereallyimportant.AndtheanalogythatIliketouseis...andIreallyfirmlybelievethisbecausebasedonmealone,I'manexampleofthis...isyoucaneatallthehealthyfoodintheworld,youcandoeverythingright.Youcanbe,youknow,groundingeveryday,anddrinkingspringwater,haveaglassbottle,andgettingallyourelectrolytes,andbreathingcleanair,andeatingnothingbut,youknow,grass-fedmeatororganic,whateverandstillgetsickwheresomeoneelseis,youknow,goingtoMcDonaldsandeatingfastfoodand,youknow,theymaynotlookgreat,youknow,thattheremaybepricestopaybecausethey'renotasfitandtrimastheymightbeifthey'reeatingKentuckyFriedChicken,butthatpersonisjustreallyhappyabouttheirlifeandreally,youknow,feelspassionateaboutwhatthey'redoingandthey'regonnahave,Ithink,fewerreallyseriouschronichealthconditions.SoIknowthat'skindofhardforpeopletoswallowbecausemostofthepeoplethatarekindoftryingtobewellarereallyfocusedonnutritionandthatsortofthing.ButI'mnotsayingnutritionisn'timportantbyallmeans,that'snotwhatI'msuggestingatall.Ithinkit'sthefoundationforhealth.ButwhatIamsuggestingisthatyouhavetofocusonemotionalsidetoo.

Andthisisalso,Ithink,oneofthethingsthatIfindwasprobably,ImeanIknowit'sdifficultformetosaythistootherpeoplewhoaregoingthroughwhatIwentthroughbecausenoteveryonekindofcanseetheworldthisway,andthatismylifeisactuallybetternowthanitwasbeforeIwasdiagnosedwithcancer.Andthereasonthatit'sbetternowthanitwasisbecausemyprioritiesarelinedupand,youknow,I'mmuchbetteratnotputtingupwithcrap.Idon'tknowwhatIcansayontheshow.Youknow,ifsomethingisnotright,Igetridofit.IfIwanttodosomething,Idoit.There'snomorekickingthecandowntheroadbecauseI'mfacingmortalityandit'sthatfacingofyourmortalitythatcausesyoutobelesstolerantofthingsyouotherwise


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wouldtoleratethatthencreatetheseunderlyingstressors,thisincongruityinyourlife.AndsoIthinkifIcouldsellapillthatgavepeoplethatperspective,youknow,itwouldbeaveryvaluablethingfortheworldbecauseitreallymadeahugedifferenceforme.Katie:Iagree.AndIthinkthat'swhyyouhearofthoseoccasionalcasesofpeoplewhofindoutthey'reterminallyillandtheydon'tthinkthere'sanythingtheycandosotheydon'tchangetheirlifestylesmuchotherthantheychangetheirmindsetandtheiremotionsandtheyhavetowrestlewiththeirmortalityandtheymaybeforgivepeopleintheirlifewhotheyhavebeenholdinggrudgesforandtheylikeliveeachdayinamoreimpactful,meaningfulwayandthentheymagicallygoinspontaneousremissionandsolikethatdoesn'thappeneverytimebutthingslikethatreallyilluminatethatemotionalconnection.Eric:Yes,yes,yes,yes,Icompletelyagree.Andanytimesomebodysaystherewasaspontaneousremissionthefirstthingthatpopsinmyheadiswhatyoujustsaid,Katie,isthattheymusthavereallyhadlikeenoughofan"oh,me"momentthatjustkindofcompletelychangesallthat.Andsothatemotionaldetoxpartoftheequationgotcleanedupveryquicklyandeffectively.Katie:Absolutely.AndanotherpointthatyoumadeaboutwhatwhenwespokewasaboutthecommunityaspectandhavingsolidrelationshipsandfriendshipsandsupportandIknowthat'ssomethingasI'vegottenolderI'verealizedtheimportanceofaswell.It'seasy,Ithink,whenyou'reyoungtothinkyoucangoitaloneandbethatlonerangerthatjustbitesthrougheverything,andIthinkaswegetolderandespeciallyaswefacehealthchallengeswerealizewetrulydoneedotherpeopleandweneedrelationshipsandspacetobevulnerableandpeoplewhocansupportus.Andifit'sokayformetoshare