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Episode127:UsingtheDentalDiettoReverse

DentalProblemswithDr.StevenLin


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Katie:Hello,andwelcometo"TheHealthyMomsPodcast."I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.AndI'msuperexcitedabouttoday'sinterviewbecausethisisatopicIhaveresearchedandlovedforyears.I'mherewithDr.StevenLinwhoisaboardregistereddentistandTEDxspeakerwho'sbeenfeaturedallovertheInternet.HewastrainedatUSYDwithabackgroundinbiomedicalscience,andhe'sapassionatewholehealthadvocate,focusingonthelinkbetweennutritionanddentalhealth.Hismissionistopreventdentaldiseaseinsteadoftreatingthem.Andhehasaprogramthathelpspatientssolvethecauseofdentaldisease.Itmergesdentalnutrition,breathing,airways,functionalorthodontics,andsleephealth.Todaytheoral-systemiclinkisclearerthanever,andit'shelpingthenextgenerationofchildrenavoidbraces.Naturally,we'regonnadelveintothatalot.Andhealsohasanamazingnewbookcalled"TheDentalDiet,"whichdelvesintoancestralmedicine,thehumanmicobiome,epigenetics,andgivesyouablueprintforhowtohavehealthyteethforyourwholelife.So,Dr.Stevenwelcomeandthankyouforbeinghere.Steven:Hey,Katie,it'sapleasure.Thankssomuchforhavingme.Katie:LikeIsaid,I'msuperexcitedbecauseIamthegeekthatloves...Ilovetoresearchoralhealth.IhadacouplecavitiesasakidanddecidedIdidn'twannahavethemanymore.WhenIgotintothehealthsideofthings,Ireallystartedresearchingit,andmymindwasblownwhenIfoundthatthereactuallycouldpotentiallybeachoicehere.AndIhadmyownexperienceswithimprovingmydentalhealththroughmydiet.SoIcan'twaittojumpinwithyoubecauseIknowyouhavetheresearchtobackuptheexperiencethatIhave.Solet'sstartatthebeginning.Whydoyouthinkwe'reseeingsomanydentalproblemstodayacrosstheboardandespeciallylikecrookedteeth?Iknowthatthatwasthethingthatwasn'treallyabigdealwhenmygrandparentswerekids.


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Steven:Yeah,exactly.AndthatwasabigissueIkindofsawinmydentalpracticegoingthroughdentalschool.Youknow,youkindoftrainedthisverymechanicaltrade.AndsoIwastrainedinbiomedicalscienceandkindofhadabackgroundinsportsandnutrition.SoIalwaysthoughtabouthowlifestyleand,youknow,howfoodaffectsourbody.ButwhenIstartedtopracticetoseepatientsandworkwithdentaldiseaseinthecommunity,Ifoundthatourmouthsarevery,verysick.AndwhenIlookedbackonourconventionaltraining,wedon'thaveanswersforthis,andthisincludeseventothedecaygumdiseasebutalsocrookedteethandwisdomteethimpactions.There'snoanswerforwhykidscan’tgrow32teeth,whichahumanissupposedtogrowandhasforourentireanthropologicalhistory.Andwisdomteethinfectionsarethesamething.It'sthesameproblemthatourjawsaren'tgrowing.Sothiskindofledmedownthispathoftryingtofindtheanswerforwhythisishappening.Andtherealanswerwasfood.Andmyoriginalpassionkindof...youknow,wheremyinstinctsliewaswiththatfoodhasdestroyedourmouths.Andunfortunately,we'vemissedthisconversation,butwenowhavethesciencetobackitallup.SoI'mreallyexcitedtosharethis,youknow,thejourneythatI'vebeenonintermsof,youknow,we'vehadthiskindofamnesiaintermsofwhatourteethshouldbeandwhatweshouldeatforhealthydentalarchesandsmiles.Katie:Yeah,Iagree.AndIknowI'vetalkedto...There'ssomegreatdentistIfeellikethey'rejustgettingoutofschoolwhomaybearestartingtobemoreopen-mindedthinkingaboutthis.ButIhadtalkedtoseveraldentistsseveralyearsagowhosaidthatthere'sabsolutelynolinkbetweennutritionanddentalhealthotherthanmaybeifyougiveyourbabyabottleofjuice,itmightcausecavities.Andthatwas,youknow,sugarcausescavities.That'stheextentofthelinkbetweendentalhealthandnutrition.AndIknowlikeyouhavefoundtheoppositetobetrue.Socanwelikestartthere,likewhatdidyoustartfindinginyourresearch?Steven:Exactly.Indentaleducation,you'retaughtthatsugarcausescavities.Andwe'veknownthisfordecades,right?Andactually,thedentalindustrywaswellaheadofthemedicalindustryinidentifyinghowharmfulsugarcanbeforthebody.Wedidn'treallyidentifyhowmetabolicallyharmfulsugarcanbeuntilaround10yearsago,abitless.Butwe'veknownitcausescavities,butthatwastheextentofnutritionaltrainingindentalschool.Andsotherealkeytohowfoodshapesourdentalarchandtheimmunesysteminsideeachofourteeth,everytoothhasimmunecellsthatmakeusimmunetotoothdecay.We'repartiallyprobablytaughtthisindentalschool.Butit'salltodowithcalciumbalanceinthebody,andthatismanagedbyaspecificsetofnutrientscalledthefat-solublevitamins.Andthesearethecrucialvitaminsthatwe'veactuallystrippedoutofourdietandnotmanypeopleareawareofthem,andhealthprofessionalsaren'tawareofwhattheydointhebodyeither.Andthere'sactuallyanamazingstorybehindthefat-solublevitaminsintermsoftherewasadentistinthe'30sthatwentaroundtheworldlookingathowtraditionalculturesandsocietiesatetheirfoodsandwhathappenswhenthemoderndietcomesin.HisnamewasWestonA.Price,andthebookwascalled"NutritionandPhysicalDegeneration."Now,Ifoundthisbookbyaccident.Butwhatheshowedwasthattraditionalsocietiesatedietrichinfat-solublevitamins,andtherewasthreeofthem,vitaminA,vitaminD,andonehecalledActivatorX.AndPriceactuallydiedbeforeheidentifiedwhatactivatorXwas.But70yearslater,in2007,wefoundoutthatactivatorXisactuallyvitaminK2,whichisafat-solublevitaminaswell.Andthatwasreallyimportantbecausethatactuallyfilledthepicturein,vitaminA,vitaminDactivateallthebonecellsin


