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STATE OF FLORIDA

IN RE: MEETING OF THE GOVERNOR ANDCABINET

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VOLUME 2

CABINET MEMBERS: GOVERNOR RICK SCOTTATTORNEY GENERAL PAM BONDICHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICERJEFF ATWATER

COMMISSIONER OF AGRICULTUREADAM PUTNAM

DATE: TUESDAY, MARCH 29, 2016

LOCATION: CABINET MEETING ROOMLOWER LEVEL, THE CAPITOLTALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA

REPORTED BY: NANCY S. METZKE, RPR, FPRCOURT REPORTER

C & N REPORTERSPOST OFFICE BOX 3093

TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA 32315-3093(850) 697-8314 / FAX (850) 697-8715

[email protected]

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C & N REPORTERS TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA 850-697-8314

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INDEX

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OFFICE OF FINANCIAL REGULATIONBy Commissioner Breakspear 5

DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRSBy Director Prendergast 9

DIVISION OF BOND FINANCEBy Director Watkins 32

STATE BOARD OF ADMINISTRATIONBy Executive Director Williams 35

ADMINISTRATION COMMISSIONBy Director Kruse 59

BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE INTERNALIMPROVEMENT TRUST FUND

By Mr. Clark 93

POWER PLANT SITING BOARDBy Mr. Clark 117

CLEMENCY BOARD CLARIFICATION OFCOMMUTATION OF CARLOS DELGADO 187

INTERVIEW AND APPOINTMENT FORDEPARTMENT OF REVENUEEXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

Robert McKee 215

James Evers 226

James Overton 234

Leon Biegalski 241

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INDEX CONTINUING

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INTERVIEW AND APPOINTMENT FOR THEOFFICE OF INSURANCE REGULATIONCOMMISSIONER

Jeffrey Bragg 258

Bill Hager 280

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P R O C E E D I N G S

(CONTINUING IN SEQUENCE FROM VOLUME 1 WITHOUTOMISSION).

POWER PLANT SITING BOARD

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Let's get started

again. We're going to continue with the

Siting Board agenda.

MR. CLARK: Thank you, Governor. There are

two items on the Siting Board agenda today.

Item Number 1 is submittal of the minutes from

the May 13th, 2014, Siting Board meeting.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Is there a motion on the

item?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Move to approve the

minutes.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Is there a second?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Second.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Any comments or objections?

(NO RESPONSE).

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Hearing none, the motion

carries.

MR. CLARK: Item Number 2 is consideration of

a Proposed Final Order approving Florida

Power & Light Company's request to modify the Power

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Plant Siting Act conditions and certifications for

the Turkey Point Power Plant's Units 3 through 5.

At this time I'd like to turn the podium over

to Mr. Craig Varn, General Counsel for DEP, to

present the details of the Final Order for your

consideration today.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Thanks.

Good afternoon, Craig.

MR. VARN: Good afternoon, Governor, Cabinet.

The item before you today is in your capacity

as the State of Florida Siting Board, which is

final authority to approve permitting, siting,

construction of electrical power plant and

transmission lines.

While, as is pointed out, I am General Counsel

for DEP, today I'm here in an advisory role to the

Board. I do similar items with respect to DEP,

where I advise the Secretary separate from the

underlying proceeding, and that's what I'm trying

to do here today.

In this case, we're dealing with a

modification to a previously authorized

certification. We have drafted a Final Order that

has been submitted and in which we recommend

adoption of the ALJ's Recommended Order with

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two minor modifications which I'll describe in a

little bit.

Now the decision before the Siting Board is

somewhat limited. We are operating -- or you are

operating in a quasi judicial proceeding here, and

so you sit in sort of a review capacity. What that

means is you can't consider evidence that was not

included in the record below. That record has been

provided.

And when considering the Order, you also

cannot reject or modify the findings of fact that

the ALJ made, unless you go through the record in

its entirety and make a determination that those

facts are not supported by competent and

substantial evidence in the record. You cannot

change the ALJ's decision, the Administrative Law

Judge's decision on what evidence to accept or

reject; and you cannot delay or defer this

proceeding unless Florida Power & Light agrees to

such a deferral. There are time limitations in

place here.

So let me touch briefly on what the

modification is. Originally Florida Power & Light

submitted an application that had --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So -- Craig, can I stop you

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for a second?

MR. VARN: Sure.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So the only thing we can do

today is approve or not approve?

MR. VARN: There's one -- you can approve, not

approve, or approve with conditions.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And can I just add to

that, Governor and Cabinet members?

So what that means is let's say there's a

study out there on either side, we can't consider

that. We have to basically stick to the four

corners of this document unless there is competent

and substantial evidence to prove otherwise.

We go with the findings of the ALJ, correct?

MR. VARN: Yes, ma'am. And I don't want to

tell you what you can and cannot talk about;

however, the law does lay out some pretty clear

parameters, and you're exactly right.

The evidence is what was established by the

ALJ, and that is what you're to consider. You may

hear discussions about other items, and I will

continue to advise you that we need to get back to

focusing on the record that's here.

I don't want anybody down the road to be able

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to come in and say, based on a comment on an

ancillary issue, you were somehow biased or you

made your decision on a wrong fact.

So, again, the issue before you is somewhat

narrow, although I'm sure someone will disagree. I

would say it's somewhat narrow, and it's based on

the limited record that was put together at the

administrative hearing by the ALJ.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Because what we're --

this is a very interesting position in which we

sit. To me it's very interesting as Cabinet

members when there is an ALJ involved, so --

MR. VARN: Absolutely. Thank you.

If I may continue, on the modification,

originally Florida Power & Light sought basically

three modifications or three projects. Two of

those modifications were not challenged; and

therefore, pursuant to the Board's rules, the

Department, acting on behalf of the Board, issued a

final order in March of last year.

That approved everything that had been applied

for except the one condition -- or excuse me, the

one modification that we're here for today; and

that is, the authorization to use 14 million

gallons per day of water to supplant the existing

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cooling canal system for purposes of temperature

and salinity. And we'll talk a little bit more

about that as I go forward.

So a little background on the wells. There

will be approximately six of them, up to six;

they're approximately a thousand feet deep; and

they'll go around the perimeter, the north and west

perimeter of the cooling canal system. There

should be a picture in your packet of what it looks

like in case you wanted to know. It's a fairly

large system.

So the administrative hearing, because the

application for modification for the third

modification was challenged, at the request of

Florida Power & Light, we forwarded that

application to the Division of Administrative

Hearings for a proceeding before an Administrative

Law Judge.

In January of this year, the Administrative

Law Judge issued his Recommended Order essentially

recommending approval of the modification with the

addition of one condition that was agreed to by the

parties. That condition requires additional

monitoring of some of the wells -- or of the

proposed production wells.

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Atlantic Civil, Inc., and the Department filed

exceptions to the Recommended Order, which are

addressed in the Draft Final Order in the agenda

item.

The Draft Final Order adopts the ALJ's

recommendation that Florida Power & Light's request

be approved with one modification that does not

affect the outcome. The Draft Final Order also

grants the Department's only exception, and that's

with respect to a terminology issue that also does

not affect the outcome.

With respect to the Recommended Order,

Section 403.059 -- or excuse me, 403.509 provides

the criteria for determining whether or not to

authorize this modification. ACI raised a number

of issues with respect to that request, but it also

raised a number of issues with respect to current

conditions; and I'll talk about that a little bit

later also and the distinction between them.

In addressing the issues raised by ACI,

Atlantic Civil, the ALJ found that the evidence

supported an affirmative determination that

Florida Power & Light had met the criteria under

the Power Plant Siting Act. If you want, I can go

through them. I won't unless you ask though.

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The ALJ also found that ACI did not raise any

issues regarding the issue of need. Now ACI has

clearly rejected that suggestion; nevertheless, the

Administrative Law Judge went through the criteria

and made a determination that Florida Power & Light

had nevertheless provided sufficient information to

meet the criteria -- or to show that it had met all

of the water-use criteria.

I want to point out that I think the most

important thing that we're here talking about is

that the ALJ found the modification would improve

groundwater conditions. And we have, again, the

existing conditions and then the results from

whatever this modification will do. And in the

eyes of the Judge, and I think it's fair to say

that the majority of the testimony was that it

would improve water conditions.

So I'd like to touch now on what our proposed

changes are to the Recommended Order, and this is

something that ACI and I have gone back and forth

with earlier, but I'm sure they'll be more than

happy to explain their position on this.

But in moving forward, the ALJ was required to

find that ACI had standing. That being a

conclusion of law, the Board does have the ability

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to provide some input in that determination.

In Paragraph 63, the ALJ stated that standing

was based upon -- was because the conditions of

certification acknowledge and address the potential

for harm to water resources by the CCS or the

cooling canal system.

Now let me be clear, I agree that ACI has

standing in this issue. That I do not suggest you

find otherwise. What I'm trying to point out,

however, is that when a modification application

comes in, I believe your focus should only be on

the modification and the impacts or those ancillary

issues related to that modification.

My thought in reading this is that the Judge

has basically said, once you're in, anything

related to that permit, in this case Section 10 of

the conditions, are open for discussions. And I

disagree with that. I don't think the case law

supports that. In fact, I'm positive the case law

doesn't support it, and your rules specifically do

not support that. As such, I would suggest that

the standing be limited to those substantial

interests that will be affected by the

modification.

And, again, while I agree that ACI does have

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standing here, I just want to refer you back to

your two rules, 62-17.211, two sections in there

regarding partial issuance of a Final Order, which

I mentioned we already did; and then the

application of administrative res judicata. I

think those go to my point that the modification or

the review is limited to the modification itself.

Therefore, as provided in the draft, we

recommend that Paragraph 63 and 64 be modified

consistent with the Board's rules as reflected in

that draft, and that the Board find that this

substituted con -- this substituted conclusion is

more reasonable than that which was modified.

And finally, I want to touch briefly on the

exceptions that were filed. Generally in Florida,

the Agencies are allowed to file exceptions. If no

exception is filed to a finding, that party is

deemed to either have agreed or at least accepted

them. In this case, ACI filed a total of seven

objections. I'll try to -- or exceptions. I'll

try to combine those. The Department filed one,

and Florida Power & Light filed zero.

The Department's exception, as I mentioned,

dealt with a terminology issue, and we recommended

granting that exception. Again, it has no impact

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on the final decision.

Moving on to ACI's. ACI's first two

exceptions deal with the salinity in the cooling

canal and the impact of the modification on the

hypersaline plume. If you've read through, you've

read a lot about the hypersaline plume that's

currently occurring under the area.

However, despite ACI's suggestion, those

findings by the Judge are supported by competent

and substantial evidence in the record. With

respect to salinity, the ALJ determined that that

recent spike in salinity and the reflective

influence of contributing factors is a complex

subject. And I'm reading in somewhat, but he

wasn't able to come to the conclusion that ACI

wished him to.

Finally, ACI argues that the difference

between the testimony of Florida Power & Light's

witness and ACI's witness were contradictory and

somehow ACI's witness should be accepted. I will

say you simply cannot do that. The case law is

very clear on that. You cannot reweigh the

evidence; that is the purpose of the Administrative

Law Judge.

Further, there's competent and substantial

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evidence to support the ALJ's finding, and it's

irrelevant that there may be opposite competent

substantial evidence. So if you have two -- the

two experts coming in and testifying, both of them

you believe, it is up to the Judge to weigh and

make that decision that that's where you are left.

So I'd say reweighing, as they suggest, would be

improper.

ACI's third and fourth exceptions deal with

the ALJ's finding that ACI did not raise the issue

of need. Again, as I mentioned earlier, the

Judge -- despite his finding that ACI did not

agree, the Judge still went through all of the

elements and made a determination that they did

meet all the criteria, including need being one of

those.

While we give a number of reasons in the draft

as to why that exception is invalid, the simplest

is the ALJ's findings in Paragraph 60 and 61 that

FPL's proposal met all of the applicable water

quality criteria; therefore, even if the issue was

raised, the ALJ found that ACI did not meet its

burden on that issue.

ACI's fifth exception argues that it's

contradicted. This deals with an NPDS permit. I

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would argue here that ACI is confusing existing

conditions with the impacts from the modification.

The fundamental issue here is the modification

should improve water quality; therefore, that would

not make it inconsistent with an existing permit.

So in order to agree with that exception, the Board

would have to simply pretty much refute all of the

evidence that the ALJ found, and I would not

recommend doing that.

ACI takes exception to Paragraph 72 where the

ALJ took I guess exception with the ACI not

proposing a condition under which the proposal

could be approved. ACI has, in a number of

instances, suggested some general thoughts.

Regardless, ACI's argument was that the Judge

improperly placed the burden on ACI.

That, I would suggest, is incorrect. The

case law and the statute placed the burden on

Florida Power & Light to go forward. Once it's

done so, it is up to ACI to refute.

The Administrative Law Judge found that they

did not do so adequately; therefore, in all, as I

mentioned, we recommend adoption with the

modifications as mentioned: One being the

terminology issue; and two being the limitation or

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simply clarification, as I would like to say, with

respect to the issues that are before you, that

being simply the modification, and recommend

approval of the Judge's Recommended Order.

And I'm obviously available for questions.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Why don't we go ahead

and hear -- if it's all right, we'll just go ahead

and hear from the other speaker.

MR. VARN: Yeah, I know we have some others

that are very happy to speak.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Did you have a question

first, Attorney General?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: No, we're going to

hear from ACI I assume?

MR. VARN: Yes, ma'am.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Who are we going

to hear --

MR. CLARK: Next we're going to hear from

Mr. Peter Cunningham with Florida Power & Light,

and then we have two more speakers following that.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Good afternoon.

MR. CUNNINGHAM: Good afternoon.

I am Peter Cunningham with Hopping Green &

Sams representing FPL. Also here today, in case

there are questions, are Mike Soul, who is Vice

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President for Governmental Affairs for FPL; and

Steve Scroggs, who is the Senior Project Director

responsible for this project.

I'll be brief. FPL supports the Draft Final

Order that's now before you. We agree with the

sound legal reasoning on which it's based.

This case is about FPL's proposal to freshen

the Turkey Point Cooling Canal System with brackish

water from the Floridan wells; it's about a

thousand feet deep wells.

The Administrative Law Judge who heard all the

evidence recommended that you approve this proposal

because it meets all the standards, all the

applicable standards of all of the agencies,

including the South Florida Water Management

District; and that it meets the criteria under the

Power Plant Siting Act.

He also found specifically that this proposal

would eliminate the source of hypersaline water,

would improve groundwater conditions, and would

slow the migration of saline water westward.

FPL joins the DEP, the South Florida Water

Management District, and the Administrative Law

Judge in recommending approval of this item. We

ask that you adopt the Final Order to let this good

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project go forward.

Thank you. I'd be happy to try to answer any

questions.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Does anybody have any

questions?

(NO RESPONSE).

GOVERNOR SCOTT: We're good right now. We

might have some later.

MR. CUNNINGHAM: Thank you.

MR. CLARK: Next up is Mr. Andy Bowman

representing ACI.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Good afternoon.

MR. BOWMAN: Good afternoon, Governor, members

of the Cabinet.

My name is Andy Bowman. I'm an attorney

representing Atlantic Civil who was the Intervenor

in this proceeding.

I was not here for the Cabinet Aides' meeting,

but I'm here today to talk about the

Recommended Order and the exceptions that have been

placed in front of you.

Just a brief background on this. It was

inferred to you that this is a large feature, this

cooling canal system. That is putting it mildly.

The cooling canal system is larger than some

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municipalities in the State of Florida. It's

enormous; it looks like a giant radiator. And it

is massive in size, and in effect is the only one

operating in the nation.

It's cut into the porous fractured limerock

that sits atop the Biscayne Aquifer, which itself

is a very porous fractured aquifer. Water moves

very easily through this aquifer, both up and down

and horizontally. And the cooling canal system is

directly connected to this aquifer.

By design, huge pumps draw water in from the

cooling canal into the power plant to cool the

power plant. That happens on the east side. By

design, the cooling canal draws water in from

Biscayne Bay and from immediately beneath the

cooling canal system next to Biscayne Bay,

saltwater. It produces steam.

At the point where it's drawn in, it's a

vortex, the water level is a foot below sea level,

and this is all in the record. We had multiple

witnesses testify at length about how this system

operates.

So it draws saltwater into the system, runs it

through the plants, produces steam, and what comes

out on the northwest portion of the cooling canal

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system is very hot and even more salty because,

of course, when the steam is gone, the salt doesn't

go anywhere, it stays in the water. It's blasted

out into the cooling canal system on the northwest

portion, and it's blasted out in such volumes that

at the northwest portion of the cooling canal

system, the water is a foot -- or is almost

two feet above sea level.

Now that's important because that's how the

system works; water flows downhill. So it goes

from the output on the northwest portion through

this little labyrinth -- or this large labyrinth

and then back in the other side.

Now the water piles up here by design because

that's what pushes it through the system, and yet

the proposal in front of you, what we find is that

water seeps into the cooling canal system from

Biscayne Bay and from the aquifer, saltwater, at

the point where the water is lowest where it's

being pulled into the plant; and it seeps out of

the cooling canal system through the bottom on the

north and the west side where the water is highest.

And this is the exact location where we're

going to add 14 million gallons a day of water,

where the water is already the highest, and where

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it already seeps out of the bottom of the cooling

canal system at its -- at the north and the western

side of the cooling canal system. So you're going

to add to that piling of water. You're going to

add to that seepage. That was testified to. The

seepage will increase.

The cooling canal system currently discharges

three million pounds of salt a day into the

aquifer. That's in the record. The seepage from

the cooling canal system, principally in the

northwest portion of it, is over 16 million gallons

of water a day, carrying three million pounds of

salt with it.

Now anybody here could take a bucket of brine

and fill it -- or a bucket and fill it up halfway

with brine, pour it into the ground, you've poured

that brine into the ground.

You could take that same bucket, you could

have it filled halfway up with the brine and add

some fresh water to it, pour it into the ground,

it's the same salt, it's just accompanied by more

water. It does nothing to change the operation.

It does nothing to change -- or the impact in that

regard.

So we have a current system where we have

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three million pounds of salt a day going with

16 million gallons of water a day into the aquifer,

and it moves very easily through this aquifer, it's

heavy; it sinks to the bottom. Think of a lava

lamp. And it goes down to the bottom of the

aquifer and sits there, it's dense, and it spreads.

Now this salt, we had a huge amount of

evidence to deal with the salt and the fact that

it, in fact, was FPL's saltwater. The Judge, in

the order that's in front of you, found that it's

FPL's saltwater. It's FPL's saltwater because it's

saltier than seawater, so where the heck else does

it come from? And it's laced with tritium which is

an ionized form of hydrogen. Tritium is what makes

your watch dial glow at night when you need to see

what time it is. It's a naturally occurring

isotope that occurs in greater levels as a result

of being run through a nuclear reactor.

So the witnesses from the Water Management

District and DEP both testified that finding the

tritium in the water, looking at the salinity in

the water, the tritium was a fingerprint. This was

FPL's water. And this FPL water with tritium of,

in some cases, hundreds, but at the very least,

20 times the background level, was delineated in

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the evidence to be in an area approximately

25 square miles in size; extending four miles to

the west; extending to the north underneath the

Homestead International Speedway.

It's in all the maps, it's in all the

evidence. It was delineated out by multiple

witnesses. We have a witness that literally

drilled wells for the City of Homestead and

watched them turn salty one after another as this

advanced.

Now the ALJ found that despite all of this, it

was Florida Power & Light's water. And the

Administrative Law Judge further found that the

water from the cooling canal system had moved four

to five miles west of the cooling canal and was and

continues and will continue to violate State water

standards, it's in the order. It will violate

State minimum groundwater quality standards at the

very least. What us former DEP employees used to

call the "free-from standards"; that groundwater is

supposed to be free from discharges containing

pollutants that impair other's reasonable use of

adjacent groundwater.

This water, as it moves, pushes the natural

saltwater that was supposed to be four miles back

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west under the cooling canal out in front of it,

and you watch in the monitoring wells as one after

another they have tripped and gone from fresh to

salt in a row. The latest one to go salty went

salty in 2013; it's in the record. It's one

quarter of a mile from my client's property.

My client is a legal existing user of water.

He holds water-use permits and DEP permits to

conduct mining and agriculture on his property, and

his damage -- his business will be severely

damaged; and his rights under his permits will be

severely impaired, if not destroyed, if he is

overrun by saltwater.

The Administrative Law Judge also found that

the cooling canal system is the primary cause of

the movement of saltwater and the saltwater front

to the west in southeastern Miami-Dade County, and

that in the remainder of Miami-Dade County, the

saltwater front is stable, except here. That is

all in the Recommended Order, and it was all found

by the Judge.

So the first question was: What is before you

today? A Recommended Order on a modification to

add 14 million gallons of water a day to this

system, added at the spot where the water is

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already the highest, the pressure is already the

greatest pushing down, creating the most seepage.

And 14 millions gallons a day is not insignificant.

Fourteen million gallons a day is 5.11 billion

gallons of water a year. That is in the record

that's before you, roughly equivalent to replacing

all of the water in the cooling canal system on a

yearly basis.

So you're going to fill the cooling canal

system up, you're going to flush it out and fill it

up. Well, where is it flushing out to? It's

flushing out to the aquifer.

All of the witnesses testified that the water

from the cooling canal system, with this

modification, would have to go down. It has to go

somewhere. It would have to go down. It would

encounter the existing plume of contaminants from

the cooling canal system and it would press down on

that plume -- like pressing your hand down on a

balloon and the balloon bulges up on the sides and

pushes outward -- and the water would move out and

away from the cooling canal system.

This was testified to by

Mr. Jefferson Giddings of the South Florida Water

Management District; it was testified to by ACI's

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own witnesses, and it is in the record.

And the end result of this is the plume, the

existing contaminant plume is displaced out and

away from the cooling canal system.

So Florida Power & Light has solved their

problem, their water is fresher, their water is

cooler and runs the plants better; and they've

just pushed the problem outward and away from

them.

We took issue in one of our exceptions with

the finding of fact that the plume would shrink and

disperse. And the reason for that exception was

actually that it was a twist or it was a poor

wording of the result of the evidence. Because the

evidence actually shows the models run by Florida

Power & Light and by the South Florida Water

Management District of the results of this

modification go out to 2040, so 25 years.

And every single witness testified that at

2040, 25 years out, the saltwater is still moving

and the plume is still spreading. So I don't know

how we get to the shrink and disappear.

Someone eventually testified that, yes,

eventually it will shrink and disappear. I don't

know if that's 50 years; I don't know if it's a

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hundred years; I don't know if it's 30 years or

40 years. But we do know from the evidence that

was in front of the Judge that at the end of

25 years with the solution, the plume is being

pushed and spread and pushing the saltwater out in

front of it, and it continues to move. In fact,

Mr. Giddings testified that under either scenario

it will not stop until it encounters the higher

water levels and heads of the Everglades.

So with all of that in mind, the

Administrative Law Judge gave this Board a

recommendation, and the last page of the Judge's

order is rather telling.

Paragraph 74 of the order says that:

Respondents, being DEP and the Water Management

District, are probably correct that in this

certification proceeding it is sufficient for the

Siting Board's approval of FPL's proposed

modification that the modification would result in

an improvement over current groundwater conditions;

however, it is appropriate to inform the

Siting Board that the operation of the Turkey Point

Power Plant, as authorized by the Siting Board

under conditions of certification, has caused harm

to water resources because of the effects of the

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cooling canal system and the modification requested

by FPL will not prevent further harm from

occurring.

The same Administrative Law Judge also ruled

early in the case, and it's part of the record,

it's the Judge's ruling on November 13, 2015, when

our standing in this case was yet again questioned

by Florida Power & Light, that -- and I'm quoting

the ALJ's November 13, 2015, order: The

Siting Board has authority to determine under what

conditions the certified facilities will be

operated. The proposed modification is directly

related to ACI's alleged harm. ACI's allegations

are sufficient to establish its standing in this

modification proceeding to request that the

Siting Board impose conditions that will prevent

the harm.

Now Mr. Varn is correct in citing to the

well-established body of administrative case law

that a modification of a permit is limited to the

modifications. That comes from what we called the

Mirasol Wars, a series of cases down in Naples; and

I believe the one that was cited here was from the

G. L. Holmes property. Saturnia I believe was the

name of that property.

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And I was actually present at the Saturnia

trial. Actually Mr. Cunningham, one of his

partners, tried that case. And it's interesting

because in that case the Saturnia project had a

permit. They modified their water control system,

and as a result, they had to defend the entire

water control system again, because they had

changed how one part of it would operate.

What you have here is a cooling canal system

that is an integral part of the power plant that

this Board licenses, and you have a modification in

front of you that has been challenged by ACI; and

this modification makes a permanent change in the

operation of this cooling canal system to allow it

to function and determine how it functions and how

it integrates and supports the certified power

plant.

The change is permanent. The power plant, it

was testified in the hearing, can't operate without

the cooling canal system. The cooling canal

system's dysfunction even threatened the plant's

shutdown at one point during the process.

The ALJ's order states that the cooling canal

system is -- the operation of it is being changed.

You, as a Board, looking at a modification on how

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this system is going to be operated in the future

-- and bear in mind, for 40 years this system has

never used a permanent supplemental supply of water

until now.

The ALJ has already ruled that you, in

determining how to modify this license, to change

the operation of the cooling canal system, can

impose conditions upon the modification to address

the harm. The harm is caused now. The harm is

caused under the modification, it's just from a

different physical or mechanical source. Instead

of adding the hypersaline water, you're just

spreading it by putting somewhat less saline water

on top of it, but the harm is the harm. It's like

being shot by a different caliber bullet if you're

ACI.

The Administrative Law Judge found that we had

standing; Mr. Varn hasn't disputed that. But we

have standing to attack the modification. We have

standing to ask you to place reasonable conditions

upon the modification, and I do take issue with

part of DEP's administrative -- or I'm sorry,

Final Order.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Mr. Bowman, can I interrupt

you for a second?

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MR. BOWMAN: Yes.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: What do you want?

MR. BOWMAN: What do I want? Thank you,

Governor, if we will just cut to the chase.

We would like the Siting Board to approve

conditions, along with this modification, that stop

the saltwater front -- that require the saltwater

front to be stopped before it reaches our client's

property, before it does any more damage.

That's what we've asked for. That's what

we've continually asked for from FPL; that's what

we've continually asked for from DEP and the Water

Management District.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Why didn't you --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: But --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Excuse me a second.

Why didn't you -- why didn't the

Administrative Law Judge agree with you?

MR. BOWMAN: In which term?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So I assume you asked for

something from the Administrative Law Judge, right?

MR. BOWMAN: Yeah, I guess -- I guess that's

a --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Why didn't they -- why didn't

they give it to you?

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MR. BOWMAN: And that's a very good question

because we took issue with that; it's Exception 7.

And the Administrative Law Judge, I -- you know, I

have a great deal of respect for the Administrative

Law Judge, I've known him a long time, and I just

disagree frankly with this -- with this point. And

the point is that the burden is on us to determine

whether or not the permit should be denied.

Once they provide --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: By law.

MR. BOWMAN: -- a prima facie case, the burden

shifts to the challenger. I agree with that law.

The burden, however, is not on me to come up with

modifications to a permit. The permit -- the

burden is on me to either determine that they

haven't proven their point or they have.

I have proven my point. My point was that

this system is violating water quality standards,

it has created a massive saltwater plume, it is

damaging groundwater and groundwater resources, and

that this modification will perpetuate that. And

from that -- I did prove that point, and that's why

the Administrative Law Judge put that in there and

wanted you advised.

But that's not really my role. It would

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almost be disrespectful for me. That's -- to be

perfectly honest, that's this body's role, with the

DEP's assistance, to place conditions in the

permit. It's not the challenger's job to write

FPL's permit for them. So I kind of disagree on

that point.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: I think the Attorney General

had a question.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Yeah, I do.

And, Mr. Bowman --

MR. BOWMAN: Yes.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- you're a very

great advocate for your client, and everything

you've said to us today, you've argued this in

front of the ALJ, correct?

MR. BOWMAN: Correct.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: You said all of this

is in the record?

MR. BOWMAN: It is.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Multiple witnesses

were presented from you and from the other side,

correct?

MR. BOWMAN: Yes, ma'am.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Okay. Governor, may

I ask Craig a question?

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GOVERNOR SCOTT: Sure.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Craig, is it our role

to weigh the evidence again and basically

relitigate this matter?

MR. VARN: No, ma'am, I would say it is not,

and that's somewhat to my point that that is not

your job; that you're bound by the facts as they

were laid out by the ALJ. You have very limited

discretion in those unless you review the entire

record, and I will submit that the evidence that he

is trying to contradict is supported -- the

findings are supported by other competent and

substantial -- I'm not saying that he's wrong and

that -- his experts put on testimony that was

competent and substantial; but I will say that

whatever he's saying, there were other experts who

said the opposite.

The Judge made the determination -- for

whatever reason took one over the other, and that's

what you're stuck with, or that's what you have

before you.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Okay.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Let me just make sure. Let's

go back and tell us exactly what our --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Right. We would have

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to -- my question is: So we would -- and I think

Mr. Bowman is nodding in agreement.

MR. BOWMAN: I believe that's the standard.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: We would have to find

that the other -- and, Mr. Bowman, I think you

agree, our role is very limited here.

And, Craig, we would have to find that there

is no competent and substantial evidence presented

by the other side, and basically ignore the

findings, the very detailed findings of the ALJ,

correct.

MR. VARN: You said it perfectly, yes, ma'am.


ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Thank you.

MR. VARN: I can sit down now. Thank you.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. And I interrupted you,

so I just want to make sure you --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I'm sorry,

Mr. Bowman.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: You finish so --

MR. BOWMAN: Are you referring --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: No, no, Mr. Bowman, you

finish because if we have any more questions -- I

interrupted you.

MR. BOWMAN: No, and thank you, Governor and

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Attorney General. You're exactly right, you're not

to be reweighing evidence.

The Judge saw the demeanor of the witnesses,

chose who to believe and who not to believe, which

evidence he found more compelling. And truthfully,

almost all of the items that I recited to you are

in his order: He did find that they are the cause

of saltwater intrusion -- I'm sorry, he said the

primary cause; he did find that they are violating

water quality standards; he did find that the harm

will continue.

These are all in the order. And what he said

was -- and really the tenor of the order is, he put

that in there to let this body know that while he

gave somewhat of a lukewarm -- and I have to say,

in 20 years of doing administrative cases, I've not

seen as lukewarm an endorsement of a permit where

it at least appears that they've met their burden.

But he did, he went there; but he wanted this Board

advised that they have the role and they have the

right to impose additional conditions upon this

modification.

That is what we have been asking for. And in

response to the Governor, my only issue was that

it's not my role to come up with the solutions,

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it's your role. I shouldn't be doing your job,

Governor, and the rest of the Cabinet.

On the last point on the standing, I would

just point out that Mr. Varn wanted to change

Findings of Fact 63 and 64, and I would just

respectfully suggest that standing is one of those

things where it's the role of the Administrative

Law Judge, it's the application of general

principles of administrative law. It's not within

the particular or peculiar expertise of the

Department or, respectfully, the Siting Board.

It's not a technical issue within your body of

expertise. It's a general application of law.

The Judge's conclusions of law in 63 and 64,

for example, you don't have that ability to

overturn those because they're not in your, quote,

substantive jurisdiction under Chapter 120 of the

Administrative Procedures Act. And we believe that

the changing of the standing standard, as requested

here, would invade the province of the

Administrative Law Judge.

So we're here today asking that if you are

going to approve this, that you approve this with

conditions to actually halt the damage and the harm

and the violations that are occurring as a result

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of the operation of the system that you are

changing and modifying through this approval.

Thank you.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Before you leave, does

anybody have any questions for Mr. Bowman? Do you,

Commissioner?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: I do.

The specific condition that we're considering

is Condition 12, right?


COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: And that relates to the

withdrawal of water from the upper Floridan?

MR. BOWMAN: Yes.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Your free-from

standard -- I'd never heard that before so it's --

every now and then as I listen in this job, every

now and then -- every now and then I'll think maybe

I wish I'd gone to law school, and then days like

today cure me of that feeling.

MR. BOWMAN: Me, too.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: But the free-from

principle, isn't that related to your other

proceeding that you have going on in DOAH on

Condition 10?

MR. BOWMAN: That's a good point. There is a

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separate proceeding on the administrative order

that the Department entered -- which the Judge

actually has recommended be invalidated because it

doesn't effectively constitutes I think -- what did

he say -- a reasonable exercise of enforcement

discretion.

What's happening here though is that the

administrative order case dealt with an

administrative order that's not part of this

license, it's not part of this permit that is

approved by this body. We initially argued that it

should be, and we lost that, so the two cases are

being handled separately.

But the permit is an entire permit, so

Section 10 deals with the cooling canal system.

Section 12 deals with the Water Management District

permits for pulling water out of the ground. You

have to read your permit as a whole. Just because

someone elects to put the words for the

modification in Section 12 of your license that

you've issued to Florida Power & Light does not

mean that you can't look at what the effect of that

modification is in Section 10. And Section 10

deals with the cooling canals and deals with the

groundwater.

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COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Well, I agree that it

deals with that, but I thought we had to limit our

consideration to the --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: We do.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- 12th condition.

MR. BOWMAN: Well, no, you have to limit your

consideration to the effects of the modification.

And the modification, in its simplest form, is the

addition of 14 million gallons of water a day to

the cooling canal system, changing the operation of

the cooling canal system.

Where it appears in the license is sort of

a -- it's a form-over-substance kind of thing,

respectfully. It's -- you could put it in -- it

goes there because that provision deals with

everything that comes from the Water Management

District. There's another section where everything

that comes from a different department goes in that

Roman Numeral.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: You said that the harm

to ACI is that this modification, if approved,

perpetuates the migration of the plume?

MR. BOWMAN: Yes.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Do you believe that it

accelerates the migration of the plume?

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MR. BOWMAN: No. The plume continues to move

but it moves at a somewhat reduced rate, and I

believe that was where the Judge came up with the,

quote, improves the condition but wanted the

Siting Board advised.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: So, so --

MR. BOWMAN: Instead of going 400 feet a year,

it goes 250 feet a year.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: So this does have an

ameliorative effect on the existing problem that

admittedly is a big problem? And I'm going to get

to that with DEP in a minute. But you would

stipulate that this withdrawal would slow the

migration of the plume?

MR. BOWMAN: I, I -- that was what the

evidence at the hearing was. I'm bound by the

evidence.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Okay. Thank you.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Does anybody have any other

questions for Mr. Bowman?

MR. BOWMAN: Any other questions?

(NO RESPONSE).

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Thank you.

MR. BOWMAN: Thank you very much.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Thanks.

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MR. CLARK: Our next speaker is

Mr. Steve Teresi with ACI also.


MR. TERESI: Good afternoon, Governor,

Cabinet members.

A good deal of the questions have been asked

and answered, so I'm going to present my position

here in a little bit different format, but I'm

going to answer, hopefully, the Governor's question

at the end.

Again, my name is Steve Teresi, and I'm

President of Atlantic Civil. I very much thank you

for the opportunity to share my little story this

morning because the decision you make here today

affects me and my livelihood. And if you'll

indulge me, I should be able to compress my 12-year

struggle into about 4 or 5 minutes.

My family and I have been residents of

southeast Miami-Dade County long before there was a

nuclear power plant and the Turkey Point Cooling

Canal System. We are just west of the Turkey Point

Cooling Canal System, and we have been farming this

property since the 1920s and have been in the

mining business since as late as the 1960s.

Along the way, our business grew and

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diversified in today Atlantic Civil, is also in the

rock mining business, the beach-compatible sand

business, and we are in the castor oil agriculture

business. We supply beach-compatible sand to

Miami-Dade County, Broward County, and

Monroe County, and provide that for the tourist

industry.

We also provide FDOT grade limerock for use on

our road and infrastructure and have been issued by

the permits -- have been issued permits by the

federal, state, and local agencies for these

activities. These permits took me 12 years to

acquire.

Today I come before you as a private citizen

and a property holder, a business person and a

concerned citizen of Miami-Dade County over the

very troubling issues at FPL's Turkey Point Cooling

Canal System.

While these issues are just appearing in the

papers, I have been attempting to bring light to

this massive hypersaline plume causing saltwater

intrusion into the Biscayne Bay aquifer since 2004

when I was asked to prove that my mine would not

cause saltwater intrusion as part of my permit

application. I not only found out that the mine

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wouldn't cause saltwater intrusion, I found out

what was: The cooling canal system.

Over the last 12 years, I've worked with FPL,

DEP, the Water Management District, and Miami-Dade

County to address the significant loss of aquifer

and to protect my property and my business all the

while the plume has continued to march ever

landward. In the '80s, the plume was just outside

the cooling canal system. In the '90s and 2000s,

it had traveled three and a half miles west towards

my property. And all of this was prior to the

unit's upgrade approval in 2008.

This, as we know now, exacerbated the

situation by orders of magnitude as you are now

seeing. It is now four and a half miles west of

the cooling canal system and is likely the cause of

the request of water before you.

Today, eight years later, the saltwater/fresh

water interface has been documented at TPGW-7, less

than 1,250 feet from my ag property. Under my

permits for mining, if the salt/fresh water

interface reaches my mining property, I will be

forced to shut down all of my mining operations.

Every time I take samples from our monitoring

wells, I'm sick thinking of: My results are going

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to come back demonstrating that the chloride has

finally hit my sentinel wells. If my limerock mine

becomes contaminated with salt concentrations, I

lose the saleability and integrity of my mine that

I have been there -- that our family has been there

for 90 years.

With the South Florida Water Management

District study of 2008, they concluded five years

later, and three years later than expected, FPL's

data shows that there's a 25 square mile tritium

and salt plume in the aquifer on the west side of

the cooling canal alone and moving rapidly. In two

closely related actions, I felt forced to bring --

in light of the State's failure to act, an

Administrative Law Judge definitively found exactly

what we've been saying for years.

While the Judge found that FPL probably does

need this water, he doesn't think that DEP has

adequately studied or understood the underlying

questions for the need of this water or the

downstream consequences or all of the other

non-permitted actions in this hearing that would

have a profound effect on your decision today. FPL

desperately wants for you to find -- to look only

at one small piece of the pie at any given time but

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never the big picture, because the big picture is a

big problem.

The CCS is causing harm to the water and

resources of the State, to private property rights;

and even after this modification, it will steadily

convert drinking water for six to 12,000 people

each and every day into an undrinkable water. What

you don't see in this memo is that even with this

saltwater, FPL, DEP, and the Water Management

experts at the hearing unanimously said that the

salt front would move west for at least 25 more

years and consume at least one acre of aquifer a

day.

This was FPL's total solution for their

pollution. Coupled with the AO, it was a license

to continue polluting outside the CCS for 25 more

years. You see, Judge Cantor found it necessary to

inform you as the Siting Board whose job it is to

ensure the power plants in Florida are not causing

harm that nothing -- this modification stops the

harm.

For FPL to say it's better than doing nothing

cannot be an excuse when it has now been proven

that they are the cause, and the problem is worse

than anyone could have expected. In any other

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permitting context, that excuse would be

inexcusable.

In isolation and based on this DEP memo, I

might have approved this request as well. But

based on the big picture, Judge Cantor's rulings in

the hearing of eight days, and testimony, and the

administrative order, I wouldn't grant this in a

million years.

To the Governor's point, what I'm asking is

that you, as the Siting Board who have the

authority to add conditions to FPL's siting

license, even if you're inclined to give them the

water, require FPL to fully remediate the pollution

plume that they have created in the aquifer and to

stop this plume from infringing upon my existing

legal use of water, my business and property

rights, and the drinking water for south Florida,

Biscayne Bay, and the Florida Keys.

Thank you very much.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Thank you.

Does anybody have any questions?

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ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And, sir, you said

eight days of testimony, correct, in front of

Judge Cantor, the Administrative Law Judge? And

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I --

MR. TERESI: Over two hearings.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And I assume you gave

this compelling testimony to him as well, and you

said in addition more testimony?

MR. TERESI: Yes.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And you do understand

though that we did not hear those eight days of

testimony and that it is our job to review this

document?

MR. TERESI: It is, but I believe what

Mr. Bowman said was very simple to our point: Even

if you provide them the water, it does not mean

that you cannot add conditions to prevent the harm

of the existing plume as part of this condition,

which is what the ask is here today: Stop the

plume. It's only 1,250 feet from my property, and

it's moving, you know, at whatever feet per year it

is. This alone will not stop the problem, but you

can add a modification to correct it.


GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Does anybody have

any questions?

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MR. TERESI: Thank you.

MR. CLARK: Our final speaker is Mr. Mike Sole

with Florida Power & Light.


MR. SOLE: Good afternoon, Governor,

Cabinet members, I'll try to be brief. I don't

intend to try to relitigate this issue, but I do

want to put some context to this issue.

This is but one effort that FPL is pursuing to

address the hypersaline plume at Turkey Point.

It's very clear by the record that the Judge found

that this improves the conditions, it meets all the

requirements for issuance and approval; and as part

of this, it will reduce the rate of saltwater

intrusion associated with the cooling canal

systems.

There are several other venues in which FPL

are working transparently with local government,

state government, and even federal governments to

identify measures to also eliminate our

contribution to saltwater intrusion; but because

those are not part of this record, I do not want to

go into detail at this time. But to be clear, FPL

is committed to eliminating its source contribution

to that saltwater intrusion.

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I'll be glad to answer any questions.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: CFO.

CFO ATWATER: Mr. Sole. Thank you.

I appreciate -- and like the Commissioner

said, I'm no attorney here, all right? So if I

wander into an area we can't talk about, if someone

can raise a hand.

But you've mentioned that you're working on

several other initiatives, but because they're not

an ingredient to the present order, your desire is

not to go too deep into that conversation, yet --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Can we stop you for a second?

CFO ATWATER: Yes.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Is the reason is that we

can't take -- can't consider those issues --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Correct.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: -- when we make our

determination today?

MR. VARN: That's exactly right.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Correct.

CFO ATWATER: Let me ask it this way then:

It's been said several times that we can input into

this additional conditions. Is that an inaccurate

statement?

MR. VARN: I would say that to the extent you

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could -- yes, you can put conditions, that the

statute is very clear; however, I would suggest

that those -- any conditions would be limited to

the modification that is before you, which is the

use of 14 mgd.

What I understand the suggestions to be, and

they aren't very clear on what those modifications

would be, but would be more towards actual

operations that are existing whether or not you

authorize this modification. In other words, take

away the modification, what they're complaining

about primarily -- there are other things; I'm not

saying it's only -- is about the activities that

occur today.

The ALJ's finding was that they met the

criteria and it would improve water quality, so

this seems to be a benefit. What conditions you

would put on that benefit, I'm not sure; and I'll

be quite frank, I thought about this to try to

provide items for you to think about, and I just

simply don't know what you can condition the use of

the 14 mgd. If anything, it would be a negative.

And so I obviously would not recommend that.

And so I'm limited in what I can advise you

because I just -- my mind could not come up with

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what conditions that you would look for.

CFO ATWATER: Well, don't go away yet.

MR. VARN: Okay.

CFO ATWATER: Again, I'm not the attorney

here, okay, but I think I just want to understand.

When I'm looking at a specific sentence in the

order that no party believes -- and I take it that

means no party -- that the proposal is going to

halt westward movement. You have someone who has

just presented, and I think in a -- probably as

respectful a manner as I can think of after the

time and 90 years of family activity on that

property, respectfully saying to us: This thing is

headed my way.

And so I would be curious, again, not subject

to -- I understand a possible condition to this,

but does anybody care that it's moving that

direction? And I'm asking --

MR. VARN: Absolutely. From the Department --

CFO ATWATER: Yeah.

MR. VARN: -- again, the Department, yes,

we've had internal discussions about that. There

are a number of other things that are going on,

which you are free to talk about; however, in

making your decision, those should never -- those

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should neither favor nor rule against your

decisionmaking. So I want to bring you back into

the record that you have. I would never tell you

you cannot ask a question, but the law is very

specific.

CFO ATWATER: And I appreciate that.

MR. SOLE: So, CFO, can I --

CFO ATWATER: Yeah, please, but here's the

point, okay --

MR. SOLE: Yes, sir.

CFO ATWATER: -- is that we -- I understand

you're trying to keep me inside the box, okay?

MR. VARN: Right.

CFO ATWATER: But I think you deserve to

inform those of us sitting here in this capacity,

at least me, that my ignorance doesn't constrain me

to the box, okay? If I were an attorney, maybe I'd

feel constrained here today, but I'm not.

