Post on 30-Dec-2015
SETTING THE SCENE
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/08/27/college.grad.blues.cnn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-_wDwmOQ1U&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMvARy0lBLE&feature=youtu.be
http://www.npr.org/2012/01/16/145179563/do-law-schools-cook-their-employment-numbers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQsPC2n4T6Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05HnXomG88&feature=iv&src_vid=ShliKfsLQo0&annotation_id=annotation_566398
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/11/my-deans-vision-speech.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/opinion/law-school-is-worth-the-money.html?_r=0
Debt and the Pursuit of the Public Interest Among Lawyers
and Law Students
SVHE Conference 2013
Job market
Should students expect a higher than average salary (even accounting for student debt) simply because they decided to study for 3 years when their peers did not?
Scamblogging
• http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/ (see in particular http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2011_08_01_archive.html)
• http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/• http://butidideverythingrightorsoithought.blo
gspot.com/• http://subprimejd.blogspot.com/• … and on and on …
http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/law-school-applicant-numbers.html
From http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2270175
Debt
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/business/law-school-economics-job-market-weakens-tuition-rises.html?ref=davidsegal
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/business/law-school-grants.html?pagewanted=1&src=rechp
Earnings Premium for JDs compared to Bachelors Degree: $53,300 annually.http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2270175But see, response: http://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/another-garbage-study-offering-misleading-statistics-on-the-value-of-a-law-degree/News coverage here: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/debating-yet-again-the-worth-of-law-school/
Teaching – Not Teaching?New York Times front page article: David Segal, What They Don’t Teach Law Students: Lawyering, Nov. 19, 2011
Some Radical and Not-So-Radical Proposals
• Move from 3 year program to 2 year program• Paying Students to Quit Law School (Akhil Reed Amar
& Ian Ayres)• Work Co-ops Integrated Throughout (Northeastern
Law School’s model)• Systematic Reductions in Class Size (common)• School-based Job Incubators • Reducing the Main Campus “Tax” or “Take”
Carnegie Report: Emphasis on Practice and Experiential Education in 2L and 3L Years
Traditional Law Student Model
Abandon Public Interest Commitment Sometime During Law School After Taking On Considerable Debt
Current Crisis Model
Take Whatever Job is Available After Taking On Considerable Debt
Possible Fixes
Assume Tremendous Debt?