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yourbodytoabsorbcalcium.ThevitaminK2actuallyactivatestheproteinsthatcarriescalciumintobones,soithelpsourbonestogrowthemselvesbutalsointoteethaswell.Andtheotherthingtheydoisitactivatesproteinsthatcarrycalciumoutofourarteries.Soitstopsusfromhavingheartattacks.AndsostudieshaveshownthatifwegiveosteoproductwomenvitaminDandcalciumsupplementstheyactuallyincreasetheirriskofheartattackandincreasetheirbonedensity.Sothere'sthisamazinglinktowhatweeatandhowourbodymanagescalcium,yetwe'vemisunderstoodit.Andthisisastorywegothroughindentaldiet,there'sanamazinghumanstoryinit.Buttherealeveryday2018picturenowisthatweneedtoeatsothatourjawsgrowandthatourteethareimmunetodecay.Andwecandothistoday.Inourchildren,inourselves,weneedtobeabletohealandunderstandhownutritionshapesthedentalarch.Katie:Yeah,Ialsoread"NutritionandPhysicalDegeneration."Anditwasoneofthoseearlybooksthatliterallyjustblewmymind.Iwasamazedbecauseit'snotsomethingyoueverconsiderwhenyougrewupinthenormalparadigm.SoI'dlovetogoalittlebitdeeper.Youmentionedthattheteetharepartoftheimmunesystem,andIknowlikewhenbaby'steethjustasamom,liketheytendtosometimesgetlikearunnynoseorlikeevenamildfever.I'mcuriousifyou'veseenanyresearch,isthisrelatedtotheimmunecomponentthat'shappeningthereoranyideas?Steven:There'sabigconnectionbetween,forinstance,allergiesand,forinstance,mucusproductioninthenoseandthechild'sdentalhealth.Theteeththemselveshaveimmunecellssothey'repartoftheosteoimmunesystem,sowheninsideyourbonesyouhavestemcellsthatarereleasedandtheytakesignalsfromthefat-solublenutrients.Andsosomeofthosestemcellsbecomewhat'scalledtheodonblast,whichisinsidetheteeth,andtheyactuallysitinthedentalpulpandtheysendoutimmunefactorsthatareactivatedbythevitaminK2.Soyou'vegottheselittlekindof...they'relikeSWATcells,kindofswattingdownbadmicrobes.Andtheyactuallyfixproblemsintheteethiftheygowrong.Butsoifkidsarehaving,youknow,immuneproblems,allergies,andotherissues,itisageneralproblemwiththeimmunesystem,whichisrelatedtothisfat-solublevitaminsystem.Sowhenyoufixachild'sdiettoeatfoodsrichinfat-solublenutrients,theirimmunesystemsettlesaswellandtheybecomemuchmoretolerantandtheygetlessallergicreactions,youknow,theygetsicklessandtheirteetharehealthiernaturally.It'showourbodiesaredesignedtoeat.Katie:Thatmakessensecompletely.Sowhythen...Sothisseemslikeareallydrasticthingandtolikegobackwards.SoWestonPrice,hefoundalltheseculturesthathadreallystraightbeautifulteethandtheydidn'thavesignsoftoothdecay,andtheyarelivinginthesekindoflikeisolatedpopulationsfromwhatIremember.Butit'sprettydrasticbecause,untillikenotthatlongago,wewerealllivinglikethat.Sothismeansthischangehashappenedinaprettyshortamountoftimeasfaraslikethroughouthistory.Soit'salackoffat-solublevitamins.Arethereotherfactorsthatcomeintoplay,andwhatdoyouseeasthebiggestreasonsforthedeclineinfat-solublevitamins?Steven:Yeah,that'sexactlywhatitwhatPricewroteabout.Heshowedthat,becausewhenhewenttoeachculture,into14culturesaroundtheworldandheshowedthateverypoint,youknow,thesepeoplehadbeenlivingforthousandsofyearswithhealthydentalarches,32teeth,nowisdomteethimpactions,straightteeth,


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nodecay.Andhelookedatthisthroughtheancestralrecordandthenhelookedatwheredentaldiseasepopsup,anditshowsattheIndustrialRevolution.Soinonegeneration,wecandestroyourteeth,andthat'spurelywhenthemoderndietintercepts.AndsowhatPricedid,heactuallyfoundasnapshotofthisinthe'30s.Hewentaroundwherehefoundthesecultureslivingas,youknow,functioninghumanbeings,andhelivedamongstthemwatchedwhattheyate.AndsohereallymeasuredwhatIthinkwasoneofthefleetingsnapshotofthetraditionaldietdyingaroundtheworldbeforethemoderndietbasicallyswallowedtheentireworld.Soheshowedthatwhenwestarttoeatrefinedsugars,flour,vegetableoils,wenotonlystripoutthefat-solublevitamins,butweintroduceharmfulfactors.Andhecouldn'tactuallyexplainallthat.Butnowwe'vegotthesciencetobackuptoshow,well,whenyoueatthesethings,weactuallydestroyourmicrobiome.Andsotheoralmicrobiomeconnectstothegutmicrobiome.Whenyoulosediversityintheoralmicrobiome,that'swhendentaldiseasestartstopopup,andthatallhappensaroundtheAgriculturalRevolution.Andhunter-gathererpopulationshadreallydiversebacterialivinginthemouth.Andwe'vedestroyedthat,youknow,throughourscrubbing,throughourmouthwashes,throughourpoordiet.Andthat'sresultedinthelackofprotectivefactors,probioticspeciesinthemouth.AndthisiswhatPricecouldn'texplain,butit'snowallcollaboratedinthislovelyscientifickindofcollaborationin2018thatPricedidn'thave...didn'tathisdisposal.Sowe'veweputallthesepiecestogether.Pricemadealltheseobservations,tookallthesefantasticphotographs,buthecouldn'tputthepiecestogether.Butwe'vegotitalltodayintermsofwheretheresearchhasledus.Katie:That'ssofascinating.SoIknowaquestionpeoplemaybethinkingislikethiswasadietthatpeoplehadyearsandyearsago.Isitpossibleinamodernsociety,likearewetoofargone?Havewechangedourdietsasaculturetoomuchoraretherethingsthatyoufoundthatwecanactuallydotokindofcounteractwhat'shappening?Steven:Therearepartsofwhatwedo,youknow,inourpast.Youknow,andepigeneticstudiesshowthat,forinstance,ourgrandparent'slifewillaffectourownlife.Sotherearefactorsthatweareinfluencedby.Butthemessagehereisthatourenvironmentandwhatweputintoourbodyis,youknow,themostpowerfulfactorhere.Epigeneticsshowsthatwhenweeat,wehavethepowertochangeourhealthoutcome.Andsothat'sreallywhatwe're,youknow,whatthemessageisandthat'sactuallywhattheresearchshows.SousingvitaminDasanexample.So,Priceshowedthatpeopleate10to20timesasmuchfoodsrichinvitaminD.WeknowvitaminD,forinstance,youknow,contactsthousandsofgenesalloverthebody,andsothat'sgeneswaiting,starvingforvitaminD.Andsowhenwedon'tturntheseon,theysendtheirgeneticmessagesthatshiftoutourphenotypeoutput.Butwecanreversethisbyeatingandgettingmoresunlightandeatingfoodsrichinthesenutrients.SowhatIseeinpatientsiswegetaveryquickturnaround,especiallyinchildren.Inadultswhenwehavechronicdisease,itsometimestakesabitofaturnaround.Butonceweunderstandhowinfluential,forinstance,adentalarchis,foodbecomesvery,verysimple.In"TheDentalDiet,"I'veputtogethera40-dayplantogetbacktothiseatinginamoderndayworldbecauseIliveinthemodernaswell.I'mbusy.Youknow,Ihave10minutestocookameal.