So it would at least be helpful, from the

perspective of the corporation, to say something

more than we've got a few other things in the

hopper but we just don't want to talk about them

today when somebody else is making just a -- I

think a reasoned point: Could there be conditions?

And then someone else says, well, no conditions

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that could apply to the State's conversation.

So why don't you just help me a little bit

with that?

MR. SOLE: Thank you, CFO, I appreciate it,

and I appreciate the question.

So as it relates to this issue, first job,

Number 1, is eliminate the continued contribution

to the saltwater intrusion. The 14 million gallons

a day proposal that we have put forward, and

required a modification to the conditions of

certification, does that very thing. The Judge

agreed that it does that very thing. The Judge

also agrees that it slows the rate of saltwater

intrusion. So that's what's in front of us today.

Other actions that are more than just what's

in the hopper include a consent agreement with

Miami-Dade County that actually has FPL removing

the hypersaline plume and an obligation -- legal

obligation to bring that hypersaline plume back to

our property boundaries. Those are not in the

hopper, they're commitments; they're established;

they're legally binding with us and Miami-Dade; and

but for final resolution of other enforcement that

DEP has yet to finish, I expect additional binding

obligations with the Florida Department of

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Environmental Protection.

Does that give you the meat on the bone that

you're looking for?

CFO ATWATER: That's very helpful. If

Mr. Varn could come back, or someone who might

speak for DEP could come back up, I would

appreciate that.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Will you just confirm

something, Mike or Craig?

MR. SOLE: I'm sorry?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Either one of you. Is

anybody involved saying that if we had a choice,

just put no more water in this, are we better off

or worse off?

MR. SOLE: Much worse off.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Does anybody disagree? Does

anybody in the room disagree?

(NEGATIVE INDICATIONS).

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. All right. I just

want to make sure.

MR. SOLE: Yes, sir.

CFO ATWATER: Mr. Varn, would you acknowledge

that those activities are underway and that you all

are --

MR. VARN: I will, but I would ask that you

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assume that they are not going to take place for

purposes of your decisionmaking here today

because --

CFO ATWATER: I'm fine with that, I'm fine

with that.

MR. VARN: Okay.

CFO ATWATER: I'm just --

MR. VARN: Then, yes, the things --

CFO ATWATER: -- asking. You said I could ask

any question. I've asked a question.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Can I just offer -- can I ask

a question real quick?

MR. VARN: Yes.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So is this appealable, what

we're doing right now?

MR. VARN: Everything is appealable, as you

know.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: To -- how would this be

appealed?

MR. VARN: I would say that consideration of

more information would not constitute reversible

error as long as you are very clear in your

decisionmaking that it's limited to the record that

was presented before you. So I would, again,

err -- you're better off erring on the side of

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caution and not getting into this while you are

debating these issues.

If I had to give you advice, I would suggest

that you end the discussion on this topic. If you

want to ask additional questions after you've made

a decision, then obviously it could not go into,

but I would not -- I'd be very -- you know, I can't

answer your question as to the appeal because I'm

not an appellate attorney and I never will be, but

I will say that the less you go outside of the

record, the much better you will be.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Are you okay right

now?

CFO ATWATER: Yeah.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Attorney General, you

want to --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And, CFO, I think as

a compassionate human being, I would hope there is

not a person in the State of Florida that does not

feel for the property owner right now, and we

listen -- I see FPL nodding in agreement.

And, sir, we listened to your -- I mean we

listened to your very moving testimony; however,

legally -- now the lawyer in me is stepping in --

legally I think everyone in this -- all the lawyers

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in this room agree that we are bound by this

document.

And we're headed into dangerous territory if

we start -- and because you are the property owner

and we do care, we let you continue further, but we

are bound by what is in this order unless we find

complete lack of substantial -- I'm sorry,

competent and substantial evidence.

And from what we're hearing, that's what --

these hearings -- this is such an interesting

dynamic what we do here, but it's not our job to

relitigate this. And, you know, days and days of

testimony on both sides were heard.

And I think what you're saying, CFO, is we're

all hoping that there are -- and we're hearing that

there are additional options to help this property

owner out there, but we have to follow

Judge Cantor's ruling without -- unless we find

lack of competent and substantial evidence.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. So do -- are there any

other speakers?

MR. CLARK: No, sir.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. All right. There --

does anybody have any other questions for any of

the speakers?

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ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: No.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: I do.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay, Commissioner.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: For DEP.

The 14 mgd --

MR. VARN: Yes, sir.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- that was approved by

Water Management?

MR. VARN: The four -- well, technically it's

a -- they are the entity that handles it. Again,

it's the Siting Board that approved it, but they

are the ones that had the primary input in that

decision-making process.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Yeah, the science behind

whether the aquifer can withstand 14 mgd --

MR. VARN: Correct.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- withdrawal, the

Water Management determined that it could handle

it?

MR. VARN: Right. And one clarification here,

the 14 mgd is coming from the upper Floridan. A

lot of the impacts that we're talking about are

occurring in the Biscayne. There's a separation

between the two, so the --

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COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: I get that.

MR. VARN: Okay. I'll shut up.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: And it is for up to

14 mgd, correct?

MR. VARN: Correct.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: So in a rainy season,

you can't -- you don't multiply 14 times 365. This

is like a citrus grower who needs maximum

protection for one freeze night a year, right?

MR. VARN: Yes, sir.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: It would be up to

14 mgd. It's not 6,000 houses every day of the

year; is that correct or incorrect?

MR. VARN: That is correct.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: And am I allowed to ask

that question or not?

MR. VARN: That is in the record. I will

point out, however, the permit does allow that full

allocation without differentiation. Now there is a

requirement --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: That's correct.

MR. VARN: Okay.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: But it is -- the purpose

of the withdrawal is to lower the salinity of the

cooling canal system, correct?

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MR. VARN: Right.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Okay. So if you had

summer rains presumably, you would need less

withdrawals from the aquifer to reduce the

salinity, right?

MR. VARN: Correct.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: And the cooling canal

system was designed as required by law, right, by

the NRC, by the State? I mean the attorney for ACI

said it was by design.

MR. VARN: I'm not sure -- yes, it was

designed to some standard. I know it did have to

do with a historical issue with respect to the ERC.

I don't know all the specifics on that.

MR. SOLE: Just for clarification, it actually

was an obligation required on us by the Department

of Justice through a consent decree to eliminate

what was at that time once-through cooling. So

this is -- basically was imposed on us by the

Federal Government if we wanted to continue to

operate.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: But clearly it needs --

the 1970's design needs work. Am I allowed to say

that?

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suggests that, yes, there is a need for additional

water.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Yeah, there's a -- we've

got a problem.

Okay. So are we allowed to discuss the

consent agreement that was made with the other

intervening party, Miami-Dade?

MR. VARN: Again, discussions, I'm not going

to tell you what you can and cannot ask. I will

tell you that in consideration of the final

determination, it should be limited to the record.

I do not believe the specifics of that

consent order were part of it; however, I will

defer to the actual attorneys that were part of it.

I don't recall seeing that as part of the --

and I don't recall reading about it as part of the

record. So I would suggest, no; however, I feel a

little reluctant to tell my bosses not to do

things, so I'm going to leave that to you. I just

would recommend against doing so.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Okay.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Attorney General, did you

want to add anything?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: No, and I think

Mr. Bowman agreed with that as well. I saw him

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nodding, and he's a very ethical attorney. I just

didn't want him not to be heard or the other side.

Did you want to add something, Mr. Bowman?

MR. BOWMAN: Yes, just, just --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Is that okay,

Governor?

MR. BOWMAN: Two items briefly: One was, that

is correct, the cooling canal system was built as a

result of a consent decree with the Department of

Justice in I believe 1971. It predates virtually

every environmental regulation in the State of

Florida. So when I said "by design," I meant by

the physical construction design of the system, not

by design to comply with a particular regulation.

On the other issue, you are correct, the

consent decree with Miami-Dade County was not part

of the record. The Judge made it very clear that

he was not considering other alternatives, that

that was your job to consider those items.

To Mr. Putnam's point, the need of the water

issue was something that we did raise -- we did

argue that we raised. The Judge didn't feel that

we raised it enough, but that was a point, was that

the water is essentially 14 million gallons a day,

every day, 365; whether it's, you know, a hurricane

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or a drought, there's nothing that controls it.

Conditions, you know, you could condition this

water as being a one-year allocation and force them

to come back with a plan to have the saltwater

intrusion halted. You could -- you can put all

kinds of conditions on your modification.

It doesn't have to be a physical solution now,

but you can -- you know, this is your opportunity,

when you're adding something to the license, to

bring them back to you with a final solution, not

through an Administrative Order with the Department

but through the Board that's supposed to be

regulating this facility.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Just to clarify for

the record, I think you've argued that, Mr. Bowman;

but I don't think the ALJ asked us to make

modifications in any way.

MR. BOWMAN: I actually quoted the Judge's

order to you --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I've read it.

MR. BOWMAN: -- that we had the right to come

before you --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Well, you had the

right to come before us.

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MR. BOWMAN: -- and ask, and he had --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And ask.



MR. BOWMAN: And he stated in that final

paragraph that I read to you that he recommended

the approval and recommended that you be advised

that the problem was occurring.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Advised, thank you.


MR. CLARK: That concludes all of our

speakers.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Does anybody have any

other questions?

(NO RESPONSE).

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Is there a motion

on the item?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I'm not sure how to

word it.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. So let's make sure we

know our options.

MR. CLARK: The Department is recommending

approval of the Final Order as presented.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. So it would be, we

would -- the recommendation would be: We adopt the

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Judge's recommendation that the request be approved

with the limited modifications and grants one of

the ACI's exceptions and DEP's modification for a

terminology clarification.

Is that accurate?

MR. VARN: No, sir, we do not grant any of

ACI's exceptions.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. So that's not --

MR. VARN: And there was a modification on the

standing issue and the DEP terminology issue. And

if you go with the recommendation on the standing

issue, you would need to make a determination that

it is a more reasonable interpretation than that of

the Administrative Law Judge.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Why don't you restate

your recommendation then and just make sure I have

it right?

MR. VARN: The Department would recommend the

adoption of the Recommended Order, with the

modifications being the adoption of the exception

by the Department, the rejection of the exceptions

filed by ACI, the modification of the standing

issue as prepared in the document, with a finding

that the change in the standing is a more

reasonable interpretation than that of the

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Administrative Law Judge.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: I have one last

question: On your amendment to the

Recommended Order, specifically Number 64, why did

you strike the last sentence?

MR. VARN: Well, the -- I didn't think that

went to the fundamental issue of standing. Again,

we find standing. I felt that that was more of a

dicta. Once you get in -- once you address

standing, and I believe standing is limited to --

Standing cannot exceed the issue that is

before you. In other words, you can't go beyond --

what our issue here is the modification and the

ancillary issues related thereto. So the language

that he had in there, and I don't recall it off the

top of my head, but it was --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: ACI's injury is no less

immediate than the injury that would be suffered by

anyone downstream of a pollution source when the

timing of the impact and the concentration of the

pollution at the time of impact can be calculated

by accepted scientific methods.

MR. VARN: Right. I don't think it adds to

nor takes away from. I don't feel strongly one way

or the other on that language, so if it makes no

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difference -- I just don't think it added to the

conclusion from our standpoint; and therefore, it

was redundant information. I think the -- that ACI

proved it has standing. It's an existing -- it has

an existing legal use, and they made allegations

that suggested -- the ALJ did not agree, but

suggested that they would be impacted by the

modification.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So, Craig, your

recommendation is we just approve the Final Order?

MR. VARN: Yes, sir.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: That would be the simplest

way of saying it?

MR. VARN: With a finding that the

interpretation is more reasonable than that of the

ALJ. There's a terminology -- there's language in

120 that requires you to make that finding if

you're going to make a change on the conclusions of

law. So, yes, I recommend though you adopt the

Draft Final Order as prepared.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. All right. Is there a

motion on the item?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: The proper motion would

be that we adopt --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: We adopt the --

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COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- the Final Order as

prepared?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: With the

modification.

MR. VARN: With the modification -- well, with

the finding that the modified conclusion is more

reasonable than that of the Administrative Law

Judge's.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: It's just it --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: I'm leaving that to you.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I think, I think --

let me try to simplify it, because that's a

question of law and not a question of fact; is that

correct?

MR. VARN: Yes, ma'am.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I'm not asking a

leading question. I'm --

MR. VARN: It's absolutely correct.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Is that why?

MR. VARN: Yes, absolutely.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Okay. Mr. Bowman,

attorneys, do you agree that that's a question of

law and not a question of fact?

MR. BOWMAN: I agree that it's a question of

law.

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MR. BOWMAN: I don't agree that it's a

question of law over which this Board has

substantive jurisdiction. The standing of my

client and the test for evaluating it is a general

principal of administrative law. It is not a

technical issue of power plant siting or

environmental protection, which is the only aspect

where you can overturn an Administrative Law

Judge's conclusion. Just saying that that sentence

didn't add anything isn't enough to overturn a

conclusion of law.

MR. VARN: Okay. But that's not actually what

I said. But I will say that I disagree with that

in that infused in this determination of standing

is more scientific determinations. 403.412 --

under Chapter 403 and 373, the standing of those,

the Department has consistently held that in making

those determinations of standing, it does take a

certain level of expertise.

So I think that while in general standing may

be a fairly administrative proceeding in terms of

environmental issues, such as this one, there are

infused in those decision makings certain skills

that the general lay person does not have. So I

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would disagree -- generally I agree with his

provision; however, in this situation I would say

that it is infused with those specialities that we

do have, or the Board has sitting as the

Siting Board.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: So, Governor, would it

be appropriate to say that I move that we adopt the

ALJ's Recommended Order, including the conditions

stipulated by the parties, and with the two

amendments recommended by DEP?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Yes.

MR. VARN: Yes, sir.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Is that --

MR. VARN: And a finding that the Board's

conclusion regarding standing is more reasonable

than that of the Administrative Law Judge.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Are you okay with that?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Yes.


ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: The Board's

conclusion regarding standing is more reasonable

than that of the ALJ.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Right. So you're okay with

that? It's your motion.


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GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Is there a second?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Second.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Any comments or objections?

(NO RESPONSE).

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Hearing none, the motion

carries.

MR. CLARK: That concludes the Siting Board

agenda.


MR. BOWMAN: Thank you all very much. I

appreciate your --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Mr. Bowman, thank you

for --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Thanks a lot. You did a good

job.

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CLEMENCY BOARD CLARIFICATION OF

COMMUTATION OF CARLOS DELGADO

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Now I'd like to

recognize Julie McCall with the Commission on

Offender Review.

MS. MCCALL: Yes. We're here at the Board's

request to address the specifics of a commutation

of sentence for Inmate Carlos Manuel Delgado, which

was heard at our Clemency meeting on March the 3rd,

2016.

The Commission on Offender Review is here

today, and Inmate Delgado is also represented by

his family and his attorneys.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Say it one more time,

Chairman.

MS. MCCALL: Which part?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Just the last, just say your

last sentence.

MS. MCCALL: Okay. The Commission on

Offender Review is here, in case you have

questions; and also the family of Inmate Delgado is

here if you had questions.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. That's fine.

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MS. MCCALL: And his attorney.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: That's great. Is Jack here?

MS. MCCALL: Yes.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. All right. Jack, do

you want to just go explain why we're having to do

this so everybody understands it?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Governor, I think

this is what I had originally suggested, just to be

safe.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Right. Yeah.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: But I think everyone,

as the Clemency Board --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: I just want to make sure we

all have a conversation why we're doing this.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: If I can speak for

all of us, I think we all were trying to help the

defendant as much as we could, but this may be,

after talking to Ms. Snurkowski, the best way to

go.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So what we did -- so, Jack,

why don't you tell us why we're doing -- why we're

having to come back and talk about this.

MR. HEEKIN: In granting the conditional

commutation, one of the conditions that was agreed

upon was that the defendant would not have to

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register as a sex offender.

In order to remove the registration

requirement by FDLE, there are a number of paths

that can be taken, but the only one available to us

is to grant an immediate full pardon. Now if we a

grant a full pardon, we're granting unconditional

release from guilt and from punishment. So we

could not place conditions of supervision on the

defendant in this case.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Right.

MR. HEEKIN: So what we need to clarify is

whether or not we want to grant an immediate

full pardon, or whether we wish to grant a

conditional commutation with conditions of

supervision that he must fulfill, and then we can

consider a full pardon at a future date.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So there are three options.

All right. Do you want to go through the options,

or do you want me to go through them?

MR. HEEKIN: I'd be happy to go through them.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Why don't you go

through the three options really quick?

MR. HEEKIN: The options as I see are: We

grant immediately a conditional commutation alone.

We've already established the special conditions of

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supervision at the Clemency meeting, and those

would still apply. What that would require is he

would still have to register and go through the

reporting requirements as a sex offender while he's

supervised; however, we would not be placing

conditions of sex offender probation on the

defendant. That was not part of the special

conditions of supervision.

So he would go under six months of immediate

house arrest; 36 months of probation, which would

run concurrent with the house arrests; and then the

remaining special conditions. That would be the

first option.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: With no monitoring?

Excuse me, Governor. With no monitoring?

MR. HEEKIN: The sex offender probation

requirements, the ankle monitoring, and I believe

the residency requirements would not have to apply.


MR. HEEKIN: The second option would be

granting a conditional commutation and a

conditional pardon at this time. Those special

conditions would apply.

Now this would have the effect that upon

successful completion of those conditions at the

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end of his term of supervision, a pardon could be

granted and would be granted because he

successfully completed those --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: But he can't be -- it can't

happen without the Clemency Board making a decision

at the end?

MR. HEEKIN: Correct, the Clemency Board would

need to execute an executive order granting the

full pardon at the end.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Which means that would be

after we're out of office, in these positions at

least; and then another Clemency Board would still

have to make that determination. So we're taking

the risk that another Clemency Board wants to take

a different action or takes no action, right?

MR. HEEKIN: Correct, that's correct.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Or we could do it at

our last Clemency meeting ourselves.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Yeah, that was --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: That was my

suggestion early on, that we do it.

MR. HEEKIN: And if we want to do that, then

under the first option, granting the conditional

commutation alone, we could set this for the

December 2018 Clemency agenda. That would be the

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last meeting of this administration.

At that time you can then consider whether you

wish to grant a full pardon. If the defendant has

been successful in the terms of supervision, if

he's presented a compelling case that a full pardon

should be granted, we can consider it and grant it

at that time.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So the bottom line is we

can -- if we want to say he has -- we can give him

a full pardon, and then -- I think the Commissioner

was the one that was adamant that he not have to

register as a sex offender. We can't do that and

have any supervision, so that's their choice.

Right, Commissioner?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Given the choice between

supervision of someone whose crime was, you know,

having a child with -- someone who misled him about

his age and having him miss the next three years

with his daughter because he will be a

sex offender, I would support an immediate pardon

so that he can move on with his life without the

stigma of sex offender and count on his family to

keep him out of trouble with the different

conditions that we believed that community

control would provide, or -- no, no, no, that's

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my -- that would be my preference; that we all

trust him enough to let him out of jail a month

ago, he's still in jail, which is disturbing enough

as it is.

But we all trusted him enough to let him out

of jail, let's trust him the extra little bit and

put the burden on his family, as it should be, so

that he can reacquaint himself with his daughter.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Let's go back. So he went to

jail ultimately because of a drug problem.

MR. HEEKIN: That's correct, Governor. He

violated probation by committing a new felony:

Possession of cocaine. Now he had adjudication

withheld on the possession of cocaine, but that was

ultimately the violation of probation on which he

was sentenced to a term of incarceration.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: And how long has he served

again?

MR. HEEKIN: A little over 11 years at this

point.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: And if he had gone into jail

simply for the drug issue, how long would he have

gone in for?

MR. HEEKIN: It would have been a maximum of

five years. It was a third degree felony.

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GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. All right. Okay.

Attorney General, do you have --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I do, I do. And,

Commissioner Putnam, we are letting him out

14 years early, and that's why I believe in reentry

programs. I see your point, but I believe in

reentry programs because we don't want to set

someone up to fail.

I think this administration needs to handle

this. I do firmly believe he needs some

conditions. He's been in prison for 11 years.

We're letting him out 14 years early. It's more

than -- I mean, yes, she lied about her age, but

she still said she was underage, and at that time

it was a crime. It's not now, but at the time it

was; and he did cocaine.

And he has been in prison for 11 years. I

don't want to see him fail, none of us did. I

think that's why we wanted to put some conditions

on him. We all want to see him succeed. But I do

think he needs some -- you know, he originally got

probation.

And I know this was 11, 12 years ago, he was

younger then. He originally got probation,

probation for something he could have been locked

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up almost forever on, and he did cocaine. And I

know he was much younger, but I don't want to see

him fail again, and I do think he needs some

conditions on him, placed on him.

Ultimately -- he's still going to get out,

he's still going to be able to reacquaint himself

with his daughter, but just that stigma of a

sex offender won't be removed. And I mean I would

be happy if we want to modify it to two years.

I hate even pushing it to our very last

Clemency meeting actually, if we could even do it

one before that. Just to be sure so this Board can

be certain that he is pardoned, I would have no

problem even moving it up sooner.

But when someone -- you know, this is what

I've done my entire career. When someone has been

in prison for that long -- and he does have family

support, but I do think he needs some conditions on

him. We're giving him --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Can I ask a question?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- a tremendous break

that he deserves.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So the Commissioner said that

he would be limited in his ability to be with his

daughter, okay? What are --

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COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: School activities and

things like that.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Yeah. What are the

limitations; do we know?

MR. HEEKIN: And I'll defer to Sara Rumph on

this point. I know that she's looked into this

recently.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Thank you.

MS. RUMPH: Good afternoon. So the

limitations that would be restrictive would be

anything that is municipally imposed which may have

a residence restriction.

But as far as participating in school events

and participating in like going to a park or,

you know, anything along those lines, there would

not be any restrictions. Now that's not to say

that the school would not refuse to have him

involved in like a field trip. They could refuse

permission for him to be a chaperone, but that's

different -- based solely on his conviction, not

necessarily based on his sex offender registration.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: But isn't his family

home a problem because of its distance to a school

or something like that?

MS. RUMPH: I don't know what the municipal

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code is, but not under State statute, it would only

be under municipal statute.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Chairman Pate, based on

your experience with a case like this, what length

of time of supervision or community control would

you think is appropriate?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: A nice easy question.

COMMISSIONER PATE: Really.

Based on his criminal history, I think that

clearly the six months; and I think if you look at

12 months to 15 months, I think you could satisfy

what you're trying to accomplish. I also

understand the desire to have him on a longer

period.

Again, as I mentioned at the last clemency

meeting, we know supervision works, but it can also

be a detriment if it's too long or too restrictive

for someone that does not pose a great risk. It

depends on how you evaluate the case.

Do you think he's at a risk of reoffending in

this type of behavior or another violent offense,

or do you think that his greatest risk is maybe

using drugs again? So then that's the treatment

that you've ordered. So you have to take --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: I think that the risk is

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drugs, right?

COMMISSIONER PATE: -- those things into

consideration.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All of us think the biggest

risk is drugs, right?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And you've got

someone who, in essence, has grown up in Florida

State Prison and, you know, before cell phones,

before technology, before computers. And now he's

getting out in the world, and that's why we have

reentry programs.

So we're kind of -- we're creating our own

reentry program. And I agree, like I said, I don't

think we actually even need to wait until the very

last Clemency meeting. I don't want to even cut it

that close because I want to be sure we fully

pardon him.

Now when you do -- we could do six months

house arrest followed by 12 months probation --

COMMISSIONER PATE: If I gave you my very best

advice -- and I have to serve every member of the

Board, and this is based on years and years and

years of working in the criminal justice system.

And I know you've had exposure working with the

Clemency cases and you, as a prosecutor. With this

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particular case, I honestly believe if you go

outside of 12 months -- six months community

control and then if you wanted to have six months

of probation or this supervision to follow, you

could satisfy what it is you're trying to

accomplish.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I'm great with that.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: So next March -- so he

would be released as immediately as possible --

COMMISSIONER PATE: As possible.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- and eligible for a

pardon at the March 2017 meeting?

COMMISSIONER PATE: Whenever y'all want him to

come back before you, you could consider that.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Let's be sure we're saying

the same thing. He's got six months of house

arrest, six months of probation. Let's say that we

decide not -- we don't take any action a year from

now, what happens? He just doesn't get -- he

doesn't get a full pardon?

COMMISSIONER PATE: Correct.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: He just -- he's out?


GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. That's the only thing

that happens then. So we have a chance to look at

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the full pardon at that point?


CFO ATWATER: Governor, may I ask a question?


CFO ATWATER: And I do appreciate everyone's

perspective, particularly those who have been far

closer to this as professionals.

So I would be curious though, I think we all

have -- our goal here is in the right spot. What

does house arrest achieve that just 12 months

straight probation would not achieve?

COMMISSIONER PATE: Primarily he'll be

confined to the residence except for employment.

He'll have to come straight home after work. Any

time he leaves, he'll have to have special

permission to do that. You're not going to find

him in the local grocery store, others will have to

take care of that for him. He's going to be under

close supervision.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Actually,

Commissioner, I disagree. You can go to the

grocery store, you can go to church, you can go

to -- I'm positive. On community control, you can

go to church, you can go to the grocery store, you

can -- we can set those conditions as part of his

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house arrest --

COMMISSIONER PATE: Yes, you can.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- absolutely.

COMMISSIONER PATE: Yes, you can do that.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: You just -- he's just

not going to get out as an adult and be able to go

out and stay out in a bar all night long.

COMMISSIONER PATE: Right.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And

Commissioner Putnam originally had asked --

suggested a halfway house. We're doing our version

of a halfway house, which is much easier than a

halfway house. And, yes, you can go to the grocery

store; you can go to church; you can go to school;

you can go to work; you can --

COMMISSIONER PATE: Absolutely.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- go to your

parents' house.

COMMISSIONER PATE: The language we use at the

Commission is: You're confined to your residence

except for religious, education, medical purposes,

I mean we give them those exceptions. So they can

participate in society, but then other than that,

they're supposed to be at home.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: CFO, are you okay?

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CFO ATWATER: Yeah, I think that

Commissioner Putnam and I -- again, I know we're

all trying to do the right thing here. He makes --

you know, his earliest point I thought was very

compelling to me, so I'm just -- I could have been

swayed; but again, I appreciate all the history and

the value of the reentry because our concern last

month was, boy, don't let this person slip and fall

right out of the gate with temptations, you know,

whatever it may be.

So I guess I would have been thinking, if we

did one year probation, a year from March, a year

from right now, the opportunity would be in front

of us had all gone well. But if people feel

strongly that house arrest adds an additional

element, I get that. But I would like to believe

that this individual could be believed to integrate

back as quickly as possible and begin to be exposed

to things under a probationary arrangement that

they understood they couldn't slip.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Can I suggest

something, Governor? Why don't we do this -- and I

may need you to help me structure this.

But we could do -- we do this all the time --

used to do this all the time -- six months CC,

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followed by six months probation. If he's had no

violations of community control in three months,

you can roll that to probation; and then he'll go

nine months of probation. How is that?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So it's a total year. It

starts at six months, six months, but it could

go -- the six months could go to three, but you

still have a total year?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Total year. I feel

very strongly -- I don't want him to fail. I feel

very strongly about a reentry program, and if we

do -- I think that's a good compromise, if you

gentlemen agree with that.

But can I ask the Commissioner just one other

thing? Technically is it better to do a year

probation with six months of community control, or

six months CC followed by six months probation?

I'm just asking a structuring --

COMMISSIONER PATE: I would do the tougher

part up front, the six months community control

first and then probation to follow.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: You would do a year

probation to include six months of CC on the end,

or do you do six months followed by six months?

It's been a while since I've been in the courtroom.

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COMMISSIONER PATE: I've seen it both ways. I

think you're accomplishing the same thing.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Okay. Well, then may

I make a motion with our some conditions?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Yeah.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: We do six months of

house arrest followed by -- I mean followed by

six months of probation. If he has no violations

three months on house arrest, he can automatically

roll over to nine months probation. And then we

will see him again a year from now, our closest

Clemency meeting, give or take a few weeks --

COMMISSIONER PATE: Uh-huh, sure.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- a year from now,

and hopefully we will all pardon him.

I would ask that we add to his house arrest

that he be allowed to go to the grocery store,

Commissioner, you know --

COMMISSIONER PATE: Religious, medical --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Yes, medical,

grocery store.

COMMISSIONER PATE: -- education.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: That's how we always

structured it.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: If he's on house arrest,

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can he go to school activities?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Absolutely.

COMMISSIONER PATE: Yes, we add that in there,

and that's what she's suggesting, is that we put

the education clause; or if you want to say if he's

approved by the school -- I'm assuming you're

trying to get to the activities with the daughter.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Right, we can.

COMMISSIONER PATE: Okay. So you can say

that -- actually I think you're doing it by your

language. It's just going to be up to the school

authorities whether or not they allow him. I don't

--

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: What if you did the

six months of all of the things you just said,

bring him up in the September meeting, this year?

Six months, if he's a good boy for six months --

we've already let him out of prison. We already

believe in him to let him out of prison 14 years

early by one view or --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Eleven years late --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- eleven years late in

somebody else's view, but you're letting him out of

prison, put him on all -- whatever restrictions you

want to put him on from -- you know, we're now

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basically April through September; bring him up in

the September meeting, and evaluate where he is.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I -- Governor, may I?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Uh-huh.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I firmly believe he

needs a full year. The house arrested -- you're

transitioning him slowly, otherwise you would

almost be doing -- you're going then from

house arrest to just scott free, just free for all.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: House arrest --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I'd rather him be on

probation.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- as you've described,

it is pretty loose. I mean as you've described

house arrest, you can go to the grocery store, you

can go to church, you can go to school, you can go

to work. I'm not sure what part of house is in

that -- what part of arrest is in that house?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Stay out late.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: You can't stay out

late, Commissioner, and then after three months --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: So if you did that for

six months, then --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I'd rather do that

for three months, if he can complete it; and then

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put him on probation, just where he has some

structure, some reporting, we have some hook over

him in case he tests positive, in case something

happens, not to send him back to prison. Our goal

is to help him. And, again, this is what I've seen

so often. I don't want to set him up to fail,

that's why --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: I understand.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- it's a gentle

decline.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: So can the family --

I was -- maybe I was misinformed. I was under the

impression that the housing situation was

complicated if he retains his sex offender status.

COMMISSIONER PATE: If he was on sex offender

probation, but he won't be because you're imposing

the conditions, not the Court.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Okay. So we've solved

that problem --

COMMISSIONER PATE: Yes, sir.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- by the

Attorney General's efforts.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. So the motion is --

and I'll make the motion: The motion is -- it's

basically six months house arrest, six months

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probation; but if he doesn't have any violation in

three months, it's just three months of house and

nine months of probation, he'll come back the

closest to next March on the Clemency Board with

right now our belief is we would give him a

full pardon.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And with the terms we

previously imposed --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Right. Yeah.


ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- except on

house arrest with the additional conditions, I

didn't -- you know how to fix it -- or the

additional conditions, we're going to give him even

more free reign, more freedom on house arrest to go

shopping, and we're slowly integrating him back --

fastly integrating him back.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. So that's my motion.

What's everybody else want to do?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I second it.

CFO ATWATER: Agreed.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: So is all this good? We

can do all this? Because the last time we did all

this, and then a month later we were told we can't

do it.

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COMMISSIONER PATE: I believe the conflict

was -- it was clear what you wanted to do, you did

not want him to have to register; but the statute

said that it had to be a full pardon and he

couldn't have been on supervision.

Jack, you want to address this?

MR. HEEKIN: That's correct.

COMMISSIONER PATE: Okay.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Are we on good ground

right now with his motion?

MR. HEEKIN: Yes.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: We're done.

MR. HEEKIN: We clarify that he will have to

register and report as a sex offender. He will not

be subject to the sex offender probation

requirements, which are more onerous, but he will

nonetheless have to register and report as a

sex offender every time -- I think it's annual

reporting, but it shouldn't be a problem that we're

doing it over a year now.

COMMISSIONER PATE: He might have to do it

twice.

MR. HEEKIN: Maybe twice a year? Okay, so

twice annually, and when he changes address, he

would have to notify the local authorities.

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COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Okay. So when will

he -- if we adopt the Governor's motion, when will

he walk out?

MR. HEEKIN: As soon as we draft and sign the

Executive Order granting his

Conditional Commutation.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Well, we're going to be

here a while, so if you want to pass it down today,

I'll sign it today.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And, Commissioner,

he'll still have to go through the processing

center and be released. What's your guess,

24 hours on that, 48 hours to be reasonable?

COMMISSIONER PATE: He should be out Thursday

afternoon.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Allison can work on

that. Yeah, they can get him out. Realistically,

he's not going to walk out the door tonight. I

mean he has to be processed. Real --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: I get it, but I mean we

did this a month --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Realistically by the

end of the week.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- we did this a month

ago and --

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ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Right.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: -- here we are, so I

want to -- if there's any question about what we're

doing, let's talk about it now.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I think what -- well,

this is what I wanted originally, so --

MR. HEEKIN: We'll have that drafted and

circulated to your offices as soon as possible.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Are we done?

MR. HEEKIN: Yes.


COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: We haven't voted I don't

think.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So we -- the motion is done

and everybody agreed, right?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Okay. Yes.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Everybody is agreed.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: We all did, except

Commissioner Putnam. I don't think he voted. Did

you vote?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: I agree.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Yeah, you agreed, right?

Okay. We're done. And, finally, when do you

think he'll get out?

MR. HEEKIN: We expect it will be probably

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24 to 48 hours. We have to process it, we're

circulating --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Congratulations, everybody.


GOVERNOR SCOTT: Thanks everybody for your

hard work on this.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: It just -- one more

minute.

Commissioner Putnam, Governor, has suggested

they do the order really fast. Frankly, I would

rather Commissioner Pate and the Commission put

more detail in it. I'd rather sign the

order tomorrow morning --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: They're smart, they work

fast. We're all --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- tomorrow morning

to make sure we're on solid legal ground.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: We will scatter. We've

got to sign this.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: We'll still sign it.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: They are smart, capable.

I'll give you my office. We can do this before we

finish all the work we've got done.

COMMISSIONER PATE: We'll get it done.

Thank you.

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GOVERNOR SCOTT: Commissioner, your goal is to

get it done today? That's what you're hoping --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: I see no reason why they

can't take your eloquent motion and put it on paper

and have it available for our signature by close of

business today.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Yeah, good luck.

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I want to thank

everyone. Thank you very much. Our family will be

eternally indebted.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: May I say something?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Yeah.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: He's blessed to have

all of you in his life.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Yeah, good luck.

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INTERVIEW AND APPOINTMENT FOR

DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Everybody is

ready?

Next we have the interviews and appointment

for the Executive Director of the Department of

Revenue.

As you know, the position was opened and

advertised from January 25th through March 11th.

During that time, we received 110 applications, and

posted those applications online. Last week each

of our Cabinet Aides scheduled their selected

candidates to come to today's meeting for a public

interview. Today we have four candidates to

interview: Number 94, Robert McKee; Number 102,

James Evers; Number 103, James Overton; and

Number 105, Leon Biegalski.

I want to thank everybody who applied, and I

want to thank the four candidates for being here

today.

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ROBERT MCKEE

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So now first I would like to

recognize Robert McKee.

Thanks for being here. Do you want to say

something before we ask questions? You don't have

to. We all have questions I'm sure.

MR. MCKEE: I appreciate that. I wanted to

thank you, Governor Scott, Attorney General Bondi,

CFO Atwater, and Commissioner Putnam for having me

here today. As a Floridian from the age of two,

there is no greater honor than being able to stand

before you today for your consideration, and I

thank you.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Great.

All right. Let me just start. So when I look

at your background, give me the -- tell me how you

manage; and, you know, in your different roles

you've had, the most number of people you've

managed, okay?

MR. MCKEE: The most people I've managed,

taking the latter question first, when I returned

to the Department in 2007, I headed up the Office

of Tax Research and the Office of Resource

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Management, I also had the Budget Office under me.

I believe at that point in time I had over 20

direct reports, and so I had about 20 direct

reports in that role. That was the largest number

of folks that I managed.

My management style I think is somewhat -- I'm

a very active person, and so to some degree it is

in my wake that I pull people along as I move

forward. I'm very active. I try to get in front

of issues, I do not -- I try to work very hard to

not let issues grow.

I have a legislative background, meaning that

you have to respond very quickly, a quick

timeframe. I have to push my own department in my

current role to give me an idea of what is current

law, what the change in law will do, how the

Department will administer it; and then figure out

some way to measure it, usually within three or

four days' period of time. And then I have to

present the result, manage my staff to produce the

results, and then present them in a legislative

setting within that timeframe.

So generally, I tend to pull people along in

my current role. I understand in a position like

this you also have to create a vision and you have

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to lead people in the job I'm applying for.

And so with that, I understand you have to lay

out a path; you have to every day make sure that

you're progressing down that path to get them where

we are today to where we want to be tomorrow, and

you have to work towards that goal. You also have

to push the people who need to be pushed, because

some folks get settled, they're comfortable within

their roles and they're not happy being challenged.

And so there are folks you need to bring along and

you need to foster their ability to understand that

change is inevitable; that where we don't change,

we don't grow, and we don't progress.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So, Robert, in your time at

DOR, have you had a lot of interaction with the

taxpayers and businesses, or has it been mostly

dealing with, you know, other issues?

MR. MCKEE: In both my role when I was the

Deputy Executive Director under Lisa Vickers, and

as the Chief Economist, I've had different

interactions with taxpayers. When I was the

Deputy, I did meet with taxpayers on certain

issues; we would have issues with the taxpayers.

The representatives would -- we would deal with

those issues that had risen to the executive staff

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level.

In my current role as the Chief Economist,

when legislation is brought forward, I have a very

firm rule that more information makes for better

estimates and better outcomes. And so I work very

hard to work with members of the business community

to make sure I'm understanding the things that I

need to understand in order to present estimates to

the Revenue Estimating Conference for their

consideration to use in the official planning

documents of the State.

I seek out information. I don't wait for it

to come to me, and I work very hard to make sure

that in the limited amount of time I have to

produce those forecasts that I have engaged with as

many experts as I possibly can, because myself or

my staff will never know the situation as well as

those folks who live it and are seeking a solution

before the legislative process.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. That's all I had.

Any other questions? Commissioner.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: You've been around a

long time, you know the Agency, you know this

process, you've seen Cabinet. Working with Lisa,

you've seen the legislature at F & T. So I would

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have a higher standard for you because you know

what you have. So assess for me the strengths and

weaknesses of the Department as you see them now

and what your first hundred days would look like.

MR. MCKEE: I've talked to a lot of folks in

preparing to be before you today, and I've heard a

common theme: That the Department has lost some of

the sense of responsiveness that is necessary and

hasn't gone in front of issues at times the way

that they needed to prevent things from growing to

the point where their folks felt it necessary to

engage their statewide leaders or their legislative

leaders.

So I think one of the issues that I would

address immediately is responsiveness, and part of

that would be that the Department has been very

good in the past, particularly on the guidance of

Doctor Jim Zingale, and then Lisa Vickers as she

succeeded him. To develop measures on ourselves;

to manage by those measures, to look at those.

And my sense has been that to some degree

those measures have been laid down in recent years.

They need to be picked up again, but they also need

to be looked -- developed for the executive

program, the part of the Department that the

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Executive Director directly leads.

Where I hear we're particularly not responsive

is in our ability to answer questions of taxpayers,

to give them certainty, and also with respect to

our informal protest process. We have some very

specific measures, for example, in our refund

process.

I think there are similar measures we could

put on the protest process in order to create

accountability, to drive resources to that

direction if it's, indeed, where we're slow, and to

develop the process to make sure what is causing

the bottleneck. I think that's certainly something

that I would bring back to you with respect to

those measures in the first hundred days.

I would also look to strengthen the

Taxpayer Advocate Office. That office is given

certain statutory powers today to invoke

extraordinary measures to provide relief or remedy

on behalf of taxpayers.

But in talking to our Taxpayer Advocate, I've

been advised that they've only used those

extraordinary powers four times in the last

15 years. I would seek to strengthen that office

and to give them some power to do things in

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ordinary situations on behalf of Florida

businesses, particularly where they can stop the

clock, act as a check on the operating program, and

get the business more time in order to respond to

the Department. I think that that should be an

ordinary part, and I would look to our legislative

package to bring that initiative forward.

I think there are other areas, particularly in

the Taxpayer Bill of Rights, where there's not

clarity. There's, for example, a provision that

says a taxpayer should have available to them an

exemption that they were not aware of if they

didn't apply for it at the time; but then there's a

reference that says it only applies to sales tax.

Is it the policy of the State that that should

apply to all the taxes as the Taxpayer Bill of

Rights implies, or should it only be in sales tax?

I think that's another initiative that I would

bring before you to consider, whether that should

be a principle that -- the business has the same

three-year period to go back and realize, gee, I

missed the opportunity to apply for an exemption

that the State has to go back and audit; that there

should be balance in that -- from that standpoint

on behalf of the taxpayer.

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So that's another proposal that I would bring

before you for 100 days.

I have not been on the budget side since I was

the Deputy Executive Director back in 2008, but I

think it's also important that we look for

opportunities to privatize, and I would work with

my folks to look for those and bring something

before you back in our legislative budget request.

And those are some of the things that I would

do.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Attorney General.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Are you finished,

Commissioner?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Yes, ma'am.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Okay. Robert, we

know you have a significant amount of experience

working with the DOR, but how working with the

Legislature and the Florida League of Cities (sic)

has uniquely qualified you to be

Executive Director?

MR. MCKEE: I have spent the last 15 years

working with and for --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: League of Counties.

MR. MCKEE: I'm sorry. Yes, Association of

Counties, yes.

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I've spent the last 15 years working with and

for elected officials. I understand the deference

that needs to be given, the timely response, the

idea that, while patience is a virtue, it is always

a mistake to try someone's patience; and that as

you work with elected officials, a significant

customer base of which -- of the Department's are

the clerk of courts, the property appraisers, and

the tax collectors; that when you work with these

elected officials, you have to understand that your

timeframe may not be their timeframe. And you have

to maintain these relationships, communicate

effectively, and create a vision, and move it

forward.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Briefly, and I think

you may have answered this, but you received

obviously a great endorsement from the Florida

Property Appraisers Association. Why do you

believe you received that endorsement?

MR. MCKEE: I have worked with the property

appraisers in my various capacities. I worked with

them when I was with the Association of Counties, I

worked with them when I was the Deputy Executive

Director, and in my role as Chief Economist; and

when I was able to serve as part of CFO Atwater's

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Senate staff, we worked with the appraisers then.

I think they understand that I am a person who

will listen; I will not come quick to judgment,

although recognizing there is a timeframe within

which answers need to happen; and that at the end

of the day, whatever I determine is reasoned and

communicated. And so that's why I believe that

I've gotten their support.


CFO ATWATER: Bob, how about if you would take

a minute and talk about a historical time in your

life work experience where you have had to take a

team, recognize there may have been

under-performance or not yet the efficiencies and

the effectiveness that you would have looked for?

What did you do to turn that around or advance it

forward to where you were satisfied? What were the

things that had to be part of the element of your

plan to make it work?

MR. MCKEE: Well, I think the most recent

example would be my current office in the

Chief Economist's Office. We had lost staff, as

many agencies had to during the Great Recession.

When I came back to the Department, we'd also

had some experience drain, we'd lost a number of

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experienced individuals; and I had to bring on new

staff, train the staff, get them to understand the

timeframes, that we were different than other

Department employees because we had to respond to

the Session needs and the Session timeframe.

So we worked to understand how we had to move

quickly; how we had to be responsive; how we had to

find within us the ability to break down barriers,

ask questions, call into various agencies and

offices even when we did not have a contact; that

we had to be fearless, so to speak, in moving

things forward.

It's very much so in my current office. I

think there were some similar experience with

rising into the Deputy Executive Director role,

leading the Legislative Services Department after

Lisa Vickers had risen to be the

Executive Director, and establishing myself within

the Department as a leader.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Thank you.

MR. MCKEE: Thank you very much, Governor, and

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JAMES EVERS

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Next we have James Evers.

Good afternoon.

MR. EVERS: How are you? And I do want to

thank you for the honor and the privilege of being

able to interview, at least for the

Executive Director position of the Florida

Department of Revenue.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So what changes would you

make based on the knowledge you have of DOR?