,youtalkedabouthavingagroupthatyougettogetherwithoccasionallythat'sthatsupportsystemforyouandI'vedonethatinmylifeaswell.Areyoucomfortablesharinganyofthedetailsofthat?BecauseIknowfrom...Eric:Yeah.I'dbehappyto,becausethisisanotherpassionprojectofmine.ButbeforeIdothat,quicklyI'lljustsaythat,youknow,oneoftheinterestinganecdotalelementsofhavinghadcancerintheprostateregionis,forthosethatknowAyurvedicmedicine,isthattherootchakraisthesourceofprocreativeandprotocreativeenergy,andthat'swheretheprostateisobviously.Procreativeenergyis,youknow,reproduction,andprotocreativeisgettingout,youknow,anddoingthingsyoureallywant,creatingthingsintheworld,right.It'screativebutit'screativeinthedifference,it'snotreproduction,it'skindofproducinginyourenvironmentanddoingcreativethings.AndIhaveforalongtimewantedtokindofstartamen'sgroupbecauseIjustfeltlikeitwassolackinginmylife.AndIreadanarticleinIforgetwhatmagazine,itwaseither"Men'sHealth"or"Men'sFitness,"thisisgoingwaybackandIwishIsavedacopyofit,andIdidn't,buttheconclusionthatwasreachedinthatarticleisthat...andit'sinterestingbecausetheytalkedabouthowthey'reusedtobemen'sgroup,sotheyhadtheLionsClubandtheElksClubandtheKnightsofColumbusandallthesemen'sgroupsbutthatwasmygrandfather'sgeneration,right,sothat'squiteawhileagoandthosegroupsdon'texistanymore.AndIthinkit'simportantformentospendtimewithothermen,andsothat'skindofsomethingIwasvery,veryinterestedinandneverreallydidanythingwith.IjustkindofthoughtaboutitandItoyedwithit.Andfinally,thisis,Idon'tknow,sevenmonthsagonow...Ihadafriendofminewhohadasimilarpassionandwemetatamen'sgroupupinSeattlethatIwenttowheretherewaseightofusinaroomandwekindofgottoreallygettoknoweachotheroveraweekend.Younow,hewascomingintoL.A.fromCanadawherehelivesandIsaid,"Look,I'mjustgonnainviteagroup


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ofguysandwe'regonnatalkabout...youknow,there'sabookcalled"NoMoreMr.NiceGuy"byDr.Gloverandthat'skindofthenexusofalotofthestuffthatheandIwereworkingoninSeattle.AndsoIinvitedagroupofguysandithadtractionalmostimmediatelyfromfolksthatIdidn'teventhinkwouldbeinterested,youknow,inamen'sgroupandwe'vebeenmeetingonceamonthfortwohoursatmyhouse.And,youknow,it'sjustanopportunityfor...andIkeepitsmall,wekeepatsix,maybesevenbecausesometimeswehavenoshows.Wekeepitsmallandit'sjustanopportunityforustojustsitdowninaroomtogetheradjusttalkaboutwhat'simportanttoyouandjustsharewithothers.Andagain,I'mnotawomansoIcan'tspeakforyou,Katie,orwomanbutIthinkwomenaremorenaturallyinclinedtobeopenandtalkaboutthesethings,menarenot.Andsoifyouronlysourceoffeedback,ifyouwill,fromwhateveryou'restrugglingwithemotionallyisyoursignificantotherinyourlife,youknow,Idon'tthinkyoucannecessarilybringthehealthiestmasculinedynamictothatrelationship.Youneedtobeabletospendtimewithothermenthatwillgetyouyourbalanceandthenyoucancomebackwithamorehealthymasculineperspective.Sothat'skindof...andIjustloveit.And,youknow,nowI'manopenbook.Iusedtohavealotofsecrets.There'sagreatsayingin12Step,"You'reonlyassickasyoursecrets,"andIwastheguy,certainlybackwhenIwasinNewYork,Ihadtonsofthem,andnowIhavenone,I'macompleteopenbook.Soyouknow,Ijustlayeverythingout,andI'lltellyou,it'ssoliberatingandIfeelsomuchbetter.Andagain,thatwasanothersourceofstress.Katie:Ithinkyou'reso,sorightandIagreewithyouthatit'seasierforwomen,ormaybewe'rejustslightlymorewiredtobuildthatcommunityandtogettogetherandtalk,ormaybeit'sjustthewaysocietyisrightnow,Idon'tknow,butIthinkit'sharderformen.ButIalsofullyagreewithyou,Ithinkmenneeditjustasmuch.Wealldo,we'rehuman.Soforallthewomenlistening,IwouldsayIencourageyouforyoursignificantotherstomakespaceforthatandtoencouragethatbecause,likeyousaid,you'regonnahaveabetterspouseattheendofthedaywhentheyhavestrongrelationshipwithotherguysandtheyhaveasupportsystemandittakessomuchpressureoffwhenwe'renottheonlysupportforourspouseandviceversa.Eric:That'sright.That'sright.That'sright.Yeah.Katie:SoIknowwe'realsogonnagetquestions.IwanttomakesureItouchonthis,didyoudoanyofthechemoorconventionalcancertreatmentinconjunction?Youmentionedthatyouworkedwithanoncologist,didyoudoanyofthatorwashemainlyoverseeingandcheckinglevelsandwatchingtheprogression?Eric:Well,theonlythingthatI...well,there'sanewtreatmentprogramthat's...well,Idon'tknowhownewitisbutit'snewtomyclinic,likethehospitalthatIgotohere,whichiskindofanimmunetherapytreatmentwhichIdid.Idon'tknow.Ihavenoideawhetherithasanyimpact.Unfortunately,intheWesternmedicalspacethere'snotverygoodwaysofmonitoringtheprogressionofyourdiseaseotherthanthroughthetraditionalCTscan,MRI.So,youknow,IhavedonetheMRIjusttocheckonthingsbuttheproblemwiththatisitonlyindicatesthelatestageofthecondition.AndI'llansweryourquestioninasecond,butbeforeIdothat,bythetimesomethingshowsuponaCTscanoranMRIit'sreallythesymptomofadisease.Tome,Icallthedisease"cancering,"likeaverb,likeyourbodyhasbeencanceringforalongperiodoftimetothepointwherethesecellshaveaccumulatedenoughtobeabletoshowupononeofthescans.ButtheonlythingthatI'vedone,andthisisspecifictoprostatecancer,isandrogendeprivationtreatments,whichare,Imeanthey'renotpleasant,andthey'renotawful.ThenicethingaboutthemandthereasonwhyIdidn'thaveanyhesitancydoingthemasidefromthefactthatIneededtodoittogetmyprostatetogoback


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toitsnormalsize,whichit'sbeeneversince,thankgod,andIcouldurinatewell,havehealthyurineflow,butisitshutsdowntheproductionoftestosteroneandyoursexhormones.Theyalsocallitchemicalcastration.Sothat'stheonlystandardofcareIdid.Forthoseofyoulistenerswhomightknowsomeone,ortheirfatherortheirhusbandorfolksthattheyknowarestrugglingwithprostatecancer,youshouldtalktoyouroncologistaboutthisbecause...I'mnotadoctor,butyoucancycleonandoffofthat.Youdon'thavetostayonit.Iknowtheytellyou,youshouldjusttakeitfortherestofyourlife.That'snottrue.I'vedonealotofresearchonPubMedandthere'sseveralclinicalstudiesthathavebeendonebymajorpharmaceuticalcompaniesandtheycametotheconclusioninthestudiesthatthereisnorealadverseimpactindoingit,there'snobenefittodoingit,butnoadverseimpactatdoingit.AndIbegtodifferwiththembecauseIthinkifyoureallyunderstandhowthebodyfunctions,thatsexhormoneandtestosteroneinparticularisnecessaryforthe,youknow,regenerationofyourbones.Andso,youknow,youdon'twanttobeinasituationlaterinlifewhereyou'regonnasufferfromosteoporosis.Youwanttobeabletocycleonandoff,plusitaffectsyoursexualenergy,yoursexualdrive,andotherthingstoo.Sothat'stheonlythingIdidinthestandardofcarecategory.Obviously,ifItalkedtoaradiologisttheywouldwantyoutodoradiationtreatmentandthatwasandcontinuestoberecommendedtomeby...ornotanymorebutduringthecourseofmydisease,addressingthedisease,itwasconstantlyrecommendedtomewasradiationtreatment.TheoncologistwilltypicallyrecommendchemotherapybutIjust...that'stheonlythingIdidwasADT.Katie:Goodtoknow.AndIloveyourperspectiveonthissomuchbecauseIfeellikejustasinbusinessit'sonethingtolearnfromsomeonewho'saprofessorofbusinesswho'sresearchedbusiness.It'sanotherthingentirelytolearnfromsomeonewhoactuallyownsabusinessanddoestheday-to-day.Ifeellikeitsonethingandweshouldlearnfromthepeoplewhoresearchthisandwhohavethescientificknowledge,butit'ssuchauniqueperspectivethatyoubringtothetablehavingactuallybeenthroughitandnowontheothersideandbeingabletotestonyourselfwhatworksandwhatdoesn'twork.YoumentionedacoupleofthingsforpeoplewhomaybearestrugglingwiththisandIactuallyhavegottenemail,evenfrompeopleonmyteamwhohavearelativewhoisgoingthroughthisrightnow.SoI'dloveaswestarttowrapup,whatkindofadvicewouldyougivetosomeonewhoisjustdiagnosedwiththediseasetobeginwith?Eric:Well,thefirstthingIwouldsayis,youknow,talktoyourdoctor.Firstofall,findadoctorthatyoucanworkwithandthenspeaktoyourdoctorabout...youknow,getasenseyourselfbecausetheproblemwiththemedicalsystem,andthisistrueforbothtraditionalmedicineandalternativemedicine,istheamountofattentionyou'regonnagetisvery,veryminimalandwiththeconditionyou'refacingisgonnarequireatremendousamountoffocusanddedicationandlifestylechange.Andsoyou'renotgonnabeabletositdownwithanyonedoctorwhomaybethemostwell-intentioned,bestdoctorintheworldandreallybeabletodecidewhat'srightforyou.Soit'sreally,Ithink,incumbentoneachofuswhoaregoingthroughthistokindofdecidethatwe'regonnatakethebullbythehornsandreally,youknow,decidewhat'sgonnamakethemostsense.AndIthinkifyouapproachitwiththatperspectiveandalsowith,"NomatterwhatI'mgonnadowhateverittakes,"Ithinkyouneed...thenextthingIwouldsayisyouneedtokindofgetyourselfintherightheadspace,whichis,"Icanbeatthis.Thisisnothingmorethanmynormalcellshavebeenconvertedtoanabnormalformofenergyproductioninacertainsegmentofmybodythatmybodyisreallydesignedtoaddress,butfor


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whateverreasonithasn'tbeen."Because,youknow,everyone'sbodyisproducingcancercellsallthetime,thequestionisarethosecancercellsbeingaddressedbytheimmunesystemornot?AndsoIthinkifyoucankindofgetyourheadaroundthatandkindofunderstandthathealingispossible,it'sgonnamakethejourneythatmuchmoreeffectivebecausetheplaceboeffectisvery,verystrongjustlikeanoceboeffectis.Likeifthedoctortellsyou,"Look,you'regonnadieinayear,"andyoureallybelieveit,andyoudoeverythingthedoctorsays,andthenyouendupdyinginayear,hejustbasicallyputthatinyourhead.SoI'dsaykindofgettingagooddoctorthatyoucanworkandthenassessingwhetherornotyouneedtojump,becauseyouwillbepushedintoimmediatetreatmenttherapieswhetherit'ssurgeryorradiationorchemotherapy,whateveritis.AndI'mnotsayingdon'tdoitimmediately,becauseI'mnotadoctorandit'snotmyplaceandthatmightbeindicated.WhatIamsayingisthatit'suptoeachindividualtodecipherforhimselforherselfwhetherornotitmakesmoresensetokindoftakeabreath,stepbackanddecide,"Okay,Icanbeatthis.Letmetakeamoremeasuredapproach."I'llkeepthosethingsinmyarsenalandifIneedthemI'lldothembutI'mgonnadotheminaverykindof...youknow,I'mgonnadotheminafashionwhereIreallyfeellikeI'vedonemyhomework.Imean,forexample,ifyouhavetodochemotherapyandyoudoafastbeforeyoudochemotherapyyouwillhaveextremelybetterresult.Notonlywillthechemotherapyworkbetter,butyou'llhavelessimpactonyourhealthycells.Youknow,there'sinsulinpotentiationtreatmentswheretheygiveyouinsulinandthentheyreduceyourbloodglucoseleveltosuchalowlevelthatyoucanhardlyfunctionandthentheyinjectlow-dosechemotherapyintoyourbodywithglucoseandit'slikeaTrojanhorseandthecancercellsbasicallysuckitupandsoithaslessofanadverseimpactthantherestofyourcells.Sotherearewaysyoucan...Imeanifstepbackandsay,"Look,doc,thesearethethingsIwantyoutoconsider,"youknow,Ifindthatmydoctorhasbeengreatbecause,youknow,heknowsthatI'malloverthisthinglikeacheapsuitandhe'swillingtoworkwithme.Sofindadoctorthatyoucanworkwithandthendoyourownhomework.AndI'mhopingthevaluethatIbringtotheconversationis,youknow,allowingyoutokindofgetyourbearingsandprovidinganoverviewthatwouldhelpfacilitatekindofthatdoingyourownhomeworksideoftheequation.Andthen,ofcourse,whenIsayfasting,ifyoucandoit,ifyou'renot...ifyou'rediabeticoryouhave...hangon,Igotanemail.Igetemailsalmostdaily.IgotoneyesterdayfromLondonandthegentleman'smotherhadjustbeendiagnosedwithcolonandbladdercancer,orstomachcancer,ImeanreallyaggressivestuffandIthought,"Oh,mygoodness,thisisnotagoodsituation."Andshe'sadiabeticandhesaidhewantshertodoa20-dayfastandIwrotehimback.Isaid,"Look,firstofall,talktoyourdoctorbeforeyoudoanything.I'mnotgonnagiveyouanyadviceatall.Idon'tthinkshecandoafast.Idon'tthinkshecandoanykindofafastifshe'sgotthatcondition,youknow,she'stakinginsulinandshe'sgotdiabetes,butyouknow,youmightconsiderdoingtheMimickingFastorsomethingelseuntilyoucangetyourbalanceoryourbloodsugartothepointwhereyoucanmaybe,youknow,trysomeoftheotherdietaryprotocols."Imeanthere'sjustsomanymovingpieces,there'sjustsomany,andtheyallkindof,Ithink,youknow,there'ssomeconsistencytothem.Youknow,there'ssomethatwouldapplyregardlessofwhetherit'sahardtumorcancerorablastomaorlymphomaorothercancerbutalotofthemarespecifictotheindividualandtheirlifestyle,andwhat'syourcompliancegonnabe?Areyouactuallygonnabeabletodoit,right?Berealistic.AmIgonnabeabletodohyperbaric?IfI'mnot,okay,I'mgonnatrysomethingelse.WhatelsecanIdo?Katie:Yeah,suchagoodperspectiveandIcouldliterallytalktoyouallday.We'llhavetodoaroundtwoonedaybutIwanttorespectyourtime.SoIhaveafewwrapupquestionsthatarequickquestionsIalwayslove


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toask.Oneiswhatbookhashadthebiggestimpactonyourlife?Eric:Iwouldsay,oh,boy,I'vereadsomanygreatbooks.Iknewyou'regonnaaskmethatquestionandIstillstrugglewithwhatIshouldsay.IwouldsayI'mabigfanofDavidHawkinsandhis"Powervs.Force."He'swrittenseveralbooks,alotofhisarejustlecturesthathavebeenputintobooks.ButIthoughthis"Powervs.Force"bookwasIthoughtandstillremainstobeabookthatIcanreadoverandoverandoveragainandeverytimeIreaditIgetsomethingoutofit.ButforfolksthatarestrugglingwithcancerIwouldsayhandsdown,noquestion,isTravisChristofferson'sbook,"TrippingovertheTruth."That'sjustsuchagreatbook.Hedoessuchagoodjobandhe'snotadoctor,he'samedicaljournalist,andhejust...Imeanhisperspectiveisnotsidingwith...youknow,he'smore,Ithink,atraditionalmedicineguy.Youknow,he'snotlikeabigguywho'spushing,proposingkindofalternativemedicalstuffbuthejustdoessuchagoodjobofgivingaperspectiveonkindofthehistoryofthescience,andwhereweare,andhowweendupwhereweare,anditreallyhelpsyoukindofseethroughitallandsay,"Okay,thisdoesn'tmakeanysensebecauseIcanseenowwherethere'seconomicincentives,etc.fordoingit."SoIwouldsay,youknow,butifIhadtojustpickonebook,yousay,"Eric,you'regonnabelivingonanislandandyoucanonlybringonebookwithyou,"itprobablybe"Powervs.Force"byDavidHawkins.Katie:Iloveit.Bothofthosewillbeintheshownotesatwellnessmama.fm.Andifyoucouldmagicallyinfuseapieceofadviceintoeveryoneintheworld,whatwoulditbe?Eric:Iwouldsayinordertobeahealthyperson,Imeandoalltheotherthingsthatpeopletalkaboutregardingsleepanddiet,butifyoucanfindsomemeansofgettingcongruitybetweenyourinnerdesiresandpassionsandhowyouliveyourlife,thatisgonnabethemosthealingthingyoucando.Katie:I'mwithyouonthatone.What'snextforyou,Eric?Imeanyou'vealreadyconqueredlaw,you'vecuredcancerinyourownbody,what'snextforyou?Eric:Well,again,Idon'tliketousethewordcure,Imean,youknow,I'minremission.I'minahealingstateandIwanttostaythere,andImonitormyselfregularly.Iamhopingtoactually,becauseIspentalotoftimetalking,I'mnotanexpertinanyoneoftheseareas,right,Ijustkindofsynthesize,Igetthewordout,alotofinformation,that'swhatI'mgoodat.Soforexample,IwouldlovetogetsomeonefortheRiordanClinictotalkspecificallyabouthighdosevitaminCandwhatitmeansandwhyyoudoitandreallykindofgetintotheweedsonthat.SomygoalistoseeifIcandoapodcastthat'stailoredtoeachofthetreatmentprotocols.IwouldobviouslyhaveTravisandTomSeyfriedandothersonthepodcastbutthat'smygoaltodothatinthenextthreeorfourmonths,togetthatlaunched,becauseIhave,youknow,alotofinformationIgetfromthesepeopleanditwouldbegreattobeabletoputthatoutforotherswhowanttokindofhearitthemselves.AndthenI'mintheprocessofwritingabookandthebookisgonnareallybewhatwejusttalkedaboutasfarashelpingpeoplegettheirbearingsandkindofgivethemtherightperspectivesothatwhentheycometoit,andalsodiscusstotheextentIcan,IknowthatIdon'twantittobe800-pages,buttokindofdiscusssomeofthegeneral...howyouoverlay...onceyoucometothetheories,howyouthenaddresstheprotocolsandcometotherighttherapeuticinterventions.Katie:Iloveit,andkeepmeintheloop.Iwanttomakesureweshareyourpodcastandyourbookasthey


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comeout,that'samazingthatyou'redoingthat.Butthankyousomuchforyourtime.I'msureyou'reanincrediblybusypersonwitheverythingyouhaveonyourplateandIreallyappreciateyoutakingthetimetobehereandtoshareyourstoryandyourwisdomtoday.Eric:Katie,thepleasureisallmineandIwouldloveitifpeoplewhoareinterestedinfollowingtheprogressofboththebookandthepodcast,iftheywouldjustgotomywebsite.CouldIdoaplugforthat?Katie:Absolutely.Eric:Okay,it'squesttocurecancer.com.It'swww.questtocurecancer.com.Soyoucansubscribethere.I'mcollectingemailsandIwillbesendingoutannouncementswhenIdopostingsandobviouslykeeppeopleuptospeedastowhat'sgoingonbutI'mreachablethere.Katie:Perfect.AndI'llmakesurethat'slinkedintheshownotesaswell.Ifanyofyouaredrivingyoudon'thavetowriteitdownandthosewillbeunderyourepisodeatwellnessmama.fm.Anddefinitely,we'llhavetoplanaroundtwoforwhenthebookandthepodcastlaunchandmakesureweshareyouwiththeworldsomemore,butthankyousomuchforbeinghere.Eric:Katie,thankyousomuch,Iappreciateit.Katie:Andthankstoallofyouforlistening,andIhopetoseeyounexttimeon"TheHealthyMomsPodcast."

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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