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AndifweunderstandtheprinciplesthatPriceputtogetherandhowwecanuseittoday,youknow,itisaboutgettingbacktoeatingtraditionallyintermsofgettingsometraditionalcutsofmeatlikeorganmeatsandmeatontheboneandfermentedfoodsandgoodqualitysourceofdairy.SothesearethefoodsthatPricefoundthatculturesate.Sothereisalittlebitoftweakingweneedtodo,butit'spossible.Wecandoitaslongasweunderstandtheprinciplesofhowfoodshapesourteethanddentalhealth.Katie:Gotit.AndifI'mhearingyoucorrectly,foralltheparentslistening,thatthere'sactuallyhopeofavoidingbracespotentiallyorevenwisdomteethremovalthatit'snotjustageneticthing,isthatwhatyou'resaying?Steven:It'sabsolutelynotageneticthing.Ourgeneswilldeterminehowourteethbecomecrooked.So,differentraceswillgetcertaintypesofcrookedteeth.Butthereasonwhycrookedteethoccur...thiswasabigawakeningmomentformyself,iswhenyougoandtalktoanyanthropologist,theylaughatyouwhenyouaskthemaboutcrookedteethinhumanhistory.Itdoesn'thappeneverandwisdomteethimpactionsarethesame.Andsoweactuallyhaveanorthodonticmodelnowthatcanpreventbraces.Andweknowthatfunctionandbreathingactuallydefinesthedentalarch.Soit'sareallyexcitingareaoffunctionaldentistrywhereweinterceptearlyenoughinachild'sgrowthanddevelopmentwecanguidethedentalgrowthnaturallysothattheirjawgrowsstraight,theyhaveteethwithouteverhavingbraces.Andthat'saddressingthecauseoftheproblem.Andsojustbygettingachild,forinstance,tobreathethroughtheirnose,tositwiththeirtongueagainstthepalate,andposturetheirlipsclose,thatwillsendthemechanicalforcesbecauserememberthatthejawisabiomechanicaljointjustlikeanyotherjoint.Sowhenyouexerciseitproperly,itgrowsintherightway.Andbreathingandtonguefunction,youknow,isapowerfulepigeneticmessagethatyousendtoyourjaw.Wecanprogramakid'sjawtogrownaturally.Sothisisareallyimportantmessageformom.Wehavetheorthodonticmodeltherethatisjustbuddingwherewecanpreventbraces.Sotoforgetaboutwaitinguntilyourkidis12andextractingteeththatmolly'sover.Ifyouhavethatrecommendationnow,Iwouldgettwo,threeotherconsultationsbeforeextractingteethandputtingbracesonbecausethecrookedteetharejustthesymptom.Andunderlyingallthisisthechild'sfood.Soifwegetachildeatingright,ifwegetthemfunctioningrightandbreathingright,thentheirdentalarchwilldevelopnaturally.Andwecancorrectthisaswellinteensandadults.It'saveryexcitingfieldofpreventativedentistry.Katie:AndifI'munderstandingright,thenalsoifyou'rejustdoingbracesandjustkindofmovingtheteetharound,thenyou'renotactuallyaddressingthepalateproblem,tobeginwith,andthearchesatall.Socouldtherestillbefurtherproblemsevenbeyondifsomeonehadbraces?Steven:Katie,that'sexactlyright.Sowe'veunfortunatelywalkingintoanepidemicofadultsandkidsthathavebreathingdisorders.Andsowhenyourteethdon'tdevelopstraight,yourjawsaremalformedbydefinition.Andthatmeansthatyourairwaysaremalformed,sothemaxilla,theupperjawwhereyourteethsititinto.Whenyouhaveahigherpalate,thatisexactlyimpingingonwhereyournasalsinusesshouldbe.Sothat'savolumewhereyoushouldbebreathing.Andsokidsthatcan'tbreathethroughtheirnoseareforcedtomouthbreaththen.Andsowhatthatdoesisit


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starvesthemofnitricoxide,whichissynthesizedinthenasalpassages.Andsothatneedstobedeliveredtothelungsinorderforthechildtodeliveroxygenallaroundtheirbody,especiallytothebrainwhentheysleep.Andsowhathappensisthatwearebasicallyturningourselvesintoaracethatcannotbreathe.Andsoit'sreallyconcerning.Wenowhavesleepapnea.Ithasbecomeanepidemicinadults,butwehaveawholespectrumofpeoplewithupperairwayresistancesyndrome,whichisoftencharacterizedbycoldhandsandfeet,digestiveproblems,poorsleep,anxiety,depression.Andthereasonis,iswhenyougotosleep,yourairwayshaveincreasedpressureandsendingchokingmessagestothebrainandyou'renotsleeping.You'regoingtodeepREMsleep.Andthisishappeninginkidsaswell.Andsowe'renowprescribing10%ofADHDmedicationstokidswhenactuallythey'renotsleepingorbreathingright.Andifwejustcorrectthis,gettheirdentalarchgrowingproperly,thenwecangettotheproblembeforeitallhappens.Katie:Yeah.AndevenfromthelittlebitI'veresearched,andI'mnotquitedonewithyourbook,butI'vestartedreadingit.FromwhatIunderstandtoo,youmentionedtheteethinthemouthorarichplacewherestemcellsare.AndIbelievetheperiodontalligamentisaswell.Andsoevenforadults,Ibelievethere'swaysyoucanaddressthearches,isthatright?Steven:Absolutely.Soweweretaughtindentalschoolthatthemaxilla,thepalateatthetopofthemouth,itfusesinlikewhenyou'reinearlyadulthood.Andwhatweweretaughtwasthat"Well,thegrowthisfinished.It'simpossible."Butthereareactuallystemcellsalongthemidlineofyourmouth.Youcanactuallyrunyourfingerupandfeelit.Andsowhenyoustimulatethosestemcells,sothat'sbypressure,andsonaturallythatshouldbewhereyourtonguesits.Sothetongueshouldsitatthetopofthemouthandexertpressureonthemaxilla,andthat'sanexpandingpressure.Butwhatwecandoisthereareorthodonticdevicesthatcanactuallygrowthemaxillaoutwardandforwardandcorrectmodelsinadults.AndI'veseenbrainscansinadultsthathavedonesixmonthsofexpansionandtheirwholefaceremodels,theireyesremodelbecausethemaxillahaschangedinresponse.Themandibleandtheanglesofthejawremodel,butwhat'smostamazingisthatthesphenoidbone,whichisthebaseofthebrain,thebonesittingrightunderyourbrainremodelsaswell.Sowecanchangeawholeadult'scraniofacialsystemjustbyexpandingtheirpalate.Thisishowcrucial,youknow,themessagethatourteethsendus.Buttheteethisjustasymptom.There'sanentireproblemthatneedstobeaddressedthatbeginswithfunctionandfood.Katie:That'ssofascinating.Sototakeitbacktotheverybeginning,mostofthepeoplelisteningaremoms.Sohowcanweknowasmomslikeintheearlychildhoodifourkidsarehavingsomeoftheseproblemsorifthere'sgonnabeariskforbracesorwisdomteethproblems?BecauseIknowmanypeopleinmyownlifewhohavesleepapneaasadults.Andobviously,Idon'twantmykidstogettothatpoint.Sohowcanwespotitearly?Steven:Exactly.Andthisisareallyimportantmessage,isthatmomscanspothowtheirchild'sdentaldevelopmentisgoingrightfrombirth.Andsothere'sfivequickstepsthattheycantake.AndIgointomoredetailonthisonmywebsite.Soiftheywannacheckthatout,Icangivedetailsforthatafter.Butthefirstthingtocheckisthetongue,andsothetongueshouldbesittingatthetopofthepalate.Butmanykidstodayhaveoralrestrictionsortongueties,andthat'sactuallyaflapofskinunderthetongue.Andsothere'smanypeoplethatgoundetected.