MR. EVERS: Well, if you looked at my resume,

I was the Director of the General Tax Program for

12 years and in senior management in the Florida

Department of Revenue for over 20 years.

During that time, I think Florida Department

of Revenue's tax program was recognized around the

world in governing magazines as being one of the

top revenue agencies in the country. And so had an

opportunity to host 31 different foreign countries

as they viewed the Florida Department of Revenue as

one of the best in the country.

I think they've kind of lost that edge,

you know, that push. If you look back at some of

the most significant things that we have done,

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technology has changed in the Tax Department from

top to end. You know, back in the old days, you

used to process paper and nine tons of mail, and

now it's all electronic.

E-auditing, you don't have to go physically

into a taxpayer's business to bother them; they can

turn it around to you electronically. All of those

initiatives were accomplished when I was in there

driving some of those metrics and some of those

performances.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: And so I guess that goes to

if you had two or three things you think you're

going to do -- if you were the Executive Director,

you could do a lot better?

MR. EVERS: Well, I think I've been gone for

almost close to four years, so I think I'd have to

talk to your offices about what your perception is,

what's changed in the Department, what's moved in

there. And certainly from my experience in the

Department, I think I have a good opportunity to go

back there and revisit them because I don't know

exactly what's changed since I left four and a half

years -- or almost four years ago.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Anybody have any

questions?

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ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Go ahead,

Commissioner.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: No, no, go ahead.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Okay. You went back

to school to get your accounting degree, very

impressive; and why do you feel passionately about

that? Why did you do that?

MR. EVERS: Well, when I first went to

college, I probably changed my major a

hundred times, you know?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Me, too.

MR. EVERS: And I really wanted to get in

med school, but back in those days it was really

tough. So I had a degree in biology and ran out of

money because I was self-funded.

So I did go back and went to work for the

Department of Revenue, and they allowed me to

work -- you know, go to school at night in the

night program, and that was accomplished in several

years, and then the Department kept promoting me.

But anyhow the accounting degree --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Yes, that's --

MR. EVERS: I mean to me it provides the

foundation for, you know, managing big-picture

systems, modernizing efficiency. I think it gave

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me some basic level of understanding.


GOVERNOR SCOTT: Commissioner.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Yeah, you've mentioned

in your comments today and in the interview with my

Cabinet staff that DOR seems to have lost its edge,

and what does that mean? What specifically needs

to be corrected to regain that edge?

MR. EVERS: Well, first of all, like I've

said, I would have to have an opportunity to go

back to see if that's really my perception or if

that really -- if they have lost their edge,

because when we were there, you know, one of the

more remarkable things that we did was -- and it

goes back to the accounting degree.

Nobody in the Department of Revenue prior --

before we integrated our tax system knew what the

receivable balance was in the Florida Department

of Revenue. Once he started measuring the

Florida -- the outstanding receivable balance, we

had an opportunity to reduce it almost, you know,

from, I want to say $2 billion to $600 million, I

don't know the exact number.

So I think some of the commitment and some of

the drive, if you don't have strong leadership at

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the top, you know, is missing there. Are they

going to take the risk? Are they going to go

outside, push the envelope, make sure that we're

doing the kind of things that are responsive to not

only large associations but making it easier for

not only employers to comply with Florida tax laws

improve the child support program, and the property

tax program.

I would add that when I had an opportunity to

work private for a short period of my time, I did

have an opportunity to go talk with all of the

property appraisers, because I think Florida has a

problem, you know, with homestead exemption fraud.

I think the Lieutenant Governor was a property

tax appraiser down in Miami-Dade. And one of the

things that we were marketing when I was out there

trying to sell to potentially property appraisers

is the ability to detect homestead exemption fraud

from using either the LexisNexis Accurint product

or the Thomson Reuters CLEAR product because

basically they know where people live and what

abuse is going on.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Anything else, Commissioner?


Tell me what you see as being the greatest

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contingent liability out there for the State.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I mean you're running

a -- you know, DOR is accounts receivable. What's

the -- what are the kinds of things that the

Executive Director ought to be laying awake at

night worrying about?

MR. EVERS: Well, first of all, if you've got

public assistance fraud, you've got identity theft.

The Florida Department of Revenue is in possession

of nine million Social Security numbers from all of

the Florida wages, not only in the child support

program but in the tax program. So certainly

keeping that safe and harboring that keeps

executives up at night.

I've had the opportunity for the last

three years to work for the Department of Economic

Opportunity, which has given me a different

perspective because I went to a different agency

and viewed revenue from a different agency's

perspective. They face the same challenges. They

have identity theft, public assistance fraud going

on. It's common in DCF; it's common in Department

of Health; it's common with most State agencies.

And I think there has to be a concerted effort

to improve that overall because too often agencies

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try to do it themselves because they think they can

do it better rather than enlist the support of

experts, particularly from outside.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Thank you.


CFO ATWATER: Yeah, thank you.

Jim, you've spoken about the reduction of that

receivables that was out there, you've spoken about

the word leadership. How about walking me through

a specific where it was your responsibility to take

that team, what were the elements, what were the

skill sets that you had to deploy, and how did you

do it for that to be successful?

MR. EVERS: Well, I think I had several

different opportunities. I think everybody in the

room has probably heard about the Florida Suntax

System. That's a very complex system, and I think

the State has tried to put a statewide accounting

system in several times. So it takes a dedicated

team; it takes the passion; it takes the

leadership.

And more importantly to me, you've got to

determine a strategy of how to implement some of

that stuff because too often too many people try to

do too much at one time, as opposed to a phased

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approach where you can bring together the right

management team, provide them with not only the

backbone and support for making sure they do that

concentrated effort.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Thank you very

much.

MR. EVERS: Thank you for the opportunity.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Next we have James Overton.

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JAMES OVERTON


MR. OVERTON: And I don't think I'll open this

with a statement, I'll just say thank you for

consideration and you can ask questions.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Can you first

sort of talk about how many people you've managed

and what your management style is?

MR. OVERTON: My management style is kind of

participatory. I like to get people interested in

what the decision is and how they're going to be

impacted by the decision.

The most people I've ever managed, I guess, if

you can look at the City of Jacksonville, that's

about 7,000 people. I was the City Council

President, so we were managing -- I was managing --

helping the mayor manage all those folks. But the

largest direct management job I've had is about

130 people in the property appraiser's office in

Jacksonville.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. And now you've never

been at DOR, so --

MR. OVERTON: No, I've been a victim of DOR.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So not ever being there, do

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you have any perceptions of things that you think

you would already change?

MR. OVERTON: Well, from the property tax

standpoint, I think that the Agency needs to take a

more sympathetic view, kind of like what Jim was

just saying, of the property appraisers and their

job and how they are impacted by what the DOR does.

From the public standpoint, I think that the

Agency needs to develop a sense of trust in the

public; and that is, that the public can trust us

to be accurate and fair, and we're not out to get

you. We're out to be fair and have you pay your

fair share but we're not asking you to kowtow to

us, or we're not asking you to -- or we're not

intimidating you, for example.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So what -- in your

background, you've done a few different things, but

in your professional background what prepares you

to do DOR, be Executive Director of DOR do you

think? The property, I mean --

MR. OVERTON: Yeah, being a property appraiser

obviously. That's only -- you know, it's a small

percentage of the budget. If you counted all of

the property appraisers' employees across the

state, it would be a big chunk of folks, a couple

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of thousand I would guess.

Specifically what prepares me for this is

public service. I've seen a large government in

action. You know, the City of Jacksonville is a

billion-dollar budget, so I've seen that kind of

bureaucracy and how it works. That's the best

example of how I would be prepared to take on

5,100 employees.

But I really do think that one of the things

that the Director needs to do is to get out in the

field, see the offices, talk to folks, see how it's

going. I'd spend the first hundred days, as you'd

asked the question earlier, getting out in the

field and seeing what was going on and seeing if I

couldn't put my ear to the rail and go at it that

way.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Attorney General.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I was going to ask

you, as the Duval Property Appraiser, when have you

worked with DOR; but I think I'm going to ask you:

as the Duval Property Appraiser, when have you been

a victim of DOR?

MR. OVERTON: Well, you know, DOR has had a

tendency to make rule interpretations that didn't

favor the property appraisers, they sort of favored

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the tax representatives around the state. That's

been largely brought into, I think, some control in

this last legislative session. Y'all passed a

bill, I don't know if you signed it yet, to

register and to put those folks under Chapter 475

of the Statutes.

So that's the -- victimization I guess is a

strong word for that.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I was teasing.

MR. OVERTON: Oh, I'm being a little humorous,

too.

But, you know, my experience with DOR as a

taxpayer has been, I had a sales tax audit one

time, and I thought they were unreasonable. I mean

the fellow who did the audit was brusque, he was

not helpful. He wanted to look at three years of

back records when I had closed that particular

business. He lived in my office for about

two months. He looked at every invoice over a

three-year period. He found initially $15,000 he

wanted from us, and by the time we finished, it was

about $1,200.

So that particular -- that's general tax now,

not property tax. That experience, you know, kind

of got me interested in: What are these folks in

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Tallahassee doing and how am I as a business person

supposed to interface with them?


GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Commissioner.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: So tell me what you

think they're doing right? What do you think --

MR. OVERTON: I like their website.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Okay.

MR. OVERTON: You know, I think that every

Director has had pluses and minuses, from Zingale

forward. I mean I think they do a very good job in

some of the statistical work they do. I think that

-- well, McKee does a great job with economics and

budget and revenue projections.

I think they're reasonably well organized, I

think. I don't know that for a fact. I don't know

how flat the organization is, I don't know what

kind of levels of management they have. I strongly

believe in a flat organization. I strongly believe

in educating folks and asking people to make

decisions appropriate to their level in the

organization, and expecting them to act like adults

with those decisions and to own those decisions and

to try things. It might work -- try it, it might

work. If it doesn't work, we'll try something

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else, or we'll get rid of that and try something

else.

I do think in that kind of thinking about

that, it's okay to ask people to do things and then

expect that they're going to make mistakes

occasionally and be willing to accept that as

management.

Does that answer your question?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: It does, thank you.


CFO ATWATER: Jim, you've had a diverse

career: You have built a business, you've served

in elected office in a couple of different

capacities, so I'd like to ask -- you've heard the

question. You've had to take teams before from the

mundane to the high performance, to the

underachievers to excellence. What skill sets have

you had to deploy to achieve that?

MR. OVERTON: To bring people up, that are

underachievers? Well, if you believe in the GE

method, you just get rid of some of those folks.

But, you know, at the lower end of the scale, you

sometimes have to ask people to retire or leave the

organization or find something else to do.

At the other end, I do -- I strongly believe

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that you have to engage folks in a dialogue and you

don't wait until the performance appraisal at the

end of the year to say, hey, Fred, you're doing

something wrong and here it is.

You constantly have that crucial conversation

during the course of the year to make sure that

you're on the same page and things are going okay.

And you have to tell people that things are going

okay and that things may be -- other things are not

going so well.

So I think of the things I like about

participatory management, to use kind of a buzz

word, is that you kind of get into people's stuff

all the time and -- the best you can, and you don't

wait until the end and surprise people with a

decision at the end of the day.


MR. OVERTON: Thank you, Governor.

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LEON BIEGALSKI

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Last we have Leon Biegalski.

So, Leon, can you tell me, why do you want to

be Executive Director, and what's your -- give me

your background as to why you think you would fit

in the role.

MR. BIEGALSKI: Thank you, Governor Scott,

Attorney General Bondi, CFO Atwater,

Commissioner Putnam.

I want to start by saying, being at this point

in the process is truly an honor.

The simple question: Why? It's because I

care. I'm a native Floridian. I'm proud of the

state. I'm proud of the fact that I've been able

to serve the people and the businesses of Florida.

My career has taken me on a journey that's

given me a good spectrum and experience in taking

this step. I've grown from simply using my legal

background to managing and organizing to now being

in a leadership position at an agency with a large

statewide footprint.

I want you to know that my personal approach

to my professional responsibilities have to do with

clarity, communication, compliance. I think those

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are all things that can be applied to all facets of

the Department of Revenue.

There are things that -- there are things that

once put in place -- and I'm sure I'll get to this

point in some other question regarding dealing with

customers. My goal is to serve the Agency on your

behalf as the Executive Director.

Shifting gears back to the question about my

experiences. Currently at DBPR I'm responsible for

four divisions with close to a thousand employees

in 13 regions -- or 13 regional offices around the

state, but we've also got several hundred of those

people that are out in the field every day, in and

out of people's businesses. And part of making

sure that they're doing what they need to do comes

back to these principles of: Clarity,

communication, compliance; and so I'll come back to

this customer idea.

The taxpayers are customers; people seeking

child support payments are customers; people making

child support payments are customers; the people

that deal with the Department on an everyday basis,

they're customers. And that customer-centric

approach, recognizing that, sets the tone for how

the employees deal with these customers.

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And that's what we do at DBPR. We've done it

effectively. It's what I've done over the course

of my entire career.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Has Ken Lawson done anything

positive at DBPR that you would bring over? Oh, I

didn't see you there.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: He's not in the room,

by the way. He's not in the room, by the way.

MR. BIEGALSKI: Yeah, I'm going to ignore that

he's over there. He has done so many things, and

like I said, these are things that I've carried

throughout my entire career; but being with him has

just helped foster that it works. He comes from

that same mindset.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So do you think your legal

background would help you, or is it a hindrance?

Some people up here have argued earlier today that

it might be a hindrance. You probably weren't in

the room then.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Governor, I don't

think Commissioner Putnam is too happy with me

right now.

MR. BIEGALSKI: This is one of those things

where, yes, it helps tremendously. In some

instances, I don't know how you can do some of

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these -- some of the positions I've had that didn't

require you to be an attorney, but being one

certainly helps. It helps make sure that I'm

asking -- that I'm asking the right questions when

issues are being presented to me because,

ultimately, I've got to have those conversations

with each of you.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Attorney General.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And lawyer to lawyer,

can you explain to the two non-lawyers over there

exactly how as head of DOR -- we're getting punchy

-- exactly as head of DOR how you work directly

with my office, in what ways and why that is so

very important.

MR. BIEGALSKI: Well, I think it goes back to,

like I was just saying, about making sure that I'm

asking the right questions to convey the right

information to you. In particular, you know, we're

going to be dealing with child support enforcement

issues. The Department contracts with the

Attorney General's Office in certain counties to

perform those functions.

In taking it a little bit out of the lawyer

sphere, some of it goes back to what I've mentioned

before, and I'm going to sound like a broken

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record, but talking about clarity and communication

and compliance. It's making sure that that

communication is clear and making sure that what

the Department is conveying to -- whether they be,

again, people expecting child support payments or

those making those payments, that they're getting

the right information from the Agency, and

consistent information from both the main office

and the local office. But that also has to

translate in making sure that we're communicating

with your office to make sure that they're getting

that same information out.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And as, you know, I

hope you know, it's actually a large part of the

state. It's Broward, Hillsborough, Manatee,

Sarasota, here, most of the Panhandle where we

handle child support and we also handle paternity.

So that relationship is extremely important to me

and my attorneys as well.

Could you also just -- could you describe some

of the tax-related issues that you've worked on

while at DBPR?

MR. BIEGALSKI: Sure. two of the divisions

that are within my purview collect -- or collected

last year alone in excess of $2 billion in taxes

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and fees. I think that's one of the functions that

some of the people don't realize that DBPR does,

but -- and they're not necessarily the easiest of

tax statutes to read.

So, again, from the lawyer side, understanding

that certainly makes it a lot easier to get through

those. And like I said, some of the statutes are a

little bit complex, but I think that that gives me

good experience and background in understanding the

broader tax laws of the State of Florida, and there

are similarities.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Thanks.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Commissioner or CFO?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Tell me about your

observations of Revenue, what they get right, what

their reputation is, and what your first

hundred days would look like.

MR. BIEGALSKI: I'm going to say this

generally because, you know, you hear things here

and there, you go online and you read things; and

generally a lot of times the things that you read

are complaints. You sometimes have to take it with

a grain of salt about how true it is.

But from what I'm gathering, is that some of

it goes back to the message that's going out to the

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customers is not always clear, or it's conflicting:

You get one answer one place, another answer

another place. And that's where we want to make

sure that we've got consistency in that answer.

Because at the end of the day, most people want to

be in compliance, and how do you help them get in

compliance? You get them the right answer.

So those are some of the general observations,

and like I said, sometimes I think some of the

conflict is that field offices may be giving

different information than the main office. And so

that communication, that clarity has got to filter

all the way down.

Going to the first hundred days, it's not in

my nature to sit behind a desk, bury myself in

paperwork. So what I would be doing is getting out

into the field, getting together with employees,

customers, other stakeholders to try to get their

perspective on just those types of things that you

asked, Commissioner.

I think once you kind of gauge that to figure

out exactly where this communication is -- maybe

the communication is great, maybe it's just a

couple of people. But once you figure that out,

then you can set the tone for getting that open

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communication and making sure that people

understand that they're going to be treated

equally, treated fairly.

One of the other things though, at that same

time, it's my intention to be in contact with each

of you to try to determine where you think there

might be room for improvement; because ultimately,

at the end of the day, I want to be the guy that

when you're out and you have a constituent ask you

a question you can give them my card and say: Call

him, and have confidence to know that it's going to

get taken care of and that I'll follow up with you

to make sure you know that it got taken care of and

how.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Tell me about your

interaction with stakeholders in your previous

roles. You were over at Surveyors and Mappers,

obviously in parimutuel. We're not talking about

shrinking violets who have an interest in you

having to make a decision one way or another.

Tell me how those experiences have prepared

you to run an agency the size of Revenue.

MR. BIEGALSKI: I'll go with parimutuel first.

I believe that I've got a good reputation with

those stakeholders; and as you've said, they're not

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shrinking violets, they're some of the more

prominent representatives in the state. And,

you know, I would be willing to ask you, if you

want to take a poll of them, that they'll say that

I'm honest with them. You know, sometimes the

answer is no, but I'll tell them why and they'll

know that I thought it through and that it's -- you

know, they're treated equally and fairly, much like

I would want to do at Revenue. Sometimes the

answer is yes and everybody is happy. In that

arena though, usually nobody is happy, parimutuel,

so -- we've all seen that.

But we'll go back to being at Surveyors and

Mappers, and I was with professional boards at DBPR

in a previous position. What being an

executive director for those boards did was it

helped me learn and understand what it's like to

get direction from multiple principals at one time

and understanding that being responsive to each

principal and the body as a whole is a necessity.

I don't understand how you can not operate

without keeping that constantly, constantly in your

thought process. And to me that translates to the

same -- the same concept in terms of interacting

with all of you.

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CFO ATWATER: Yeah, Leon, again, quite

distinguished roles that you've played, leadership

roles up to today.

MR. BIEGALSKI: Thank you.

CFO ATWATER: There have been occasions where

you had to take a team that was not achieving to

your expectations or the expectations of

management. What are the skill sets? How did you

do it? Give me an example of where you've done

this in the past.

MR. BIEGALSKI: The example that I'll give you

actually, I'm going to say, probably started with

me. My first real learning experience of,

you know, semi being in charge of an issue that was

going on that had some legal challenges to it and,

you know, as part of going down the path, my

questions to the people that were a little bit more

in the weeds on it were: So what are we going to

do if we lose here? And the answer was: Well,

we're going to do this. Okay, great. And that was

my response to my supervisor at the time.

Unfortunately, that did happen, and when I

said, okay, so we'll do this. And their response

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was, oh, well, that's just the plan generally, we

don't have any details to it. And this was the

type of thing that it was happening the next day.

That was my first learning experience in terms

of making sure that using these things that I've

talked about, communication and clarity, that I was

getting that across to them so that I'm making sure

that they know my expectations.

So from there it just -- that helped kind of

foster, hey, I've got to tap into all of these --

all of these skills, all of these experiences, and

do a better job even with these principles that

I've talked about to move forward and make sure

that it doesn't happen again.

CFO ATWATER: Thank you.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Thank you, Leon.

MR. BIEGALSKI: Thank you.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Unless anybody has any more?

(NO RESPONSE).

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Does anybody have

any comments?

(NO RESPONSE).

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. I move to appoint

Leon Biegalski as Executive Director of the

Department of Revenue with a compensation of

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$150,000 per year. Is there a second?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I think we all had

our individual picks, and it's frankly hard to come

to a consensus, so I --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: We have four good choices.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: We have four very

good choices. I frankly am pleasantly surprised.

I think Leon hit it out of the park, and I'll

second it.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All in favor.

CFO ATWATER: Governor, can I -- you mentioned

comments first. I do want to just say the same

thing. This was really impressive. We have four

really talented --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Great.

CFO ATWATER: -- really talented leaders, and

so I'm very impressed. So I'm trying to see how

this is -- this process why it's playing out, not

to slow us down, but I certainly consider Leon a

top candidate for the job and feel stronger even

more so after hearing his presentation to the

question and answer.

I still might have a candidate that I might

feel more strongly about but I don't know if this

is -- I don't know. I guess that's the point here.

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If you're making that motion and Leon gets that

majority vote, then I take it that that's how we're

moving forward. I don't know if we were going to

have a dialogue of four down to two, two

conversation, but I'm willing to follow the process

however you want to take it, Governor.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: And, Governor, I mean

I wouldn't mind having a dialogue because, again,

there are four of us. And Commissioner Putnam, you

know, I --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Sure.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: There are four of us,

and frankly, I liked Leon's answer about he

realizes, you know, that there will be four of us

he will be working with.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: You know, one thing I liked

is --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- strong feelings --

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Why I like, Leon, is that

he's -- he's had success, he has run a lot of --

he's managed a lot of people. So I think Ken

Lawson has done a good job at DBPR and put together

a good team of people. You know, I can tell you

that as I travel the state -- you know, we all meet

people. I don't hear a lot of complaints from DBPR

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from around the state.

I think probably Ken can tell you, but I think

it was probably my first year in office I had

somebody complain down in Miami about the Miami

office; and within a day, you know, Ken, I think

you had gone down and met with the person. And I

think that's the reputation they have.

So I think Leon respects the process, because

I think the process is, you know, that he

doesn't -- he works for -- you know, we all -- he

works with every one of us, and so I think he's got

the right background to be able to do the job.

Yeah, I think we have good candidates, I mean --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: We have exceptional

candidates. Leon was on my list coming into this

process as someone who had played a leadership

role, managed people, and more than just in a

general counsel capacity, but overseeing people in

parimutuel wagering.

And, you know, the thing about these jobs is

they're hot, I mean these are hot jobs and very

much under scrutiny with four principals to report

to; and so I think that it is important that he

have that. You know, the absence of a finance or

accounting background for Revenue was the only

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hesitation that I had.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: You're anti-lawyer,

aren't you?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Huh?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I'm kidding.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Well --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: I'm joking.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: I think it was a yes.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: But fundamentally,

you know, this is a management -- this is a

leadership role; and so, you know, while that was a

concern that I had coming into this process, as he

stacked up against other candidates, I'm

comfortable with his track record, his leadership

abilities, and the way that he performed in the

interview; so I would be prepared to support your

motion. I'm just supporting it sooner than I

thought we were, but --

CFO ATWATER: Then, Governor, why don't we do

this -- I can count, and I --

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: That's why you're the

CFO.

CFO ATWATER: I would want -- I think we had

four good candidates, I think we've all said that;

and I'm proud of every one of them that stepped up,

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and I'm proud of the job they did here in front of

us.

I'd like Leon to know that if he's stepping in

to work for four of us this is a unanimous, you

know, conclusion; and I'm high on his candidacy and

I'm willing to support that motion as well.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Congratulations, Leon.

(APPLAUSE).

GOVERNOR SCOTT: I did want to say that -- I

want to thank everybody that went through the

process; I want to thank everybody that applied; I

want to thank the four individuals that came today

because every one of them could have done this job.

And everybody brought different backgrounds to

this, but we had -- this process worked. We had

good candidates; and thanks, everybody, for being

here and doing this.

But congratulations, Leon.

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INTERVIEW AND APPOINTMENT FOR THE

OFFICE OF INSURANCE REGULATION COMMISSIONER

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Last we have the interviews

and appointment for the Commissioner of the Office

of Insurance Regulation. Similar to DOR, the

position was open and advertised from January 25th

to March 11th. During that time, we received

55 applications and posted those applications

online.

Each of our Cabinet Aides also scheduled their

selected candidates to come to today's meeting for

a public interview. The candidates are Number 16,

Jeffrey Bragg; and Number 52, Representative

Bill Hager.

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JEFFREY BRAGG

GOVERNOR SCOTT: First I'd like to recognize

Jeffrey Bragg. Good haircut.

MR. BRAGG: Thanks, Governor.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Thanks for being here. Can

you first just say, why would you like to have a

job like this?

MR. BRAGG: Well, I think any of us who have

had any public sector experience at all recognizes

the opportunity to do some good. I've been really

honored to have had several opportunities to serve

the public in Washington, and I -- when this

position became open, I saw it as another

opportunity to continue my public service.

And I think the rewards that come from

public service are second to none. I have been in

the private sector and in the public sector, and I

think that the opportunity to do good for more

people lies in the public sector and I'm looking

forward to continuing that.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Can you talk a little bit

about how many employees you've managed and just

sort of a little bit of your management style?

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MR. BRAGG: Yeah, the most employees I've

managed in terms of just numbers over an enterprise

was 1,500 employees, and that represented about

$200 million in revenue.

My management style is entirely

consensus-building. I seek all of the input from

all of the leadership in the organization. I seek

input from all of the stakeholders that have an

interest in the outcome of whatever decision is

being made.

I proactively reach out to everybody that has

an opinion on the topic. I listen to them, I

respect their views, I consider their views, and

really don't make a decision or recommend a

decision until I have heard all of that input and

am able to come up with a considered and valued

view as to what should be done.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: What do you see the Number 1

role of the Commissioner?

MR. BRAGG: Well, I see the Commissioner's

role as being like a chief operating officer. I

think the Legislature enacts legislation. I think

this Cabinet acts as a board of directors; I think

this Cabinet sets policy; and I believe that it's

my role to carry out that policy. As the COO, I

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don't make policy, I implement your policy, and I'm

responsible to you, and each and every one of you,

in some cases, on a daily basis to make sure that

your policies are carried out.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Have you ever been -- have

you been in a role where you had four individuals

in a similar situation?

MR. BRAGG: 435 members of Congress all

thought that I worked for them, but apart from

that, no. I think that's going to be a unique

challenge to this position. I'm looking forward to

it. I don't think it's a challenge that I cannot

overcome because my style is, again,

consensus-building.

In addition to seeking input from

stakeholders, I will work every day with your

staffs and with you, if you prefer, to try to build

the consensus that we're all looking for. At the

end of the day, we're all trying to serve the

consumer, and you don't do that just by making

decisions on your own. You don't do that by not

implementing the policy of the policymakers.

You do that by following policy, gathering

information from all stakeholders, and then trying

to either recommend the decision back to the

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policymakers or implementing it if it's an

operational issue on your own.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So what's your vision of what

the insurance market should be like in Florida?

MR. BRAGG: Well, you know, insurance is a

huge market in Florida. It's the third largest

insurance market in the United States. It's the

12th largest insurance market in the world.

The best thing to do for the insurance market

is to continue to let it grow, to let it -- to

bring in as many companies as we can, to create as

big a private-sector solution to the insurance

issues that face us as we can, to really create an

atmosphere and an environment where you have a

vigorous, active, competitive -- the more the

competitive, the better -- insurance market. And

that is one way I think that you can best serve the

consumers.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: All right. Attorney General.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Yes. Something that

is very important to me, of course, is, as the

healthcare marketplace gets more complex with the

Affordable Care Act, how would you ensure that our

consumers are protected?

MR. BRAGG: Well, I think you -- the best way

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to do that is to really get your hands around the

Affordable Care Act. You know that a lot of the

policies and forms that originally are approved by

the Department of Insurance now have to also be

compatible with the Affordable Care Act, so you

have to become more and more knowledgeable of the

Affordable Care Act and the fact that if benefits

are not paid at a certain percentage, for example,

85% of premiums have to go back in the form of

benefits to group health insureds, and it's 80% for

individuals.

I think you have to monitor that closely so

that you don't get a huge disproportion of payback

necessarily. You have to continually manage the

concept that a huge percentage of the premiums have

to go back in the form of benefits to the insured.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: What about the

Navigators?

MR. BRAGG: I'm sorry?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: The Navigators in the

Affordable Healthcare Act.

MR. BRAGG: I guess I'm not familiar with what

you're asking.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Okay. What would

your plan be to make sure that seniors have a

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long-term healthcare coverage?

MR. BRAGG: Well, you know, there are several

aspects of that. There is long-term healthcare,

that's generally considered to be very expensive.

And I know that there is a new trend among

life insurers to -- through a rider primarily -- to

allow seniors to access their life insurance

benefits over a period of time rather than wait for

a death benefit. And I think that's one good way

to help seniors manage their incomes by accessing

their life insurance proceeds earlier and over a

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GOVERNOR SCOTT: CFO or Commissioner?

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Talk to me a little bit

about the flood insurance market. You come from

the Federal background on TRIA. Florida is

exploring ways to find new vehicles that aren't as

connected to the Washington solution on flood.

Talk to me about your vision for that in our state.

MR. BRAGG: Well, as -- you may be aware that

I did run the flood insurance program for many

years in Washington, and one of my initiatives at

the time was to create the write-your-own program.

Up until that time, all of the administration of

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the Flood Insurance Program was handled in

Washington by either government employees or

government contractors.

What I said we needed to do was to put the

administration of the flood insurance program into

the hands of the private sector and let them sell

and service and pay claims against the flood

insurance program harnessing all of the experience,

expertise, and people that normally work in

insurance and put them to work on the flood

insurance program.

That was resulted in over 200 companies

selling -- servicing -- selling and servicing flood

insurance in the private sector. 95% of the

policies that were in the public sector were moved

to the private sector. And the private sector grew

those policies from two million to over

five million flood insurance policyholders today.

Now I do think Florida has a unique problem in

the sense that they are paying much more in

premiums than they're getting back in benefits from

the flood insurance program.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Four to one.

MR. BRAGG: Pardon me?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Four to one, that's what

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we've paid since it started, the national flood

insurance.

MR. BRAGG: Yeah, and my goal in that regard

would be two-fold: One is to continue to encourage

private sectors not just to service the

write-your-own program, but to actively get them to

participate in doing the flood insurance business

independently.

I also think I could go to Washington and work

with people who are in FEMA, people who run the

flood insurance program today, and present some

concepts to them in an attempt to lower flood

insurance premiums for Floridians. For example,

one idea I have is -- you know, it's hard to get

those actuaries up there to get off of their

tables. But if you can go up and talk to those

actuaries, and say, look, here is our loss ratio,

it's nowhere near getting the benefits that we

deserve for our premium. Why don't we construct a

system that allows us to -- for example, if you

have so many years of hurricane-free experience or

flood-free experience, you get a 10% reduction in

your rate, or a 20% reduction in your rate; and

that escalates up and down based upon your actual

experience.

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And that's something I think they would listen

to because it's not something that they would have

to do just for Florida, they could do it in any

other state that had good flood insurance

experience, and it could be a mechanism that really

allowed the policy premium to go up and down based

upon experience.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: How do you assess the

office today? What's it really doing well, what do

you really see as the things that need to be

tackled immediately to improve?

MR. BRAGG: Well, it's doing very well. All

of you, Kevin McCarty, the people who work at the

Department, really share an excellent reputation in

the state. But I can tell you from my experience

in Washington and from spending a lot of time

outside of the state, that it's really a national

view that Florida is doing a good job regulating

insurance.

Having said that, the problems that you're

going to have in insurance will always be with us,

and it's an ongoing and daily chore to try to solve

those problems. And like any organization, I think

fresh eyes, fresh blood, a fresh perspective can

help bring new ideas to the table on how to solve

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the problems that face Florida, and that's what I'm

looking forward to.

But in terms of the Department, they're doing

a very good job. My goal would not be to go over

there and wholesale change the organization or to

get rid of people. Any changes I would make would

be extremely surgical, just based upon the

philosophy that I bring about leadership and

responsiveness and consensus-building.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: You said your vision was

to let our market grow, more companies, vigorous,

active, competitive market. How do we get there,

especially on the property side?

MR. BRAGG: Well, you know, that's a

challenge, and I think it just requires constant

working with the private sector. I think it

reaches out to some of the national companies and

trying to convince them that our loss experience

isn't four hurricanes every year, it was four

hurricanes in one year, and that you need to expand

your writing in Florida, and that it's a profitable

state.

I think we need to make the Florida companies,

the domestic companies more profitable by

encouraging them to go outside the state as well.

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The more business that you can write that becomes

not high risk, the more opportunity you can write

other risk within the state.

So kind of a two-pronged approach, both with

the domestic or the companies based in Florida and

the companies from outside the state, encouraging

both to expand and write more insurance.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: My final question, and

I'm going to give both applicants the opportunity

to answer the same question. And this is a very

difficult, hot position, not only because of four

principals but the nature of it and the nature of

our state and the nature of everything involved in

it, and you've got to be pretty tough. And as

you've already seen, just as the other applicant

has seen it, you know, just being a finalist has

generated scrutiny that you may or may not have had

in other positions.

So I would give you the opportunity to respond

to the criticisms that have been leveled your way

in the public space.

MR. BRAGG: Yeah, it's an unfortunate aspect

of American business that every business in America

is going to be sued, that's particularly true with

companies that have had an initial public offering;

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and it's also characteristic that when they file

those lawsuits, they're not particularly

complimentary of management.

But I will tell you that the lawsuit that has

been referenced in the media was a typical lawsuit

as a result of an initial public offering; that it

was settled out of court 13 years ago; that,

frankly, it was part of the review that the FBI did

when they granted me top secret clearances to run

the programs in Washington, and they found nothing

wrong with my leadership or background. And it's

not -- it's not good, but it is part of what we

face every day as businessmen and leaders.



CFO ATWATER: Thank you, Governor.

Jeff, how about if we could go back. You laid

out to the very good -- and almost opening an

appropriate question there as to how do you look at

our markets down the road and what do you see and

what are the ways to create a stronger marketplace.

How about if you can give me, how do you cover

that balancing act? There is a consumer involved

here, you noted that at the end. All of us who

share a view of a good capitalist system that more

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choice, more opportunity, people competing, greater

value; but how do you walk this balancing act in

this position, creating a robust market and being

sure that 20 million people are getting the best

and fairest care that they should be getting.

MR. BRAGG: Well, I think you start by making

certain and making a firm commitment that you're

willing to listen to everybody, and that means

people on both far ends of the spectrum, as well as

those people more in the middle.

Secondly, you know, it is the proverbial

three-legged stool. You really have to balance the

health of the insurers against the happiness of the

consumer. And, you know, the third leg of that

chair are the employees and the Cabinet that we

report to.

So any time you have any part of that that's

just a little off balance, the stool is not going

to work, and the only way to keep that on balance

is to make sure that you have consulted just

absolutely as many people as you can in making your

decisions and in consulting leadership before you

make a decision as to the direction that they would

like to go.

There are policy decisions and there are

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operational decisions, and I wouldn't begin to make

a policy decision without consulting this group; or

if you said a particular operating decision was

policy, then that becomes policy.

But it's a balancing act, and you can only do

that -- and that's what I did, you know, when I did

the write-your-own program, it wasn't just I had to

go out and write up this program, I had to get the

Department of Commerce to agree to it; I had to get

the Department of Labor to agree to it; I had to

get OMB to agree to it; I had to get the Treasury

Department to agree to it; I had to get the

carriers to agree to it; I had to get the agents to

agree to it.

And it's not like -- these problems are not

like peeling off a corner and sticking them in a

microwave for 30 seconds. These problems require a

Viking range, lots of cooks, lots of ingredients;

but you bring them all together and you bake it for

as long as it needs to bake, and out comes your

result, and hopefully it's a good one.

CFO ATWATER: Jeff, are you familiar with

Florida's personal injury protection on the auto

side? And then let me follow with a question, and

if you're not as familiar with it -- we went

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through a process a couple of years ago, you talk

about the public policy making. Many of us I think

agreed that it was the right thing to do, I still

believe we had to do something.

And we went in and we did an analysis where

the driving costs were which, of course, the

consumer would have considered that word benefits,

certain benefits. And we narrowed some of those

cost drivers with an aspirational expectation that

the consumer would begin to get some relief, and it

hasn't come to pass.

How would you take a look at that situation,

or do you have an experience with it historically,

seeing how it's played out in other states, know it

well enough to give us maybe a suggested future

direction?

MR. BRAGG: Well, the balancing act, it's the

800-pound gorilla in the room. It really has to do

with an insured's right for coverage and right for

benefits against an insured's -- and low cost

premiums against the right of consumers to seek

redress in the courts. And you have that problem

with PIP; you have that problem with medical

malpractice; you have that problem with workers'

compensation, and it's not just in Florida, it's

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nationwide.

And I think you were right to create the PIP

statute. I think it did temporarily solve some of

the high-loss issues that have surrounded not only

auto but these other lines of insurance as well,

but I think it's going to require another look; and

I think, you know, just like -- you know, if the

Supreme Court overturns the three -- or overturns

some of the statutes in the workers' comp area or

the medical malpractice area.

That's what I meant when I said insurance

problems will always be part of Florida. It's a

moving target and has to be looked at every day

with new eyes, a fresh approach, and new ideas.

CFO ATWATER: My office represents the Florida

consumer, insurance consumer advocate, and so I

would say this clearly, Jeff, looking at your

resume and this conversation, you know, exceptional

background, exceptional career, and the -- how

about though, if you would, offer some insights

into -- let me say this again, your answers I think

addressing and creating -- going out and talking to

the national players, getting Florida domestics to

continue to grow and diversify their risk by moving

into other geographies. All of this speaks very

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well again, I think, to that mindset of the greater

participation, greater the choice, lower the price

points.

But how about speaking directly to the Florida

consumers for a moment. How do you maintain

that -- or what is that same perspective that they

are sure that the person sitting in that spot,

standing in that position is going to hold players

accountable to deliver, again, on the claims side,

on the accuracy and the care of their -- setting

their forms and their pricing, that you're able to

do right by all parties here?

MR. BRAGG: Well, at the end of the day,

that's the job. The job is to protect the

consumers in the State of Florida and to give them

good coverage at a good price where claims are paid

in a timely fashion. That is the job. What I've

been describing to you is how my -- what my

approach to the job would be.

So I think if we keep in mind always that our

jobs are to protect the consumers, that's the only

reason government exists, it exists to protect

consumers. And while we can talk in terms of

reducing the government footprint, you know,

privatizing certain lines of business as we've

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done, at the end of the day, we do that because

it's better for the consumer.

We spread the risk of the flood insurance

program not to make insurance companies wealthy but

because we were able to keep rates lower because we

had a bigger policyholder base. So the point is,

the job is to protect the consumer. How you do it

is to involve everybody in the process.


ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Can I ask one more

question, Governor?


ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Commissioner Putnam

had asked you a question and I just want to follow

up on regarding insurance solutions management.

You said that was part of doing big business, we

all understand that, but I'd like to know a little

bit more about the settlement.

MR. BRAGG: Well, the suit was filed with the

allegation that management had somehow misled

shareholders in representing the direction and the

future of the company. Now the truth of the matter

is, what we disclosed in the prospectus was,

frankly, all of the risks involved, including the

company that we had acquired called Geotrack, which

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was a flood zone determination company. And one of

the things we said in the prospectus was housing

starts could dramatically impact the revenue base

for Geotrack, for example.

And so, you know, what -- and then when

Geotrack failed to achieve -- when that subsidiary

failed to achieve what we had hoped it would,

revenues did not reach their goals and, therefore,

the stock price declined. It was based upon that

that the -- largely, that the shareholder suit was

filed. And, you know, again they -- I think what

they said was that we misled shareholders.

I don't believe that anybody misled

shareholders. I think if you were to go back and

read the prospectus, you would see all of the risks

that we outlined as part of the business plan.

Nevertheless, it is true that any IPO, if

their shares drop, get sued, I mean that just

happens. And it was unfortunate that our shares

dropped.

I personally lost money in that transaction.

I owned shares of the stock. I lost money. I

wasn't happy about it, but that is business, and it

was largely the Geotrack subsidiary that did not

measure up as we had hoped.

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ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Okay. Thank you.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Did any of the Board members

or any of the management have to pay part of the

settlement?

MR. BRAGG: No.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. So did y'all have a

DNO?

MR. BRAGG: Yes.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. So they paid all of

it?

MR. BRAGG: They paid all of it, yeah.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: It was a settlement and

didn't go to trial?

MR. BRAGG: It did not go to trial.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: How long did it take to

settle?

MR. BRAGG: I think a couple of years.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. Does anybody have any

other questions?

Commissioner.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Sort of the typical

thing I ask people when we're interviewing them.

Is there anything we didn't ask you that you wish

that we had? It's your last opportunity to put

something on the table.

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MR. BRAGG: No, I guess -- no, I thought it

was a good interview process. I didn't get a

chance too much to talk about my time as head of

the Terrorism Risk Insurance Program. I would just

say that that's another kind of chapter in my

background.

That was a chapter where I started with a

blank sheet of paper. They hired me to set up the

program. I was alone with a computer, and from

that, I was able to hire the people I needed, put

forth the regulations to not only regulate the

program but to regulate the companies that

participated in the program. We hired contractors

to pay claims. We decided rather than hire 300

staff people in Washington, we decided to outsource

our back office processing.

So I'm proud of that achievement. We were

able to take, you know, a blank sheet of paper, by

myself in an office, and I created the whole

program. So I take -- I'm proud of that, as well

as my other accomplishments that I've outlined

before you today.


GOVERNOR SCOTT: Anybody else?

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BILL HAGER

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Now I'd like to recognize

Representative Bill Hager.

So, Representative, you have -- I can just

tell you from all of the phone calls I've received,

you have -- a lot of people appreciate what you've

accomplished in the Legislature that has improved

our insurance market, and so you have a significant

amount of support from the insurance industry

because, you know, the things you've done and how

you've handled yourself in the Legislature. So

thanks for doing that.

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: Pleased to do it,

honored to do it.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So why would you want to do

this job? You've got this great job, it's easy,

you know --

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: Thank you, Governor.

Thank you, Cabinet members.

By way of background, I'm a Florida lawyer, a

reinsurance and insurance lawyer. I'm an expert

witness. I testify throughout the United States as

an expert witness in those areas. I'm a

reinsurance arbitrator. I'm a former commissioner

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of insurance, former general counsel to the

American Academy of Actuaries, and former chief

executive officer of a major property casualty

company based in Florida doing business throughout

the United States. I have a degree in mathematics.

Governor and Cabinet members, I believe that I

would be prepared on day one to implement the best

public policy as it relates to insurance in this

state. My philosophy is aligned with that of the

Cabinet. I know insurance. I know all lines of

insurance, and I know them in depth and in detail.

I know insurance regulation. I know Florida; I

know Florida's politics.

I've been an elected official in this state

since the year 2002. I know Florida consumers. I

know significant executive leadership; I have

experience leading; I'm unafraid, I'm unafraid to

lead. I'm unafraid, consistent with the discussion

previously, to take the heat. I have been in hot,

politically charged environments a good share of my

career, whether it is in the Legislature where I am

in the most purple of districts; whether it has

been as CEO of an insurance company that

intersected with 40 states; whether it was in

previous regulatory positions.

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Cabinet, Governor, I'm a team player. I'm

open; I'm accessible; I'm reasonable; I'm

responsible. I believe that under the guidance and

the tutelage of this Cabinet, I can move OIR

forward; I can move Florida's insurance markets

forward. And with that and with the fact that I

know Florida's consumers, I represent now 200,000

of them, I believe I could do an effective job and

continue along the line of public service.

That is my answer to your question.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So, Representative, right now

you don't manage a significant number of people but

you have in the past. Tell me, how big has your

team been and what's your style? How do you do it?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: In terms of management,

I've managed entities ranging from 1,500 employees

with intense actuarial divisions, accounting

divisions, legal divisions. I've managed as

Commissioner of Insurance about a hundred people.

Right now I'm very happy to report I manage one

person and you're looking at that person. So that

is the scope of my management.

In terms of my style, my style is very

straightforward. In terms of personnel, I am

interested, Governor, in competent people, highly

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competent people. I'm interested in individuals

who are loyal, would be loyal.

