Livy and CaesarLivy and Caesar – –

A Comparison A Comparison

Katherine IronsKatherine Irons

Livy OverviewLivy Overview

Rome’s History and Livy’s View of Rome’s History and Livy’s View of RomeRome

Rise to fall of republican systemRise to fall of republican system Moral issue – costs of Moral issue – costs of

imperialismimperialism Can solve problems by looking at Can solve problems by looking at

the pastthe past Ab Urbe ConditaAb Urbe Condita Glorifies RomeGlorifies Rome

Range of TimeRange of Time

Rome got better until 146 BC, Rome got better until 146 BC, decline ends with death of Cicerodecline ends with death of Cicero

Stays away from presentStays away from present Time and memory – “objects”Time and memory – “objects”

StyleStyle

Hard to generalize – changed depending on Hard to generalize – changed depending on subject mattersubject matter

Dramatic episodes common – storiesDramatic episodes common – stories Clarity, rich details, psychological insightClarity, rich details, psychological insight

Morals/ValuesMorals/Values

AccuracyAccuracy

Critics/ReputationCritics/Reputation

Criticized harshly in the Criticized harshly in the 1800s, but not as much 1800s, but not as much nownow

Still did a good job Still did a good job preserving historypreserving history

Real PersonalityReal Personality

Don’t know too much about himDon’t know too much about him Implied in his writingImplied in his writing ArrogantArrogant

Later Influence Later Influence

Vivid descriptions appealed to historiansVivid descriptions appealed to historians Good framework for organizationGood framework for organization Model for humanist historiansModel for humanist historians

Caesar OverviewCaesar Overview

Gallic WarsGallic Wars Overview Overview

GenreGenre

FormatFormat

First 7 = annual campaigns; 8First 7 = annual campaigns; 8 thth by deputy by deputy HirtiusHirtius

Forwarded to RomeForwarded to Rome Used mostly as propagandaUsed mostly as propaganda Speeches often usedSpeeches often used

Later InfluenceLater Influence

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