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Andsowhatthatcandoisitcanstopthechildfrombreastfeedingproperly.Itcanstopthemfromposturingtheirtonguetotheroofofthemouth.Andsoasimplecheckonyourselfistoputyourtonguetothespotbehindyourfrontteeth,thetopofyourmouthandthenopenyourjawaswideasyoucanandseeifyoucanstillgetyourtonguetothatspot.Ifyoucan't,you'velikelygotanoralrestrictionoratonguetie.Nowyoucantestyourchildsimplybygettingthemtolifttheirtonguetotheroofofthemouth,seeingifyoucanseeaflapofskinbutalsorunningyourfingerunderthetongue.Thereshouldbenocatchthere.Thetongueshouldbecompletelyfreeofanyconnectionorfraenulumtothebottomofthemouth.Andsothat'sthefirststep.Andsoyoucanactuallygetyourchild'stonguetiereleased.Andthatwillhelpthemtoswallowproperly,tofunction,andactuallyspeakproperlymovingforward.Andsothat'simportantfororalfunction.Nextistheirpalate.Sokidsshouldhaveaniceflatu-shapedpalate.NowmanykidstodayhaveaV-shapedhighpalate.Ifyoulookatyourkid'spalate,whichistheroofoftheirmouth,sogetthemtoopentheirmouthandtipyourheadbackslightly.We'redoingkindafunctionaldentalexaminthemoment.IftheirpalatelooksV-shaped,soifthere'sapointbehindtheirfrontteethanditlooksverynarrowandit'shighandinflamed,thatmeansthattheirmaxillarybreadthortheirupperjawgrowthisn'tquitewhereitshouldbeandyoushouldalreadybethinkingaboutbreathingproblemsbecausethathighpalateisimpingingontheirnasalsinuses.Soifyouseeahighpalate,alwaysthinkandcheckbreathing.Sothattakesustothenextstep,whichistheirnose.Doesyourchildbreathethroughtheirnosecomfortably?Getthemtositdownfor20seconds.Cantheybreathejustthroughtheirnosewiththeirlipsclosedcomfortably?Dotheylooklabored?Dotheirshouldersmove?Howdotheystandwhenthey'rejustbreathingandwatchingtelevision?Doestheirmouthhangopenwhenthey'rewatchingtelevision?Theseareallsignswhetheryourchildhabituallybreathesthroughtheirnose.That'swhereweneedthemtobe.Weneedtohavethembreathingwiththeirlipsclosed,throughtheirnose.Andsoactuallycleaningyourchild'snosewithpotentiallyasalinerinseorevenawarmclothwouldbemoreimportantthancleaningtheirteethbecauseiftheybreathethroughtheirnose,theirupperjawisgonnadevelop.Andthefourthstepisathroatcheck.Soyoucangetyourchildtoopenupwideandsay,"Ah."Andhavealookattheirtonsils.Canyouseethethroat?Youshouldbeabletoseethebackofthethroat.Youshouldbeabletoseealotofspaceabovethetongueandbasicallyrightbacktothethroat.Ifyouseelargetonsils,inflamedtonsils,andifthetongueimpingesyourview,it'scalledtheMallampaticheck.YoucanGooglethat.There'sanimage.Andsoifthetongueimpedestheirviewitmeansthattheirairwaysareimpinged.Andsothat'sasignthatyouneedtohaveyourchildcheckedforear,nose,andthroatimpediments.Andtheymightneedtheiradenoidsandtonsilschecked.Thelastistheirsleepandbreathing.Sowhentheygotosleep,doesthechildsleepontheirstomach?Dotheysleepwiththeirmouthopen?Dotheysnore?Nochildshouldsnore.Andsoifachildissnoring,thatmeansthey'restrugglingforair.Andsowhatyouneedtodoiswatchyourchildsleep.Iftheywetthebedortheyhaverestlesslegs,that'sallasignofneurologicaldistressbecausethey'renotbreathingright.Sotheyneedtogettoaniceslowrhythmofbreathingthroughtheirnoseandwithclosedlipswithtonguetotheroofofthemouthallthroughtheday.Andthey'lldothatatnightaswell.Andsoyoucangetdentalprofessionalstoassessandhelpyouwiththis,butparentsneedtobeabletoidentifytheirsignsearlyandnotwaituntilit'stoolateandsay,"Well,mykid'steetharecrooked,"orhavingadentisttell,"Yourkid'steetharecrookedandyouneedteethextractedandbraces."That'snotaddressingthe