In terms of chief executive officer

leadership, I believe the position is to attract

resources, run interference, take responsibility,

and take the heat. So my management style is that

of openness, management by walking around. You

learn enormous things walking up to any desk in

your shop, sitting down and talking and listening

to the individual. I'm also an individual that

from a leadership standpoint I believe people can

believe in and follow.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Why would you want to do

this? What's -- you know, you've got a good life

in what you're doing now. Why would you want to do

this?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: You know, Governor,

like many people that serve, like each of the four

of you, you have profound options in the private

sector, every one of you, and yet you serve, I feel

exactly the same way.

I grew up in the corn fields of Iowa, a town

of 400 people, where there were no government

apparatuses. The people that led the 4H were

people that volunteered. The people that ran the

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Fourth of July parade were people that volunteered.

On Memorial Day, my father marched and played the

Taps at the cemetery, so I come from an environment

where the way things get done is through public

service.

Along the way in life, when I could, I have

served. And I'm prepared now to serve, obviously

at the volition of the people I'm looking at.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: How do you see the role?

What do you see as the role of the

Insurance Commissioner?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: I think the role of the

Insurance Commissioner needs to be one of

identifying challenges in the marketplace;

articulating what those challenges are, to the

extent being forewarned can deal with those

challenges, such as hurricanes; assuring there's

total preparedness communication with the

Legislature in terms of issues that deserve and

merit a legislative solution; dealing with this

Cabinet as it relates to guidance.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So you've had -- right now

you have success as a small business owner, and

you --

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: That's correct.

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GOVERNOR SCOTT: And you're working for

yourself.

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: That's correct.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: And you've had success as a

legislator and you have the reputation of being

extremely independent. So how would you transition

to go from that position now to a position where

you have four people that are constantly going to

give you advice on how you can do your job better?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: Well, in terms of the

independence, that's an accurate statement in terms

of thought. In terms of working collegially with

groups, with people, within an employment

environment, my reputation is, in fact, one of

cooperation, one of responding to direction, one of

responding to oversight.

I was chief executive officer of a major

company that I've referenced. I had 15 board

members, all of whom themselves were CEOs of very

large companies. So I'm amenable to direction and

have shown it, shown it in any number of

capacities.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Attorney General.


Bill, frankly, I was looking at your

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application, and I had no idea of your vast

history, an insurance commissioner in Iowa, that's

great. You have a great background.

I'm going to ask you the same questions. I

think you're probably aware of my role in the

Affordable Healthcare Act and the Navigators and my

concern with that. As healthcare -- as the

marketplace in our healthcare system gets even more

complex, what would you do to ensure that our

consumers are protected?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: Well, let's just take

the Navigator issue. You're looking at an

individual that's voted for doing background checks

on Navigators for all of the reasons that this

Cabinet is aware of; and that is, some of these

individuals have unleashed unprofessional behavior

on potential enrollees, so I was one of the

sponsors in background on it.

Another issue, General Bondi, that I see

arising is with Obama Care, there's been an

expansion of individuals to whom coverage is

available. Part of the challenges though is

concurrently, concurrent with that, entities like

centers of excellence have been squeezed out of

that process. So when you look at the coverage

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involved, just because of the pricing, you don't

see names like Sloan Kettering, you don't see names

like Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville.

And one of the things I would do as

Commissioner of Insurance is work diligently to get

that kind of care in front of our people on a daily

basis, on a regular basis. And when I say "in

front of our people," I'm talking about dealing

with insurers with respect to their offering.


And what would your plan be to ensure that our

seniors have affordable healthcare --

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: You know, the same --

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: -- long-term care and

affordable?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: Okay. Excuse me.

Excuse me for interrupting you.

There are currently a number of good products

as it relates to long-term care. The challenge,

frankly, in long-term is that of pricing.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Exactly.

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: And the actuarial

science is pretty simple: People are living

significantly longer on the back end of life, if

you will, than in previous years. The longevity

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has jumped significantly in the last 20 years. So

getting pricing on this stuff -- by "this stuff," I

mean the long-term care policy -- is, in fact, a

big challenge.

I would work -- for example, one of the things

I would like to see from a creative standpoint is

life insurance. There's no reason why we ought not

to be able to work with the industry to, as people

get older, see some kind of a conversion from the

cash value in life policies converted -- have the

flexibility to convert it into long-term care

policies, whether through a rider, et cetera.

So those would be some of the tools I'd be

willing to bring to the table immediately.


REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: You're welcome.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Commissioner.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Representative, you said

in your opening comments that, quote, I can move

OIR forward, I can move the Florida insurance

markets forward. What does that mean? How and

what does that mean?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: Here's what it means.

First of all, OIR is well positioned. It has

competent people. It has an outstanding mix of

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skill sets, but nothing in our world that we deal

with is static. And as such, were I to be

appointed to that position, I would bring vigor to

that position, I would bring decisiveness to that

position. I'm unafraid, I'm unafraid in legal

arenas.

And I don't mean anything reckless by that. I

mean that I'm more than prepared to decide, I'm

more than prepared to assess issues. A good

example of that is the assignment of benefit

issues. I believe a very direct approach in terms

of moving OIR forward is changes in connection with

the homeowners forms, changes that limit the amount

of dollars that can be meted out before

communication with the insurer.

But those are things that can be dealt with

directly. I use that, Commissioner, as an

anecdotal example of the kind of things that can be

done.

The second part of your question is moving the

markets forward. We have vibrant markets now, but

we need to be ever vigilant. We need to continue

constantly to have into perpetuity a sign out, and

that sign needs to read: Florida, Florida's

insurance markets, Florida is open for business.

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And we encourage insurers to examine the state as a

place to do business.

I used to sit in rooms when insurance

companies made decisions about their allocation of

capital, and they have a spreadsheet. And on that

spreadsheet are variables, and those variables are:

Quality of regulation, quality of the legislature,

overall political environment, profitability.

Those are all issues that on a daily basis are

determined.

In terms of moving Florida's markets forward,

in direct answer to your question, I'll do

everything that I can do within that position,

within the tutelage of this Cabinet, to assure that

the marketplace understands that we want insurers

here.

And there's a caveat to that; and that is, we

want insurers who show solvency and meet all of our

requirements, but we want them here because we

understand free markets, capital markets, which is

vigorous competition, delivers the most products at

the best price.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Where does Florida score

poorly in the analysis that you just used as an

example that companies go through?

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REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: In the past, there has

been some reservation for Florida in terms of its

politics. And I'm thinking about prior

administrations, frankly, and there is no question

that insurers, as they made capital decisions in

that time, in that environment, took into account

what they believed to be a less-than-constructive

environment.

From my part, to the extent I could, to the

extent I would be moved into this position, I would

deliver from the regulatory standpoint the

unequivocal message that we're open for business.

And let me stop there and be responsive.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: Well, tell me the --

you've been a regulator, I mean that's a really

intriguing qualification, having done this in

another state, a very different state, so what

lessons carry over easiest from having done this in

Iowa, and what are the things that just don't

really transfer at all?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: You know, the insurance

codes of the various states overlap at a rate of

about 95% simply because insurance is conducted

across state lines, so a lot of comparability.

In terms of lessons learned, I learned these

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lessons as a regulator, some of them through my

mistakes, some of them through hard work: One,

once an insurance company starts to teeter in the

direction of insolvency, if, in fact, it shows that

insolvency is likely, move rapidly. If you do not

move rapidly, the negative net worth of the company

and the harm that can be visited on consumers is

mind-bending, so I would say that.

The other is be proactive. And when I say

"proactive," there are all kinds of tools available

to the Commissioner of Insurance with respect to

protecting consumers. And those tools have names,

they're called the Unfair Claims Practices Act;

they're called Market Regulation of Insurers, going

into the bowels of insurance companies to assure,

based on audit, that they're performing as they

should, that they're paying claims as they should.

So those are a couple of vehicles, tools, lessons

learned, if you will.

The other -- I guess the third is, you've

heard me say it three times now, but be unafraid,

be proactive in terms of action. It's not a

position for one to stand by and watch the world go

by because, in fact, there are bad actors, not

many, but the whole reason for affirmative

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regulation is, in fact, there are actors,

sometimes, who do not meet their obligations.

COMMISSIONER PUTNAM: And finally, let me give

you the opportunity to comment, just as the other

applicant had. As you know, this job brings a lot

of heat and a lot of light, and you've got to --

you know, it is a very difficult position to be in,

in addition to the normal responsibilities of

reporting to the Cabinet the nature of the business

in a state like Florida.

And so each of you should be given the

opportunity to respond to the criticism that has

been leveled at you in the media in the run-up to

your interview here today.

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: Well, the criticism

that I saw was that I participate in the insurance

marketplace, and that was essentially it; that I do

business in the insurance market place, which as

you read the statutory requirements, actually is

one of the statutory requirements to qualify for

the job. So that's my response, nothing more

complicated than that.



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Representative, you've touched on it a couple

of times, but I'd like to go ahead and come at it

again; and that is, this balancing act. Your

responsibilities, as you mentioned, to be sure that

we're ever vigilant, that nothing is never set in

place and set in perfect motion; and that is,

creating the opportunity for this market to be an

attractive market for people to bring capital and

deploy capital, as well as 20 million individuals

that are wanting to be sure that someone is looking

out for them.

How do you manage that balancing act? How do

you see the balancing act.

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: First of all, the two

functions you're talking about are not mutually

exclusive, they're not inconsistent. One can have

concurrently, at the same time, both a vigorous

market, an optimum market, a maximum market; while

concurrently, from a regulatory standpoint,

bringing all of the tools to bear on errant

behavior and assuring that insurers, as they go

about their business, are, in fact, toeing the

line.

Insurance is the only product sold in the U.S.

market in which the vendor, namely the insurance

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company, gets the money from the consumer, called

the policyholder, before delivering the product;

and the product is paying the claim. And all kinds

of mischief can happen in that process.

So I'm confident of my abilities to

concurrently attract the most vigorous market but

concurrently function in a proactive way in terms

of protecting consumer rights. I'd cite along

those lines the Unclaimed Property Bill that I was

the sponsor of and moved through the House. And

thanks, CFO, for your work on that and to OIR.

That bill assures that a half billion dollars

of life benefits are paid to our consumers, and

another quarter billion, at least, will be paid on

a go-forward basis. So I'm very comfortable

walking that fine line, and walking that fine line

does not require inconsistent behavior.

CFO ATWATER: You're familiar with personal

injury protection?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: I am.

CFO ATWATER: So we worked hard. That whole

initiative was about the consumer, that and runaway

costs that were occurring, all being backed,

embedded into the next rate increase to be sure

that they were getting and handling the loss costs

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that those insurers were putting -- tolerating,

accepting with doing business; and after all that,

very little change for the consumer.

The key is, and it was mentioned earlier, we

did arrest 40% increases two years in a row prior.

We certainly had anticipated that all of that

effort would extract certain costs that, again, I

want to say that the consumer would have looked at

as a benefit that would have -- we anticipated

greater relief to the consumer.

Is PIP worth trying to fix again, or is it

time the consumer gets an opportunity to look at

something different?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: I co-sponsored the 2013

bill that put in fixes in PIP. I want to

compliment your team for continuing to ferret out

fraud in the area of PIP.

I filed this year a bill to junk PIP. I

believe that its time has come and gone. I think

we need to look at better patterns. Forty-five

other states have mandatory bodily injury property

damage coverage. I think that's a more appropriate

approach. There's pretty strong data to support

that, so that would be a direction worthy of

consideration, obviously as consistent with the

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appetite of the Legislature.

CFO ATWATER: Representative, we are

constantly working on the issues that are in front

of us, PIP as being one of those, life insurance

was one of those. We've talked earlier today in

this Cabinet meeting about reinsurance and the

Cat Fund.

Is there something that's not on the radar

screen that you've looked at, thought about,

wondered about, that maybe it should start moving

up on the agenda so it doesn't catch us by

surprise?

REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: We've discussed many of

the issues. Obviously homeowners, continuing to

assure that market is vigorous, and getting ready

for Katrina 2. Katrina 2 is coming, we just don't

know the day. Nobody has called us up and given us

the date, so we need to be prepared. We need to

make sure that we're girded both in terms of our

insurers we regulate, OIR, and et cetera, so I

would cite that.

My position on Citizens, continuing to walk

down the size of Citizens is well known. I think

we need to continue to walk down the Cat Fund,

consistent with Executive Director Williams'

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comments to you earlier in the day.

Those are -- issues in the workers'

compensation area, we've got three decisions

forthcoming from the Supreme Court of Florida, and

if those go the wrong way, any one of those, those

will be an immediate tax on workers' compensation

insurance. Workers' compensation rates are down

50% from 2003, thanks in part to your work in the

Legislature at that time. So we need to be

prepared immediately if there are challenges

relating to workers' comp.

Medical malpractice, there's also an item up

before the Florida Supreme Court as well in

connection with our caps.

CFO ATWATER: Thank you.


REPRESENTATIVE HAGER: Thank you.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: So does anybody have any

thoughts?

CFO ATWATER: Well, Governor, I would say,

once again, we've had two very professional,

competent, very competent, talented people step

forward. And of that original application

grouping, I feel that this is some of the two most

talented insurance minds I've had a chance to be

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around.

If -- there may be others who want to say

something. I'll try to be quicker on the draw this

time around, but out of courtesy, I'll hold off and

just make those comments for now.

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Well, this time you

two have to agree, so it's nice to be in

Switzerland for a few minutes and see if I think

the two of you come to consensus before -- I mean

I --

CFO ATWATER: Governor, might I?

I'd like to make a motion that the position of

the Commissioner of Insurance Regulation be

extended to Representative Bill Hager, with a

salary of $190,000.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: And so I won't second it. I

think what we ought to do is, because I don't think

we're going to come -- I'm not going to come to

agreement right now -- is we ought to open it up.

We've got another month, a little over a

month, open up the -- until we see if we get more

applications. Let's do it through maybe the middle

of April. I think our next meeting is -- let's

check with Kristin -- is April 26th and see if we

can come to agreement on the 26th.

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Does that work for everybody?

ATTORNEY GENERAL BONDI: Sure.

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Okay. So we open up the

application through April 15th, and then we'll all

come back and have a discussion on the 26th.

CFO ATWATER: Governor, that would be open it

up for consideration for applicants to put their

name in the hat?

GOVERNOR SCOTT: Right. Yeah, see if we have

somebody new.

All right. That adjourns the meeting. Our

next meeting is April 26th in Tallahassee.

(WHEREUPON, THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED).

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CERTIFICATE

STATE OF FLORIDA )COUNTY OF LEON )

I, NANCY S. METZKE, RPR, FPR, certify that Iwas authorized to and did stenographically report theforegoing proceedings and that the transcript is a trueand complete record of my stenographic notes.

DATED this 7th day of April, 2016.

_________________________

NANCY S. METZKE, RPR, FPRCourt Reporter

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$1,200 [1] - 237:22

$15,000 [1] - 237:20

$150,000 [1] - 252:1

$190,000 [1] - 299:15

$200 [1] - 259:4

$600 [1] - 229:22

'

'80s [1] - 158:8

'90s [1] - 158:9

1

1 [4] - 117:2, 117:11,

168:7, 259:18

1,250 [2] - 158:20,

162:17

1,500 [2] - 259:3,

282:16

10 [5] - 125:16,

152:24, 153:15,

153:23

10% [1] - 265:22

100 [1] - 222:2

102 [1] - 214:17

103 [1] - 214:18

105 [1] - 214:19

11 [4] - 193:19,

194:11, 194:17,

194:23

110 [1] - 214:12

117 [1] - 115:16

11th [2] - 214:11,

257:9

12 [11] - 152:9,

153:16, 153:20,

157:12, 158:3,

194:23, 197:11,

198:19, 199:2,

200:10, 226:14

12,000 [1] - 160:6

12-year [1] - 156:16

120 [2] - 151:17,

182:17

12th [2] - 154:5,

261:8

13 [5] - 142:6, 142:9,

242:11, 269:7

130 [1] - 234:20

13th [1] - 117:12

14 [19] - 121:24,

134:24, 138:24,

139:3, 154:9, 165:5,

165:22, 168:8, 173:6,

173:16, 173:22,

174:4, 174:7, 174:12,

175:25, 177:24,

194:5, 194:12, 205:19

15 [5] - 197:11,

220:24, 222:21,

223:1, 285:18

15th [1] - 300:4

16 [3] - 135:11,

136:2, 257:14

187 [1] - 115:18

1920s [1] - 156:23

1960s [1] - 156:24

1970's [1] - 175:23

1971 [1] - 177:10

2

2 [6] - 114:7, 117:23,

229:22, 245:25,

297:16

20 [8] - 136:25,

150:16, 216:2, 216:3,

226:15, 270:4, 288:1,

294:9

20% [1] - 265:23

200 [1] - 264:12

200,000 [1] - 282:7

2000s [1] - 158:9

2002 [1] - 281:15

2003 [1] - 298:8

2004 [1] - 157:22

2007 [1] - 215:24

2008 [3] - 158:12,

159:8, 222:4

2013 [2] - 138:5,

296:14

2014 [1] - 117:12

2015 [2] - 142:6,

142:9

2016 [3] - 114:14,

187:12, 301:7

2017 [1] - 199:12

2018 [1] - 191:25

2040 [2] - 140:18,

140:20

215 [1] - 115:22

226 [1] - 115:23

234 [1] - 115:24

24 [2] - 210:13, 212:1

241 [1] - 115:25

25 [7] - 137:2,

140:18, 140:20,

141:4, 159:10,

160:11, 160:16

250 [1] - 155:8

258 [1] - 116:6

25th [2] - 214:11,

257:8

26th [4] - 299:24,

299:25, 300:5, 300:12

280 [1] - 116:7

29 [1] - 114:14

3

3 [1] - 118:2

30 [2] - 141:1, 271:17

300 [1] - 278:14

3093 [1] - 114:22

31 [1] - 226:20

32 [1] - 115:8

32315-3093 [1] -

114:23

35 [1] - 115:10

36 [1] - 190:10

365 [2] - 174:7,

177:25

373 [1] - 184:17

3rd [1] - 187:11

4

4 [1] - 156:17

40 [3] - 141:2, 144:2,

281:24

40% [1] - 296:5

400 [2] - 155:7,

283:23

403 [1] - 184:17

403.059 [1] - 123:13

403.412 [1] - 184:16

403.509 [1] - 123:13

435 [1] - 260:8

475 [1] - 237:5

48 [2] - 210:13, 212:1

4H [1] - 283:24

5

5 [3] - 115:4, 118:2,

156:17

5,100 [1] - 236:8

5.11 [1] - 139:4

50 [1] - 140:25

50% [1] - 298:8

52 [1] - 257:15

55 [1] - 257:10

59 [1] - 115:12

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6,000 [1] - 174:12

60 [1] - 128:19

61 [1] - 128:19

62-17.211 [1] - 126:2

63 [4] - 125:2, 126:9,

151:5, 151:14

64 [4] - 126:9, 151:5,

151:14, 181:4

697-8314 [1] - 114:23

697-8715 [1] - 114:23

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7 [1] - 146:2

7,000 [1] - 234:16

72 [1] - 129:10

74 [1] - 141:14

7th [1] - 301:7

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800-pound [1] -

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85% [1] - 262:9

850 [2] - 114:23

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90 [2] - 159:6, 166:12

93 [1] - 115:14

94 [1] - 214:17

95% [2] - 264:14,

291:23

A

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295:5

ability [7] - 124:25,

151:15, 195:24,

217:11, 220:3, 225:8,

230:18

able [16] - 120:25,

127:15, 156:16,

195:6, 201:6, 215:13,

223:25, 226:7,

241:15, 254:12,

259:16, 274:11,

275:5, 278:10,

278:18, 288:8

absence [1] - 254:24

absolutely [8] -

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183:18, 183:20,

201:3, 201:16, 205:2,

270:21

abuse [1] - 230:22

Academy [1] - 281:2

accelerates [1] -

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accept [2] - 119:17,

239:6

accepted [3] -

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181:22

accepting [1] - 296:2

access [1] - 263:7

accessible [1] -

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accompanied [1] -

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accomplish [2] -

197:12, 199:6

accomplished [3] -

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accomplishing [1] -

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accomplishments

[1] - 278:21

account [1] - 291:6

accountability [1] -

220:10

accountable [1] -

274:9

accounting [6] -

228:5, 228:21,

229:15, 232:18,

254:25, 282:17

accounts [1] - 231:3

accuracy [1] -

274:10

accurate [3] - 180:5,

235:11, 285:11

Accurint [1] - 230:19

achieve [5] - 200:10,

200:11, 239:18,

276:6, 276:7

achievement [1] -

278:17

achieving [1] - 250:8

ACI [29] - 123:15,

123:20, 124:1, 124:2,

124:20, 124:24,

125:7, 125:25,

126:19, 127:15,

127:17, 128:10,

128:12, 128:22,

129:1, 129:10,

129:11, 129:13,

129:16, 129:20,

130:14, 132:11,

143:12, 144:16,

154:21, 156:2, 175:9,

180:22, 182:3

aCI's [1] - 181:17

ACI's [13] - 127:2,

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139:25, 142:13,

180:3, 180:7

acknowledge [2] -

125:4, 169:22

acquire [1] - 157:13

acquired [1] - 275:25

acre [1] - 160:12

Act [11] - 118:1,

123:24, 131:17,

151:18, 261:23,

262:2, 262:5, 262:7,

262:21, 286:6, 292:13

act [10] - 159:14,

221:3, 238:22,

269:23, 270:2, 271:5,

272:17, 294:3,

294:12, 294:13

acting [1] - 121:19

action [5] - 191:15,

199:18, 236:4, 292:22

actions [3] - 159:13,

159:22, 168:15

active [4] - 216:7,

216:9, 261:15, 267:12

actively [1] - 265:6

activities [6] -

157:12, 165:13,

169:23, 196:1, 205:1,

205:7

activity [1] - 166:12

actors [2] - 292:24,

293:1

acts [1] - 259:23

actual [3] - 165:8,

176:14, 265:24

actuarial [2] -

282:17, 287:22

actuaries [2] -

265:15, 265:17

Actuaries [1] - 281:2

ADAM [1] - 114:12

adamant [1] - 192:11

add [15] - 120:8,

134:24, 135:4, 135:5,

135:19, 138:24,

161:11, 162:14,

162:20, 176:23,

177:3, 184:11,

204:16, 205:3, 230:9

added [2] - 138:25,

182:1

adding [2] - 144:12,

178:9

addition [6] - 122:22,

154:9, 162:5, 175:25,

260:15, 293:8

additional [10] -

122:23, 150:21,

164:23, 168:24,

171:5, 172:16, 176:1,

202:15, 208:12,

208:14

address [9] - 125:4,

144:8, 158:5, 163:10,

181:9, 187:9, 209:6,

209:24, 219:15

addressed [1] -

123:3

addressing [2] -

123:20, 273:22

adds [2] - 181:23,

202:15

adequately [2] -

129:22, 159:19

adjacent [1] - 137:23

ADJOURNED) [1] -

300:13

adjourns [1] - 300:11

adjudication [1] -

193:13

administer [1] -

216:17

administration [4] -

192:1, 194:9, 263:25,

264:5

ADMINISTRATION

[2] - 115:9, 115:11

administrations [1] -

291:4

Administrative [30] -

119:16, 122:16,

122:17, 122:19,

124:4, 127:23,

129:21, 131:11,

131:23, 137:13,

138:14, 141:11,

142:4, 144:17,

145:18, 145:21,

146:3, 146:4, 146:23,

151:7, 151:18,

151:21, 159:15,

161:25, 178:11,

180:14, 181:1, 183:7,

184:9, 185:16

administrative [13] -

121:8, 122:12, 126:5,

142:19, 144:22,

150:16, 151:9, 153:1,

153:8, 153:9, 161:7,

184:6, 184:22

admittedly [1] -

155:11

adopt [7] - 131:25,

179:25, 182:19,

182:24, 182:25,

185:7, 210:2

adoption [4] -

118:25, 129:23,

180:19, 180:20

adopts [1] - 123:5

adult [1] - 201:6

adults [1] - 238:22

advance [1] - 224:16

advanced [1] -

137:10

advertised [2] -

214:11, 257:8

advice [3] - 171:3,

198:21, 285:9

advise [3] - 118:18,

120:23, 165:24

advised [6] - 146:24,

150:20, 155:5, 179:7,

179:9, 220:22

advisory [1] - 118:16

advocate [2] -

147:13, 273:16

Advocate [2] -

220:17, 220:21

AFFAIRS [1] - 115:5

Affairs [1] - 131:1

affect [2] - 123:8,

123:11

affected [1] - 125:23

affects [1] - 156:15

Affordable [6] -

261:23, 262:2, 262:5,

262:7, 262:21, 286:6

affordable [2] -

287:12, 287:15

afternoon [14] -

118:8, 118:9, 130:21,

130:22, 132:12,

132:13, 156:3, 156:4,

163:4, 163:5, 196:9,

210:15, 226:4, 234:3

ag [1] - 158:20

age [3] - 192:18,

194:13, 215:12

Agencies [1] -

126:16

agencies [7] -

131:14, 157:11,

224:23, 225:9,

226:19, 231:23,

231:25

Agency [5] - 218:23,

235:4, 235:9, 242:6,

245:7

agency [3] - 231:18,

241:21, 248:22

agency's [1] - 231:19

agenda [6] - 117:8,

117:10, 123:3, 186:8,

191:25, 297:11

agents [1] - 271:13

ago [6] - 193:3,

194:23, 210:25,

227:23, 269:7, 272:1

agree [25] - 125:7,

125:25, 128:13,

129:6, 131:5, 145:18,

146:12, 149:6, 154:1,

172:1, 182:6, 183:22,

183:24, 184:2, 185:1,

198:13, 203:13,

211:21, 271:9,

271:10, 271:11,

271:12, 271:13,

271:14, 299:7

agreed [10] - 122:22,

126:18, 168:12,

176:25, 188:24,

208:21, 211:15,

211:17, 211:22, 272:3

agreement [6] -

149:2, 168:16,

171:21, 176:6,

299:19, 299:25

agrees [2] - 119:19,

168:13

agriculture [2] -

138:9, 157:3

AGRICULTURE [1] -

114:12

ahead [5] - 130:6,

130:7, 228:1, 228:3,

294:2

Aides [2] - 214:14,

257:12

Aides' [1] - 132:18

aligned [1] - 281:9

ALJ [23] - 119:12,

120:15, 120:21,

121:8, 121:12,

123:21, 124:1,

124:11, 124:23,

125:2, 127:11,

128:22, 129:8,

129:11, 137:11,

144:5, 147:15, 148:8,

149:10, 178:17,

182:6, 182:16, 185:22

ALJ's [10] - 118:25,

119:16, 123:5, 128:1,

128:10, 128:19,

142:9, 143:23,

165:15, 185:8

allegation [1] -

275:20

allegations [2] -

142:13, 182:5

alleged [1] - 142:13

Allison [1] - 210:16

allocation [3] -

174:19, 178:3, 290:4

allow [4] - 143:14,

174:18, 205:12, 263:7

allowed [7] - 126:16,

174:15, 175:23,

176:5, 204:17,

228:17, 266:6

allows [1] - 265:20

almost [9] - 134:7,

147:1, 150:6, 195:1,

206:8, 227:16,

227:23, 229:21,

269:18


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alone [6] - 159:12,

162:19, 189:24,

191:24, 245:25, 278:9

alternatives [1] -

177:18

ameliorative [1] -

155:10

amenable [1] -

285:20

amendment [1] -

181:3

amendments [1] -

185:10

America [1] - 268:23

American [2] -

268:23, 281:2

amount [5] - 136:7,

218:14, 222:16,

280:10, 289:13

analysis [2] - 272:5,

290:24

ancillary [3] - 121:2,

125:12, 181:14

AND [5] - 114:4,

115:20, 116:4, 214:2,

257:2

Andy [2] - 132:10,

132:15

anecdotal [1] -

289:18

ankle [1] - 190:17

annual [1] - 209:18

annually [1] - 209:24

answer [18] - 132:2,

156:9, 164:1, 171:8,

220:3, 239:8, 247:2,

247:4, 247:7, 249:6,

249:10, 250:21,

252:22, 253:13,

268:10, 282:10,

290:12

answered [2] -

156:7, 223:16

answers [2] - 224:5,

273:21

anti [1] - 255:2

anti-lawyer [1] -

255:2

anticipated [2] -

296:6, 296:9

anyhow [1] - 228:21

AO [1] - 160:15

apart [1] - 260:9

apparatuses [1] -

283:24

appeal [1] - 171:8

appealable [2] -

170:14, 170:16

appealed [1] -

170:19

appearing [1] -

157:19

appellate [1] - 171:9

appetite [1] - 297:1

APPLAUSE) [1] -

256:8

applicable [2] -

128:20, 131:14

applicant [2] -

268:15, 293:5

applicants [2] -

268:9, 300:7

application [11] -

119:24, 122:13,

122:16, 125:10,

126:5, 151:8, 151:13,

157:25, 286:1,

298:23, 300:4

applications [5] -

214:12, 214:13,

257:10, 299:22

applied [4] - 121:21,

214:20, 242:1, 256:11

applies [1] - 221:14

apply [7] - 168:1,

190:2, 190:18,

190:23, 221:13,

221:16, 221:22

applying [1] - 217:1

appoint [1] - 251:23

appointed [1] - 289:3

APPOINTMENT [4] -

115:20, 116:4, 214:2,

257:2

appointment [2] -

214:7, 257:6

appraisal [1] - 240:2

appraiser [2] -

230:15, 235:21

Appraiser [2] -

236:19, 236:21

appraiser's [1] -

234:20

Appraisers [1] -

223:18

appraisers [7] -

223:8, 223:21, 224:1,

230:12, 230:17,

235:6, 236:25

appraisers' [1] -

235:24

appreciate [10] -

164:4, 167:6, 168:4,

168:5, 169:7, 186:11,

200:5, 202:6, 215:9,

280:7

approach [8] - 233:1,

241:23, 242:24,

268:4, 273:14,

274:19, 289:11,

296:23

appropriate [6] -

141:21, 185:7, 197:6,

238:21, 269:19,

296:22

approval [9] -

122:21, 130:4,

131:24, 141:18,

152:2, 158:12,

163:13, 179:7, 179:23

approve [12] -

117:15, 118:12,

120:4, 120:5, 120:6,

131:12, 145:5,

151:23, 182:10

approved [11] -

121:21, 123:7,

129:13, 153:11,

154:21, 161:4, 173:8,

173:12, 180:1, 205:6,

262:3

approving [1] -

117:24

April [6] - 206:1,

299:23, 299:24,

300:4, 300:12, 301:7

Aquifer [1] - 133:6

aquifer [16] - 133:7,

133:8, 133:10,

134:18, 135:9, 136:2,

136:3, 136:6, 139:12,

157:22, 158:5,

159:11, 160:12,

161:14, 173:16, 175:4

arbitrator [1] -

280:25

area [7] - 127:7,

137:1, 164:6, 273:9,

273:10, 296:17, 298:3

areas [2] - 221:8,

280:24

arena [1] - 249:11

arenas [1] - 289:6

argue [2] - 129:1,

177:22

argued [4] - 147:14,

153:11, 178:16,

243:17

argues [2] - 127:17,

128:24

argument [1] -

129:15

arising [1] - 286:20

arrangement [1] -

202:19

arrest [18] - 190:10,

198:19, 199:17,

200:10, 201:1,

202:15, 204:7, 204:9,

204:16, 204:25,

206:9, 206:10,

206:15, 206:18,

207:25, 208:12,

208:15, 296:5

arrested [1] - 206:6

arrests [1] - 190:11

articulating [1] -

284:15

aspect [2] - 184:8,

268:22

aspects [1] - 263:3

aspirational [1] -

272:9

assess [3] - 219:2,

266:8, 289:9

assignment [1] -

289:10

assistance [3] -

147:3, 231:8, 231:21

associated [1] -

163:15

Association [3] -

222:24, 223:18,

223:22

associations [1] -

230:5

assume [4] - 130:14,

145:20, 162:3, 170:1

assuming [1] - 205:6

assure [3] - 290:14,

292:15, 297:15

assures [1] - 295:12

assuring [2] -

284:17, 294:21

Atlantic [5] - 123:1,

123:21, 132:16,

156:12, 157:1

atmosphere [1] -

261:14

atop [1] - 133:6

attack [1] - 144:19

attempt [1] - 265:12

attempting [1] -

157:20

Attorney [15] -

130:12, 147:7, 150:1,

171:15, 176:22,

194:2, 207:22,

215:10, 222:11,

236:17, 241:9, 244:8,

244:21, 261:19,

285:23

attorney [9] - 132:15,

164:5, 166:4, 167:17,

171:9, 175:9, 177:1,

188:1, 244:2

ATTORNEY [134] -

114:10, 117:18,

120:8, 121:9, 130:13,

145:15, 147:9,

147:12, 147:17,

147:20, 147:24,

148:2, 148:22,

148:25, 149:4,

149:14, 149:18,

154:4, 161:23, 162:3,

162:7, 162:21,

164:16, 164:20,

171:17, 173:1,

176:24, 177:5,

178:15, 178:21,

178:24, 179:2, 179:4,

179:9, 179:18, 183:3,

183:9, 183:11,

183:16, 183:19,

183:21, 184:1,

185:11, 185:20,

186:2, 186:12, 188:7,

188:11, 188:15,

190:14, 191:17,

191:20, 194:3,

195:21, 198:6, 199:7,

200:20, 201:3, 201:5,

201:9, 201:17,

202:21, 203:9,

203:22, 204:3, 204:6,

204:14, 204:20,

204:23, 205:2, 205:8,

206:3, 206:5, 206:11,

206:20, 206:24,

207:9, 208:7, 208:11,

208:20, 210:10,

210:16, 210:22,

211:1, 211:5, 211:18,

212:4, 212:7, 212:16,

212:20, 213:11,

213:13, 222:12,

222:15, 222:23,

223:15, 228:1, 228:4,

228:11, 228:22,

229:2, 231:2, 236:18,

237:9, 238:3, 243:7,

243:20, 244:9,

245:13, 246:12,

252:2, 252:6, 252:15,

253:7, 253:12,

253:18, 255:2, 255:5,

255:7, 261:20,

262:17, 262:20,

262:24, 263:13,

275:10, 275:13,

277:1, 285:24,

287:10, 287:14,

287:21, 288:15,

299:6, 300:2

attorneys [4] -

176:14, 183:22,

187:15, 245:19

attract [2] - 283:4,

295:6

attractive [1] - 294:8


3

Atwater [2] - 215:11,

241:9

ATWATER [42] -

114:11, 164:3,

164:13, 164:21,

166:2, 166:4, 166:20,

167:6, 167:8, 167:11,

167:14, 169:4,

169:22, 170:4, 170:7,

170:9, 171:14, 200:3,

200:5, 202:1, 208:21,

224:10, 232:6,

239:11, 250:3, 250:7,

251:15, 252:11,

252:16, 255:19,

255:23, 269:16,

271:22, 273:15,

293:25, 295:18,

295:21, 297:2,

298:15, 298:20,

299:11, 300:6

Atwater's [1] -

223:25

audit [4] - 221:23,

237:13, 237:15,

292:16

auditing [1] - 227:5

authorities [2] -

205:12, 209:25

authority [3] -

118:12, 142:10,

161:11

authorization [1] -

121:24

authorize [2] -

123:15, 165:10

authorized [3] -

118:22, 141:23, 301:5

auto [2] - 271:23,

273:5

automatically [1] -

204:9

available [6] - 130:5,

189:4, 213:5, 221:11,

286:22, 292:10

awake [1] - 231:5

aware [4] - 221:12,

263:21, 286:5, 286:15

B

backbone [1] - 233:3

backed [1] - 295:23

background [21] -

122:4, 132:22,

136:25, 215:18,

216:12, 235:17,

235:18, 241:6,

241:20, 243:16,

246:9, 254:12,

254:25, 263:17,

269:11, 273:19,

278:6, 280:21, 286:3,

286:13, 286:18

backgrounds [1] -

256:14

bad [1] - 292:24

bake [2] - 271:19,

271:20

balance [6] - 221:24,

229:18, 229:20,

270:12, 270:18,

270:19

balancing [7] -

269:23, 270:2, 271:5,

272:17, 294:3,

294:12, 294:13

balloon [2] - 139:20

bar [1] - 201:7

barriers [1] - 225:8

base [3] - 223:7,

275:6, 276:3

based [19] - 121:1,

121:6, 125:3, 131:6,

161:3, 161:5, 196:20,

196:21, 197:3, 197:9,

198:22, 226:11,

265:24, 266:6, 267:7,

268:5, 276:9, 281:4,

292:16

basic [1] - 229:1

basis [7] - 139:8,

242:22, 260:3, 287:7,

290:9, 295:15

Bay [5] - 133:15,

133:16, 134:18,

157:22, 161:18

beach [2] - 157:2,

157:4

beach-compatible

[2] - 157:2, 157:4

bear [2] - 144:2,

294:20

became [1] - 258:15

become [1] - 262:6

becomes [3] - 159:3,

268:1, 271:4

begin [3] - 202:18,

271:1, 272:10

behalf [5] - 121:19,

220:20, 221:1,

221:25, 242:7

behavior [4] -

197:21, 286:16,

294:21, 295:17

behind [2] - 173:15,

247:15

belief [1] - 208:5

believes [1] - 166:7

below [2] - 119:8,

133:19

bending [1] - 292:8

beneath [1] - 133:15

benefit [5] - 165:17,

165:18, 263:9,

289:10, 296:9

benefits [10] - 262:7,

262:10, 262:16,

263:8, 264:21,

265:18, 272:7, 272:8,

272:20, 295:13

best [11] - 188:18,

198:20, 226:22,

236:6, 240:14, 261:9,

261:17, 261:25,

270:4, 281:7, 290:22

better [15] - 140:7,

160:22, 169:13,

170:25, 171:11,

203:15, 218:4, 218:5,

227:14, 232:2,

251:12, 261:16,

275:2, 285:9, 296:20

between [4] -

123:19, 127:18,

173:25, 192:15

beyond [1] - 181:12

biased [1] - 121:2

BIEGALSKI [11] -

241:1, 241:8, 243:9,

243:23, 244:15,

245:23, 246:18,

248:23, 250:6,

250:13, 251:17

Biegalski [4] -

115:25, 214:19,

241:3, 251:24

big [11] - 155:11,

160:1, 160:2, 161:5,

228:24, 235:25,

261:12, 275:16,

282:13, 288:4

big-picture [1] -

228:24

bigger [1] - 275:6

biggest [1] - 198:4

BILL [1] - 280:1

bill [5] - 237:4,

285:25, 295:12,

296:15, 296:18

Bill [7] - 116:7,

221:9, 221:16,

257:16, 280:4, 295:9,

299:14

billion [6] - 139:4,

229:22, 236:5,

245:25, 295:12,

295:14

billion-dollar [1] -

236:5

binding [2] - 168:22,

168:24

biology [1] - 228:14

Biscayne [7] - 133:6,

133:15, 133:16,

134:18, 157:22,

161:18, 173:24

bit [13] - 119:2,

122:2, 123:18, 156:8,

168:2, 193:6, 244:23,

246:8, 250:19,

258:23, 258:25,

263:15, 275:18

blank [2] - 278:8,

278:18

blasted [2] - 134:3,

134:5

blessed [1] - 213:13

blood [1] - 266:24

board [2] - 259:23,

285:18

Board [38] - 117:8,

117:10, 117:12,

118:11, 118:17,

119:3, 121:19,

124:25, 126:11,

129:6, 141:11,

141:22, 141:23,

142:10, 142:16,

143:11, 143:25,

145:5, 150:19,

151:11, 155:5,

160:18, 161:10,

173:12, 178:12,

184:3, 185:4, 185:5,

186:7, 188:12, 191:5,

191:7, 191:12,

191:14, 195:12,

198:22, 208:4, 277:2

BOARD [6] - 115:9,

115:13, 115:16,

115:18, 117:4, 187:2

Board's [6] - 121:18,

126:10, 141:18,

185:14, 185:20, 187:8

boards [2] - 249:14,

249:16

bob [1] - 224:10

bodily [1] - 296:21

body [5] - 142:19,

150:14, 151:12,

153:11, 249:20

body's [1] - 147:2

BOND [1] - 115:7

BONDI [134] -

114:10, 117:18,

120:8, 121:9, 130:13,

145:15, 147:9,

147:12, 147:17,

147:20, 147:24,

148:2, 148:22,

148:25, 149:4,

149:14, 149:18,

154:4, 161:23, 162:3,

162:7, 162:21,

164:16, 164:20,

171:17, 173:1,

176:24, 177:5,

178:15, 178:21,

178:24, 179:2, 179:4,

179:9, 179:18, 183:3,

183:9, 183:11,

183:16, 183:19,

183:21, 184:1,

185:11, 185:20,

186:2, 186:12, 188:7,

188:11, 188:15,

190:14, 191:17,

191:20, 194:3,

195:21, 198:6, 199:7,

200:20, 201:3, 201:5,

201:9, 201:17,

202:21, 203:9,

203:22, 204:3, 204:6,

204:14, 204:20,

204:23, 205:2, 205:8,

206:3, 206:5, 206:11,

206:20, 206:24,

207:9, 208:7, 208:11,

208:20, 210:10,

210:16, 210:22,

211:1, 211:5, 211:18,

212:4, 212:7, 212:16,

212:20, 213:11,

213:13, 222:12,

222:15, 222:23,

223:15, 228:1, 228:4,

228:11, 228:22,

229:2, 231:2, 236:18,

237:9, 238:3, 243:7,

243:20, 244:9,

245:13, 246:12,

252:2, 252:6, 252:15,

253:7, 253:12,

253:18, 255:2, 255:5,

255:7, 261:20,

262:17, 262:20,

262:24, 263:13,

275:10, 275:13,

277:1, 285:24,

287:10, 287:14,

287:21, 288:15,

299:6, 300:2

Bondi [3] - 215:10,

241:9, 286:19

bone [1] - 169:2

bosses [1] - 176:18

bother [1] - 227:6

bottleneck [1] -

220:13


4

bottom [5] - 134:21,

135:1, 136:4, 136:5,

192:8

bound [4] - 148:7,

155:16, 172:1, 172:6

boundaries [1] -

168:20

bowels [1] - 292:15

Bowman [16] -

132:10, 132:15,

144:24, 147:10,

149:2, 149:5, 149:19,

149:22, 152:5,

155:20, 162:12,

176:25, 177:3,

178:16, 183:21,

186:12

BOWMAN [35] -

132:13, 145:1, 145:3,

145:19, 145:22,

146:1, 146:11,

147:11, 147:16,

147:19, 147:23,

149:3, 149:21,

149:25, 152:10,

152:13, 152:20,

152:25, 154:6,

154:23, 155:1, 155:7,

155:15, 155:21,

155:24, 177:4, 177:7,

178:19, 178:22,

179:1, 179:3, 179:5,

183:24, 184:2, 186:10

box [2] - 167:12,

167:17

BOX [1] - 114:22

boy [2] - 202:8,

205:17

brackish [1] - 131:8

Bragg [3] - 116:6,

257:15, 258:5

BRAGG [27] - 258:2,

258:6, 258:10, 259:1,

259:20, 260:8, 261:5,

261:25, 262:19,

262:22, 263:2,

263:21, 264:24,

265:3, 266:12,

267:14, 268:22,

270:6, 272:17,

274:13, 275:19,

277:5, 277:8, 277:11,

277:14, 277:17, 278:1

break [2] - 195:21,

225:8

Breakspear [1] -

115:4

brief [3] - 131:4,

132:22, 163:6

briefly [4] - 119:22,

126:14, 177:7, 223:15

brine [4] - 135:14,

135:16, 135:17,

135:19

bring [25] - 157:20,

159:13, 167:2,

168:19, 178:10,

205:16, 206:1,

217:10, 220:14,

221:7, 221:19, 222:1,

222:7, 225:1, 233:1,

239:19, 243:5,

261:11, 266:25,

267:8, 271:19,

288:14, 289:3, 289:4,

294:8

bringing [1] - 294:20

brings [1] - 293:5

broader [1] - 246:10

broken [1] - 244:25

brought [3] - 218:3,

237:2, 256:14

Broward [2] - 157:5,

245:15

brusque [1] - 237:15

bucket [3] - 135:14,

135:15, 135:18

budget [5] - 222:3,

222:8, 235:23, 236:5,

238:14

Budget [1] - 216:1

build [1] - 260:17

building [3] - 259:6,

260:14, 267:9

built [2] - 177:8,

239:12

bulges [1] - 139:20

bullet [1] - 144:15

burden [9] - 128:23,

129:16, 129:18,

146:7, 146:11,

146:13, 146:15,

150:18, 193:7

bureaucracy [1] -

236:6

bury [1] - 247:15

business [34] -

138:10, 156:24,

156:25, 157:2, 157:3,

157:4, 157:15, 158:6,

161:16, 213:6, 218:6,

221:4, 221:20, 227:6,

237:18, 238:1,

239:12, 265:7, 268:1,

268:23, 274:25,

275:16, 276:16,

276:23, 281:4,

284:23, 289:25,

290:2, 291:12, 293:9,

293:18, 294:22, 296:2

businesses [4] -

217:16, 221:2,

241:16, 242:14

businessmen [1] -

269:13

buzz [1] - 240:12

BY [1] - 114:18

C

Cabinet [26] - 118:9,

120:9, 121:11,

132:14, 132:18,

151:2, 156:5, 163:6,

214:14, 218:24,

225:22, 229:6,

257:12, 259:23,

259:24, 270:15,

280:20, 281:6,

281:10, 282:1, 282:4,

284:21, 286:15,

290:14, 293:9, 297:6

CABINET [3] - 114:4,

114:10, 114:15

calculated [1] -

181:21

caliber [1] - 144:15

Canal [4] - 131:8,

156:21, 156:22,

157:18

canal [47] - 122:1,

122:8, 125:6, 127:4,

132:24, 132:25,

133:9, 133:12,

133:14, 133:16,

133:25, 134:4, 134:6,

134:17, 134:21,

135:2, 135:3, 135:7,

135:10, 137:14,

137:15, 138:1,

138:15, 139:7, 139:9,

139:14, 139:18,

139:22, 140:4, 142:1,

143:9, 143:14,

143:20, 143:23,

144:7, 153:15,

154:10, 154:11,

158:2, 158:9, 158:16,

159:12, 163:15,

174:25, 175:7, 177:8

canals [1] - 153:24

candidacy [1] -

256:5

candidate [2] -

252:20, 252:23

candidates [10] -

214:15, 214:16,

214:21, 254:13,

254:15, 255:13,

255:24, 256:16,

257:13, 257:14

candnreporters.