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cause.Weneedtogetthesebreathingandfunctionalissuesfixedfirst.Katie:Yeah,IabsolutelyagreeandI'mlookingbackonmyownchildhood.Andatfiveyearsold,Ihadmytonsilsandadenoidsremovedandlookingbackandthinkinglike,"IfonlyIknewnow,"youknow,couldtellmyselfbackthen.ButIalsoamcuriousifyouhaveanyinsight.I'veheardfromalotofmomswhoarebreastfeedingtheirchildrenandtheirdentististellingthemtheyneedtostopbreastfeedingbecausethebabyisgettingtoothdecayordevelopmentalproblemsfrombreastfeeding.AndIhaveseenalotofmomsquitbreastfeedingbecauseofthat.SoI'mcuriousifyoucameacrossthisinyourresearchandisbreastfeedingatnightreallycausingtoothdecayinnewborns?Steven:Yeah,thisisabigproblembecausethere'sabigmisunderstandinginthedentalindustryastowhythat'shappening.Now,therecanbeacauseofnursingdecayfromnighttimenursing,butit'snottherootcause.Therootcauseisthatbreastmilkisformulatedbythemother'sbody,sothereareacoupleoffactorshere.SoifamotherisvitaminDdeficient,iftheyhaveanimbalancedmicrobiome,thebreastmilkhasitsownmicrobiome,sowhatthemother'sbodywilldowilltransfertheirowngutmicrobestotheirbreastmilk.Sowhatwereallyneedtobetellingmothershereisthattheirownguthealth,theirownvitaminDlevel,theirowndietisgoingtoinfluencetheirbreastmilk.Andbottled...sorry,nighttimedecayfrombreastfeedingactuallyusuallybecauseifthechildisn'tswallowingproperly.Soifachildhasdecay,especiallyonthefrontteetharoundthelips,that'susuallybecausemilkispoolingaroundthe,behindthelipsupinthatsulcusandnotbeingswallowedbythechild.Andsothere'sanumberofissuesherefunctional.SoIwouldalwayssaygoandseealactationconsultant.GoandhaveyourvitaminDlevelschecked.Haveyougutcheckedbecausebreastfeedingisacrucial,crucialdevelopmentalperiodforachild.Nighttimebreastfeedingdoesnotcausedecay.Thereareotherissuesthatarehappening,andsothere'sabigfunctionalcomponentherethatweneedtoconsidernotsimplytosay,"Don'tbreastfeedatnight."Soit'saverysimplisticway.It'slikejustsaying,"Youknow,brushyourteethtopreventdecay,"Well,no,there'salotmoretothepicturethensimplyscrubbingplaqueoffyourteeth.Katie:Yeah,andIloveit.LikeIsaid,I'mreadingyourbookandit'ssofascinating,andthatwasactuallywhereIwashopingtogonextbecauseI'vealsoheardfromalotofmomswhoaresuperlikediligentwithmakingsuretheirkidsbrushtheirteethandflossandtheirkidsarestillhavingoralhealthproblems.AndsoI'mcuriousifyoucoulddelveintothat,likeisittrulyjustthatwe'renotbrushingandflossingwellenoughwhenthekidsareseeingtheseproblemssoearly?Steven:Yeah,exactly.AndthisisaproblemIsawindentalpracticeallthetime,isthatkids,youknow,don't...it'sveryhardtomakethechildbrushproperly.Let'sbehonest,right?I'veseenveryfewkidsandparentstheycanactuallygetinthereandbrushachild'steethprobably.It'sdifficultbecausekidsdon'tlikeit.Youknow,it'shardtogetthemtodoitthemselves,it'shardtomonitor.Butbrushingisaverysuperficialsolutiontoadeeperproblem.SothewayIfindIliketothinkofitis,youknow,doyoutakeyourcarwithanengineproblemtothecarwash?No,youdon't.Youwannatakeittothemechanicstolookunderthebonnet.AndsowhatIfoundindentalpracticeisthatkidsthatbrushordon'tbrushorparentsthatbrushwellitdoesn'talwaysrelatetowhetherthechildgetsdecayornot.Anditcomesbacktothefactthatitdependsonwhatthekidiseating.Andsothere'stwobigfactorshere.Insideyourchild'steetharetheseimmunecellsthatarehungryforvitaminD.SothefirstthingIwouldbecheckingisyourchild'svitaminDlevels.Arethey


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gettingsome?Areyoueatingfoodsrichinfat-solublevitaminslikeliver,eggs,cheese,grass-raisedbutter,anythingthatwillprovide…fattyfish.AndwhatparentsshoulddoisIwouldrecommendmonitoringtheirvitaminDlevelsbecauseinkidsthathavedecay,IfindchroniclowvitaminD.Andit'sagoodmarkertoseewhetheryourchildhasthosedefensesystemsup.Theothersideisthatplaqueandbacteriaareallpartofthemicrobiome.Youknow,we'vehadplaqueandwecalledbiofilmnowinthescientificcommunity,youknow,forthousandsofmillionsofyearsinourmouthandwe'venothaddecay.Sotheissueisn'tscrubbingjustplaqueoff.It'sactuallyhavingahealthyoralmicrobiome.Andsointroducingtheprobioticspeciesthroughfermentedfoodsandlotsoffiberandprebioticfibersarethedefensivefactorsinthemouththatwillactuallyprotectthetoothenamel.Andthat'swhatprotectsachildfromtoothdecay,sotheprotectivebacteria,theimmunesysteminsidethetooth,allofasuddenyou'vegotabiologicalsystemthatishappyanddoesn'tgetdentaldiseaseall.Sodietandtheirfunctionandlifestyleisfarmoreimportantthanjustbrushingtheirteeth.AndsoIusedtotryandgetmoms,youknow,tobrushtheirkid'steeth,andit'sdifficult.Buttherealmessagehereisthatyoucanpreventdentaldiseaseinyourchildren'smouththroughfoodnutritionandgoodfunction.Katie:Yeah,IdefinitelyhaveseenthatinourexperiencebecauseIread"NutritionandVisibleDegeneration"whenmyoldestchildwasreallyyoung.AndsoI'vealwayshadafocusoffat-solublevitaminswiththemandnoneofourkidshaveeverhadacavityorevenanythingthatlikeremotelylikeacavity.SoIthinkthere'sahugeconnectionbecause,withsixofthem,that'saprettygoodsamplesize.Sothefactthatwe'veneverhadacavity,which...andIwannagodeeperonthis.So,you'vementionedlikeorganmeatsandbroth.Let'sgoalittledeeperonwhatfoodsandnutrientsaremostimportantforchildrentoeatforhealthyteeth.Steven:Yes.ThethreevitaminsarevitaminA,vitaminD,andvitaminK2.AndwhatPriceshowedwasthatcultureswouldtreasurefoodsrichinthesenutrients.Andthehardthingaboutthesefoodsisthattheyactuallycomefromaverysmallsetoffoodsinnature.Andthisiswhat"NutritionandPhysicalDegeneration"isabout,isthathow,youknow,allthedifferentsocietieskindofmadesurethattheirpeopleeatthesefoods.Sofoodsthatarerichinthesethingsarecertaincutsofanimalfoodso,forinstance,organmeats.SoIwouldrecommendthatparentstrytointroduceliverinsomewayevenifit'sinfrozenform,incubes,orifit'sin...there'sarecipein"TheDentalDiet"whereIhaveorganmeatmeatballswhereyoumixitwithmince.Soyouhaveafewslicesofgrass-raisedliver.Youmixitwithmeatballputinthebowlandsauce.Kidswillnevernotice.They'regettingagooddoseoffat-solublevitaminsin.Makingsurethey'regettingplentyofeggs,plentyofbutter,full-fatfoods.Whatwehavetorememberisthatthesefat-solublenutrientsaredeliveredandpackagedlikeanamazingpostagesystemcalledtheirbloodcholesterol,anditrequiresfattodigest.Andsoifwedon'teatthesefull-fatfoodsandthesenourishingfatslikebutter,ghee,coconutoil,animalfats,lardtalo,wedon'tabsorbthesenutrients.Soreintroducingyourchildrentothesefoodsissocrucialandthat'swhatcreateshealthybonesandteethanddentalarcheswhentheyhavethesenourishingwholefatfoods.AndthisiswhatPricereallyshowsthathumanshavealwayseaten,youknow,thesetreasuredfoods,andalsowheretheycomefromaswell,sowhere,forinstance...howacowisraised,whatit'sfed,whetherit'sfedongrassorgrain.So,grass-fedcowthatisinthesunwillhavethevitaminsA,D,andK2.It'sdairyruleaswellandsounderstandingthesources.VitaminK2,forinstance,comesfromtwosources.Itcomesfromanimalsources,inbutter,eggs,andcertainorganmeats,butitalsocomesfromferments,likefermentedsauerkraut,Japanese


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Nattō,andotherbacterialsources,whichisaslightlydifferenttypebutintroducingthosealsomakingsurethatyourkidskindofdevelopthatpalatehelpsaswell.Andwegothroughthisin"TheDentalDiet,"youknow,tohelpkindofgetafamilyeatingthiswaybecauseit'snotawaythatwe'velearnedtoeatgrowingup.It'snotawaythatIategrowingup.Asyousaid,Katie,youknow,ourteethsufferedasaresult.Mysisterhaddecayandsheneededbraces.Iwaslucky.IthinkIwasgrowinguponmoreprelow-fatdiet.Butbasically,whatwe'vedoneintermsofalow-fatdietiswe'vedestroyedthesefat-solublenutrientsandhowthebodyabsorbsthem.Katie:Yeah,andIthinkthat'ssoencouragingbecauseIrememberwhenIfirstreadsomeoftheresearchonitandespeciallyaboutthearchesevenDr.Priceatthatpointseemedtothinklikeyoucanimproveyouroralhealth.Youcanre-mineralizeteeth,butyourarchiskindofdeterminedwhenyou'reinuteroandyou'rekindofsetinstone.AndIlovethatwhatyou'resayingin"TheDentalDiet,"whichIhighly,highlyrecommendisthatthat'snotactuallythecase.Andthatthereisawaynowtosortoflikeepigeneticallychangeyourdentalarchevenafterit'sdevelopedorevenwhenyou'reanadult.SoIlovethatyouhavefoundthisresearchbecauseIthinkit'sreallyhopefulforalotofpeople.Steven:Yeah.I'veenjoyedthejourneysomuchbecauseactuallythere'sbeenalotofgreatdentalprofessionalsdoingthisworkandthere'salotofhelpoutthereforpeopleaswell.SoIgetalotofinquiriesfromparentsabout,youknow,"WherecanIfindadentistthatdoesthisstuff?"There'salotofdifferentwaysthatyoucanfinddentiststhatareworkinginthiswaylookingatthemouthandteethanddentalarchasawholesystem,notjusttryingtofixteethandputcrownsonthemandputdentalfillingsin.Soinyourareaifyou'restrugglingtofindaprofessional,Iwouldrecommendfindingsomeone,forinstance,adentistthatworksinsleeporairways,myofunctionaltherapy,myofascial,orofacialmycology,askyourdentistiftheyworkwithanEMT,withasleepphysician.Alloftheseareasarecomingtogetherinamultidisciplinarywaywherewemakesurethatachildisdevelopingandnotsimplyfixingthecrookedteethattheend.Andunderlyingallisnutrition.AndIreallythinkthatthemostimportantdentalcheck-upthatachildwillgetisthethreethattheygetadayathomewiththeirparentswhentheyeattheirfoodwhentheysitandbreatheandwatchingTV.Parentshaveaprofound,profoundabilitytoinfluencetheirchild'sdentalgrowth,andweneedtogetthismessageouttherebecauseourkid'sjawsneedtodevelop.Idon'tthinkwe'reheadingintherightdirectionifourcraniofacialandskeletalsystemsaren'tgrowingright.AndsoIthinkit'saproblemthatweneedtoaddressquitedrastically.Katie:Yeah.IlovethatandI'mrighttherewithyou.I'veforyearslikeI'vebeenonthebandwagonoflet'savoidvegetableoilsandsugarsandrefinedgrains.AndIknowthatyourresearchbacksthataswell.Andwedidthisactuallyinourfamily,somyhusbandwasdiagnosedwithmoderatesleepapnea.Andironically,intheprocessofresearchingforhim,IcameacrossadentistwhospecializedinlikethiskindofDNAdevicethatepigeneticallyhelpswidenthearchwayinadultsandtheyalsodothisinchildren.AndsinceheandIbothhadbraces,soweknewlikethere'salreadyprobablysomedeficienciesthatIhadevenwhenIwaspregnantandthattheywerealreadygonnahavepotentiallyworkingagainstthem.That'ssomethingweaddressedearly.Andit'sbeenfascinatingtoseelikebecausetheyallhavethesewidearches,andI'mnowkindoflikelookingatotherkidswhenIseethemandjustrealizingitisreallywidespreadandit'sreally,reallysadtoseeandhavingbeenthroughreallyseverebracesmyself.Certainly,thatwassomethingIwashappytosavemykidsfromhaving.


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ThisepisodeisbroughttoyoubyMyGreenMattress.Ifyou’vebeenreadingWellnessMama,youknowthatIhaveusedandrecommendednaturalandorganicmattressesforyears.AndI’vetriedalotofthem.Wespendathirdtoahalfofourtimeinourbeds,especiallychildren.Sothisisonegreatplacetooptimizeandreduceexposuretoharmfulchemicals.We’vetried,likeIsaid,severaldifferentmattressesovertheyearsandIlovealltheonesthatwe’vetried.They’reallnaturaloptions.ButI’vebeengettingalotofrequestsforamorebudgetfriendlyoptionthatisgoodforkids.Whichiswhywhenourlittlestneededabiggermattress,weorderedonefromMyGreenMattress.TheyareGOTandGOLScertified,theyareGREENGUARDcertifiedandthey’recompletelynatural.They’realsomuchlessexpensivethanalotofmattresses.Soyoucancheckthemoutandfindoutmoreatwellnessmama.com/go/green-mattress.

ThisepisodeisbroughtyoutobyJoovvredlighttherapy,whichhasbecomeanintegralpartofmydailyroutineandhere’swhy.JoovvhasredlightswithspecificwavelengthsofredlightthatincreaseATP,whichisAdenosineTriphosphateProduction,inthebodybysupportingthemitochondria.NowsinceATPisresponsiblefornotjustyourenergythatyoufeel,butprettymucheverythingthathappensinyourbody,thisisabigdeal.Thistherapyisalsoknownasphotobiomodulationandithaswelldocumentedbenefitsforskinhealth,forenergylevels,forrecoveryafterinjuryorsurgery,forimprovingthyroidhealth(whichiswhatI’musingitfor),andevenasananti-agingdevicebecauseitincreasescollagenproductionandhairgrowthandreduceshairloss.Solotsofcoolbenefits.Youcancheckitout,theonethatIuse,atwellnessmama.com/go/joovv.Youcanalsocheckouttheshownotesformoreinformation.