com [1] - 114:24

cannot [12] - 119:11,

119:15, 119:18,

120:17, 127:21,

127:22, 160:23,

162:14, 167:4, 176:9,

181:11, 260:12

Cantor [2] - 160:17,

161:25

Cantor's [2] - 161:5,

172:18

capable [1] - 212:21

capacities [3] -

223:21, 239:14,

285:22

capacity [4] - 118:10,

119:6, 167:15, 254:18

capital [5] - 290:5,

290:20, 291:5, 294:8,

294:9

capitalist [1] -

269:25

CAPITOL [1] -

114:16

caps [1] - 298:14

card [1] - 248:10

Care [5] - 261:23,

262:2, 262:5, 262:7,

286:20

care [13] - 166:17,

172:5, 200:18,

241:14, 248:12,

248:13, 270:5,

274:10, 287:6,

287:14, 287:19,

288:3, 288:11

career [7] - 195:16,

239:12, 241:17,

243:3, 243:12,

273:19, 281:21

CARLOS [2] -

115:18, 187:3

Carlos [1] - 187:10

carried [2] - 243:11,

260:4

carriers [1] - 271:13

carries [2] - 117:22,

186:6

carry [2] - 259:25,

291:18

carrying [1] - 135:12

case [25] - 118:21,

122:10, 125:16,

125:18, 125:19,

126:19, 127:21,

129:18, 130:24,

131:7, 142:5, 142:7,

142:19, 143:3, 143:4,

146:11, 153:8,

187:22, 189:9, 192:5,

197:4, 197:19, 199:1,

207:3

cases [6] - 136:24,

142:22, 150:16,

153:12, 198:25, 260:3

cash [1] - 288:10

castor [1] - 157:3

casualty [1] - 281:3

Cat [2] - 297:7,

297:24

catch [1] - 297:11

caused [3] - 141:24,

144:9, 144:10

causing [4] - 157:21,

160:3, 160:19, 220:12

caution [1] - 171:1

caveat [1] - 290:17

CC [3] - 202:25,

203:17, 203:23

CCS [3] - 125:5,

160:3, 160:16

cell [1] - 198:8

cemetery [1] - 284:3

center [1] - 210:12

centers [1] - 286:24

centric [1] - 242:23

CEO [1] - 281:23

CEOs [1] - 285:19

certain [11] - 184:20,

184:24, 195:13,

217:22, 220:18,

244:21, 262:8, 270:7,

272:8, 274:25, 296:7

certainly [7] -

220:13, 227:19,

231:12, 244:3, 246:6,

252:19, 296:6

certainty [1] - 220:4

CERTIFICATE [1] -

301:1

certification [5] -

118:23, 125:4,

141:17, 141:24,

168:11

certifications [1] -

118:1

certified [2] - 142:11,

143:16

certify [1] - 301:5

cetera [2] - 288:12,

297:20

CFO [60] - 164:2,

164:3, 164:13,

164:21, 166:2, 166:4,

166:20, 167:6, 167:7,

167:8, 167:11,

167:14, 168:4, 169:4,

169:22, 170:4, 170:7,


5

170:9, 171:14,

171:17, 172:14,

200:3, 200:5, 201:25,

202:1, 208:21,

215:11, 223:25,

224:9, 224:10, 232:5,

232:6, 239:10,

239:11, 241:9,

246:13, 250:2, 250:3,

250:7, 251:15,

252:11, 252:16,

255:19, 255:22,

255:23, 263:14,

269:15, 269:16,

271:22, 273:15,

293:24, 293:25,

295:11, 295:18,

295:21, 297:2,

298:15, 298:20,

299:11, 300:6

chair [1] - 270:15

Chairman [2] -

187:17, 197:3

challenge [5] -

260:11, 260:12,

267:15, 287:19, 288:4

challenged [4] -

121:17, 122:14,

143:12, 217:9

challenger [1] -

146:12

challenger's [1] -

147:4

challenges [7] -

231:20, 250:17,

284:14, 284:15,

284:17, 286:22,

298:10

chance [3] - 199:25,

278:3, 298:25

change [15] - 119:16,

135:22, 135:23,

143:13, 143:18,

144:6, 151:4, 180:24,

182:18, 216:16,

217:12, 235:2, 267:5,

296:3

changed [6] - 143:8,

143:24, 227:1,

227:18, 227:22, 228:9

changes [6] -

124:19, 209:24,

226:10, 267:6,

289:12, 289:13

changing [3] -

151:19, 152:2, 154:10

chaperone [1] -

196:19

chapter [2] - 278:5,

278:7

Chapter [3] - 151:17,

184:17, 237:5

characteristic [1] -

269:1

charge [1] - 250:16

charged [1] - 281:20

chase [1] - 145:4

check [2] - 221:3,

299:24

checks [1] - 286:13

CHIEF [1] - 114:11

Chief [4] - 217:20,

218:2, 223:24, 224:22

chief [4] - 259:21,

281:2, 283:3, 285:17

child [8] - 192:17,

230:7, 231:11,

242:20, 242:21,

244:19, 245:5, 245:17

chloride [1] - 159:1

choice [5] - 169:12,

192:13, 192:15,

270:1, 274:2

choices [2] - 252:5,

252:7

chore [1] - 266:22

chose [1] - 150:4

chunk [1] - 235:25

church [4] - 200:22,

200:24, 201:14,

206:16

circulated [1] - 211:8

circulating [1] -

212:2

cite [2] - 295:8,

297:21

cited [1] - 142:23

Cities [1] - 222:18

citing [1] - 142:18

citizen [2] - 157:14,

157:16

Citizens [2] - 297:22,

297:23

citrus [1] - 174:8

City [4] - 137:8,

234:15, 234:16, 236:4

Civil [5] - 123:1,

123:21, 132:16,

156:12, 157:1

claim [1] - 295:3

claims [5] - 264:7,

274:9, 274:16,

278:14, 292:17

Claims [1] - 292:13

clarification [4] -

130:1, 173:21,

175:15, 180:4

CLARIFICATION [2]

- 115:18, 187:2

clarify [3] - 178:15,

189:11, 209:13

clarity [6] - 221:10,

241:25, 242:16,

245:1, 247:12, 251:6

Clark [2] - 115:14,

115:16

CLARK [10] - 117:9,

117:23, 130:18,

132:10, 156:1, 163:2,

172:22, 179:11,

179:22, 186:7

clause [1] - 205:5

clear [12] - 120:18,

125:7, 127:22,

163:11, 163:23,

165:2, 165:7, 170:22,

177:17, 209:2, 245:3,

247:1

CLEAR [1] - 230:20

clearances [1] -

269:9

clearly [4] - 124:3,

175:22, 197:10,

273:17

clemency [1] -

197:15

Clemency [14] -

187:11, 188:12,

190:1, 191:5, 191:7,

191:12, 191:14,

191:18, 191:25,

195:11, 198:15,

198:25, 204:12, 208:4

CLEMENCY [2] -

115:18, 187:2

clerk [1] - 223:8

client [3] - 138:7,

147:13, 184:5

client's [2] - 138:6,

145:8

Clinic [1] - 287:3

clock [1] - 221:3

close [5] - 198:16,

200:19, 213:5,

227:16, 242:10

closed [1] - 237:17

closely [2] - 159:13,

262:12

closer [1] - 200:7

closest [2] - 204:11,

208:4

co [1] - 296:14

co-sponsored [1] -

296:14

cocaine [4] - 193:13,

193:14, 194:16, 195:1

code [1] - 197:1

codes [1] - 291:22

collect [1] - 245:24

collected [1] -

245:24

collectors [1] - 223:9

college [1] - 228:9

collegially [1] -

285:12

combine [1] - 126:21

comfortable [3] -

217:8, 255:14, 295:15

coming [5] - 128:4,

173:22, 254:15,

255:12, 297:16

comment [2] - 121:1,

293:4

comments [8] -

117:19, 186:3, 229:5,

251:21, 252:12,

288:19, 298:1, 299:5

Commerce [1] -

271:9

Commission [5] -

187:6, 187:13,

187:21, 201:20,

212:11

COMMISSION [1] -

115:11

COMMISSIONER

[129] - 114:12, 116:5,

117:15, 152:7,

152:11, 152:14,

152:21, 154:1, 154:5,

154:20, 154:24,

155:6, 155:9, 155:18,

173:3, 173:5, 173:8,

173:15, 173:18,

174:1, 174:3, 174:6,

174:11, 174:15,

174:21, 174:23,

175:2, 175:7, 175:22,

176:3, 176:21, 181:2,

181:17, 182:23,

183:1, 183:10, 185:6,

185:18, 185:25,

192:15, 196:1,

196:22, 197:3, 197:8,

198:2, 198:20, 199:8,

199:10, 199:11,

199:13, 199:21,

199:23, 200:2,

200:12, 201:2, 201:4,

201:8, 201:16,

201:19, 203:19,

204:1, 204:13,

204:19, 204:22,

204:25, 205:3, 205:9,

205:14, 205:22,

206:10, 206:13,

206:22, 207:8,

207:11, 207:15,

207:18, 207:20,

207:21, 208:10,

208:22, 209:1, 209:8,

209:9, 209:21, 210:1,

210:7, 210:14,

210:20, 210:24,

211:2, 211:12,

211:16, 211:21,

212:14, 212:18,

212:21, 212:24,

213:3, 218:22,

222:14, 228:3, 229:4,

230:24, 232:4, 238:5,

238:8, 239:9, 246:14,

248:15, 250:1,

253:11, 254:14,

255:4, 255:6, 255:9,

255:21, 257:3,

263:15, 266:8,

267:10, 268:8,

269:14, 277:21,

278:23, 288:18,

290:23, 291:14,

293:3, 293:23

commissioner [8] -

213:1, 218:21, 229:3,

246:13, 277:20,

280:25, 286:2, 288:17

Commissioner [38] -

115:4, 152:6, 164:4,

173:4, 192:10,

192:14, 194:4,

195:23, 200:21,

201:10, 202:2,

203:14, 204:18,

206:21, 210:10,

211:19, 212:9,

212:11, 215:11,

222:13, 228:2,

230:23, 238:4,

241:10, 243:21,

247:20, 253:9, 257:6,

259:19, 263:14,

275:13, 282:19,

284:11, 284:13,

287:5, 289:17,

292:11, 299:13

Commissioner's [1]

- 259:20

commitment [2] -

229:24, 270:7

commitments [1] -

168:21

committed [1] -

163:24

committing [1] -

193:12

common [4] - 219:7,

231:22, 231:23

communicate [1] -

223:12

communicated [1] -


6

224:7

communicating [1] -

245:10

communication [11]

- 241:25, 242:17,

245:1, 245:3, 247:12,

247:22, 247:23,

248:1, 251:6, 284:18,

289:15

community [8] -

192:24, 197:5, 199:2,

200:23, 203:2,

203:16, 203:20, 218:6

commutation [6] -

187:9, 188:24,

189:14, 189:24,

190:21, 191:24

Commutation [1] -

210:6

COMMUTATION [2] -

115:18, 187:3

comp [2] - 273:9,

298:11

companies [15] -

261:11, 264:12,

267:11, 267:17,

267:23, 267:24,

268:5, 268:6, 268:25,

275:4, 278:12,

285:20, 290:4,

290:25, 292:15

company [9] -

275:22, 275:25,

276:1, 281:4, 281:23,

285:18, 292:3, 292:6,

295:1

Company's [1] -

117:25

comparability [1] -

291:24

compassionate [1] -

171:18

compatible [3] -

157:2, 157:4, 262:5

compelling [4] -

150:5, 162:4, 192:5,

202:5

compensation [5] -

251:25, 272:25,

298:3, 298:6, 298:7

competent [15] -

119:14, 120:13,

127:9, 127:25, 128:2,

148:12, 148:15,

149:8, 172:8, 172:19,

282:25, 283:1,

288:25, 298:22

competing [1] -

270:1

competition [1] -

290:21

competitive [3] -

261:15, 261:16,

267:12

complain [1] - 254:4

complaining [1] -

165:11

complaints [2] -

246:22, 253:25

complete [3] - 172:7,

206:25, 301:6

completed [1] -

191:3

completion [1] -

190:25

complex [5] -

127:13, 232:17,

246:8, 261:22, 286:9

compliance [5] -

241:25, 242:17,

245:2, 247:6, 247:7

complicated [2] -

207:14, 293:22

compliment [1] -

296:16

complimentary [1] -

269:3

comply [2] - 177:14,

230:6

compress [1] -

156:16

compromise [1] -

203:12

computer [1] - 278:9

computers [1] -

198:9

con [1] - 126:12

concentrated [1] -

233:4

concentration [1] -

181:20

concentrations [1] -

159:3

concept [2] - 249:24,

262:15

concepts [1] -

265:12

concern [3] - 202:7,

255:12, 286:7

concerned [1] -

157:16

concerted [1] -

231:24

concluded [1] -

159:8

concludes [2] -

179:11, 186:7

conclusion [10] -

124:25, 126:12,

127:15, 182:2, 183:6,

184:10, 184:12,

185:15, 185:21, 256:5

conclusions [2] -

151:14, 182:18

concurrent [2] -

190:11, 286:23

concurrently [5] -

286:23, 294:17,

294:19, 295:6, 295:7

condition [11] -

121:22, 122:22,

122:23, 129:12,

152:8, 154:5, 155:4,

162:15, 165:21,

166:16, 178:2

Condition [2] -

152:9, 152:24

conditional [6] -

188:23, 189:14,

189:24, 190:21,

190:22, 191:23

Conditional [1] -

210:6

conditions [53] -

118:1, 120:6, 123:18,

124:12, 124:13,

124:17, 125:3,

125:17, 129:2,

131:20, 141:20,

141:24, 142:11,

142:16, 144:8,

144:20, 145:6, 147:3,

150:21, 151:24,

161:11, 162:14,

163:12, 164:23,

165:1, 165:3, 165:17,

166:1, 167:24,

167:25, 168:10,

178:2, 178:6, 185:8,

188:24, 189:8,

189:14, 189:25,

190:6, 190:8, 190:12,

190:23, 190:25,

192:24, 194:11,

194:19, 195:4,

195:18, 200:25,

204:4, 207:17,

208:12, 208:14

conduct [1] - 138:9

conducted [1] -

291:23

Conference [1] -

218:9

confidence [1] -

248:11

confident [1] - 295:5

confined [2] -

200:13, 201:20

confirm [1] - 169:8

conflict [2] - 209:1,

247:10

conflicting [1] -

247:1

confusing [1] - 129:1

congratulations [1] -

256:18

Congratulations [2]

- 212:3, 256:7

Congress [1] - 260:8

connected [2] -

133:10, 263:19

connection [2] -

289:12, 298:14

consensus [6] -

252:4, 259:6, 260:14,

260:18, 267:9, 299:9

consensus-

building [3] - 259:6,

260:14, 267:9

consent [6] - 168:16,

175:17, 176:6,

176:13, 177:9, 177:16

consequences [1] -

159:21

consider [12] -

119:7, 120:11,

120:21, 164:15,

177:19, 189:16,

192:2, 192:6, 199:14,

221:19, 252:19,

259:13

consideration [12] -

117:23, 118:6, 154:3,

154:7, 170:20,

176:10, 198:3,

215:14, 218:10,

234:6, 296:25, 300:7

considered [3] -

259:16, 263:4, 272:7

considering [3] -

119:10, 152:8, 177:18

consistency [1] -

247:4

consistent [5] -

126:10, 245:8,

281:18, 296:25,

297:25

consistently [1] -

184:18

constant [1] - 267:15

constantly [6] -

240:5, 249:22, 285:8,

289:23, 297:3

constituent [1] -

248:9

constitute [1] -

170:21

constitutes [1] -

153:4

constrain [1] -

167:16

constrained [1] -

167:18

construct [1] -

265:19

construction [2] -

118:13, 177:13

constructive [1] -

291:7

consulted [1] -

270:20

consulting [2] -

270:22, 271:2

consume [1] -

160:12

consumer [16] -

260:20, 269:23,

270:14, 272:7,

272:10, 273:16,

275:2, 275:7, 295:1,

295:8, 295:22, 296:3,

296:8, 296:10, 296:12

consumers [13] -

261:18, 261:24,

272:21, 274:5,

274:15, 274:21,

274:23, 281:15,

282:7, 286:10, 292:7,

292:12, 295:13

contact [2] - 225:10,

248:5

containing [1] -

137:21

contaminant [1] -

140:3

contaminants [1] -

139:17

contaminated [1] -

159:3

context [2] - 161:1,

163:8

contingent [1] -

231:1

continually [3] -

145:11, 145:12,

262:14

continue [15] -

117:7, 120:23,

121:14, 137:16,

150:11, 160:16,

172:5, 175:20,

258:16, 261:10,

265:4, 273:24, 282:9,

289:22, 297:24

continued [2] -

158:7, 168:7

continues [3] -

137:16, 141:6, 155:1

CONTINUING [2] -

116:2, 117:2


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continuing [4] -

258:22, 296:16,

297:14, 297:22

contractors [2] -

264:3, 278:13

contracts [1] -

244:20

contradict [1] -

148:11

contradicted [1] -

128:25

contradictory [1] -

127:19

contributing [1] -

127:13

contribution [3] -

163:21, 163:24, 168:7

control [10] - 143:5,

143:7, 192:25, 197:5,

199:3, 200:23, 203:2,

203:16, 203:20, 237:2

controls [1] - 178:1

conversation [6] -

164:11, 168:1,

188:14, 240:5, 253:5,

273:18

conversations [1] -

244:6

conversion [1] -

288:9

convert [2] - 160:6,

288:11

converted [1] -

288:10

convey [1] - 244:17

conveying [1] -

245:4

conviction [1] -

196:20

convince [1] -

267:18

COO [1] - 259:25

cooks [1] - 271:18

cool [1] - 133:12

cooler [1] - 140:7

cooling [49] - 122:1,

122:8, 125:6, 127:3,

132:24, 132:25,

133:9, 133:12,

133:14, 133:16,

133:25, 134:4, 134:6,

134:17, 134:21,

135:1, 135:3, 135:7,

135:10, 137:14,

137:15, 138:1,

138:15, 139:7, 139:9,

139:14, 139:18,

139:22, 140:4, 142:1,

143:9, 143:14,

143:20, 143:23,

144:7, 153:15,

153:24, 154:10,

154:11, 158:2, 158:9,

158:16, 159:12,

163:15, 174:25,

175:7, 175:18, 177:8

Cooling [4] - 131:8,

156:20, 156:22,

157:17

cooperation [1] -

285:15

corn [1] - 283:22

corner [1] - 271:16

corners [1] - 120:13

corporation [1] -

167:20

Correct [4] - 173:17,

179:3, 191:16, 208:10

correct [32] - 120:15,

141:16, 142:18,

147:15, 147:16,

147:22, 149:11,

152:10, 161:24,

162:20, 164:16,

164:20, 174:4, 174:5,

174:13, 174:14,

174:21, 174:25,

175:6, 177:8, 177:15,

183:14, 183:18,

191:7, 191:16,

193:11, 199:21,

199:23, 200:2, 209:7,

284:25, 285:3

corrected [1] - 229:8

cost [2] - 272:9,

272:20

costs [4] - 272:6,

295:23, 295:25, 296:7

Council [1] - 234:16

counsel [2] - 254:18,

281:1

Counsel [2] - 118:4,

118:15

count [2] - 192:22,

255:20

counted [1] - 235:23

Counties [3] -

222:23, 222:25,

223:22

counties [1] - 244:21

countries [1] -

226:20

country [2] - 226:19,

226:22

COUNTY [1] - 301:3

County [10] - 138:17,

138:18, 156:19,

157:5, 157:6, 157:16,

158:5, 168:17, 177:16

couple [7] - 235:25,

239:13, 247:24,

272:1, 277:17,

292:18, 294:1

coupled [1] - 160:15

course [5] - 134:2,

240:6, 243:2, 261:21,

272:6

Court [5] - 207:17,

273:8, 298:4, 298:13,

301:11

COURT [1] - 114:18

court [1] - 269:7

courtesy [1] - 299:4

courtroom [1] -

203:25

courts [2] - 223:8,

272:22

cover [1] - 269:22

coverage [6] - 263:1,

272:19, 274:16,

286:21, 286:25,

296:22

Craig [8] - 118:4,

118:8, 119:25,

147:25, 148:2, 149:7,

169:9, 182:9

create [8] - 216:25,

220:9, 223:13,

261:11, 261:13,

263:24, 269:21, 273:2

created [3] - 146:19,

161:14, 278:19

creating [5] - 139:2,

198:12, 270:3,

273:22, 294:7

creative [1] - 288:6

crime [2] - 192:16,

194:15

criminal [2] - 197:9,

198:23

criteria [9] - 123:14,

123:23, 124:4, 124:7,

124:8, 128:15,

128:21, 131:16,

165:16

criticism [2] -

293:12, 293:15

criticisms [1] -

268:20

crucial [1] - 240:5

Cunningham [3] -

130:19, 130:23, 143:2

CUNNINGHAM [2] -

130:22, 132:9

cure [1] - 152:19

curious [2] - 166:15,

200:8

current [9] - 123:17,

135:25, 141:20,

216:15, 216:24,

218:2, 224:21, 225:13

customer [3] - 223:7,

242:18, 242:23

customer-centric [1]

- 242:23

customers [8] -

242:6, 242:19,

242:20, 242:21,

242:23, 242:25,

247:1, 247:18

cut [3] - 133:5,

145:4, 198:15

D

Dade [11] - 138:17,

138:18, 156:19,

157:5, 157:16, 158:4,

168:17, 168:22,

176:7, 177:16, 230:15

daily [4] - 260:3,

266:22, 287:6, 290:9

damage [4] - 138:10,

145:9, 151:24, 296:22

damaged [1] -

138:11

damaging [1] -

146:20

dangerous [1] -

172:3

data [2] - 159:10,

296:23

date [2] - 189:16,

297:18

DATE [1] - 114:14

DATED [1] - 301:7

daughter [5] -

192:19, 193:8, 195:7,

195:25, 205:7

days [14] - 152:18,

161:6, 161:24, 162:8,

172:12, 219:4,

220:15, 222:2, 227:2,

228:13, 236:12,

246:17, 247:14

days' [1] - 216:19

DBPR [8] - 242:9,

243:1, 243:5, 245:22,

246:2, 249:14,

253:22, 253:25

DCF [1] - 231:22

deal [10] - 127:3,

128:9, 136:8, 146:4,

156:6, 217:24,

242:22, 242:25,

284:16, 289:1

dealing [6] - 118:21,

217:17, 242:5,

244:19, 284:20, 287:8

deals [7] - 128:25,

153:15, 153:16,

153:24, 154:2, 154:15

dealt [3] - 126:24,

153:8, 289:16

death [1] - 263:9

debating [1] - 171:2

December [1] -

191:25

decide [2] - 199:18,

289:8

decided [2] - 278:14,

278:15

decision [24] - 119:3,

119:16, 119:17,

121:3, 127:1, 128:6,

156:14, 159:23,

166:25, 171:6,

173:14, 184:24,

191:5, 234:12,

234:13, 240:16,

248:20, 259:9,

259:14, 259:15,

260:25, 270:23,

271:2, 271:3

decision-making [1]