Katie:Howquicklyareyouabletoseeresultswithchildren?BecauseIknowalotofparentsmaybereallyintriguedrightnowandwantingtoknowhowtheycanhelptheirchildimmediatelystarthavingbetterdentalhealth.Andsohowquicklyareyoutypicallyabletoseeresultswhensomeonemakesthesechanges?Steven:So,forinstance,kidstheverytypicalpresentationwe'veseeninthedentalofficeiskidswalkinginwiththeirshouldersslumpedforward.Theyhaveaverythinnarrowface,bagsundertheireyes,mouthopen.Theirmomwillsay,"Theydon'tsleepwell.Theydon'tbehavewellatschool."Youknow,thattheygenerally...they'retiredallthetime.Theyhavetosleepintheafternoon.Andsothat'savery,verycommon,andthere'sapictureinthebookactuallythatshowsthiskindof...It'safacialdevelopmentproblem.They'llhaveahighpalate.They'llhavecrookedupperteeth.Theirtonguewillbesittingovertheirlowerteethandtheirlowerteethwillbeslightlycrookedaswell.Andsoinkids,youknow,betweenthreeandseven,wecanactuallyinterveneveryquicklyinthis.Andwecanactuallygetthemongrowthpattern.Ifwecangetthefunctionbeforefive,youknow,theymayneverevenneedintervention.Wewillactuallysee,forinstance,ifwefixtheirdiet,gettheirvitaminDlevelsupandgetthembreathingright,alltheirallergies,alltheirtonsilswillactuallystarttosettledown.Andthey'llstarttobreakevenbeforewestarttreatingbeforewestartintervening.Andthenforkidsthatarealittlebitolder,sobetween5,7,and10.Sothat'swhenthey'regoingthroughtheirmixeddentitionstageswhenthere'sbeenacertainamountofdevelopment,butthey'restillingrowthphasessothere'slotsthatwecando.Wecanactuallydoslightexpansion,continueonwiththedietandthefunctionalmodel,andthey'llactuallyrespond.Andbeforethey're9and10,alloftheirpremolarsareeruptinginnaturally.Sowecanactuallygettoitbeforeitbecomesaproblem.


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Andtraditionally,withbraces,thatwouldbecominginwhenthey're11and12andhavingthoseextractionsiftheyneededitandhavingthebracers,butwefixthatbeforeitgoesin.Forteenagers,itwillrequiresomeexpansion,soitdoestakeabitoftime.Andforadults,itwilltaketimeaswellbetweensixmonthsandtwoyearsdependingontheseverityofthemalocclusionandthefunctionalproblems.Butitreallyisamatterofjustaddressingtherootcauses.Andsogettingthatbreathingright,gettingthefoodandfat-solublevitaminsbalancedandgettingtheiroralpostureright.Andtheresultsareremarkable.Andthegreatthingtooisthatit'ssuchasettlingfeeling,there'ssomuchparasympatheticinnervationinthepalate.Andsoachildhoodisjustgonnabesomuchmoreatrestoncetheirjawandteetharesetthewaytheyshouldbeandoncethey'reonatrajectorytowardsgrowing.Andsothey'regonnabehavedifferent.They'regonnabeadifferentperson.Youknow,we'vehadpeopleworkwithparentsthathavecomeinandsaid,"Thisisadifferentchild."Andit'sbecausethey'resleepingbetter,it'sbecausetheirbrainisatease,andit'sbecausethey'regrowingthewaytheyshouldbeinsteadofbeingtrappedinthiscolloidalsystemthatis,youknow,basicallystarving.Katie:Yeah.Ithinkit'ssuchanimportantmessage.AndIcontrastlikemyownchildhooduptillaboutageeightversusourthirdchild.SohewasbornviaC-section,soIknewaheadoftimeandwedidgapsdietwithhimearlyonthathewasgonnahavemaybemoremicrobiomechallengesthantheotherkids.Buthewastheonethatendedupwiththeenlargedtonsils.Whenwestarteddoingthesetreatmentswiththekids,hehadtheenlargedtonsils.Hedidsnorealittlebitwhenheslept.Hedidn'tsleepthatwell.AndthatwasapartInoticedmostdrasticallywashestartedsleepingreally,reallywellandhisfocuswentthroughtheroofandhistonsilsshrunk,whichhavinghadmytonsilsoutandhavinghadteethremovedandthosebeingprettytraumaticexperiencesinmychildhood,Iwasso,sogratefulthatwewereabletoavoidthatwithhimandwiththeotherkids.SoIthinkyourmessageisso,soimportant.AndIknowanotherquestionalittlebitoff-topic,butwe'llloopitbackinthatpeoplemaywannaknowyouropiniononisoilpullingbecausetherewasastudythatcameoutIguessacoupleyearsagonowsayingthatlikeflossingalonedoesn'tpreventcavities.Andthensomepeoplearerecommendingoilpulling.I'vedoneitjustbecauseIfeellikeithelpsmymouth.MyteethfeelverysmoothandhealthywhenIdoit.ButI'dlovetohearifyouhavecomeacrossanyresearchonitorhaveanopiniononewayortheother.Steven:Yeah.Oilpullingisafunnyone.ItactuallydatesbacktoAyurvedictraditions.Imean,thebasicprinciplesofoilpullingareverysoundinthatyou'reintroducingafattoamicrobialenvironmentthatbecomesdiseasedwhenwefeedtoomanysimplecarbohydratesintoit.Soinanenvironmentwherewearefloodingourmouthswithsimplecarbohydrates,whetherit'swhiteflourorrefinedsugars,oilpullingmakesalotofsenseinthatitmaybalanceoutthebacterialproblemsthatcausethingsliketoothdecayandgumdisease.Intermsofresearch,wedon'thavetheresearchtherethatshows,youknow,whatexactlyitdoesintermsoforalhealthoutcomes.Thereareafewsmallstudiesandlow-qualityevidencethatyouknow,showsthatitmayhavebenefits.Itdoeshaveatraditionalbacking.Sothat'ssomethingthatIliketokindoflookatisthatyouknow,isthereahistoryofthis.Youknow,traditionalmedicinealways...liketomeIthinkisreallycomingforwardintermsofwhattraditionaldoctorsusedtorecommendtotheirpatients.Butwedon'thavethescienceyet.