- 173:14

decisionmaking [3] -

167:2, 170:2, 170:23

decisions [10] -

238:21, 238:23,

260:21, 270:22,

270:25, 271:1, 290:4,

291:5, 298:3

decisiveness [1] -

289:4

decline [1] - 207:10

declined [1] - 276:9

decree [3] - 175:17,

177:9, 177:16

dedicated [1] -

232:19

deemed [1] - 126:18

deep [3] - 122:6,

131:10, 164:11

defend [1] - 143:6

defendant [5] -

188:17, 188:25,

189:9, 190:7, 192:3

defer [3] - 119:18,

176:14, 196:5

deference [1] - 223:2

deferral [1] - 119:20

definitively [1] -

159:15

degree [8] - 193:25,

216:7, 219:21, 228:5,

228:14, 228:21,

229:15, 281:5

delay [1] - 119:18

DELGADO [2] -


8

115:18, 187:3

Delgado [3] - 187:10,

187:14, 187:23

delineated [2] -

136:25, 137:6

deliver [2] - 274:9,

291:11

delivering [1] - 295:2

delivers [1] - 290:21

demeanor [1] - 150:3

demonstrating [1] -

159:1

denied [1] - 146:8

dense [1] - 136:6

DEP [19] - 118:4,

118:16, 118:17,

131:22, 136:20,

137:19, 138:8,

141:15, 145:12,

155:12, 158:4,

159:18, 160:9, 161:3,

168:24, 169:6, 173:5,

180:10, 185:10

DEP's [3] - 144:22,

147:3, 180:3

Department [52] -

121:19, 123:1,

126:21, 151:11,

153:2, 166:19,

166:21, 168:25,

175:16, 177:9,

178:11, 179:22,

180:18, 180:21,

184:18, 214:8,

215:24, 216:17,

219:3, 219:7, 219:16,

219:25, 221:5,

224:24, 225:4,

225:16, 225:19,

226:9, 226:15,

226:16, 226:21,

227:1, 227:18,

227:20, 228:17,

228:20, 229:16,

229:18, 231:9,

231:16, 231:22,

242:2, 242:22,

244:20, 245:4,

251:25, 262:4,

266:14, 267:3, 271:9,

271:10, 271:12

DEPARTMENT [3] -

115:5, 115:20, 214:3

department [2] -

154:18, 216:14

Department's [3] -

123:9, 126:23, 223:7

deploy [3] - 232:12,

239:18, 294:9

depth [1] - 281:11

Deputy [5] - 217:19,

217:22, 222:4,

223:23, 225:15

describe [2] - 119:1,

245:20

described [2] -

206:13, 206:14

describing [1] -

274:18

deserve [3] - 167:14,

265:19, 284:19

deserves [1] -

195:22

design [8] - 133:11,

133:14, 134:14,

175:10, 175:23,

177:12, 177:13,

177:14

designed [2] - 175:8,

175:12

desire [2] - 164:10,

197:13

desk [2] - 247:15,

283:8

desperately [1] -

159:24

despite [3] - 127:8,

128:12, 137:11

destroyed [1] -

138:12

detail [3] - 163:23,

212:12, 281:11

detailed [1] - 149:10

details [2] - 118:5,

251:2

detect [1] - 230:18

determination [12] -

119:13, 123:22,

124:5, 125:1, 128:14,

148:18, 164:18,

176:11, 180:12,

184:15, 191:13, 276:1

determinations [2] -

184:16, 184:19

determine [7] -

142:10, 143:15,

146:7, 146:15, 224:6,

232:23, 248:6

determined [3] -

127:11, 173:19,

290:10

determining [2] -

123:14, 144:6

detriment [1] -

197:17

develop [3] - 219:19,

220:12, 235:9

developed [1] -

219:24

dial [1] - 136:15

dialogue [3] - 240:1,

253:4, 253:8

dicta [1] - 181:9

difference [2] -

127:17, 182:1

different [21] -

144:11, 144:15,

154:18, 156:8,

191:15, 192:23,

196:20, 215:19,

217:20, 225:3,

226:20, 231:17,

231:18, 231:19,

232:15, 235:17,

239:13, 247:11,

256:14, 291:17,

296:13

differentiation [1] -

174:19

difficult [2] - 268:11,

293:7

diligently [1] - 287:5

direct [5] - 216:3,

234:19, 289:11,

290:12

direction [10] -

166:18, 220:11,

249:18, 270:23,

272:16, 275:21,

285:15, 285:20,

292:4, 296:24

directly [6] - 133:10,

142:12, 220:1,

244:12, 274:4, 289:17

director [1] - 249:16

Director [24] - 115:6,

115:8, 115:10,

115:12, 131:2, 214:8,

217:19, 220:1, 222:4,

222:20, 223:24,

225:15, 225:18,

226:8, 226:13,

227:13, 231:5,

235:19, 236:10,

238:10, 241:5, 242:7,

251:24, 297:25

DIRECTOR [2] -

115:21, 214:3

directors [1] -

259:23

disagree [9] - 121:5,

125:18, 146:6, 147:5,

169:16, 169:17,

184:14, 185:1, 200:21

disappear [2] -

140:22, 140:24

discharges [2] -

135:7, 137:21

disclosed [1] -

275:23

discretion [2] -

148:9, 153:6

discuss [1] - 176:5

discussed [1] -

297:13

discussion [3] -

171:4, 281:18, 300:5

discussions [4] -

120:22, 125:17,

166:22, 176:8

disperse [1] - 140:12

displaced [1] - 140:3

disproportion [1] -

262:13

disputed [1] - 144:18

disrespectful [1] -

147:1

distance [1] - 196:23

distinction [1] -

123:19

distinguished [1] -

250:4

District [11] - 131:16,

131:23, 136:20,

139:25, 140:17,

141:16, 145:13,

153:16, 154:17,

158:4, 159:8

districts [1] - 281:22

disturbing [1] -

193:3

diverse [1] - 239:11

diversified [1] -

157:1

diversify [1] - 273:24

Division [1] - 122:16

DIVISION [1] - 115:7

divisions [5] -

242:10, 245:23,

282:17, 282:18

DNO [1] - 277:7

DOAH [1] - 152:23

Doctor [1] - 219:18

document [4] -

120:13, 162:10,

172:2, 180:23

documented [1] -

158:19

documents [1] -

218:11

dollar [1] - 236:5

dollars [2] - 289:14,

295:12

domestic [2] -

267:24, 268:5

domestics [1] -

273:23

done [25] - 129:20,

195:16, 209:12,

211:9, 211:14,

211:23, 212:23,

212:24, 213:2,

226:25, 235:17,

243:1, 243:2, 243:4,

243:10, 250:11,

253:22, 256:13,

259:17, 275:1,

280:11, 284:4,

289:19, 291:16,

291:18

door [1] - 210:18

DOR [17] - 217:15,

222:17, 226:11,

229:6, 231:3, 234:23,

234:24, 235:7,

235:19, 236:20,

236:22, 236:23,

237:12, 244:11,

244:12, 257:7

down [29] - 120:25,

133:8, 136:5, 139:2,

139:15, 139:16,

139:18, 139:19,

142:22, 149:15,

158:23, 210:8, 217:4,

219:22, 225:8,

230:15, 247:13,

250:18, 252:19,

253:4, 254:4, 254:6,

265:24, 266:6,

269:20, 283:9,

297:23, 297:24, 298:7

downhill [1] - 134:10

downstream [2] -

159:21, 181:19

draft [4] - 126:8,

126:11, 128:17, 210:4

Draft [5] - 123:3,

123:5, 123:8, 131:4,

182:20

drafted [2] - 118:23,

211:7

drain [1] - 224:25

dramatically [1] -

276:3

draw [2] - 133:11,

299:3

drawn [1] - 133:18

draws [2] - 133:14,

133:23

drilled [1] - 137:8

drinking [2] - 160:6,

161:17

drive [2] - 220:10,

229:25

drivers [1] - 272:9

driving [2] - 227:9,

272:6

drop [1] - 276:18

dropped [1] - 276:20


9

drought [1] - 178:1

drug [2] - 193:10,

193:22

drugs [3] - 197:23,

198:1, 198:5

during [6] - 143:22,

214:12, 224:23,

226:16, 240:6, 257:9

Duval [2] - 236:19,

236:21

dynamic [1] - 172:11

dysfunction [1] -

143:21

E

e-auditing [1] - 227:5

ear [1] - 236:15

earliest [1] - 202:4

early [5] - 142:5,

191:21, 194:5,

194:12, 205:20

easier [3] - 201:12,

230:5, 246:6

easiest [2] - 246:3,

291:18

easily [2] - 133:8,

136:3

east [1] - 133:13

easy [2] - 197:7,

280:17

Economic [1] -

231:16

economics [1] -

238:13

Economist [3] -

217:20, 218:2, 223:24

Economist's [1] -

224:22

edge [4] - 226:23,

229:6, 229:8, 229:12

educating [1] -

238:20

education [3] -

201:21, 204:22, 205:5

effect [5] - 133:3,

153:22, 155:10,

159:23, 190:24

effective [1] - 282:8

effectively [3] -

153:4, 223:13, 243:2

effectiveness [1] -

224:15

effects [2] - 141:25,

154:7

efficiencies [1] -

224:14

efficiency [1] -

228:25

effort [4] - 163:9,

231:24, 233:4, 296:7

efforts [1] - 207:22

eight [4] - 158:18,

161:6, 161:24, 162:8

either [8] - 120:11,

126:18, 141:7,

146:15, 169:11,

230:19, 260:25, 264:2

elected [5] - 223:2,

223:6, 223:10,

239:13, 281:14

electrical [1] -

118:13

electronic [1] - 227:4

electronically [1] -

227:7

elects [1] - 153:19

element [2] - 202:16,

224:18

elements [2] -

128:14, 232:11

eleven [2] - 205:21,

205:22

eligible [1] - 199:11

eliminate [4] -

131:19, 163:20,

168:7, 175:17

eliminating [1] -

163:24

eloquent [1] - 213:4

embedded [1] -

295:24

employees [13] -

137:19, 225:4,

235:24, 236:8,

242:10, 242:25,

247:17, 258:24,

259:1, 259:3, 264:2,

270:15, 282:16

employers [1] -

230:6

employment [2] -

200:13, 285:13

enacts [1] - 259:22

encounter [1] -

139:17

encounters [1] -

141:8

encourage [2] -

265:4, 290:1

encouraging [2] -

267:25, 268:6

end [23] - 140:2,

141:3, 156:10, 171:4,

191:1, 191:6, 191:9,

203:23, 210:23,

224:5, 227:2, 239:22,

239:25, 240:3,

240:15, 240:16,

247:5, 248:8, 260:19,

269:24, 274:13,

275:1, 287:24

endorsement [3] -

150:17, 223:17,

223:19

ends [1] - 270:9

enforcement [3] -

153:5, 168:23, 244:19

engage [2] - 219:12,

240:1

engaged [1] - 218:15

enlist [1] - 232:2

enormous [2] -

133:2, 283:8

enrollees [1] -

286:17

ensure [4] - 160:19,

261:23, 286:9, 287:11

entered [1] - 153:2

enterprise [1] -

259:2

entire [6] - 143:6,

148:9, 153:14,

195:16, 243:3, 243:12

entirely [1] - 259:5

entirety [1] - 119:13

entities [2] - 282:16,

286:23

entity [1] - 173:11

envelope [1] - 230:3

environment [6] -

261:14, 284:3,

285:14, 290:8, 291:6,

291:8

Environmental [1] -

169:1

environmental [3] -

177:11, 184:8, 184:23

environments [1] -

281:20

equally [2] - 248:3,

249:8

equivalent [1] -

139:6

ERC [1] - 175:13

err [1] - 170:25

errant [1] - 294:20

erring [1] - 170:25

error [1] - 170:22

escalates [1] -

265:24

especially [1] -

267:13

essence [1] - 198:7

essentially [3] -

122:20, 177:24,

293:17

establish [1] -

142:14

established [4] -

120:20, 142:19,

168:21, 189:25

establishing [1] -

225:18

estimates [2] -

218:5, 218:8

Estimating [1] -

218:9

et [2] - 288:12,

297:20

eternally [1] - 213:10

ethical [1] - 177:1

evaluate [2] -

197:19, 206:2

evaluating [1] -

184:5

events [1] - 196:13

eventually [2] -

140:23, 140:24

Everglades [1] -

141:9

Evers [3] - 115:23,

214:18, 226:3

EVERS [11] - 226:1,

226:5, 226:12,

227:15, 228:8,

228:12, 228:23,

229:9, 231:7, 232:14,

233:7

everyday [1] -

242:22

evidence [27] -

119:7, 119:15,

119:17, 120:14,

120:20, 123:21,

127:10, 127:23,

128:1, 128:3, 129:8,

131:12, 136:8, 137:1,

137:6, 140:14,

140:15, 141:2, 148:3,

148:10, 149:8, 150:2,

150:5, 155:16,

155:17, 172:8, 172:19

exacerbated [1] -

158:13

exact [2] - 134:23,

229:23

exactly [11] - 120:19,

148:24, 150:1,

159:15, 164:19,

227:22, 244:11,

244:12, 247:22,

283:21, 287:21

examine [1] - 290:1

example [16] -

151:15, 220:6,

221:10, 224:21,

235:15, 236:7,

250:11, 250:13,

262:8, 265:13,

265:20, 276:4, 288:5,

289:10, 289:18,

290:25

exceed [1] - 181:11

excellence [2] -

239:17, 286:24

excellent [1] -

266:14

except [6] - 121:22,

138:19, 200:13,

201:21, 208:11,

211:18

exception [11] -

123:9, 126:17,

126:23, 126:25,

128:18, 128:24,

129:6, 129:10,

129:11, 140:12,

180:20

Exception [1] - 146:2

exceptional [3] -

254:14, 273:18,

273:19

exceptions [12] -

123:2, 126:15,

126:16, 126:20,

127:3, 128:9, 132:20,

140:10, 180:3, 180:7,

180:21, 201:22

excess [1] - 245:25

exclusive [1] -

294:16

Excuse [1] - 287:16

excuse [7] - 121:22,

123:13, 145:16,

160:23, 161:1,

190:15, 287:17

execute [1] - 191:8

Executive [18] -

115:10, 210:5, 214:8,

217:19, 220:1, 222:4,

222:20, 223:23,

225:15, 225:18,

226:8, 227:13, 231:5,

235:19, 241:5, 242:7,

251:24, 297:25

executive [8] -

191:8, 217:25,

219:24, 249:16,

281:3, 281:16, 283:3,

285:17

EXECUTIVE [2] -

115:21, 214:3

executives [1] -

231:14

exemption [4] -

221:12, 221:22,

230:13, 230:18

exercise [1] - 153:5

existing [13] -


10

121:25, 124:13,

129:1, 129:5, 138:7,

139:17, 140:3,

155:10, 161:15,

162:15, 165:9, 182:4,

182:5

exists [2] - 274:22

expand [2] - 267:20,

268:7

expansion [1] -

286:21

expect [3] - 168:24,

211:25, 239:5

expectation [1] -

272:9

expectations [3] -

250:9, 251:8

expected [2] - 159:9,

160:25

expecting [2] -

238:22, 245:5

expensive [1] -

263:4

experience [23] -

197:4, 222:16,

224:12, 224:25,

225:14, 227:19,

237:12, 237:24,

241:18, 246:9,

250:15, 251:4,

258:11, 264:8,

265:21, 265:22,

265:25, 266:5, 266:7,

266:15, 267:18,

272:13, 281:17

experienced [1] -

225:1

experiences [3] -

242:9, 248:21, 251:11

expert [2] - 280:22,

280:24

expertise [4] -

151:10, 151:13,

184:20, 264:9

experts [6] - 128:4,

148:14, 148:16,

160:10, 218:16, 232:3

explain [3] - 124:22,

188:5, 244:10

exploring [1] -

263:18

exposed [1] - 202:18

exposure [1] -

198:24

extended [1] -

299:14

extending [2] -

137:2, 137:3

extent [4] - 164:25,

284:16, 291:9, 291:10

extra [1] - 193:6

extract [1] - 296:7

extraordinary [2] -

220:19, 220:23

extremely [3] -

245:18, 267:7, 285:6

eyes [3] - 124:15,

266:24, 273:14

F

face [4] - 231:20,

261:13, 267:1, 269:13

facets [1] - 242:1

facie [1] - 146:11

facilities [1] - 142:11

facility [1] - 178:13

Fact [1] - 151:5

fact [19] - 119:11,

121:3, 125:19, 136:8,

136:9, 140:11, 141:6,

183:13, 183:23,

238:16, 241:15,

262:7, 282:6, 285:14,

288:3, 292:4, 292:24,

293:1, 294:22

factors [1] - 127:13

facts [2] - 119:14,

148:7

fail [5] - 194:8,

194:18, 195:3,

203:10, 207:6

failed [2] - 276:6,

276:7

failure [1] - 159:14

fair [4] - 124:15,

235:11, 235:12,

235:13

fairest [1] - 270:5

fairly [4] - 122:10,

184:22, 248:3, 249:8

fall [1] - 202:8

familiar [4] - 262:22,

271:22, 271:25,

295:18

family [11] - 156:18,

159:5, 166:12,

187:15, 187:23,

192:22, 193:7,

195:17, 196:22,

207:11, 213:9

far [3] - 196:13,

200:6, 270:9

farming [1] - 156:22

fashion [1] - 274:17

fast [2] - 212:10,

212:15

fastly [1] - 208:17

father [1] - 284:2

favor [3] - 167:1,

236:25, 252:10

favored [1] - 236:25

FAX [1] - 114:23

FBI [1] - 269:8

FDLE [1] - 189:3

FDOT [1] - 157:8

fearless [1] - 225:11

feature [1] - 132:23

federal [2] - 157:11,

163:19

Federal [2] - 175:20,

263:17

feelings [1] - 253:18

fees [1] - 246:1

feet [8] - 122:6,

131:10, 134:8, 155:7,

155:8, 158:20,

162:17, 162:18

fellow [1] - 237:15

felony [2] - 193:12,

193:25

felt [3] - 159:13,

181:8, 219:11

FEMA [1] - 265:10

ferret [1] - 296:16

few [4] - 167:21,

204:12, 235:17, 299:8

field [6] - 196:18,

236:11, 236:14,

242:13, 247:10,

247:17

fields [1] - 283:22

fifth [1] - 128:24

figure [3] - 216:17,

247:21, 247:24

file [2] - 126:16,

269:1

filed [10] - 123:1,

126:15, 126:17,

126:19, 126:21,

126:22, 180:22,

275:19, 276:11,

296:18

fill [4] - 135:15,

139:9, 139:10

filled [1] - 135:19

filter [1] - 247:12

final [9] - 118:12,

121:20, 127:1, 163:2,

168:23, 176:10,

178:10, 179:5, 268:8

Final [14] - 117:24,

118:5, 118:23, 123:3,

123:5, 123:8, 126:3,

131:4, 131:25,

144:23, 179:23,

182:10, 182:20, 183:1

finalist [1] - 268:16

finally [5] - 126:14,

127:17, 159:2,

211:23, 293:3

finance [1] - 254:24

FINANCE [1] - 115:7

FINANCIAL [2] -

114:11, 115:3

Findings [1] - 151:5

findings [7] - 119:11,

120:15, 127:9,

128:19, 148:12,

149:10

fine [5] - 170:4,

187:25, 295:16

fingerprint [1] -

136:22

finish [4] - 149:20,

149:23, 168:24,

212:23

finished [2] - 222:12,

237:21

firm [2] - 218:4,

270:7

firmly [2] - 194:10,

206:5

first [27] - 127:2,

130:12, 138:22,

168:6, 190:13,

191:23, 203:21,

215:4, 215:23, 219:4,

220:15, 228:8, 229:9,

231:7, 234:7, 236:12,

246:16, 247:14,

248:23, 250:15,

251:4, 252:12, 254:3,

258:4, 258:8, 288:24,

294:14

fit [1] - 241:6

five [5] - 137:15,

159:8, 193:25,

264:18, 296:20

fix [2] - 208:13,

296:11

fixes [1] - 296:15

flat [2] - 238:17,

238:19

flexibility [1] -

288:11

flood [17] - 263:16,

263:19, 263:22,

264:5, 264:7, 264:10,

264:13, 264:18,

264:22, 265:1, 265:7,

265:11, 265:12,

265:22, 266:4, 275:3,

276:1

Flood [1] - 264:1

flood-free [1] -

265:22

Florida [77] - 117:24,

118:11, 119:19,

119:23, 121:15,

122:15, 123:6,

123:23, 124:5,

126:15, 126:22,

127:18, 129:19,

130:19, 131:15,

131:22, 133:1,

137:12, 139:24,

140:5, 140:15,

140:16, 142:8,

153:21, 159:7,

160:19, 161:17,

161:18, 163:3,

168:25, 171:19,

177:12, 198:7, 221:1,

222:18, 223:17,

226:8, 226:14,

226:16, 226:21,

229:18, 229:20,

230:6, 230:12, 231:9,

231:11, 232:16,

241:16, 246:10,

261:4, 261:6, 263:17,

264:19, 266:3,

266:18, 267:1,

267:21, 267:23,

268:5, 272:25,

273:12, 273:15,

273:23, 274:4,

274:15, 280:21,

281:4, 281:12,

281:15, 288:20,

289:24, 289:25,

290:23, 291:2,

293:10, 298:4, 298:13

FLORIDA [4] - 114:1,

114:16, 114:23, 301:3

Florida's [6] -

271:23, 281:13,

282:5, 282:7, 289:24,

290:11

Floridan [3] - 131:9,

152:12, 173:22

Floridian [2] -

215:12, 241:14

Floridians [1] -

265:13

flows [1] - 134:10

flush [1] - 139:10

flushing [2] - 139:11,

139:12

focus [1] - 125:11

focusing [1] - 120:24

fold [1] - 265:4

folks [15] - 216:5,

217:8, 217:10,

218:18, 219:5,

219:11, 222:7,

234:18, 235:25,

236:11, 237:5,

237:25, 238:20,


11

239:21, 240:1

follow [8] - 172:17,

199:4, 203:21,

248:12, 253:5,

271:24, 275:14,

283:12

followed [6] -

198:19, 203:1,

203:17, 203:24, 204:7

following [2] -

130:20, 260:23

foot [2] - 133:19,

134:7

footprint [2] -

241:22, 274:24

FOR [4] - 115:20,

116:4, 214:2, 257:2

force [1] - 178:3

forced [2] - 158:23,

159:13

forecasts [1] -

218:15

foregoing [1] - 301:6

foreign [1] - 226:20

forever [1] - 195:1

forewarned [1] -

284:16

form [5] - 136:14,

154:8, 154:13, 262:9,

262:16

form-over-

substance [1] -

154:13

format [1] - 156:8

former [4] - 137:19,

280:25, 281:1, 281:2

forms [3] - 262:3,

274:11, 289:13

forth [2] - 124:20,

278:11

forthcoming [1] -

298:4

forty [1] - 296:20

forty-five [1] - 296:20

forward [26] - 122:3,

124:23, 129:19,

132:1, 168:9, 216:9,

218:3, 221:7, 223:14,

224:17, 225:12,

238:11, 251:13,

253:3, 258:22,

260:11, 267:2, 282:5,

282:6, 288:20,

288:21, 289:12,

289:21, 290:11,

295:15, 298:23

forwarded [1] -

122:15

foster [3] - 217:11,

243:13, 251:10

foundation [1] -

228:24

four [33] - 120:12,

137:2, 137:14,

137:25, 158:15,

173:10, 214:16,

214:21, 216:19,

220:23, 227:16,

227:22, 227:23,

242:10, 252:5, 252:6,

252:13, 253:4, 253:9,

253:12, 253:14,

254:22, 255:24,

256:4, 256:12, 260:6,

264:23, 264:25,

267:19, 268:11,

283:18, 285:8

fourteen [1] - 139:4

Fourth [1] - 284:1

fourth [1] - 128:9

FPL [18] - 130:24,

131:1, 131:4, 131:22,

136:23, 142:2,

145:11, 158:3,

159:17, 159:23,

160:9, 160:22,

161:13, 163:9,

163:17, 163:23,

168:17, 171:21

FPL's [12] - 128:20,

131:7, 136:9, 136:11,

136:23, 141:18,

147:5, 157:17, 159:9,

160:14, 161:11

FPR [3] - 114:18,

301:5, 301:11

fractured [2] - 133:5,

133:7

frank [1] - 165:19

frankly [9] - 146:6,

252:3, 252:7, 253:13,

269:8, 275:24,

285:25, 287:20, 291:4

Frankly [1] - 212:10

fraud [5] - 230:13,

230:18, 231:8,

231:21, 296:17

Fred [1] - 240:3

free [11] - 137:20,

137:21, 152:14,

152:21, 166:24,

206:9, 208:15,

265:21, 265:22,

290:20

free-from [3] -

137:20, 152:14,

152:21

freedom [1] - 208:15

freeze [1] - 174:9

fresh [6] - 135:20,

138:3, 266:24, 273:14

freshen [1] - 131:7

fresher [1] - 140:6

FROM [1] - 117:2

front [23] - 132:21,

134:16, 136:10,

138:1, 138:16,

138:19, 141:3, 141:6,

143:12, 145:7, 145:8,

147:15, 160:11,

161:24, 168:14,

202:13, 203:20,

216:9, 219:9, 256:1,

287:6, 287:8, 297:3

fulfill [1] - 189:15

full [14] - 174:18,

189:5, 189:6, 189:13,

189:16, 191:9, 192:3,

192:5, 192:10,

199:20, 200:1, 206:6,

208:6, 209:4

fully [2] - 161:13,

198:16

function [2] - 143:15,

295:7

functions [4] -

143:15, 244:22,

246:1, 294:15

FUND [1] - 115:14

Fund [2] - 297:7,

297:24

fundamental [2] -

129:3, 181:7

fundamentally [1] -

255:9

funded [1] - 228:15

future [4] - 144:1,

189:16, 272:15,

275:22

G

gallons [11] - 121:25,

134:24, 135:11,

136:2, 138:24, 139:3,

139:4, 139:5, 154:9,

168:8, 177:24

gate [1] - 202:9

gathering [2] -

246:24, 260:23

gauge [1] - 247:21

GE [1] - 239:20

gears [1] - 242:8

gee [1] - 221:21

general [10] - 129:14,

151:8, 151:13, 184:5,

184:21, 184:25,

237:23, 247:8,

254:18, 281:1

General [17] - 118:4,

118:15, 130:12,

147:7, 150:1, 171:15,

176:22, 194:2,

215:10, 222:11,

226:13, 236:17,

241:9, 244:8, 261:19,

285:23, 286:19

GENERAL [134] -

114:10, 117:18,

120:8, 121:9, 130:13,

145:15, 147:9,

147:12, 147:17,

147:20, 147:24,

148:2, 148:22,

148:25, 149:4,

149:14, 149:18,

154:4, 161:23, 162:3,

162:7, 162:21,

164:16, 164:20,

171:17, 173:1,

176:24, 177:5,

178:15, 178:21,

178:24, 179:2, 179:4,

179:9, 179:18, 183:3,

183:9, 183:11,

183:16, 183:19,

183:21, 184:1,

185:11, 185:20,

186:2, 186:12, 188:7,

188:11, 188:15,

190:14, 191:17,

191:20, 194:3,

195:21, 198:6, 199:7,

200:20, 201:3, 201:5,

201:9, 201:17,

202:21, 203:9,

203:22, 204:3, 204:6,

204:14, 204:20,

204:23, 205:2, 205:8,

206:3, 206:5, 206:11,

206:20, 206:24,

207:9, 208:7, 208:11,

208:20, 210:10,

210:16, 210:22,

211:1, 211:5, 211:18,

212:4, 212:7, 212:16,

212:20, 213:11,

213:13, 222:12,

222:15, 222:23,

223:15, 228:1, 228:4,

228:11, 228:22,

229:2, 231:2, 236:18,

237:9, 238:3, 243:7,

243:20, 244:9,

245:13, 246:12,

252:2, 252:6, 252:15,

253:7, 253:12,

253:18, 255:2, 255:5,

255:7, 261:20,

262:17, 262:20,

262:24, 263:13,

275:10, 275:13,

277:1, 285:24,

287:10, 287:14,

287:21, 288:15,

299:6, 300:2

General's [2] -

207:22, 244:21

generally [7] -

126:15, 185:1,

216:23, 246:19,

246:21, 251:1, 263:4

generated [1] -

268:17

gentle [1] - 207:9

gentlemen [1] -

203:13

geographies [1] -

273:25

Geotrack [4] -

275:25, 276:4, 276:6,

276:24

giant [1] - 133:2

Giddings [2] -

139:24, 141:7

girded [1] - 297:19

given [8] - 159:25,

192:15, 220:17,

223:3, 231:17,

241:18, 293:11,

297:17

glad [1] - 164:1

glow [1] - 136:15

go-forward [1] -

295:15

goal [7] - 200:9,

207:4, 213:1, 217:6,

242:6, 265:3, 267:4

goals [1] - 276:8

gorilla [1] - 272:18

governing [1] -

226:18

Government [1] -

175:20

government [8] -

163:18, 163:19,

236:3, 264:2, 264:3,

274:22, 274:24,

283:23

Governmental [1] -

131:1

governments [1] -

163:19

GOVERNOR [214] -

114:4, 114:10, 117:6,

117:13, 117:17,

117:19, 117:21,

118:7, 119:25, 120:3,

120:7, 130:6, 130:11,

130:16, 130:21,

132:4, 132:7, 132:12,


12

144:24, 145:2,

145:14, 145:16,

145:20, 145:24,

146:10, 147:7, 148:1,

148:23, 149:13,

149:16, 149:20,

149:22, 152:4,

155:19, 155:23,

155:25, 156:3,

161:20, 162:22,

162:25, 163:4, 164:2,

164:12, 164:14,

164:17, 169:8,

169:11, 169:16,

169:19, 170:11,

170:14, 170:18,

171:12, 171:15,

172:20, 172:23,

173:2, 173:4, 176:22,

178:14, 179:10,

179:13, 179:16,

179:20, 179:24,

180:8, 180:15, 182:9,

182:12, 182:21,

182:25, 185:13,

185:17, 185:19,

185:23, 186:1, 186:3,

186:5, 186:9, 186:14,

187:5, 187:16,

187:19, 187:25,

188:2, 188:4, 188:10,

188:13, 188:20,

189:10, 189:17,

189:21, 190:19,

191:4, 191:10,

191:19, 192:8, 193:9,

193:17, 193:21,

194:1, 195:20,

195:23, 196:3, 196:8,

197:7, 197:25, 198:4,

199:15, 199:22,

199:24, 200:4,

201:25, 203:5, 204:5,

205:21, 206:4,

206:19, 207:23,

208:9, 208:18,

209:12, 211:9,

211:11, 211:14,

211:17, 211:22,

212:3, 212:5, 213:1,

213:7, 213:12,

213:15, 214:5, 215:4,

215:16, 217:14,

218:20, 222:11,

224:9, 225:20, 226:3,

226:10, 227:11,

227:24, 229:3,

230:23, 232:5, 233:5,

233:8, 234:3, 234:7,

234:22, 234:25,

235:16, 236:17,

238:4, 239:10,

240:17, 241:3, 243:4,

243:15, 244:8,

246:13, 250:2,

251:16, 251:18,

251:20, 251:23,

252:5, 252:10,

253:16, 253:19,

255:8, 256:7, 256:9,

257:5, 258:4, 258:7,

258:23, 259:18,

260:5, 261:3, 261:19,

263:14, 264:23,

264:25, 269:15,

275:9, 275:12, 277:2,

277:6, 277:9, 277:12,

277:15, 277:18,

278:24, 279:1, 280:3,

280:16, 282:11,

283:13, 284:9,

284:22, 285:1, 285:4,

285:23, 288:17,

293:24, 298:16,

298:18, 299:16,

300:3, 300:9

Governor [42] -

117:9, 118:9, 120:9,

132:13, 145:4,

147:24, 149:25,

150:24, 151:2, 156:4,

163:5, 177:6, 185:6,

188:7, 190:15,

193:11, 200:3,

202:22, 206:3, 212:9,

215:10, 225:21,

230:14, 240:18,

241:8, 243:20,

252:11, 253:6, 253:7,

255:19, 258:6,

269:16, 275:11,

280:19, 281:6, 282:1,

282:25, 283:17,

293:25, 298:20,

299:11, 300:6

Governor's [3] -

156:9, 161:9, 210:2

grade [1] - 157:8

grain [1] - 246:23

grant [9] - 161:7,

180:6, 189:5, 189:6,

189:12, 189:13,

189:24, 192:3, 192:6

granted [4] - 191:2,

192:6, 269:9

granting [7] -

126:25, 188:23,

189:6, 190:21, 191:8,

191:23, 210:5

grants [2] - 123:9,

180:2

great [13] - 146:4,

147:13, 188:2,

197:18, 199:7,

223:17, 238:13,

247:23, 250:22,

252:15, 280:17, 286:3

Great [2] - 215:16,

224:23

greater [6] - 136:17,

215:13, 270:1, 274:1,

274:2, 296:10

greatest [3] - 139:2,

197:22, 230:25

Green [1] - 130:23

grew [3] - 156:25,

264:16, 283:22

grocery [7] - 200:17,

200:22, 200:24,

201:13, 204:17,

204:21, 206:15

ground [6] - 135:16,

135:17, 135:20,

153:17, 209:9, 212:17

groundwater [9] -

124:12, 131:20,

137:18, 137:20,

137:23, 141:20,

146:20, 153:25

group [2] - 262:10,

271:2

grouping [1] -

298:24

groups [1] - 285:13

grow [5] - 216:11,

217:13, 261:10,

267:11, 273:24

grower [1] - 174:8

growing [1] - 219:10

grown [2] - 198:7,

241:19

guess [13] - 129:11,

145:22, 202:11,

210:12, 227:11,

234:14, 236:1, 237:7,

252:25, 262:22,

278:1, 292:20

guidance [3] -

219:17, 282:3, 284:21

guilt [1] - 189:7

guy [1] - 248:8

H

HAGER [23] - 280:1,

280:14, 280:19,

282:15, 283:17,

284:12, 284:25,

285:3, 285:10,

286:11, 287:13,

287:16, 287:22,

288:16, 288:23,

291:1, 291:21,

293:15, 294:14,

295:20, 296:14,

297:13, 298:17

Hager [4] - 116:7,

257:16, 280:4, 299:14

haircut [1] - 258:5

half [4] - 158:10,

158:15, 227:22,

295:12

halfway [5] - 135:15,

135:19, 201:11,

201:12, 201:13

halt [2] - 151:24,

166:9

halted [1] - 178:5

hand [2] - 139:19,

164:7

handle [4] - 173:19,

194:9, 245:17

handled [3] - 153:13,

264:1, 280:12

handles [1] - 173:11

handling [1] - 295:25

hands [2] - 262:1,

264:6

happiness [1] -

270:13

happy [11] - 124:22,

130:10, 132:2,

189:20, 195:9, 217:9,

243:21, 249:10,

249:11, 276:23,

282:20

harboring [1] -

231:13

hard [8] - 212:6,

216:10, 218:6,

218:13, 252:3,

265:14, 292:2, 295:21

harm [18] - 125:5,

141:24, 142:2,

142:13, 142:17,

144:9, 144:14,

150:10, 151:24,

154:20, 160:3,

160:20, 160:21,

162:14, 292:7

harnessing [1] -

264:8

hat [1] - 300:8

hate [1] - 195:10

head [4] - 181:16,

244:11, 244:12, 278:3

headed [3] - 166:14,

172:3, 215:24

heads [1] - 141:9

Health [1] - 231:23

health [2] - 262:10,

270:13

healthcare [6] -

261:22, 263:1, 263:3,

286:7, 286:8, 287:12

Healthcare [2] -

262:21, 286:6

hear [10] - 120:22,

130:7, 130:8, 130:14,

130:17, 130:18,

162:8, 220:2, 246:19,

253:25

heard [10] - 131:11,

152:15, 172:13,

177:2, 187:11, 219:6,

232:16, 239:14,

259:15, 292:21

hearing [11] -

117:21, 121:8,

122:12, 143:19,

155:16, 159:22,

160:10, 161:6, 172:9,

172:15, 252:21

Hearing [1] - 186:5

hearings [2] - 162:2,

172:10

Hearings [1] -

122:17

heat [3] - 281:19,

283:6, 293:6

heavy [1] - 136:4

heck [1] - 136:12

HEEKIN [21] -

188:23, 189:11,

189:20, 189:23,

190:16, 190:20,

191:7, 191:16,

191:22, 193:11,

193:19, 193:24,

196:5, 209:7, 209:11,

209:13, 209:23,

210:4, 211:7, 211:10,

211:25

held [1] - 184:18

help [9] - 168:2,

172:16, 188:16,

202:23, 207:5,

243:16, 247:6,

263:10, 266:25

helped [3] - 243:13,

249:17, 251:9

helpful [3] - 167:19,

169:4, 237:16

helping [1] - 234:18

helps [3] - 243:24,

244:3

hesitation [1] - 255:1

high [4] - 239:16,

256:5, 268:2, 273:4

high-loss [1] - 273:4

higher [2] - 141:8,


13

219:1

highest [3] - 134:22,

134:25, 139:1

highly [1] - 282:25

Hillsborough [1] -

245:15

himself [2] - 193:8,

195:6

hindrance [2] -

243:16, 243:18

hire [2] - 278:10,

278:14

hired [2] - 278:8,

278:13

historical [2] -

175:13, 224:11

historically [1] -

272:13

history [3] - 197:9,

202:6, 286:2

hit [2] - 159:2, 252:8

hold [2] - 274:8,

299:4

holder [1] - 157:15

holds [1] - 138:8

Holmes [1] - 142:24

home [3] - 196:23,

200:14, 201:24

homeowners [2] -

289:13, 297:14

homestead [2] -

230:13, 230:18

Homestead [2] -

137:4, 137:8

honest [2] - 147:2,

249:5

honestly [1] - 199:1

honor [3] - 215:13,

226:6, 241:12

honored [2] -

258:13, 280:15

hook [1] - 207:2

hope [2] - 171:18,

245:14

hoped [2] - 276:7,

276:25

hopefully [3] - 156:9,

204:15, 271:21

hoping [2] - 172:15,

213:2

hopper [3] - 167:22,

168:16, 168:21

Hopping [1] - 130:23

horizontally [1] -

133:9

host [1] - 226:20

hot [5] - 134:1,

254:21, 268:11,

281:19

hours [3] - 210:13,

212:1

House [1] - 295:10

house [25] - 190:10,

190:11, 198:19,

199:16, 200:10,

201:1, 201:11,

201:12, 201:13,

201:18, 202:15,

204:7, 204:9, 204:16,

204:25, 206:6, 206:9,

206:10, 206:15,

206:17, 206:18,

207:25, 208:2,

208:12, 208:15

houses [1] - 174:12

housing [2] - 207:13,

276:2

huge [5] - 133:11,

136:7, 261:6, 262:13,

262:15

human [1] - 171:18

humorous [1] -

237:10

hundred [9] - 141:1,

219:4, 220:15,

228:10, 236:12,

242:12, 246:17,

247:14, 282:19

hundreds [1] -

136:24

hurricane [2] -

177:25, 265:21

hurricane-free [1] -

265:21

hurricanes [3] -

267:19, 267:20,

284:17

hydrogen [1] -

136:14

hypersaline [8] -

127:5, 127:6, 131:19,

144:12, 157:21,

163:10, 168:18,

168:19

I

idea [5] - 216:15,

223:4, 242:18,

265:14, 286:1

ideas [2] - 266:25,

273:14

identify [1] - 163:20

identifying [1] -

284:14

identity [2] - 231:8,

231:21

ignorance [1] -

167:16

ignore [2] - 149:9,

243:9

immediate [6] -

181:18, 189:5,

189:12, 190:9,

192:20, 298:6

immediately [7] -

133:15, 189:24,

199:9, 219:15,

266:11, 288:14,

298:10

impact [6] - 126:25,

127:4, 135:23,

181:20, 181:21, 276:3

impacted [3] - 182:7,

234:13, 235:7

impacts [3] - 125:12,

129:2, 173:23

impair [1] - 137:22

impaired [1] - 138:12

implement [3] -

232:23, 260:1, 281:7

implementing [2] -

260:22, 261:1

implies [1] - 221:17

important [7] -

124:10, 134:9, 222:5,

244:14, 245:18,

254:23, 261:21

importantly [1] -

232:22

impose [3] - 142:16,

144:8, 150:21

imposed [3] -

175:19, 196:11, 208:8

imposing [1] -

207:16

impressed [1] -

252:17

impression [1] -

207:13

impressive [2] -

228:6, 252:13

improper [1] - 128:8

improperly [1] -

129:16

improve [8] - 124:11,

124:17, 129:4,

131:20, 165:16,

230:7, 231:25, 266:11

improved [1] - 280:8

IMPROVEMENT [1] -

115:14

improvement [2] -

141:20, 248:7

improves [2] - 155:4,

163:12

IN [2] - 114:4, 117:2

inaccurate [1] -

164:23

Inc [1] - 123:1

incarceration [1] -

193:16

inclined [1] - 161:12

include [2] - 168:16,

203:23

included [1] - 119:8

including [4] -

128:15, 131:15,

185:8, 275:24

incomes [1] - 263:10

inconsistent [3] -

129:5, 294:16, 295:17

incorrect [2] -

129:17, 174:13

increase [2] - 135:6,

295:24

increases [1] - 296:5

indebted [1] - 213:10

indeed [1] - 220:11

independence [1] -

285:11

independent [1] -

285:6

independently [1] -

265:8

INDEX [2] - 115:1,

116:2

INDICATIONS) [1] -

169:18

individual [5] -

202:17, 252:3,

283:10, 286:13

individuals [8] -

225:1, 256:12, 260:6,

262:11, 283:1,

286:16, 286:21, 294:9

indulge [1] - 156:16

industry [3] - 157:7,

280:10, 288:8

inevitable [1] -

217:12

inexcusable [1] -

161:2

inferred [1] - 132:23

influence [1] -

127:13

inform [3] - 141:21,

160:18, 167:15

informal [1] - 220:5

information [11] -

124:6, 170:21, 182:3,

218:4, 218:12,

244:18, 245:7, 245:8,

245:12, 247:11,

260:24

infrastructure [1] -

157:9

infringing [1] -

161:15

infused [3] - 184:15,

184:24, 185:3

ingredient [1] -

164:10

ingredients [1] -

271:18

initial [2] - 268:25,

269:6

initiative [3] - 221:7,

221:18, 295:22

initiatives [3] -

164:9, 227:8, 263:23

injury [5] - 181:17,

181:18, 271:23,

295:19, 296:21

Inmate [3] - 187:10,

187:14, 187:23

input [7] - 125:1,

164:22, 173:13,

259:6, 259:8, 259:15,

260:15

inside [1] - 167:12

insights [1] - 273:20

insignificant [1] -

139:3

insolvency [2] -

292:4, 292:5

instances [2] -

129:14, 243:25

instead [2] - 144:11,

155:7

Insurance [10] -

257:7, 262:4, 264:1,

278:4, 282:19,

284:11, 284:13,

287:5, 292:11, 299:13

insurance [58] -

261:4, 261:5, 261:7,

261:8, 261:9, 261:12,

261:16, 263:7,

263:11, 263:16,

263:22, 264:5, 264:8,

264:10, 264:11,

264:14, 264:18,

264:22, 265:2, 265:7,

265:11, 265:13,

266:4, 266:19,

266:21, 268:7, 273:5,

273:11, 273:16,

275:3, 275:4, 275:15,

280:9, 280:10,

280:22, 281:1, 281:8,

281:10, 281:11,

281:12, 281:23,

282:5, 286:2, 288:7,

288:20, 289:25,

290:3, 291:21,

291:23, 292:3,

292:15, 293:16,

293:18, 294:24,

294:25, 297:4, 298:7,


14

298:25

INSURANCE [2] -

116:5, 257:3

insured [1] - 262:16

insured's [2] -

272:19, 272:20

insureds [1] - 262:10

insurer [1] - 289:15

insurers [10] - 263:6,

270:13, 287:9, 290:1,

290:15, 290:18,

291:5, 294:21, 296:1,

297:20

Insurers [1] - 292:14

integral [1] - 143:10

integrate [1] - 202:17

integrated [1] -

229:17

integrates [1] -

143:16

integrating [2] -

208:16, 208:17

integrity [1] - 159:4

intend [1] - 163:7

intense [1] - 282:17

intention [1] - 248:5

interacting [1] -

249:24

interaction [2] -

217:15, 248:16

interactions [1] -

217:21

interest [2] - 248:19,

259:9

interested [4] -

234:11, 237:25,

282:25, 283:1

interesting [4] -

121:10, 121:11,

143:3, 172:10

interests [1] - 125:23

interface [3] -

158:19, 158:22, 238:2

interference [1] -

283:5

internal [1] - 166:22

INTERNAL [1] -

115:13

International [1] -

137:4

interpretation [3] -

180:13, 180:25,

182:15

interpretations [1] -

236:24

interrupt [1] - 144:24

interrupted [2] -

149:16, 149:24

interrupting [1] -

287:17

intersected [1] -

281:24

intervening [1] -

176:7

Intervenor [1] -

132:16

interview [8] -

214:16, 214:17,

226:7, 229:5, 255:16,

257:14, 278:2, 293:14

INTERVIEW [4] -

115:20, 116:4, 214:2,

257:2

interviewing [1] -

277:22

interviews [2] -

214:7, 257:5

intimidating [1] -

235:15

intriguing [1] -

291:16

intrusion [10] -

150:8, 157:22,

157:24, 158:1,

163:15, 163:21,

163:25, 168:8,

168:14, 178:5

invade [1] - 151:20

invalid [1] - 128:18

invalidated [1] -

153:3

invoice [1] - 237:19

invoke [1] - 220:18

involve [1] - 275:8

involved [7] -

121:12, 169:12,

196:18, 268:13,

269:23, 275:24, 287:1

ionized [1] - 136:14

Iowa [3] - 283:22,

286:2, 291:19

IPO [1] - 276:17

irrelevant [1] - 128:2

isolation [1] - 161:3

isotope [1] - 136:17

issuance [2] - 126:3,

163:13

issue [35] - 121:2,

121:4, 123:10, 124:2,

125:8, 126:24,

128:10, 128:21,

128:23, 129:3,

129:25, 140:10,

144:21, 146:2,

150:24, 151:12,

163:7, 163:8, 168:6,

175:13, 177:15,

177:21, 180:10,

180:12, 180:23,

181:7, 181:11,

181:13, 184:7,

193:22, 250:16,

261:2, 286:12, 286:19

issued [5] - 121:19,

122:20, 153:21,

157:9, 157:10

issues [32] - 123:16,

123:17, 123:20,

124:2, 125:13, 130:2,

157:17, 157:19,

164:15, 171:2,

181:14, 184:23,

216:10, 216:11,

217:17, 217:23,

217:25, 219:9,

219:14, 244:5,

244:20, 245:21,

261:13, 273:4,

284:19, 289:9,

289:11, 290:9, 297:3,

297:14, 298:2

Item [2] - 117:11,

117:23

item [7] - 117:14,

118:10, 123:4,

131:24, 179:17,

182:22, 298:12

items [7] - 117:10,

118:17, 120:22,

150:6, 165:20, 177:7,

177:19

itself [2] - 126:7,

133:6

J

Jack [4] - 188:2,

188:4, 188:20, 209:6

Jacksonville [4] -

234:15, 234:21,

236:4, 287:3

jail [5] - 193:2, 193:3,

193:6, 193:10, 193:21

James [6] - 115:23,

115:24, 214:18,

226:3, 233:8

JAMES [2] - 226:1,

234:1

January [3] - 122:19,

214:11, 257:8

JEFF [1] - 114:11

Jeff [3] - 269:17,

271:22, 273:17

Jefferson [1] -

139:24

JEFFREY [1] - 258:2

Jeffrey [3] - 116:6,

257:15, 258:5

Jim [4] - 219:18,

232:7, 235:5, 239:11

job [35] - 147:4,

148:7, 151:1, 152:16,

160:18, 162:9, 168:6,

172:11, 177:19,

186:15, 217:1,

234:19, 235:7,

238:11, 238:13,

251:12, 252:20,

253:22, 254:12,

256:1, 256:13, 258:9,

266:18, 267:4,

274:14, 274:17,

274:19, 275:7,

280:17, 282:8, 285:9,

293:5, 293:21

jobs [3] - 254:20,

254:21, 274:21

joins [1] - 131:22

joking [1] - 255:7

journey [1] - 241:17

Judge [48] - 122:18,

122:20, 124:4,

124:15, 125:14,

127:9, 127:24, 128:5,

128:12, 128:13,

129:15, 129:21,

131:11, 131:24,

136:9, 137:13,

138:14, 138:21,

141:3, 141:11, 142:4,

144:17, 145:18,

145:21, 146:3, 146:5,

146:23, 148:18,

150:3, 151:8, 151:21,

153:2, 155:3, 159:15,

159:17, 160:17,

161:5, 161:25,

163:11, 168:11,

168:12, 172:18,

177:17, 177:22,

180:14, 181:1, 185:16

Judge's [9] - 119:17,

130:4, 141:12, 142:6,

151:14, 178:19,

180:1, 183:8, 184:10

judgment [1] - 224:3

judicata [1] - 126:5

judicial [1] - 119:5

Julie [1] - 187:6

July [1] - 284:1

jumped [1] - 288:1

junk [1] - 296:18

jurisdiction [2] -

151:17, 184:4

justice [1] - 198:23

Justice [2] - 175:17,

177:10

K

Katrina [2] - 297:16

keep [5] - 167:12,

192:23, 270:19,

274:20, 275:5

keeping [2] - 231:13,

249:22

keeps [1] - 231:13

Ken [4] - 243:4,

253:21, 254:2, 254:5

kept [1] - 228:20

Kettering [1] - 287:2

Kevin [1] - 266:13

key [1] - 296:4

Keys [1] - 161:18

kidding [1] - 255:5

kind [20] - 147:5,

154:13, 198:12,

226:23, 230:4,

234:10, 235:5, 236:5,

237:24, 238:18,

239:3, 240:12,

240:13, 247:21,

251:9, 268:4, 278:5,

287:6, 288:9, 289:18

kinds [4] - 178:6,

231:4, 292:10, 295:3

knowledge [1] -

226:11

knowledgeable [1] -

262:6

known [2] - 146:5,

297:23

kowtow [1] - 235:13

Kristin [1] - 299:24

Kruse [1] - 115:12

L

Labor [1] - 271:10

labyrinth [2] - 134:12

laced [1] - 136:13

lack [2] - 172:7,

172:19

laid [3] - 148:8,

219:22, 269:17

lamp [1] - 136:5

landward [1] - 158:8

language [5] -

181:14, 181:25,

182:16, 201:19,

205:11

large [8] - 122:11,

132:23, 134:12,

230:5, 236:3, 241:21,

245:14, 285:20

largely [3] - 237:2,

276:10, 276:24

larger [1] - 132:25


15

largest [4] - 216:4,

234:19, 261:6, 261:8

last [26] - 121:20,

141:12, 151:3, 158:3,

181:2, 181:5, 187:19,

187:20, 191:18,

192:1, 195:10,

197:15, 198:15,

202:7, 208:23,

214:13, 220:23,

222:21, 223:1,

231:15, 237:3, 241:3,

245:25, 257:5,

277:24, 288:1

late [5] - 156:24,

205:21, 205:22,

206:19, 206:21

latest [1] - 138:4

latter [1] - 215:23

lava [1] - 136:4

Law [27] - 119:16,

122:18, 122:20,

124:4, 127:24,

129:21, 131:11,

131:23, 137:13,

138:14, 141:11,

142:4, 144:17,

145:18, 145:21,

146:3, 146:5, 146:23,

151:8, 151:21,

159:15, 161:25,

180:14, 181:1, 183:7,

184:9, 185:16

law [24] - 120:18,