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Youknow,shouldwedoitinsteadofbrushing?Maybeornot.Ithinkit'sagreatadjunctive.Ialwaystellmypatientsifyoulikeitdoit.Butthemainmessageismakesureyoueatalotoffatwithyourmeals.Themostvaluablethingyoucandoforyourteethandmouthistoeatmorefatandyouknow,that'ssomethingthatIreallyhopethatpeoplecancomemorecomfortablewithandyetchangetheirowndentalhealthbecauseof.Katie:Yeah.No,Ithinkthat'sagreatpoint.Forme,it'sagreatalternativetolikemouthwash,whichhassomeprettyharshstuffinit.AndsoIjustfindit'sadailyroutineforme,butthat'sagreatpoint.Andhopefully,wewillseesomemoreresearchonitinthefuture.Whataboutcavities?Becausewehaven'treallydelvedintocavitiesyet.Icansayfrommyexperience,Iwasabletoreverseacoupleofsmallcavities,butI'mcuriousifthere'sactuallyresearchthatbacksthisupandwhatyou'vecomeacrossthere.Steven:Soindentalschool,we'retaughtthatthedentin,sotheinnerlayerofthetoothabovethedentalpulpunderthetoothenamel,there'sthisdiagraminthebookthatdescribesthis.Itactuallyhasareparativecapability.Soit'scalledreparativedentin.Andthisisthisimmunesystemisthatteethdohavetheabilitytohealthemselves.Toothenamelcannotbehealedbecauseit'sacellular,itdoesn'thavelivecellsinit.Soifachildlosestoothenamel,youcan'tgrowthatback,butyoucanrepairtheinnerlayer,thedentinunderneath.Andsowhatalotofparentsarekindoflookingatnowis,youknow,whetherweneedfillingsindeciduousteeth.That'sacase-by-casedecision,buttherearereparativecapabilitiesinchildrenandadultteeth.Andsoifachildhasasmallcavity,thenitmaybewisertogodowntheroadofchangingtheirdiet,removingthesugars,flowers,andvegetableoils,gettingtheirvitaminDlevelsup,gettingthatK2inthere,youknow,swishingwithanemuoiloracoconutoilandtakingaway,youknow,themouthwashesandtoothpaste.Thenwemightcreatetheenvironmentthatallowsreparativedentintoform.Thebodycandoit,andkidswillrespondveryquickly.Itispossible.Incertaincases,itmaybemorepreferabletogetadentalrestorationbecauseit'sgoingtosealoffcertainpartofthetooththatmaygetre-infected.Butforthemostpart,ifyoubalancethosefactors,theoralmicrobiome,ifyougetthatimmunesysteminsidethatchild'stoothworking,thetoothwillhealitselfandadjust.Andsoparentsshould,youknow,reallybe,youknow,don'tlosesomuchhopeifyoudoseeyourchildhasahole,especiallyindeciduousteethbecause,youknow,thereishopingthattheyaregoingtocomethrough.Youcanmanageitpotentiallywithoutgettingadentalfilling,butachildmayneedadentalfillingmovingforwardpendingonthediagnosis.Andifit'sinfectedandifthere'sswellingaroundthegums,Iwoulddefinitelygetthatcheckedout.Butthere'sdefinitelycapabilitytohealteeth.Katie:Socoolandsuperfascinating.AndIguessthesisterquestionwouldbewhataboutgumdisease?Becausethat'sapparentlyontheriseinchildrenaswell.AndIwouldguessthattheanswerisgonnadefinitelyincludenutritionforsurebecausethatseemstobethekeytoallofit.Butarethereanyotherthingspeoplecandotohelpimprovegumdisease?Steven:Yeah,exactly.AndsogumdiseasereallyIthinkis...Sowhenyourgumsbleed,youknow,whenyouseethefirstsignsofgumdisease,whicharekindofswollenpocketingaroundtheteeth.It'sasignthatyourimmunesystemisn'thappy.AndsoIthinkbleedinggumsarethefirstsignofleakygut.Andsoyoumentionedyouwenttoagutprotocolwithyourchildwhohadacesareanbirth,andsothatwasaverysmartthingtodo.Ifpeopleareshowingprogressivegumdisease,Iwouldverymuchgodowntheroad,istheyneedtogetgutcheckedoutbecausetheirimmunesystemandtheirmicrobiomeisn'tinagoodrelationship.


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AndsoIalwaysgodowntheroadofcheckingfoodintolerances,makingsurethatwillremoveyourharmfulfoods,gettinglotsofrenourishingfactorsinsuchasbonebrothsandcollagenandlotsoffat-solublevitamins.Butsoifyou'rethinkingalongthoselinesand...soagapstyle,especiallyforpeoplewith,youknow,withsevereperiodontitiswill,youknow,hopefully,starttohealthatimmunesystemthatwillhelpthebodytobegintohealthegumsinsteadofeatingitaway.Andsooneofthebiggestcorrelationstodiseaseinthebodybetweengumsisautoimmunity.Andsothisisallagutproblemaswell.It'sbasicallythebodyeatingawayatyourgum.Soit'slikeanautoimmunecondition.Andit'scrazythatwehaven'tclassifieditthatwaybefore.So,basically,thethreefactorsyoushouldlookatarevitaminD,yoursleepbecausethemicrobiomeandvitaminDlevelsarecloselyconnectedtosleepapnea,sothere'slikelyasleepproblemaswellandgutproblems.Soifyouaddressthosethreefactors,theywillusuallyunderliewhatiscausingthegumdiseaseinthefirstplace.Andthenyoucangodownthelineofifyouneedperiodontaltherapy,wemaybeabletoreversethatoratleaststoptheprogressionofpocketing.Katie:Icouldliterallytalktoyouaboutthisallday,Ithink.ButIwannamakesureIrespectyourtime.Soobviously,IwouldrecommendandI'llhavelinkstoallofthisintheshownotesonyourbook.Andyouhaveacourseaswellthat'skindofanimmersionintoallofthis.Butwherecanpeoplefindyouonlineandwherewouldyourecommendthattheystartifthey'rekindofnewtothisconceptbutaredefinitelystrugglingwithoralhealthproblems?Steven:Yes.Sotheycanfindmeonmywebsitedrstevenlin.com,sowww.drstevenlin.comoronsocialmediaonFacebookandInstagram@drstevenlin.So,I'vegotalotofarticlesonthere,over150onfunctionaloralhealthtopics.I'vegotaprogramontherecalled"TheHealthyMouthHealthyBodyChallenge"whereparentscangothroughallthesefacts,gothroughsevenmodulesandalongside"TheDentalDiet,"whichisavailablenowandgothroughallofthefactorsthataregoingtoaffecttheirchildandtheirownandthewholefamily'sdentalhealth.Andsothere'swaysthatwecanunderstandthisfromhome.Andsoallofthisinformation,including,youknow,wegothroughthiswholejourneyin"TheDentalDiet,"everythingwetalkedabout,Katie.Andit'ssogreatthatyouheardaboutWestonPrice.Ilovethat.ButI'mreallyexcitedtosharethisinformation.Andifanyone,youknow,wantstoaskaquestion,thenpleasereachouttomeonmywebsiteorsocialmediapages.Katie:Yeah,it'sawesome.Ithinkyouareputtingallthesepuzzlepiecestogetherinsuchagreatway.AndlikeIsaid,I'mreadingthebookandI'malmostdone,andit'samazingsofar.Ihighlyrecommendit.ButIfeellikeitwouldbehardformostpeopletojumpintoreading"NutritionandPhysicalDegeneration,"butyoumakeitverydoableandveryunderstandableandyouareagreatteacherinthatway.Soallthelinksyoumentioned...Youhavesomegreatblogposts,I'mgonnalinktoafewofthoseintheshownotesaswell,wellnessmama.fmforanyonewhowantstofindthat.ButIthankyousomuchforyourtimeandbeinghere.Thisisoneofmyfavoritethingstoresearch,andIfeellikeyou'veputallthepiecestogethersoperfectly.So,thankyousomuch.Steven:Katie,it'ssuchapleasure.Andthankyouforallthegreatworkyou'vedone,it'ssuchanimportantjobtohelpmoms,youknow,reallyrealizehowtheycaninfluencethekid'shealth.Thankyouverymuch.


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Katie:Absolutely.Thankyouforyourwork.Andthankyoutoallofyouforlistening,andIwillseeyounexttimeon"TheHealthyMomsPodcast."

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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