124:25, 125:18,

125:19, 127:21,

129:18, 142:19,

146:10, 146:12,

151:9, 151:13,

151:14, 152:18,

167:4, 175:8, 182:19,

183:13, 183:23,

183:25, 184:3, 184:6,

184:12, 216:16

laws [2] - 230:6,

246:10

Lawson [2] - 243:4,

253:22

lawsuit [2] - 269:4,

269:5

lawsuits [1] - 269:2

lawyer [8] - 171:24,

244:9, 244:23, 246:5,

255:2, 280:21, 280:22

lawyers [2] - 171:25,

244:10

lay [3] - 120:18,

184:25, 217:2

laying [1] - 231:5

lead [2] - 217:1,

281:18

leader [1] - 225:19

leaders [4] - 219:12,

219:13, 252:16,

269:13

leadership [15] -

229:25, 232:9,

232:21, 241:21,

250:4, 254:16,

255:11, 255:14,

259:7, 267:8, 269:11,

270:22, 281:16,

283:4, 283:11

leading [3] - 183:17,

225:16, 281:17

leads [1] - 220:1

League [1] - 222:18

league [1] - 222:23

learn [2] - 249:17,

283:8

learned [3] - 291:25,

292:19

learning [2] - 250:15,

251:4

least [11] - 126:18,

136:24, 137:19,

150:18, 160:11,

160:12, 167:16,

167:19, 191:12,

226:7, 295:14

leave [3] - 152:4,

176:19, 239:23

leaves [1] - 200:15

leaving [1] - 183:10

led [1] - 283:24

left [2] - 128:6,

227:22

leg [1] - 270:14

legal [11] - 131:6,

138:7, 161:16,

168:18, 182:5,

212:17, 241:19,

243:15, 250:17,

282:18, 289:5

legally [3] - 168:22,

171:24, 171:25

legged [1] - 270:12

legislation [2] -

218:3, 259:22

Legislative [1] -

225:16

legislative [8] -

216:12, 216:21,

218:19, 219:12,

221:6, 222:8, 237:3,

284:20

legislator [1] - 285:5

Legislature [8] -

222:18, 259:22,

280:8, 280:12,

281:21, 284:19,

297:1, 298:9

legislature [2] -

218:25, 290:7

length [2] - 133:21,

197:4

Leon [16] - 115:25,

214:19, 241:3, 241:4,

250:3, 251:16,

251:24, 252:8,

252:19, 253:1,

253:19, 254:8,

254:15, 256:3, 256:7,

256:18

LEON [2] - 241:1,

301:3

Leon's [1] - 253:13

less [6] - 144:13,

158:19, 171:10,

175:3, 181:17, 291:7

less-than-

constructive [1] -

291:7

lessons [4] - 291:18,

291:25, 292:1, 292:18

letting [3] - 194:4,

194:12, 205:23

level [8] - 133:19,

134:8, 136:25,

184:20, 218:1, 229:1,

238:21

LEVEL [1] - 114:16

leveled [2] - 268:20,

293:13

levels [3] - 136:17,

141:9, 238:18

LexisNexis [1] -

230:19

liability [1] - 231:1

license [7] - 144:6,

153:10, 153:20,

154:12, 160:15,

161:12, 178:9

licenses [1] - 143:11

lied [1] - 194:13

lies [1] - 258:21

Lieutenant [1] -

230:14

life [13] - 192:21,

213:14, 224:12,

263:6, 263:7, 263:11,

283:14, 284:6,

287:24, 288:7,

288:10, 295:13, 297:4

light [3] - 157:20,

159:14, 293:6

Light [15] - 117:25,

119:19, 119:23,

121:15, 122:15,

123:23, 124:5,

126:22, 129:19,

130:19, 140:5,

140:16, 142:8,

153:21, 163:3

Light's [3] - 123:6,

127:18, 137:12

likely [2] - 158:16,

292:5

limerock [3] - 133:5,

157:8, 159:2

limit [3] - 154:2,

154:6, 289:13

limitation [1] -

129:25

limitations [3] -

119:20, 196:4, 196:10

limited [15] - 119:4,

121:7, 125:22, 126:7,

142:20, 148:8, 149:6,

165:3, 165:24,

170:23, 176:11,

180:2, 181:10,

195:24, 218:14

line [5] - 192:8,

282:9, 294:23, 295:16

lines [7] - 118:14,

196:15, 273:5,

274:25, 281:10,

291:24, 295:9

Lisa [4] - 217:19,

218:24, 219:18,

225:17

list [1] - 254:15

listen [6] - 152:16,

171:21, 224:3,

259:12, 266:1, 270:8

listened [2] - 171:22,

171:23

listening [1] - 283:9

literally [1] - 137:7

live [2] - 218:18,

230:21

lived [1] - 237:18

livelihood [1] -

156:15

living [1] - 287:23

local [5] - 157:11,

163:18, 200:17,

209:25, 245:9

location [1] - 134:23

LOCATION [1] -

114:15

locked [1] - 194:25

long-term [7] -

263:1, 263:3, 287:14,

287:19, 287:20,

288:3, 288:11

longevity [1] -

287:25

look [23] - 153:22,

159:24, 166:1,

197:10, 199:25,

215:17, 219:4,

219:20, 220:16,

221:6, 222:5, 222:7,

226:24, 234:15,

237:16, 246:17,

265:17, 269:19,

272:12, 273:6,

286:25, 296:12,

296:20

looked [8] - 196:6,

219:24, 224:15,

226:12, 237:19,

273:13, 296:8, 297:9

looking [14] -

136:21, 143:25,

166:6, 169:3, 258:21,

260:11, 260:18,

267:2, 273:17,

282:21, 284:8,

285:25, 286:12,

294:10

looks [2] - 122:9,

133:2

loose [1] - 206:14

lose [2] - 159:4,

250:21

loss [5] - 158:5,

265:17, 267:18,

273:4, 295:25

lost [9] - 153:12,

219:7, 224:22,

224:25, 226:23,

229:6, 229:12,

276:21, 276:22

low [1] - 272:20

LOWER [1] - 114:16

lower [5] - 174:24,

239:22, 265:12,

274:2, 275:5

lowest [1] - 134:19

loyal [2] - 283:2

luck [2] - 213:7,

213:15

lukewarm [2] -

150:15, 150:17

M

ma'am [7] - 120:16,

130:15, 147:23,

148:5, 149:12,

183:15, 222:14

magazines [1] -

226:18

magnitude [1] -

158:14

mail [1] - 227:3

main [2] - 245:8,


16

247:11

maintain [2] -

223:12, 274:5

major [3] - 228:9,

281:3, 285:17

majority [2] - 124:16,

253:2

makings [1] - 184:24

malpractice [3] -

272:24, 273:10,

298:12

manage [9] - 215:19,

216:20, 219:20,

234:18, 262:14,

263:10, 282:12,

282:20, 294:12

managed [11] -

215:21, 215:22,

216:5, 234:8, 234:14,

253:21, 254:17,

258:24, 259:2,

282:16, 282:18

Management [15] -

131:15, 131:23,

136:19, 139:25,

140:17, 141:15,

145:13, 153:16,

154:16, 158:4, 159:7,

160:9, 173:9, 173:19,

216:1

management [21] -

216:6, 226:14, 233:2,

234:9, 234:10,

234:19, 238:18,

239:7, 240:12,

250:10, 255:10,

258:25, 259:5, 269:3,

275:15, 275:20,

277:3, 282:15,

282:22, 283:6, 283:7

managing [4] -

228:24, 234:17,

241:20

Manatee [1] - 245:15

mandatory [1] -

296:21

manner [1] - 166:11

Manuel [1] - 187:10

Mappers [2] -

248:17, 249:14

maps [1] - 137:5

march [1] - 158:7

March [8] - 121:20,

187:11, 199:8,

199:12, 202:12,

208:4, 214:11, 257:9

MARCH [1] - 114:14

marched [1] - 284:2

Market [1] - 292:14

market [20] - 261:4,

261:6, 261:7, 261:8,

261:9, 261:16,

263:16, 267:11,

267:12, 270:3, 280:9,

293:18, 294:7, 294:8,

294:18, 294:25,

295:6, 297:15

marketing [1] -

230:16

marketplace [6] -

261:22, 269:21,

284:14, 286:8,

290:15, 293:17

markets [9] - 269:20,

282:5, 288:21,

289:21, 289:25,

290:11, 290:20

massive [3] - 133:3,

146:19, 157:21

mathematics [1] -

281:5

matter [2] - 148:4,

275:22

maximum [3] -

174:8, 193:24, 294:18

Mayo [1] - 287:3

mayor [1] - 234:18

McCall [1] - 187:6

MCCALL [5] - 187:8,

187:18, 187:21,

188:1, 188:3

McCarty [1] - 266:13

MCKEE [10] - 215:2,

215:9, 215:22,

217:18, 219:5,

222:21, 222:24,

223:20, 224:20,

225:21

McKee [4] - 115:22,

214:17, 215:5, 238:13

mean [28] - 153:22,

162:13, 171:22,

175:9, 194:13, 195:8,

201:22, 204:7,

206:14, 210:19,

210:20, 228:23,

229:7, 231:2, 235:20,

237:14, 238:11,

253:7, 254:13,

254:21, 276:18,

288:3, 288:21,

288:22, 289:7, 289:8,

291:15, 299:9

meaning [1] - 216:12

means [6] - 119:7,

120:10, 166:8,

191:10, 270:8, 288:23

meant [2] - 177:12,

273:11

measure [2] -

216:18, 276:25

measures [8] -

163:20, 219:19,

219:20, 219:22,

220:6, 220:8, 220:15,

220:19

measuring [1] -

229:19

meat [1] - 169:2

mechanical [1] -

144:11

mechanism [1] -

266:5

med [1] - 228:13

media [2] - 269:5,

293:13

medical [6] - 201:21,

204:19, 204:20,

272:23, 273:10,

298:12

meet [7] - 124:7,

128:15, 128:22,

217:22, 253:24,

290:18, 293:2

MEETING [3] -

114:4, 114:15, 300:13

meeting [19] -

117:12, 132:18,

187:11, 190:1,

191:18, 192:1,

195:11, 197:16,

198:15, 199:12,

204:12, 205:16,

206:2, 214:15,

257:13, 297:6,

299:23, 300:11,

300:12

meets [3] - 131:13,

131:16, 163:12

member [1] - 198:21

members [11] -

120:9, 121:12,

132:13, 156:5, 163:6,

218:6, 260:8, 277:2,

280:20, 281:6, 285:19

MEMBERS [1] -

114:10

memo [2] - 160:8,

161:3

Memorial [1] - 284:2

mentioned [12] -

126:4, 126:23,

128:11, 129:23,

129:24, 164:8,

197:15, 229:4,

244:24, 252:11,

294:4, 296:4

merit [1] - 284:20

message [2] -

246:25, 291:12

met [6] - 123:23,

124:7, 128:20,

150:18, 165:15, 254:6

meted [1] - 289:14

method [1] - 239:21

methods [1] - 181:22

metrics [1] - 227:9

METZKE [3] -

114:18, 301:5, 301:11

mgd [8] - 165:5,

165:22, 173:6,

173:16, 173:22,

174:4, 174:12, 175:25

Miami [13] - 138:17,

138:18, 156:19,

157:5, 157:16, 158:4,

168:17, 168:22,

176:7, 177:16,

230:15, 254:4

Miami-Dade [11] -

138:17, 138:18,

156:19, 157:5,

157:16, 158:4,

168:17, 168:22,

176:7, 177:16, 230:15

microwave [1] -

271:17

middle [2] - 270:10,

299:22

might [11] - 132:8,

161:4, 169:5, 209:21,

238:24, 243:18,

248:7, 252:23, 299:11

migration [4] -

131:21, 154:22,

154:25, 155:14

Mike [3] - 130:25,

163:2, 169:9

mildly [1] - 132:24

mile [2] - 138:6,

159:10

miles [6] - 137:2,

137:15, 137:25,

158:10, 158:15

million [20] - 121:24,

134:24, 135:8,

135:11, 135:12,

136:1, 136:2, 138:24,

139:4, 154:9, 161:8,

168:8, 177:24,

229:22, 231:10,

259:4, 264:17,

264:18, 270:4, 294:9

millions [1] - 139:3

mind [6] - 141:10,

144:2, 165:25, 253:8,

274:20, 292:8

mind-bending [1] -

292:8

minds [1] - 298:25

mindset [2] - 243:14,

274:1

mine [4] - 157:23,

157:25, 159:2, 159:4

minimum [1] -

137:18

mining [6] - 138:9,

156:24, 157:2,

158:21, 158:22,

158:23

minor [1] - 119:1

minuses [1] - 238:10

minute [3] - 155:12,

212:8, 224:11

minutes [4] - 117:11,

117:16, 156:17, 299:8

Mirasol [1] - 142:22

mischief [1] - 295:4

misinformed [1] -

207:12

misled [4] - 192:17,

275:20, 276:12,

276:13

miss [1] - 192:18

missed [1] - 221:22

missing [1] - 230:1

mistake [1] - 223:5

mistakes [2] - 239:5,

292:2

mix [1] - 288:25

models [1] - 140:15

modernizing [1] -

228:25

modification [60] -

118:22, 119:23,

121:14, 121:23,

122:13, 122:14,

122:21, 123:7,

123:15, 124:11,

124:14, 125:10,

125:12, 125:13,

125:24, 126:6, 126:7,

127:4, 129:2, 129:3,

130:3, 138:23,

139:15, 140:18,

141:19, 142:1,

142:12, 142:15,

142:20, 143:11,

143:13, 143:25,

144:8, 144:10,

144:19, 144:21,

145:6, 146:21,

150:22, 153:20,

153:23, 154:7, 154:8,

154:21, 160:5,

160:20, 162:20,

165:4, 165:10,

165:11, 168:10,

178:6, 180:3, 180:9,

180:22, 181:13,


17

182:8, 183:4, 183:5

modifications [10] -

119:1, 121:16,

121:17, 129:24,

142:21, 146:14,

165:7, 178:18, 180:2,

180:20

modified [4] - 126:9,

126:13, 143:5, 183:6

modify [4] - 117:25,

119:11, 144:6, 195:9

modifying [1] - 152:2

moment [1] - 274:5

money [4] - 228:15,

276:21, 276:22, 295:1

monitor [1] - 262:12

monitoring [6] -

122:24, 138:2,

158:24, 190:14,

190:15, 190:17

Monroe [1] - 157:6

month [7] - 193:2,

202:8, 208:24,

210:21, 210:24,

299:20, 299:21

months [43] - 190:9,

190:10, 197:10,

197:11, 198:18,

198:19, 199:2, 199:3,

199:16, 199:17,

200:10, 202:25,

203:1, 203:2, 203:4,

203:6, 203:7, 203:16,

203:17, 203:20,

203:23, 203:24,

204:6, 204:8, 204:9,

204:10, 205:15,

205:17, 206:21,

206:23, 206:25,

207:25, 208:2, 208:3,

237:19

morning [3] -

156:14, 212:13,

212:16

most [15] - 124:9,

139:2, 215:20,

215:22, 224:20,

226:25, 231:23,

234:14, 245:16,

247:5, 259:1, 281:22,

290:21, 295:6, 298:24

mostly [1] - 217:16

motion [21] - 117:13,

117:21, 179:16,

182:22, 182:23,

185:24, 186:5, 204:4,

207:23, 207:24,

208:18, 209:10,

210:2, 211:14, 213:4,

253:1, 255:17, 256:6,

294:6, 299:12

move [18] - 117:15,

139:21, 141:6, 155:1,

160:11, 185:7,

192:21, 216:8,

223:13, 225:6,

251:13, 251:23,

282:4, 282:5, 288:19,

288:20, 292:5, 292:6

moved [5] - 137:14,

227:18, 264:15,

291:10, 295:10

movement [2] -

138:16, 166:9

moves [4] - 133:7,

136:3, 137:24, 155:2

moving [16] - 124:23,

127:2, 140:20,

159:12, 162:18,

166:17, 171:23,

195:14, 225:11,

253:3, 273:13,

273:24, 289:12,

289:20, 290:11,

297:10

MR [197] - 117:9,

117:23, 118:9, 120:2,

120:5, 120:16,

121:13, 130:9,

130:15, 130:18,

130:22, 132:9,

132:10, 132:13,

145:1, 145:3, 145:19,

145:22, 146:1,

146:11, 147:11,

147:16, 147:19,

147:23, 148:5, 149:3,

149:12, 149:15,

149:21, 149:25,

152:10, 152:13,

152:20, 152:25,

154:6, 154:23, 155:1,

155:7, 155:15,

155:21, 155:24,

156:1, 156:4, 162:2,

162:6, 162:11, 163:1,

163:2, 163:5, 164:19,

164:25, 166:3,

166:19, 166:21,

167:7, 167:10,

167:13, 168:4,

169:10, 169:15,

169:25, 170:6, 170:8,

170:13, 170:16,

170:20, 172:22,

173:7, 173:10,

173:17, 173:21,

174:2, 174:5, 174:10,

174:14, 174:17,

174:22, 175:1, 175:6,

175:11, 175:15,

175:25, 176:8, 177:4,

177:7, 178:19,

178:22, 179:1, 179:3,

179:5, 179:11,

179:22, 180:6, 180:9,

180:18, 181:6,

181:23, 182:11,

182:14, 183:5,

183:15, 183:18,

183:20, 183:24,

184:2, 184:13,

185:12, 185:14,

186:7, 186:10,

188:23, 189:11,

189:20, 189:23,

190:16, 190:20,

191:7, 191:16,

191:22, 193:11,

193:19, 193:24,

196:5, 209:7, 209:11,

209:13, 209:23,

210:4, 211:7, 211:10,

211:25, 215:9,

215:22, 217:18,

219:5, 222:21,

222:24, 223:20,

224:20, 225:21,

226:5, 226:12,

227:15, 228:8,

228:12, 228:23,

229:9, 231:7, 232:14,

233:7, 234:4, 234:10,

234:24, 235:3,

235:21, 236:23,

237:10, 238:7, 238:9,

239:19, 240:18,

241:8, 243:9, 243:23,

244:15, 245:23,

246:18, 248:23,

250:6, 250:13,

251:17, 258:6,

258:10, 259:1,

259:20, 260:8, 261:5,

261:25, 262:19,

262:22, 263:2,

263:21, 264:24,

265:3, 266:12,

267:14, 268:22,

270:6, 272:17,

274:13, 275:19,

277:5, 277:8, 277:11,

277:14, 277:17, 278:1

MS [7] - 187:8,

187:18, 187:21,

188:1, 188:3, 196:9,

196:25

multiple [3] - 133:20,

137:6, 249:18

Multiple [1] - 147:20

multiply [1] - 174:7

mundane [1] -

239:16

municipal [2] -

196:25, 197:2

municipalities [1] -

133:1

municipally [1] -

196:11

must [1] - 189:15

mutually [1] - 294:15

N

name [4] - 132:15,

142:25, 156:11, 300:8

namely [1] - 294:25

names [3] - 287:2,

292:12

NANCY [3] - 114:18,

301:5, 301:11

nancy@metzke.

com [1] - 114:24

Naples [1] - 142:22

narrow [2] - 121:5,

121:6

narrowed [1] - 272:8

nation [1] - 133:4

national [4] - 265:1,

266:17, 267:17,

273:23

nationwide [1] -

273:1

native [1] - 241:14

natural [1] - 137:24

naturally [1] - 136:16

nature [5] - 247:15,

268:12, 268:13, 293:9

Navigator [1] -

286:12

Navigators [4] -

262:18, 262:20,

286:6, 286:14

near [1] - 265:18

necessarily [3] -

196:21, 246:3, 262:14

necessary [3] -

160:17, 219:8, 219:11

necessity [1] -

249:20

need [33] - 120:23,

124:2, 128:11,

128:15, 136:15,

159:18, 159:20,

175:3, 176:1, 177:20,

180:12, 189:11,

191:8, 198:14,

202:23, 217:7,

217:10, 217:11,

218:8, 219:23, 224:5,

242:15, 266:10,

267:20, 267:23,

289:22, 296:20,

297:18, 297:24, 298:9

needed [3] - 219:10,

264:4, 278:10

needs [18] - 174:8,

175:22, 175:23,

194:9, 194:10,

194:21, 195:3,

195:18, 206:6, 223:3,

225:5, 229:7, 235:4,

235:9, 236:10,

271:20, 284:13,

289:24

NEGATIVE [1] -

169:18

negative [2] -

165:22, 292:6

net [1] - 292:6

never [9] - 144:3,

152:15, 160:1,

166:25, 167:3, 171:9,

218:17, 234:22, 294:5

nevertheless [3] -

124:3, 124:6, 276:17

new [8] - 193:12,

225:1, 263:5, 263:18,

266:25, 273:14,

300:10

next [14] - 130:18,

132:10, 133:16,

156:1, 192:18, 199:8,

208:4, 214:7, 226:3,

233:8, 251:3, 295:24,

299:23, 300:12

nice [2] - 197:7,

299:7

night [7] - 136:15,

174:9, 201:7, 228:18,

228:19, 231:6, 231:14

nine [5] - 203:4,

204:10, 208:3, 227:3,

231:10

NO [8] - 115:2,

116:3, 117:20, 132:6,

161:22, 162:24,

186:4, 278:25

nobody [3] - 229:16,

249:11, 297:17

non [2] - 159:22,

244:10

non-lawyers [1] -

244:10

non-permitted [1] -

159:22

none [4] - 117:21,

186:5, 194:18, 258:18

nonetheless [1] -

209:17

normal [1] - 293:8


18

normally [1] - 264:9

north [4] - 122:7,

134:22, 135:2, 137:3

northwest [5] -

133:25, 134:4, 134:6,

134:11, 135:11

noted [1] - 269:24

notes [1] - 301:6

nothing [9] - 135:22,

135:23, 160:20,

160:22, 178:1,

269:10, 289:1,

293:21, 294:5

notify [1] - 209:25

November [2] -

142:6, 142:9

nowhere [1] - 265:18

NPDS [1] - 128:25

NRC [1] - 175:9

nuclear [2] - 136:18,

156:20

Number [10] -

117:11, 117:23,

168:7, 181:4, 214:17,

214:18, 214:19,

257:14, 257:15,

259:18

number [14] -

123:15, 123:17,

128:17, 129:13,

166:23, 189:3,

214:17, 215:20,

216:4, 224:25,

229:23, 282:12,

285:21, 287:18

numbers [2] -

231:10, 259:2

Numeral [1] - 154:19

O

Obama [1] - 286:20

objections [3] -

117:19, 126:20, 186:3

obligation [3] -

168:18, 168:19,

175:16

obligations [2] -

168:25, 293:2

observations [2] -

246:15, 247:8

obviously [9] -

130:5, 165:23, 171:6,

223:17, 235:22,

248:18, 284:7,

296:25, 297:14

occasionally [1] -

239:6

occasions [1] -

250:7

occur [1] - 165:14

occurring [7] -

127:7, 136:16, 142:3,

151:25, 173:24,

179:8, 295:23

occurs [1] - 136:17

OF [19] - 114:1,

114:4, 114:12, 115:3,

115:5, 115:7, 115:9,

115:13, 115:18,

115:18, 115:20,

116:5, 187:2, 187:3,

214:3, 257:3, 301:3,

301:3

Offender [3] - 187:7,

187:13, 187:22

offender [14] - 189:1,

190:4, 190:6, 190:16,

192:12, 192:20,

192:22, 195:8,

196:21, 207:14,

207:15, 209:14,

209:15, 209:18

offense [1] - 197:21

offer [2] - 170:11,

273:20

offering [3] - 268:25,

269:6, 287:9

OFFICE [4] - 114:22,

115:3, 116:5, 257:3

Office [7] - 215:24,

215:25, 216:1,

220:17, 224:22,

244:21, 257:6

office [20] - 191:11,

212:22, 220:17,

220:24, 224:21,

225:13, 234:20,

237:18, 239:13,

244:13, 245:8, 245:9,

245:11, 247:11,

254:3, 254:5, 266:9,

273:15, 278:16,

278:19

officer [4] - 259:21,

281:3, 283:3, 285:17

OFFICER [1] -

114:11

offices [6] - 211:8,

225:10, 227:17,

236:11, 242:11,

247:10

official [2] - 218:10,

281:14

officials [3] - 223:2,

223:6, 223:10

often [3] - 207:6,

231:25, 232:24

oil [1] - 157:3

OIR [6] - 282:4,

288:20, 288:24,

289:12, 295:11,

297:20

old [1] - 227:2

older [1] - 288:9

OMB [1] - 271:11

OMISSION) [1] -

117:3

once [12] - 125:15,

129:19, 146:9,

175:18, 181:9,

229:19, 242:4,

247:21, 247:24,

292:3, 298:21

once-through [1] -

175:18

One [1] - 177:7

one [89] - 120:5,

121:22, 121:23,

122:22, 123:7,

126:21, 128:15,

129:24, 133:3, 137:9,

138:2, 138:4, 138:5,

140:10, 142:23,

143:2, 143:8, 143:22,

148:19, 151:6,

159:25, 160:12,

163:9, 169:11,

173:21, 174:9, 178:3,

180:2, 181:2, 181:24,

184:23, 187:16,

188:24, 189:4,

192:11, 195:12,

202:12, 203:14,

205:20, 212:7,

219:14, 226:18,

226:22, 229:13,

230:15, 232:25,

236:9, 237:13,

243:23, 244:2, 246:1,

247:2, 248:4, 248:20,

249:18, 253:16,

254:11, 255:25,

256:13, 260:2,

261:17, 263:9,

263:23, 264:23,

264:25, 265:4,

265:14, 267:20,

271:21, 275:10,

276:1, 281:7, 282:20,

283:20, 284:13,

285:14, 285:15,

286:17, 287:4, 288:5,

292:2, 292:23,

293:20, 294:16,

297:4, 297:5, 298:5

one-year [1] - 178:3

onerous [1] - 209:16

ones [1] - 173:13

ongoing [1] - 266:22

online [3] - 214:13,

246:20, 257:11

open [12] - 125:17,

234:4, 247:25, 257:8,

258:15, 282:2,

289:25, 291:12,

299:19, 299:21,

300:3, 300:6

opened [1] - 214:10

opening [2] - 269:18,

288:19

openness [1] - 283:7

operate [4] - 143:8,

143:19, 175:21,

249:21

operated [2] -

142:12, 144:1

operates [1] - 133:22

operating [6] -

119:4, 119:5, 133:4,

221:3, 259:21, 271:3

operation [7] -

135:22, 141:22,

143:14, 143:24,

144:7, 152:1, 154:10

operational [2] -

261:2, 271:1

operations [2] -

158:23, 165:9

opinion [1] - 259:12

opportunities [3] -

222:6, 232:15, 258:13

opportunity [24] -

156:13, 178:8,

202:13, 221:22,

226:20, 227:20,

229:10, 229:21,

230:9, 230:11,

231:15, 233:7,

258:12, 258:16,

258:20, 268:2, 268:9,

268:19, 270:1,

277:24, 293:4,

293:12, 294:7, 296:12

Opportunity [1] -

231:17

opposed [1] - 232:25

opposite [2] - 128:2,

148:17

optimum [1] - 294:18

option [3] - 190:13,

190:20, 191:23

options [7] - 172:16,

179:21, 189:17,

189:18, 189:22,

189:23, 283:19

order [27] - 121:20,

129:6, 136:10,

137:17, 141:13,

141:14, 142:9,

143:23, 150:7,

150:12, 150:13,

153:1, 153:8, 153:9,

161:7, 164:10, 166:7,

172:6, 176:13,

178:20, 189:2, 191:8,

212:10, 212:13,

218:8, 220:9, 221:4

Order [29] - 117:24,

118:5, 118:23,

118:25, 119:10,

122:20, 123:2, 123:3,

123:5, 123:8, 123:12,

124:19, 126:3, 130:4,

131:5, 131:25,

132:20, 138:20,

138:23, 144:23,

178:11, 179:23,

180:19, 181:4,

182:10, 182:20,

183:1, 185:8, 210:5

ordered [1] - 197:24

orders [1] - 158:14

ordinary [2] - 221:1,

221:6

organization [7] -

238:17, 238:19,

238:22, 239:24,

259:7, 266:23, 267:5

organized [1] -

238:15

organizing [1] -

241:20

original [1] - 298:23

originally [8] -

119:23, 121:15,

188:8, 194:21,

194:24, 201:10,

211:6, 262:3

otherwise [3] -

120:14, 125:9, 206:7

ought [4] - 231:5,

288:7, 299:17, 299:19

ourselves [2] -

191:18, 219:19

outcome [3] - 123:8,

123:11, 259:9

outcomes [1] - 218:5

outlined [2] - 276:16,

278:21

output [1] - 134:11

outside [9] - 158:8,

160:16, 171:10,

199:2, 230:3, 232:3,

266:17, 267:25, 268:6

outsource [1] -

278:15

outstanding [2] -

229:20, 288:25

outward [2] - 139:21,


19

140:8

overall [2] - 231:25,

290:8

overcome [1] -

260:13

overlap [1] - 291:22

overrun [1] - 138:13

overseeing [1] -

254:18

oversight [1] -

285:16

OVERTON [12] -

234:1, 234:4, 234:10,

234:24, 235:3,

235:21, 236:23,

237:10, 238:7, 238:9,

239:19, 240:18

Overton [3] - 115:24,

214:18, 233:8

overturn [3] -

151:16, 184:9, 184:11

overturns [2] - 273:8

own [9] - 140:1,

198:12, 216:14,

238:23, 260:21,

261:2, 263:24, 265:6,

271:7

owned [1] - 276:22

owner [4] - 171:20,

172:4, 172:17, 284:23

P

package [1] - 221:7

packet [1] - 122:9

page [2] - 141:12,

240:7

PAGE [2] - 115:2,

116:3

paid [7] - 262:8,

265:1, 274:16, 277:9,

277:11, 295:13,

295:14

PAM [1] - 114:10

Panhandle [1] -

245:16

paper [4] - 213:4,

227:3, 278:8, 278:18

papers [1] - 157:20

paperwork [1] -

247:16

parade [1] - 284:1

Paragraph [5] -

125:2, 126:9, 128:19,

129:10, 141:14

paragraph [1] -

179:6

parameters [1] -

120:19

pardon [19] - 189:5,

189:6, 189:13,

189:16, 190:22,

191:1, 191:9, 192:3,

192:5, 192:10,

192:20, 198:17,

199:12, 199:20,

200:1, 204:15, 208:6,

209:4, 264:24

pardoned [1] -

195:13

parents' [1] - 201:18

parimutuel [4] -

248:18, 248:23,

249:11, 254:19

park [2] - 196:14,

252:8

part [40] - 142:5,

143:8, 143:10,

144:22, 153:9,

153:10, 157:24,

162:15, 163:13,

163:22, 176:13,

176:14, 176:15,

176:16, 177:16,

187:18, 190:7,

200:25, 203:20,

206:17, 206:18,

219:15, 219:25,

221:6, 223:25,

224:18, 242:14,

245:14, 250:18,

269:8, 269:12,

270:17, 273:12,

275:16, 276:16,

277:3, 286:22,

289:20, 291:9, 298:8

partial [1] - 126:3

participate [3] -

201:23, 265:7, 293:16

participated [1] -

278:13

participating [2] -

196:13, 196:14

participation [1] -

274:2

participatory [2] -

234:11, 240:12

particular [7] -

151:10, 177:14,

199:1, 237:17,

237:23, 244:18, 271:3

particularly [8] -

200:6, 219:17, 220:2,

221:2, 221:8, 232:3,

268:24, 269:2

parties [3] - 122:23,

185:9, 274:12

partners [1] - 143:3

party [4] - 126:17,

166:7, 166:8, 176:7

pass [2] - 210:8,

272:11

passed [1] - 237:3

passion [1] - 232:20

passionately [1] -

228:6

past [4] - 219:17,

250:12, 282:13, 291:1

Pate [2] - 197:3,

212:11

PATE [29] - 197:8,

198:2, 198:20,

199:10, 199:13,

199:21, 199:23,

200:2, 200:12, 201:2,

201:4, 201:8, 201:16,

201:19, 203:19,

204:1, 204:13,

204:19, 204:22,

205:3, 205:9, 207:15,

207:20, 208:10,

209:1, 209:8, 209:21,

210:14, 212:24

paternity [1] - 245:17

path [3] - 217:3,

217:4, 250:18

paths [1] - 189:3

patience [2] - 223:4,

223:5

patterns [1] - 296:20

pay [4] - 235:12,

264:7, 277:3, 278:14

payback [1] - 262:13

paying [3] - 264:20,

292:17, 295:3

payments [4] -

242:20, 242:21,

245:5, 245:6

peculiar [1] - 151:10

peeling [1] - 271:16

people [74] - 160:6,

202:14, 215:20,

215:22, 216:8,

216:23, 217:1, 217:7,

230:21, 232:24,

234:8, 234:11,

234:14, 234:16,

234:20, 238:20,

239:4, 239:19,

239:23, 240:8,

240:15, 241:16,

242:13, 242:19,

242:20, 242:21,

243:17, 245:5, 246:2,

247:5, 247:24, 248:1,

250:19, 253:21,

253:23, 253:25,

254:17, 254:18,

258:21, 264:9,

265:10, 266:13,

267:6, 270:1, 270:4,

270:9, 270:10,

270:21, 277:22,

278:10, 278:15,

280:7, 282:12,

282:19, 282:25,

283:1, 283:11,

283:18, 283:23,

283:24, 283:25,

284:1, 284:8, 285:8,

285:13, 287:6, 287:8,

287:23, 288:8,

288:25, 294:8, 298:22

people's [2] -

240:13, 242:14

per [3] - 121:25,

162:18, 252:1

percentage [3] -

235:23, 262:8, 262:15

perception [2] -

227:17, 229:11

perceptions [1] -

235:1

perfect [1] - 294:6

perfectly [2] - 147:2,

149:12

perform [1] - 244:22

performance [3] -

224:14, 239:16, 240:2

performances [1] -

227:10

performed [1] -

255:15

performing [1] -

292:16

perimeter [2] -

122:7, 122:8

period [7] - 197:14,

216:19, 221:21,

230:10, 237:20,

263:8, 263:12

permanent [3] -

143:13, 143:18, 144:3

permission [2] -

196:19, 200:16

permit [17] - 125:16,

128:25, 129:5,

142:20, 143:5, 146:8,

146:14, 147:4, 147:5,

150:17, 153:10,

153:14, 153:18,

157:24, 174:18

permits [8] - 138:8,

138:11, 153:17,

157:10, 157:12,

158:21

permitted [1] -

159:22

permitting [2] -

118:12, 161:1

perpetuate [1] -

146:21

perpetuates [1] -

154:22

perpetuity [1] -

289:23

person [11] - 157:15,

171:19, 184:25,

202:8, 216:7, 224:2,

238:1, 254:6, 274:7,

282:21

personal [3] -

241:23, 271:23,

295:18

personally [1] -

276:21

personnel [1] -

282:24

perspective [7] -

167:20, 200:6,

231:18, 231:20,

247:19, 266:24, 274:6

Peter [2] - 130:19,

130:23

phased [1] - 232:25

philosophy [2] -

267:8, 281:9

phone [1] - 280:6

phones [1] - 198:8

physical [3] -

144:11, 177:13, 178:7

physically [1] - 227:5

picked [1] - 219:23

picks [1] - 252:3

picture [5] - 122:9,

160:1, 161:5, 228:24

pie [1] - 159:25

piece [1] - 159:25

piles [1] - 134:14

piling [1] - 135:4

PIP [7] - 272:23,

273:2, 296:11,

296:15, 296:17,

296:18, 297:4

place [11] - 119:21,

144:20, 147:3, 170:1,

189:8, 242:4, 247:2,

247:3, 290:2, 293:18,

294:6

placed [4] - 129:16,

129:18, 132:21, 195:4

placing [1] - 190:5

plan [6] - 178:4,

224:19, 251:1,

262:25, 276:16,

287:11

planning [1] - 218:10

PLANT [2] - 115:16,

117:4

Plant [4] - 118:1,


20

123:24, 131:17,

141:23

plant [9] - 118:13,

133:12, 133:13,

134:20, 143:10,

143:17, 143:18,

156:20, 184:7

Plant's [1] - 118:2

plant's [1] - 143:21

plants [3] - 133:24,

140:7, 160:19

played [4] - 250:4,

254:16, 272:14, 284:2

player [1] - 282:1

players [2] - 273:23,

274:8

playing [1] - 252:18

pleasantly [1] -

252:7

pleased [1] - 280:14

plume [25] - 127:5,

127:6, 139:17,

139:19, 140:2, 140:3,

140:11, 140:21,

141:4, 146:19,

154:22, 154:25,

155:1, 155:14,

157:21, 158:7, 158:8,

159:11, 161:14,

161:15, 162:15,

162:17, 163:10,

168:18, 168:19

pluses [1] - 238:10

podium [1] - 118:3

point [35] - 124:9,

125:9, 126:6, 133:18,

134:19, 143:22,

146:6, 146:7, 146:16,

146:17, 146:22,

147:6, 148:6, 151:3,

151:4, 152:25, 161:9,

162:12, 167:9,

167:24, 174:18,

177:20, 177:23,

193:20, 194:6, 196:6,

200:1, 202:4, 216:2,

219:11, 241:11,

242:5, 252:25, 275:6

Point [7] - 118:2,

131:8, 141:22,

156:20, 156:21,

157:17, 163:10

pointed [1] - 118:15

points [1] - 274:3

policies [6] - 260:4,

262:3, 264:15,

264:17, 288:10,

288:12

policy [15] - 221:15,

259:24, 259:25,

260:1, 260:22,

260:23, 266:6,

270:25, 271:2, 271:4,

272:2, 281:8, 288:3

policyholder [2] -

275:6, 295:2

policyholders [1] -

264:18

policymakers [2] -

260:22, 261:1

political [1] - 290:8

politically [1] -

281:20

politics [2] - 281:13,

291:3

poll [1] - 249:4

pollutants [1] -

137:22

polluting [1] - 160:16

pollution [4] -

160:15, 161:13,

181:19, 181:21

poor [1] - 140:13

poorly [1] - 290:24

porous [2] - 133:5,

133:7

portion [5] - 133:25,

134:5, 134:6, 134:11,

135:11

pose [1] - 197:18

position [26] -

121:10, 124:22,

156:7, 214:10,

216:24, 226:8,

241:21, 249:15,

257:8, 258:15,

260:11, 268:11,

270:3, 274:8, 283:4,

285:7, 289:3, 289:4,

289:5, 290:13,

291:10, 292:23,

293:7, 297:22, 299:12

positioned [1] -

288:24

positions [4] -

191:11, 244:1,

268:18, 281:25

positive [4] - 125:19,

200:23, 207:3, 243:5

possession [3] -

193:13, 193:14, 231:9

possible [5] -

166:16, 199:9,

199:10, 202:18, 211:8

possibly [1] - 218:16

POST [1] - 114:22

posted [2] - 214:13,

257:10

potential [2] - 125:4,

286:17

potentially [1] -

230:17

pounds [3] - 135:8,

135:12, 136:1

pour [2] - 135:16,

135:20

poured [1] - 135:16

Power [23] - 117:25,

118:2, 119:19,

119:23, 121:15,

122:15, 123:6,

123:23, 123:24,

124:5, 126:22,

127:18, 129:19,

130:19, 131:17,

137:12, 140:5,

140:16, 141:23,

142:8, 153:21, 163:3

POWER [2] - 115:16,

117:4

power [10] - 118:13,

133:12, 133:13,

143:10, 143:16,

143:18, 156:20,

160:19, 184:7, 220:25

powers [2] - 220:18,

220:23

Practices [1] -

292:13

predates [1] - 177:10

prefer [1] - 260:17

preference [1] -

193:1

premium [2] -

265:19, 266:6

premiums [5] -

262:9, 262:15,

264:21, 265:13,

272:21

Prendergast [1] -

115:6

prepared [12] -

180:23, 182:20,

183:2, 236:7, 248:21,

255:16, 281:7, 284:7,

289:8, 289:9, 297:18,

298:10

preparedness [1] -

284:18

prepares [2] -

235:18, 236:2

preparing [1] - 219:6

present [8] - 118:5,

143:1, 156:7, 164:10,

216:20, 216:21,

218:8, 265:11

presentation [1] -

252:21

presented [7] -

147:21, 149:8,

166:10, 170:24,

179:23, 192:5, 244:5

President [3] -

131:1, 156:12, 234:17

press [1] - 139:18

pressing [1] - 139:19

pressure [1] - 139:1

presumably [1] -

175:3

pretty [6] - 120:18,

129:7, 206:14,

268:14, 287:23,

296:23

prevent [4] - 142:2,

142:16, 162:14,

219:10

previous [4] -

248:16, 249:15,

281:25, 287:25

previously [3] -

118:22, 208:8, 281:19

price [4] - 274:2,

274:16, 276:9, 290:22

pricing [4] - 274:11,

287:1, 287:20, 288:2

prima [1] - 146:11

primarily [3] -

165:12, 200:12, 263:6

primary [3] - 138:15,

150:9, 173:13

principal [2] - 184:6,

249:20

principally [1] -

135:10

principals [3] -

249:18, 254:22,

268:12

principle [2] -

152:22, 221:20

principles [3] -

151:9, 242:16, 251:12

prison [7] - 194:11,

194:17, 195:17,

205:18, 205:19,

205:24, 207:4

Prison [1] - 198:8

private [12] - 157:14,

160:4, 230:10,

258:19, 261:12,

264:6, 264:14,

264:16, 265:5,

267:16, 283:19

private-sector [1] -

261:12

privatize [1] - 222:6

privatizing [1] -

274:25

privilege [1] - 226:6

proactive [4] - 292:9,

292:10, 292:22, 295:7

proactively [1] -

259:11

probation [28] -

190:6, 190:10,

190:16, 193:12,

193:15, 194:22,

194:24, 194:25,

198:19, 199:4,

199:17, 200:11,

202:12, 203:1, 203:3,

203:4, 203:16,

203:17, 203:21,

203:23, 204:8,

204:10, 206:12,

207:1, 207:16, 208:1,

208:3, 209:15

probationary [1] -

202:19

problem [19] - 140:6,

140:8, 155:10,

155:11, 160:2,

160:24, 162:19,

176:4, 179:8, 193:10,

195:14, 196:23,

207:19, 209:19,

230:13, 264:19,

272:22, 272:23,

272:24

problems [6] -

266:20, 266:23,

267:1, 271:15,

271:17, 273:12

Procedures [1] -

151:18

proceeding [10] -

118:19, 119:5,

119:19, 122:17,

132:17, 141:17,

142:15, 152:23,

153:1, 184:22

proceedings [1] -

301:6

proceeds [1] -

263:11

process [25] -

143:22, 173:14,

212:1, 218:19,

218:24, 220:5, 220:7,

220:9, 220:12, 227:3,

241:12, 249:23,

252:18, 253:5, 254:8,

254:9, 254:16,

255:12, 256:11,

256:15, 272:1, 275:8,

278:2, 286:25, 295:4

processed [1] -

210:19

processing [2] -

210:11, 278:16

produce [2] - 216:20,


21

218:15

produces [2] -

133:17, 133:24

product [5] - 230:19,

230:20, 294:24,

295:2, 295:3

production [1] -

122:25

products [2] -

287:18, 290:21

professional [4] -

235:18, 241:24,

249:14, 298:21

professionals [1] -

200:7

profitability [1] -

290:8

profitable [2] -

267:21, 267:24

profound [2] -

159:23, 283:19

Program [3] -

226:13, 264:1, 278:4

program [25] -

198:13, 203:11,

219:25, 221:3,

226:17, 228:19,

230:7, 230:8, 231:12,

263:22, 263:24,

264:5, 264:8, 264:11,

264:22, 265:6,

265:11, 271:7, 271:8,

275:4, 278:9, 278:12,

278:13, 278:20

programs [4] -

194:6, 194:7, 198:11,

269:10

progress [1] -

217:13

progressing [1] -

217:4

Project [1] - 131:2

project [3] - 131:3,

132:1, 143:4

projections [1] -

238:14

projects [1] - 121:16

prominent [1] -

249:2

promoting [1] -

228:20

pronged [1] - 268:4

proper [1] - 182:23

property [36] - 138:6,

138:9, 142:24,

142:25, 145:9,

156:23, 157:15,

158:6, 158:11,

158:20, 158:22,

160:4, 161:16,

162:17, 166:13,

168:20, 171:20,

172:4, 172:16, 223:8,

223:20, 230:7,

230:12, 230:14,

230:17, 234:20,

235:3, 235:6, 235:20,

235:21, 235:24,

236:25, 237:24,

267:13, 281:3, 296:21

Property [4] -

223:18, 236:19,

236:21, 295:9

proposal [9] -

128:20, 129:12,

131:7, 131:12,

131:18, 134:16,

166:8, 168:9, 222:1

proposed [4] -

122:25, 124:18,

141:18, 142:12

Proposed [1] -

117:24

proposing [1] -

129:12

prosecutor [1] -

198:25

prospectus [3] -

275:23, 276:2, 276:15

protect [5] - 158:6,

274:14, 274:21,

274:22, 275:7

protected [2] -

261:24, 286:10

protecting [2] -

292:12, 295:8

Protection [1] -

169:1

protection [4] -

174:9, 184:8, 271:23,

295:19

protest [2] - 220:5,

220:9

proud [6] - 241:14,

241:15, 255:25,

256:1, 278:17, 278:20

prove [3] - 120:14,

146:22, 157:23

proved [1] - 182:4

proven [3] - 146:16,

146:17, 160:23

proverbial [1] -

270:11

provide [9] - 125:1,

146:9, 157:6, 157:8,

162:13, 165:20,

192:25, 220:19, 233:2

provided [3] - 119:9,

124:6, 126:8

provides [2] -

123:13, 228:23

province [1] - 151:20

provision [3] -

154:15, 185:2, 221:10

public [22] - 214:15,

231:8, 231:21, 235:8,

235:10, 236:3,

257:14, 258:11,

258:14, 258:16,

258:18, 258:19,

258:21, 264:15,

268:21, 268:25,

269:6, 272:2, 281:8,

282:9, 284:4

pull [2] - 216:8,

216:23

pulled [1] - 134:20

pulling [1] - 153:17

pumps [1] - 133:11

punchy [1] - 244:11

punishment [1] -

189:7

purple [1] - 281:22

purpose [2] - 127:23,

174:23

purposes [3] - 122:1,

170:2, 201:21

pursuant [1] -

121:18

pursuing [1] - 163:9

purview [1] - 245:24

push [4] - 216:14,

217:7, 226:24, 230:3

pushed [3] - 140:8,

141:5, 217:7

pushes [3] - 134:15,

137:24, 139:21

pushing [3] - 139:2,

141:5, 195:10

put [32] - 121:7,

146:23, 148:14,

150:13, 153:19,

154:14, 163:8, 165:1,

165:18, 168:9,

169:13, 178:5, 193:7,

194:19, 205:4,

205:24, 205:25,

207:1, 212:11, 213:4,

220:9, 232:18,

236:15, 237:5, 242:4,

253:22, 264:4,

264:10, 277:24,

278:10, 296:15, 300:7

Putnam [10] - 194:4,

201:10, 202:2,

211:19, 212:9,

215:11, 241:10,

243:21, 253:9, 275:13

PUTNAM [98] -

114:12, 117:15,

152:7, 152:11,

152:14, 152:21,

154:1, 154:5, 154:20,

154:24, 155:6, 155:9,

155:18, 173:3, 173:5,

173:8, 173:15,

173:18, 174:1, 174:3,

174:6, 174:11,

174:15, 174:21,

174:23, 175:2, 175:7,

175:22, 176:3,

176:21, 181:2,

181:17, 182:23,

183:1, 183:10, 185:6,

185:18, 185:25,

192:15, 196:1,

196:22, 197:3, 199:8,

199:11, 204:25,

205:14, 205:22,

206:10, 206:13,

206:22, 207:8,

207:11, 207:18,

207:21, 208:22,

209:9, 210:1, 210:7,

210:20, 210:24,

211:2, 211:12,

211:16, 211:21,

212:14, 212:18,

212:21, 213:3,

218:22, 222:14,

228:3, 229:4, 230:24,

232:4, 238:5, 238:8,

239:9, 246:14,

248:15, 250:1,

253:11, 254:14,

255:4, 255:6, 255:9,

255:21, 263:15,

266:8, 267:10, 268:8,

269:14, 277:21,

278:23, 288:18,

290:23, 291:14,

293:3, 293:23

Putnam's [1] -

177:20

putting [3] - 132:24,

144:13, 296:1

Q

qualification [1] -

291:16

qualified [1] - 222:19

qualify [1] - 293:20

quality [8] - 128:21,

129:4, 137:18,

146:18, 150:10,

165:16, 290:7

quarter [2] - 138:6,

295:14

quasi [1] - 119:5

questioned [1] -

142:7

questions [30] -

130:5, 130:25, 132:3,

132:5, 149:23, 152:5,

155:20, 155:21,

156:6, 159:20,

161:21, 162:23,

164:1, 171:5, 172:24,

179:14, 187:23,

187:24, 215:7, 215:8,

218:21, 220:3, 225:9,

227:25, 234:6, 244:4,

244:17, 250:19,

277:19, 286:4

quick [4] - 170:12,

189:22, 216:13, 224:3

quicker [1] - 299:3

quickly [3] - 202:18,

216:13, 225:7

quite [2] - 165:19,

250:3

quote [3] - 151:16,

155:4, 288:19

quoted [1] - 178:19

quoting [1] - 142:8

R

radar [1] - 297:8

radiator [1] - 133:2

rail [1] - 236:15

rains [1] - 175:3

rainy [1] - 174:6

raise [4] - 124:1,

128:10, 164:7, 177:21

raised [6] - 123:15,

123:17, 123:20,

128:22, 177:22,

177:23

ran [2] - 228:14,

283:25

range [1] - 271:18

ranging [1] - 282:16

rapidly [3] - 159:12,

292:5, 292:6

rate [7] - 155:2,

163:14, 168:13,

265:23, 291:22,

295:24

rates [2] - 275:5,

298:7

rather [8] - 141:13,

206:11, 206:24,

212:11, 212:12,

232:2, 263:8, 278:14

ratio [1] - 265:17

RE [1] - 114:4

reach [2] - 259:11,

276:8


22

reaches [3] - 145:8,

158:22, 267:17

reacquaint [2] -

193:8, 195:6

reactor [1] - 136:18

read [11] - 127:5,

127:6, 153:18,

178:21, 179:6, 246:4,

246:20, 246:21,

276:15, 289:24,

293:19

reading [3] - 125:14,

127:14, 176:16

ready [2] - 214:6,

297:15

real [2] - 170:12,

250:15

Real [1] - 210:19

realistically [2] -

210:17, 210:22

realize [2] - 221:21,

246:2

realizes [1] - 253:14

really [26] - 146:25,

150:13, 189:22,

197:8, 212:10,

228:12, 228:13,

229:11, 229:12,

236:9, 252:13,

252:14, 252:16,

258:12, 259:14,

261:13, 262:1, 266:5,

266:9, 266:10,

266:14, 266:17,

270:12, 272:18,

291:15, 291:20

reason [7] - 140:12,

148:19, 164:14,

213:3, 274:22, 288:7,

292:25

reasonable [12] -

126:13, 137:22,

144:20, 153:5,

180:13, 180:25,

182:15, 183:7,

185:15, 185:21,

210:13, 282:2

reasonably [1] -

238:15

reasoned [2] -

167:24, 224:6

reasoning [1] - 131:6

reasons [2] - 128:17,

286:14

receivable [3] -

229:18, 229:20, 231:3

receivables [1] -

232:8

received [5] -

214:12, 223:16,

223:19, 257:9, 280:6

recent [3] - 127:12,

219:22, 224:20

recently [1] - 196:7

Recession [1] -

224:23

recited [1] - 150:6

reckless [1] - 289:7

recognize [5] -

187:6, 215:5, 224:13,

258:4, 280:3

recognized [1] -

226:17

recognizes [1] -

258:11

recognizing [2] -

224:4, 242:24

recommend [11] -

118:24, 126:9, 129:9,

129:23, 130:3,

165:23, 176:20,

180:18, 182:19,

259:14, 260:25

recommendation [7]

- 123:6, 141:12,

179:25, 180:1,

180:11, 180:16,

182:10

Recommended [12] -

118:25, 122:20,

123:2, 123:12,

124:19, 130:4,

132:20, 138:20,

138:23, 180:19,

181:4, 185:8

recommended [6] -

126:24, 131:12,

153:3, 179:6, 179:7,

185:10

recommending [3] -

122:21, 131:24,

179:22

record [28] - 119:8,

119:12, 119:15,

120:24, 121:7,

127:10, 133:20,

135:9, 138:5, 139:5,

140:1, 142:5, 147:18,

148:10, 163:11,

163:22, 167:3,

170:23, 171:11,

174:17, 176:11,

176:17, 177:17,

178:16, 245:1,

255:14, 301:6

records [1] - 237:17

redress [1] - 272:22

reduce [3] - 163:14,

175:4, 229:21

reduced [1] - 155:2

reducing [1] - 274:24

reduction [3] -

232:7, 265:22, 265:23

redundant [1] -

182:3

reentry [6] - 194:5,

194:7, 198:11,

198:13, 202:7, 203:11

refer [1] - 126:1

reference [1] -

221:14

referenced [2] -

269:5, 285:18

referring [1] - 149:21

reflected [1] - 126:10

reflective [1] -

127:12

refund [1] - 220:6

refuse [2] - 196:17,

196:18

refute [2] - 129:7,

129:20

regain [1] - 229:8

regard [2] - 135:24,

265:3

regarding [6] -

124:2, 126:3, 185:15,

185:21, 242:5, 275:15

regardless [1] -

129:15

regional [1] - 242:11

regions [1] - 242:11

register [7] - 189:1,

190:3, 192:12, 209:3,

209:14, 209:17, 237:5

registration [2] -

189:2, 196:21

regular [1] - 287:7

regulate [3] - 278:11,

278:12, 297:20

regulating [2] -

178:13, 266:18

REGULATION [3] -

115:3, 116:5, 257:3

Regulation [3] -

257:7, 292:14, 299:13

regulation [5] -

177:11, 177:14,

281:12, 290:7, 293:1

regulations [1] -

278:11

regulator [2] -

291:15, 292:1

regulatory [3] -

281:25, 291:11,

294:19

reign [1] - 208:15

reinsurance [3] -

280:22, 280:25, 297:6

reject [2] - 119:11,

119:18

rejected [1] - 124:3

rejection [1] - 180:21

related [7] - 125:13,

125:16, 142:13,

152:22, 159:13,

181:14, 245:21

relates [5] - 152:11,

168:6, 281:8, 284:21,

287:19

relating [1] - 298:11

relationship [1] -

245:18

relationships [1] -

223:12

release [1] - 189:7

released [2] - 199:9,

210:12

relief [3] - 220:19,

272:10, 296:10

religious [2] -

201:21, 204:19

relitigate [3] - 148:4,

163:7, 172:12

reluctant [1] - 176:18

remainder [1] -

138:18

remaining [1] -

190:12

remarkable [1] -

229:14

remediate [1] -

161:13

remedy [1] - 220:19

remove [1] - 189:2

removed [1] - 195:8

removing [1] -

168:17

reoffending [1] -

197:20

replacing [1] - 139:6

report [6] - 209:14,

209:17, 254:22,

270:16, 282:20, 301:5

REPORTED [1] -

114:18

Reporter [1] - 301:11

REPORTER [1] -

114:18

REPORTERS [1] -

114:22

reporting [4] - 190:4,

207:2, 209:19, 293:9

reports [2] - 216:3,

216:4

represent [1] - 282:7

Representative [6] -

257:15, 280:4, 280:5,

282:11, 294:1, 299:14

representative [2] -

288:18, 297:2

REPRESENTATIVE

[22] - 280:14, 280:19,

282:15, 283:17,

284:12, 284:25,

285:3, 285:10,

286:11, 287:13,

287:16, 287:22,

288:16, 288:23,

291:1, 291:21,

293:15, 294:14,

295:20, 296:14,

297:13, 298:17

representatives [3] -

217:24, 237:1, 249:2

represented [2] -

187:14, 259:3

representing [4] -

130:24, 132:11,

132:16, 275:21

represents [1] -

273:15

reputation [6] -

246:16, 248:24,

254:7, 266:14, 285:5,

285:14

request [10] -

117:25, 122:14,

123:6, 123:16,

142:15, 158:17,

161:4, 180:1, 187:9,

222:8

requested [2] -

142:1, 151:19

require [7] - 145:7,

161:13, 190:2, 244:2,

271:17, 273:6, 295:17

required [4] -

124:23, 168:10,

175:8, 175:16

requirement [2] -

174:20, 189:3

requirements [8] -

163:13, 190:4,

190:17, 190:18,

209:16, 290:19,

293:19, 293:20

requires [3] - 122:23,

182:17, 267:15

res [1] - 126:5

Research [1] -

215:25

reservation [1] -

291:2

residence [3] -

196:12, 200:13,

201:20

residency [1] -

190:18

residents [1] -


23

156:18

resolution [1] -

168:23

Resource [1] -

215:25

resources [6] -

125:5, 141:25,

146:20, 160:4,

220:10, 283:5

respect [14] - 118:17,

123:10, 123:12,

123:16, 123:17,

127:11, 130:2, 146:4,

175:13, 220:4,

220:14, 259:13,

287:9, 292:11

respectful [1] -

166:11

respectfully [4] -

151:6, 151:11,

154:14, 166:13

respects [1] - 254:8

respond [5] - 216:13,

221:4, 225:4, 268:19,

293:12

respondents [1] -

141:15

responding [2] -

285:15, 285:16

response [5] -

150:24, 223:3,

250:23, 250:25,

293:21

RESPONSE) [10] -

117:20, 132:6,

155:22, 161:22,

162:24, 179:15,

186:4, 251:19,

251:22, 278:25

responsibilities [3] -

241:24, 293:8, 294:4

responsibility [2] -

232:10, 283:5

responsible [4] -

131:3, 242:9, 260:2,

282:3

responsive [5] -

220:2, 225:7, 230:4,

249:19, 291:13

responsiveness [3] -

219:8, 219:15, 267:9

rest [1] - 151:2

restate [1] - 180:15

restriction [1] -

196:12

restrictions [2] -

196:16, 205:24

restrictive [2] -

196:10, 197:17

result [10] - 136:17,

140:2, 140:14,

141:19, 143:6,

151:25, 177:9,

216:20, 269:6, 271:21

resulted [1] - 264:12

results [4] - 124:13,

140:17, 158:25,

216:21

resume [2] - 226:12,

273:18

retains [1] - 207:14

retire [1] - 239:23

returned [1] - 215:23

Reuters [1] - 230:20

REVENUE [2] -

115:20, 214:3

Revenue [15] -

214:9, 218:9, 226:9,

226:15, 226:21,

228:17, 229:16,

229:19, 231:9, 242:2,

246:15, 248:22,

249:9, 251:25, 254:25

revenue [5] - 226:19,

231:19, 238:14,

259:4, 276:3

Revenue's [1] -

226:17

revenues [1] - 276:8

reversible [1] -

170:21

review [5] - 119:6,

126:7, 148:9, 162:9,

269:8

Review [3] - 187:7,

187:13, 187:22

revisit [1] - 227:21

rewards [1] - 258:17

reweigh [1] - 127:22

reweighing [2] -

128:7, 150:2

RICK [1] - 114:10

rid [3] - 239:1,

239:21, 267:6

rider [2] - 263:6,

288:12

rights [4] - 138:11,

160:4, 161:17, 295:8

Rights [2] - 221:9,

221:17

risen [2] - 217:25,

225:17

rising [1] - 225:15

Risk [1] - 278:4

risk [11] - 191:14,

197:18, 197:20,

197:22, 197:25,

198:5, 230:2, 268:2,

268:3, 273:24, 275:3

risks [2] - 275:24,

276:15

road [3] - 120:25,

157:9, 269:20

Robert [5] - 115:22,

214:17, 215:5,

217:14, 222:15

ROBERT [1] - 215:2

robust [1] - 270:3

rock [1] - 157:2

role [27] - 118:16,

146:25, 147:2, 148:2,

149:6, 150:20,

150:25, 151:1, 151:7,

216:4, 216:15,

216:24, 217:18,

218:2, 223:24,

225:15, 241:7,

254:17, 255:11,

259:19, 259:21,

259:25, 260:6, 284:9,

284:10, 284:12, 286:5

roles [5] - 215:19,

217:9, 248:17, 250:4,

250:5

roll [2] - 203:3,

204:10

Roman [1] - 154:19

room [8] - 169:17,

172:1, 232:16, 243:7,

243:8, 243:19, 248:7,

272:18

ROOM [1] - 114:15

rooms [1] - 290:3

roughly [1] - 139:6

row [2] - 138:4,

296:5

RPR [3] - 114:18,

301:5, 301:11

rule [3] - 167:1,

218:4, 236:24

ruled [2] - 142:4,

144:5

rules [4] - 121:18,

125:20, 126:2, 126:10

ruling [2] - 142:6,

172:18

rulings [1] - 161:5

Rumph [1] - 196:5

RUMPH [2] - 196:9,

196:25

run [10] - 136:18,

140:15, 190:11,

248:22, 253:20,

263:22, 265:10,

269:9, 283:5, 293:13

run-up [1] - 293:13

runaway [1] - 295:22

running [1] - 231:2

runs [2] - 133:23,

140:7

S

safe [2] - 188:9,

231:13

salary [1] - 299:15

saleability [1] -

159:4

sales [3] - 221:14,

221:17, 237:13

saline [2] - 131:21,

144:13

salinity [7] - 122:2,

127:3, 127:11,

127:12, 136:21,

174:24, 175:5

salt [12] - 134:2,

135:8, 135:13,

135:21, 136:1, 136:7,

136:8, 138:4, 159:3,

159:11, 160:11,

246:23

salt/fresh [1] -

158:21

saltier [1] - 136:12

saltwater [27] -

133:17, 133:23,

134:18, 136:9,

136:11, 137:25,

138:13, 138:16,

138:19, 140:20,

141:5, 145:7, 146:19,

150:8, 157:21,

157:24, 158:1, 160:9,

163:14, 163:21,

163:25, 168:8,

168:13, 178:4

saltwater/fresh [1] -

158:18

salty [4] - 134:1,

137:9, 138:4, 138:5

samples [1] - 158:24

Sams [1] - 130:24

sand [2] - 157:2,

157:4

Sara [1] - 196:5

Sarasota [1] - 245:16

satisfied [1] - 224:17

satisfy [2] - 197:11,

199:5

Saturnia [3] -

142:24, 143:1, 143:4

saw [4] - 150:3,

176:25, 258:15,

293:16

scale [1] - 239:22

scatter [1] - 212:18

scenario [1] - 141:7

scheduled [2] -

214:14, 257:12

school [13] - 152:18,

196:1, 196:13,

196:17, 196:23,

201:14, 205:1, 205:6,

205:11, 206:16,

228:5, 228:13, 228:18

science [2] - 173:15,

287:23

scientific [2] -

181:22, 184:16

scope [1] - 282:22

score [1] - 290:23

Scott [2] - 215:10,

241:8

scott [1] - 206:9

SCOTT [213] -

114:10, 117:6,

117:13, 117:17,

117:19, 117:21,

118:7, 119:25, 120:3,

120:7, 130:6, 130:11,

130:16, 130:21,

132:4, 132:7, 132:12,

144:24, 145:2,

145:14, 145:16,

145:20, 145:24,

146:10, 147:7, 148:1,

148:23, 149:13,

149:16, 149:20,

149:22, 152:4,

155:19, 155:23,

155:25, 156:3,

161:20, 162:22,

162:25, 163:4, 164:2,

164:12, 164:14,

164:17, 169:8,

169:11, 169:16,

169:19, 170:11,

170:14, 170:18,

171:12, 171:15,

172:20, 172:23,

173:2, 173:4, 176:22,

178:14, 179:10,

179:13, 179:16,

179:20, 179:24,

180:8, 180:15, 182:9,

182:12, 182:21,

182:25, 185:13,

185:17, 185:19,

185:23, 186:1, 186:3,

186:5, 186:9, 186:14,

187:5, 187:16,

187:19, 187:25,

188:2, 188:4, 188:10,

188:13, 188:20,

189:10, 189:17,

189:21, 190:19,

191:4, 191:10,

191:19, 192:8, 193:9,

193:17, 193:21,

194:1, 195:20,


24

195:23, 196:3, 196:8,

197:7, 197:25, 198:4,

199:15, 199:22,

199:24, 200:4,

201:25, 203:5, 204:5,

205:21, 206:4,

206:19, 207:23,

208:9, 208:18,

209:12, 211:9,

211:11, 211:14,

211:17, 211:22,

212:3, 212:5, 213:1,

213:7, 213:12,

213:15, 214:5, 215:4,

215:16, 217:14,

218:20, 222:11,

224:9, 225:20, 226:3,

226:10, 227:11,

227:24, 229:3,

230:23, 232:5, 233:5,

233:8, 234:3, 234:7,

234:22, 234:25,

235:16, 236:17,

238:4, 239:10,

240:17, 241:3, 243:4,

243:15, 244:8,

246:13, 250:2,

251:16, 251:18,

251:20, 251:23,

252:5, 252:10,

253:16, 253:19,

255:8, 256:7, 256:9,

257:5, 258:4, 258:7,

258:23, 259:18,

260:5, 261:3, 261:19,

263:14, 264:23,

264:25, 269:15,

275:9, 275:12, 277:2,

277:6, 277:9, 277:12,

277:15, 277:18,

278:24, 279:1, 280:3,

280:16, 282:11,

283:13, 284:9,

284:22, 285:1, 285:4,

285:23, 288:17,

293:24, 298:16,

298:18, 299:16,

300:3, 300:9

screen [1] - 297:9

Scroggs [1] - 131:2

scrutiny [2] - 254:22,

268:17

sea [2] - 133:19,

134:8

season [1] - 174:6

seawater [1] -

136:12

second [15] - 117:17,

117:18, 120:1,

144:25, 145:16,

164:12, 186:1, 186:2,

190:20, 208:20,

252:1, 252:9, 258:18,

289:20, 299:16

secondly [1] -

270:11

seconds [1] - 271:17

secret [1] - 269:9

Secretary [1] -

118:18

section [2] - 153:16,

154:17

Section [6] - 123:13,

125:16, 153:15,

153:20, 153:23

sections [1] - 126:2

sector [12] - 258:11,

258:19, 258:21,

261:12, 264:6,

264:14, 264:15,

264:16, 267:16,

283:20

sectors [1] - 265:5

Security [1] - 231:10

see [35] - 136:15,

160:8, 160:17,

171:21, 189:23,

194:6, 194:18,

194:20, 195:2,

204:11, 213:3, 219:3,

229:11, 230:25,

236:11, 243:6,

252:17, 259:18,

259:20, 266:10,

269:20, 276:15,

284:9, 284:10,

286:19, 287:2, 288:6,

288:9, 294:13, 299:8,

299:21, 299:24, 300:9

seeing [5] - 158:15,

176:15, 236:14,

272:14

seek [5] - 218:12,

220:24, 259:6, 259:7,

272:21

seeking [3] - 218:18,

242:19, 260:15

seepage [4] - 135:5,

135:6, 135:9, 139:2

seeps [3] - 134:17,

134:20, 135:1

selected [2] -

214:14, 257:13

self [1] - 228:15

self-funded [1] -

228:15

sell [2] - 230:17,

264:6

selling [2] - 264:13

semi [1] - 250:16

Senate [1] - 224:1

send [1] - 207:4

Senior [1] - 131:2

senior [1] - 226:14

seniors [4] - 262:25,

263:7, 263:10, 287:12

sense [4] - 219:8,

219:21, 235:9, 264:20

sentence [5] - 166:6,

181:5, 184:10,

187:10, 187:20

sentenced [1] -

193:16

sentinel [1] - 159:2

separate [2] -

118:18, 153:1

separately [1] -

153:13

separation [1] -

173:24

September [3] -

205:16, 206:1, 206:2

SEQUENCE [1] -

117:2

series [1] - 142:22

serve [10] - 198:21,

223:25, 241:16,

242:6, 258:13,

260:19, 261:17,

283:18, 283:20, 284:7

served [3] - 193:17,

239:12, 284:7

service [7] - 236:3,

258:16, 258:18,

264:7, 265:5, 282:9,

284:5

Services [1] - 225:16

servicing [2] -

264:13

Session [2] - 225:5

session [1] - 237:3

set [8] - 191:24,

194:7, 200:25, 207:6,

247:25, 278:8, 294:5,

294:6

sets [6] - 232:12,

239:17, 242:24,

250:10, 259:24, 289:1

setting [2] - 216:22,

274:10

settle [1] - 277:16

settled [2] - 217:8,

269:7

settlement [3] -

275:18, 277:4, 277:12

seven [1] - 126:19

several [9] - 163:17,

164:9, 164:22,

228:19, 232:14,

232:19, 242:12,

258:13, 263:2

severely [2] - 138:10,

138:12

sex [14] - 189:1,

190:4, 190:6, 190:16,

192:12, 192:20,

192:22, 195:8,

196:21, 207:14,

207:15, 209:14,

209:15, 209:18

share [5] - 156:13,

235:13, 266:14,

269:25, 281:20

shareholder [1] -

276:10

shareholders [3] -

275:21, 276:12,

276:14

shares [3] - 276:18,

276:19, 276:22

sheet [2] - 278:8,

278:18

shifting [1] - 242:8

shifts [1] - 146:12

shop [1] - 283:9

shopping [1] -

208:16

short [1] - 230:10

shot [1] - 144:15

show [2] - 124:7,

290:18

shown [2] - 285:21

shows [3] - 140:15,

159:10, 292:4

shrink [3] - 140:11,

140:22, 140:24

shrinking [2] -

248:19, 249:1

shut [2] - 158:23,

174:2

shutdown [1] -

143:22

sic [1] - 222:18

sick [1] - 158:25

side [15] - 120:11,

133:13, 134:13,

134:22, 135:3,

147:21, 149:9,

159:11, 170:25,

177:2, 222:3, 246:5,

267:13, 271:24, 274:9

sides [2] - 139:20,

172:13

sign [7] - 210:4,

210:9, 212:12,

212:19, 212:20,

289:23, 289:24

signature [1] - 213:5

signed [1] - 237:4

significant [7] -

158:5, 222:16, 223:6,

226:25, 280:9,

281:16, 282:12

significantly [2] -

287:24, 288:1

similar [5] - 118:17,

220:8, 225:14, 257:7,

260:7

similarities [1] -

246:11

simple [3] - 162:12,

241:13, 287:23

simplest [3] -

128:18, 154:8, 182:12

simplify [1] - 183:12

simply [8] - 127:21,

129:7, 130:1, 130:3,

165:21, 193:22,

241:19, 291:23

single [1] - 140:19

sinks [1] - 136:4

sit [5] - 119:6,

121:11, 149:15,

247:15, 290:3

SITING [2] - 115:16,

117:4

Siting [21] - 117:8,

117:10, 117:12,

118:1, 118:11, 119:3,

123:24, 131:17,

141:18, 141:22,

141:23, 142:10,

142:16, 145:5,

151:11, 155:5,

160:18, 161:10,

173:12, 185:5, 186:7

siting [3] - 118:12,

161:11, 184:7

sits [2] - 133:6, 136:6

sitting [4] - 167:15,

185:4, 274:7, 283:9

situation [6] -

158:14, 185:2,

207:13, 218:17,

260:7, 272:12

situations [1] - 221:1

six [30] - 122:5,

160:6, 190:9, 197:10,

198:18, 199:2, 199:3,

199:16, 199:17,

202:25, 203:1, 203:6,

203:7, 203:16,

203:17, 203:20,

203:23, 203:24,

204:6, 204:8, 205:15,

205:17, 206:23,

207:25

size [4] - 133:3,

137:2, 248:22, 297:23

skill [4] - 232:12,


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239:17, 250:10, 289:1

skills [2] - 184:24,

251:11

slip [2] - 202:8,

202:20

Sloan [1] - 287:2

slow [4] - 131:21,

155:13, 220:11,

252:19

slowly [2] - 206:7,

208:16

slows [1] - 168:13

small [3] - 159:25,

235:22, 284:23

smart [2] - 212:14,

212:21

Snurkowski [1] -

188:18

Social [1] - 231:10

society [1] - 201:23

sold [1] - 294:24

Sole [2] - 163:2,

164:3

SOLE [8] - 163:5,

167:7, 167:10, 168:4,

169:10, 169:15,

169:21, 175:15

solely [1] - 196:20

solid [1] - 212:17

solution [8] - 141:4,

160:14, 178:7,

178:10, 218:18,

261:12, 263:19,

284:20

solutions [2] -

150:25, 275:15

solve [3] - 266:22,

266:25, 273:3

solved [2] - 140:5,

207:18

solvency [1] - 290:18

someone [16] -

121:5, 140:23,

153:19, 164:6, 166:9,

167:25, 169:5,

192:16, 192:17,

194:8, 195:15,

195:16, 197:18,

198:7, 254:16, 294:10

sometimes [6] -

239:23, 246:22,

247:9, 249:5, 249:9,

293:2

somewhat [9] -

119:4, 121:4, 121:6,

127:14, 144:13,

148:6, 150:15, 155:2,

216:6

somewhere [1] -

139:16

soon [2] - 210:4,

211:8

sooner [2] - 195:14,

255:17

sorry [7] - 144:22,

149:18, 150:8,

169:10, 172:7,

222:24, 262:19

sort [6] - 119:6,

154:12, 234:8,

236:25, 258:25,

277:21

sought [1] - 121:15

Soul [1] - 130:25

sound [2] - 131:6,

244:25

source [4] - 131:19,

144:11, 163:24,

181:19

south [1] - 161:17

South [5] - 131:15,

131:22, 139:24,

140:16, 159:7

southeast [1] -

156:19

southeastern [1] -

138:17

space [1] - 268:21

speaker [3] - 130:8,

156:1, 163:2

SPEAKER [1] - 213:8

speakers [4] -

130:20, 172:21,

172:25, 179:12

speaking [1] - 274:4

speaks [1] - 273:25

special [5] - 189:25,

190:7, 190:12,

190:22, 200:15

specialities [1] -

185:3

specific [5] - 152:8,

166:6, 167:5, 220:6,

232:10

specifically [5] -

125:20, 131:18,

181:4, 229:7, 236:2

specifics [3] -

175:14, 176:12, 187:9

spectrum [2] -

241:18, 270:9

Speedway [1] -

137:4

spend [1] - 236:12

spending [1] -

266:16

spent [2] - 222:21,

223:1

sphere [1] - 244:24

spike [1] - 127:12

spoken [2] - 232:7,

232:8

sponsor [1] - 295:10

sponsored [1] -

296:14

sponsors [1] -

286:18

spot [3] - 138:25,

200:9, 274:7

spread [2] - 141:5,

275:3

spreading [2] -

140:21, 144:13

spreads [1] - 136:6

spreadsheet [2] -

290:5, 290:6

square [2] - 137:2,

159:10

squeezed [1] -

286:24

stable [1] - 138:19

stacked [1] - 255:13

staff [9] - 216:20,

217:25, 218:17,

224:1, 224:22, 225:2,

229:6, 278:15

staffs [1] - 260:17

stakeholders [6] -

247:18, 248:16,

248:25, 259:8,

260:16, 260:24

stand [2] - 215:13,

292:23

standard [5] - 149:3,

151:19, 152:15,

175:12, 219:1

standards [7] -

131:13, 131:14,

137:17, 137:18,

137:20, 146:18,

150:10

standing [31] -

124:24, 125:2, 125:8,

125:22, 126:1, 142:7,

142:14, 144:18,

144:19, 144:20,

151:3, 151:6, 151:19,

180:10, 180:11,

180:22, 180:24,

181:7, 181:8, 181:10,

181:11, 182:4, 184:4,

184:15, 184:17,

184:19, 184:21,

185:15, 185:21, 274:8

standpoint [8] -

182:2, 221:24, 235:4,

235:8, 283:11, 288:6,

291:11, 294:19

start [5] - 172:4,

215:17, 241:11,

270:6, 297:10

started [5] - 117:6,

229:19, 250:14,

265:1, 278:7

starts [3] - 203:6,

276:3, 292:3

STATE [3] - 114:1,

115:9, 301:3

State [18] - 118:11,

133:1, 137:16,

137:18, 160:4,

171:19, 175:9,

177:11, 197:1, 198:8,

218:11, 221:15,

221:23, 231:1,

231:23, 232:18,

246:10, 274:15

state [26] - 157:11,

163:19, 235:25,

237:1, 241:15,

242:12, 245:15,

249:2, 253:24, 254:1,

263:20, 266:4,

266:15, 266:17,

267:22, 267:25,

268:3, 268:6, 268:13,

281:9, 281:14, 290:1,

291:17, 291:24,

293:10

State's [2] - 159:14,

168:1

statement [3] -

164:24, 234:5, 285:11

states [5] - 143:23,

272:14, 281:24,

291:22, 296:21

States [3] - 261:7,

280:23, 281:5

statewide [3] -

219:12, 232:18,

241:22

static [1] - 289:2

statistical [1] -

238:12

status [1] - 207:14

statute [6] - 129:18,

165:2, 197:1, 197:2,

209:3, 273:3

Statutes [1] - 237:6

statutes [3] - 246:4,

246:7, 273:9

statutory [3] -

220:18, 293:19,

293:20

Stay [1] - 206:19

stay [2] - 201:7,

206:20

stays [1] - 134:3

steadily [1] - 160:5

steam [3] - 133:17,

133:24, 134:2

stenographic [1] -

301:6

stenographically [1]

- 301:5

step [2] - 241:19,

298:22

stepped [1] - 255:25

stepping [2] -

171:24, 256:3

Steve [3] - 131:2,

156:2, 156:11

stick [1] - 120:12

sticking [1] - 271:16

stigma [2] - 192:22,

195:7

still [15] - 128:13,

140:20, 140:21,

190:2, 190:3, 191:12,

193:3, 194:14, 195:5,

195:6, 203:8, 210:11,

212:20, 252:23, 272:3

stipulate [1] - 155:13

stipulated [1] - 185:9

stock [2] - 276:9,

276:22

stool [2] - 270:12,

270:18

stop [9] - 119:25,

141:8, 145:6, 161:15,

162:16, 162:19,

164:12, 221:2, 291:13

stopped [1] - 145:8

stops [1] - 160:20

store [7] - 200:17,

200:22, 200:24,

201:14, 204:17,

204:21, 206:15

story [1] - 156:13

straight [2] - 200:11,

200:14

straightforward [1] -

282:24

strategy [1] - 232:23

strengthen [2] -

220:16, 220:24

strengths [1] - 219:2

strike [1] - 181:5

strong [4] - 229:25,

237:8, 253:18, 296:23

stronger [2] -

252:20, 269:21

strongly [8] - 181:24,

202:15, 203:10,

203:11, 238:18,

238:19, 239:25,

252:24

structure [2] -

202:23, 207:2

structured [1] -


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204:24

structuring [1] -

203:18

struggle [1] - 156:17

stuck [1] - 148:20

studied [1] - 159:19

study [2] - 120:11,

159:8

stuff [4] - 232:24,

240:13, 288:2

style [10] - 216:6,

234:9, 234:10,

258:25, 259:5,

260:13, 282:14,

282:23, 283:6

subject [3] - 127:14,

166:15, 209:15

submit [1] - 148:10

submittal [1] -

117:11

submitted [2] -

118:24, 119:24

subsidiary [2] -

276:6, 276:24

substance [1] -

154:13

substantial [12] -

119:15, 120:14,

125:22, 127:10,

127:25, 128:3,

148:13, 148:15,

149:8, 172:7, 172:8,

172:19

substantive [2] -

151:17, 184:4

substituted [2] -

126:12

succeed [1] - 194:20

succeeded [1] -

219:19

success [3] - 253:20,

284:23, 285:4

successful [3] -

190:25, 192:4, 232:13

successfully [1] -

191:3

sued [2] - 268:24,

276:18

suffered [1] - 181:18

sufficient [3] - 124:6,

141:17, 142:14

suggest [9] - 125:8,

125:21, 128:7,

129:17, 151:6, 165:2,

171:3, 176:17, 202:21

suggested [7] -

129:14, 182:6, 182:7,

188:8, 201:11, 212:9,

272:15

suggesting [1] -

205:4

suggestion [3] -

124:3, 127:8, 191:21

suggestions [1] -

165:6

suggests [1] - 176:1

suit [2] - 275:19,

276:10

summer [1] - 175:3

Suntax [1] - 232:16

supervised [1] -

190:5

supervision [13] -

189:8, 189:15, 190:1,

190:8, 191:1, 192:4,

192:13, 192:16,

197:5, 197:16, 199:4,

200:19, 209:5

supervisor [1] -

250:23

supplant [1] - 121:25

supplemental [1] -

144:3

supply [2] - 144:3,

157:4

support [19] -

125:20, 125:21,

128:1, 192:20,

195:18, 224:8, 230:7,

231:11, 232:2, 233:3,

242:20, 242:21,

244:19, 245:5,

245:17, 255:16,

256:6, 280:10, 296:23

supported [5] -

119:14, 123:22,

127:9, 148:11, 148:12

supporting [1] -

255:17

supports [3] -

125:19, 131:4, 143:16

supposed [5] -

137:21, 137:25,

178:12, 201:24, 238:2

Supreme [3] - 273:8,

298:4, 298:13

surgical [1] - 267:7

surprise [2] - 240:15,

297:12

surprised [1] - 252:7

surrounded [1] -

273:4

Surveyors [2] -

248:17, 249:13

swayed [1] - 202:6

Switzerland [1] -

299:8

sympathetic [1] -

235:5

System [5] - 131:8,

156:21, 156:22,

157:18, 232:17

system [60] - 122:1,

122:8, 122:11, 125:6,

132:24, 132:25,

133:9, 133:16,

133:21, 133:23,

134:1, 134:4, 134:7,

134:10, 134:15,

134:17, 134:21,

135:2, 135:3, 135:7,

135:10, 135:25,

137:14, 138:15,

138:25, 139:7,

139:10, 139:14,

139:18, 139:22,

140:4, 142:1, 143:5,

143:7, 143:9, 143:14,

143:20, 143:24,

144:1, 144:2, 144:7,

146:18, 152:1,

153:15, 154:10,

154:11, 158:2, 158:9,

158:16, 174:25,

175:8, 177:8, 177:13,

198:23, 229:17,

232:17, 232:19,

265:20, 269:25, 286:8

system's [1] - 143:21

systems [2] - 163:16,

228:25

T

table [3] - 266:25,

277:25, 288:14

tables [1] - 265:16

tackled [1] - 266:11

talented [4] - 252:14,

252:16, 298:22,

298:25

TALLAHASSEE [2] -

114:16, 114:23

Tallahassee [2] -

238:1, 300:12

tap [1] - 251:10

Taps [1] - 284:3

target [1] - 273:13

tax [18] - 221:14,

221:17, 223:9,

226:17, 229:17,

230:6, 230:8, 230:15,

231:12, 235:3, 237:1,

237:13, 237:23,

237:24, 245:21,

246:4, 246:10, 298:6

Tax [3] - 215:25,

226:13, 227:1

tax-related [1] -

245:21

taxes [2] - 221:16,

245:25

Taxpayer [4] -

220:17, 220:21,

221:9, 221:16

taxpayer [3] -

221:11, 221:25,

237:13

taxpayer's [1] -

227:6

taxpayers [7] -

217:16, 217:21,

217:22, 217:23,

220:3, 220:20, 242:19

team [9] - 224:13,

232:11, 232:20,

233:2, 250:8, 253:23,

282:1, 282:14, 296:16

teams [1] - 239:15

teasing [1] - 237:9

technical [2] -

151:12, 184:7

technically [2] -

173:10, 203:15

technology [2] -

198:9, 227:1

teeter [1] - 292:3

temperature [1] -

122:1

temporarily [1] -

273:3

temptations [1] -

202:9

tend [1] - 216:23

tendency [1] -

236:24

tenor [1] - 150:13

Teresi [2] - 156:2,

156:11

TERESI [5] - 156:4,

162:2, 162:6, 162:11,

163:1

term [10] - 145:19,

191:1, 193:16, 263:1,

263:3, 287:14,

287:19, 287:20,

288:3, 288:11

terminology [6] -

123:10, 126:24,

129:25, 180:4,

180:10, 182:16

terms [23] - 184:22,

192:4, 208:7, 249:24,

251:4, 259:2, 267:3,

274:23, 282:15,

282:23, 282:24,

283:3, 284:19,

285:10, 285:11,

285:12, 289:11,

290:11, 291:2,

291:25, 292:22,

295:7, 297:19

territory [1] - 172:3

Terrorism [1] - 278:4

test [1] - 184:5

testified [9] - 135:5,

136:20, 139:13,

139:23, 139:25,

140:19, 140:23,

141:7, 143:19

testify [2] - 133:21,

280:23

testifying [1] - 128:4

testimony [10] -

124:16, 127:18,

148:14, 161:6,

161:24, 162:4, 162:5,

162:9, 171:23, 172:13

tests [1] - 207:3

THE [6] - 114:4,

114:16, 115:13,

116:4, 257:2, 300:13

theft [2] - 231:8,

231:21

theme [1] - 219:7

themselves [2] -

232:1, 285:19

therefore [7] -

121:18, 126:8,

128:21, 129:4,

129:22, 182:2, 276:8

thereto [1] - 181:14

they've [4] - 140:7,

150:18, 220:22,

226:23

thinking [4] - 158:25,

202:11, 239:3, 291:3

third [6] - 122:13,

128:9, 193:25, 261:6,

270:14, 292:20

Thomson [1] -

230:20

thoughts [2] -

129:14, 298:19

thousand [4] - 122:6,

131:10, 236:1, 242:10

threatened [1] -

143:21

three [27] - 121:16,

135:8, 135:12, 136:1,

158:10, 159:9,

189:17, 189:22,

192:18, 203:2, 203:7,

204:9, 206:21,

206:25, 208:2,

216:18, 221:21,

227:12, 231:16,

237:16, 237:20,

270:12, 273:8,

292:21, 298:3


27

three-legged [1] -

270:12

three-year [2] -

221:21, 237:20

throughout [3] -

243:12, 280:23, 281:4

Thursday [1] -

210:14

timeframe [6] -

216:14, 216:22,

223:11, 224:4, 225:5

timeframes [1] -

225:3

timely [2] - 223:3,

274:17

timing [1] - 181:20

today [47] - 117:10,

118:6, 118:10,

118:16, 118:20,

120:4, 121:23,

130:24, 132:19,

138:23, 147:14,

151:22, 152:19,

156:14, 157:1,

157:14, 158:18,

159:23, 162:16,

164:18, 165:14,

167:18, 167:23,

168:14, 170:2,

187:14, 210:8, 210:9,

213:2, 213:6, 214:16,

214:22, 215:12,

215:14, 217:5, 219:6,

220:18, 229:5,

243:17, 250:5,

256:12, 264:18,

265:11, 266:9,

278:22, 293:14, 297:5

today's [2] - 214:15,

257:13

toeing [1] - 294:22

together [5] - 121:7,

233:1, 247:17,

253:22, 271:19

tolerating [1] - 296:1

tomorrow [3] -

212:13, 212:16, 217:5

tone [2] - 242:24,

247:25

tonight [1] - 210:18

tons [1] - 227:3

took [6] - 129:11,

140:10, 146:2,

148:19, 157:12, 291:6

tools [5] - 288:13,

292:10, 292:12,

292:18, 294:20

top [7] - 144:14,

181:16, 226:19,

227:2, 230:1, 252:20,

269:9

topic [2] - 171:4,

259:12

total [6] - 126:19,

160:14, 203:5, 203:8,

203:9, 284:18

touch [3] - 119:22,

124:18, 126:14

touched [1] - 294:1

tough [2] - 228:14,

268:14

tougher [1] - 203:19

tourist [1] - 157:6

towards [3] - 158:10,

165:8, 217:6

town [1] - 283:22

TPGW-7 [1] - 158:19

track [1] - 255:14

train [1] - 225:2

transaction [1] -

276:21

transcript [1] - 301:6

transfer [1] - 291:20

transition [1] - 285:6

transitioning [1] -

206:7

translate [1] - 245:10

translates [1] -

249:23

transmission [1] -

118:14

transparently [1] -

163:18

travel [1] - 253:24

traveled [1] - 158:10

Treasury [1] - 271:11

treated [3] - 248:2,

248:3, 249:8

treatment [1] -

197:23

tremendous [1] -

195:21

tremendously [1] -

243:24

trend [1] - 263:5

TRIA [1] - 263:17

trial [3] - 143:2,

277:13, 277:14

tried [2] - 143:3,

232:18

trip [1] - 196:18

tripped [1] - 138:3

tritium [6] - 136:13,

136:14, 136:21,

136:22, 136:23,

159:10

trouble [1] - 192:23

troubling [1] -

157:17

true [4] - 246:23,

268:24, 276:17, 301:6

truly [1] - 241:12

TRUST [1] - 115:14

trust [4] - 193:2,

193:6, 235:9, 235:10

trusted [1] - 193:5

TRUSTEES [1] -

115:13

truth [1] - 275:22

truthfully [1] - 150:5

try [21] - 126:20,

126:21, 132:2, 163:6,

163:7, 165:19,

183:12, 216:9,

216:10, 223:5, 232:1,

232:24, 238:24,

238:25, 239:1,

247:18, 248:6,

260:17, 266:22, 299:3

trying [15] - 118:19,

125:9, 148:11,

167:12, 188:16,

197:12, 199:5, 202:3,

205:7, 230:17,

252:17, 260:19,

260:24, 267:18,

296:11

tUESDAY [1] -

114:14

Turkey [7] - 118:2,

131:8, 141:22,

156:20, 156:21,

157:17, 163:10

turn [4] - 118:3,

137:9, 224:16, 227:7

tutelage [2] - 282:4,

290:14

twice [3] - 209:22,

209:23, 209:24

twist [1] - 140:13

two [34] - 117:10,

119:1, 121:16, 126:2,

127:2, 128:3, 128:4,

129:25, 130:20,

134:8, 153:12,

159:12, 162:2,

173:25, 177:7, 185:9,

195:9, 215:12,

227:12, 237:19,

244:10, 245:23,

253:4, 264:17, 265:4,

268:4, 294:14, 296:5,

298:21, 298:24,

299:7, 299:9

two-fold [1] - 265:4

two-pronged [1] -

268:4

type [2] - 197:21,

251:3

types [1] - 247:19

typical [2] - 269:5,

277:21

U

U.S [1] - 294:24

ultimately [5] -

193:10, 193:15,

195:5, 244:6, 248:7

unafraid [6] - 281:17,

281:18, 289:5, 292:21

unanimous [1] -

256:4

unanimously [1] -

160:10

Unclaimed [1] -

295:9

unconditional [1] -

189:6

under [26] - 123:23,

127:7, 129:12,

131:16, 138:1,

138:11, 141:7,

141:24, 142:10,

144:10, 151:17,

158:20, 184:17,

190:9, 191:23, 197:1,

197:2, 200:18,

202:19, 207:12,

216:1, 217:19,

224:14, 237:5,

254:22, 282:3

under-performance

[1] - 224:14

underachievers [2] -

239:17, 239:20

underage [1] -

194:14

underlying [2] -

118:19, 159:19

underneath [1] -

137:3

understood [2] -

159:19, 202:20

underway [1] -

169:23

undrinkable [1] -

160:7

unequivocal [1] -

291:12

Unfair [1] - 292:13

unfortunate [2] -

268:22, 276:19

unfortunately [1] -

250:24

UNIDENTIFIED [1] -

213:8

unique [2] - 260:10,

264:19

uniquely [1] - 222:19

unit's [1] - 158:12

United [3] - 261:7,

280:23, 281:5

Units [1] - 118:2

unleashed [1] -

286:16

unless [8] - 119:12,

119:19, 120:13,

123:25, 148:9, 172:6,

172:18, 251:18

unprofessional [1] -

286:16

unreasonable [1] -

237:14

up [57] - 122:5,

128:5, 129:20,

132:10, 133:8,

134:14, 135:15,

135:19, 139:10,

139:11, 139:20,

146:13, 150:25,

155:3, 165:25, 169:6,

174:2, 174:3, 174:11,

194:8, 195:1, 195:14,

198:7, 203:20,

205:11, 205:16,

206:1, 207:6, 215:24,

219:23, 231:14,

239:19, 243:17,

248:12, 250:5,

255:13, 255:25,

259:16, 263:25,

265:15, 265:16,

265:24, 266:6, 271:8,

275:15, 276:25,

278:8, 283:8, 283:22,

293:13, 297:11,

297:17, 298:12,

299:19, 299:21,

300:3, 300:7

upgrade [1] - 158:12

upper [2] - 152:12,

173:22

user [1] - 138:7

V

value [3] - 202:7,

270:2, 288:10

valued [1] - 259:16

variables [2] - 290:6

various [3] - 223:21,

225:9, 291:22

Varn [6] - 118:4,

142:18, 144:18,

151:4, 169:5, 169:22

VARN [51] - 118:9,

120:2, 120:5, 120:16,

121:13, 130:9,

130:15, 148:5,


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149:12, 149:15,

164:19, 164:25,

166:3, 166:19,

166:21, 167:13,

169:25, 170:6, 170:8,

170:13, 170:16,

170:20, 173:7,

173:10, 173:17,

173:21, 174:2, 174:5,

174:10, 174:14,

174:17, 174:22,

175:1, 175:6, 175:11,

175:25, 176:8, 180:6,

180:9, 180:18, 181:6,

181:23, 182:11,

182:14, 183:5,

183:15, 183:18,

183:20, 184:13,

185:12, 185:14

vast [1] - 286:1

vehicles [2] - 263:18,

292:18

vendor [1] - 294:25

venues [1] - 163:17

version [1] - 201:11

VETERANS [1] -

115:5

vibrant [1] - 289:21

Vice [1] - 130:25

Vickers [3] - 217:19,

219:18, 225:17

victim [2] - 234:24,

236:22

victimization [1] -

237:7

view [6] - 205:20,

205:23, 235:5,

259:17, 266:18,

269:25

viewed [2] - 226:21,

231:19

views [2] - 259:13

vigilant [2] - 289:22,

294:5

vigor [1] - 289:3

vigorous [6] -

261:15, 267:11,

290:21, 294:17,

295:6, 297:15

Viking [1] - 271:18

violate [2] - 137:16,

137:17

violated [1] - 193:12

violating [2] -

146:18, 150:9

violation [2] -

193:15, 208:1

violations [3] -

151:25, 203:2, 204:8

violent [1] - 197:21

violets [2] - 248:19,

249:1

virtually [1] - 177:10

virtue [1] - 223:4

vision [5] - 216:25,

223:13, 261:3,

263:20, 267:10

visited [1] - 292:7

volition [1] - 284:8

VOLUME [2] - 114:7,

117:2

volumes [1] - 134:5

volunteered [2] -

283:25, 284:1

vortex [1] - 133:19

vote [2] - 211:20,

253:2

voted [3] - 211:12,

211:19, 286:13

W

wagering [1] -

254:19

wages [1] - 231:11

wait [5] - 198:14,

218:12, 240:2,

240:15, 263:8

wake [1] - 216:8

walk [5] - 210:3,

210:18, 270:2,

297:22, 297:24

walking [5] - 232:9,

283:7, 283:8, 295:16

wander [1] - 164:6

wants [2] - 159:24,

191:14

Wars [1] - 142:22

WAS [1] - 300:13

Washington [8] -

258:14, 263:19,

263:23, 264:2, 265:9,

266:16, 269:10,

278:15

watch [3] - 136:15,

138:2, 292:23

watched [1] - 137:9

water [75] - 121:25,

124:8, 124:17, 125:5,

128:20, 129:4, 131:9,

131:19, 131:21,

133:7, 133:11,

133:14, 133:19,

134:3, 134:7, 134:10,

134:14, 134:17,

134:19, 134:22,

134:24, 134:25,

135:4, 135:12,

135:20, 135:22,

136:2, 136:21,

136:22, 136:23,

137:12, 137:14,

137:16, 137:24,

138:7, 138:8, 138:24,

138:25, 139:5, 139:7,

139:13, 139:21,

140:6, 141:9, 141:25,

143:5, 143:7, 144:3,

144:12, 144:13,

146:18, 150:10,

152:12, 153:17,

154:9, 158:17,

158:19, 158:21,

159:18, 159:20,

160:3, 160:6, 160:7,

161:13, 161:16,

161:17, 162:13,

165:16, 169:13,

176:2, 177:20,

177:24, 178:3

Water [14] - 131:15,

131:22, 136:19,

139:24, 140:16,

141:15, 145:12,

153:16, 154:16,

158:4, 159:7, 160:9,

173:9, 173:19

water-use [2] -

124:8, 138:8

Watkins [1] - 115:8

ways [4] - 204:1,

244:13, 263:18,

269:21

weaknesses [1] -

219:3

wealthy [1] - 275:4

website [1] - 238:7

weeds [1] - 250:20

week [2] - 210:23,

214:13

weeks [1] - 204:12

weigh [2] - 128:5,

148:3

welcome [1] - 288:16

well-established [1]

- 142:19

wells [9] - 122:4,

122:24, 122:25,

131:9, 131:10, 137:8,

138:2, 158:25, 159:2

west [11] - 122:7,

134:22, 137:3,

137:15, 138:1,

138:17, 156:21,

158:10, 158:15,

159:11, 160:11

western [1] - 135:2

westward [2] -

131:21, 166:9

WHEREUPON [1] -

300:13

whole [5] - 153:18,

249:20, 278:19,

292:25, 295:21

wholesale [1] - 267:5

Williams [1] - 115:10

Williams' [1] -

297:25

willing [6] - 239:6,

249:3, 253:5, 256:6,

270:8, 288:14

wish [4] - 152:18,

189:13, 192:3, 277:23

wished [1] - 127:16

withdrawal [4] -

152:12, 155:13,

173:18, 174:24

withdrawals [1] -

175:4

withheld [1] - 193:14

WITHOUT [1] - 117:2

withstand [1] -

173:16

witness [7] - 127:19,

127:20, 137:7,

140:19, 280:23,

280:24

witnesses [7] -

133:21, 136:19,

137:7, 139:13, 140:1,

147:20, 150:3

wondered [1] -

297:10

word [5] - 179:19,

232:9, 237:8, 240:13,

272:7

wording [1] - 140:14

words [3] - 153:19,

165:10, 181:12

workers' [6] -

272:24, 273:9, 298:2,

298:6, 298:7, 298:11

works [6] - 134:10,

197:16, 236:6,

243:13, 254:10,

254:11

world [5] - 198:10,

226:18, 261:8, 289:1,

292:23

worrying [1] - 231:6

worse [3] - 160:24,

169:14, 169:15

worth [2] - 292:6,

296:11

worthy [1] - 296:24

write [8] - 147:4,

263:24, 265:6, 268:1,

268:2, 268:7, 271:7,

271:8

write-your-own [3] -


29

263:24, 265:6, 271:7

writing [1] - 267:21

Y

y'all [3] - 199:13,

237:3, 277:6

year [35] - 121:20,

122:19, 139:5, 155:7,

155:8, 162:18, 174:9,

174:13, 178:3,

199:18, 202:12,

203:5, 203:8, 203:9,

203:15, 203:22,

204:11, 204:14,

205:16, 206:6,

209:20, 209:23,

221:21, 237:20,

240:3, 240:6, 245:25,

252:1, 254:3, 267:19,

267:20, 281:15,

296:18

yearly [1] - 139:8

years [55] - 140:18,

140:20, 140:25,

141:1, 141:2, 141:4,

144:2, 150:16,

157:12, 158:3,

158:18, 159:6, 159:8,

159:9, 159:16,

160:12, 160:17,

161:8, 166:12,

192:18, 193:19,

193:25, 194:5,

194:11, 194:12,

194:17, 194:23,

195:9, 198:22,

198:23, 205:19,

205:21, 205:22,

219:22, 220:24,

222:21, 223:1,

226:14, 226:15,

227:16, 227:23,

228:20, 231:16,

237:16, 263:23,

265:21, 269:7, 272:1,

277:17, 287:25,

288:1, 296:5

younger [2] - 194:24,

195:2

yourself [2] - 280:12,

285:2

Z

zero [1] - 126:22

Zingale [2] - 219:18,

238:10

zone [1] - 276:1

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